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Monday, March 7, 2011

KU’s Bill Self named Big 12 Coach of the Year again

Kansas head coach Bill Self and his team watch Mario Little shoots free throws after a technical foul on Oklahoma head coach Jeff Capel during the second half on Saturday, Feb. 26, 2011 at the Lloyd Noble Center in Norman, Okla.

Kansas head coach Bill Self and his team watch Mario Little shoots free throws after a technical foul on Oklahoma head coach Jeff Capel during the second half on Saturday, Feb. 26, 2011 at the Lloyd Noble Center in Norman, Okla.

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Bill Self weekly press conference, March. 7, 2011

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Kansas head coach Bill Self addressed the media at his weekly press conference Monday, March 7, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Bill Self, who has led Kansas University, Illinois and Tulsa to 11 regular-season conference championships in the last 13 years, on Sunday was named Big 12 Coach of the Year by his peers — the league’s coaches.

“It’s been a pretty good run,” said a humble Self, referring, of course, to the league crowns, not his three Big 12 Coach of the Year trophies in eight years at KU as well as one Western Athletic Conference top-coaching honor.

“The biggest thing is, we’ve got good players. It is something etched in our minds, that this is what we’ve got to do. Every year we prepare to be this (champs),” added Self, who has led KU to seven straight conference titles after a runner-up finish in his first year in Lawrence.

“When that season is over, we switch our focus to the most important season, the postseason. We’ve always thought you can’t get ahead of yourself.”

Self — he likes to say “we” rather than “I” — gave a glimpse into his personality when told after Saturday’s victory at Missouri he was a lock to be tapped coach of the year.

“I don’t care about that,” Self said. “Our staff has done a good job. The thing for us, you’ve got to get your team playing its best right now. The fun just starts. The coaching and playing to me is just now starting. We’ve had a good year, no question, but what happens from this point forward is much more important.

“Our guys have played well,” he quickly added of the Jayhawks, who take a 29-2 overall record, 14-2 in the league into Thursday’s first-round Big 12 tournament game against either Oklahoma State or Nebraska (11:30 a.m., Kansas City’s Sprint Center).

“Think about our team. We’ve gone through some stuff, some self-imposed (suspensions to Mario Little, Tyshawn Taylor, Elijah Johnson), some tragic (deaths of Thomas Robinson’s mother, grandmother and grandfather and Danny Manning’s father). We’ve gone through a lot of stuff (including injuries to Tyrel Reed, Josh Selby, Travis Releford), and it doesn’t make any difference, for the most part.”

That’s because KU’s deep roster has come through.

“We’ve had five guys it seems every game that play well enough for us to win, and when you are picking from eight, it’s a lot easier to get five than when you are picking from six,” Self said. “We’ve got one McDonald’s All-American on the team (Selby), and he’s not yet playing like he can play.

“The other guys are good players. They share the ball and know their role and have accepted it, and to be honest with you, I think like it.”

Self said the only issues that have bothered him have been the personal tragedies.

“The guys have become closer. All this stuff, the other stuff hasn’t bothered me beause we put somebody else in,” Self said. “These guys are to the point we put somebody else in, (and) they’ve got to deliver.”

The Jayhawks have delivered big-time in winning yet another conference crown.

“I do think it’s harder in today’s time,” Self said, responding to his mentor Larry Brown’s statement that KU’s feat just might be more impressive than UCLA’s winning 13 in a row from 1967 to ’79.

“Not that long ago, if you recruited great players, you were going to have great years. Now if you recruit a great player, you may have him one, two years max. We’ve been lucky. We’ve had good players. We haven’t had other than Wayne Simien first-team All-Americans. We haven’t had unbelievable guys from a prospect standpoint, NBA standpoint. We’ve had a lot of guys come in highly recruited who have gotten better and over time played themselves in position they could be a good draft pick.

“Not any one challenged for national player-of-the-year status that some other schools have gotten. That’s what I’m kind of most proud of. I feel our guys have gotten better. We’ve been able to keep guys around for the most part for a couple years.”

Self’s performance as a coach has made Brown proud.

“Roy’s body of work was phenomenal,” Brown said of Roy Williams’ 15 ultra-successful seasons. “Being here eight years and seeing his (Self’s) body of work and the way he does it, how humble he is and how he includes everybody and respects everybody, it is one of the great feats.”

Several were mentioned as possible Big 12 coach of the year candidates this season. They include Texas’ Rick Barnes, Kansas State’s Frank Martin, Texas A&M;’s Mark Turgeon, Colorado’s Tad Boyle and Nebraska’s Doc Sadler.

“There are a lot of coaches that have done a great job in our league this season,” Self said. “The primary reason for any postseason award is because you have good players who have performed at a high level.”

Comments

JayhawkRock 8 years, 5 months ago

Thomas Robinson should be included in the players that were injured...Great read though.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 5 months ago

congratulations to coach self, 2 out of the last 3 years is very impressive. bill is one of the most well liked and respected coaches by the players and coaches in the b12 and the ncaa. he has an excellent ability at coaching, especially at adjusting. I proud to have him here & wouldnt want anyone else in his place as head coach...

as selfish as it is, I hope bill stays till hes old and wrinkled like calhoun, boehiem, coach K and the rest of the legends. rock chalk!

  • on a side note... any speculation on danny manning's future? He is a terrific assistant coach and is a draw for recruits, especially bigs... but, will he ever get his own gig? does he have aspirations at taking over after bill someday, or is he assistant coach forever?

KGphoto 8 years, 5 months ago

fantastic question with a difficult answer.

I think Danny will decide down the road.

Alohahawk 8 years, 5 months ago

Danny will be an assistant coach at Kansas for as long as 'he' wants to be. All he need do is apply for any head coaching job that comes open and, IMHO, he would immediately be considered for the position. My hope is that the satisfaction of working at his alma mater over shadows being head coach elsewhere. If Danny did chose to leave KU, it wouldn't be because of the prestige that goes with the title, "head coach". And I doubt that money would ever be a factor. He would only leave KU if he saw a special reason, a special need to coach at another institution. He would need that reason for him to leave behind both the love he has for KU, and that he feels from the fans. Unlike when Roy decided to leave, I know the fans would support Danny's decision 100%.

Add my congratulations to Coach Self for a job well done, in a season filled with more adversity than one can have ever imagined. Rock Chalk to Coach Self, his entire staff, and to the team for an exceptional season. Can't wait for the next installment, the Big 12 Tournement, to continue the next leg of the journey.

Alohahawk 8 years, 5 months ago

Oops, forgot. One game at a time, Hawks.

KU_FanSince75 8 years, 5 months ago

Aloha---great post and I totally agree on Danny leaving for another institution. I do hope Self and Manning stay for a long time. Looking forward to Thursday!

Kye Clark 8 years, 5 months ago

I think we'll find out a lot more when his son is finished with high school. If I'm not mistaken his son is a senior, and I know it has been said before that Danny really has had no interest in moving his family until Evan has gone off to college himself. As for taking over for Self someday...Danny isn't but a couple years younger than Self, so a lot would depend on how long Self plans on coaching. And something to consider is the question of whether KU would be willing to hand over the reigns to him if he has not had any head coaching experience. I know they did that with Roy, but Bill Self has advanced the program even further and I'm not sure they would be willing to roll the dice without that experience of running his own program, showing he could handle recruiting responsibilities, develop more than just bigs, etc.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 5 months ago

I know that we've got a new chancellor, a new AD, heck a whole new athletic department for that matter... but the guys behind the scenes at KU Athletics (the donors, etc.) already know Danny Manning well enough to know if he'll make a good head coach at KU. The interview process has been going on since he took over as Director of Baketball Operations or whatever job he had here before he even was Assistant Coach.

But the possibility that they've let him in on their little secret is slim to none. Also, don't read much into the fact that they've kept him around for a number of years (certainly because of what he's said regarding his family). He's a great assistant coach. But his success as an assistant shows absolutely nothing publicly about how he'd perform as our Head Coach. His locker room demeanor, his around the office demeanor, how he answers questions, addresses the department, the media, whoever... That's what people are looking at when considering Danny's head coaching potential. My gut feeling is that they're gonna give him a long look one day. Hopefully Bill Self stays around for a very long time though.

KGphoto 8 years, 5 months ago

"...Evan has gone off to college himself." Hmmm. No KU for Evan?

Kye Clark 8 years, 5 months ago

I don't know. Maybe. His daughter is on the volleyball team. I just know Danny wasn't going to move his family and put his son in a different high school for his senior year. I know his son plays basketball, but have heard nothing on if he plans to play in college, if he would be going to a mid-major to play more, attend KU as a walk-on, etc.

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Danny Manning is Kansas basketball. He has seen the world. He has a bank account to last forever. He is as important to this program as anyone else. Some people love the assistant coach gig. If there was anyone who is perfect for the job Danny Manning has right now, it's Danny Manning.

I would never want him to feel like he couldn't take a head coaching job if he wanted. But I do see a man right now who is in the perfect spot for a happy life, and that's what it's really about. Especially when he's impacting our program so much on a daily basis.

He is a legend here. I can tell you this; he will never see more genuine love if he goes anywhere else.

Danny Manning is as Jayhawk as they come.

The amount of appreciation we have for him cannot be put in words...

This is his home.

Rock Chalk Danny Manning

Kye Clark 8 years, 5 months ago

I agree with everything you said. The only thing is that athletes are competitive, and maybe Danny has that fire to see for himself what he could accomplish as a head coach. Think about Pete Carroll. He had it about as good as it gets at USC. But he's a competitor, and wanted to try his hand in the NFL again. For some people it's not about money, or a comfortable happy life. They have that ambitious drive to keep taking the next step. I don't know whether that's anything Danny Manning wants for himself or not. And don't mistake what I'm saying; I'm not saying that should Danny choose to remain an assistant that it means he is not competitive. I have no doubt he is competitive. Selfishly I want to see him stay. But I wouldn't begrudge him if he wanted to step out and see what kind of a head coach he could be.

lionhawkward 8 years, 5 months ago

Great post Danny has all the intangibles to be a coach and lawrence is home. I hope we don't forget the loss that the Mannings and JAYHAWKS had with the passing of Ed. He was a man and father who lead by example. He raised great kids and Danny carries those qualities ,if he wants to be a head coach look out! If you had the opportunity to spend time with them you understand the help coach Self had in earning a much deserved coach of the year. Sorry for your loss Danny, and Dawn much love from the lionhawk family!!!!

jayhawktalk 8 years, 5 months ago

Congrats, Coach Self.

...Rick Barnes' therapist just got a one year extension.

Alohahawk 8 years, 5 months ago

LOL I love it! How many Mc All Americans does Barnes have this year? And he still didn't win the trophy, again!!!

Maybe it's not a barn full of longhorns, but a hen house with roosters that can't crow.

redlegger 8 years, 5 months ago

I am assuming this remark is to emphasis just how much KU Nation loves and appreciates having Bill Self as our Head Coach.

However, given the great contributions and successes that Roy Williams had during his 15 years at KU - saying "Roy who?" would seem to also be saying "KU who?" - don't you think?

Please give Roy Williams the respect and admiration that he deserves, as he is an important part of KU's long and proud history.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

I actually think that comment IS giving respect to Roy.

It implies what we all felt when he left: nervousness, apprehension, a feeling that -- after JUST losing the national championship game -- we may not be able to sustain the powerhouse that he had lifted the program to. However, as it turns out, we got one of the best coaches in the country who has somehow actually been able to surpass an extremely high level of success.

So, I think that comment doesn't diminish Roy, but says (in only two words) that we were given a great 15 year run with Roy, yet are lucky enough to reach even more tremendous heights in the time since. It emphasizes that our apprehension was unnecessary and silly: Bill Self is perfect for our program.

That, however, is just how I read what I think that comment implies. I could, obviously, be wrong with cobweb's intentions.

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 5 months ago

Better question is

Roy what?

As in what did he accomplish here. Had some good seasons which included some of the most epic fails in ku history. Would not even try to recruit the tough northeastern part of the country. And will go down being the one who couldn't get it done.

Jayhawk444 8 years, 5 months ago

I can't totally agree. Four final fours, including two appearances in the title game is something to be proud of I'd say

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 5 months ago

What did he accomplish here? Nothing at all, other than 4 final fours, the winningest program of the '90s, and some of the greatest teams in Kansas history. Just a few minor accomplishments.

redlegger 8 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Coach Self - great Person and great Coach!

F.O.E.

Bruce Brock 8 years, 5 months ago

Regarding Danny Manning: I bet Danny Manning will stay at least two more years, as his daughter Taylor is a sophomore on the volleyball team. I'm guessing he doesn't miss many of her games, unless he's on the road recruiting. Does he have any other kids likely to play a sport for KU?

As for Roy Williams, he took a national championship program, on probation no less, and locked it in at a higher level. Recall that in the Larry Brown era, following the decline of the late Ted Owens era, just making it to the NCAA tournament was cause for excitement. The Jayhawks were the winningest team of the 1990s. The early exits from the tournament were disappointments only relative to the tremendous successes accomplished throughout the seasons.

Winning a men's NCAA basketball national championship is the most difficult acheivement in team sports, collegiate or professional. No other sport requires six consecutive wins against a field drawn from more than 300 teams. The Bucknells/Bradleys/Northern Iowas/Rhode Islands/Arizona States/etc. in any given tournament game are always very good teams.

Appreciate the successes for what they are.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 5 months ago

great comment. Especially concerning the rigors of the NCAA tourney.

doctorWho 8 years, 5 months ago

Amen. The NCAA tournament is a great spectacle in sports, but it is hardly the best way in which to determine a basketball champion (though it beats the H out of NCAA football in that respect). KU had teams during the HCRW era that overachieved (3-seed Randall-NBA-dud and company in '91) as well as underachieved (1-seed Pierce-NBA-stud and company in 1997).

100 8 years, 5 months ago

We don't win the 1988 or 2008 national championships without Danny Manning. If we win it this year in 2011, i can guarantee you we dont win it without Danny Manning. This is his home. We love him.

We need him on staff as long as possible; he's doubled the number of NCAA championships Phog Allen helped us acquire. If we win the title this year, Danny will be partially responsible for three national championships, equal to Phog including not only his 1952 NCAA champion team, but also his dominant teams Phog had in 1922 & 1923.

Translation: if we win it this year, it's Danny Manning 3. Phog Allen 3..... Kansas Jayhawks 6.

Danny Manning is as Jayhawk as they come.

Thank you Danny Manning & Phog Allen....

And thank you Doctor Naismith for bringing them here....

Jocelyn Kennedy 8 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Coach Self - So very proud to have you as our leader!!! Thank you.

jcw3691 8 years, 5 months ago

GO VOTE FOR TRAVIS RELEFORD FOR DUNK OF THE YEAR ON FACEBOOK. YOU CAN VOTE ONCE A DAY UNTIL APRIL 1ST.

David Brown 8 years, 5 months ago

Agreed JHawk252. Just look at our last three coaches: Larry Brown, Roy Williams, Bill Self. Wow! Is that the gold standard or what? How lucky is KU basketball and its fans, to have those coaches? Yes, we have history, have a reputation, a super fan base and a wonderful fieldhouse to play in. But just repeating those three names over again, it's unbelievable. Can anyone name another college that had three consecutive basketball coaches with that pedigree? Those reputations? We are so fortunate. We were never cursed with a Quinn-ster!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Ted Owens was a good coach too.....he deserves to be on your list.

Danny Hernandez 8 years, 5 months ago

If Coach Self coaches as long as Coach K, he'll be the all time coach in wins. He's averaging almost 30 wins a year the past 3 years...In another 10-12 years, Coach Self could add another 350 more wins to his win total. That's over 900 total wins

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

Averaging 30+ wins for 10-12 (more) years straight is setting expectations a tad high.

i understand your point, but enjoy the amazing success that we have. No need to set yourself up for disappointment when what we are experiencing today is so phenomenal.

DocBean 8 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Coach Self, and all the assistants and players. It's been a great season, keep it up!

AsadZ 8 years, 5 months ago

I did not realize that Larry Brown was atending the KU-MU game. He seems to be spending a lot of time with HCBS and the team lately. I am not sure if there is anything going on behind the scenes here. Hopefully he can give some good tips to the team on getting ready for the Big Dance.

kcglowboy 8 years, 5 months ago

Larry Brown is biding his time until another coaching opportunity comes knocking. In the meantime, he spends time with people he's close to and in places that make him feel at home. Since his good friend Bill Self loves picking his brain, I would guess that gives Coach Brown the next best feeling to actually being on the sideline.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

"Several were mentioned as possible Big 12 coach of the year candidates this season. They include Texas’ Rick Barnes, Kansas State’s Frank Martin, Texas A&M’s Mark Turgeon, Colorado’s Tad Boyle and Nebraska’s Doc Sadler."

Two things:

1) That (with the inclusion of Coach Self) is HALF of the coaches in the league. Might as well just toss the other 6 in there as well, they were technically in the running too, right? Perhaps Barnes' name was included because he slipped in from the "Coach of the Epic Collapse of the Year Award"? Maybe a copy and paste error when trying to remove Frank Martin from it....

2) Maybe Frank Martin should have been nominated for the "Coach of Half the Year Award." I don't know that his name should be apart of this when they had to scratch and claw just to be a disappointment instead of an epic failure. But, hey, it only took the real threat of Martin being canned to get them to play. Maybe KSU's Athletic Director should hang that sword of Damocles over the desk in Martin's office every season. They might just make the Final Four.

But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Kye Clark 8 years, 5 months ago

+1

The people advocating Martin for COY always have to have these crazy roundabout arguments of getting there. "Well he said he didn't think his team was that good, so who cares if they were picked to win the league?"

kubiggestfan 8 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Coach Self...I am sure that you will be around for a long time. The KU Men's program appreciates you and I appreciate how fair you are in punishment and reward with your players. You are making them better young men for sure. Every young man should be proud to play for you. Class Act for sure. KUDOS !!!

Selbyville 8 years, 5 months ago

The picture from the article was taken as I was yelling instructions to do the set for Reed's shot

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

Awesome. Did Reed run up in the stands to get it from you? Is that why he's not in the pic?

kcglowboy 8 years, 5 months ago

If Colorado hadn't blown the game in Ames, and CU ended at 9-7 with a great shot at the NCAA, I would have supported Tad Boyle for Coach of the Year. That team has improved so much so quickly that Coors Events Center sold our three or four times this year. Frankly, I would say that's a greater accomplishment than Mangino getting KU to the Orange Bowl (while averaging 48,000 people per game). Colorado was that bad for a long, long time and NOBODY in that state cared. That he made people in that state care is as great an accomplishment as the (almost) winning record.

Kye Clark 8 years, 5 months ago

I would agree that Tad has done a great job. The thing I would point out is that the team was already trending upwards with Bdzelik. Two years ago they were 9-22, 1-15 in the Big 12. Then the previous regime brings in Burks and last year they improved to 15-16, 6-10 in the Big 12. So that's a 6 game overall, 5 game in-conference improvement. Enter Tad. He obviously has not brought in any of these players. Colorado is 19-12, 8-8 in league. That's a 4 game overall, 2 game in-conference improvement. It's not really improbably to think that the team might very well have had the same improvement under Bdzelik.

Dan Harris 8 years, 5 months ago

Look out Kentucky,Mizzu,KSU(pick one) TROLL below!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Kansas fans make me laugh.....you actually think KU can win a national title this year? Uh no.....not a chance.

I admit KU is a good team. But it takes more than that in the tournment. It takes a team like you had in 2008. This team aint got that in either talent or toughness. NOPE!

Does KU have a chance? Sure.....you never know......but I would put it at less than 20%.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

"....but I would put it at less than 20%."

Pretty gutsy prediction to take... except that currently Ohio State is the only other team with Vegas odds higher than 20%... OSU currently is at 33% (Duke, btw, is now at 16.7%).

If you're odds to win a single elimination 68-team tournament are above 20%, you are getting very, very good odds.

But thanks for trolling!!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

LAJayhawk.....pls check your research and you may want to reverify your numbers.Further....I see you don't really argue my point. You know as well as I that you don't have much of a chance.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 5 months ago

It's simple betting odds. And, in fact, I'm actually INFLATING the odds as I am not taking into account bookies profit margin that is figured into a betting line, but, instead, just converting it to actual probability.

Ohio State is 3 to 1, which (without profit margin) would mean they have a 33.3% chance of winning. Of course, it's lower than that, because Vegas inserts a profit margin into it in order to make money on all bets.

KU 4-1 (less than 25%) Duke 6-1 (less than 16%) Pitt 7-1 (less than 14%) UNC 10-1 (less than 10%)

That's the top 5.

http://props.scoresandodds.com/section_display.cfm?event=2011%20Mens%20NCAA%20Basketball%20Tournament%20%2D%20Houston%20TX%20%2D%20Odds%20to%20Win&sporttype=525&startdate=3/7/2011

We may win. We may not. You, on the other hand, will still be a loser who anonymously trolls other teams' fan boards looking for reactions, only making him or herself look stupid in doing so. A truly sad existence.

But I see that you won't even understand my point.

Happy trolling.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

LAJayhawk-I don't understand. I'm just a troll.

LA? Is that for Los Angeles? Are you a Liberal on top of being a KU fan? YIKES!!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Yes....a sad existence. But I have obviously annoyed you.....so at least that's something.And as for that reaction you said I wanted....well....go that bigtime!!!.....from you of all places!!! So thanks for that!! PRICELESS.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 5 months ago

"Yes....a sad existence. But I have obviously annoyed you.....so at least that's something."

Good, so we're all in agreement that you're a troll.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

LAJayhawk and other KU fans.....Well well....I guess your precious recruit didn't quite live up to all your expectations,eh? Can you say "oops"? Selby is the bright,shiny car you bought that was great for the first 100 miles and then broke down.

Selby needs to come back next year and press the "reset" button. He is talented.....but not ready for the NBA. He will be goo, though......if he returns......which I think he will.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

KU's season essentially ended on 2/14/11 vs K-State. It was there that the lack of point guard showed the fatal flaw in this team. I will say Elijua Johnson makes the team offense flow better.....but I doubt he has the experience for what will be needed in the tournement.

Johnson will be great next year.....and if twins and Robinson come back.....the team will be good again. This year? It's over.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

KU's official end of season will likely be the 3rd round game. It is here that the mortal flaws of the team will be exposed. This team has ZERO chance of a national title. ZERO.

However....next year they will have a chance with an improved Selby and Johnson at point. Plus you throw in the toughness of Robinson and maybe the twins?? Now that I have to admit will be a team that could go all the way.

This year? No way.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

Yes just like a mid-major team like butler had no chance of being in the national championship game. Or how George Mason would never beat uconn to go to the final four back a couple of years. No such thing as a zero chance. Name all the teams that are so much better at having a chance to win it all? I can think of only one team that has a complete team. But the Guard play for KU actually has been good this year. One game doesn't make or break a season.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90-oh you poor,dillusional KU fan. It's over, buddy. You know it and I know it. Again,another response that doesn't reall refute my main point.Look at next year for your chance.....I really think you do in 2012.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

My whole point is you can't say zero percent chance. You can say you dont believe they will win but a zero percent chance is trying to make a number that doesnt exist a fact. I guess reading isn't taught in your neck of the woods.

Dan Harris 8 years, 5 months ago

Wow from less then 20% to ZERO thats ZERO chance all in just 32 minutes! You can't even keep up with all the idiotic crap your throwing out there can you troll!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90 is destined to be crying in his beer in March after yet another early exit by KU. Why do you KU fans have such high expectations? Do you know the odds,regardless of any teams talent, are so against a team winning....and yet you all seem to think KU will win every year. and what do you have......an paltry 3 titles....out of about 60 years???? That's so wonderful? No....not really. You fans like to make KU into something they certainly are not. They are a good team with a adecent history of winning......but they aint no UCLA, Duke, or UNC. Not!

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

Yes please tell me where I said they we will win every year. Or even that we will win this year? Only a fool would put up those schools and not put up Kentucky. Yes please share you wisdom of the futute. Who will win it all? By how much? How will Kansas lose to?

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90 will rue the day he expected his Jayhawks to achieve anything slightly higher than mediocre. Want to see a truly great team? Take a look at UCLA in the 60's and 70's. Now that was a dynasty.

KU? Well.....they are KU. Not exactly a dynasty there.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

Yes a feat achieved by one team. Really not understanding where you are getting at.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90 seems a decent enough fellow. Yet this is why I worry about him. His naive heart and mind have their sights set on KU's national title. Oh....I can almost hear his heart breaking in early March as the opposing team rushes to midcourt to celebrate their amazing win(ie:N.Iowa,ie:Bucknell,ie:Bradley,ie:Rhode Island...and on and on).

And....poor Hawk 90.....is left dazed and confused yet again. "Why"?....the poor kid asks himself ."Why"? Yes....."why" indeed.

will anybody have the guts to tell Hawk90 truth? That his team is ....well...kinda just mediocre???

Well....I do. But I must leave Hawk90 to his doomed fate as a KU fan(again).

It's over.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

Please back up your claim by showing me where I ever stated that we will win it all?

FLJHK 8 years, 5 months ago

theend: What are the odds for your team this year, and what team might that be?

Hawk90: not to mention other "zero"chances like N.C. State > Houston, or Villanove > Georgetown, or 6th seed Kansas winning it all in '88.

Obviously in a single elimination tournament a lot of teams have a chance, and particularly this year where there's no obviously superior team. Nonetheless, Ohio State deserves to be the "favorite," and Kansas deserves to be considered as a secondary favorite.

I actually like our chances quite a lot. This team has improved considerably over the course of the season and Eli's performance since becoming the starting point guard has been quite impressive.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

Yes just like a mid-major team like butler had no chance of being in the national championship game. Or how George Mason would never beat uconn to go to the final four back a couple of years. No such thing as a zero chance. Name all the teams that are so much better at having a chance to win it all? I can think of only one team that has a complete team. But the Guard play for KU actually has been good this year. One game doesn't make or break a season.

Only theend would actually think that post says thatIi stated that we will win it all and when it all every year. My God, I pray that you don't breed...

jayhawker_97 8 years, 5 months ago

as a jayhawk fan, i couldn't be prouder!! this is how a good bball team/university is supposed to be!! rich in tradition, history, winning #s, excellent coaching staff, players!! and... lots of good supporters/fans base!!

rock chalk!!

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

theend- do you have a formal education? Did you get picked on? Did your girlfriend or boyfriend or maybe boygirlfriend leave you? Im sorry buddy.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Oh....Hawk90.....I'm afraid it's too late. Yet even at this wee hour you still hold out hope. So naive....so awe-struck that you can't see the truth. And what is the truth, friend? Well....the truth is that the emperor has no clothes.

Somebody should say something.....but they won't. Not until a team like Towson State runs triumphantly off the court in glee at the Goliath they have slain.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

theend- I pray everynight that if you breed, that those children will never meet you. You speak but with no thought behind, no argument, you speak just to speak. Do you like hearing yourself?

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90's comments are becoming more enraged and bitter as my posts are clearly messing with his head. Why the anger, you ask. Well, easy. Because he knows they are true. Oh sure .....he wants to defend his team from my insults. But his true bitterness comes from the fact of knowing that my posts are anything but insults. What are they? The truth. KU is a slightly better than average team.....and Hawk90 knows it's true.

Valient is your effort at defending this mediocre team. But in the end" Pointless. KU loses in 3 rd round. It's over.

hawk_of_ages 8 years, 5 months ago

Ha ha. Yes, 28-2 is "slightly better than average."

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

theend- that is so cute. you think im angry. I was just asking a question. The only truth I know about KU this year is that they are BIG 12 champs once again. I would explain more but I don't want you to be confused. Its okay buddy, not angry. Don't get angry at people that have no face.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk 90 is the bright-eyed,optimistic farm boy that wanted to try his luck in the big city. But his luck changed when he arrived in the metropolis. The city chewed him up and spit him out. He went back to the pastures and lived out a quiet,rural life. Far away from the bright lights.

Kind of like KU every year in the tournament.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 5 months ago

theend- what farmtown did I grow up in?

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Hawk90.....could you guess that I'm a Mizzou fan?

Well.....what do you expect? All we really have are insults.......obviously KU is by far the better team. Heck....we havent even been to a Final 4.....so I was just having a bit of fun.

At 29-2 I cant really say much about KU. A great record. But I still not sure they can win it all. Cut out the turnovers....and I say a good chance.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

FLJHK-You seem quite a busybody.....eavesdropping on my rants.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

What tiny,unranked school will knock out Kansas this year? Anybody want to guess?I wish March Madness included some high school teams so they could be the next in a long line to send Kansas home.

Sure you KU fans want that #1 seed? Sure about that? Because this year could be that special moment when a #16 beats the #1......oh......do dreams come true???? If only that happenned to KU!!!!!!.......I could find true happiness and meaning in life.

I'm think 2011 could be that year......and Kansas could be that team.

Now.....who's with me? You know you're scared and thinking the same thing. So come on now and don't be shy!!! Lets hear from you!!!

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Nice to have some haters. I can guarantee you are not a Missouri fan.

Thanks for giving our players some billboard material from the other 67 teams in the tourney!!!!!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

I am a Rhode Island,Bucknel,Bradley and Northern Iowa fan.

Oh, and Southern Illinois actually did beat you a few years back in every way except the score.

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Very impressed with your knowledge of our epic losses! Believe me, we know them very well.... And you're right about Southern Illionois. Great defensive team. On the scoreboard we beat them. Barely....

I find it quite interesting you & a few others from other universities spend so much time here. There is no doubt you are in no way shape or form a Missouri fan. We like you too much already.

Keep on hatin those bad mean Jayhawks, lol!

Thanks again for staying so up on the Jayhawks, the team you care nothing about & who you think should be in the NIT every year since 1898.... Oh and man, wouldn't it be nice if poor KU could get a sellout st Allen Fieldhouse?

It's like Kansas Basketball doesn't really exist, it's so sad.

I mean, at least maybe KU could string some wins together....

Since you know so much about KU, don't you think it's sad we are nearly last on the all time win list?

Poor KU.... Poor Jayhawks....

Which makes me think.... If you really thought all these things, you may as well be that guy that attacks an old lady & steals her cane walking across the street.

Again... Obvious you are not a Mizzou fan, so don't try to set them up, we know when Mizzou fans are here.

But the longer you stay... The more you'll tend to see yourselves memorizing, much like we do... Every single NCAA tournament for the rest of your life that Kansas is involved in....

And guess what?

A few of those, like '52, '88 & 2008 won't end up like a Bucknell, Bradley, UNI ending...

And I suspect... That's why you're here...

Now....

If any KU fan has ever been mean to you in any way shape or form, let me be the first to apologize for him or her on behalf of Jayhawk nation.

Once you get to know the majority of the fans...

You'll come to see what Naismith really meant for this game...

It is about learning to play as a team, something bigger than yourself.

Call it what you will... For Naismith it was God... For others it's simply the way of the Universe... The way of humanity... Mother nature... We are meant to work together & be happy...

The more you continue to watch us (good job by the way), the more you'll find yourself to become part of this spirit...

Because deep in our hearts, we're all Jayhawks... We all are equal. Throughout life, we all will pass the ball, in one way or another...

Tonight, I pass this to you... Our new friend.

Enjoy the tournament.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Well said, 100.....well said. By the way.....did I ever say I was NOT a Kansas fan????

Jared Grillot 8 years, 5 months ago

Ah yes, the ever popular "You KU fans think so highly of yourselves", "Snob Hill", "So arrogant", blah, blah, blah. Tell me something that hurts my feelings. Towering pride? Absolutely. Overinflated opinion of my team? You bet. I think we're better than everyone else, even when we're not? Every bloody year. I have completely deluded myself into thinking that there is no better place to coach, no better place to go to school, no better place to play, than the University of Kansas, and I couldn't be happier. Allen Field House is like Heaven on Earth, and sad tears of Tiggers and Purple Kittens are sweet like candy, especially since I get to taste them every year. Being a Jayhawk on the bench is better than starting for any other team. We want Whatley.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

PhogAdvisory 8 years, 5 months ago

+5

Overconfident KU fan story: Two years ago, after we won the NC and lost pretty much our entire team to graduation/the NBA, I was talking with some other basketball fans about how the next year might be pretty rough.

"Yeah," I said, "it's probably gonna be scary early on. But you know what? Even with a bunch of freshman, Bill Self will still find a way to win the Big 12 conference. He always does."

Sometimes pride is arrogance. And sometimes it's just being right.

(Though really, JG, you shouldn't feed the trolls. It gives them delusions of significance.)

Jared Grillot 8 years, 5 months ago

Trolls? What trolls? I just like talking about myself!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

JGfromPK........why you rogue! You scoundrel!

How dare you, sir!

What is this odd Kansas pride????

You do realize KU only has 3 national titles.....not 5. Those ancient Helms titles don't count, buddy boy. No sir, ignore those.

Jared Grillot 8 years, 5 months ago

Whoops... missed that one. I was too busy trying to figure out how to fit "Back to back to back to back to back to back to back Champions" on a t-shirt. Need to figure it out soon, because my original "Back to back" shirt is so old it is wearing out. I was thinking a spiral starting at the right shoulder...

But, I'm sure Coach Calimari is right... conference titles aren't important, right?

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Do you have any idea how loaded those two teams were? If they weren't loaded, KU would have only been awarded the trophy in 1923 dipsh$t.

It's as good as any of Wooden's trophies. He had to be put in a tournament & win 3 games. We had to go undefeated through 16 games in 1923.

It was the best system they had. It's as good as the national championship football trophies they gave for 90 years before they finally came up with a BCS championship game... Guess what?

Those were voted for too!!!!!!

Oh!!!!

My!!!!!

God!!!!!!

Seriously... You have an argument if those teams sucked & we were just awarded the trophy one year. But those years we were loaded!!!! And it was back to back for double the confirmation brother!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

You do realize KU only has 3 national titles.....not 5. Those ancient Helms titles don't count, buddy boy. No sir, ignore those.

gratefultyler 8 years, 5 months ago

You do realize one only has to post the exact same quote 1 time.....not 2. Those double-posts for emphasis don't count, buddy boy. No sir, ignore those

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Well played, sir.......well played indeed.

Dan Harris 8 years, 5 months ago

3 titles or 5 are still more then the pathetic school that you flunked out of!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Oh....jhawkdan! What anger......looks like I got what I wanted.

PRICELESS!!! Thanks for making my day!

By the way.....the 2008 title? Quite the easy path in that one......that should be a half championship.

Tyler Bruce 8 years, 5 months ago

It was the first (and only) Final Four to produce all 4 #1 seeds... are you stupid?

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Stupid is as stupid does, tbruceWU.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Jhawkdan seems to have some problems with focus......I really have him agitated!!

Awesome!!

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Jhawkdan.....Please!!! Type something witty and clever....please!!!!

You're making my night.....this is awesome!!!!

Selbyville 8 years, 5 months ago

Isn't there a sybian you should be riding

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Theend....

How to get a girlfriend:

  1. Get off the computer.
  2. Wipe your as's
  3. Put some granola in your armpits
  4. Get a job
  5. Get your own place
  6. Get out of your mom's walk in closet that doesn't count.

Dan Harris 8 years, 5 months ago

Wow from less then 20% to ZERO that's ZERO chance all in just 32 minutes! You can't even keep up with all the idiotic crap your throwing out there can you troll! Your the one that's losing your focus, mine is just fine. Now I will focus on something more worth my time then responding to your foolish posts.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Oh well done Jhawkdan....what a response!

First.....you already posted the first 2 sentences quite a while back.....no need to repeat.

Second.....what is it with your grammar, sir. "Your"???? Actually, Dan.....you need to use the apostophe there....it's "you're" (ie-you are), not "your"........

'Your" denotes possesion.

You might want a refund of your tuition.......and what was it you mentioned about me flunking out of the school I went to?

chriz 8 years, 5 months ago

"For Kansas to do what they've done, seven consecutive years, is remarkable," Martin said. "It's a credit to Bill Self. It's a credit to his assistants, to their recruiting, their consistency in handling young men, making them perform, and getting people to coexist and put their egos aside and play and compete. That's hard to do one year. But to do it seven years in a row is just amazing."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/03/07/kansas.bill.self.ap/index.html#ixzz1FyUXApMD

100 8 years, 5 months ago

Nice Chriz....

I'd say Martin has said a couple nice things recently, including helping Jayla...

Makes me wonder why he won't just clear Kelly's name since he's playing him. I don't get that at all. Really makes Kelly look bad, especially if he's innocent.

FLJHK 8 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps if I was a Mizzou grad and fan, I too might find it necessary to go to a KU site to find stimulus. Fortunately, that is not the case.

Kansas fans experience both euphoria and heartbreak in the NCAA tourney. If you are not a part of that, you cannot understand. The dissapointments are many, and well-documented. Personally, I've never totally gotten over the '97 loss to eventual champion Arizona, because that KU squad was as good of a college basketball team as I've ever seen. The 2003 loss to Syracuse might be second. But the beauty and curse of a single elimination basketball tournament is that it doesn't always reward the country's best team, only its tournament champion. Kansas achieved that in 1988 even though it was probably not the best team. In 2008, the best, by a very narrow margin, was rewarded.

But among the many, many blessings of being a Kansas basketball fan, is that we are ALWAYS a part of the equation, ALWAYS a part of the discussion. Over the past 20+ years only (yuk) Duke can claim that distinction. And given further historical dimensions, none truly rise to the level of Kansas.

So theend, I actually hope Mizzou becomes a stronger program, as I like Coach Anderson and would appreciate an actual rivalry. Please check back in with us when and if Mizzou becomes relevant on a consistent bases.

In the meantime, Rock Chalk and we understand your envy.

FLJHK 8 years, 5 months ago

So theend, I actually hope Mizzou becomes a stronger program, as I like Coach Anderson and would appreciate an actual rivalry. Please check back in with us when and if Mizzou becomes relevant on a consistent basis.

(This section cut from prior post).

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

I agree with you,FLJHK. Mu cant compare to the KU tradition....no way. Somday hopefully we will be more competitive.....but even with that we will never have the history and tradition of Kansas.

Well said,sir.....you do Kansas proud.

Michael Leiker 8 years, 5 months ago

It's probably just me, but it seems plainly obvious that HCBS has sold his soul to the devil. You're just not supposed to do this in modern college athletics.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Uh......you might want to explain a bit further why you feel that way......Bill Self is a great coach and a class act through and through.

I'm not sure where you're coming from.

FLJHK 8 years, 5 months ago

+1

Ralster: thanks for getting us back on point. I always enjoy your posts.

theend 8 years, 5 months ago

Ralster,

where were you earlier?....we could have had some exchanges! Now I'm calling it a night. Maybe I will check back in with yall another time.

The End

PhogAdvisory 8 years, 5 months ago

Awwww, snap!

You got a nice rhythm going there at the end, Ralster. I feel like this is turning into a freestyle rap battle.

Oh, and I rescind my earlier comment about not feeding the trolls. This one's funny. Let's keep him around for entertainment. Like a court jester. Or a rodeo clown.

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