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Thursday, June 2, 2011

High praise: At Big 12 meetings, Commissioner Dan Beebe to Kansas AD Sheahon Zenger: Nice work (but lose the tie)

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe answers a question during a news conference at the Big 12 meetings on Wednesday at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kansas City, Mo.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe answers a question during a news conference at the Big 12 meetings on Wednesday at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kansas City, Mo.

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— Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe has known Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger long enough to offer up some friendly advice following Wednesday’s second day of the conference’s spring meetings at the Intercontinental Hotel near the Country Club Plaza.

“He’s gotta learn to not wear a tie at the meetings,” Beebe said.

In town to tackle the annual gathering which typically covers everything from rule changes and personnel moves to discussions about the future and the changing landscape of college athletics, Beebe received a firsthand look at how Zenger fit in with the rest of the conference’s ADs on one of the league’s biggest stages.

Early returns seem to indicate Zenger looked right at home.

“At this point, he’s primarily just listening,” Beebe said. “When he does make a remark, it’s poignant, and he’s on point, but he’s primarily taken the view that he’s gonna absorb everything. And I think that’s wise because then you get a feel for how things are conducted, and you don’t act like you already know.”

Beebe and Zenger first met when Zenger worked in the athletics department at Kansas State University (2001-05) under then-athletic director Tim Weiser. It didn’t take long for Beebe to learn to like him.

“He’s not an unknown to me,” Beebe said. “I got to know him a little bit when he was at Kansas State and really liked him and thought well of him.”

Beebe followed Zenger’s career at Illinois State from afar, and the two occasionally crossed paths at various NCAA functions. Each time, Beebe came away impressed with the way Zenger conducted himself despite being affiliated with a so-called mid-major school that operated miles away from the limelight and luster to which the power conferences were accustomed.

Armed with info on the early stages of Zenger’s career, Beebe figured it to be a home run for Kansas when he heard that Zenger had been named KU’s new AD. Just a few months — and two days of Big 12 spring meetings — into the job, Zenger has operated the way Beebe remembered.

“He’s doing exactly what I thought and anticipated,” Beebe said. “He’s a great administrator, and I think Kansas is very fortunate to have a fellow of that kind of strength and vision and ability as their AD.”

One year ago, when Beebe and the Big 12’s ADs, chancellors, presidents and faculty representatives met in the same hotel, the meetings were much more heated, and the very survival of the conference was at stake.

This year, even though Colorado (now in the Pac-12) and Nebraska (Big Ten) are no longer with them, those in attendance this week talked glowingly about the unity and camaraderie that existed between the 10 remaining schools.

“Certainly it’s a much more together atmosphere than we had a year ago,” Missouri AD Mike Alden said Wednesday. “And it’s nice because, for all of us working together and moving it forward, it’s nice to be much more proactive than being reactive. That’s kind of how it felt a year ago, and today it’s much, much different than that.”

The survival of the Big 12 did not come without a few headaches. Many of those have been addressed this week and will continue to be hammered out as the meetings wrap up today and Friday.

For Beebe, once considered a lame-duck commissioner and now charged with leading the new-look league into a bright and prosperous future, blazing new trails has been rewarding.

“Now I can say this,” Beebe said. “I was always a little bit jealous of the Pac-10. They have the round-robin in football, and I grew up in that part of the country, so it’s interesting that I get to lead a conference where what I always thought was pretty cool — having a complete round-robin and one true champion and a double round-robin in basketball and other sports — is what has come to fruition here. So it’s exciting that it’s come to that.”

Comments

HawkDigestCom 6 years, 4 months ago

I feel good about Zenger, but exactly how much is an endorsement from Beebe worth? Then you're going to have Alden comment on togetherness? Pure comedy.

baldwinjhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU GET A COMMENT FROM ALDEN ON ANYTHING? THAT JACKASS IS THE ONE THAT STARTED ALL THE CHAOS LAST YEAR!!!! WHAT A JOKESTER

JayDocMD 6 years, 4 months ago

Alden needs someone to be proactive on his head with a mallet. Then perhaps he will recall that the chaos of last year was set in motion by Mizzery. With their public posturing and courting of the Big 10, that was all the excuse Nebraska needed to flee to a conference that didn't include Texas. With their athletic dept in massive debt and in shambles, Colorado was just happy someone showed interest. The irony is, the Pac 10 didn't actually want them at all. Pac 10/12 commisioner Larry Scott was using them as a domino to get the Belles of the Ball (cash cows TX & OU.) When Larry woke up the next morning, he had to be horrified to wake up next to the ugly best friend.

prrkc 6 years, 4 months ago

If CU and NU are making decisions on what conference to be in based on what the governer of MO says (who is NOT a MU official in any way), they are complete idiots. 'Gee, their governer likes the B10, we have to make a massive institutional change and go to another conference!'

If anybody initiated the 'chaos', it was the B10 specifically identifying MU as a target school after they did their little expansion study, then having the media take it and run crazy with it. Nixon didn't help, but actual MU officials said basically nothing other than 'the B10 is a nice conference, too'. Look it up.

And MU leaving wouldn't have killed the conference- NU did and that didn't kill it. The only thing that would have killed the conference would have been UT and friends leaving for the PAC16.

JayDocMD 6 years, 4 months ago

You have the reading comprehension of someone with a Mizzery public education. Try to follow along...

First of all, I never said Alden himself was the blabbermouth - just Mizzery. "Look it up."

Secondly, (as already mentioned) Nebraska used the very public comments of Mizzery as an excuse (legitimate or not) - this was specifically mentioned on their way out the Big 12 door by Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman:

“One school leaving a conference does not destroy a conference. Nebraska did not start this discussion. After the Big Ten announced it planned to consider expansion, we saw reports that Missouri would want to go to the Big Ten, including a statement by their governor, a member of board of curators and chancellor - comments that weren't clearly supportive of the Big 12.”

Lastly, not once did I mention anything about the moves having "killed the conference." Those are your words - not mine. My take home points were A) Missouri is worthless. B) The Pac 10 can have Colorado.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

I know Beebe is somewhat intrigued by this round-robin venture that the Big 12 is going to implore this upcoming season, however, he needs to be proactive about getting the Big 12 back up to 12 schools or even hit a homerun and get 14 schools. My two wishlists for Beebe and the Big 12 are:

1) Memphis: They have money coming out of their ears and their boosters and alumni have deep pockets. They are 110% committed to getting into a BCS conference with all of their focus towards football. Man, I just don't see Memphis a fit in the "Big East" with that conference barely staying afloat in terms of football. Memphis is another great advantage because it expands your market into SEC country and Tennessee.

2) Louisville: The Cardinals are the gem here. Just as I stated above about the Big East........it's a fragile conference in terms of football. Louisville is a hotbed from a geographic standpoint as it's 2 hours from Indy and right smack dab in the middle of Big 10 and SEC country. Louisville just renovated their 58,000 seat stadium, but they have room to expand another 20,000 seats/boxes if they want.

The future of the Big 12 IMO rests with these two universities. I would be planting seeds all day long to the presidents and directors of these universities. Basketball would be icing on the cake from these two. Why not go after the Big East? Also, Texas dislikes TCU with a passion so stealing Louisville away would definitely hurt that recent move the Horned Frogs just made.

I could always get greedy and ask for Arkansas and Notre Dame, but those two situations are less likely and don't see that one happening anytime soon.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

ND may be a long shot but with the conference allowing schools to have their own network they (along with other big schools we once thought to be out of reach) might be more interested than you think. The down side is the big 12 will soon be the league of the haves and have nots, unfortunately we will be the nots. Thanks to sheahon!

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

Remember we do not have equal revenue sharing so the football dominate schools are going to get the meat and we will get the bone. They also get second helping by having their own network deals. Making it possible for ut, ou, and other bigger schools (should they join) to make almost double what we do.

Patrick Leiker 6 years, 4 months ago

ah- We've always benefited from not having equal revenue sharing. KU is in the top 5 nationally for our 3rd tier rights, and since we don't have to share revenue, we can get more for all the basketball games that are shown nationally. Since every football game in the Big XII will be televised based on the new TV contract, the benefit for the "football schools" will be minimized because all our games will also be televised no matter what.

KU does not want equal revenue sharing, we benefit from the current setup.

Patrick Leiker 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, you don't have to wait, so feel free to see it anytime you like. Just look at the last few year's Third tier revenue we have received and where we rank overall in the conference in revenue.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

Most of that cash is based on a good football team with sold out stadiums with bowl and tv games.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 4 months ago

ahperse...what makes you think KU would ne among the "have nots"? Do you actually know where KU ranks in the conference in sports revenues? Would it surprise you to know that only UT and OU have bigger revenues than Kansas?

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

Again, you're numbers are based off of the decent mangino football years. Let's see where those numbers are with memorial 3/4 empty and no bowl money. And if we are such a cash cow why were we on the bottom of the list last year during superconference gate?

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 4 months ago

Well. I got actual numbers...what do you have other than WAGs?

Again, you have a very selective memory. Where did you get the information that we were at the bottom of the list last year during the conference shuffle? When the smoke finally cleared out, it turned out that there had been a lot more interest for KU (from other conferences, including the PAC 10) than for other Texas schools though to be in demand.

ku1otaku 6 years, 4 months ago

Not to mention Memphis & Louisville use to have a rivalry back in the old C-USA days together. It would be a renewed rvialry.

baldwinjhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

How about Louisville and colorado state? 2 good football schools (1 great basketball program and the denver market.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

I will be honest Baldwin, I don't think going West is a good idea. Colorado State is not a good option IMO. I'm not sure of their exact numbers, but their athletic revenue and budget is pretty weak compared to Texas Tech or even Iowa State.

hoopsdr 6 years, 4 months ago

kushaw

I completely agree. Another school I see similarly to those two is Cincinnati. They may be a half step behind as far as football and basketball is concerned but it would be great for the conference to gain a niche in Ohio for TV and football recruiting purposes. I think the state of Ohio is top 10 nationally as far as population goes, so if the conference does expand and we go back to north/south it would be nice for the north to have a little pull in the TV ratings.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

I like the idea! The question to ask is how much revenue Cincy's football revenue brought in to the athletic budget? I have no idea so that is why I'm asking. The other question is their stadium..........How many does it seat? Have they done any renovations lately? Any room to expand to 75,000 plus! IMO 75K is going to be the number in the future for all major BCS football schools.

Jeff Coffman 6 years, 4 months ago

I've always heard the following schools: Notre Dame (Dream, but realistic with non-revenue sharing) Arkansas (Jerry Jones really pushes this, but almost impossible to get from the SEC). BYU (Travels well, new market, history, and currently no conference affiliation for Football) Memphis (Boosters are willing to Pay) Air Force (New Market and connections) TCU (but I think that one was just proximity, doesn't add a new market and they recently joined the Big East) Boise State (Football tradition, new market, but the market isn't big and travel would be impossible)

Last time I checked though our contract is for the same amount of money as the PAC12, Big 10, and a little less than the SEC, and more than the ACC and Big East, and we have less teams to share those revenues with, therefore, if you stay in about the top 8 (of 10) in football and basketball you come out ahead.

I've never heard Cincy or Louisville, and I'm not sure either of those would be great.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

Notre Dame-I agree with you

Arkansas-Could happen at the right cost and if the "Pig Sooies" want to rebuild those old Southwest ties, but it would be hard to pull one under the rug of the SEC. They know the Big 12 will try and make a big move eventually.

BYU-They are about the only school to the West that I would even consider. Considering they are Independent now, it may not be a bad option, but you would have to hit a homerun with the second school you brought in.

Memphis-I agree with you

Air Force-Don't see that one at all

TCU-Texas and A&M would never allow it hence the reason why they went to the Big East. Competition for recruiting.

Boise State-I like it, but unrealistic as you stated

Louisville-IMO is primed for the picking-Play in a weak and fragile Big East. Their athletic department has a ton of money and they are looking to improve on the Louisville football brand. They have the money, resources, stadium, and facilities to make a major move. I just feel they are capped out in the Big East.

Cincy-I hadn't hear that one either, but I like the idea. It all depends on the questions from above that I posted.

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 4 months ago

Would this really help anybody? The tv contracts are written and contain X amount of money. If the conference went to 12 schools, I'm imagining X/12 would be the revenue, as opposed to X/10. I'm sure the contracts could be rewritten, but unless you pull a Notre Dame, I can't imagine why the networks would want to do so.

Bear86 6 years, 4 months ago

Memphis and Louisville are not the future of the conference. The future is to get out of this Texas ran conference. F-Texas!! & F-Beebee

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

What is your plan? Not many options out there unless you make the conference you're already in stronger.

kcglowboy 6 years, 4 months ago

The lead story in The Star today coming out of the conference meetings is that everyone is happy with the status quo -- that there's virtually no chance of expanding beyond 10 teams. And why would they (aside from pleasing their fan bases)? Our gazillion-dollar TV contract with Fox is set. The current teams will share that wealth 10 ways ... why would they want to split it 12 or 14 ways?

Hank Cross 6 years, 4 months ago

L'Ville and Memphis would've been outstanding pick-ups for the B12 had UT and the the others left.

BUT - UT was never going to leave. It was a bluff to get the conference down to 10 so they wouldn't have to worry about making a last second FG against NE to go to the BCS championship. UT will make more $$ with the Longhorn Network that it did in the B12 Championship game w/o the risk of misstep on the way to the national championship game - so there won't be any expansion.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

Ummmmmmm what has he done? In the past month there have been two articles about how quiet he is at meetings!!! Oh and one about how the biggest sporting event he has been to as an ad is the mvc basketball tourney!!!! Dudes sitting in his office cashing checks while every team except for basketball (which has a couple of problems too) finishes in the cellar. He's done nothing to those coaches, and has made no personal moves inside the ad staff. Heck his one hire he had to make was a flop marketing guy from st. Marts of the blind in Florida.

Hey "little engine that couldn't" we are waiting for something. . .anything!!!

gdkadjayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Looking at your last sentence, many on this site would say the same thing of you...

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 4 months ago

You don't go firing coaches when you first take the job. Let them fail for another year, then you do it. If you're mad at anyone, be mad at Lew. He hired Gill and has let the womens basketball situation get this far. I doubt Gill and Henrickson will have much more time.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 4 months ago

Gill lost to a 1-AA team, and was blown out in nearly every other loss, with the exception being Iowa St, when the only lost by 12. He has shown NOTHING in the way that tells me he is a great coach, and he doesn't coach in a fertile recruiting ground. He plays Oklahoma and Texas every year. It is only a matter of time before he gets fired, and KU has to eat some of that money. Do it now, while there are plenty of good head coaches available that want jobs. I.E. Rich Rodriguez

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 4 months ago

No if you read what I said, then you will clearly see that no ad will come straight in and fire coaches. He will give them a chance. Gill deserves more of a chance than does Bonnie, but whatever. I was saying that do it while there are great candidates available. I was using Rich Rodriguez as an example. I certainly would consider it if KU stinks it up again this season, and goes 3-9 or worse. The longer he stays, the worse it will get. Bonnie can GTFO right now.

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 4 months ago

Rich Rodriquez proved he could win in a crappy football conference but did nothing except get Michigan investigated while in a major conference. And Tressel? That dude has gotten in all kinds of trouble, both at Youngstown and now at Ohio State. We will never win as consistently as those programs and neither of those guys could do it without getting their schools in trouble. I'm not seeing it...

Ryan Gerstner 6 years, 4 months ago

Gill will get at least 4 years. At Least. After that point, if he proves to be incompetent, then we'll obviously go another direction. You don't fire a coach for inheriting the worst team in the Big XII after year one like some of our idiot fans wanted to.

As far as the Big XII, we're not expanding unless it's Notre Dame or someone that enhances the league revenue. Why would you just hand money to some other school that hasn't earned it?

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

I know L.E.T.C. didn't create the problem, but he did inherit it and has done nothing to solve it.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

L.E.T.C. Little Engine That Couldn't

But if you want to talk about turner. . . Really?!? Some me the rankings!!! Because they are on par with the previous classes. Not to mention behind 6 of the teams we will play and barely ahead of mu and ksu who had limited number to offer (like we will have this year).

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 4 months ago

I love how you say "barely ahead of" when it fits your argument, but don't use "barely behind" when it doesn't. We were roughly the same distance ahead of MU and KSU as we were behind OSU and TT in Rivals rankings. Keep trying, most of us can research this ourselves.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 4 months ago

Let's see him develope talent. God knows he cannot coach it!

Benjamin Jones 6 years, 4 months ago

Maybe Beebe should wear a tie and start looking a little more professional, instead of like a couch potato.

Scott Oswalt 6 years, 4 months ago

That's what I was thinking. Hey Beebe, you're lucky the Big 12 didn't get scrapped last year. Maybe take things more seriously, and go about things differently so you don't run into the same problems in the future. I get a bad vibe from that dude....

Patrick Leiker 6 years, 4 months ago

Take things more seriously like sign a highly lucrative contract for the Big XII's Tier 2 rights? Like he just did?

haydenhawkco 6 years, 4 months ago

Zenger to Beebe - Nice work but next time do your job and don't let TCU bolt for the Big East Conference.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 4 months ago

I say .".JUMP SHIP". TCU is joining the Big East and they are further west than we are. If we joined that league it would have two nine team divisions for basketball:

Syracuse, St.John's, UConn, Villanova, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Providence, USF, Georgetown in the eastern division.

Pitt, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, Depaul, TCU and Kansas in the western division. Virtually every Kansas league game would be a friggin' highlight game of the week!!!

For football you would have Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, Kansas, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, and U. of Southern Florida. [Notre Dame still thinks they're good so they remain independent].

And don't start about in-state and traditional rivals....you could play a home and home preconference game against Kansas State and Missouri in basketball and schedule both as the first two games of the football season.

The Big 12 is going down sooner or later. I say let's go for it!!!!

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm with you! Let's be proactive instead of reactive.

drewdun 6 years, 4 months ago

The Big East is crap, and KU would be a terrible fit in it.

The Big 12 is fine, KU fits very well in it, and it's not going anywhere.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

That is pretty naive. It will expand or dissolve. They had a shot to start soaking up these nearby football schools like TCU and Boise St. but did nothing, so I'm guessing it will be dissolve. Also, why would Nebraska bail for the Big 10 if there was a future here?

Best guess. It's gone in 3 years.

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 4 months ago

The Big East makes chump change compared to the Big XII, because basketball doesn't pay the bills. It's a football world and the Big XII still has Texas and Oklahoma. The Big East has... {crickets}

Tony Bandle 6 years, 4 months ago

I am sure Texas is going to happily share all that money they are going to make with their own network, but I have to admit, it is going to be a problem when Texas forms it's own league and we're left standing out in the cold.

WAC, here we come!!! :(

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 4 months ago

If you can name a conference that would take us and still provide the kind of revenue we'll make in the Big XII, let's hear it. And if we end up in the MVC or WAC, so be it, a new WAC or MVC would probably bring in as much revenue as the Big East does now. At least this way we get to ride Texas coattails for the time being. Now if you're suggesting we try to muscle into the Big X, SEC, or PAC 12, great...but I haven't heard anybody saying they'd take us!

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

You have to look at the Big East with two separate entitites. Actually, you shouldn't even consider the basketball side of the conference even though it would be completely stacked.

Football wise the conference, I"m afraid is less stable and more fragile than the Big 12 was 9 months ago. Big East is not the future, at least in terms of football.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 4 months ago

drewdun..I respectfully agree that the Big East is crap in football, that's why we would fit in and be competitive.

However, to indicate that a conference with UCONN, Syracuse, St.Johns, Louisville, Notre Dame, Marquette, Villanova, Georgetown and Pitt is crap in basketball is baffling , to say the least.

Kansas would be with the big boys such as ourselves versus the proverbial "big fish in a small pond" like we are now.

Besides, I am sick and tired of taking it in the end from the Texas schools...screw 'em!!

[Respectfully submitted as a rebuttal with no malice intended.]

lfigment99 6 years, 4 months ago

You at least have ahpersecoachingexperience agreeing with you although after seeing his/her posts, I think you would be better off without that buy-in.

kureader 6 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't quarrel with your interest in the Big East, but the Big 12 decision has been made, and the new TV contract puts KU in a competitive position with schools from other BCS conferences. The motivation to change is behind us.

The real problem is that KU and K-Straight are probably a "package deal". That's unfortunate for KU, because it prevents us from pursuing creative changes, including the one you described.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 4 months ago

OH, Crap, crap, crap.....I forgot about that. Thanks for the heads-up, kureader. There goes my grandiose plan. Also, you are right about the new TV deal that rockchalk 1990 referred to. It "ain't" bad.

Let's reset; who do we pull in to make us a "True Twelve" again??? Houston? Colorado State? Wichita? Creighton? SMU?

The choices are underwhelming!!

kureader 6 years, 4 months ago

You got that right. I'd like to have Arkansas, but they don't have alot to gain by switching.
Our Texas and Oklahoma counterparts would probably put the kabosh on any additional Texas or Oklahoma Teams.

Bear86 6 years, 4 months ago

Note to Zenger: Do not trust a worthless Big 12 commissioner that bends over and takes Tx *%#@ down the ole dirt road.

Get us out of this conference now!!!

F-Texas!!!!

F-Beebee!!!

ozzzy 6 years, 4 months ago

I remember reading all the positive posts from fans on this site about how great Beebe was for saving our conference when all hope seemed lost. Please don't forget we were very close to being in a terrible situation. Sure it could have worked out alright in the end, but I think it is pretty low for our fans to be trash talking Beebe. In my opinion, all KU fans should hold Beebe in pretty high regard, not tearing him apart.

kureader 6 years, 4 months ago

For awhile, it really did look like a disaster waiting to happen. I don't know what role Beebe played in making things work, but we certainly landed on our feet.

Orangedog87 6 years, 4 months ago

Not sure how much credit Beebe gets for saving the B12 last year. There was an article last year not here but maybe at FOXSPORTS that an AD from some unnamed school outside of the B12 got involved as well as others to help Beebe as he did not like what was going on in terms of the impact to college sports.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 4 months ago

ESPN and and the Fox Sports Network is what saved the Big 12.

FLJHK 6 years, 4 months ago

The only conference I would ever think of as desirable for KU to leave for would be the Big 10. It is a good fit academically, culturally and athletically. Time will tell on that one. In the meantime I love them eating crow after NU lost their AAU membership.

I'm not discontented with the present make-up of the Big 12, although I'm still a bit shaken from the events of last year, and I'm not sure I'll ever again be comfortable with the notion that the Big 12 offers long-term security in its present form.

While expansion is not currently necessary, I prefer to be proactive. My top two choices, as I stated many months ago, are Notre Dame and Air Force.

Notre Dame has resisted the Big 10 due to revenue sharing issues. They are a unique situation with a national following and if anyone deserves a Texas-type of deal, they are it. I'd have no problem with them getting such a deal with the Big 12. They would bring a huge fan base, history, integrity and an outstanding academic reputation. They are not an AAU institution because they are not a major research institution, but their undergraduate educational offerings are top-notch.

Air Force is a less obvious but still compelling case. No, they would not bring major athletic prowess, although they are solid. But the Big 12 has plenty of strong athletic programs interspersed thoughout their institutions so it's really not a major need. And Air Force would not weaken the pedigree. But they would bring a culture and integrity to the conference that cannot be under appreciated. I think they would be a very interesting fit.

Louisville and to a lesser extent Memphis certainly have some desirable attributes as stated by KUShaw, but I don't think their total package is as impressive as either Notre Dame or Air Force.

AZHawk72 6 years, 4 months ago

Good thoughts on expansion, Shaw...

...just that it has to be Louisville and Cincinnati because I question the Memphis commitment to football. Cincinnati begs to play Ohio-State annually, and they're lucky if they get one game every 20 years. They hate the Bucks, love their football, sent a good coach to the 'Dame, and produce some good ballers--and there wouldn't be any fall-off in b-ball.

Louisville lives to hate Kentucky and has elevated their pigskin action over the years, so this would be a great get. This conference needs two teams that live to beat Kentucky in basketball and Ohio-State--that's healthy for the Big 12, that's balance for the conference.

Other options aren't good. TCU seemed to be an obvious "get," until I read that they'd leave if the Mountain West took Baylor--and Texas and their disdain for TCU, forget it. BYU is trying to do a 'Dame and promote their religion through a football team without bicycles, yet I feel they fear the arrival of Boise St. There was a time long ago when the Oklahoma schools were touting dump Kansas State for Arkansas. Well, I don't know what was said or promised, but some bad feelings linger, leaving some Okies with grits on their faces, and the Razors joining the "other USC" to the SEC.

Louisville and Cincinnati wouldn't be any stranger than a too western Nebraska in the Big 10 or a too eastern Colorado in the 12-pack. Would someone please email Bebee?

Robert Brock 6 years, 4 months ago

Louisville, TCU, Cincinatti, Memphis. Not good.

Stay with the same clubs unless something with substance happens. Name the conference "The Current Ten."

Chris1955 6 years, 4 months ago

I've been a broken record on this topic in the past. Texas has aspirations, and indeed, probably already begun the trip down the road toward becoming Notre Dame II, that is, independent. I think the days of the Big 12 are numbered.

As posters have stated above, rather convincingly in my opinion, is that there are no "winners" out there for the Big 12 to attract. This is what will lead to the disintergration. Geographically, culturally, and on an academic reputation level, KU and MU fit better with the Big 10 than anywhere else. Providing that the Big Ten would actually expand to a 16 team conference, and become the "Naming Rights" 16. Why would the Big 10 take KU and MU, instead of taking 4 other eastern schools?

Consider these reasons: Geographical balance for the Western portion of the Big 10. These two schools have the AAU credentials, which the Big 10 takes pride in. Beyond Pittsburgh and Rutgers in the East, who else would the Big 10 bring on board in the East? Syracuse? No great TV market in Buffalo NY. No great football program. UConn? If Rutgers is brought in, you already have the NYC TV market. UConn has no great football program. Any other nominees? WVU? Notre Dame? I dont think so.

To the folks who throw out the "what about KSU...." Okay, politicians have the potential to do anything, be it sane or crazy. However, every state has only one flagship university. Is anybody making the claim that KSU is the flagship univesity in Kansas? You could still legislate that KU and KSU play each other in football and basketball every year. At the end of the day, is it better for one school to shine in a powerhouse conference, or both schools getting stuck in a mid major conference?

Jaminrawk 6 years, 4 months ago

I get Beebe was kidding but I always hate the whole "lose the tie" schtick by "cool" upper management folks. Hey, if he wants to dress professionally, let him. Beebe was the same guy a year ago that was wearing a tie, hat in hand, begging Texas to take more money and not leave the Big XII.

actorman 6 years, 4 months ago

Great Post ??????

IrishDaddy is a one trick poster !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

face facts folks...................

"I know Beebe is somewhat intrigued by this round-robin venture that the Big 12 is going to implore ..."

Why would the Big 12 need to beg for the round-robin venture if they already have it? Just wondering. Or could you possibly mean "EMPLOY?" (Sorry, KUShaw, couldn't resist.)

"They had a shot to start soaking up these nearby football schools like TCU and Boise St. ..."

Boise St. is nearby??? Do you mean relative to the distance to China?

On a completely different note, I just got cast in a show where I have a couple of nice kissing scenes with an adorable 24-year-old. The problem? She went to Northern Iowa. Does taking the part make me a disloyal Jayhawk? Just wondering ...

actorman 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, this is weird. The first part of my post was in response to a post by IrishDaddy, and I thought I was being quite clever. Then when I went back to view it, the post by IrishDaddy had completely disappeared, no doubt leaving some people scratching their heads and wondering what the hell I was talking about. Bizarre ...

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