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Monday, February 21, 2011

Tyshawn Taylor suspended for violating team rules

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pressures Nebraska guard Lance Jeter during the first half on Saturday, Jan. 15, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pressures Nebraska guard Lance Jeter during the first half on Saturday, Jan. 15, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Kansas men’s basketball coach Bill Self announced Monday morning that he has suspended junior guard Tyshawn Taylor indefinitely for violating team rules.

“Although we are disappointed in Tyshawn, he will remain a member of our team and practice with our team until he is reinstated for competition,” Self said in a release.

Taylor has started 26 of 27 games for KU this season, averaging 8.8 points per game. The Hoboken, N.J., native ranks third in the Big 12 with 4.7 assists per game.

KU plays host to Oklahoma State at 8 p.m. Monday night.

Comments

ChicagoGman 9 years, 8 months ago

Hopefully this is HCBS sending him a message. I thought his lack of playing time on Sat was pretty telling of the eroding trust in his decision making. Maybe he acted out at the seeming lack of PT? He played 4 min less than normal and still turned it over 4 times. Strange stat line....3-4 from 3pt range, no 2 pt field goals made, 1 of 6 from the line, 4 TO's, 5 assists.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

Perfect timing! Put a fork into this season.

Greg Lux 9 years, 8 months ago

Put a fork in who .. sure as H not KU... We are not a one player team .. we have plenty of talent to fill the gap .. Oh yea of little faith !!

Rock Chalk

Chris Phillips 9 years, 8 months ago

What difference does it make? I don't recall any rules being published for public consumption. The coaching staff set up the team rules, the coaching staff determined that the rules were broken, the consequences have been determined and now he is paying for his mistake. Let's hope this is the last example Coach Self has to make with this team this season.

Matt Bowers 9 years, 8 months ago

Breaking News Hawks!!! TT suspended for getting tail at Allen Fieldhouse with KU women's basketball player Marisha Brown. Hey, at least it's not for smoking weed, fighting a football player or beating his "believed to be girlfriend." But the real topic of discussion should not be whether or not TT makes a difference on this KU squadron. Let's ALL just face the music...the Morris twins are the lifeblood of this team. Point Blankin.

Rock Chalk

Michael Auchard 9 years, 8 months ago

I wonder what happened. With Tyshawn, you kind of assume the worst.

Kevin Crook 9 years, 8 months ago

This team will go as far as TT can take it this season. He needs to be really sharp defensively, and he needs to not turn the ball over on offense. He also needs to be an important cog in our team's chemistry. This is really disappointing for a junior, and the "team leader" point guard. Come on TT, we need you at your best!!!

pvf20 9 years, 8 months ago

Team Leader? This guy never was and never will be the team leader. We all new this was going to happen sooner or later. Tyshawn Taylor was never happy this year. You could see it in his play. It never looked like he cared out there. He does have a lot of talent, his mind is just not in it. It sad, I actually like him and hope he turns things around.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

100% agree. He has never shown signs of being a leader on this team. He's probably a nice young kid, just cannot seem to focus and get his priorities straight.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn might not be a good team leader, but I understand exactly what kevsum is saying here. Point guards run teams. Without a good point guard, teams become disjointed and lack rhythm. Point guards create for others. Heck, we still have to play Mizzou once more, and one can argue that he is the most important player against their press. I hope he is reinstated soon.

murph 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree completely that "without a good point guard..." Did you happen to watch the K State game? Perfect example. And who was the point guard again? Oh, yeah - Tyshawn. You see, we haven't had a "good point guard" all year, 'cause TT just flat isn't good. He has an abundance of talent and a total lack of interest in the team. He thinks it's spelled with an "i". This is a great example of addition by subtraction. Without TT and the myriad of distractions he brings we're a far better team. Even if the guards who are left don't have the same physical abilities he does, they have something far more important - the will to win coupled with the willingness to be part of the team. Bottom line - this is a win for the team.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

"Without a good point guard, teams become disjointed and lack rhythm." Bingo! Why change things now?

ChicagoGman 9 years, 8 months ago

Call me crazy, but I just don't think this hurts us nearly as bad as you do, (considering the negatives surrounding his play). Tyshawn doesn't exactly bring a bunch of intangibles to the table like leadership. Just my opinion....but of course I've been very critical of his play this year, tons of turnovers, inconsistent play on D. Other than speed, what has he consistently done for the team as of late?

NorthStarHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Chi Gman...If you're crazy, then I'm riding in the back of the same panel wagon with you. TT....gifted athlete: absolutely. That just about sums it up. He's a head case. I don't recall as much disruption on a team both on and off the court as there has been with TT on board (the only exception to that statement might be JR Giddens). He's a third year starter with the mental poise and leadership of a filly in a corral full of overheated studs. "Disrupted and distracted by the crowd at K-State"??? Come on...that won't bear well deep in any tourney. He has a focus and self-image issue. I agree that I don't think this will hurt us. Going forward, we need to court a team with focus, consistency and presence. Let him come off the bench from here on out. I seem to recall he did much better last year when that was the position he was in. No proof, but I personally feel he has issue and feels threatened with Selby's presence on the court. Just sayin'.

coloskihawk 9 years, 8 months ago

wow someone with a good opinion on actual basketball skills!

Matt Bowers 9 years, 8 months ago

The scariest thing is that TT is mentoring Selby. TT has had too many chances and has done nothing but disappoint. From the incident with the football team, to facebook, comments to the press, always putting himself before the team, and most importantly not taking pride in KANSAS. I believe in second chances, but this is out of control. To me, TT is this seasons JR Giddens....point blankin.

TT. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Think about that.

Tonight there will be less turnovers, less trouble, less stress, which equals more focus as a team. Sacrifice one and save the rest.

Rock Chalk

texasdochawk 9 years, 8 months ago

On the contrary. We will definitely be better without TT. Insert KU OSU results tonight. Great JOB ELIJAH!!!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

+1
A season to be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

jayhwkroks 9 years, 8 months ago

Good Lord, what is up with this team! Just when ya think things would get turned around for the better, another black eye shows up and tarnishes the program!!!!!

cleifer 9 years, 8 months ago

Do we have any starters besides Reed who aren't somehow shady?

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 8 months ago

T rob, reed and releford. but other than that..... maybe jordan junerman? (however his last name is spelled)

esubrett 9 years, 8 months ago

Way to prove you have grown up and learned from your past mistakes.

sdolars 9 years, 8 months ago

I bet we have a season low in turnovers tonight

phi4life940 9 years, 8 months ago

haha....i'm crying on the inside but this is funny.

tntmac 9 years, 8 months ago

LOL that was my first thought also!!

lace2b4 9 years, 8 months ago

I totally agree. I also think that we will show a lot more effort on defense. His great athletic talent teamed with his lack of effort at times makes me question whether or not he really wants his team to win. I think that he is better off riding the pine for awhile until he is ready to play some D.

jayhawk1996 9 years, 8 months ago

Yet another reason why this group, despite a likely No. 1 seed, won't be playing in Houston in April.

Andrew Moore 9 years, 8 months ago

If I were a betting man, I would guess the "team rule" he violated is one of the following (listed from most likely to least likely):

  1. poor academics or class attendance
  2. curfew
  3. alcohol and/or drugs
  4. acting out against team mates or coaches
  5. a terrible social networking mistake
  6. falling asleep during a game

Jacobpaul81 9 years, 8 months ago

With a woman's player also being suspended, I'm going with No. 5 and maybe No. 3.

Greg Lux 9 years, 8 months ago

6 - For how long? Game is 40 mins ... 10, 20 ,30 ... and does he have to be snoring to qualify as asleep?

I am sure if it was #6 he would have been suspended after the first game.

TT really love ya guy .. just having a little fun at your expense .. Whatever you did get it fixed and get your head back in the game. We need you on the floor "Awake" doing whatever you can to help us be the best.

Rock Chalk

Stan Unruh 9 years, 8 months ago

Time for Selby to do what he was brought in to do.

cozzhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

If I remember correctly some jerk on an earlier post said TT needed to stop smoking pot. Maybe he was right after all.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I apologize for adding speculation when we know absolutely nothing, but this was my first thought also: failed drug test. If that's the case, we may never hear what the "violation" was. Zero chance they release that type of information.

Bear86 9 years, 8 months ago

I also hear it's snowing in Hermosa Beach! F-Texas!!!

RockCaCO3 9 years, 8 months ago

Really? This close to March? C'mon Tyshawn, geesh.

Michael Luby 9 years, 8 months ago

No stuff! Seriously Tyshawn? Your done man.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

Look at the bright side...Ty will be here an entire other season!

pvf20 9 years, 8 months ago

I think this is good, sad to see a player with some talent miss games but TT(Tyshawn Turnover) was just not into it the last ten or so games. Lazy effort turnovers kill the team. I would rather have Selby out there trying hard and learning.

murph 9 years, 8 months ago

"Tyshawn Turnover"?? LOVE it!! Best.nickname.ever.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow, I just saw this come across on twitter and had to come 2 KUsports.com 2 see if it was true. Can't wait to hear Jesse update everyone on this later. This is one more example of what is / could potentially keep this team from achieving what they are capable of.... bad decisions, lack of leadership and character issues.

You would think a veteran Junior point guard would be one of the leaders on this team, unfortunately TT does not get that. You would think that all those players coming back this weekend would have really driven that point into this young teams head. I feel bad for Morningstar and Reed as seniors, they deserve these younger players sending them off with 150% effort.

On the bright side, maybe this will rally them around. Selby will finally get some playing time at point guard. Rock Chalk!

adamjhwkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Don't forget all, Selby is really an off. guard, not the point.

pvf20 9 years, 8 months ago

Rather have a off guard than Tyshawn Turnover Taylor.

kujosh3030 9 years, 8 months ago

Obviously you've forgotten that selby has been a point guard his whole life....time to see the real Selby now

ajhk 9 years, 8 months ago

If Selby plays in the NBA, he plays point. He's only an off guard here because self likes a guy with experience. What CS didn't think about is that some guys can't utilize and learn from experience so the accumulation of it makes no difference. We're look'n at you TT!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Selby is more of a true point guard than anyone else on this team .. what kujosh3030 said x 2.

ibleedku 9 years, 8 months ago

This doesn't hurt the team at all. So Selby or EJ? Thoughts?

TanMan 9 years, 8 months ago

Both... BTW, if you've watched KU at all there is only one time in a game when the PG plays the most important roll...shotclock is off and we're playing for one. This offense rolls thru the bigs (or should) so plug-n-play with the guys on the floor and don't worry about who the leaders are and who gets the min. HCBS will take care of all that.

ChicagoGman 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed, but just look at Brady's minutes in the last game, 36 I think. Even if he weren't so hot, Bill would have given him 30 min. It just shows you who he trusts. Sure, EJ and Selby will get more minutes, but our team doesn't ever depend on 1 guy to bring it up the floor 100% of the time. I have a feeling we are going to be seeing PG by committee.

kubsdrvr 9 years, 8 months ago

This kinda sucks. Now Cozz is starting the rumor mill. Let's pull behind this team not shun them at every turn. Fair weather fans gtfo

DevilHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

This has been typical of Taylor's entire college career. The difference is that he is a junior now so these types of things shouldn't be happening.

cozzhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I wasn't starting a rumor. If you read my post correctly you will understand that. I am behind this team 100 percent. Obviously he did something in the wrong or he wouldn't have been suspended.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

Everyone on here is behind the Hawks.. otherwise they would not have an account on here or spend their time reading and making comments. I did not take cozzhawks comments the way you did. I think alot of people that have been following KU for years, have expectations for upholding KUs traditions on and off the court. TT has been given as many chances and support as anyone. One week after he talks about his bad play and decisions in the KSU game, he does something else to get suspended? Just seems like a selfish decision on his behalf to do whatever he did and let the team down. KU fans have been patient, but kinda like..fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.. patience is running thin for TT.

Ignorant_Yokel 9 years, 8 months ago

We should experiment running Brady at the point with Reed and Selby off the ball.

dylans 9 years, 8 months ago

Brady looked good running the point against CU.

plotku 9 years, 8 months ago

This has been my thought all year. Brady is usually good against turning the ball over, and he has been shoting like crazy from the outside lately. Yeah TT is more athletic, but I would rather have someone running the point that values the ball, and can draw defenders outside because of the threat to shoot. This should open up the post for whichever bigs play.

dree 9 years, 8 months ago

No way! Brady is one of the worst ball-handlers on the team. I'd rather have a Morris Twin bring the ball up the court. Brady picks up his dribble way too often and he has limited to no dribble penetration.

spinny 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed - seeing as brady has done good with handling the ball as of recently. Maybe even EJ will get to prove that he can play, something that he hasn't done yet.

Kurt Eskilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Little Milton! What a hilarious avatar. What does it say about you gerald? (From the cover of Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick."

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 8 months ago

A lot of people were calling for Tyshawn to not play, well, you got your wish.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 8 months ago

I am not trying to be humorous, but it seems as if TT suffers from attention deficit disorder. If this kid doesn't watch it, his life can go down the drain. Disappointment!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

I seriously think you may be right. I'm not hating on TT but if this is true, he needs help. There is something wrong.

Ron Artest type behavior

But Artest is getting help and providing help to kids with similiar disorders. He didn't know it until much later in his life. The guy can play some bball and he's in the NBA. There is hope for TT yet.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 8 months ago

Definitely something behavioral. Focus, lack of focus, focus, etc. I pray that he can correct whatever is affecting him. He's talented!

gerald_bostock 9 years, 8 months ago

we really want selby at point? as good as he is, he's still new to the team. why not reed at point?

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 I like reed at the point. smart with the ball and will create well for others.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Problem is that Reed has issues going left, and isn't the quickest player in regards to his handles with the ball.

Other teams will definitely focus and exploit this if we start using him as our go-to ball handler....

Instead, we should get EJ as much time as possible. He's a true PG, he just plays nervous because lets face it, he gets yanked if he makes even the smallest of mistakes. Lets remove that worry from his mind and watch the kid do what he does...

gerald_bostock 9 years, 8 months ago

that makes sense, i just have a problem trusting anyone else at point. reed seems to be the smartest with the ball, but hopefully EJ would improve greatly if he was allowed to play through his mistakes... we'll see

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Selby's biggest issue, IMHO, is his lack of confidence in his ball handling. If he's playing pure point, I'm not sure the turnovers will cut down that much (if at all). However, he presents a far bigger threat with the ball than does Reed (Selby can take anyone at this level off the dribble with his speed). He may just have to have a baptism by fire, so to speak, and be shoved into the roll. Rotate between him and EJ with Reed remaining at the two.

4jhawks4ku 9 years, 8 months ago

Put Brady at point, Selby at 2, Reed at 3 Lets see what we got. Wish we had more practice time before tonights game.

Scott Oswalt 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. Have EJ back up Brady. This could actually be a positive for this team. Our turnover ratio will be much lower tonight. TT head still isn't right. COME ON DUDE! WAKE UP!!!!!!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure Self has practiced with similar rotations many times.

Michael Luby 9 years, 8 months ago

Yep, those are our starters, and actually they can all switch positions 1 - 3.

Jacobpaul81 9 years, 8 months ago

Based on defense, none of them can play the 3. Without Taylor, we really need Robinson back so Little/Releford can cover the 3 spot. We get killed if Selby & Reed are guarding a 6'6" small forward.

Joe Templeton 9 years, 8 months ago

Hopefully this motivates EJ and he get some well deserved minutes.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

I like EJ..I've never seen him not play hard but I haven't seen him do anything of note either. OK ball handler, below average shooter. Time to step up.

7texdude 9 years, 8 months ago

Wasn't TT out with Mario and company after Saturday's game? Maybe that had something to do with it?

Ben Kane 9 years, 8 months ago

At some point coach needs to take some responsiblity for all of these isues. I'm so sick of "violation of team rules" spit out what he did already.

gerald_bostock 9 years, 8 months ago

meh. as much as we want to know the juicy details, it doesn't really matter. these young players still need some privacy. we don't need to know unless it's illegal (e.g. brady's dui, mario little)

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Agree. Some things need to stay within the team, otherwise you feel no protection as a player. Arrests they obviously have no control over.

Uhjh 9 years, 8 months ago

With a couple of former teammates in town it's probably pot or alcohol.

Dale Kroening 9 years, 8 months ago

Probably pot or alcohol ? Really ? Do you have some proof, other than former players being in town, and Im thinking your referring to Mario ? Give me a frikkin break. It could be for a number of things, in after curfew, late for practice, bad grades, missed classes, or a number of other things that arent against the law, but violate team rules.We just dont know, and I have no problem with coach keeping it inhouse unless it was something illegal. I dont think its right to automatically think he was doing something illegal when there is no proof as of yet and just because a few former teammates were in town. And just to let you know, TT and Mario werent teammates. I dont recall X or Sherron getting in trouble for illegal substances at their rookie orientation either. I just think your reaching here. If he failed a drug test he would be kicked off the team for good I would think.

true_patriot 9 years, 8 months ago

Ding ding ding - probably the former.

I do think that, regardless of leadership quality, has been a great contributor to the team this year and has shown marked improvement, so I still would like to see him back playing as soon as possible. Just look at his numbers - for every weird miscue on passing for driving, he has many more brilliant passes and drives, especially as we got into the middle of the season this year.

Get your stuff together Tyshawn and help the 'Hawks come up big this year!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I wouldn't want it to be like this, but i'm hoping this means we finally cut the leash on EJ and he settles in and gets comfortable.

That is who should be taking the point... He just needs to not worry about getting yanked more than playing his game.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 8 months ago

its been said before, but we need selby and EJ to step up more than usual.... hopefully one or both of them are ready for the responsibility

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

I would not mind seeing the rock in Brady's hands. He is not as explosive as selby, EJ or TT, but he has good bball IQ and he can get the job done. The only negative about is pulling him off the wing and shooting the 3's. It would be great if EJ could step up and do some solid pt guard mins., dish off to selby, reed and Morningstar in the wings for some shots or feeds to the bigs.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Playing Brady at point kind of reminds me of Kyle Orton at QB: he won't turn the ball over much, but you might also only get 10 passing yards the whole game. It becomes a grind it out game, and our defense has to pick it up. I think it's probably the best option we have, but it does alter our game play somewhat. The game will have to run through the twins even more than it has been.

Michael Luby 9 years, 8 months ago

All 3 of them, Brady, Reed and Selby will be sharing that responsibility now. They will all start and the seniors will be out there to teach the young padawan the ways of the jedi

TanMan 9 years, 8 months ago

I see El Johnson getting more min. while Selby was injured and that will pay dividends when the other 3 2-Guards need a blow. However, this means its Selby-time. It means its time for him to step up and be agreesive in a Team-Game environment, not a Solo-Act roll. Just play within HCBS offense and play incredible D (to Phog_Loud's point in another post, D= Determination). Play determined and those little pimples on a donkey's arse (i.e. Paige, Pressley or even Pullen) won't make a differrence. Finally, C'Mon Tyshawn, Jayhawk Nation (i hate that phrase) has supported you since you got here and won't stop now...just do what is expected of you and don't violate anything except the guy you are guarding's personal space!!

Scott Oswalt 9 years, 8 months ago

Is it bad that I frequently check KUsports.com to see who is injured or suspended? Seriously.....It seems like something happens at least once a week. Hopefully everything will work out and we can make it deep into the tourney!

Scott Oswalt 9 years, 8 months ago

ya, we've lost 2 games. #2 in the country..... go blah yourself

xfitter 9 years, 8 months ago

Manhattan paper not putting out good enough stories? Go brown nose willey a little more, i hear he likes it!

Dale Kroening 9 years, 8 months ago

25-2, # 2 in the nation, and a likely 1 seed in the tourney. Have fun in the NIT kitty cats. And speaking of suspensions, Ksuck has NO room to talk MORON.

Brad Boline 9 years, 8 months ago

Your an idiot.That's all that needs to be said.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

got your limit? You've only been a member since today!! T.R.O.L.L.

Kurt Eskilson 9 years, 8 months ago

And speaking of "violations" … how 'bout that Curtis Kelly? What became of all that?

TanMan 9 years, 8 months ago

I can't believe KSU bothered to release a DVD of the game against KU last week. Someone posted it on FB and I had to check, sure enough you can buy one from the KState althetic department and the bookstore in aggieville. The poster also said they have a DVD from the 2008 victory...talk about milking it twice in 44 meetings. Its just that sad!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

They can enjoy the 2008 win on DVD all they want. I'll just pop in my National Championship DVD in the mean time.

Tyson Ailshie 9 years, 8 months ago

Definitely disappointing to say the least. These distractions this year have taken a toll. I'm interested to see what kind of ultimate resolve this team has. March will provide the answer to that. But definitely not good loosing a guard and our starting point guard at that. I agree with a few of these posts that it has been obvious that Tyshawn just wasn't engaged the second half of the season, for what ever reason. I actually think we can still go far with the guards we have: Morningstar has been playing fantastic B ball, Reed has been a true leader, and Selby will finally get his shot.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk..........KU!

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

Brady at Point... bring it on! Time for Selby to shine!

HawkBBall 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn has had "off-court distractions" that have interfered with his ability to concentrate. He has not performed like he did his first two years and on the U19 team. For his sake, and the sake of the team, I hope Tyshawn can remove these distrations and get back to work. I wish him the best.

I would think that Josh and EJ should shoulder the point, with help from Brady and Tyrel. At least the assist to turnover ratio should improve.

ajhk 9 years, 8 months ago

After the K-State game wasn't he talking about how he needs to come out focused for now on?

The point needs to be a team leader. TT never had it in him.

Even though I always understood he's a liability and not the kind you can win with in a tournament, It still sucks. We've put so much time into him, and now it's all a waste? Too late in the season to bring someone else in I'd think. If we only had given Selby meaningful minutes at the point from the start this could be a dream come true. I'd think it's too late to get Selby tourney ready at the point.

Though Morningstar is great at handling it from the top of the key, he's not the best at bringing it up against good pressure.

Come on EJ. This is your shot and you're sooooo much better than TT. Have the confidence and go for it!

Better late than never. Tyshawn will never be able to put together six performances good enough to win it all. Maybe 'Rio or Collins will stick around... we could call in some Hollywood makeup artists and blend them in.

7texdude- Maybe 'Rio saw the real weakness in our team and decided to help out .

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

Reed at Point... bring it on! Time for Releford to shine at the 3!

kujosh3030 9 years, 8 months ago

may be the dumbest idea ever...why would we have Reed play point guard. Do you watch KU basketball, have you seen the screens that get Reed open....rather have Woolridge at point then Reed....what is up with all these dumb KU fans

xfitter 9 years, 8 months ago

So having one of the seniors on the team that handles the ball regularly is dumb? Every guard that Self really goes after is to some degree a combo guard for this exact scenario of "no point". Who was it with 14 points last Monday, from driving the ball and shooting FTs? Oh yea, that was a composed Tyrel in a heated environment! Whats up with all these dumb KU fans that cant tell what HCBS blue print is yet?! It's Guards and Bigs, KU is always interchangeable parts this way....including gasp THE POINT!!!

DevilHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Reed regularly handles the ball and serves the 'leadership role' of the point, but he is a poor option to play the true point.

The point has two other responsibilities: Guard the opposing point on defense. Create offense via dribble penetration.

Reed's talents/abilities simply don't meet the needs of those responsibilities.

It's not that Reed couldn't run the point; rather, it's that we have more appropriate options available (EJ and Selby).

Philip Garver 9 years, 8 months ago

I pull for Selby everyday. But, he is far from being one of our better defenders. In fact, I would say sliding his feet and staying in front of the opposing teams quickest player is a bad idea. We need his confidence to build. Having him fail on defense is no way to do that.

dukehester 9 years, 8 months ago

i see this as all good. TT has not performed with any consistency this whole year.....seems he has something on his mind that is not KU bball. we have the talent on the bench in several others. Josh needs to earn his spurs now.

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 8 months ago

Neither Reed no Brady is going to run the point. Its not because they don't have the skills or the smarts - they absolutely do - but their strengths are playing off the ball. Neither one will get the kinds of open shots they need if they are running the point. Its going to be EJ or possibly Selby, although I don't think Self will go with Selby given the amount of time he's missed.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

And I wouldn't think he'd go with EJ to a large degree based on his considerable inconsistency.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

My post, btw, is not meaning to say that EJ shouldn't get a large boost in minutes. I'm simply saying that Self's choices are limited. He is going to have to trust both EJ and Selby bringing up the rock on many occasions despite those cons.

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 8 months ago

Yep, that's the thing - both EJ and Selby will get more minutes. I do think we'll see EJ start and play a few more minutes at the point that Josh. It could up being a Point Guard by committee situation.

kujosh3030 9 years, 8 months ago

To any KU fan that thinks Selby is an off guard...study up kids!! His whole life he has ran and operated whatever team he played on...he is a true point guard that may finally convince Coach Self to leave him at point when Taylor returns. I hate seeing fans on here that don't even know their players

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

Aren't you the know it all today.

Selby hasn't shown any real ball handling skills. That will come next season. Have you not watched any games this year?

We may lose some quickness, but Brady or Tyrel will take care of the rock. Have you not watched them the past several seasons?

I'd rather have Releford on the court than EJ. Have you not seen them on the court?

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

You are correct, he has played point his entire career until coming to KU. However, he has shown a lack of confidence and consistency in his ball handling skills, which seems to me to be why Self has elected him to play off the ball thus far this year. I hope this opportunity will get him to play his true position closer to his potential, but I expect a lot of mistakes as he works it out.

I don't think the turnovers will decrease at all with Selby running the point. At least not right away. The more he plays it, however, he will certainly get a lot better.

RockChalk26 9 years, 8 months ago

Here we go, I will say it again, "Let's go EJ, time to step up!"

lama 9 years, 8 months ago

This actually could help us if Selby can get healthy and Elijah can play consistently, as he did earlier in the season. Can be much better defensively.

100 9 years, 8 months ago

What is amazing about this team is how many starters & key bench players have sat out in key stretches during this season. Yet we've remained pretty much top 3 all year.

This is a testament to Coach Self's coaching & leadership.

On the disciplinary issue... Great (actually normal) job Coach Self.

This is what a coach who really does care about his players & team does....

We don't want this brushed under the rug in a Willie Kelly way.

Much like the Kelly situation there will be privacy issues attached in interviews (except unfortunately for Martin the KSU administration leaked some information before his press conference which made Martin's character shine through even more after not even sitting Kelly for a game)....

Let's just say be glad we have Coach Self. Problems can arise with kids this age. Not happy with Tyshawn.

But excellent job to Coach Self in standing up for what is right.

We will, as fans, be much happier come NCAA time, when this issue has been dealt with full on, and our player has had a chance to right his actions.

Sweeping this under the rug does nothing for TT's future & certainly does little for our team's chances later on in the year. Rules are rules. Principles matter.

All for one & one for all.

Way to stand up for TT & the team's future Coach Self.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

After reading a lot of "Reed/Brady/Selby at the point" posts I'll make the argument for Selby. First of all, he's the only one who has played the position his whole life. The other two are capable in spurts, but I wouldn't want Brady or Reed there the majority of the game. It diminishes their best asset - spot up shooting. Selby will still get his shots because, as Coach Self has said, he is the best at creating his own shot. Selby is also the one best poised to create shots for others. Brady and Tyrel move the ball and feed the post well, but Selby has shown an ability to drive the paint, as well as an inclination to pass it to the bigs or the wings rather than simply throwing up floaters and drawing charges.

While I am not happy that Tyshawn did whatever it is he did to warrant a suspension, this is what I have been waiting for. I've wanted to see what this team looks like with Selby at the point, and Tyshawn has forced Bill's hand to finally try it. This should also give more of an opportunity to EJ in the back-up PG role, which should make the "EJ always gets the quick hook" crowd happy.

phoghawker 9 years, 8 months ago

Totally agree! You mentioned the floaters and charges, but forgot to adress his great crossover dribble that usually ends up in the hands of the other team. I'm guessing that we will all find out who the point guard will be tonight at 8pm.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, this is pretty much my thoughts as well. Selby is still peddling up the learning curve with respect to his ball handling skills at this level, but he is a true point guard, much, much more so than Reed and Brady.

There will be mistakes with him at the point, but suffering through them will be hugely beneficial in the long run.

Plus, they (the team) will combo guard it for several games as Selby eases into the roll (assuming Taylor is gone for an extended period of time).

We just have to take the good with the bad with respect to Selby at the point.

Yogi 9 years, 8 months ago

I have a big fear of Johnson replacing TT. As bad as Taylor has been Johnson has been even worse. For some reason neither one of them can keep their focus in a game. Both have inexcusable turnovers and Johnson is even worse at taking ill-advised shots. Coach Self almost always has to pull him from the game for some stupid move after only a short time. Apparently both of them are too dense to listen to the coach and keep their head in the game. In Taylor's case this goes for off the court action as well. We have great guards in Reed and Morningstar. They may not be the athletes Taylor and Johnson are but they are ten times smarter when it comes to not screwing up. Give Selby a chance to show his stuff and let Reed and Morningstar support him.

mandomax 9 years, 8 months ago

while I am excited to see what EJ can do when Self lets him play through his mistakes (the way Self does with Selby), EJ is untested and also turnover prone. I hope he has enough time to get his confidence up before the Big XII tourney and the Big Dance (assuming TT remains suspended).

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

EJ has had some dumb plays/turnovers, but his turnover ratio isn't actually that bad... In the games he's gotten considerable minutes, he's only averaged like 1 or 2 turnovers.

mandomax 9 years, 8 months ago

TT is averaging 4 TOs per 40 minutes. EJ is averaging 2.5 per 40 minutes. His decision making skills are not as honed as TTs, and TT doesn't set that bar very high. EJs inexperience and lack of confidence is mostly representative of Self's lack of confidence in Elijah, and Self's tendency to yank him after the simplest of errors. EJs TOs are also less forgiveable than TTs because he is usually in the game playing mop-up, and therefore not always looking to pass and furthermore playing against a dejected team that might not be playing it's most active defense of the game.

R2D2 9 years, 8 months ago

About this time of year in 1988 we moved our 2 guard to the point and he helped lead us to national title. Kevin Pritchard was that player!! I think we have enough players to pull this off and will be better for it in post season! TT is wearing me thin.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

haha....some good points and the last comment... Sigh, completely. Even when we are winning this last half of the season, watching TT is physically and mentally exhausting.

Andrew Moore 9 years, 8 months ago

I think Brady will run the point. It seems like whenever KU needs to get something late in the game, the ball is in Brady's hands. Can Brady dominate a game like Jon Scheyer last year for Duke? no. But he can make the smart pass and take the open shot.

Taylor will be back by Saturday. I have no doubts about that.

smayer33 9 years, 8 months ago

This team will be better with Tyshawn in street clothes. He's inconsistent, arrogant, and makes terrible mistakes on the court. Normally, when a player goes down, other team members have to make up for those lost statistics. In this case, the other players will have to do their best Tyshawn impression in order to turn the ball over more, foul badly, and miss layups.

Ben Kane 9 years, 8 months ago

i'll put money on a sebly ej split at the point tonight.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm gonna agree with that.... I also see some times where Reed/Morningstar will bring the ball up, but probably 70/30 or even 80/20 it'll be EJ/Selby handling the ball...

That's what I'd do at least.

jayhawktalk 9 years, 8 months ago

Agree, unless we are knee deep in turnovers, at which point Brady & Tyrel will see the lion's share of the PG responsibilities.

Philip Garver 9 years, 8 months ago

We'll see some lineups with Reed/Morningstar playing the 1/2 with Releford at the 3 and two of Morris/Morris/Little

kufankam 9 years, 8 months ago

i find it humorous that some of the same people that were calling for brady to play less than 6 minutes a game are now suggesting he be the starting point gaurd... just like back then, we should trust that Self knows what he is doing and support whomever he puts on the floor. just like in this case, we should also trust who he DOESNT put on the floor.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

Injuries are always the "X" factor during the season.

Tyshawn Taylor has officially become a "Why!?" factor. (Mario Little's "Revengegate" and the Morris twins' "Elbowgate" scandals previously qualified for the distinction.)

It seems more and more likely that, besides lingering injuries, this team's most daunting opponent this year is itself. I can't predict how far the current mental make-up of this team will take us in the tournament, but if we somehow win the regular season and/or the Big XII Tourney, and make a deep run into March, this may be Bill Self's finest coaching job yet all things considered.

chaggs 9 years, 8 months ago

Pure rumor and speculation... Tyshawn Taylor and Marisha Brown suspended indefinately on the same day? hmmmm.

William Daniels 9 years, 8 months ago

Exactly what I was wondering:

Hmm...could this be related to Tyshawn Taylor's indefinite suspension today?

“Although we are disappointed in Tyshawn, he will remain a member of our team and practice with our team until he is reinstated for competition,” Self said in a release.

“Marisha will remain a member of our team and continue to practice until she is reinstated for competition, however, we are very disappointed in her,” Henrickson said in a release.

Orwell 9 years, 8 months ago

I believe the phrase is "addition by subtraction."

shinguard 9 years, 8 months ago

I would be very surprised if TT is around next year.

R2D2 9 years, 8 months ago

This just in....I have been suspended indefinitely from reading this message board for violation of team rules. I will still be able to use my computer until I am reinstated to the message board.

hopsnhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

never good when you see on of our Jayhawks trending worldwide

mandomax 9 years, 8 months ago

agreed. It's pretty rare that I read a piece of news on Yahoo! Sports first, then come to KUsports.com to verify... Rare and quite upsetting.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

People who think this is a good thing need to really take a course on understanding basketball philosophy...

I've said all year, as TT goes, we WILL go. If he is playing bad, defending poorly, in foul trouble or COMPLETELY not available, it hurts us bad. He'll be back by next Monday, I predict. This is just a wake-up call (unless he did something really stupid i.e. drugs, abuse, calling out teammates or coaches online).

EJ needs to take this opportunity and step up. I think EJ's upside is sky high. He has so much talent and atheleticism. He needs a moment like this to really shine. If not, look for Tyrel to play #1, Brady #2, Selby #3 and the Twins. Not a bad lineup on paper but no real PG leadership.

My take....

Scott Oswalt 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyrel at the 1???? Seriously? We need Tyrel to spot up and hit the 3.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Soswalt - only if EJ doesn't take advantage. I agree we don't want him there but may need him there.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I highly doubt this is just a "wake up call".

Think about it, Self just plastered his team and the school (and re-hashed all of our other issues) by doing this... If he was just trying to wake Taylor up, he'd not start him.. This is far worse.

Taylor had to have done something pretty bad to get indefinitely suspended.

jchawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Just a side note, I just read on zagsblog that McLemore was dismissed from the Oak Hill team. I wonder what this does to his recruitment?

SDSurferFan 9 years, 8 months ago

Brady at point!! Good point on him playing the point.

Fred Davis 9 years, 8 months ago

First of all, I'm saddened by this news... Ever since Tyshawn was named the MVP of the Under-19 Team two years ago, this kid, who was being projected as a possible first round draft pick after that tourney, he's gone into the tank. Sure, he's had his problems, and I'm not giving the kid a reprieve of his foolishness, but there's something more to this kid than we know, and there's a reason why Self is hanging on to Tyshawn, because maybe he knows this kid needs some tough love, some guidance, something... It's a shame, and while there's no telling what's going to become of all this, while it's easy to bash the kid, I'm hoping that this kid's really not just a bonafide knucklehead and that perhaps he can pull it together.

As to who should play the point - that's a no-brainer - Selby. The kid is a PG. He's been handling the rock since he came out of the womb, and in an ironic twist, in the Star today, he tells them that he's had to get used to playing off the ball because he's always had the ball his whole life, not to mention he's used to distributing, driving and scoring better with the ball in his hands... So..... Self knows this, and this team, while it's played well, needs a spark, or rather, more focus at the PG spot, and unfortunately, TT is too sporadic at the point, and he's not near the offensive threat that Selby is. Like the article mentioned, Selby has seven games at the most to get his game ready and gel with this team before the Tourney, and who better to get things going against than OKST at home on Big Monday? Tyrel and Brady are not PGs, they're good 2s, but they're not PGs, so stop that argument. Sure, they can spell the PG spot when needed, but give me Selby running the show, tell him to move his feet a little bit, stay between his man and the basket defensively, and who knows, this team might start to really put it together before the Tourney... And I really think TT could be better off the bench, provided - and we're asking a lot here - he gets his mind right long enough to help this team get to H-Town.

Dan Spurgin 9 years, 8 months ago

What does this REALLY mean? It means that the Journal World will AGAIN print an article in early Fall saying that Taylor has finally figured it out and put mistakes behind him. Allow me to clear... I've been playing this broken record myself in my own life for 40 years so can't really blame TT or LJW for doing so as well. Kind of like spring + Royals. You want soooo badly to believe THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT!!! but....

kfcwar 9 years, 8 months ago

I'd have needed a doobie after last Monday night too.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 8 months ago

The afternoon Soaps have nothing on KU basketball in 2010-11.

A brawl with the football team. A DWI An arrest A major scandal in the athletic department

I check, definitely take with a grain of salt, the messages on the Yahoo sports stories of KU games. We are developing a reputation of not being the nicest of programs. How much is character of a kid taken into account when recruiting a kid?
These are all things that KU rarely dealt with under Roy. Is Self partially to blame? Not sure of the answers but it's all a little disturbing.

murph 9 years, 8 months ago

Your timing's a bit off. That rumble with the football team AND the DWI were in the fall of 2009. The "major scandal" had been ongoing for several years - it's being resolved in 2010-11. And your memory's fuzzy - Roy's Boys had some Moments, too. But somehow, Roy never got them to that "One Shining Moment" - and Bill Self has.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 8 months ago

My timing is not off. Under Self's watch in the last couple of years all of these things have happened.

Maybe my memory is fuzzy but remind me of the problems with Roys boys, I don't remember it being this "bad"

KULA 9 years, 8 months ago

There's a reason Bill Self has never run Brady at the regular point guard position in his 4 years here. As critical as I can be about Bill, I'll trust him on this one. I suspect it's because Brady doesn't have the speed or quickness to be a point guard. He might do okay against the average teams in the Big 12, but against the more elite teams, and in the tournament, I'm afraid it might get ugly pretty quick.

pulasien 9 years, 8 months ago

NP KU fans, Taylor can't shoot, is a minimal defender, and does not play smart. Brady has a hot hand and will be an upgrade on offense and defense.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 8 months ago

shinguard - Ok, now I've gotta' disagree with that one. Unless it's his choice. If WE didn't have it in our plans for him for the future than we wouldn't just suspend him short-term he would insted be formally "kicked off the team".

shinguard 9 years, 8 months ago

Right now we don't have any scholarship/recruiting situations the would force KU into making a final decision right now. Therefore it makes no sense to kick him off the team. I am looking at it from TT's perspective. In order for TT show that he is NBA-capable (IMHO), he really has to show some humility fundamentally change the way he is playing the game. That will be tough as there are so many aspects of his game that needs improvement. The choice is Tyshawn's he can either take these challenges head-on and show everyone that he can live up to his potential or blame a program for his suspect play. I just get the feeling the Tyshawn will take the easy way out and want to play for a college that will worship him. Unfortunately, such a college would also sweep his faults under the rug along with his dreams of being in the NBA.

To be clear though, I believe in TT's potential and abilities. I hope he takes his punishment like a man and comes back focused on a NC. I just haven't seen anything that would tell me that Tyshawn can handle adversity too well.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 8 months ago

Let's keep thing in perspective.

Tyshawn is an extremely gifted BBall player and athlete. If you watched him in the U19 World Championship, you would know that he led the USA team to the gold medal and also led the team in scoring average assists and steals and was named to the 5 players all-tournament team. His play was outstanding as was his leadership, which begs the question, what happen to him?

One explanation is that he tried too hard to be the leader Collins had been and was not able to do so. However, let's keep in mind that Collins was a natural leader and the type of player that does not come around very often, and hence a very hard act to follow.

Perhaps he has let "advisors" fill his head with an inflated idea of himself and now resents that he is not the "go to" player that he believes himself to be. Maybe he feels he is going to the NBA after the season is over (not a given, at this time) and he has let school go by the way side. Hard to tell.

One thing that HC Self will not allow is a player stop being a student, and if he is indeed not keeping up with his school work, it would follow that HC Self would suspend him.

Losing a starter at this point is bad news; however, this might be the best thing to happen to Tyshawn. He now has a chance to get his priorities straight, get his head back on the game and maybe come back as a better player (and person) in time for the tournament(s).

I for one believe that a new and improved Tyshawn will be back at some time this season.

100 9 years, 8 months ago

Personally I love the offense much better this year, led by Tyshawn.

Anybody else prefer the way we looked last year on offense with Sherron at point?

chriz 9 years, 8 months ago

It's too bad for Tyshawn, but from a basketball standpoint, this is a good thing. Probably a relatively easy decision for Self, who had a political dilemma that may have just solved itself. PG is Selby's natural position. Tyrel Reed has proven himself as an excellent 2 guard, particularly considering his ball control and ability/willingness to drive--and finish--when he's being hassled on the perimeter.

Also, we still have 4 games left before the conference tournament. If we weren't Kansas, I would be more concerned. But since we are, a) we're preparing for the Big Dance, not the conference tournament, and b) our talent alone will likely keep us from being one-and-done in the tourney, even if we aren't playing our best basketball. That gives us at least 5 games to get Selby oriented as a PG. Plus, we'll likely win at least 3 of those 5 games, so we'll maintain at least a 2 seed in the Big Dance.

I'm sorry for Tyshawn and I hope he gets his act together. If he had his act together, he would probably be a better player. Nonetheless, I see this as an opportunity.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

A suggestion to all .. I have been as vocal as anyone regarding the need to try Selby at the 1, etc. But this is not good news, regardless of how much many of us would like to see another option utilized primarily at the 1 spot.

What is going on here, behind the scenes, can only be negative. My inclination has always been that TT is selfish player, as exhibited by his play (lack of focus on creating for his teammates vs. looking for his shot; forced drives, etc.) and comments (the "I finally got mine" quote from last season and other stuff and statementsfrom last season) and the nosedive in his play that coincided exactly with Selby's arrival, as well as his general demeanor and body language. But that is just an inclination, and not something to hang your hat on as definitive

But the evidence builds.

This is absolutely NOT the way anyone should want there to be a change at the point guard spot. Not me, at least. TT is an extremely valuable member of this team, and could flourish in the right role. Unfortunately, he has created his role by whatever actions/inaction precipitated the suspension. Those who wanted that change, let's not revel in this as a positive event for the team. Because it is only a negative.

For this to happen now, in the stretch run of the season, when all the focus should be on the team .. tells me that someone is putting "me" before "team." Not a good sign, particularly from your point guard who should, inherently, be all about team first.

Let's hope somehow that this clear negative can become a positive.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree completely... My first post in this thread mentioned that I wouldn't want it to happen like this... But in my opinion, this still needed to happen.

Taylor in my opinion just doesn't have the mental part of the game required to run the team at the 1. He'd be better off as a slashing 2 guard, with a lot of the 1PG pressure taken off of him...

I hope he comes back, but I also hope that this finally solidifies EJ/Selby at the 1, and Taylor can be slid into the 2 guard role when he hopefully returns.

doctorWho 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree with you except the "TT being an extremely valuable member of this team" part. He is valuable only in the sense that he keeps less complete players off the floor. His lack of ability on defense is the weakest point for the starting 5. A shake-up this late in the season is not a disaster talent-wise - I'm more worried about the behind-the-scenes drama given the questionable maturity level of some of the players.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree with much of your post (I posted that I was not happy that Tyshawn did whatever he did to warrant the suspension). I am curious what role it is that you assume Tyshawn would "flourish" in. Starting PG? No. 2 guard? No. Glue guy? No. Take over the game guy? No. Get you a basket when you really need it? No. Lock down the opposing team's best scorer when you really need it? No (he has locked down players before, but usually it's in games KU has well in hand).

Maybe in a different offense or system he could flourish, but I have seen nothing to suggest he can do so here under Coach Self's system. He has the skills and the talent, he should have been able to assume a Russell Robinson type role this year, but he hasn't.

AsadZ 9 years, 8 months ago

ict, I am not an expert but Jaybate had an excellent post the other day on the subject. Keep in mind that this is the 1st year where TT has played as a starting PG. We are 24-2 with TT as starting PG. He ahd one bad game but otherwise he has played fine. Selby is talented but due to reasons we know he has not shown yet that he can be the dominant PG. EJ is also talented but he has not played better than TT.

Michael Luby 9 years, 8 months ago

When Brady was not playing very well at all early in the season, Yah I admit it, I was one of the people calling for him to ride the bench. Now that he has found his shot again and is playing stellar D and post feeding so well, I have to recant my past statements against Brady. Him and Reed are our base now. They are the leaders on this team. Selby is an incredible athelete and now he will have a trial by fire so to speak. Reed and Brady will start with him and off set his wild play at times with some balance in the back court. We wont win the championship this year but they still have a great chance to make the final 4.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 Brady has been and will be doing the work and role for the team to be successful. Scoring if he is in a groove and needed, or passing to the bigs for points in the paint. Glad he is back to his game and got through his slump.. and glad the Brady critics are now backing him. Brady and Reed have and will always give 110% to this team.... they may not have the physical gifts of some of the other players, but they have bigger hearts, and that is not a measurable statistic, but key to this team.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 8 months ago

ELIJAH!! ELIJAH!! ELIJAH!!

This kid has made hella good improvements in one year...get this kid in coach self, and don't pull him for one mistake-gettin tired of that really(with elijah). Compared to last year, he is much more aggressive, much more confident, and other than one or two times where he didn't look all that great, has really impressed me. Knockin down his shots, he's quick, decent ball handler, most athletic guy on team in my opinion.

Great future player, and crowd favorite=Elijah Johnson, the kid with transfer rumors who ultimately waits patiently to get his PT. True Jayhawk!

irvan moore 9 years, 8 months ago

Selby needs to step up for a couple of reason, first that the team really needs him to play to his potential and second, he aint gonna be a high draft pick if he don't.

KU_Mitch 9 years, 8 months ago

This will save my voice! Since I turn the volume down and CAN'T listen to Bob ( I know how the last play would have been better ) Knight. I spend too much time screaming at TT to stop doing something stupid. Either EJ or JS will be fine at the point. P.S. I am an electrical engineer and I am building an audio delay for synchronizing the audio to the video so that I can listen to Bob and Chris on the radio and watch the game on TV with no time difference.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

This just announced... And it just keeps getting better and more interesting regarding KU's basketball future..

"Arizona-bound forward Sidiki Johnson and uncommitted senior guard Ben McLemore were dismissed from Oak Hill Academy for violating an undisclosed team rule, the Tucson Citzen reported."

This will be interesting to see how this comes into play with Coach Self continuing his hot pursuit of Ben McLemore. Does he really want to slide down this slippery slope and start with a talent that is already showing signs of poor judgement / Character? From everything I have read, these private Academy's spoon feed these players, treat them like royalty and handle them with kid gloves. To get kicked out of one of these Elite Academy's signals some BIG future issues.

Best of luck with this dilema and decision HCBS.. HANDLE WITH CARE!

jchawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

I was wondering the same thing. I know Coach Self will do whats best for his basketball team. But it will be interesting to see if he pulls off McLemore.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe we should all check Tyshawns facebook account to find out what is going on.

Jim Roth 9 years, 8 months ago

Last game, we played well for a long time at the end of the first half when Taylor was sitting. Reed, Morningstar & Selby shared ball-handling responsibilities. I suspect we'll see that again.

thedudelovesKU 9 years, 8 months ago

I bet bill self suspended him for walking to class and dribbling his books off his legs. That or he was driving his car into a lane and didn't slow down, drew a charge, and called for running over someone...with him it happens.

bradynsdad 9 years, 8 months ago

Hilarious! I had tears in my eyes reading this.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 8 months ago

Lets not assume McLemore is "slipping in judgement". It's been said that Quinn Cook is the worst teammate and does nothing but drive and shoot up horrible well defended shots, while leaving sidiki and ben wide open on the wings. Rumors all the way around with this situation, but I'm confident coach self will handle things correctly.

Dale Kroening 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. I watched the game with Oak Hill and Christian, and Turner is nothing but a ballhog.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

good point, but McLemore would not be dismissed from Oak Hill for something like whining about not getting the ball or enough shots right? He would have had to do something to violate Oak Hill's team rules. That signals "slip in Judgement" or even worse lack of priorities. To be dismissed from an elite Prep school while being recruited by Elite College programs sure sounds like some bad decision making on McLemore's behalf.

We already got enough questionable decisions with current KU players on and off the court. I hope HCBS takes a good look at this and makes the best decision for the program in the long run.

shufly 9 years, 8 months ago

Seems odd to me that two KU basketball players are suspended at the same time - one on the men's and one on the woman's team????

KansasComet 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn is suspended, but can still pratice. Must be something that he can overcome? It will be interesting to see how Kansas plays tonight. Fortunately Kansas is loaded with guards and will be just fine. Selby can run point, and if not for the nine game suspension to start the year, probably would have been the point. I was amazed at some of the passes he threw on Saturday, and that is just the tip of the Iceberg. I think Selby and Johnson on the floor could be scary for the opposition. Lets hope so.

Steve Hengeli 9 years, 8 months ago

This fan base is so risk adverse. All people ever talk about is limiting turnovers. You can't win a national championship unless players play to their strengths. It's possible that in doing so, they will make mistakes and lose a game. But that's the risk you take if you want to be great. At some point, you have to play to win rather than playing not to lose. My ultimate point is that we should be having this discussion based on maximizing strengths rather than focusing so much on the weakness of players.

Let me put it this way: I don't want to see Selby standing outside all game catching and shooting three's. He has the ability to finish at the rim, and he can put a great deal of pressure on the defense by driving. We need a point guard who can consistently force the defense to collapse on the drive. Though Selby is a capable three point shooter, I believe his fullest potential involves him being aggressive on the ball.

On the other hand, Reed is the best three point shooter on the team. He is capable of driving and kicking. But unless he can drive the ball then kick it out to himself for three, the team isn't maximizing their talents with him at point.

Finally, Morningstar is an adequate point guard. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like every time he drives, he ends up jumping and passing the ball over a defender. I will admit that he doesn't turn the ball over very often while doing this. I don't really remember him getting past his defender and forcing help. I believe he's at his best out on the perimeter where he has gotten better at shooting. His biggest strength as a passer is supposedly throwing it into the post. For him to do that, it may be better for him to start off the ball on the wing rather than as the initiator of the offense.

slowplay 9 years, 8 months ago

I think you nailed it. Morningstar is not quick enough off the dribble and I'm not sure how he would handle constant "in your face" pressure when bringing the ball up the court. That said, I'm not sure if Selby is the answer, but I don't watch him everyday in practice. I have a feeling though, that Selby will be the "main" point guard. I think he's also better attacking the basket but he will have to know when to kick out or take it himself. He had some nice dimes vs CU. Morningstar plays better on the wing. Losing TT, no matter what your perception of him was, is not a good thing, unless this suspension is short lived and he comes back a stronger, motivated, " I learned my lesson" player. On the plus side, we will see if EJ has what it takes because he should get double the minutes he has been getting.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

I would add that the most risk adverse person at KU is Self. Although he has given TT and Brady all the time in the world to work through their game, but has always had a quick hook for EJ and Travis. Now we are at a point where TT is suspended for who knows how long, TRob is coming off surgery, and Selby and Reed have lingering injuries. Yet, EJ isn't as prepared as he could be to step in because his minutes have been limited.

HAWKTOPIA 9 years, 8 months ago

our offense is built on side to side ball movement, pass to the bigs, shoot or dish to shooters, with an occasional dish to driver. maybe even a give an go off a pick. its the driving guard who beats us, thats not the way we win. Oh that driving guard, thats TT's man!

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

I've usually had TT's back, but it's hard for me to support a guy that's doing stupid shi* this close to March. It's the home stretch Ty, man what is going through your head??

I look forward to seeing how the minutes get split up tonight between Josh and Elijah and the seniors

Dyrk Dugan 9 years, 8 months ago

this is the ultimate, "when it rains it pours." it's unbelievable, through maturity issues, or injuries, or the NCAA, we can't field a full team....for any length or stretch of the season.

i really hope it's just this week, and no more for Tyshawn. we need him for depth at the least...and an experienced, valuable starter at the most. he is our top point guard, regarding overall quickness and defense. his ball handling of late has a lot to be desired, but when he gets focused on that, he can be darn good. and then again, when you have to remind him to be focused...instread of just him focusing...then there's a problem. at this point in the season, HCBS shouldn't have to worry about that.

I really don't mind Morningstar at the point. it's truly the best choice right now. he's just going to have to suck it up. or it's a tryout the next two games between Brady and Josh....best overall stats win. (mainly As to TOs, i would think.)

no police blotter yet, so i don't think it's anything illegal...but if something comes out, would not be surprised. Maybe Coach just wants to send the message......you WILL do it my way....or you won't play...period.

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

KU really needs for Taylor to get his act together. He cannot seem to focus or concentrate and yet he is the starting point guard for a top national program with the Big Dance coming up. Sooner or later he is going to run out of good Karma and people are going to completely tire of TT's problems. Wake up, Kid!

Ron Franklin 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn said the day of the KU vs KSU game his head was not in it.

Sounds to me like he got tested & knew he'd failed (drug test)

or

he knew he was failing a class and that would be catching up with him when the reports came out. Is it about time for mid term reviews?

Jayhawk4L 9 years, 8 months ago

As often as TT turns the ball over and takes dumb shots, I don't think I have seen another one of our guys as good at penetrating and getting to the rim since Keith Langford.

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

umm... did you miss Sherron's whole KU career??

pvf20 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn Turnover gets to the rim and does nothing. Right on with the Sheron comment.

addlime 9 years, 8 months ago

TT's defensive effort was horrific against Kstate, and he's been careless with the ball his entire career. That being said, Selby still turns it over way to much, and both he and EJ aren't the passer that TT is yet. The team needs TT to come back from this and be focused for the month of March. I just don't see it happening at this point. What a waste of ability.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 8 months ago

I think Self stuck with Tyshawn because he could see that when he was really on his game he was miles above any of the alternatives. I can't even imagine how frustrating it was for him when that "really good" only showed up about every third game and lately not at all. I hope he gets his head straight because we could really use a Tyshawn playing up to his ability. There was a lot of media talk early about Shelby playing the point, and Self said he thought it was too much to put on him when he was just starting to learn the system, and coming in late besides. Maybe he will decide that now is the time, at least for short periods of time.

KU_FanSince75 9 years, 8 months ago

Came on this thread late, but a several observations----

1) Someone above said this, maybe Chuckberry, but HCBS has to take responsiblility to all of these team violations. 2) Really too bad for TT---I mean, really, how many chances has he had to correct his mistakes? Self has really been patient with Tyshawn. 3) Time to move on boys----time for Josh, EJ, Brady to step up and reach that elusive goal. Tyrel needs to step up, too, but he has been consistent all year. 4) What happens if the Jayhawks do outstanding the rest of the season---when do we reinstate TT without upsetting the apple cart? Tough thing for Coach Self. Come on, Jayhawks---go get the Cowboys!

jayhawklawrence 9 years, 8 months ago

I really start to appreciate the coaching staff more and more having to deal with these issues. I have never thought Tyshawn was playing to his abilities and we have all been waiting to see when he would finally mature into that leader. It has been a slow process but he is one of our guys now. He is a Jayhawk forever and a part of this community.

That being said, I think he has been playing a lot better lately because he has been cutting down on his turnovers and playing under more control. He took too much blame for the loss at K-State. Let me repeat that. He took too much blame for the loss at K-State.

I wish he would keep his butt down more and watch his spacing on defense. His greatest asset is his speed and he is too often out of position or charging down the lane into someone. I think his focus needs to change a little. I am sure he has been hearing the same thing from coaches, but he keeps repeating the same mistakes.

Maybe it is too much pressure for him. Maybe we should back off and let him take a deep breath and try not to do too much. He is only a Junior. He is still just a kid. Maybe we need to appreciate what these guys do more and quit demanding so much from them. I just wish the best for all these guys regardless of whether we get to the Final 4.

Do your best and let God do the rest. That is good enough for me.

Irneo Hernandez 9 years, 8 months ago

he has been playing bad all year he needs to handle his problems off the court starting with being a good father and being responsible

amesn 9 years, 8 months ago

???? Since when did Tyshawn become a father?

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

I think you may be thinking of Sherron.

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

Ty needs a role model big time!

Russell Robinson, Aaron miles?

dynamitehawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I heard he tried to fight the entire football team, won, and he still isn't ranked in the top 25...

Kidding.. This really sucks for him. We've got some serious maturity issues - mainly selfish ones.

turbomax 9 years, 8 months ago

I hope Tyshawn doesn't read these posts. I think some of you forget that he is a real person - a kid, basically. He came out and admitted that he has played terribly and took responsibility for it (see his comments after KSU). He is going through a rough time now. I hope he keeps his head up and pulls through.

I met him a couple of times for various fan-appreciation related events and he has been one of the ones that come to mind as respectful, generous and conscientious with the fans.

I don't know what he did - I hope it was nothing super-serious. But he is a part of the Jayhawk family and deserves our well-wishes.

Rock Chalk!

4jhawks4ku 9 years, 8 months ago

Tonight we better let Brady bring it up and make the first few passes. Thats all our point guard does any way. Brady and Elijah can interchange. Better to play safe tonight and then let Selby take over point at Oklahoma where turnovers wont make quite as much difference.

jayhawklawrence 9 years, 8 months ago

Nobody wants Tyshawn to be successful more than the fans here in Lawrence. We have already adopted him as one of our own.

That is why Lawrence is a special place.

I have lived and worked in 48 states. I could live anywhere. I had to come back to this town. I hope our athletes feel the same way.

Winning isn't everything.

leonard 9 years, 8 months ago

Not a question it's a dope problem...and it has nothing to do with drugs.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

What I want at point tonight:

  1. Bill Self to decide. If he can't decide, he will call me and I'll chose:

  2. Brady... a bit slower, but you know we can count on him.

  3. Selby... ?ball handling, ?sky high potential
  4. Tyrel... (see Brady)
  5. EJ.... more PT will help a lot

What will happen tonight. EJ at point 60%, Selby 20%, Brady 20%.

Either way, we can't lose!

William Weissbeck 9 years, 8 months ago

This is disappointing, but keep in mind these are just kids. They are under a lot of pressure and some handle it better than others. I remember back in the dark ages at KU we used to make fun of the new guys in the house, most of who were clueless about how to even wash their own clothes. We knew that in a few years most would learn how, but there would be some that just got washed out. Regardless of his TO's, you want him to graduate with his head screwed on right.

sdolars 9 years, 8 months ago

These are men!

1.18+ years old 2. Free Education 3. Free Housing 4. Free Food 5. Free (amazing) basketball training

Childish decisions dont make you a child ..... you can only support individuals so long, then you are enabling them

Learn from TROB! Nobody on the team has gone through what he goes through and he manages to not get suspended.

smileyface40 9 years, 8 months ago

Did he work in the ticket office? KU is such a joke...

masonhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Yes genius you win the prize for troll of the day!

JayDocMD 9 years, 8 months ago

  1. It is past time to grow up.

  2. Like it or not, we cannot/will not win the whole shabang without TT playing at his max capacity - we can get by a game or three in the tourney, but not the 6 in a row needed.

  3. Brady can (and should) be the quick fix/band-aid/super-glue guy.

  4. If this was December, I'm all for handing the ball to Selby. Its almost March.

  5. I love EJ. I'm afraid of EJ. Not enough discipline. Best off the bench.

  6. If the perfect storm occurs (Selby + twins leave), this can/should be Tyshawn and TRob's team. He will, in essence, be the only Senior. His last chance to get any NBA attention will be to put the team on his back and overachieve. Sadly, that sounds more and more like a fairy tale.

  7. Did I mention it is past time to grow up?

khekhen 9 years, 8 months ago

no, but your handle/profile pic mentions you being a doctor 3 times. congratulations.

JayDocMD 9 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for adding your valuable insight to the conversation. Just proud of my KU education, especially not currently living in Big 12 country. From your handle/profile pic I know nothing about you, but from your comment I know all I need to know.

Kurt Eskilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Bam! Man down! Don't call the Dr. though. He's already there, and he's responsible.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 8 months ago

There's a team rule that third year starters are not supposed to keep making the same stupid mistakes they were making the first day they stepped on campus.

Tyshawn has now driven the lane and committed a charging foul in 68 consecutive games. He's been known to charge into guys tying their shoe in the lane during practice. He charges more than a bull in a bullfight. He charges more than a AAA tow truck during a long winter in Duluth, MN. He charges more than a shopaholic hoarder with a purse full of credit cards at the Mall of America.

keith horinek 9 years, 8 months ago

Any chance this suspension is related to Marisha Brown on the women's team getting suspended too?

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

“Some Thoughts I Had While Banging My Head Against the Desk”

  1. Ow.

  2. Okay gang, time to ‘fess up: Who desecrated the Indian burial ground? Insulted the witch doctor? Urinated on the side of AFH? Because some angry force of nature has decided we are cursed to never have every player available for a game.

  3. “Y?” Factor, indeed. Dang it, Tyshawn, you are making it progressively harder for me to keep supporting you! I do, I do, I swear I do, but come ON, man! In late February? As a starting PG? As a Junior?! Regardless of the reason, there’s no excuse for a suspension at this point in his career. I will continue to be a fan and wish the best for both him and his teammates and hope that this all gets figured out and that (somehow) everyone is stronger for it, but the book is in my hand and it’s real close to getting thrown at him. You gotta be smart, TT. There are teammates who depend on you.

  4. This is going to hurt us. Regardless of what you think of TT’s play (and I do like him, despite his faults), missing our starting PG is going to mess with the team makeup. Hopefully it won’t do it too dramatically, or for very long, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we started off a little ugly tonight as we try to figure out just how we’ll adjust to the absence of a guy who averaged almost 30 mpg.

  5. But... This shouldn’t hurt us as much as it might on other teams. We’re neck-deep in talented guards, and Reed and Brady have demonstrated immense composure all season. Look for them to keep us steady in the opening minutes until those adjustments happen.

aviebs51 9 years, 8 months ago

Heres the deal, I was watching the game Saturday and I was thinking how do we get more out of our starting lineup? Well it seems like night in and night out the spot we weren't getting much was from the PG. Other than the twins Reed has been our most consistant scorer. With the exception of the KSU game the twins have been contributors on the offensive end and Kieff has controlled the boards. Morningstar has been a reliable ball handler. He knows where people are going to be and how to get the ball to them. He's not going to take dumb shots and hes not going to try to dribble penetrate and shoot one of those one handed runners off the backboard as hes fading out of bounds on the baseline. Tyshawn has been trying that shot all 3 years hes been here. It worked his second year. When he dribbles low he ends up getting in trouble and unfortunetly making a bad decision. I can handle some bad decisions on Offense if your being aggressive. This is what I can't handle: Making a bad pass and throwing your arms up in the air, expecing somebody else to get the rebound and when they don't you just stop and watch (again throwing hands up), when other people mistakes....throwing your hands up. Heres the deal, Tyshawn, obviously you didn't pay attention at all to KU when they were making a run to the National Championship. They didn't do that at all. They had a team attitude. The other thing that kills me is that Tyshawn thinks he's a lockdown defender. Tyshawn, the 08' team won the national championship because they had guards that worked their tails off, even when they weren't on ball. They were able to create easy baskets by getting steals. Tyshawn, I have seen you just stand in front of the guy like, this is my 3 point lane and I'm not going to give it to you, until you take 2 dribbles forward and than I'm going to back up two steps. There is no pressure on in you defense. Why do you think that they had to bring in EJ against Pullen? EJ is a much better on ball defender. He applies pressure and the same goes with Selby. After thinking about my starting lineup I was wishing there was a way to insert Selby for Taylor. Well Tyshawn it looks like you gave me my wish. I understand that these are kids, and they are. However, I was a former college athlete (albeit a D2 school) and we were preached and preached to about how we are held at a different standard. Tyshawn I don't know what you did but you need to realize that nobody cares about my facebook profile but they will search for yours because you are a star in public. It is what it is. I also doubt he got in trouble for grades/class work. He played Saturday and this story was broke this morning so no school days in between. Tyshawn, we do need you on this team. But if your not committed 110% than Tyshawn watch us and wish. This goes for any of the hawks that even allow themselves to be put in these situations. Your season has 6 more weeks.....FOCUS!

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

(cont.)

  1. One nice thing about our offenses, particularly our weaves, is that they're set up in such a way that every guard (usually) gets about the same number of open jump shots and/or opportunities to drive the lane. Guards are constantly switching from the wing to the point and back again.

As a result, our interim PG need only be responsible for a few things: bringing the ball up the court, throwing the first pass, and calling the plays. So all we need is someone who can (a) keep from getting stripped by the D, (b) keep from dribbling the ball off his foot, (c) not throw an immediate TO, whether that be to the D, to thin air, or, I dunno, to the coach, and (d) have the ability to speak.

I vote for the safe option, Brady (7-to-1 asst/TO ratio in B12 play is mighty hard to argue with), but I expect we’ll see a lot of switching, or more specifically, “Are you the guard closest to the baseline? Okay, then you bring it down the court.” Guard flexibility has been both our biggest strength and greatest weakness all season. Time to see which it’ll be without TT.

  1. Bill Self seems to put up with more of this crap than a lot of coaches (and some parents), which I think is a testament to how much he cares about these guys. I don’t think it’s a winning/losing thing for him. I’m glad we have Mario Little and I think he’s been a big help, but the truth is, we had such a deep bench in December that we didn’t -need-him. When he got in trouble, Self could have cut him loose, but he did what he felt was best for the player in the long-run. I feel like he’s trying to do the same thing for TT, and has been for some time. Here’s hoping TT (finally) gets it.

Good luck working this out, TT. Good luck against the first game in the Okie doubleheader, guys. I'll always be there to cheer you on... even if I do wanna grab you and shake you from time to time.

RCJH.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 8 months ago

Since we've got no one to defend quick and deadly point guards, we're going to have to outscore them. As for everyone else, the only real solution is to play BIG! Let Marcus handle it a bit more (seriously) & mix in Mario for muscle and Travis for his slashing ability. The other bench guards just aren't ready for primetime!

aviebs51 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't think we lose much defensively with TT being out. Brady and Tyrell have played on ball, on the PG's for a while now.....

aviebs51 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 on your last paragraph. We will always be there to cheer you on, regardless if we are pissed off, or regardless if we win or lose. Thats what makes KU fans the best fans in the world. It just gets so frustrating sometimes.....

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

To whoever said we're "risk averse" fans, you really haven't looked at the context of TT's turnovers and other bonehead plays: the VAST majority of the time there's no potential reward. They are trying to pass inside to a big and he doesn't even fake; the ball goes right into the D's hands. He dribbles off his foot while bringing the ball up. Etc.

Even if there WAS a proportional reward possible, when you consistently cannot reach that reward the risk is consistently leaving you emptyhanded... then yes - you should become risk-"averse".

... But, all this crap aside, it's really stupid to try to guess which ONE other guard on this team will be plugged into the PG spot on the lineup. On the floor, with this team, it won't really matter; We haven't had a strong PG on the floor all year, and we won't after today - but that's OK. We're still a 2-loss team, and there's no certainty that a stud PG would've been able to avoid those 2 losses. Think about it.

It's a weakness at times, but I think in the long run it's to our advantage to have 4 fluid options for the PG...and you all have already made great cases for each. The lineup can say whatever it wants, but a strength of this team is the interchangeable parts at the G positions.

Brady is a great 'ball mover' and post feeder. Good shot. Can't drive to the hole as well as some, but I saw him do it nicely a few times last game.

Selby has the advantage of getting inside for easier assists and can also create his own shot. Maybe a risk for more turns, but def. more of a reward potential (than other guards).

EJ, I love him, but seems a little green still. A little hesitant. I still llike to see him getting the ball instead of giving it. Spot up with some drive.

Reed could of course play this role, but he is way more valuable to the team as a spot-up guy. This value would be diminshed if he had PG resposibility.

Of all of them, Brady is the safer bet all-around... BUT my key is to ask "who would you rather have the ball START with?" (versus who would you rather have GETTING the ball).

My answer at this stage of the season would probably be Selby then EJ.

Steve Hengeli 9 years, 8 months ago

"then yes - you should become risk-'averse.'"

If you're correcting the misspelling of the word "averse," it's been noted. The word "adverse" has been on my mind lately.

That said, your point on Tyshawn is difficult to argue about. This is why I prefer statistical analysis. I tend to be a Tyshawn fan, so I don't remember a lot of bad post feeds. And he has dribbled off his foot, but that is unlikely to account for a majority of his turnovers. While I don't remember those things, I really don't want to get into a long argument over it because my memory could be selective. I think some of his good plays have been underrated throughout the year, but there is no denying he played terribly against KSU.

Besides, even though you purport to disagree with "whoever said we're 'risk averse' fans," you pretty much echoed my point on the advantages of Morningstar vs. Selby at the point. I have defended Tyshawn a lot this year, but I do not want to defend him today (and I never intended to in my previous post). I was only pointing out that there's a lot of upside to playing Selby over Morningstar.

Justin Lindsley 9 years, 8 months ago

Remembering the old days....... when we didn't have to suspend players every other week. This is starting to get out of control. How can some of these guys be so stupid. They do not appreciate what they have at all it seems to me. Pull your head out. Some day you will look back at your time as a Jayhawk and miss it. Treasure it. Do not take it for granted.

hip_gma 9 years, 8 months ago

Interesting strategy on Coach Self's part. "Suspend" a player a couple weeks shy of Big 12 tourney. This will give others who don't play much more playing time. Then bring back Tyshawn in time for the tourney and NCAA and have a deeper bench. Seriously, it just goes to show that all teams have issues, yes, even the Jayhawks, even the Dukies, even the Tar Heels, the list goes on

Judgesmails 9 years, 8 months ago

The funny thing here is that how many of you experts have actually touched a basketball? crickets

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

Played for over a decade. Come from a family of coaches. :-)

That being said, I'd never claim to be an expert. Just an avid fan who likes to ramble on message boards during my breaks at work.

7texdude 9 years, 8 months ago

The question for KU is defending the point on defense. We won't miss TT that much when it comes to running the team, but there will be a be a huge dropoff on defense. No way that Eli, Tyrell, Brady or Selby is a top defender. Opposing coaches will attack KU off the dribble.

Forget K-State for a second. Pullen went off and nobody was going to stop him last week. But TT was strong on defense in wins over Baylor, A&M and the home wins over KSU and Mizzou. Tyrell's got a sore foot, Selby looks lost out there at times on defense, Eli is foul-prone and Brady is not quick enough to stop an elite point guard.

I'm not saying the sky is falling because it isn't, but the concern has to be on the defensive end. There are a quick point guards in the country who will give us fits not only in the Big 12 tourney, but in the NCAAs as well. Watch the Big East and the ACC: the top teams have good point guards. Now, Self and KU have to figure out to stop them the last four games.

Go Hawks!

Dale Kroening 9 years, 8 months ago

Weve been getting beat off the dribble all year, so whats that going to change ?

HawkWife 9 years, 8 months ago

The most important thing Bill does is turn these boys into men. THAT matters more than games won. Accountablity. break a rule, get stupid, and see the result. A lot of these boys do not / did not have decent fathers -- Bill is the best thing they have had in their lives. The men they are becoming means a lot more than a game or 2.

Jerry Collins 9 years, 8 months ago

The reason Johnson and Shelby haven"t played as much so far is because they are wild guns throwing them up from everywhere. At best Shelby is the 7th best player we have. I'm not talking ability, but performance so far. It shows how uninformed the TV announcers are, they keep saying he's a key player to KU's success. He has to show it to convince me. I'm rooting for him but he has not lived up to the advanced hype, so far.

milehighhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

It shows how "uninformed" boarders are when they call Selby "Shelby" repeatedly.

docileboy 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe we can put Withey at the point, he is not quite as fast as TT, but handles the ball better. Pahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Craig Colgin 9 years, 8 months ago

Perhaps Taylor has done nothing wrong, and Coach Self is going to show this fan base exactly what this team looks like without him tonite. Lots of very very critical comments on TT this season. I doubt this is what's going on, but I think we can all agree after some recent other events, that those on the team do know what is being said on these boards. Im my opinion, while I love all these guys, if EJ or Selby runs the point tonight, we have more turnovers than we have all year, but hey, maybe not.

Dale Stringer 9 years, 8 months ago

Since it seems everyone has a theory about what TT did, here is mine: Sherron and Mario ask TT the hang with them after the game. No big deal. Until it comes to paying the bills at each place they eat or drink at. Who in town would not comp Mario and Sherron, right? Again, no big deal. Here is where to no-no happens: TT ends up getting his stuff comp'd too. Big, big deal! NCAA smack-down big deal. Forfeiture-type big deal. HCBS has to sit him down so the NCAA can make a decision and not take the whole team down. Well, just theory.

waywardJay 9 years, 8 months ago

Bravo, Kansas Fans. Eat your young like your Mizzou brethren.

Let's look at one of Bill's quotes......

“Although we are disappointed in Tyshawn, he will remain a member of our team and practice with our team until he is reinstated for competition,” Self said in a release.

key focal point.... Until he is reinstated for compeition, which means he will be reinstated... probably in short order. Brady was Drunk and operating a car, and everyone forgets about that. he was out 9 games...... We'll see how long Tyshawn is out.

HAWKTOPIA 9 years, 8 months ago

Tough but true.

TT COULD USE SOME PINE-TIME. On offense we will lose very little, and there are many who could step in, and a good excuse to see what the bench can bring. We do lose 5 fouls, but we have more of those too.

But we will not miss his defense one bit. i am so tired of watching his wide winged eagle stance, face up, just to let the dribbler fake once and go the other, either, way every time. you have to take something away, force to the weak hand, push the guy into the teeth of our team in the middle. just please take something away! the baseline, the jumper, anything!

if we get a better defensive performance out of whoever fills in, ITS A WINNER!

I really like TT, but his defense is a farce. guys even pull up and pop right while he's standing there, face up. While we are on the subject, i would also suggest that when we run our rebound/turnover offense, his inventive side is a loser too. we seem to score at will when we set up and make 5 passes. when we run up 3 on 2 its rebound time for the other team. TT leaves his feet before he knows what hes doing, and if he doesnt know, what do the others think he's doing????

Greg Lux 9 years, 8 months ago

If we have to lose a player to a non-injury. Then TT is the best choice. We are deeper at Guard then any other position and since TT has been a weak point guard lately ( even turning over the ball dribbling up court ) Although disciplinary suspensions are never good. They are disruptive to the team unity. This suspension could be the best thing to happen to the Jayhawks with 3 weeks left before post season. Lets hope TT's problem is easily handled as I would not want the twins and T-Rob pissed at me for messing up the team unity. They could hurt ya ...

Rock Chalk

jayhawkintx73 9 years, 8 months ago

Elijah Johnson hasn't gotten enough PT this year, and tonight he probably will. Might be a bit rusty, but if he gets settled in, he's quicker than TT is. He's also faster down the court and more athletic than TT is.

AirCapJay 9 years, 8 months ago

I can't believe all the posts here saying TT will not be missed much. Coach Self played TT for a reason. TT's defense was pretty good. His offense at 8 points per game is not too bad either. TT does turn it over too much. But come on... these posts here are ridiculous. You all think you know more about coaching than HCBS and his staff?

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Unless your a bible thumper and believe Self is the second coming of Christ.... Then the man is fallible.

Coaching at that level is like gambling. He bet on Taylor, and Taylor (so far) hasn't really paid off... But what if, by chance, he makes a bet he was kind of nudged into (Elijah/Selby) and hits the lotto?

Nothing at this level is guaranteed... It's about making educated guesses. So yes, we're hoping for the best when it comes to Elijah/Selby. That being said, Taylor really wasn't in his right mind and doing a whole lot as far as creation, but I still hope he gets his stuff straight and comes back to contribute.

ajhk 9 years, 8 months ago

307 comments and counting! Tell me this is some sort of record!

jayhawkfans2005 9 years, 8 months ago

Ok ku fans, lets look at this as positive. First thing maybe TT will learned that coach self is not playing around and doesnt tollerate rule breaking no matter who is in town. And second this may give someone else the chance to step up and be a true leader for this team. Reed, Selby, Morningstar, Releford anyone of these guys can step in and fill the void of TT. This could be a very big positive in turning this team around and getting them on track for a national title. This team has been some what of a team of rebels looking for attention. Hopefully now they can be a true team like the 08 title team. Only time will tell lets all have faith in coach self and the rest of his staff to make this terrible situation into a positive and lead them done the road to another title. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK GO KU !!!!!!!!!!

KGphoto 9 years, 8 months ago

I've got a real heavy feeling this may be the last straw.

It's not like Bill Self is gonna go out on a limb to save him at this point. If he isn't in trouble off the court, he's turning it over on the court. And if Selby stays healthy, we may even be better without him.

But I sure hope EJ finds his handles, cuz he just hit the fast lane.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

"When Self Says Its a Weird Team, Believe Him!"

~First, Self's wording makes reinstatement before season's end seem likely.

~Second, KU is going to overcome this, but it could get very ugly in the W&L statement until B12 tourney time. I said a couple days ago, I thought there was a significant chance KU would go .500 until TRob and Selby are back to 90%, which I assumed would be at the conference tournament. Now, I think its about a 50-60 percent chance KU plays .500 till the conference tourney.

~Tyshawn gone is a huge loss defensively. He is a terrific help defender most nights and even pretty good when he goes brain dead. Take him out of the help defender role and that means Brady and Tyrel have to play more help defense to compensate and that means their legs will get weary faster and their trey shooting will suffer.

~jaybate rule: when a player is lost, most often the player's role can be filled at least adequately--the problem comes in cascade of effects triggered by filling that role adequately.

~Losing Tyshawn against Okie State's mini-me, lightening-quick guards spells very big trouble for KU, even with yet another emotional wagon circling. Compound that with KU due for another off trey night, and things could get very dicey vs OSU. The good news is that without Anderson and Obi, KU should be able to play cram-it-down through the bigs 90 percent of the time and get a W, if our trey shooting at least stays 35 percent or better.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 8 months ago

It could be something as simple as TT and Marisha Brown stayed out too late on a date once too often (I don't even know if they are dating but the suspensions on the same day does seem more than coincidental). ESPN said there weren't any arrests associated with TT so that is a good thing.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

~People getting erect about Josh playing the point, recall the dead stump he dragged around the floor for 21 mostly pitiful minutes against CU. Unless Selby is much healed, he cannot effectively defend any of OSU's super flea guards. And how he is supposed to handle PG duties on one leg is beyond me.

~If you are Travis Ford, you definitely tell your super fleas to get up and under KU's guards on defense, and to put the ball on the deck on them every chance they see on offense. And if Self tries to play EJ, or Selby at the point, then Ford should have OSU's super fleas press like crazy. Self's counter, in turn, should be to use Marcus to bring it up the floor until Ford calls off the pressing.

~Self will use a committee at the point, as he has been doing.

~EJ will get his usual look, probably starting, to see if he can come out of his slump, but the leash will probably remain quite short and so Brady and Tyrel and Selby if he's got any life in the injured ankle will share.

~If Selby's ankle weren't injured, the offense might actually improve with the trio of BSTar, Reed and Selby. But he isn't, so it won't.

~Even if Selby is almost well, the defense will suffer, because while BSTar is a great help defender and on ball defender at the 3, he is not a proven commodity at point defense, and in any case he does not have the kind of sideline to sideline help defense range that TT has.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

~I wouldn't be surprised to see KU play some 3-2 zone tonight to protect the bigs and the perimeter players.

~I doubt that Bill Self knew TT was going to be getting suspended at the time of the CU game. If he had known that, he would not have limited TT to 20 minutes. He would have limited Brady to 20-25 minutes, so Brady would be fresh for the Monday night game. Self sitting TT as much as he did vs. CU meant that Self was anticipating playing TT big minutes against OSU's super flea guards.

~On the other hand, I have to believe that when Bill Self called this a weird team yesterday, he had an inkling of what was about to happen to TT. Bill Self does not have a history of calling his teams weird. They don't guard. They have 12 best players. They need to man-up. They are eight man rotation teams. Or they are 9-10 man rotation teams. But "weird?" Nope, that was a Freudian slip of some kind. That was Self thinking next, but slipping just momentarily into "WTF is going to happen next to this bunch. I am getting too old for this shiz."

~Still, the brevity of the story suggests that the trigger for the suspension is likely something a bit awkward and not something coaches run into every day. KU never just announces something "usual" in this terse of a statement. Terse statements are issued quickly to pre-empt leaks, while the PR team schemes the spin. If you have to scheme spin, it is something either dicey, or unencountered before. A coach and a school probably have recipes for how to announce certain frequently encountered bad news. They don't have to wait. They initiate the spin in the intial, pre-emptive statement. If the initial pre-emptive statement lacks spin, then the spin plan is being custom developed for this situation.

~KU's weirdest season gets weirder. Hunter Thompson would have loved it.

secrettoalonglife 9 years, 8 months ago

I remember the good old days, when the coach would take "care" of his players. Doug, haven't you explained this to Bill?

idks4jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Personally I think Taylor should have to sit in the locker room to watch the game and not get to cheer, celebrate, jump, bounce or whatever. He should not have his face on TV and he should be ashamed that he can't follow the rules. What an idiot. He shouldn't get the privilege of sitting on the KU bench with others who play by the rules.

CasperCorps 9 years, 8 months ago

Hmmmm...... Who was in town that could have gotten Tyshawn in trouble?.... Who could he have been with after the CU game?... Sure was good to see all the old players back for the game the other day... wonder when everyone got home the other night...

REHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

No, no, nothing like a major problem. I was just a bad bad boy.

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