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Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Gary Bedore’s KU basketball notebook

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Same numbers

There were Internet rumors that Justin Wesley might ask Jeff Withey to switch jersey numbers this year. Wesley wears No. 4; Withey wears Langford’s old number, 5.

“We decided to keep it the same,” Wesley said. “I thought about it. That is kind of Keith’s number. I am just going to try to build my own legacy. We are going to stay with 4 and 5.”

Happy for city

Wesley may not be an active Mavs fan, but he is happy for his home state. He moved to Houston when in the eighth grade.

“I mean, this is our first championship. I am actually very excited we’ve actually got a championship in Dallas now,” Wesley said. “I wish I could be back there to celebrate.”

New name in recruiting

Ryan Taylor, a 6-6, 185-pound small forward from Louisville’s Western High, may take an unofficial recruiting visit to KU this weekend, CBSsports.com reports.

Taylor’s high school coach/uncle Paul Handley told CBSsports.com that KU on Monday offered Taylor a scholarship.

Taylor, Rivals.com’s No. 132-rated player in the Class of 2011, committed to Louisville before reopening his recruiting. Taylor reportedly has offers from West Virginia, Indiana and South Carolina.

Handley told CBS that Taylor is a couple of points shy on his standardized test. Taylor, who attended Lawrence North in Indianapolis for three years before heading to Western, took the test last weekend. If he qualifies, he’ll be eligible to play this season.

“He still loves Louisville, but I don’t know if they have a scholarship now,” Handley told CBS.

Lindsay update

Merv Lindsay, a 6-7 guard/forward from Canyon Springs High in Moreno Valley, Calif., who visited KU last weekend, will complete a visit to Marquette today. Eligible to play this upcoming season, Lindsay is expected to choose between KU and Marquette later this week.

Comments

KEITHMILES05 8 years, 7 months ago

Wow. We have reached the point of taking anybody. What has recruiting come to?

LA_hawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Agreed! I think we should save these schollies for next year which could potentially be a stellar class, instead of reaching on 3 star recruits.

Ashwin Rao 8 years, 7 months ago

We can't give up this year waiting for next year. I am glad that BS is going for the next best player. There will be additional scholarships open next year, so let us not worry about next year.

Brad Avery 8 years, 7 months ago

Surely, no one really believes that 5-star vs. 3-star garbage. The Rivals rating system is there for your entertainment and has as much value as the mock drafts in pro football. HCBS and his staff get paid to evaluate potential players and coach them when they arrive. Relax, and enjoy the ride as Uncle Roy used to say. Don't worry about recruiting service rankings. Butler has been to the national championship game two years in a row with nary a five star recruit. Believe it or not, the quality of the coaching makes a big difference.

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 7 months ago

To take it a step further, the Rivals system is there to sell internet subscriptions. I, too, trust HCBS in his talent evaluation.

LA_hawk 8 years, 7 months ago

I agree the rating systems are hardly trustworthy and many of the 1-50 players are interchanble, but go back through the years and look at how many players rated 1-50 made it to the NBA and how many players rated 100-150 made it. The proof is right there.
Self wasn't interested in these guys before we lost out on the other ones...that's what makes me nervous that he's just reaching for whatever's leftover at this point.

lee3022 8 years, 7 months ago

Fortunately we are not playing in the NBA. Coach Self only has to recruit college players who are appropriate for college ball.

Steve Corder 8 years, 7 months ago

Rating services are a money making hype job. They sell their "service" to parents for big dollars with the promise to promote the kid! Moving up the rating service food chain is part of the picture everyone should be aware of. Beyond the top 10 most of these kids are interchangeable. Just remember some of those "3 star" kids have kicked our teeth out in the tournament.

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 7 months ago

Well, at least Taylor is higher-rated than Traylor!!! LOL

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Choose between KU and Marquette? MARQUETTE?

LubbockJhawk85 8 years, 7 months ago

Tyshawn Taylor was committed to Marquette before Tom Crean left and he decided to come to KU. I think Bill Self should do his job and offer scholarships to whoever he wants, he's got a pretty good track record.

Martin Rosenblum 8 years, 7 months ago

I, for one, am relieved that the threat of player's numbers possibly being switched has been confirmed as a resolved matter!

Those "internet rumors" gave me such distress, that I could barely function in my daily life until it was reported here that the potential nightmare was over. Thanks, LJW! Now I can start living my life again!

TonganoxieHawkfan 8 years, 7 months ago

I don't think even four years with Danny will make Merv good enough to play very many minutes.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 7 months ago

Aren't Scholarship offers only good for one year? So many people that get a scholarship might not get their scholarship renewed the second year if they didn't pan out. Personally I think that is why you see some people transfer after one season when they don't play a lot. I'm guessing if you didn't hand out the scholarship you would actually just give it to Wesley or another walk on. Isn't Withey non-scholarshipped? It would be interesting to see who is on sholarship and who isn't.

Coach-Matt Koelling 8 years, 7 months ago

Scholarships are only good for one year, but they can't be taken away for athletic performance or injury.

justanotherfan 8 years, 7 months ago

Untrue. Scholarships can be taken away at a coaches discretion. Granted, the stated reason cannot be athletic performance, but a scholarship can be non-renewed with no explanation.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

"Granted, the stated reason cannot be athletic performance, but a scholarship can be non-renewed with no explanation."

This is contradictory. Do they have to state a reason or not? Not trying to call you out; I'm just curious on the rules.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 7 months ago

It's like clockwork -- Self pursuing an unranked player this spring, or really low ranked player, and the sounds of "ratings don't matter" and "I'll trust coach Self" and "we can coach 'em up" echoing in the distance.

Good luck with that.

Somewhere, there is reality.

My reality -- just mine: None of us really know how good Anderson, Traylor, Taylor or Merv could be. Really, we don't -- either way. We can't say for certain a guy is a stud or a waste of effort. Rivals and other services are excellent guides. They do the research we don't have the time or inclination to do. They actually have a remarkable track record. That means the odds of high level success for each of these four guys is remote. Self may be using the shot-gun approach -- get 3 or 4 in here, see who fits, who really has it -- whoever does not have it exits stage left either after this season or next. That could be each one of them. It could be none of them. There may also be a question as to whether Anderson or Traylor make it to campus for whatever reason .. I expect they will, but until they're here, we don't know.

One thing I'm quite sure of .. if there is a top player we want in the future, Self will ensure that a scholarship is open. I see this chase for the unranked player this spring to simply be an effort by Self to have adequate depth and options come this season. He would not make the major error of clogging our program with lower tier guys for years to come -- which one could argue is a risk. The guy wants to win and he wouldn't mortgage the future. And one, two or all of these guys tranferring to Duquense or UNC-Ashville or Biola in the future isn't that remote. But finding a needle in the haystack is easier when there are more needles.

brooksmd 8 years, 7 months ago

I realize it's a different sport, and it's pros vs college, but over 300 players were picked before Albert Pujols in the major league draft. So rather than looking at what scouting services say and dissing a kid cuz he ain't in the top 25, I'll trust the KU coaching staff.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 7 months ago

Yea, and in basball literally hundreds of kids are picked each year that flame out within a couple of years.

You have fallen into the trap of trying to point out the 1 in 1000 shot. Sure, Derrick Williams was 3 stars. Shelvin Mack. Lightning strikes. If you really upon such long odds as your foundation, then there are a number of casinos in Vegas just waiting for you .. they'll give you a free room, too.

Do you not think that part of the scouting services' information in forming their rankings come from the coaches and their staffs?

If you want to trust coach Self and his staff, ask why they weren't recruiting Anderson, Traylor, Taylor, or Merv until they absolutely had to? It's called scrambling for depth. They have to get some of these kids. Not necessarily their preference. As coach Self said with Anderson, he was the "best available."

Thomas Michaud 8 years, 7 months ago

Like the looks of Taylor, if he can pass his ACT (hated that test ... never like standardized tests) could be more of an immediate impact player vs. Merv. After reading the praises of the Louisville fan base on this kid, watching some of the highlight reels (ESPN shows a kid that not only has range but some amazing quickness), I could see him coming here. Just wish he were a few inches talled to play the 4 ... correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like we'd be heavy with small forwards.

Merv, on the other hand, has the height, was a good shooting guard (so a player with height that can shoot from the outside and handle the ball (+)), but someone that hasn't played the power forward position very long (if at all)(-) ... A project—but one that could pay off and give us another body at the 4 (although may not play much in 2011 as he needs to work on building that frame).

Will be interesting to see what happens over the next week or two with these guys.

Martin Rosenblum 8 years, 7 months ago

Just had to copy the best part of this story:

This past season, Calipari won his 500th game, or so Kentucky believed and still does. The NCAA thinks otherwise. Those '96 and '08 seasons were vacated, meaning, according to the NCAA, Calipari is stuck at 467 Ws as of now. Kentucky's public acknowledgement of this faux feat has caused the NCAA to pucker its tush and demand an apology -- yes, an apology, a five-page apology, at that. How dare Kentucky make such a big stink over its head coach reaching a milestone few men and women accomplish.

What an image - "the NCAA puckering it's tush"!

Mel Clare 8 years, 7 months ago

This is the same thng that happens each year....sign some lower tier guys, get a walk on or two, have a couple of them red shirt next year and then sign the ones you want the next year.................

Teahen, Taylor and Junemann are all seniors this year.............

Robinson will probably go to the NBA..............

There are your schollies for next years recruiting..................

LA_hawk 8 years, 7 months ago

We already have 4 bigs signed up for next year...Robinson, Withey, Traylor, Anderson. That's the same number of bigs we had this past year...Twins, Robinson, and Withey.

LA_hawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Oh I'm definitely not comparing Tralor and Anderson to the twins, you just mentioned injuries and I was pointing out the fact that we have the same number of bigs.

And I just don't like the idea of throwing everything we can at the wall and seeing what sticks. I'm afraid the same thing might happen to these guys that happened to Appleton and Quintrell. Yes, they could be brought in as a safety net this year. But chances are we could sign more talented players in the next year or two, and then these guys would be faced with the decision of riding the pine or transferring.

jgkojak 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm happy with what we have - I think we've actually been hurt by over-recruiting and not getting all we can out of many of our players. There is something to knowing that you HAVE to perform out there - that what's on the bench just won't match what you can do for the team. There is also something to knowing that coach has to keep you in even if you make a mistake - you play looser. If you look at our season-ending losses (UNI, VCU) we played TIGHT. I have to think that a few of the guys having that pressure game in and game out would have eliminated some of that.

Having a one and done in the line-up wins league championships, but it doesn't win NCAA championships, because at some point experience matters.

JayDocMD 8 years, 7 months ago

At first glance, the only last minute 2011 signing that makes sense would be the Vanderbilt transfer (Walker) as he plays right away and he doesn't use up a 2012 scholarship.

A lot people on these boards (myself included) have been talking about saving scholarships for the deep and promising class of 2012. But I'm wondering just how many open scholarships we need. After all, Tyshawn and Teahan will be gone (is Teahan using a scholarship this year?) - and almost certainly TRob will be gone as well. (Who knows - maybe EJ blows up and goes unexpectedly too.)

Of the 6 scholarships left open this year, 4 have been used (Tharpe, BMac, Traylor, Anderson.) Those 2 left plus 2 or 3 opening up next year (one is taken by Peters.)

Bottom line: while at first glance it bothers my ego to hear about KU courting these leftovers, perhaps it is the smartest move for our program to take a gamble on some of these "lower tier" players in hopes 1 or 2 pan out. If they don't, they'll probably go the way of Quintrell (who, in hindsight, should have stayed) or Tyrone Appleton. Either way seem like we will still have enough scholarships to sign Perry, Caleb and another 2 blue chippers.

LA_hawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Actually, weren't there 7 scholarships opened with the transfer of Woolridge?

JayDocMD 8 years, 7 months ago

You're right - I forgot to add that one.

kureignman 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure on exactly how many players we have but I thought that it was less than 15. Even if this guy isn't a 5 star recruit, we need enough players to make it through practice. It'd be nice to have enough for a scout team. Not everybody is going to see a lot of playing time, but that doesn't mean that won't make a significant contribution.

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

"The War Between Hope and Futility on a Tuesday in June, or Its a Tough Balancing Act, But Someone's Gotta Do It:"

~Memo to Justin: you are one of those persons the fates turn from a frown to a smile on. First, you are on the down bound train at Lamar. Next, Keith hits a Russian, abiotic crude oil basketball salary bonanza and gets you a private scholie to the Father of All Basketball Programs. Next, the departure stars align in such a way that Bill Self gets caught short handed for the first time in recorded history. Next, you are healthy and working hard. Keep doing exactly what you say you are doing. Work hard! Set yourself this goal: work harder than any one else on the team. Work till you can't work any more and then work one half hour longer. Work as hard as Tyrel did. The basketball god has opened the door a crack for you. Figure out the role you know you can play, if you just keep getting better. Listen to the coaches define the role they think is right for you. See the overlap between what you know you can do and what they are defining. Go for the overlap, as if it were your destiny. Broaden the overlap next summer. And take Russian. Don't be afraid of foreign language. In the first 50 years of USA's existence almost every American spoke more than one language, many several, the leaders at least English and French.

Prepare yourself to make large amounts of Russian, abiotic petro rubles. Study finance and currency arbitrage while at KU, even if you have to ask Keith for an advance to pay some prof to tutor you on currency arbitrage and related math and software. Learn how to move the petro rubles back and forth among foreign currencies. Think of this hard work on the wood you are putting in as the foundation you are laying for a firm called "Langford and Langford LLC." It will specialize in currency arbitrage for American basketball players playing on the Eurasian land mass. Eventually, the NBA pros will come begging for your services, too.

Be all that you can be. Join the Money! And don't let any one hose you about it not being one of the important goals in life. And also don't let them hose you about it being the only important goal either.

Keith has paved a way into a bonanza.

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

It is always the second family member into the bonanza that can turn it into a going concern that converts it into transgenerational wealth.

As Chris Rocks said:

"Not talkin' 'bout money...talkin' 'bout wealth."

~Ryan Taylor get your glutes to LarryLand right this second! Man, this is the guy we need to plug the last gap for this coming season!!!!! Slick Rick knows ballers as well as he knows the slings and arrows of outrageous lust. Rick's guys play D. Ricks guys run the floor. Ricks guys swagger. If Slick wanted this guy, Self should (and apparently has) pounced on him. Middle class kids have created an mega industry in test score improvement service companies. Ryan can surely get a 5 point lift from one of these programs. I swear, Bill Self leads a charmed life. In the middle of a shiz storm, he grows daisies!

Go, Bill, go!

~And I don't think the folks arguing to hold the rides for next year are reading the Garmin correctly. When touch the screen, the map says, "In one year, Bill Self will have at least three rides to give next year. Be ready for Bill Self to give at least three rides next year." The Garmin leaves unsaid: TT and Thomas go to the L and Conner goes to Hollywood. And I have a hunch that EJ could super nova and jump, also. And then there is always the chance that Ben Mac could super nova and jump, too. These things happen in today's game.

So: anywhere from 3-5 scholies will be open next season, even if no frosh suffer a Royce-to-the-Wilderness seizure.

So: how many flippin' scholies does Self need to save for next season?

If Self pulls in Kaleb, Perry and a playuh tuh be named latuh, next season with three rides, while still stocking up on what he can this season, what the flip do thread rats want? Will no one in Legacyland enter pre-famous Kurt Nirvana unless Self finds some remaining eligibility for Lebron, Black Mamba, Dirk, Stoudemire and Durant and lands them in Legacy Land in a Dream Scheme?

Really, Kaleb, Perry and the PTBNLatuh are all this team would need to be the Optimus Primes of Oz season after next!!!!

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

~Regarding Merv, he is right to go see Buzz in beer town and size up the Okie Ballin' Jesuits. This seems another one of those Okie Baller cooperative recruiting deals Self appears to swing from time to time with another Okie Ballin' coach. It at least appears that two Okie Baller coaches get in line for a kid that is a bubble kid--some player Self might want, depending how things break on other recruits, and, if they break the wrong way, Self and second in line coach appears to guaranty the kid a spot at the second-in-line, Okie Baller school. Of course this is only a hypothesis conjectured from the outside lookin' in. Who knows if it really feeds this way? Self seemed to do one of these with Leonard Hamilton with Michael somebody last recruiting season. It is kind of a hedge position. The kid gets to say he is being recruited by Kansas, which ups his scent to other programs, and has, say, Marquette, or Florida State, as his fall back, as he waits for things to clarify with Self. Again, just a hypothesis.

~Real Politik Non Sequitur: Taking bets on what surprising, cruel event might take place during the transition at SecDef from Bushista Kansan Bob Gates to Clintonista Californian Leon Panetta coming soon to an Obama Defense Department near you. These transitions offer an opportunity to do something really, really nasty that the outgoing guy gets to walk away from and the incoming guy gets to say "I'm not responsible, I inherited it." What'll it be this time? Or has it already happened and we don't recognize it yet?

~I wonder if the Kansas tax base goes up after the NBA season ends, when all of the KU pros return? :-)

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

~It is kind of comical that Dirk Nowitzki has been held in lower esteem than Stoudemire and Howard and some other NBA bigs. I mean the schillcasters can't argue that Dirk was carried to his title by a superstar supporting cast, can they? Stoudemire and Howard probably have better supporting casts, at least on paper, don't they? Dirk, you're kind of like Kevin Garnett, Olajuwan and Dave Cowens before they got their rings. You never really got the respect that you deserved. Well, welcome to Respectville. Its a basketball town zoned for guys with rings and you've got one.

~XTReme Hype is a pandemic in basketball. It afflicts all levels of the game starting with high school. Unless you follow a player, or team, closely, there is just no telling from national mass media if any player, or team, is remotely as good as hyped, or deserved to be as under-recognized as many are.

~Do broadcasters in the national sports media all go to the same "Schillcasting School"? Are there courses like:

Schillcasting 101: Basics of super gluing of lips to the glutes of big market stars for access--no prerequisite.

Schillcasting 201: Advanced super gluing of lips to the glutes of big market stars for access. Pre-requisite--Schilcasting 101, or permission from the instructor.

Schillcasting 301: Graduate level seminar in super gluing of lips to the glutes of big market stars for access. Pre-requisite--a score in the top 20% in the GSAT (i.e., Graduate Schillcasting Aptitude Test and three letters of rec from professional schillcasters with their lips super glued to the glutes of big market stars for access.)

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

~Ad seen in a professional magazine for Schillcasters: Buy lip glue futures. You can't go wrong these days. There is inelastic demand for the stuff from schillcasters. What the heck?! Derivatives are still largely unregulated and abused. Bundle the lip glue futures with stocks with surrealistic current P/E ratios and insure them with recycled derivative GICs (guarantied insurance contracts).

~T.S. Eliot was wrong. The world will end not with a bang, or a whimper, but a hype and a GiC.

~No, wait, jaybate was wrong. The world will end not with a bang, a whimper, a hype, or a GIC, but with all the assets owned by the owners of a private central bank, and the rest of us holding worthless private central bank paper and debt currency, while we starve as our food is converted to biofuel and we freeze to death amidst global warming.

~But...

"It's summertime and the living is easy Fish are jumping and the cotton is high Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking Hush, little baby don't you cry don't cry, don't cry, don't cry..."

~No, wait, none of the lugubrious slow stuff full of resignation to the oppressive. Un the war between hope and futility, reload the hope and carry on...

"It's summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime Summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime Summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime Summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime Summerti-i-me

We'll, shut them books And throw 'em away Say goodbye to dull school days (Just) look alive and change your ways It's summerti-i-ime

(Ba-ba-bom) Well, no more studyin' history And no more reading geography And no more dull geometry Because it's summertime

It's time to head straight for them hills It's time to live and have some thrills Come along and have a ball A regular, oh-free-for-all

Well, are you comin' or are you ain't? You slow pokes are my one complaint Hurry up before I faint It's summerti-i-ime

(Ba-ba-bom) Well, I'm so happy that I could flip Oh, how I love to take a dip I'm sorry teacher but zip your lip Because it's summertime

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

It's time to head straight for them hills It's time to live and have some thrills Come along and have a ball A regular, oh-free-for-all

Well, we'll go swimmin' everyday No time to work just time to play If your folks complain just say 'It's summerti-i-ime'

(Ba-ba-bom) And every night we'll have a dance 'Cause what's a vacation without romance? Oh man, this jive has me in a trance Because it's summertime

It's time to head straight for them hills It's time to live and have some thrills Come along and have a ball A regular, oh-free-for-all It's summerti-i-ime

Ba-bom, it's summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime Summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime"

-- The Jamies Written by: Sherm Feller and Tom Jameson

~Afterall, all work and no play, makes Jack a dull boy, and Jill not wear a bikini!

~The truth, I suppose lies inside the metaphor of rock and roll stars, and most other successful persons in other fields. Outwork everyone to become highly successful, while doing something that is so fun you would do it for free. And know that outworking everyone still leaves time for...

"Summertime, summertime Sum-sum-summertime..."

~Its a tough balancing act, but someone's gotta do it. :-)

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 7 months ago

Jaybate,

Although I admire the time and effort that you obviously put into your posts, I will guess that a majority of posters, after reading the first part of your first post, quickly scroll down to the next post; I know I do (although I have on occasions read the entire posts), as do many people that I know visit this board. Unfortunately, few of us have enough time to spend more that a few seconds per post. Many of us come to this board to get the latest KU sports news and not to read a treatise on whatever is or is not news at the time.

I would like to offer s suggestion. Why don't you post a quick -one or two paragraph- "Executive Summary" as it were, that summarizes the longer post; then we can then read or skip based on the premise outlined on the short post. Makes sense?

P.S. No malice intended.

jaybate 8 years, 7 months ago

Some times I do. These are my short posts. :-)

canuckhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Jaybate, when you don't add in the "no malice" caveat, can we assume that there is at least a little malice in your post(s).

p.s. no malice intended...trust me, I don't want to be on your bad side.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 7 months ago

As I understand, a LOI binds the school to the student, and more importantly, it binds the student to the school. If a LOI has not been signed within the alloed period, a student can sign a financial aid package; however. this process binds the school to the student but NOT the student to the school. DeAndre Daniels can, at any time before he attends school, move to a different school; this is why his commitment, after the LOI signing period, is non-binding to him (only to UConn) and pretty meaningless.

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