Originally published December 18, 2011 at 02:29p.m., updated December 19, 2011 at 12:00a.m.

Tyshawn Taylor likely to play Monday against Davidson

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pulls up for a jumper during warmups prior to tipoff against Ohio State on Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pulls up for a jumper during warmups prior to tipoff against Ohio State on Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.


Kansas University senior point guard Tyshawn Taylor is expected to play in tonight’s game against Davidson, coach Bill Self said Sunday.

“Yeah, I do. I do think he’ll play, unless something happens negative today,” Self said before practice, asked if he thought Taylor would take the floor eight days after surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his right knee. “He’s going to go up and down a few minutes today, just a few. He won’t play 30 minutes or anything. If he doesn’t have a setback today, I think he’ll be OK to at least play a little bit tomorrow.”

Self confirmed after practice that there was no “setback.”

“He was good today,” Self said.

Self said Conner Teahan would replace Taylor in the starting lineup, giving KU a backcourt of Elijah Johnson and Teahan to open the 8 p.m. game at Sprint Center.

Self said Taylor shot on Friday “pretty much full-speed. We waited to see if there was any swelling, and there wasn’t. He practiced yesterday some, but only half court. We waited to see today if there was much swelling, and there wasn’t. We’re going to let him go up and down today a little bit — 10 minutes, 15 minutes — and see how he does there. We’ll wait and see tomorrow if there’s any swelling. But if there’s not, there’s no reason he can’t play some tomorrow.”

Self reminded the media that Thomas Robinson came back from the same injury in a similar period of time last year.

About Tharpe: Self said he did not know how much freshman point guard Naadir Tharpe would play tonight.

“It’s the hardest position to play, no question,” Self said of lead guard. “Naadir played a lot early in the exhibition games. He hasn’t played as well the past month. Since the Kentucky game, he hasn’t played as well. I hope he does (play more). Even if it’s giving us three to four minutes a half, that would be good for Tyshawn.

“He has to play better,” Self added of what it’ll take to play more. “You could say the same about any of our players if we don’t put them in. The reason guys don’t get into the game is you feel more comfortable with guys in the game than those not in the game. I’ll just leave it at that.”

Finally practicing: Freshmen Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor, who were ineligible first semester, are now practicing with the team.

“They are fitting in well,” KU junior Travis Releford said. “Those guys have been wanting to play since they’ve been here. It’s good to have them. They’ve been making the team a lot better the last couple days.”

McLemore, 6-foot-5 from St. Louis and Traylor, 6-8 from Chicago, will have four years of eligibility remaining starting next season.

“Ben and Jamari have been practicing well. They’ll be fun to watch next year for sure. We wish we could have had them the entire year,” senior Conner Teahan said. “Ben’s defense is great; Jamari’s is great. They make it harder on T-Rob and the guards. It’s something that gets overlooked. How much they will bring to the table in practice is making us better.”

Back home: Teahan, who is a graduate of Kansas City (Mo.) Rockhurst High, said it’ll be fun to play in KC’s Sprint Center.

“We call it Allen Fieldhouse East,” Teahan said. “I think the Sprint Center is awesome.”

KU is 13-2 all-time in Sprint Center and 212-83 in KC. KU has played at least one regular-season game in Kansas City in 22 of the last 24 seasons, including every year the Sprint Center has existed.

About Davidson: Davidson, located in Davidson, N.C., has an enrollment of 1,900. Davidson is 2-0 in Southern Conference play, a league the Wildcats have won seven times in the last 11 seasons. ... coach Bob McKillop is 407-266 in 23 years at Davidson.


dylans 8 years, 6 months ago

KU needs Tyshawn in the lineup as soon as he is well enough to contribute. Haters are gonna hate.

tical523 8 years, 6 months ago

Agree, but I did see a silver lining in hoping that Tharpe would have a couple of solid games with increased minutes to build some game-time confidence. I do not believe Taylor would rust or lose anything if he had to rehab and miss one or two games. That being said, great news his knee is strong again so quickly!!

LAJayhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

He'll only play a handful of minutes if he does play. Tharpe will still get significant time, one would think.

Ben Kane 8 years, 6 months ago

sounds to me that Tharpe would be lucky to see a couple minutes anyway. it is clear coach doesn't trust him out there right now.

Joe Satterwhite 8 years, 6 months ago

I wasnt hating I just really wanted to see Tharpe in the lineup

Sean Rodger 8 years, 6 months ago

& Tyshawn lovers are going to continue to make excuses. The one excuse you can't hide from is his 1.6 assist - turnover ratio.

Sam Constance 8 years, 6 months ago

I didn't realize "KU is better with Tyshawn" was an excuse.

More like an observation of fact.

TheGiftedOne 8 years, 6 months ago

I forgot playing division one PG was easy. Maybe you can show us how its done loser.

baldwinjhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Your right... I'm not a fan of his. I was hoping that during this cupcake run the next 2 weeks tharpe would get some playing time.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

I'd rather be certain that the knee has had ample time to recover. Pretty sure we can beat Davidson w/out TT and give Tharpe some PT before Big 12 play. Why take any chances?

jhox 8 years, 6 months ago

I hope he doesn't have a setback. We need him for the conference season. I assume the doctors won't let him go if he's not ready.

lee3022 8 years, 6 months ago

Tyshawn and Thomas are tough guys who play through pain and rise to meet each challenge. The guy, Sullinger, from Ohio State? Not so much. He is beginning to earn the sobriquet 'wus' by his response to some pain.

I am not one to throw stones and this sounds like a contradiction. I do hope Sullinger gets well and plays each remaining game. I also hope KU plays Ohio State in the tournament with Sullinger. Thomas will get really good reviews from that matchup.

Evan Ridenour 8 years, 6 months ago

Sullinger is starting to look more and more like Oden-light.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

No way..Sullinger is nothing like Oden.

82 total games total since being #1 in 2007. Maybe Kevin Durant would have been a better choice. Hindsight but Oden's body always looked much older than he was.

Oden had microfracture surgery on his right knee before 1st game. Then ligament damage to left knee followed by microfracture surgery on same knee.

Now more knee issues a possible microfractures in his foot will probable end his career.

Back spasms and a bone bruise pale in comparison.

Steve Stipanovich # 2 in '83 is a better comparison though w/today's sports medicine that might not be fair. I first though of Sam Bowie but he averaged 51 games over 10 years.

And let's not forget Bid Dub.. I don't think he was a 'wus' after playing a total of one minute after first popping his shoulder Jan 6 2004... No way we lose to a 'Fine' Syracuse team with a healthy Wayne.

Sullinger will be set to go come conference time. He isn't injury prone (or he would have been a top 3 draft pick last year). His body type looks what you would dream of as a Sophomore (Unless your TRob)..not anything like Oden.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 6 months ago

We don't need any of our players playing like anybody on the K-State Team. Their best players wouldn't be on the starting line-up on our "down year" team.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Did Gottlieb have his pants on correctly when he said it?

Alohahawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Reading between your lines, are you insinuating Gottlieb had them on a** backwards, sort of the way his head is attached?

Sam Constance 8 years, 6 months ago

I would love to see the context in which that comment (about KSU taking the Big 12 this year) was made, because all KSU has done to this point is proven that they are going to be better than most expected. Not sure they've shown anything that would lead a rational, thinking person to believe that they had what it takes to win the Big 12 in a season where everyone will have to play in Allen Fieldhouse once.

KU is down this year, but clearly not as down as most believed. Seems like potential Big 12 contenders should have to show more than a pulse to be considered as possible conference winners.

Then again, I get the impression that Andy Katz is one of those types who likes to toss out improbable, but not completely outrageous, "predictions" just for shock value. He's also one of those media types that likes to get a smirk on his face when fans/etc. question the wisdom of the media analysts, as if to say "stupid fans are so unreasonable, don't they know we're just tossing darts most of the time?"

Brian Conrad 8 years, 6 months ago

HA they went to overtime and have 2 other close games against teams not even in top 150.. MU may be good , but KU would be beating teams like they have played by 30. Oklahoma State looked weak last night in loss from NM.. have not seen Baylor... KSU can not beat any of the aboveon the road and stands will be empty after couple home losses. the only game they will fill up is for KU..

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 6 months ago

Okay, seriously...does Self have a problem with Tharpe?

Why on earth would he even consider letting TT play less than a week after surgery and so steadfastly refuse to pull him when he is playing poorly?

Jacobpaul81 8 years, 6 months ago

When did he play poorly? He had what, something like 11-13 assists in that game against Ohio State? Sure, he had 7 turnovers... that's a better ratio than Sherron Collins put up his entire Kansas career... and Bill rarely ever pulled him... even though he should have.

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 6 months ago

1.3-1 assist to turnover margin.

At the very least that should get you benched for a few minutes after you've thrown the ball away 3 or 4 times in a row...I haven't even seen that happen.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

Did you see the end of the Duke game? Still..TT is the engine that will drive this team.

I would like to see Tharpe get SOME PT..maybe in that time you said "even though he should have".

Maybe HCBS is giving him his pink slip.

rockchalkchalkin23 8 years, 6 months ago


I'm wondering the same thing. How could it possibly be that bad to get him 5-10 min? Use Ty if we absolutely need him. It's a home game, vs a mediocre team. A great chance for some guys to get some quality minutes in a less stress environment. A few extra days of rest and a return @ USC, how is that bad for the team or Ty?

klineisanazi 8 years, 6 months ago

According to the article "Ty" won't play much.

Chuck Woodling 8 years, 6 months ago

Welcome back, Gary. Good to see your byline again.

Mike Kendall 8 years, 6 months ago

Did Gary go somewhere? Did I miss something?

Jack Wilson 8 years, 6 months ago

This is a trap game .. vs. mid-major, a pretty good one; Davidson was leading Duke at halftime, at Duke; we're coming off a huge win vs. the #2 team; we've had a 9 day layoff; minds on finals; TT is hurt; and we're at the Sprint Center .. lost there before when not expected to.

No cupcake here if we're off our game.

Mike Kendall 8 years, 6 months ago

Not so fast Senior fella!!!!! TT -- make sure you can go 100%. Like someone said above, we need you for the Conference grind. Rock Chalk!

BalKUrog 8 years, 6 months ago

It is extremely important for TT to play now, as soon as possible, to fine tune his game. This is the time of year good teams become great benefiting from extended practice time- no school, HCBS has the players all to himself with no distractions. TT will work on understanding when to push his scoring opportunities with discretion (ie, when the defense gives it to him). When he does that consistently; we will have our run to the final four.

jhawk23 8 years, 6 months ago

Truth: Taylor's assist-to-turnover ratio is 1.09 (if a little entity known as ESPN is to be considered a reliable source). Not great. Not good. Not even okay. Pretty damn bad. Especially for the starting point guard for The University of Kansas.

Game, set, match, Taylor apologists.

Sincerely, Unapologetic Taylor Hater

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

Actually his assist-to-turnover ratio is 1.5 over his career.

Sam Constance 8 years, 6 months ago

Truth: KU isn't 7-2 without Taylor running the point. So whine all you want about some single metric. I can see that Taylor's value to The University of Kansas is far deeper than some line in a box score. But, I have an understanding--albeit very basic--of the game of basketball. You clearly don't.

Game, set... oh wait, I'm not a douche, so I'll just leave it there.

PS - Not sure what type of person takes pride in being a "hater", but I can't imagine it's one that KU needs as a fan.

jhawk23 8 years, 6 months ago

Should I have said, "game, set, point plank'n?" Wouwd that have made you feew bettew?

BalKUrog 8 years, 6 months ago

Down 1 with 32 seconds to play. The opposing team's defense is stifling. Game over if KU doesn't have a guard that can create offense off the drive.

Game, set, match, Taylor Hater.

Perhaps this is why you aren't a BB coach.

Scott Smetana 8 years, 6 months ago

Off Subject, but this is pissing me off so bad seeing articles written about how good the Mizzery Tigers are this year. Have you seen their pathetic schedule? Cal is horrible. Mizzery's SOS is #254, and that's before they played William and Mary today. What a joke they're ranked above us.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

Mostly cream puffs..such as Kennisaw (formally Kennisaw State a small 4yr teacher college in Atlanta area).

But w/wins over Villanova, Cal and Notre Dame..not UM's fault if down years. If you've seen them play you must not have been paying close attention. This is a good (not great) Missouri team.

Don't underestimate this being there last Big 12 season, youknow they want to go out in style.

Mike Kendall 8 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, PikesPeakSmitty, wait till they start playing Conference games. Baylor, Texas, K-State & KU. Then, we will see if Missouri is any good. I think they are quite good at the guard position but their bigs can't compete with a team that has better bigs. I have seen them twice this season. Nothing to growl about---get it---Tiggers!

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 6 months ago

Anyone else heard anything on JUCO Luke Cothron? 2010 Rives #45 overall 6'8 PF

BalKUrog 8 years, 6 months ago

Again on the subject of Tyshawn Taylor, my final thoughts on the matter:

  1. Every team is comprised of players that are multi-facted.
  2. TT greatest skill is the ability to create offense.
  3. KU without TT is mid-level.
  4. KU with an out of control TT is good.
  5. KU with an in control TT that can pick his spots to jump start and sustain the offense is elite.

Without question, Coach Self is working with his entire roster of multi-facted players, including and especially TT, to maximize our team's potential.

We won't know whether we will be good or elite until the final stretch. It is early in the season.

jayhawka15fan 8 years, 6 months ago

I'm not a TT hater or lover. However, a lot of "his" turnovers this season have to do with the receiver of the passes and their ability, or lack there of, to seal their defender. I am talking about this year vs prior years. Some of his mistakes have been blatently stupid, others have been "I've got it, you take it." RCJH!!!

kufankam 8 years, 6 months ago

you are spot on... i think what makes it so frustrating is the careless ones where HIS defender steals a one handed pass that he is making or when he dribbles it off his foot. those are the ones that frustrate me. the ones where the guy catching it thinks it is for someone else and lets it sail over his head are more understandable. the problem i think TT has with some of the people that "hate" on him is that the "tweener" turnovers add up against him (as he has the ball a lot). then, sprinkle in the careless ones and you have a guy people love to hate. if one of the categories can be eliminated, he would be fine. in his case, the only one in his control are the careless ones.

rockchalkchalkin23 8 years, 6 months ago

"Mid-level" without Ty and elite when he "can pick his spots to jump start and sustain the offense." Seriously? Who is he, Michael Jordan's clone?

Tony Bandle 8 years, 6 months ago

Not a hater..not an ardent admirer..just the facts...Kansas is 102-16 during Taylor's career. Either his contributions were significant or his shortcomings were marginally negative in the big picture.

machinegun 8 years, 6 months ago

Really looking forward to Tyshawn playing his 10 minutes tonight. Coach Self must have had considerable confidence in TT against Ohio State, bad knee and all. You don't play a guy with a torn meniscus and sprained MCL against a top 5 team unless you desperately need his leadership on the court.

I am amazed that Tyshawn was able to play injured for that many minutes against Long Beach St. and Ohio St. Tyshawn delivered in a big way...because of his work ethic, dedication and overall commitment to the team. Tyshawn knows how to compete and proved it!

Stat Guy, you still want to talk about his turnovers???

REHawk 8 years, 6 months ago

As our entire squad gleans game minutes and develops, Tyshawn's overall turnovers will lessen. At times, he has played a much more sped-up game than his teammates who have not been quite in sync with some of his super quick moves and passes. His careless turnovers often pop up either early in a contest, or when he tires, approaching 30 minutes of action. This team is wise and experienced in practice time efforts toward mastering Bill Self Ball, but still quite young in regard to seasoned playing time. The Dukies caught us at a juncture when the Jayhawk squad was not yet fluid against top ten competition. Even so, they got an extraordinary finishing boost from a hot handed bench player to squelch us. Sometime in February this current squad will come together as a well oiled machine, ready to go to the wire with anyone. And TT's assist to turnover ratio will improve significantly as we roar down the stretch to another league title and a shot at the national championship.

REHawk 8 years, 6 months ago

It now appears that Naadir Tharpe, unless he pulls a Kevin Young type performance out of his socks, is destined for only spot duty in the near future. Bill Self is bearing down heavily on his freshman point guard and fanbase, indicating that the most to be expected will be 4 or 5 minutes per half, unless injury to a starting guard or Teahan should alter that schedule. I am somewhat surprised that TT might be brought back so quickly...but what the heck do I know about such surgical repair, or, for that matter, Bill Self style winning basketball. No one, not even the Knights or Phelps or Bilases of the Division I basketball world can argue with the fact that Bill Self knows how to construct and maintain winning percentages from season to season.

REHawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Speaking of Kevin Young, it will be interesting to see if his minutes will increase this week. If he continues to climb, his game should help this team immensely during the league season. On the offensive end of the court his moves create a difficult matchup for many defenders. Beneath the basket, Kevin is doing lots of moving while other players are standing.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 6 months ago

KY is not nicknamed "slick" for nothing, you know!! :)

Steve Gantz 8 years, 6 months ago

How does he even enter into this conversation? They were both starters, correct?

REHawk 8 years, 6 months ago

To label Brady a nincompoop is to question the very essence of Bill Self basketball. After graduating from high school, Brady spent 6 years of dedication toward making his mark in a Jayhawk uniform. He became a master at moving the ball with few turnovers. Conner appears to have followed much in his footsteps. Tyshawn could benefit from a bit more of the economy of Brady's style of play. To date, I would say that Brady came closer to producing at 100% personal efficiency than any Jayhawk guard has yet approached this year. If TT and EJ can harness their tremdous athleticisms to Brady's focus and efficiency, the sky is the limit for each of them. Brady had learned that when the ball changed courtside at least thrice on the offensive end of the court, with no turnovers, good things usually followed. The current squad has the right inclinations in place, but turnovers sometimes smother our flow.

kellerman411 8 years, 6 months ago

I can't take anymore, get him off the court. Please.

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