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Monday, February 28, 2011

How Keegan voted: Feb. 28, 2011 college basketball poll

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The following is Lawrence Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan's Associated Press college basketball ballot for Feb. 28, 2011.

  1. Ohio State
  2. Kansas
  3. Duke
  4. Pittsburgh
  5. Texas
  6. BYU
  7. Purdue
  8. Notre Dame
  9. San Diego State
  10. Wisconsin
  11. Louisville
  12. St. John’s
  13. Syracuse
  14. Florida
  15. North Carolina
  16. Arizona
  17. Georgetown
  18. Connecticut
  19. Villanova
  20. UCLA
  21. Vanderbilt
  22. Kentucky
  23. Texas A&M;
  24. Missouri
  25. Temple

Comments

Adam Evans 10 years, 9 months ago

Hrm interesting. St. John's higher than average, BYU way lower than average, and KU #2 despite having a better showing than OSU in the last two weeks....

Kye Clark 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree with Keegan on everything you pointed out except BYU. They went on the road and beat San Diego State, while Texas choked away a 22 point lead at Colorado, and he has Texas ahead of them? BYU is the real deal. I know being from a non-BCS conference lots of people - media and casual fans alike - have a tendency to dismiss them or downplay their accomplishments, and until a person grasps the magnitude of that game they won't take BYU seriously. The first match-up was called by some as the biggest non-BCS conference game of the modern era. BYU won. Now had they lost the rematch people would likely have looked at the games as a wash, two good conference teams each winning at home, and the victories by both schools would have been diminished. In winning on the road in a very hostile environment (Andy Katz said it wasn't on par with a big game in AFH or Cameron Indoor, but it was close), they should now be viewed as a legitimate Final Four contenders, and treated in the polls as such.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm fine with Ohio State being where they are. No bad losses (road losses to Purdue and Wisconsin are fine) and both were hard fought down to the wire.

By the numbers BYU seems to be a very solid team but I haven't watched much of them. Supposedly the Mountain West has a solid RPI, but does it really have the power teams? I mean, the Big 12 has a solid RPI and that is WITH teams like OU and Tech dragging us down (they had terrible out-of-conference performances). So they look good, but I'm not sold yet.

Actually, I'm just happy that people are finally off the "UT IS #1" bandwagon. Where are you at now Gottlieb?

Mike Skiles 10 years, 9 months ago

I would agree that Jimmer is the real deal, he has skills. But really - pull up the 2010-11 schedule for both BYU and San Diego State, and then say the teams are for real given who they have played. Having a high RPI and SOS based on playing unranked teams in their conference and few noteworthy out of conference foes (mightly UCLA beat BYU), doesn't impress me. Rather, it shows the weakness in the statistics calculations. I may have to eat my words in the tourney, but I remain skeptical of both teams and their lofty ratings. Who would you rather see facing you in the tourney - a St Johns team, or BYU?

Spencer Goff 10 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, I'm sort of in agreement with you. I tend to hate the East Coast bias, but if you were to ask me if I thought BYU would have this kind of record (or even close) if they were playing Pitt's schedule I would have to say an emphatic "no way."

Don't know, tough call. I'd say reward them, but put the team that was the next closest to a #1 in their bracket.

Either way, I'm sure Duke will have to play a 9th grade junior varsity team three miles from their campus to get into the Final Four.

Kye Clark 10 years, 9 months ago

How is BYU's non-conference schedule much different than KU's? Both team's biggest win is against Arizona. Who else did either of them beat? And in conference...The Big 12 is pretty weak. Two power teams, just like the Mountain West. Saying how would BYU do against Pitt's schedule...I don't know. How would KU do? KU struggled to put Arizona away, and narrowly escaped defeats against USC and UCLA. Does KU's non-conference performance inspire a lot of confidence?

It is true that the RPI and Kenpom ratings are not the be all and end all of how good a team is. St. John's was brought up. They have 9 losses, and these ratings take into account the total body of work. That's not to say they aren't playing better basketball than maybe anyone right now. But if you start going down that road, and since what we were originally talking about is rankings in the polls and potential #1 seeding, how would someone feel if St. John's was ranked higher than KU right now? Or if they got a #1 seed and KU didn't because the committee felt St. John's was playing better basketball and decided to simply overlook the 7 more losses? The polls as well as the committee determining seeding take into account the total body of work.

I'm not saying BYU is better than KU. Both with 2 losses and BYU's are worse than KU's. What I am saying is they should be ranked higher than Keegan has them. Ahead of Duke and ahead of Texas (obviously even more so now that Texas lost at home tonight, but I would have ranked them above Texas before tonight's game).

Spencer Goff 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you saying Texas is overrated? Because I have been saying that for a month now. Are you saying that BYU should be ranked as high as KU? Because I don't buy that for a second, and I'm probably the last homer on this website.

And here, let me do this: "The Big 12 is pretty weak. Two power teams." Let's fix this.... "The Big 12 SOUTH is pretty weak. NO power teams."

/fixed

Adam Evans 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree IC. I think BYU is better than 6 most definitely. I don't think they are in competition for #1 in the rankings at the moment, but they are definitely a #1 seed right now. I'm okay with OSU being ahead of KU, but I do think KU deserves #1 just as much as OSU right now. KU has no bad losses just like OSU, and has shown better as of late than OSU. But it really could go either way. No idea why ANYONE had DUKE still on their #1 ballot in the AP poll. That just makes no sense.

xfitter 10 years, 9 months ago

How is Duke, Texas, and Pitt still in the top 5 after losing to lesser and non-ranked opponents but SDSU lost to a team one or two spots behind them and they almost drop out of the top 10. I agree that BYU and SDSU haven't really played anyone, but Duke has dropped 3 to non-ranked weak ACC teams and Texas has lost 5 games now with 3 pretty bad ones in there (NU,CU, USC) yet they're still in your top 5?! Pitt didn't even move after a loss. Get with it!!

jayhawktalk 10 years, 9 months ago

I probably would have dropped TX down to #9 or #10, and swapped Purdue into the #5 spot, but other than that, looks pretty good. There aren't many teams in the top 20, as listed above, that wouldn't make me nervous if we were going head to head with them, except maybe Wisconsin and Florida, so much parity.

BYU and SDSU are wild cards. Tough to spot them.

Good to see St John's getting some love. Lavin has done an amazing job. I was shocked during a recent game to see Gene Keady on their bench as an assistant coach. I had no idea, and had to google it to make certain my eyes weren't playing tricks on me.

GilbertAZ 10 years, 9 months ago

I would have went..

1.Ohio St 2. KU 3.Duke 4.BYU 5.Purdue 6. Notre Dame 7.Texas 8.San Diego St 9.Pittsburgh 10.Wisconsin

Eric Williams 10 years, 9 months ago

you do realize Duke just lost to VaTech, a perennial bubble team.

Adam Evans 10 years, 9 months ago

Not only that, but they just put UNC in position to win the regular season ACC title in a VERY weak ACC this year. Why should DUKE be in the top 5 at all if they haven't even locked up possibly the weakest or second weakest big 6 conferences?

Notre Dame should not be ahead of Pitt. ND is very good. Pitt is still better, and winning the best conference in the country (or tied with the Big 10).

Other than those 2 things, the list looks solid. I don't want KU #1 going into the tournament. Bad juju.

JHAWKNPHX 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't mind being shotgun. We have a big week ahead of us and maybe this will keep the boys hungry. We will have a big target on us this weekend and being #1 would have made it worse. In 08' we were always on the hungry side because we never got the respect of being the best (until it mattered). Screw Mizzou!!! RCJHK!!!!!

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Show your big 10-11-12 roots, Keegan.

Time to put up or shut up.

Who do you think is going to win the Title Keegan ?

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

A few questions? A) Your bias should naturally be to KU, please show it... It clearly is a toss up, make us proud. KU tougher schedule, so better wins.
B) Texas is still overrated in your poll, has been all year. C) Really St Johns...I realize they have big wins, but they also have HUGE losses (even at home)...It is the season not just the last 3 weeks.

As the selection committee chairman said, number of wins speak the loudest...that does not sit well for St Johns.

Eric Williams 10 years, 9 months ago

St. John's is in. Their early losses are bad, but since January they have played extremely well. And wins against UConn, Pitt and Nova among others are better than most bubble teams' wins.

Kye Clark 10 years, 9 months ago

St John's is easily in. Right now Joe Lunardi (who is usually pretty dead on, and I couldn't fathom him being this far off) has them as a #4 seed. I wouldn't want KU to be the one seed in the same region as a #4 St. John's team.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Not arguing whether they are in or not, but the #12 team in the league is overstated. They are about 10-12 seed.

Eric Schneider 10 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, St John's is in easy. They're going to finish in the top 4 of, by far, the best conference in the country. Nobody can claim the number of high quality wins they have. They only have 2 bad losses. UCLA has been as good as anybody in the country since February started. And until the last week and a half St. Mary's was looking like a lock for the tourney.

We are where we should be. Ohio St. has better losses. Close road losses to ranked teams. We got blown out in both of ours. One to an unranked K-State. The other at home. I think we're built better for a deep tourney run. But the Buckeye's body if work is better right now.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

If you buy into the logic that the teams that Ohio State lost to are Better than the teams we lost too, Which I do not. Don't get me wrong, they play some good basketball in the 10-11-12, but I don't think Purdue w/o Hummel and Wisconsin are world beaters. They are solid home teams ( Like K-state ), and as the last two weeks have proved.... We only lost to texas Because of Thomas's robinsons Situation..... We dealt with that as a team, and clearly our guys were more than torn up about that. We will likely meet them again in the big 12 tourney ( if they get their feet back under them ), and we should prove our superiority then.

If you were to play out the scenarios right now, I think K-state* would beat either Purdue or Wisconsin on neutral court. Texas would beat Wisconsin I believe but not Purdue. Both games for texas could go either way, but one a neutral court I would say Purdue would beat Texas as Currently constructed.

*- Assuming Pullen's wrist is NOT Broken.

As for St. Johns and the Least, I don't know if anyone in the Least is actually all that good. They all seem to have glaring holes. I could still see the argument, but let's be honest..... Ekpe Udoh returning and a fullseason of MacGruder playing like he did tonight and K-State and Baylor are probably fighting this bad boy out instead of Texas and Us. A couple teams really had some bad departures, and it's hurt them.

St. John's In my eyes is a very VERY deadly team. Lavin-Keady bench is tremendously experienced. St. John's had Norm Roberts before they came along to teach Norm's kids how to play physical basketball in the guise of OLE Purdue hack and slap. Alot of Seniors, and a Kid that hit's nba+ range daggers with quite relative frequency...... If it makes even remote sense I expect them to be the 4 or 5 seed in our bracket, against a very very corruptable 12/13.... It's just the NCAA's way of saying..... Yeah but...... They seem to play small which makes them a more punchy version of Nebraska, and their ability to hit shots on the perimeter will surface a glaring weakness we have yet to curtail..... depending on the scenario this coud be terrible for us..... However, this is a team cpabale of winning the big Least Tourney, which would be a benefit to us because we would likely see them in the elite eight or more likely final four n that scenario..... THe later we meet them the better.

Interseting match up in that game would be Mario Little for us... as his size is very similiar to alot of their bigger posts.... He could have a field day on St. John's

Eric Schneider 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm going to have to disagree with you on Purdue. I live in Indy so I see a lot of them. And while I hate the Big Whatever conference, I have to admit that Purdue is better than anybody in the Big XII except us. Jujuan Johnson is going to make Jimmer earn the National POY. And Moore is about as clutch as they get. They've provided leadership that I thought Purdue would be missing with Kramer graduated.

I have to agree with you on the Johnnies though. Kevin Hardy is the type of kid that can get a team to the Sweet 16 all by himself. Notre Dame, though is the team to watch for me. They can flat out stroke the ball. And the physical play that is allowed in the Big East, and which gave them trouble, won't be allowed in the tournament. That's also why I think Pitt won't get to the second weekend. I think they'll get into foul trouble.

WilburNether 10 years, 9 months ago

The polls are stupid nonsense, created by the media to give them something to write and talk about.

The stupidity is best illustrated in this week's poll. Villanova dropped four spots after losing two home games. Arizona dropped eight spots after losing two road games.

Huh?!?

Only idiots would vote that way. No one can possibly take these people seriously. The media can write and talk about them, and I will ridicule them.

REHawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Kansas right where it needs to be, knocking loudly at the door.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago

Keegs bucking for that Columbus newspaper job.

Keep it up!!!

Sooner or later someone one in the B10 will notice you. :-)

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