Monday, February 21, 2011

Last OSU meeting might not motivate ‘weird’ KU

Kansas guard Sherron Collins leaves the floor with teammates as Oklahoma State fans rush the court following the Jayhawks' 85-77 loss, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.

Kansas guard Sherron Collins leaves the floor with teammates as Oklahoma State fans rush the court following the Jayhawks' 85-77 loss, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.


Master motivator Bill Self isn’t so sure he’ll use last year’s Kansas-Oklahoma State basketball game as incentive for tonight’s Big Monday rematch against the Cowboys.

“Oh, we’ll talk about it and show them (Jayhawks) tape why they guarded us well last year,” Self, KU’s eighth-year coach, said. “But this is a weird team I’m coaching, a team that is different.”

It’s a team (25-2, 10-2) that might be compelled to punish the Cowboys (16-10, 4-8) in retaliation for last year’s 85-77 beatdown (KU trailed 45-29 at halftime) in Stillwater, Okla.

Then again, it might not.

“They’ll get motivated to play, without question,” Self said of the Jayhawks, who thumped Colorado, 89-63, on Saturday in Allen Fieldhouse — the same day OSU dropped a 67-66 home game to Texas A&M.;

“We only have two more times to run out of the tunnel (tonight and March 2 vs. Texas A&M;). Just because you are motivated sometimes doesn’t guarantee you’ll play well. With this team, it seems the more energy we have, we play better.”

Of course, Self, if he chooses to do so, could remind the players of the tough practices that followed last Monday’s 84-68 loss at Kansas State.

“I would think our guys will understand better that, if we play well on Monday, the rest of the week has a chance to be more enjoyable than this past week for them,” Self said. “Hopefully we’ll play better. They did a good job against our stuff last year and beat us.”

James Anderson and Obi Muonelo, who are no longer with the Cowboys, scored 27 and 17 points respectively, while current Pokes Matt Pilgrim and Keiton Page added 18 and 15 on a day OSU hit 60.4 percent of its shots, including 10 of 19 threes.

“Keiton can shoot it,” Self said of 5-foot-9, 160-pound Page, who went 4-for-4 from three versus KU last year. The junior from Pawnee, Okla., enters with a 13.8 scoring average. “He is doing a great job running the team.

“A guy that always gives us problems is Moses,” he added of 6-7 senior Marshall Moses, who scored eight points off 4-of-4 shooting with seven rebounds versus KU. Moses, who averages 14.1 points a game, played just seven minutes Saturday because of illness.

“Pilgram was 8-for-8 against us last year (with six rebounds),” Self added of 6-8 senior Pilgrim, who checks in with a 4.8 scoring, 5.2 rebounding average.

“We know they don’t have James and Obi, but they’ve got players who can do some good things.”

The Jayhawks, who last Monday were burned by KSU guard Jacob Pullen’s 38 points, face a guard in Page who has had some similarly big games. He scored 26 points at Texas Tech and 19 versus Missouri, Iowa State and at Colorado. Page, a 39.5 percent shooter, has made 44 of 138 threes for 31.9 percent and 112 of 123 free throws for a deadly 91.1 percent.

“He is real good. He can shoot the heck out of the ball,” said KU senior guard Brady Morningstar, who hit four of five threes the first half vs. Colorado on Saturday, good for 16 points. “If you can do that, you will be on the floor. That’s what he does. We’ll take it (Page’s accomplishments) as a challenge and try to shut everybody down.”

The Jayhawks are 5-4 versus the Cowboys in OSU graduate Self’s eight seasons at KU. The Jayhawks have won the last 14 meetings in Allen Fieldhouse, dating to the 1990 season, yet just two of the last six in Stillwater.

“It’s different down in Stillwater, because I don’t know the last time we’ve won there,” Morningstar said. “We play them at home, which is good. They are a good team. They are very capable. We have to stay focused and get back on the court Monday ready to play.”

As far as revenge?

“I mean I don’t know if you can call it revenge. I guess you could because we lost there last year, but it’s a new year, new team,” Morningstar said. “We are at home. They’re very capable. I look forward to playing them.”


DSommersby 8 years, 12 months ago

Let's get it done Jayhawks! Focus on next play! Be present in the moment and really take advantage of these remaining regular season games. Maximize your efforts and chances out on the court and make the most of your chances and abilities when running out of the tunnel. This team has the talent. Listen to Mario and the other vets who tell you we have to turn up the defense. Let's go out there on Big Monday and turn up the heat on Oklahoma State. Go out there and ball!

Rock Chalk!

Ron Franklin 8 years, 12 months ago

Those are some interesting comments made by Self Re; this year's team.

What kind of team isn't motivated by a loss?

Sounds like it's easier to motivate these guys if they know they're gonna get a day or two off.....

Ron Franklin 8 years, 12 months ago

Those are some interesting comments made by Self Re; this year's team.

What kind of team isn't motivated by a loss?

Sounds like it's easier to motivate these guys if they know they're gonna get a day or two off.....

TanMan 8 years, 12 months ago

Here's some insider.... With Mario, X and company in town during All-Star Break, seems there was a moment where the 2008 guys were talking to the current guys: "You guys are good, fun to watch but can't guard anyone." "You will get a nice draw like you did last year but it will end soon if you don't start playing D." I used quotes and should paraphrase, but that's pretty close to it. I have seen this team play D and know they can do it, but when you are called out by those that have geen there, done that and brought home the trophy, you better strap it on and take these next few games to improve that part of your game. PLAY D Boys, there's enough balance on this team to do the rest but it starts on the other end of the floor. Listen to the TanMan!

Clarence Haynes 8 years, 12 months ago

Rio did not say that they can't guarad anyone, he said they don't guard anyone.

Clarence Haynes 8 years, 12 months ago

In the following article:

Mario is quoted as follws:

“I (Self) asked the guys to tell the team what they thought. The first thing ’Rio said (was), ‘Yeah, you guys are fun to watch, but you don’t guard anybody,’’’ Self revealed.

TanMan 8 years, 12 months ago

And, if you'll notice I said "Paraphrase"...GMAFB

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 12 months ago

i think we'll be fine tonight....we're now 1-0 in the stretch of four games that we should be undefeated at the end of the day.

KU 82 Okie St. 64

Go Jayhawks!

BCRavenJHawkfan 8 years, 12 months ago

If Page is allowed to go off as he did last year then it will be evident that this team flat out cannot play defense.

Sally Presson 8 years, 12 months ago

The Hawks will defend!!! this season has flown by and to realize there are only 2 more games for the guys to come through the tunnel, that's motivation enough!!! Thankfully my husband & I will be there!!! Our kids gave us tickets to tonight's game for Christmas and we didn't want to miss senior night, I can hardly wait!!! Rock Chalk!!! Finish off the conference undefeated these last 4 games. Then on to the NCAA being one of the 4 #1's. Love you guys!!!!

Ken Sedgwick 8 years, 12 months ago

Your kids gave you tickets? Wanna trade kids?

Phoggin_Loud 8 years, 12 months ago

I want to see them defend as much as anyone else, but defense takes determination. It's not as fun to defend, so you have to convince yourself to do it. That is the "toughness" that Coach Self preaches.

This team is "weird" because their best defenders are Brady & Releford. This team needs another "on-ball" defender to step-up. Elijah, Tyshawn, or Selby need to turn it up on the defensive end.

Ultimately, this team is 25-2 so they must be doing something right. However, they need to defend if they want to attain the ultimate prize in the NCAA Tourney. The K-State embarrassment may have been exactly what this team needed to realize this.

TanMan 8 years, 12 months ago

Totally agree... D = Determination! BTW, Awesome Avatar, time to go to Jayhawk logo on the helmet and away from the stupid KU trajan font

Phoggin_Loud 8 years, 12 months ago

Thanks, TanMan.

Actually, the avatar is the University seal on the side of the helmet. It would be unlike any other helmet logo being used in college football. They Jayhawk is nice, but it is all over the uniform now...side of pants & "name" space on back of uniform. The seal would add an additional element to the uniform. They are scholar-athletes. Why not represent the "academics" of the university?

I know it is as "weird" at the hoops team, but it could look really cool if done correctly. It would give almost a "FBI", "CIA", or "Secret Service" look. Regardless of one's view of these organizations, I think it would add a layer of intrigue...and be unique to college football.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 12 months ago

The theme of this season is the team's inconsistency.

The unspoken word though is the potential Depth of that inconsistency ["when she was good, she was very, very good but when she was bad she was horrid."]

I have no doubt that come March and our top nine rotation is healthy and playing at maximum capacity, there is truly no team in America we should lose to.

Will this actually happen? In 2008, I had no 2011 all I have is doubt.

At various times this year, this team has shown me enough to think 2nd round or Final Four are both definite possibilities.

The one consolation is that, as a team, we have yet to peak!!!!!

FLJHK 8 years, 12 months ago

Oakville: welcome back. Lots of folks have been sending you good wishes. Hope the surgery went well.

jaybate 8 years, 12 months ago

Self is weaponizing inconsistency.

Now he is characterizing his own team as "weird."

How does an opposing coach prepare his players for an inconsistent, weird team?

Who does the opposing coach try to scheme against?

Do you scheme against Marcus and expect Kieff to get zero rebounds and 3 points?

Of do you scheme for both Marcus and Kieff to keep Kieff from hanging 26 and 15?

Do you scheme against Tyshawn playing a well rounded game and penetrating effectively?

Or do you scheme for Tyshawn pop tarting 6 and missing everything in sight?

Do you scheme to keep Shelby from going off 8 for 10?

Or do you lay off him and let him make 2 of 9 with 4 TOs?

Do you scheme to keep the KU guards from each grabbing 4 reebs?

Or do you ignore them and hope they only grab 1 apiece?

Do you drill them on how to deny EJ six assists?

Or do you forget him and let him throw cross court passes to his coach?

Do scheme to crowd Little when he comes in to keep him from getting more points than the minutes he plays?

Or do you ignore him and let him shoot 5 times when he shouldn't?

Do you guard the stripe to keep Tyrel and Brady from shooting 60 percent?

Or do you sag and hope they shoot 20%?

Do you anticipate KU will be a relentless juggernaut on a roll?

Or do you expect them to be caught up in the next emotional crisis in what seems an endless stream of such?

Do you expect Self to challenge and work the referees in his favor the way he is so good at doing?

Or do you expect Self to sit and quietly let the refs go on making bad call after bad call?

What are opposing coaches and players to expect out of the basketball equivalent of The Adams Family.

Well, here are some things that have been predictable most of the time.

Brady and Tyrel are not going to bake pop tarts.

Most of the time The Twins are going to hurt you, even though they only go all out about 20 out of 30 minutes.

KU is going to live and die with m2m.

KU will play it any way you want.

Self will add wrinkles to get a few buckets.

Self will mask weaknesses.

KU will win 25 out of 27 times.

benshawks08 8 years, 12 months ago

Well said. This team is exactly as Self says "weird." Don't forget you may have to scheme to stop Brady for going for sixteen in a half just toying with his defender with step backs and behind the back dribbles to the basket or not taking a single shot and dishing assists and feeding the post like crazy. Is there a player that fits Self's philosophy more than that? No better example of take what they give you than Brady on Saturday.

Michael Luby 8 years, 12 months ago

Selby instead of Shelby but thats ok, I forgive you Jaybate. true though that the only thing consistent about this team has been its inconsistency. How hard that would be to prepare for. How would you even begin to tell your scout team how to play against your starters? Its crazy

Ron Franklin 8 years, 12 months ago

pretty sure his "shelby" comment was a comical jab, Lulu!! a joke aimed at the irony of fans calling him "shelby" as well as anouncers....

i was just going to post how funny it is to come across those random jaybatisms in a post...subtle, but funny!

chriz 8 years, 12 months ago

Tyshawn is suspended indefinitely! Woohoo!

ajhk 8 years, 12 months ago

Tyshawn suspended? Even though I always understood he's a liability and not the kind you can win with in a tournament, It still sucks. We've put so much time into him, and now it's all a waste? Too late in the season to bring someone else in I'd think. If we only had given Selby meaningful minutes at the point from the start this could be a dream come true. I'd think it's too late to get Selby tourney ready at the point.

Though Morningstar is great at handling it from the top of the key, he's not the best at bringing it up against good pressure.

Better late than never. Tyshawn will never be able to put together six performances good enough to win it all. Maybe 'Rio or Collins will stick around... we could call in some Hollywood makeup artists and blend them in.

Michael Luby 8 years, 12 months ago

Wouldnt that be the Bizz if KU could do that!? Just this one time?

benshawks08 8 years, 12 months ago

We run so much weave and high low that the title of point guard is a little over-rated on this team. It is more like the person who may occasionally drive to dish and that has and will continue to come from all three guard spots and even the four and five as well with the twins and pre-knee TRob (though he usually was more interested in finishing than dishing). Without Tyshawn, Selby is definitely the most skilled at getting by his defender but I would say Brady is the more skilled at making something good happen after he does. How Brady finds Reed open for three so often on those crazy often scary baseline drives always amazes me. It is even more impressive when you consider how little he turns it over.

Getting the ball up the court against pressure hasn't been a real problem for this team that I can remember since we usually have five guys on the floor that can handle and pass fairly effectively. EJ sometimes has some trouble passing out of pressure but his handle seems to be fine as far as getting it up the court.

Self always says it is best for teams to go through some adversity along the way and this team certainly has done so as much as any team I can remember. If it all gets sorted out they will be unstoppable, IF it all gets sorted out. Hopefully we will have at least a couple of games before the dance where everyone is healthy and ready to go without any major issues looming over their heads.

PhogAdvisory 8 years, 12 months ago

+1. Completely agree.

Because of the weave, our interim PG really only needs to be responsible for a few things: bringing the ball up the court, throwing the first pass, and calling the plays. So all we need is someone who can (a) keep from getting stripped by the D, (b) keep from dribbling the ball off his foot, (c) not throw an immediate TO, whether that be to the D, to thin air, or, I dunno, to the coach, and (d) have the ability to speak.

I vote for the safe option, Brady (7-to-1 asst/TO ratio in B12 play is mighty hard to argue with), but I expect we’ll see a lot of switching, or more specifically, “Are you the guard closest to the baseline? Okay, then you bring it down the court.” Guard flexibility has been both our biggest strength and greatest weakness all season. Time to see which it’ll be without TT.

mikehawk 8 years, 12 months ago

Wanted: Auditioning for new point guard to fit into "wierd" team already 20plus games into season. Team has history drama off the chart, including substance abuse, social networking abuse, fights, grief/loss, strange injuries you've never heard of, talent of unlimited amounts, not "can't, but won't" play defense consistently, myriad of fans who need lives and will have nothing to do when season ends in the second round....again.

benshawks08 8 years, 12 months ago

Seems a little harsh but can't really argue with it. Will this team ever be clicking on all cylinders?

onceajhawkalwaysajhawk 8 years, 12 months ago

Anyone know where to find the game on the internet beside espn3? We don't get it with TWC :(

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