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Friday, June 24, 2011

Memphis Grizzlies draft Josh Selby with 49th pick in NBA Draft

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The Memphis Grizzlies took a shot at filling one of their needs in Thursday’s NBA Draft — a reserve guard.

The Grizzlies selected Josh Selby out of Kansas with the 49th pick — their only pick of the night.

Selby, a 6-foot-2, 183-pound scorer was a touted recruit out of high school when he averaged 32 points and seven assists for Lake Clifton High in Baltimore in 2009-10. But he fell down in the draft with a poor freshman season at Kansas, where he was suspended for the first nine games by the NCAA for accepting impermissible benefits in high school.

In addition to the suspension, Selby was hampered in the latter part of the season with a stress fracture to his foot.

He finished his only season at Kansas averaging 7.9 and 2.2 assists.

Memphis’ first-round pick in the draft — the 20th overall — was traded to the Utah Jazz in 2010 for Ronnie Brewer, leaving Memphis with only a second-round slot in a draft considered by some to be weaker than previous years.

Utah eventually sent the pick to Minnesota.

The draft night atmosphere was completely different for the Grizzlies. For several years, Memphis was one of the woeful teams in the league, leaving them with a seat on the stage for the league’s lottery show.

But the Grizzlies enjoyed their best season in franchise history. Seeded eighth in the Western Conference, Memphis not only won its first playoff game in team history, they also dispatched the top-seeded San Antonio Spurs. Memphis eventually was eliminated in the second round by the Oklahoma City Thunder in a deciding seventh game.

That put Memphis a long way from its normal slot among the first teams selecting in the draft. Having a late second-round pick, the team didn’t even hold a draft watch party for its fans.

The Grizzlies’ late position left them looking to fill needs — a reserve guard, a three-point shooter or a backup frontline player to spell the team’s formidable tandem of Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol.

Grizzlies officials weren’t sure they could fill the shooter’s role from the draft ranks. They think they might have a better chance of finding that player in a trade or free agent market.

But the potential of Selby, who has a powerful build and a scorer’s approach to the game, may help provide the shooter’s mentality. He also has a reputation as an aggressive and physical defender.

Mike Conley holds the starter point guard role for Memphis, while Greivis Vasquez, a rookie from Maryland, served in the backup role down the stretch. A trade deadline deal with Houston brought Ish Smith, another rookie from Wake Forest, to Memphis. Smith saw limited action for the Grizzlies. Tony Allen started at the end of the season in the second guard spot, and O.J. Mayo came in as a shooter.

Comments

ku1otaku 8 years, 7 months ago

This was a great pick for the Grizz. Low risk (49th pick) and high reward potential. If Selby ends up backing up all the original hype he had, then Grizz will get a big payoff...not to mention a lot of Jayhawk fans will be eating some major crow! :)

Aligned 8 years, 7 months ago

Agreed. Selby was a steal at the 49th pick.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 7 months ago

Agree...there will be more than a few GMs wondering 'what the hell was I thinking?' Still, who told Selby he was NBA ready? Whoever..don't listen to him. he does not have your best interest at heart.

Matt Kenton 8 years, 7 months ago

Potential for injury, poor shooting technique, unproven on-court decision-making ability, little success at the collegiate level... I can see why he was projected as a bust by most teams.

Nice to see the Morris twins put their nose to the grindstone for three years and go 13, 14.

Matt Kenton 8 years, 7 months ago

But I do see your point. At 49, why not take a chance on athleticism? If Selby becomes a legitimate NBA player, near the level of Chalmers, I'll eat my crow!

leonard 8 years, 7 months ago

"He also has a reputation as an aggressive and physical defender."

The BS legend of Selby's talent just won't die. Over-rated, over-hyped, and forgotten.

One NBA insider was quoted as saying that Selby would have gone higher in the draft except teams were concerned about making travel arrangements for his faithful companion, Babe the Blue Ox.

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

Anyone who doesn't think Selby was aggressive and physical on the defensive end simply didn't watch him play this year. There is no other way to put it.

leonard 8 years, 7 months ago

Sure there is...

Lost, ineffective, rented mule, redheaded stepchild...to name a few.

Martin Rosenblum 8 years, 7 months ago

Welcome to Memphis, Josh!

Your Jayhawk bretheren, Darrel Arthur and Xavier Henry should be happy to have you aboard, if nobody else is. Still appears to be a core of Memphians who are anti-KU since the UofM lost to us in the 2008 NC. Sour grapes apparently have a long shelf life!

Sorry the franchise had no watch party. But, then again, you weren't there at the draft yourself, were you? They probably didn't even bother to have a Grizzlies hat available since they had the 49th pick. I'm sure you'll get one at the local presser, if they have one!

Please represent the Crimson and Blue and prove your critics wrong. The Grizzlies need your true skills.

DaNeille Dani Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

As a current Memphian and KU grad, I'm happy to see 3 Jayhawks on the Grizzlies team. Hopefully X man and Selby earn their money on the team. Darrell did his part this year! They were a fun team to follow! Selby just better quit feeling sorry for himself and just play ball. He can be good if he lets go of the past and just play ball. I'm sure he has a huge chip on his shoulder. He needed another year of college...just not at KU. Go Grizz and Go Hawks! It's going to be a great bb season!

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 7 months ago

he got picked in the bottom fifth of the draft.....from #1 rated HS recruit to a late 2nd round pick.....i hate to tell you i told you so, but.....i told you so.

one of these days, these so called connected kids....will say no to the yes men, and do what's best for themselves. is the best thing in life right now for Josh Selby, to be a late 2nd round pick in the NBA draft? No. he should be working out with his new teammates in the Horesji center or Allen Fieldhouse...and getting ready for a special sophomore season.

it's his bed and he has to lie in it. I hope he does well, and prove me wrong, but i don't think he's on an NBA regular season roster anytime soon. I predicted long ago, he wouldn't be a 1st round pick....and he has a long way to go, to make it in the league.

Jeffery Barrett 8 years, 7 months ago

My thoughts exactly! I still don't know why so many people defend Selby's play.

There was a reason Coach Self didn't play him down the stretch.

Paul Meyer 8 years, 7 months ago

What a shameful post. I normally just skim past these ugly comments, but this one is absolutely deplorable. I'm not sure who you are, but to hide behind some silly avatar name and to write about a young man's dream and tell him where his bed lies is so wrong. Have you seen the neighborhood where Josh comes from in Baltimore? I highly doubt it. Well I have and I have nothing but support for Josh. It's a fact, Josh didn't live up to all the hype and expectations for his playing days at KU, but that is no reflection of who or what Josh will be in the future.

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 7 months ago

my goodness, such a rant...and you normally "skim past?" perhaps you should begin doing that again. and what does my screen name have to do with anything? anyway, you know nothing about me, and frankly, i don't care what neighborhood he came from. you don't leave college after one year and you're a late 2nd round pick...you just don't. it's a mistake. I made the same case for Mario Chalmers...but he got extremely lucky the perfect scenario he landed in rarely happens...and he happened to hit the greatest clutch shot in college basketball history. so my post was strictly business..and it's correct. You Mr. Meyer (if that is your real name) need to lighten up.

jayhwkr77 8 years, 7 months ago

you are such a freaking idiot mvjayhawk. don't ever act like you know what's best for josh selby or any other jayhawk. you or i or any other KU fan has abosolutely NO IDEA what's best for these 19 year old kids.

this is the prolem with a lot of KU fans. they think that these kids are in lawrence for the sole purpose of making your time WATCHING ku basketball more pleasurable. everyone forgets that these are people too not objects and they need to make a living for themselves and often be the first one in their family to make it.

i have no idea if going to the NBA was the best decision for Josh Selby or not. but theres no reason for you to act like you KNOW exactly what's best for the kid. go make something of yourself josh and prove all these bitter "fans" wrong.

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

"they think that these kids are in lawrence for the sole purpose of making your time watching ku basketball more pleasurable."


BINGO.

+infinity

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 7 months ago

good original name call there jayhawkr...feel better? you, like a lot of KU fans...need to chill a bit. it's business dude, strictly business. you're honestly going to say to me, that the best decision for him was to after one year of college, go to the NBA draft? he had a dreadful season, couldn't stay healthy, looked like a walk on player much of the year, and now he's a late 2nd round pick. of course, we don't KNOW what's best for these kids....but it's obvious what his "entourage' says is the best....make me the money Josh....and we'll scratch each other's backs. they're parasites. and that's my point. do what's best for YOU....to help YOU the most. and one more year of school would have done it.

and this sole purpose thing of kids staying to making KU basketball games more pleasurable to watch is preposterous. kids come, and kids go...we all know that. Do you not think Selby on the team next year would make us better? Will it make Selby better? yes and yes. it's a win-win...why is that bad? i will enjoy watching KU basketball for years to come...regardless of who stays or goes. it's always fun...but when it comes to the NBA draft, and the kids' decisions on it...it's business. and you and several folks on this thread, don't get it.

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

Looked like a walk on player?

You're just so far outside of reality that it's not worth bothering. But I can't help myself....

It's just amusing to me to see someone pontificate about things they have no knowledge of (It's Selby's entourage, I tell you!), when it seems pretty clear that their opinion about what Josh SHOULD have done is likely just as driven by their own motivations.

I think it's a bit presumptuous to believe that another year in school DEFINITELY would have benefitted Selby. For starters, what if he has more injury troubles and further harms his draft stock, having nothing to do with his actual ability? Then KU doesn't get better, and has to deal with the difficulties of working through an injury to one of their best players. And Selby doesn't get better, but watches his already tenuous draft stock plummet more.

Not to mention the fact that next year's draft is, by most accounts, loaded (especially compared to the 2011 Draft). It's entirely plausible that Selby would have come back, improved his play, but still not improved his draft position because there was simply more talent with which to compete.

For all you know, Selby did EXACTLY what's best for HIM. You just assume that it was the "entourage" that made him go. And honestly, if Selby doesn't get injured again in the workout process, he probably would have gone in the first round and we wouldn't be having this convo, and everyone who have decided that Selby made the "wrong" decision would have a hell of a lot less ammo.

Problem is, Selby can't have known that he was going to hurt himself in the process, and had to make the decision to go or leave assuming that he would be healthy. And he already knew that Healthy Josh Selby had wowed talent scouts once before and thought with a few good workouts, he could do it again and get his guaranteed money.

None of us will know if Selby made right call... probably EVER. But at the very least, he's in a position to fulfill his dream, so I think it's at the very least, premature to declare that it was wrong. It's not like there was a choice to make that would have guaranteed him a first-round pick contract.

imajhawk60 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm glad there are true KU fans still left. Why would any true fan want bad luck for one of our own.

Josh knows what's best for Josh. If anyone thought Josh was coming back to KU they were dreaming. Josh's dream was to play in the NBA and earn money to support his family.

Everyone keeps referring to the millions he missed out on. You're the ones saying he wanted the millions - not Josh. Even if his contract is $400,000 - to him that would feel like a million.

KU fans - please quit calling Josh names. Just support him in his dreams and pray that he makes it in the NBA. Josh, make KU proud.

duanep5ku 8 years, 7 months ago

imajhawk60- Great post I wander just how many negative posters on here, will make that kind of money.

HawksWin 8 years, 7 months ago

Hey Ding Dong, Remove Jayhawk from ur vocab & take urself to urinal & stick ur head in it. Yah because ur head/tongue are just that. You are stinking up the entire Jayhawk board. Josh not doing well doesn't make you look any prettier as a Jayhawk, get it? To outsiders (Kentucky, Duke, MU...) Josh is a Jayhawk. So we, KU & Self, are better off if Josh succeeds. Be a good fellow sportsman & human being and wish him well.

duanep5ku 8 years, 7 months ago

Mvjayhawk Ignorant rant and I'm sure you and Josh can compare incomes next year

rob4lb 8 years, 7 months ago

Agreed mvjayhawk. He cost himself several million dollars by making the decision to go to the NBA. I think you have to blame agents for misleading him. He may have been injured during the last half of the season, but the bottom line was that he wasn't that good. He was a turnover waiting to happen. I always held my breath when he had the ball in a critical situation. He really could have used another year of seasoning in college. But the problem is that he never wanted to go to college in the first place so it was at best an arranged marriage. I'm sure he will spend time in the D-league which compared to Allen Fieldhouse is going to seem more like a demotion playing in quarter full arenas in third tier cities.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 7 months ago

If they just drafted Selby to be a scoring guard, what role did they draft Xavier for last year? Hmm...

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

Well, that's what he played at Kansas anyway. He's listed as a SG on his NBA profile page, but I coulda sworn he started some games at SF...

Spencer Goff 8 years, 7 months ago

Well, I do know he replaced O.J. Mayonaisse in November for a handful of games, but that was at shooting guard.

Now, it is entirely possible they ran a three guard setup with him replacing Rudy Gay after his injury, because as far as I know they only have Battier at the SF spot.

But I don't believe he was intended to be a SF. To be honest with you, at 6'6" he is a pretty 'small' SF by most standards. He's sort of a big SG/small SF type of body.

I'm just wondering why the Selby pick, what are they intending to do with him? Haha, is it odd to say that Memphis actually has a solid starting five and a couple nice backups? Five years ago that would have been a helluva joke at the water cooler.

justanotherfan 8 years, 7 months ago

I will say again as I have said over the last few weeks, last year at this very moment, Josh Selby was considered virtually interchangeable with Kyrie Irving (1) and Brandon Knight (8). They were considered equals as PGs.

Josh Selby is now a professional basketball player. His future is completely in his hands. As I said on another thread, the concerns expressed by EVERY SINGLE PERSON have to do with his health, NOT HIS GAME. Let me say that again.

THE CONCERNS WITH JOSH SELBY ARE RELATED TO HEALTH, NOT ABILITY.

In other words, Selby's decision was perfectly sound. Every NBA person has said that he has the skill to play in the league, but they are worried about his foot, or his knees. Another year at KU does nothing to alleviate those concerns. He has to stay healthy over the grind of an NBA season. If he can do that, he has a strong career, because the talent is there. If he can't, two or three or four years at KU wouldn't have changed that.

Wayne Simien is proof positive that if the body doesn't hold up, the ability can't save you. Simien had the skill to play in the NBA, but couldn't stay healthy in college, and never was really healthy as a pro.

Here's hoping Selby's health doesn't betray him.

Dirk Andrews 8 years, 7 months ago

Agree with Krohnutz...what's up with Henry? Seems like they have plenty of guards. Maybe Selby and Henry can win a d-league 'ship together.

Funhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Grizzlies have a fun team with three Jayhawks: Josh, Darrell, and Xavier. Rock Chalk Grizzly Hawk!

rob4lb 8 years, 7 months ago

But none of them play an important role on the team.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 7 months ago

Disagree on Arthur; he plays significant backup minutes and is their energy guy coming off the bench. Part of their surprising run in the playoffs was due to his solid contribution. In other words, he is a solid NBA player.

BCRavenJHawkfan 8 years, 7 months ago

So who did Melo, I mean the Knicks take? (snicker, snicker)

Andy Hess 8 years, 7 months ago

Why all this hatred? I think whoever advised him to leave should be fired immediately, but I've got no hate for Selby. Best of luck in Memphis!

ObiWan 8 years, 7 months ago

Because of the worst rule in sports, Selby now has to claw his way towards a paycheck. Had he been allowed to enter the draft out of HS, he would have surely been a lottery pick, going in as the Rivals #1 prospect.

DocBean 8 years, 7 months ago

That sounds like an argument FOR the rule, not against it.

The kids coming out of high school and not performing is the reason for the rule – Selby would have been that kid. Now he has a chance to prove himself without the pressure of becoming a bust. He also has to work his but off to get the kind of money he would have been guaranteed as a lottery pick.

Selby is the perfect example of the 1-and-done rule working. It might not be good for Selby, who lost a million or more, but good for the team that would have drafted him out of high school who would have been handicapped by his inability to perform.

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 7 months ago

I will go with what I have always said, Selby should have stayed another year. I didn't care about him staying for KU purposes. We can get guards to replace him and I believe we are in good shape. He should have stayed to have the chance to be at least a 1st round pick and maybe a lottery pick.

I find it interesting when guys leave after 1 or 2 years and end up in the 2nd round. Who is blowing smoke up their @$$ that they are a guaranteed 1st rounder. Oh well, hope he does well even though I am tired of seeing One and Dones here.

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure if you can fault Selby's advice. The Knicks were pretty high on him until...

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...he suffered another injury while working out for teams. After his stress fracture, I think another injury soured a lot of teams on his ability to stay healthy.

If anyone thinks that the Knicks were high on Iman Shumpert, they are crazy. They took him because they got scared to take the potentially injury-prone Selby, even though Selby's athletic ability and upside are light years ahead of a guy like Shumpert.

Also something to think about--this draft class was one of the weakest in the last 5 years, and ordinarily a talent of Selby's caliber would have been a no-brainer lottery pick. Combine that with the fact that several talented players returned to school knowing there was a threat of a lockout, and the LOGIC behind Selby's decision to leave is still sound. By most accounts, the 2012 Draft will be much harder to break into.

Selby's problem lies in the events that happened between declaring and making himself ineligible to return and the actual draft. At that point it was too late.

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 7 months ago

So, with one of the weakest drafts Selby is a second rounder? If it was a good draft he would not have been drafted at all? That doesn't make Selby sound like a great pick.

I hope he surprises me, but right now I don't think he will. I didn't think Collins would do well and I was right. I am not trying to be negative, but realistic. I want KU guys to do well, but I am also aware when one of our guys is not NBA material. right now I don't no if Selby is.

Scott Smetana 8 years, 7 months ago

I have hatred for this 'situation', but none of it is towards Selby. It's the system that's broken. I think most haters like me would agree. Nothing personal, but Selby is the poster boy of why the NBA rules need to change. I think we'll get 2 years, but I'm really hoping for 3.

DocBean 8 years, 7 months ago

I'd love to see kids stick around 2 or 3 years, but I don't think it's going to happen.

Selby is the perfect example of the 1-and-done rule working for the NBA. It's bad for the college game, but the NBA was sick of seeing GMs take these bigs risk/big reward high school kids only to constantly sit in the cellar. Now they take smaller risks by signing foreign players, and 1-and-dones.

1-and-done is working for the NBA, the kids coming in aren't as risky, and fans know who they're rooting for. The next move by the NBA will be to make the International Game more popular, so that we know who those kids are.

Sam Constance 8 years, 7 months ago

Foreign players are no less risky than high school players. I would love to compile numbers comparing NBA successes v. busts as a function of straight-out-of-high-school v. foreign, but that sounds incredibly daunting.

The problem is that NBA GMs and scouts will always have the "I need to hit a home run" mentality because it's one of two ways to improve your team and it's theoretically easier to just pick a good player in the draft than arrange a shrewd trade that brings in talent without giving up something irreplaceable.

As long as basketball remains such a fluid game that is difficult to break down into metrics and statistics, there will be busts as everyone tries to find the next Jordan.

kranny 8 years, 7 months ago

Selby is a basketball player. He went to college because he had to. He would have went straight to the NBA before the rule change. If Sherron Collins can make a team for a short while then Selby will do fine. I for one wish him the best and hope his hard work pays off and in the end if he doesn't make the NBA, there's always Europe. If he keeps a good attitude, he'll make a great living playing basketball somewhere.

BCRavenJHawkfan 8 years, 7 months ago

I think some are misinterpreting cynicism as hatred toward Selby. Or at least from my vantage point, I will admit to being cynical about Selby. I said from the time he first declared KU that he would move from a big fish in a small pond to A fish in a Bigger pond. And the pond just gets bigger with even more fish when the jump is to the NBA.

I have no doubt the guy is talented. But guess what, the world is full of talented players. I was amazed at some of the highlights of other guards selected before Selby. Names I really never heard of (Charles Jenkins out of Hofstra), guys really going to the basket (Travis Leslie from UGA, he dunked on guys bigger than him!), the way we all hoped Selby would have. To me it just seemed like Selby's Micky D's performance was enough to allow him to be complacent and ride that expectation all the way to the draft.

Now, we wait. We'll see if he materializes. I'd love to see it happen, but again I'm skeptical. Mostly because now the guy has to work and work very hard.

KansasComet 8 years, 7 months ago

Josh Selby will be fine in the NBA. I will cheer for him just like I did when he played for Kansas. I wish him well.

FLJHK 8 years, 7 months ago

Best of luck Josh for a long and lucrative career.

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