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Monday, January 10, 2011

UM: Jayhawks tough on ‘D’

Kansas forward Markieff Morris defends as Michigan guard Darius Morris redirects his pass during the first half on Sunday, Jan. 9, 2011 at Crisler Arena.

Kansas forward Markieff Morris defends as Michigan guard Darius Morris redirects his pass during the first half on Sunday, Jan. 9, 2011 at Crisler Arena.

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Highlights: KU vs. Michigan

The Jayhawks defeated Michigan in overtime, 67-60 on Sunday, Jan. 9, 2010 in Ann Arbor.

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Michigan coach John Beilein talks to reporters following his team's 67-60 overtime loss to Kansas on Jan. 9, 2011.

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— Michigan basketball coach John Beilein says there was more that went into Michigan’s poor offensive effort Sunday than simply bad shooting.

“Kansas is really known as being a good defensive team,” Beilein said after his team’s 67-60 loss to Kansas University, “and they played us really tough.”

Michigan especially struggled in the first half, posting a season-low 18 points on 6-for-23 shooting. The Wolverines also had nine first-half turnovers, with Beilein commenting that KU’s players were “blowing up” Michigan’s plays with their defensive pressure.

“They guarded the heck out of us in the first half, and we did not get many clean looks,” Beilein said. “They’re so long and athletic — that challenges us right now.”

Overall, UM went just 4-for-28 from three-point range (14.3 percent) — its worst three-point shooting percentage in a game since the 2006-07 season.

The Wolverines’ top long-range shooters — Stu Douglass, Evan Smotrycz and Matt Vogrich — went a combined 0-for-7 from three.

“I’m going to be beating myself up until the Ohio State game (Wednesday),” said Douglass, who went 0-for-5 from three after entering as a 42.2 percent three-point shooter. “I know I shouldn’t be. But if one or two of those drop, it’s a different game.”

KU also forced 15 Michigan turnovers, which was above the Wolverines’ season average (11.3).

“We’re not going to play better defensive teams than that,” Beilein said.

Defensively, Michigan had success by switching to a 1-3-1 zone in the second half.

The Wolverines hadn’t had much luck this season with the zone until Sunday, but Beilein said he wanted to try it after it bothered the Jayhawks in last year’s 75-64 KU victory.

“We did want to change defenses on them over and over again, just because of their sheer talent,” Beilein said. “You’ve got to keep giving them different looks.

“I think that while their guard play is really solid, you really test your guards’ play when you do have those angles they have to read all the time.”

Beilein said he felt good about his team’s chances after taking a three-point lead in overtime.

“I really thought that I wouldn’t be standing here in this situation,” Beilein said. “We played well enough to hang in there on defense. Just their defense is difficult. They’re really long. There’s a reason why they’re such a good team.”

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danmoore 3 years, 3 months ago

Sometimes you have to win with defense. Fortunately, KU can play good D.

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William Blake 3 years, 3 months ago

B R E A K I N G N E W S !

Lawrence, KS. It appears that Enes Kanter will finally make it out of the NCAA eligibility court and onto a collegiate basketball court. The former University of Kentucky recruit transferred from Kentucky and has landed in Lawrence, Kansas, home of the Kansas Jayhawks. Coach Bill Self was elated with the news, and Kanter has been declared eligible for the remain part of the Jayhawk's 2011 season.

Kentucky coach John Calipari was noticeably upset in an interview held earlier today. Calipari sent a harsh statement to the NCAA rules committee, who earlier this morning cleared Kanter for eligibility at Kansas. A tearful Calipari stated, "I don't get it. I've made an entire career based on a strict code of ethics. What did I do to deserve this? Worldwide Wes cleared Kanter for us. We'll find a way to get even with the NCAA."

Kansas University officials became swept up in the news of the new Jayhawk and wasted no time in promoting the potential future Kansas star by placing Kanter on their official 2011 Kansas Jayhawk calendar. When asked where the game photo of Kanter wearing a Kansas uniform was found, university officials declined to respond.

http://slauunsp.info/university-of-kansas-jayhawks-basketball-2011-wall-calendar.php

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Jack Wilson 3 years, 3 months ago

(cont) 13. However, it appears we win most of the close games. Look at this season. Coach Self knows how to win close games. Actually, yesterday was a great demonstration of how well this team is coached. We won. That's what counts. No question coach Self knows how to win the close game. 14. However, does playing to win the game at hand, with that tunnel-vision focus (which seems apparent, though I'm interested if other disagree on that assumption), have a negative impact on being ready for March? As I've posted before, would there have been more foresight in playing EJ in crucial 2nd half and OT minutes .. say 6 - 7 minutes in the last 10, and 2+ in overtime .. to get the guy aclimated to such an environment? If EJ would have cost us the game playing the minutes as suggested, would we be better off with EJ getting the experience and being 14-1, or being 15-0 and without it. Same said for TRob (though TRob's lack of PT may be more related to his missing practice). 15. Is it coach Self's style .. both in his approach to regular season games, and general coaching philosophy (possibly being overly conservative), that makes KU more prone to the upset in March?

I would offer that I saw three big things yesterday that caused me to believe coach Self is playing it too conservatively .. EJ, and possibly TRob, were not in the mix late; we refused multiple opportunities to drive and penetrate against the 1-3-1 (which was a spread out, more half court trap set); and we did not push the ball up the court despite multiple opportunities. Overall, I felt we just looked hesitant on the offensive end .. don't know if that was observed by others. It seems that once a teams eliminate our big lead, we then take more of a command of the game. Not really sure here.

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Jack Wilson 3 years, 3 months ago

A few takes from the game, 24 or so hours later. 1. NCAA basketball on the road is tough. Really, a win is a win. 2. Coach Self's teams over the past two seasons have failed to step on the throat of opponents that were down. 3. Last season, many, including myself, saw this as a forecast of things to come. 4. The Michigan game was the UNI game. That is how we lose to UNI. 5. Stepping on a team's throat by a basketball team is more difficult to coach than in football, for example, where a coach has more control over plays, schemes, etc. 6. Stepping on a team's throat is coachable in basketball. It is a mentality in basketball that is borne through coaching style, practice approach, mentality-building, in-game demeanor, and in-game management. 7. When you coach conservatively in football, it is very difficult to step on a team's throat. 8. It is more obvious in football than in basketball, when a team is playing conservatively. 9. In basketball, a few tell-tale signs to look for are hesitancy on the offensive end, refusal to take open shots, hesitancy to create, refusal to take risks, change in rotations, refusal to push the ball up the court .. because of the understanding of what the coach wants. The aforementioned result in many times poorer shots than would otherwise be taken, lost opoortunities, and an equalization of talent because of a hesitancy to do what makes us better than the opponent. But another big sign is a team that when the other team catches up, then puts the team away because they go back (either mentally or in actuality) to playing their normal game. 10. This team has all the signs of a team that is "coached" conservatively in all aspects, but particularly when we have larger leads. It seems we just get a bit more stiff and hesitant. It is not different than in a football game when a team up by 13 in second half doesn't throw the ball down the field at all, or stops blitzing, etc. It is a recognition that we're up, and we don't want to screw it up. A mindset that the other team is going to have to do the work to beat us, and we're not going to beat ourselves. 11. Coach Self plays to win each game, full out. No other considerations. Win the game at hand, and move on. I believe that is in his mind. 12. Coach Self reverts to his comfort zone in tight games, and becoming conservative has possibly put this team in multiple spots to lose close games.

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 3 months ago

Kubie, you probably wasn't awake to see when they put Brady in the game, the margin between Michigan and Ku, KU lost the lead they had, every time. Ku was ahead by 11 points, Bill puts Brady in for 6 mins, when Brady left the lead was down to 5. He hasn't had a decent game since he has been here nothing but, a total dud.

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 3 months ago

Keep Brady on the bench would be a great help. His scared faced play and non production doesn't get us very far.

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Steve Gantz 3 years, 3 months ago

The funny thing is if KU won a shootout, even if it was in OT, say 95-91, we'd all be saying good game, let's tighten up the D a little bit. But when the opposite happens it appears as if we're stinking up the joint and everyone starts ragging on the coach, on Brady, on Withey, on Tyshawn, on the Twins, etc. etc. Defense is ugly but it wins games. Michigan knew that and also knew they couldn't run with us.

Our lowest scoring games this year? UCLA 77 Close Colorado St. 76 Not close USC 70 Close UM 52 not counting OT Very close

The tapes of these games should be used as a primer "How to beat KU"

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leonard 3 years, 3 months ago

"Self credited freshman guard Tyshawn Taylor, who is starting to emerge from the pack of Baby Jayhawks as Voted-Most-Likely-to-Become-KU's-Lockdown-Defender...

I'm still not convinced he's a lockdown defender,” Self said of Taylor, smiling, “but he's moving in that direction. I see a guy that's 6-3, he's long, he can slide, he's quick as a cat, he's got good hands. There's no reason why, if he learns positioning and has toughness, that he can't be a good defender." ----Bill Self, Dec 2, 2008

"He's a good player that hasn't played as good as he's capable of playing...he needs to be a lockdown defender for us. He'll get it. He's had a little bit of a sophomore funk, so to speak." ----- Bill Self, Jan 23, 2010

Well, here we are...half way through Taylor's junior season and we're still waiting on that consistent lockdown defense from him. Much like Self's earlier admission this year that we'll just have to put up with Taylor's inconsistent ball handling skills...I'm resigned to the fact that he's not going to fulfill his promise as a lockdown defender on the perimeter.

Sure, he'll have some great defensive moments during the course of a game but after watching him for 2 1/2 seasons...short of some grand epiphany on Taylor's part...I am not counting on consistently great defensive efforts from him.

Is he vital to the success of this years team? Damn skippy.

Am I glad he's a part of this year's team? Another damn skippy.

I can live with the bursts of excellence between those other lost moments.

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truefan 3 years, 3 months ago

No reason to hit the panic button yet, but we had some really suspect play last night. Selby having an off night had little to do with the struggle for the victory. We didn't play through our bigs at all and our guards were running the ball up the court with 5 minutes left in the game and a 9 point lead. Had they slowed it down and taken 35 seconds off the clock for 3 possessions we would have ended it in regulation with a 10+ point victory. Instead, 3 quick possessions with 3 turnovers resulting in 6 points left us with a small lead and plenty of time left to piss it away.

I'm not sure what they were doing out there or why Self wasn't stopping it, but it needs to be fixed before we run into some real competition in the Big XII. Iowa State is decent this season and we alwasy struggle in Ames. If we don't work on the 1-3-1 zone we'll have many more of these frustrating games and potentially a few losses that shouldn't have been.

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William Blake 3 years, 3 months ago

bb73: For the most part, our guys kept their emotional side under control. The referees were pretty consistent; they let both sides get away with fouls. There was the bad call where one of the twins got hacked on the shot, they missed it and UM took the ball down and was fouled and put on the line.

However... for those fans with DVR... I believe it was the time out at 9:40 left in the first half. A couple seconds before the network break for the commercial you see one of the twins (I think Marcus) slightly push a UM player while walking back to the huddle. Stupid stuff like this can be whistled and T-d up, and bring the home crowd into it. I think CS is going to have to stay on the message of discipline and playing under control for a bit longer.

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Thomas Michaud 3 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate, Maybe I overlooked it in your post somewhere, but why didn't Beilein play a zone in the OT? Was it to show a "different defense" than what they'd just played (and beat the Jayhawks) with? Did he think that Self was prepping his team prior to the OT for the zone? Beilein's decision to not keep with the zone was the most puzzling to me.

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lincase 3 years, 3 months ago

Response point 1: Coach Consonants is a great nickname, Jaybate. I'll try to remember it. Response point 2: Whether you use the "good" team in the first or second game of a close two game stretch might depend on the teams you are playing. Response point 3: I believe you might have been a student of mine. He never used one word when ten would do the job. You are the Princeton offense of posters, but I do enjoy your posts if I can persevere.

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yates33333 3 years, 3 months ago

I thought the refereeing got progressively worse as the game went on. MU players straight out shoved Marcus in front of a ref and nothing was called. I know Big 10 basketball isn't for the weak and clinging but that game was ridiculous. I guess if you are pretty sure you will get beat without fouling you might as well foul. I hope the Big 10 doesn't share these refs with the Big 12 as used to be the case.

KU's defense was A+++ in the first half and pretty darn good in the second. Clark Kellogg is knowledgeable about basketball and had some good comments. Vern Lunkhead hasn't learned anything in 40 years of broadcasting. He still views the game from his Texas Lutheran University experience. The media fires Ron Franklin and keep Lunkhead. Think about it. You think CBS pays his food bill while on the road?

I suspect KU is going to face slow downed offenses and zones during the Big 12 season. Let's hope they have their shooting caps back on.

Hey, Jaybate. Why don't you apply for a job as BB announcer on CBS?

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KU_FanSince75 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey, it's a full-court press by Jaybate!

It is nice to receive complements from the opposing coach. I thought our defense most of the first half was an "A+." We still, have not put together a full 40 minutes of good basketball. When that happens, it will be beautiful.

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

~Closing Point 1 to remember about this game: Self once again let his team labor for this victory. Self didn't give them one single edge in the game. He didn't let them go double team the ball before the ball screen showed up. He didn't let them use the 1-2-2 zone press, or any press really, to disrupt the Princeton scheme of Beilein's. He didn't let them switch in and out of zones. Self said, "Nope, I'm going to make you guys earn another one on your own, before conference starts and I start helping you again." Clearly Self played his staring five so much not because the subs couldn't have stayed on the floor and contributed, but rather to force the starting five to start thinking of themselves that way. Basically, he was telling his starting five, "If you are my starting five, then go prove you can win one on your own, without me, and even without your second unit. Just go out and play nearly 40 minutes and show me you have what it takes." They did. Barely.

Closing Point 2 to Remember about this Game: Board rats who say Self should have been willing to take a loss today and should have played all the subs have not recognized what I described as Self's purpose today. Self was completely willing to lose this game. He did not play his starters almost 40 minutes, deny them any wrinkles, and any strategic help, because he didn't think the subs could handle it. They could have, though KU almost certainly would have lost playing them, because of the awful shooting. Again, the goal was to make the starting five win one entirely on their own, and he was willing to take a loss in that pursuit. He got lucky and didn't have to. His first five is now going to have much more confidence in themselves than previously. They are going to view them Self as KU's real first team.

~Closing Point 3: I suspect we will see a return to the two-unit strategy for most conference games during the Saturday Monday phase coming soon, and in the conference tourney and Madness, where games are separated by a single day.

~Closing Point 4: Don't go to pieces worrying Self doesn't trust the subs. He does. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Self put the subs under the gun to win one in Ames now. Some of it will depend on what kind of game ISU plays, but if ISU is playing at all conventionally, the subs may get the next test of nut size.

Closing Point 5: The reason to bring Little back is what happened to Travis today. Injuries happen.

Rock Chalk!

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

~Tyshawn played another brilliant defensive game, but his ball handling showed cracks against Beilein's zone which was used in part precisely to expose those cracks. Tyshawn will learn how to handle that zone in a practice, as 100 said. Tyshawn was a fine player today. On a day when Selby cannot dazzle with his scoring, you can see starkly just how much better of a floor game Tyshawn has. On defense, he is two full years ahead of Selby, even though Selby is a good solid defender for a freshman. Selby defensively is about what Tyshwan was as a freshman. Tyshawn is just an awesome defensive PG.

~EJ didn't look very good for the same reason as TRob, but looking ugly against the Princeton does not mean he would have been unable to get the job done if needed. He didn't play much for reasons I describe at the end.

~Tyrel? Solid floor game, but he's a senior and we need him to shoot us out of those kinds of situations, not be one of the guys who shoots us into them. Clearly, Beilein had studied Tyrel closely and IDed which parts of floor to take from him. He succeeded. Tyrel can't let that happen. He needs to shoot a lot of j's out of the deep corner, because he's going to start seeing that spot being the one allowed him more and more.

~ Withey? Little was more likely to be let on the floor than Withey against that rough of a Princeton.

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

~Brady's slump looked over today, but again, it was the Princeton and the Princeton always makes the experienced guys look good in comparison to young ones who just wanna have fun in transition (anyone remember girls just wanna have fun?). But to say his slump is over, we have to see him play well in a fast paced game, too.

~A Selby/Brady committee will be a team strong suit, especially if Travis, or Little can be brought in for the not infrequent big 3s.

~Marcus played an anchorman's game. Considering how ugly it was out there, he played exceptionally well and except for not getting a strip, had a near perfect floor game. Maybe he should have gotten some blocks, too, but Beilein probably routed the shooting away from him. And he was just getting butchered out there and did not let it distract him from doing his job, as he has for several games.

~Self playing five starters an average of 35-38 mpg vs. UM signals may also signal an interesting twist on the likely Saturday-Monday use of the two-unit strategy. There is a game two days after UM, so it seems a test case for the Saturday-Monday strategy. Self plans to play the starters as many minutes as it takes to win the first game, and then come early and often with the subs the second game. This is the reverse of last season, where he tended to rest players the first game, so they would be strong for the second game. It will be interesting to see how well it works. It puts a huge amount of faith in the reserves ability to deliver the second game. Self seems to be not only thinking outside the box this year, he seems to be pitching his tent outside it.

~TRob looked awful not because of his loss of a grammy, but because the Princeton, the real Princeton played the way Beilein has them playing it, exposes all of TRob's weaknesses. He's not good at chasing still and he's not good at making lots and lots of choices, as that offense forces defenders to make. He will look much better against the next conventional offense KU meets. Even so, he could have played more and been reasonably effective.

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

~Coach Consonants apparently plays the paradox therapy game with the refs on XTReme Cheap Shotting. He works them hard before the games and hard during the games about the other team making dirty plays, then, boom! he appears to have one of his player do an unforgiveable cheap shot. The refs look paradoxed even on TV, like clients and patients do when a professional paradoxes them. They refs appear actually to blink. And unable to think about the two extreme opposites, they move on to relieve the dissonance. It works every time. I've used it. And it works again and again and again even in close sequence. The only way for the client patient to avoid being paradoxed is to go in aware and refusing to bite on the reality of the set up. Once they bite on the set-up, the follow up paradoxes them whether they know its happening, or not.

~Self still feels self conscious about doing paradox therapy on the refs, and hates the XTReme Cheap Shotting, too. The way he is trying to mask what he is doing (and masking is one of his strengths in most things), when you don't need to mask it at all, indicates to me that his conscience may get the better of him and KU may give up XTReme Cheap Shotting before too long. While a morally respectable choice, it will sooner or later be strategic suicide. To beat cheap shotting, you either have to do it back as a countervailing force, or you have to come up with something better. I don't believe there is something better. I believe that until you can get the refs to eliminate XTREme Cheap Shotting from the game, you have to do it, or see your players badly hurt, lose the game, or both.

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

~Selby is a freshman. He's up and down. He clearly had never dealt with the ugliness of the Princeton before. He muddled through. He got 4 assists and played some good defense. If he wants to get consistent, he'll probably have to stay another year. But its okay, because he's a terrific streaky player. Some one noted Sherron also had bad games. Exactly. Sherron was a little streaky. Selby is waaaaaaaaaaaaay streaky. ralster noted he just needs the minutes to get over being streaky. Rarely disagree with ralster, but this time I must. Streaky guys don't need minutes to get less streaky. Only a couple of seasons of hard work and maturity reduces the lows of streaky players. They need big minutes now to learn how to do other things to compensate for when they are in bad streaks. Selby learned tonight how to play a floor game against a Princeton team. At first he had no clue how to deal with what UM was doing to him and to KU. But he started to get it late in the game. He got 4 assists and couple of boards playing 35 second chase. He coughed 3 TO fur balls; that won't do against the Princeton in the future. He'll learn playing Princeton is foremost a protection racket. He was way less bad than most freshmen on their first tastes of the Princeton system, and Beilein has UM playing it much better and smarter than that joke at Colorado and now Wake Forest. Beilein is a rmasterful old coach, who happens to be using the Princeton. The Wake Forest guy is just doing what his mentor told him still.

~Selby played a solid floor game, which indicates we can live with him on his off nights, while we give Brady 15-18 minutes to let him enable the inside game and drive the baseline and pass to the corner to Tyrel for 3s.

~Brady was subbed quickly, because he is the right guy to play 35-second chase at the frequency of Quaker State sloshing in an oil pan.

~Brady got his 18, because he came out of his slump and was the right guy for the slower tempo.

~Brady would have gotten 20-22 today, if Brady had not done the knock down pick aka an XTReme Cheap Shot on Tim Hardaway 2.0.

~A pattern is emerging with Self's version of XTReme Cheap Shotting. You do the cheap shot, as planned, and then Self acts all indignant and pulls you out to minimize the blow back from the refs. Did it with Marcus in the elbow incident. Did it with Kieff in the last game. Did it with Brady v. UM. This tells me his heart is really not in this; that he's still feeling way too Protestant about it. XTREme Cheap Shotting is going to have to go like the adoption of the hack'n'slap. He as to be bold about it, the same way Coach Consonants is.

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jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

"UM Forensics"

~Except for awful shooting by both teams, it was a typical Okie Ball vs. Princeton game. Beilein chose to eliminate entirely KU's transition game with the stretch, 1-3-1 match'n'trap zone on one end and the Princeton offense on the other. Beilein just said, "Sorry, KU, you don't get to beat us with athleticism. You're going to have to grind it out and chase to beat us."

~Self, sticking to 70 point take what they give us Okie Ball, said, "FIne, you are giving us the baselines, so we'll play through Marcus and Kieff down there and we'll trifectate between the point and wing, and from the corner." In essence, Self said, "we'll shoot the low percentage shots you are giving us, because we are better shooters, and because Marcus can be the difference on the baseline." As usual, Self was right. This strategy, though frustrating to fans of transition ball, always looks ugly, but always gets the W against Princetons with less talent.

~With even 30 percent shooting from trey, it would have been a blow out win for KU.

~With even a 20 percent day from trey, it would have been a close win for UM.

~Hey, that's what Princeton ball is all about. Keep it close. Hope the opponent with more talent has an off shooting night, play for a late shot to win. It almost worked, as Pete Carril drew it up.

~What Self did not count on was 16% trey shooting, and another 1-10 turkey by Selby. Only one, or the other, and its a regulation win for KU. With both, all bets were off, emergent complexity rushed in, chaos took it into over time, the last thing a Princeton offense wants, and KU's greater talent finally got a chance to tip the scales.

~Selby has now plotted a second way low data point that combines with his way high data points to indicate he a scorching hot, freezing cold kind of a shooter. S-T-R-E-A-K-Y. As Self said when Selby joined the playing rotation, "He's a guy who can really juice it." We know know that that he meant exactly what he said. Selby "can" really juice it, but when he can't, nothing much squirts out.

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