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Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Jayhawks last in Big 12 in Directors Cup

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Kansas University’s athletic department ranked 72nd of 284 teams overall — last of all Big 12 schools — in the final Learfield Sports Directors Cup standings for the 2010-11 school year.

The Directors Cup assesses points for all sports and ranks all schools Nos. 1 to 263.

Texas A&M;, which accumulated 1,090.5 points, placed eighth to lead all Big 12 schools, followed by Oklahoma (No. 10, 1,064.75), Texas (No. 12, 996.75), Oklahoma State (No. 32, 635.5), Nebraska (No. 33, 634), Baylor (No. 35, 623.75), Missouri (No. 41, 535.8), Texas Tech (No. 48, 465.5), Kansas State (No. 58, 352.25), Iowa State (No. 60, 348.8), Colorado (No. 66, 315.5) and KU (No. 72, 265.5).

KU finished with more points than 11 schools in power conferences — the ones that net automatic berths in BCS bowl games (Big 12, ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC). Mississippi State placed 79th overall with 237 points, followed by South Florida (No. 86, 208), St. John’s (No. 94, 185), Marquette (No. 96, 177.0), Providence (No. 113, 150.5), Pittsburgh (No. 123, 135), Washington State (No. 135, 118.5), DePaul (No. 140, 114), Cincinnati (No. 150, 100), Rutgers (No. 158, 97) and Seton Hall (No. 238, 25). Of those schools, Marquette, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul have no football programs.

Stanford placed No. 1 overall with 1,550.25 points, followed by Ohio State, California-Berkeley, Florida, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas A&M;, Florida State and Oklahoma.

Comments

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 7 months ago

Can someone tape this article to "the little engine that couldn't" door so he sees it first thing in the morning, maybe read it to him, or draw him a picture. With the lack of coaching changes I don't think he understands what is going on.

And for those of you that will put this on lew, that's fine. I know "letc" didn't create the problem but he hasn't done anything to fix it!

Andrew Washington 8 years, 7 months ago

Wow, we finished ahead of 11 power conference schools-or only 8 if you subtract the ones that don't have football. This is really sad! This means that ku has one of the worst athletics departments for a bcs school....i always thought that k-state, missouri or iowa state had worse athletic programs than Kansas- but i guess i was wrong!

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

KSU beat us in 13 of 14 events this year. The only head-to-head competition we beat them at was one of two BB games. This is truly a sad state of affairs. How proud we Jayhawks are of our storied BB program but it seems to come at the high cost of every other sport. This needs to be rectified asap! Good luck ADSZ.

Andrew Washington 8 years, 7 months ago

How in the world did colorado finish ahead of Ku? Are they good at anything?

Jacobpaul81 8 years, 7 months ago

It's the other sports. Not Basketball and Football, that effect these numbers. Since the start of the 2000s, the following have NCAA titles:

Oklahoma State = 8 Texas = 8 Texas A&M = 8 Baylor = 2 Colorado = 7 Oklahoma = 6 Nebraska = 6 Kansas = 1 Kansas State = 0 Iowa State = 0 Missouri = 0 Texas Tech = 0

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Apparently not..but they are still better than us.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Notice that most of the top schools are southern schools. Strong baseball and softball programs probably help in the scoring.

I graduated from KU over 20 years ago and this is as bad as it gets. I'm not sure why Aphers drags his feet, of course Lew is responsible, he was in charge of KU Athletics. If he's not responsible, who is?

This is a big problem. I don't expect us to be ahead of the Ohio States of the world but KSU, ISU, Colorado???? That's ridiculous. Our goal should be to land in the top 25 year-in and year-out. We have a big problem and it's going to take some big solutions.

And please keep your "football and basketball are all that matters" comments to yourself. KU means much more to most of us than that. This problem needs to get solved or, as pointed out by NJ, KU could be in big trouble.

Jacobpaul81 8 years, 7 months ago

Colorado in the last decade has won 5 Cross Country Titles and 2 Skiing Titles. KU has 1 NCAA championship in that same period.

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 7 months ago

there was another article just before the NCAA outdoor track championships, and another ranking was the same thing....KU was last in the Big 12.

at that point, I wrote the same thing that I will write now.....Lew Perkins' regime was a complete and utter failure. his whole positive legacy is that of the seating priority of mens basketball. Under his watch, nothing occurred in our athletic success that he had any direct hand in....none. If you want to count whatever backroom deal Lew made to land us the Orange Bowl, then so be it. MM still had to guide us to the 11-1 season to get it...and other folks still had to actually win the game.

No, the Lew era didn't work at all....our sports teams are considerably less competitive, and womens basketball, his so called "expertise" sport because of UCONN's multiple championships, is the best example. He hires the coach, and we didn't win...in fact, no NCAA tourneys, not even a .500 league record in seven years.

K-State kicked our tail all year....swept us in VB, baseball, womens bball...beat us in football, and one game of mens bball...and even beat both our track teams...and our track teams were pretty good. K-State folks. if we can't compete with them, then we really have nothing to say.

I posted before as well, it's all up to Mr. Zenger. The overall culture of KU athletics is one of incompetence and malaise, and he has to cut through it....and forge a new path of competence and absolute focus. it will be very hard to do...but his legacy is written well, if he can do it.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 7 months ago

I must say that although I am saddened by our ranking, I really don't care. I really care about Basketball, Football, and a little bit of baseball. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

If I had to evaluate those, Basketball is at the top where it should be. Football was starting to come around and we are hoping with a new class that we will be better over the next few years, and baseball needs some improvement.

I think if this year there is no competitiveness in the football team like last year, Coach Gill should resign. I really hope that Coach Gill pulls this off though, I want KU to be getting bowl games.

Mike Nicco 8 years, 7 months ago

Big 12 athletic budgets.

By Revenue: UT: $120,288,370 OSU:$88,554,438 KU: $86,009,257 OU: $77,098,009 NU: $75,492,884 A&M:$74,781,640 CU: $52,631,896 MU: $49,113,786 KSU: $48,160,113 BU: $44,151,763 TT: $42,844,855 ISU: $38,642,013

By Expense: UT: $100,982,596 OU: $76,945,883 A&M:$72,449,292 NU: $66,862,007 KU: $65,707,114 OSU:$59,168,327 MU: $48,793,770 CU: $48,368,260 BU: $44,151,763 KSU:$40,409,150 TT: $39,247,970 ISU: $38,642,013

kureader 8 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the post, Eastbay. Where'd you find the info?

kureader 8 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the post, Eastbay. Where'd you find the info?

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 7 months ago

Interesting Information: I just took the Income minus the expenses, kind of interesting: osu: $29,386,111 ku: $20,302,143 ut: $19,305,774 nu: $8,630,877 ksu: $7,750,963 cu: $4,263,636 tt: $3,596,885 a&m: $2,332,348 mu: $320,016 ou: $152,126 bu: $0 isu: $0

Machawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Can anyone recalculate the Big 12 standings based on football, basketball, and baseball only? It would be interesting to see how that shakes out.

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Why not just limit it to BB...isn't that what you're looking for? Salvation? I doubt it would be much better anyway given KU's poor performance in football and very mediocre performance in baseball. BB can't carry the weight of the other programs.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Well - he DID ask for football, basketball and baseball. I wouldn't mind knowing that info myself. I personally don't care how many Livestock Judging Championships K-State has - although - them boys DO know their cows.

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Point is...KSU has been better than KU at everything...except one BB game. I hope that one game sustains you.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

squawk - what exactly are you talking about?

KSU has been better than KU at everything?

That is WITHOUT QUESTION the dumbest thing that has ever been posted on this site. Go back to the barn and study up on your cows.

Andrew Washington 8 years, 7 months ago

well k-state beat us in football and track swept us in baseball, vollyball and that was a pretty embarrassing game we had at bramlage ..so yeah its sad that k-state actually has better programs in general than ku. This article shows that most major schools have better programs than KU. I think that we should be in the top half of the big 12 and always be ahead of schools like k-state and mizzou!

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Over what period of time though? The past 2 or 3 years? I don't know about any of the other sports like rowing, chinese checkers or horseshoes, but I'll go out on a limb and say that our record is better than K-State's overall in football, basketball and baseball.

As a matter of fact - here are the actual stats:

Basketball all time wins - KANSAS - 2038 K-STATE - 1486

Football all time wins - KANSAS - 568 K-STATE - 459 (Can anyone remember BEFORE Bill Snyder?)

Baseball - who cares?

Just a little tidbit for all you K-State basketball fans:

Kansas is better than Kansas State historically

Kansas has more wins over the last 5 years than Kansas State (185 vs 132)

Kansas has more NCAA Tournament appearances over the last 10 years than Kansas State (10 vs 2)

Kansas has more Sweet 16 appearances over the last 10 years than Kansas State (7 vs 1)

Kansas has more NCAA Championships over the last 10 years than Kansas State (1 vs 0)

Kansas has more Final Four appearances over the last 10 years than Kansas State (3 vs 0)

Kansas has more NCAA Tournament wins over the last 10 years than Kansas State (26 vs 4)

Kansas has a significantly better overall winning percentage over the last 20 years (0.828 to 0.557)

AP voters think Kansas is better with more weeks in the AP Top 25 over the past 10 years than Kansas State (193 vs 42)

Kansas has been the favorite 39 out of the 40 times (i.e. everyone expects KU to win)

Kansas has an average margin of victory of 13 over Kansas State in 65 wins since 1980

Kansas has blown out Kansas State by 20 points or more on 13 occasions since 1996

Kansas has come back to win after being down at half against Kansas State 4 times since 1996

(stats are from statsheet.com)

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Talking about LY. As most KU fans say, "Who cares about ancient history?" See below.

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Well then let's look at the major sports for the 2010 -11 year:

MBB KU 90 KSU 66 W KU 68 KSU 84 L

FB KU 7 KSU 52 L

BBall KU 9 KSU 13 L KU 6 KSU 10 L KU 10 KSU 11 L

WBB KU 60 KSU 65 L KU 51 KSU 56 L

VB KU KSU L KU KSU L

Row KU KSU L

By my calculations KSU beat us in 10 of 11 head to head meetings. I wasn't sure how to score Golf or track but we didn't fair any better. Sorry if you bury your head in the sand but facts are facts. KSU kicked KU's butts in just about all sports last year. How dumb is that?

John Randall 8 years, 7 months ago

What was your evaluation when you looked at the 1win-13loss head-to-head results? At least KU broke even on the (men's) basketball competition.

You may now take home the "dumbest ever" award . . .

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Nope - gonna leave the dumbest ever award right where it was - If you're going to evaluate who's the best at what over a one year period as opposed to the long haul - then I guess every single college out there can claim to be the best one year or another.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

KU62 - First of all, I want to apologize to squawkhawk and to you for my "dumbest ever" statement. THAT was really dumb. I get a little excited about KU sometimes, but I don't want to make a habit of name-calling or character questioning. Sorry.

Secondly - am I missing something here? Seriously. I am a pretty hard core KU fan, and I get rankled when being compared to Missouri or K-State, but maybe I skimmed over something in these articles and I really don't get it?

I can't believe that there are any people on this site that call themselves KU fans and yet say that K-State has a better athletic program than us. Sure - they may have a better record one year, or two, three, four or five years. But you can't just look at that - you have to look at the whole picture. And when you do - KU is head and shoulders above them.

Anyway - sorry again about the stupid statements.

kureader 8 years, 7 months ago

I know this would be alot of work, but it would be more interesting to see a review of KU's relative performance in recent years, for individual sports.

Obviously, some sports have performed very poorly. But, there are other KU sports that have very respectable track records.

One certainly can't dispute KU's poor overall performance. But, is does seem that LJW routinely emphasizes only the "empty" part of the glass with their headlines and stories.

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Yeah but even KSU has two national debate titles to KU's one.

actorman 8 years, 7 months ago

Hey, I'll take a championship anywhere we can get it at this point.

actorman 8 years, 7 months ago

And KU's debate history is certainly something to be proud of, especially in helping to dispel the "Kansas hick" and "Wizard of Oz" stereotypes.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

What's the difference between the debate team and all of KU's athletic programs? The debate team wins.

actorman 8 years, 7 months ago

Good one, blackhawk (except you should have said "all of KU's athletic programs (sans men's basketball)").

squawkhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

Yet everyone puffs out their chests and rests their laurels on past history. The state of KU today is very sad. Other schools have caught KU and many have passed us in athletics and academics. Nothing to be proud of if you ask me.

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