Monday, July 18, 2011

Bill Self, Lon Kruger to attend Illini alumni event


— Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self and Oklahoma coach Lon Kruger will attend University of Illinois hoops alumni weekend events in early August, the university has announced. Self will attend a reception on Aug. 5 honoring his 2001 and 2002 U of I Big Ten championship teams. Former Illini coach Kruger will attend an alumni game on Aug. 6.


ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 4 months ago

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AZHawk72 10 years, 4 months ago

Hey, at least he respects tradition--no matter how difficult it may be. He did a good job there, and taught most knowledgeable college basketball fans the employment of two interchangeable point/shooting guards at the same time. I was impressed.

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 4 months ago

I'm sure he's going for the players. The school treated him unbelievably bad when he left, not just the fans.

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Hunch 1: Bruce Weber may be wearing out his welcome and be on the way out in a year or so, and the Illini AD is probably wanting an Okie Baller to replace him. Maybe Self and Kruger will advise on the replacement?

Hunch 2: Self and Kruger want to cement their ties with UI, as employment back-ups, because they know that in this topsy turvy world of fickle loyalties in college basketball that you always want an option in your hip pocket, no matter how solid things seem today.

Hunch 3: Self and Kruger want media exposure in Illinois to aid in recruiting in the Land of Lincoln. Positive exposure vis a vis Illinois can only enhance their entre up and down state.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 4 months ago

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jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

No one love Bruce.

He has hung on from the inertia of what Kruger and Self built, when they turned that cess pool into a basketball program again.

Bruce can coach, as he has proven.

But his elbows destine him for past tense.

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

I had hoped Janks would replace Bruce, but after a swift start, Janks has struggled with bringing the bodies into Illiinois State and so he probably isn't hot enough for the ILLINI. But Janks would be perfect to get the program back into the Okie Baller tradition it ought to be in. The Illini's true legacy with Lou Henson is something to fear and flee.

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

"Self vs. Kruger: The Collector's Edition"

Self is the greatest Eddie Baller of his generation. Period.

Kruger is the greatest Jack Hartman Baller of his. Period.

Starting this season, twice each season, and probably a third time in the B12 Conference tourney, and maybe a fourth time in the Madness, the two greatest Okie Ballers of their generations, are going to square off.

Each time they meet, it is going to be a clinic in Okie Ball that the world's great coaches will be watching, and a clinic that every other coach and basketball fan that truly understands the game, will want to TIVO for posterity.

Opportunities like this come rarely.

Usually the pitting of exceptional opposing coaches in a conference involves coaches from sharply different coaching trees. From Phog vs. Iba to Coach K vs. Roy, the great minds often differ greatly. Wooden vs. Newell. Wooden vs. USC's great old coaches: Sam Barry, Forrest Twogood and Bob Boyd. Wooden vs. Ralph Miller. (Is it any wonder Wooden became the greatest having had to compete against all those seminal basketball thinkers, especially during his first ten formative years?). Dean Smith versus Coach K. Dean Smith vs. Frank McGuire (when McGuire went to South Carolina). Dean vs. Millikan at Maryland. Dean vs. Driesell. Larry Brown vs. Billy Tubbs (Tubbs was an underrated genius, despite never building a great career record and his brand of ball will be rediscovered some day and further developed). Nolan Richardson vs. Rick Pitino. Self vs. Turg. Self vs. Knight. Self vs. Barnes. And so on.

Self vs. Kruger represents something completely different.

It pits two brands of Iba ball against each other. It pits Eddie Ball vs. Jack Ball...Eddie Sutton vs. Jack Hartman.

Self vs. Gillispie came close, because Billie assisted Self, but Billie was so green.

Self vs. Sadler came close, too, because Sadler came out of the Okie Baller tradition, but Sadler just has not had the career success that Kruger has had.

To reiterate for back story for the millionth time, Eddie Sutton and Jack Hartman, plus Don Haskins, constituted the greatest direct disciples of Iba ball ever produced, maybe the three most important disciples of a single head coach ever produced.

The college game today largely has its origins in these three coaches, though some coaches back east would beg to differ, and perhaps be justified in doing so.

FoCoCoHawk 10 years, 4 months ago

Billy Tubbs' brand of ball: "Don't shoot unless you have the ball."

Steve Brown 10 years, 4 months ago

and Tad Boyle is the Ted Owens baller connection.....and the hip bone is connected to the thigh bone and the jawbone is connected to the

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

But look at Texas Western and you see the prototype for today's game and team, for today's length and athleticism, for today's gritty toughness, combined with its glue and impact players.

Look at Eddie's UArk team with Moncrief, Brewer and Delph and you see the prototype for the 3 combo guard offenses of today.

Look at Jack Hartman's Walt Frazier teams and Mike Evan's teams and you see the prototypes for today's hyper athletic, do-everything, guard-play driven teams (and Hartman was doing it before the trey stripe got painted).

Eddie, Jack and Don contemporized the Two-or Three and Glue philosophy that Iba apparently taught them.

And Bill Self hybridized Eddie with LB.

And Kruger? Well, Kruger picked up some first hand pro influence that Bill has not really had.

But Bill and Lon have converged in all the important ways.

And now they are going to square off and see who is really the best Iba Baller.

What can we expect?

We can expect 70 point take what they give us to meet 70 point take what they give us.

We can expect a first five minutes of some standing around in half court, then alternating squirts of getting up and down the floor, then some standing, then some taking what they give us in MUAs involving impact players.

We can expect some SERIOUS defense.

We can expect some incredible counter strategies and river boat gambles when you least expect it.

Its going to be one of the greatest coaching clinics of this, or any decade.

Its going to happen in the B12.

Its going to be stunning to watch.

Get out your iPads, and start taking flipping note, and make sure you record them for posterity. Everything you want to know about where the game has been and where it is going will be front and center.

And an Okie taught by a Kansan is going up against a Kansan taught by an Okie, and bragging rights for the Kansas and Okie traditions of college basketball are at stake. And no matter who wins, both some of both traditions win.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 4 months ago

Great analogy on these two. Sometimes your literary prowess & hoops IQ (as Buckwheat once said) is just "simply a'mazin'."

Woody Cragg 10 years, 4 months ago

Off topic, but hope HCBS was smart enough to stay away from the David Salina's investment scheme. Apparently Doc, Scott, Lute, & Billy G. weren't. This breaking story could swing open a helluva lot of coaching doors all over the planet. After the SEC gets done with this, who knows where the implications will fall? Surely not in Kentucky or the NCAA itself? The proverbial tip of the iceberg men!

Funhawk 10 years, 4 months ago

Alternate Headline: "Bill Self Returning from the Grave in Champaign" Fun Jayhawk History - Flashback. Source: Chicago Daily Herald, December 13, 2003 "I wore a black tie and black pants and black sport coat'' and I told them before the game, 'This is a funeral. I'm going to throw a funeral. It's the end of Bill Self.' Its over. There's no more comparing. He's gone. No more talking about it. I'll be honest: I'm fed up with it. "I had one guy say if (Self) was coaching here, you would have beat Providence by 10. Well, when I faced Bill (when Self was at Tulsa and Weber at SIU), with 13 minutes left in the game at SIU we were up 27 points. "Then, when we faced (Illinois at Las Vegas) we had them down the stretch and he had three NBA guys and we had two guys in the (NBA) developmental league. I don't know. Unless he's a miracle worker, I kicked his butt in both games.”

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Three things:

1) The story does not mention method of suicide and that reputedly sometimes translates into "suicided" in these kinds of cases. You know, the person committed suicide by shooting himself more than once, or he gave himself trauma with a blunt object before jumping out of a window, or he shot himself in both eye sockets, or he committed suicide ond place, but the body was found in another.

2) I don't see any evidence presented here indicating that there was any quid pro quo between investing with the investment counselor/coach and getting preferred access to his players (just a journo wondering).

3) I too hope Coach Self avoided this guy.

For what its worth, I am not yet clear on how this would necessarily lead to a crime, or a rules violation, on the part of coaches involved.

If a quid pro quo were to surface about supplying players in exchange for investments; that could be tough and a fecal fan could begin to blow, kind of a "Breaking Bad" for basketball coaches.

But such quid pro quos would seem to be very tough to prove, however.

Funhawk 10 years, 4 months ago

“Self Checks Pulse after Weber's Illinois Ploy” by Andy Katz, ESPN, 12-16-2003. Bruce Weber didn't mean anything malicious toward Bill Self. Self isn't taking it personally. So, Weber, dressed in black, walked into the locker room before the Maryland-Eastern Shore game Dec. 11 and announced that Self's funeral as coach was at hand.
"I wore black to tell the guys that it's over, it's a funeral of Bill Self in that he's no longer the coach here,'' Weber said Monday night. "He's no longer the coach here, so we've got to move forward and go on.'' Self's reaction? "When I read it (Monday), I was laughing,'' the Kansas coach said. "My wife handed me the paper (the quotes were re-run in the local Kansas paper) and said you're not going to believe this. Once I did, the first thing I did was check my pulse and realized that I was still alive and said this is one funeral I'll delay as long as I possibly can. But I wasn't offended.''

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Some guys are funny. Some guys aren't. Bruce Weber isn't.

Funhawk 10 years, 4 months ago

What college basketball coach was the greatest comedian of all time?

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Not close. Abe Lemmons. If he were coaching in the internet era, every other thing he said would be tweeted and repeated.

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Wikipedia has a bunch of good ones, too.

My all-time favorite quote by Lemons is this one after Lemons was fired as head basketball coach of Texas by AD Deloss Dodds, a former head track coach.

"How hard is it to coach track? Tell 'em to stay to the left and get back as fast as you can." --Abe Lemons

My second favorite is:

"Hey, some places this would be a foul!" while at the scorers' table holding up a tooth that had been dislodged from the mouth of his player, James Washington.

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