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Friday, December 16, 2011

Keegan

Charlie Weis deal looks smarter every day

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Every day Charlie Weis spends on the job, Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger looks smarter for gambling that a football coach with such a high profile would be eager to get into grinder mode to embrace the challenge of upgrading a football program that finished two games out of ninth place in a 10-team conference.

Since taking the job, Weis has kept busy juggling three balls:

  1. Assembling a staff that will aid him as he performs the duties of head coach and offensive coordinator.

  2. Deciding which players don’t fit and letting them know they won’t play if they stay.

  3. Hitting the road for new recruits. He already has been doing so aggressively, even paying a visit to TCU commitment Tyler Matthews of McPherson, the state’s top quarterback prospect (Matthews remains committed to the Horned Frogs).

Zenger also looks smart for the timing of getting Weis signed and the details of the contract.

Weis needed the full five years of the contract guaranteed and a $2.5 million annual salary, plus incentives, for the deal to appeal to him. Zenger needed protection against NFL teams — think: Kansas City Chiefs — from stealing his coach. He got that in the form of a buyout that stipulates KU must be paid $2.5 million for releasing Weis in the first four years of the deal, $1.5 million in the final year. That clause also removes any doubt recruits might have had about how long Weis plans to remain KU’s football coach.

Such a contract is called a compromise. Are you listening, Washington?

Had Zenger delayed in identifying Weis or had Chiefs coach Todd Haley’s final straw — a blowout loss to the New York Jets that featured a Haley meltdown so intense that he drew a rare unsportsmanlike conduct penalty — happened a week earlier, Weis might have wanted to look at the Chiefs’ job. We’ll never know. This much we do know: Weis, so far, has been a tireless recruiter, because he knows that’s necessary to upgrade the talent.

In the past few days, Weis has made trips to South Bend, Ind., McPherson and both sides of Kansas City.

While in South Bend, Weis visited, among others, Notre Dame transfer Dayne Crist, who was in attendance in Allen Fieldhouse for KU’s victory against Ohio State. Crist, a pro-style quarterback who has one year remaining and is eligible immediately, also visited Delaware and was scheduled to take a two-day trip set to conclude today to visit with the Wisconsin coaches. Rivals reported that Jake Heaps, who started 15 games at Brigham Young, is on Weis’ radar as well.

A national name, Weis will recruit nationally, as he did at Notre Dame. So far, the only assistant coach retained from Liberty University football coach Turner Gill’s staff has been running backs coach/recruiting coordinator Reggie Mitchell, who likely will surrender the latter half of his title to Rob Ianello, former Notre Dame recruiting coordinator who went 2-22 as head coach at Akron.

Wide receivers coach David Beaty, who has strong Dallas recruiting ties, also has a shot at joining the offensive staff. Weis hasn’t named a defensive coordinator yet, but look for him to do so soon, and look for it to be someone other than Jim Leavitt.

Comments

Graczyk 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not impressed with the Rob Ianello hire. He got good recruits at ND, but can he do it at Kansas? He also did worse that TG in his two seasons at Akron. I would like more information on this guy.

Sam Brockert 2 years, 11 months ago

Grunhard is a former pro bowler who has coached young men to a state championship..And he is coaching the position he went to the freaking pro bowl for? So your saying his OL experience will not serve him well?

swavity 2 years, 11 months ago

Well, technically Matt Cassel is a former Pro Bowler, too...

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

I disagree. Weis had a 9 and 10 win season at ND. Make multiple BCS bowl game appearances, and would never have been fired with that record at KU. Grunhard took a horrible Kansas high school and turned them into a 5 time conference champ and a state champion. Not to mention he started over 160 games in the NFL.

Bill Snyder is a great coach, but I don't think it is fair to know Weis who has 3 SUPERBOWL rings as a OC and multiple BCS game appearnces at ND to little OLD Bill who will be gone again in a couple seasons.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Ianello is another guy with a good name. There are a lot of poor coaches that make great coordinators.

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Right. And as I recall, most people were all giddy about Turner Gill. Well, how do you feel about him now?

JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 11 months ago

Wrong. As I recall, most people on this (and other KU related boards) were not giddy about Turner Gill. Most of us did not understand the hiring of a coach with a losing record on a mid-level conference and were shocked by the one sided contract.

bjejayhawk69 2 years, 11 months ago

I don't any one who was giddy about Gill being hired. Hopeful maybe but giddy - hardly.

Austerity 2 years, 11 months ago

Are you Freaking kidding? Giddy? I don't remember being more disappointed in a hire at Kansas, ever. The days of Terry Allen became nostalgic.

I will admit however, the word giddy could be used when HCCW was announced.

EverRisingHawk 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm all for detraction if it amounts to anything even resembling insight or advice. However, a lot of the negativity on this site masks a complete lack of substance. A critic with something to offer is welcome. A critic with nothing to say is just pi$$ing in the wind.

Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 11 months ago

The true value of this hire is in recruiting. Ianello has as good (or better depending on who you ask) a reputation at recruiting as Reggie does and in different areas of the country. If you look at the top recruits Weis got at ND, Ianello was often listed ass the lead recruiter.

Mat Davis 2 years, 11 months ago

My only concern with Weis is that he'll run a pro style offense, and for that to work in college, you have to have tremendous athletes (LSU, Alabama, Georgia). With the team he has inherited, I think it will be an extreme challenge to put points on the board. There aren't enough threats at WR to spread a defense out, and there isn't a QB (Crist would help a ton) to run the scheme well. The RBs are stacked, but the defense will just put 9 guys in the box and dare KU to throw it vertically. We're still in the honeymoon phase, but it'll be interesting to see what happens if we don't look good and lose a good bit, which may very well happen.

Ben Kliewer 2 years, 11 months ago

Good point. But I think people will be more willing to give Weis a chance than Gill...but we'll see. The play calling on the field will show a lot. Even if they don't execute, if the coaching staff is calling plays that make sense (not a run on 3rd and long, etc.) it might be a bit more forgivable.

JamesA 2 years, 11 months ago

There isn't much room for greater disappointment, considering the recent seasons.

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Coaches calling plays that makes sense is a bit of a mystery. Snyder drives KSU fans nuts with his ultra conservative and predictable play calling but yet it works. Well see what Weis can do.

Larry Bauerle 2 years, 11 months ago

And obviously they know better than he, since he is such an unsuccessful hack.

Kent Wells 2 years, 11 months ago

Probably the worst thing for a doctor to say is: OOPS

JHawk74 2 years, 11 months ago

Mike Leach would have the same problem as Weis of with his offense. Leach would need a QB and WR's. Let's give Weis time to get his recruits and transfers to Kansas before we doubt him as a coach.

Micky Baker 2 years, 11 months ago

Jacorey Sheperd and Marquis Jackson? Both were injured down the stretch. Kale Pick is also here next year and we're getting a pretty good Tight End from Waco. Don't forget about Christian Matthews and Breshears. Patterson going to get a medical redshirt?

Tre Parmalee as a receiver?

KGphoto 2 years, 11 months ago

Don't forget Jimmay Mundine, Chris Omigie, Andrew Turzilli, Brian Maura, Trent Smiley, Neal Barlow, Eric McGriff.

These guys are all redwoods and anyone of them could emerge as a star under a new, pro, system and a tall pro style QB like Crist. Tall guys throwing to tall guys is tough to defend.

Ben Kliewer 2 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, but the flip side of that is that Gill is undeniably a good recruiter. Just not a good head coach...at least at a BCS school in a tough BCS league. So, Ianello comes into question. He got good recruits at Notre Dame. Great. Can he do it at Kansas? Maybe, it looks like being able to throw the Weis name around will help. He did worse at Akron than Gill did at Kansas, but nonetheless, Gill is still a good recruiter. He had one of our top ranked recruiting classes of the last decade coming to his 3-9 school...Good recruiter does not a good head coach make...and a bad head coach does not a bad recruiter make...they're different talent arenas. We'll see what he does.

jhawkrulz 2 years, 11 months ago

I think that you meant to say that Gill is not a good recruiter: Year One: I believe that I use to say that Gill did a good job by retaining all of the recruits MM had recruited. Now I would actually question whether that was good or not. If I recall right they switched offensive styles, and if you are going to switch styles than you would want to get the players that fit your style. That was one of our highest ranked classes, and I think some of it was due to the number of recruits. Year Two: This was TG's first class on his own. He did a pretty good job, he landed solid three star recruits and scattered a few four-star recruits. Granted most of the time you are going to have freshmen, red-shirt, but in this case most of his recruits didn't even make it consistently on the practice field. In addition, some of the top recruits actually didn't make it from an elgibility standpoint (not all TG fault-that happens). I would point out that selling playing time wasn't a problem in this year. Again a lot of recruits, pretty good recruiting class. Year Three: Had between 12-15 scholarships available, and was only able to fulfill between 6-8. Six at the time he left, he had eight committed at one point in time. He had two decommits. He only had one defensive player committed (everyone knows we need more than one person on defense). He had no 4-star recruits and one of the commits was not even ranked.

I realize that TG got credit for being a great recruiter, but he really wasn't when you look at what he went after.

JamesA 2 years, 11 months ago

Charlie needs to get into some of the living rooms that Snyder has been frequenting. Make a statement to the Staters that none Bill's guys are a "sure thing".

-All for now from the bowels of Anshutz.

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

Bill Syneder is 72. His second tour will be over in 1 to 2 years and I think it will prevent him from strongly recruiting 4 year players. Let him play up some JUCO kids...

Bob Forer 2 years, 11 months ago

Hey. I am as excited about Weis as the next guy, but geeze, can we have at least a one day hiatus on Charlie Weis stories. Everyone needs a chance to breathe, including the coach.

Scott Morgan 2 years, 11 months ago

Me thinks Chip Weis likes all the good press he can get. He is by the way recruiting, and not stuck up self absorbed blue chip hoopsters either.

Kids coming to KU do read the news about a prospective new coach.

Maracas 2 years, 11 months ago

Because you'd rather local media go on and on about hoops only, perhaps? It's nice that KU football is being talked about not only locally, but nationally - and in the post season, too. We finally have a coach both local and national media want to interview and talk about. It's good for the program and good for the school.

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

The only problem is that outside of the KC are the Weis hire is not regarded as a good hire. We'll see who is right.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 11 months ago

That's why the Trib, ESPN, and so many other major news (papers) are running positive article on him.

Sam Constance 2 years, 11 months ago

The only person I've seen rip the Weis hire was that a** clown ESPN has doing some writing for college football, Brock Huard.

You know, the same one who classified UNC as the "top" opening in college football?

The same one who declared that KU needed major facilities upgrades 2 years after undergoing a HUGE football facilities upgrade?

In other words, the jackass who hasn't got a clue. Not too worried about his opinion though...

rockemchalkemrobots 2 years, 11 months ago

I doubt you are as excited as the next guy, based on the rest of your post. I also doubt that Charlie Weis wants a breather from all the free advertising he is getting for the program.

Kevin Studer 2 years, 11 months ago

I am starting to think 100 was actullay Turner Gill posting. Haven't seen him in quite a while. Recruit! Believe! Speeeed!

Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Good article Keegan... I agree. Weis has looked pretty good so far. The team will certainly have more talent on the field next year. They are mostly Gill's guys, but he did recruit pretty well so that is not a bad thing. The interest around the team and the season ticket sales should really get a boost from Weis. For a team not in a bowl game I am pretty excited to read about KU football every day.

Mike Kendall 2 years, 11 months ago

I, too, believe it was a smart hire. Time will tell if the the 4 & 5 star recruits start coming to Lawrence. And, I like the football stories during the basketball season.

Ben Kane 2 years, 11 months ago

2 months ago i wouldn't have gambled your money that i'd be enjoying football articles this time of year.

I'm just excited to be excited. granted the product on the field next year will likely bring us back down to reality a bit, but for now I haven't been this excited about ku football since the orange bowl. and even that season I knew we were rather flukey and would regress towards the norm the next year.

Carter Patterson 2 years, 11 months ago

Keegan, this article is like "humble pie" for all the bashing you've done on the Weis hire.

Noweigh 2 years, 11 months ago

Tom...keep up the articles on Weiss and the football program in general. Recruits read about us (and other schools) online all the time. We have basketball articles year round and football should be no different. Football is the real money maker over time and right now we can finally take advantage of a positive spotlight after two and a half years of bad KU football news on and off the field. Keep it going!

miltnewton 2 years, 11 months ago

Heard Weis was at Rockhurst High making the rounds yesterday. Very wise.

railer20 2 years, 11 months ago

He coached Bishop Miege....he wasn't from Kansas originally I don't believe

Jason Keller 2 years, 11 months ago

Don't you mean "very weis"? Geez I crack myself up...

Jim Jackson 2 years, 11 months ago

Weis needs to keep Beaty, shouldn't even be an issue. The man can coach and he can certainly recruit Texas. As for Ianello, not sure how I feel about him being recruirt coordinator. Mitchell has recuited some sick NFL players in his time (Rashard Mendenhall, Pierre Thomas) so I hope Reggie and him can share the duty.Go Hawks!

Clarence Haynes 2 years, 11 months ago

Ianello is the recruiting coordinator, not the exclusive recruiter. I would be surprised if Mitchell did not do any recruiting going forward. He's too good at it.

rockemchalkemrobots 2 years, 11 months ago

Thomas was already at Illinois when Mitchell got there. Mitchell did recruit Charles Rogers, Plaxico Burress, TJ Duckett, Kellen Davis, Arrelious Benn, Juice Williams, Vontae Davis, Jon Asamoah... He likely also had a role in getting Gilbert Brown, Dana Stubblefield, and June Henley.

Robert Brock 2 years, 11 months ago

KU shouldn't bother recruiting Texas unless we start beating the top programs for big-time jocks. It is probably not going to happen.

JayDocMD 2 years, 11 months ago

Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

dylans 2 years, 11 months ago

Almost half of KU's current players are from Texas.

Brak 2 years, 11 months ago

Maybe Brock shouldn't bother posting unless he actually has some idea what he is talking about. Most of our roster has always been from TX, are you saying that if you can't compete with the UT for the 5 star recruits we shouldn't recruit in TX at all, how does that even make any sense?

Mike Barnhart 2 years, 11 months ago

Weis is a good hire but I'd kinda' like to know what he meant when he admitted the poor chemistry of his staff at ND was a factor in their lack of success. If that's true, why does it seem like he's "putting the band back together" at Kansas?

The DC hire is going to be crucial. I've got my fingers crossed!

jgkojak 2 years, 11 months ago

People learn.

Think back to your first job/jobs in your field-- did you make mistakes/do dumb things you would never do now? People grow, learn and change - at least smart people do- and Weis seems smart.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 11 months ago

The chemistry was bad doesn't mean all the parts were bad.

DC and the D coaches will be huge!

Seth Nesmith 2 years, 11 months ago

WE FINISHED 2 GAMES OUT OF 9TH PLACE!!!! All the criticism needs to go on both sides- Gill needed to go, and as far as KU goes- Weis was a homerun hire! There is no need to overthing or overanalyze the situation. We got a high profile coach for an awful team that was in the cellar below the basement. Be happy and thankful this holiday season Jayhawk fans! Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

rockchalker52 2 years, 11 months ago

Dear HCCW:

If it rocks like a ‘hawk & looks like a ‘hawk, it must be a ‘hawk. Blood Red Helmets, no stripe, Yellow Facemask Solid Blue Jerseys & Pants Yellow Shoes, Red Laces Beak ‘em.

Sincerely, A fan

escaped_labrat 2 years, 11 months ago

white letters 'KU' on the Chest, lol Sounds good to me as long as they put their names on the back in Bright Red with a thin black outline ha ha

RCJayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Sweet. We could look douchier (not really a word) than Maryland.

Steve Reigle 2 years, 11 months ago

Expectations for next year seem to be rising rapidly, probably disproportionately to what is realistic. I expect significant improvement each year but not miracles right out of the box.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

3-0 in the noncom, 1 or 2 conference wins and I'd say it was a success.

jgkojak 2 years, 11 months ago

We should easily go 3-0 NonCon.

I'm expecting 3 conf. wins and to go to a bowl. Something less and I'll be disappointed - especially if we have Crist.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

That's an unrealistic expectation, though I don't believe that it's impossible by any means.

JayDocMD 2 years, 11 months ago

Getting antsy about the DC situation. If they had a "homerun" hire already locked up I'm pretty sure it would have been announced already so they could use it for recruiting before the dead period.

Weis' hire has had the effect Zenger was looking for - KU Football is reenergized and the center of discussion among fans and even national media. However, Weis clearly requires an autonomous DC, and he better be good to prevent Big12 opponents from hanging 50 pts on us with regularity. The DC choice will make or break the Weis Era at KU.

FYI: Keegan is recycling my recruiting update in his article (915PM post on 12/14/11 http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/dec/14/weis-contract-finalized/#c1884499)

KGphoto 2 years, 11 months ago

He wasn't even thinking about being a HC a week ago. You can't have a "home-run" waiting in the wings that quickly can you? Besides, it's a dead period, not the end of recruiting. A solid DC probably won't land him a top flight QB right now, and the top flight QBs are making their decisions, so I agree he should be spending all of his energy before the dead period on landing a blue-chipper to run his pro stuff.

JayDocMD 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm sure he had a short wish list of DC names drawn up by the time he landed in Lawrence. His statements about having 80-90% of the coaching positions pretty much lined up and implying that we were just waiting on paperwork/background checks ("coaches move a lot") seem to reinforce the idea that the process was well underway. Maybe the 80-90% figure was an overstatement. Maybe the 10-20% IS the DC. Although I'm sure he wants his DC to be on board with the DL/DB/LB coaching staff.

As far as recruiting - I'm pleased we already got a defensive commit with a visit from the offensive coaches. Besides QB, the D-line is our biggest area of need. I do think it will prove difficult to get any high end defensive recruits without knowing who their position coach is. I guess with the dead period almost upon us, thats now a moot point.

JayDocMD 2 years, 11 months ago

...but you're right KGphoto, it would be difficult to have a "Home Run" candidate ready to drop everything and be at KU within a week. Most highly regarded candidates would currently already be employed with either a college team prepping for a bowl or an NFL team. (One noteable exception would be Vic Koenning.)

Dirk Medema 2 years, 11 months ago

The DC has unfinished buisness this season, so Coach Weis reduce his options by demanding he join the team right before a dead period. He gave him the freedom to finish and then join the team in time for the final push.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Weiss said he had 80-90 percent of his staff selected. I can't think that he could say that unless the DC was in the fold.

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Stupid article.

First. Points 1 - 3 are things that any new coach is going to do. Weis isn't doing anything special here...just the bare minimums to get the program on track. So why is this news worthy let alone special?

Second. The comment about the timing of the deal is laughable. I don't think the Chiefs, any other pro team or any other college team were seriously looking at Weis. So why is this such great timing?

Third. Calling Weis a "high profile" coach is a bit of a misnomer. He is probably not as well know as we all like to think (outside the KC area). Sure, he has some rings from years ago but, that was years ago and he was an OC, not the head coach. He's since proven what he can or can't do at the college level. You decide.

Fourth. The contract is suppose to give recruits assurance that Weis will be there long term? I just don't see this when he has publicly said that he doesn't plan on being at KU longer than 5 years. This may be ok for his first class, but what about the recruits that come after that? They will know that he'll be gone before they graduate. What kind of assurance is that?

Ben Kane 2 years, 11 months ago

i have to disagree with your third point. I live well otuside the KC area, couldn't care less about the chiefs, and will tell you that he is a high profile, national, name.

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

As a 17 year old kid in your area who he is and get back to me.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

He's very well known. Probably more well known than Leach - though that would be a good debate. Why do we waste time discussing obvious facts? He easily would have been one of the favorites for the job in KC, though not necessarily a lock for the job.

Sam Constance 2 years, 11 months ago

"As a 17 year old kid..."

And finally, we have the explanation for so many of squawk's idiotic posts.

That being said, kudos to you for coming clean.

Next step: graduating high school and moving out of parents house. Good luck! We're all rooting for you.

jhawkrulz 2 years, 11 months ago

I would guess there are about 20 teams in the NFL that would want CW as their Offensive Coordinator.

The Patriots won 3 SB with CW as their OC; remind me how many they have without him being the OC?

Jim Jackson 2 years, 11 months ago

How do you figure that he publicly stated that he didn't want to be at KU longer than 5 years? I saw no quotes on this from him. His contract is for 5 years but that doesn't mean he he doesn't want to be here longer. Currently, he's making 3 times the amount he made as OC of UF (he made 800K last year). In 5 years he will be 60 years old and he will still be 350+ lbs. Rock chalk hopefully he is here a long time.

rockemchalkemrobots 2 years, 11 months ago

He said it earlier in the week on the local radio. It was unequivocal. He said he plans to be here 5 years, then hopefully hand the job to someone on his staff and retire.

Ron Prichard 2 years, 11 months ago

Actually, he did publicly state that on the radio the other day. 610 Sports, I think. I was listening and he indicated the plan that he discussed with his wife was for him to be here five years and then be able to retire and focus on his family. I hope that in 5 years he is successful enough that he reconsiders or we are at least wanting him to stay longer. If that happens, I'm guessing the Hawks will have been pretty competitive during those 5 years..

Aaron Carpenter 2 years, 11 months ago

Yeah that's just kind of asinine. He is probably less well known in the K.C area than most other places. To think that he is not a national name is delusional. I am not saying that he is Urban Meyer or any other high profile coach, but he does raise eyebrows. Nice try, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

kerbyd 2 years, 11 months ago

Vic Koenning is the defensive Coord at Illinois and currently their interim head coach. Any chance we could get him as DC here?

squawkhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

No! He wouldn't want to coach against Snyder and nor would Leavitt.

Todd 2 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, just like Mangino didn't want to coach against Snyder. Or like Bob Stoops wouldn't want to coach against Snyder. Seriously, are you 15? To your earlier point, ask the people in New England or Florida or Indiana or most of the midwest if they know who Charlie Weis is. Just because you don't pay attention, and are probably just a troll fan of another program, doesn't mean that this wasn't a good hire. Nor does it mean that we won't get one of those names as a DC. Go back to the shadows little one.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Strong indications that he is headed to UNC due to his wife's allegiance to the confederacy.

Kevin Randell 2 years, 11 months ago

This is just a guess, but I think that the reason why we haven't heard about a DC is that he may be looking at the NFL for his DC. And the NFL has strict rules about talking with coaches while their team is in season. So....it may actually BE Leavitt.

Like some of the posts I have read, I agree that we should be excited, but also realistic that next season is going to be a tall hill to climb in ways of victories and possible bowl game. I am just enjoying the excitement and hope that all this has generated, and I feel a lot better about my decision to purchase season tickets this year compared to last year.

Good luck coach Weis and may all the Jayhawk Nation have a Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday Season!

Norm Jennings 2 years, 11 months ago

810am hosts this morning talking about rumors regarding possibility of Al Groh?

Sounds like he would be a great hire if we could convince him to leave GA Tech ??

Dirk Medema 2 years, 11 months ago

NY Giants and the Parcells connection to Weis is strong. Would he also be the (5 yr) replacement Charlie is talking about?

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

In regards to expectations for next season, we need to remember that Weis is taking over one of the worst football teams in the country and possibly the worst defense in the country.

In addition, KU plays in one of the two toughest football conferences in the country, in a single-division format. If WVU does not enter until after 2012, then things will be a bit easier.

He's a first-year coach who has to implement all new systems.

He's also a first-year coach with a short recruiting window.While

I don't think that a bowl game is out of the question, but a 4 or 5 win season would have to be seen as a success....whether the coach is Weis, Nick Saban, Les Miles or Rick Leach.

The other critical sign of improvement is simple: competitiveness. Get rid of the ridiculous blowouts, win 4 or 5, and you've made real progress with this program.

jhawkrulz 2 years, 11 months ago

I think ranking 120 in all of major statistics on defense would assure our place as the worst defense in the country last year.

I think 4-5 wins would be nice, six would just be an added bonus.

Rick Leach? Was he on our radar...I know there is a Mike Leach, but he went to WSU. (I'm guessing a typo).

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Okay....I have no idea where that name came from. My caffeine balance is way off.

phanatic33 2 years, 11 months ago

Speaking of Brock... what ever happaned to Brock what's his name from CO??? I know he stopped practicing with the team but did he leave all together?

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

As a general rule, if a deal were smart, it would be self evident.

An obviously good deal would be obvious good.

It would not need puffery to make it appear so.

This story seems PR puffery.

What does this suggest about the deal? :-)

ParisHawk 2 years, 11 months ago

As a general rule, points that are well taken do not require belaboring.

You are belaboring your point.

What does this suggest about your point? :-)

justajoe 2 years, 11 months ago

Hey, after watching TV the other night I know what that means, I know what that means!

Todd 2 years, 11 months ago

hahahaha...you don't read Keegen much do you? PR puffery and the fat man do not belong in the same sentence.

Joe Ross 2 years, 11 months ago

RE: "As a general rule, if a deal were smart, it would be self evident. An obviously good deal would be obvious good. It would not need puffery to make it appear so. This story seems PR puffery. What does this suggest about the deal?"

Not only is this dumb, but it is wrong. There are many deals that are smart that aren't always obvious to onlookers. Nothing to see here. Moving on...

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

Sound logic, but that's about it. Charlie Weis was the best possible coach we could get. He has a winning college record and multiple BCS appearances, NFL success and super bowl rings, and he is excited to have his own program again.

How about you wait three seasons before you spew your jaybate junk...loser.

jhawkrulz 2 years, 11 months ago

I like the note about Todd Heap from BYU on the radar. This guy I believe would have to sit a year, but in 2010 he was great, in 2011 he wasn't so great. It'll be interesting to see what CW does with that transfer.

lv_jhwk 2 years, 11 months ago

Jake (not Todd) Heaps (not Heap).

While an NFL tight end might be helpful, I don't think he'll do us any good at quarterback.

bville_hawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Since TK said the DC is probably not going to be Jim Leavitt can we go ahead and assume the new DC is Jim Leavitt?

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

"KU Football Coaching Dunciad Continues"

(Note: out of deference to those that found my nicknaming the new head football coach Chollie Weis disrespectful, I will now refer to him exclusively as Charles Weis.)

-Turner Gill reputedly hired by Liberty University. Alls well that ends well for Turner, right?

~And let there be no more talk about religion being an influence in hiring and firing. Religion is entirely irrelevant in all hiring and firing of coaches. Right?

~"In the past few days, Weis has made trips to South Bend, Ind., McPherson and both sides of Kansas City."--Tom Keegan

Now this is interesting.

Weis as back channel carrier pidgeon informing Father Jenkins in South Bend about BGL's next step in conference realignment with ND and Big East?

Or is Charles seriously trying to raid Notre Dame players and coaches?

Who can say?

Charles went to McPherson? All the way to McPherson? Oh my gosh and holy cow!

Charles went to both sides of Kansas City, too? I mean Kansas City is huuuuuuge! Did he really get to both sides of Kansas City in the last few days?

A willingness to go to McPherson and to go all the way across Kansas City in a few days pretty much ices that $2.5M/yr for 5 years was a steal!!!! :-)

~Auburn assistant hired by Ark State: The Auburn assistant who perhaps could have been hired by KU, and who grew up in Arkansas, and who has been recruiting big time D1 football players for the last few years, while Charles Weis has been coordinating the Kansas City Chiefs offense ranked 28th out of 32 before he came to KU, was hired by Arkansas State! Gee, I wonder if the Auburn assistant would have come to KU for $2.5M/yr for 5 years and a chance to HC in a BCS conference, or is Ark State just the perfect fit!!!!!?

~Spring football might be interesting. Maybe Charles Weis can bring in Matt Cassel, ranked 24th out of 32 NFL quarterbacks, to tutor KU's quarterbacks.

~It seems with the hiring of Charles that it might be timely to begin a home and home schedule with the Fighting Irish? Ah, sure'n it t'would.

~Totally fantastic rumor: some undisclosed (present or former unknown) Notre Dame head basketball coach is in negotiations to become KU's new head basketball coach, when Self jumps (Just kidding...right?)

And so it goes.

Ron Prichard 2 years, 11 months ago

@jaybate, I have agreed with you at times and disagreed with you at times on this board. You point out some somewhat negative stats, although you fail to point out some of the more positive stats that would also be relevant. Cassell was chosen to the Pro Bowl last year when Weis was the coordinator, and there is no question the Chiefs' offense was much more potent the one year Weis was the OC. You knock his recruiting, but it's pretty clear that he has hit the recruiting trail pretty hard in the last few days, regardless of where Keegan says he has been. Offers have been made--and are being considered--by some fairly impressive recruits. That alone is reason for KU fans to get excited. When have these recruits EVER considered playing for KU? So I am curious...if you take away the Chiefs' statistics on both sides, what is it about Weis that you don't like? Or maybe, is it not that you don't like Weis, but believe someone else would have been a better fit? I figure you are someone I can actually debate/discuss without either of us sounding like @apherse.

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

I laid out my reasoning yesterday and alluded to the underpinnings of my thinking being based on an analysis of football/basketball revenue pro formas available online at a link at the Indianapolis Start Times, if I recall the paper's name correctly.

I will prune my thoughts back to essence today.

From the moment KU fired Turner Gill and paid him $6M to disappear without a suit, KU faced a choice: did it want to get into the football business, or not?

With Gill, and previous to Gill, it was basically out of the football business. It had random brief runs of success, followed by long dry spells. KU never ran its football program on business model remotely similar to most successful football schools, so it was destined to have only sporadic success, unless it stumbled into the next Knute Rockne.

If KU did not want to get into the football business, it should have stayed with Gill to avoid the $6M buyout and the extra $500K/yr Weis cost KU.

Firing Gill means to me that KU wants to get into the football business at last.

Based on the revenue/expense pro formas I could find for all D1 schools, the football business appears to come in roughly three models types.

  1. the economy model--KSU is the example here. $3Million in annual alumni contributions above sell outs in a small stadium.

  2. the mid sized model--TAM is the example here. $5M in annual alumni contributions above sell outs in a big stadium.

  3. the luxury model--Texas is the example here. $15M in annual alumni contributions above sell outs in a big stadium plus $4M in advertising from its own TV network.

(Note: these figures are all from around 2005 but seem to be about the most recent figures readily accessible for all of D1 schools.)

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

As a college coach, Weis was .500 at Notre Dame where he had huge resources to work with, which he apparently will not have at KU.

As a pro offensive coordinator, Weis had great success with one of the all time great head coaches in New England, and effectively none with a an ordinary coach in Kansas City. Weis will have not great head coach to work with at KU. He will be the head coach.

I conclude that there is no reason to forecast that Weis will do any better than he did at Notre Dame, and there is considerable risk that he will do worse than he did at Notre Dame with less resources at KU. His performance as a pro offensive coordinator is a wash and so adds little hope.

To be in the college football business, you have to have a guy capable of winning consistently as Bill Snyder did even to have the economy model.

And to do that you have to have $3M in annual alumni contributions.

Since Weis does not seem capable of achieving even the economy model, then if KU does up alumni contributions to $3M, it will be wasted.

Therefore, the wrong coach was hired.

For KU to get into the college football business, it had to find a coach with a reasonable chance to achieve the economy model.

It didn't.

Therefore, it should have either stayed with Gill, or offered enough more money to attract the quality of coach it needed for the business model it sought.

That's it in a nutshell.

bad_dog 2 years, 11 months ago

a nutshell?

Mighty big tree must have spawned that "nutshell".

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

First, Weis was 35-27 at ND with four bowl eligible seasons and two BCS bowl game appearances. If KU is bowl eligible four of the next five years and averages 7.5 wins per season, no one in Jayhawk country will complain.

Second, Weis made a Chiefs offense that stunk without him (before and after) look very good. Weis got the Chiefs to the playoffs last season, bottom line. Once Weis left, they got shutdown in the final two regular season games and the playoff game. Matt Cassel and Co looked much better and were statistically much better under Weis than without him.

Finally, your writing is pathetically stilted and your arrogance is completely unfounded. Enough with the whining.

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

AaronHawk19,

Maybe I am looking at out of date stats, or something. But the stats I looked at indicated a different bottom-line than the one you come to.

The bottom line on Charlie Weis and the Chiefs is that Weis guided only the offense. The Chiefs offense was the 28th best out of 32 NFL offenses, according to the stats I saw. And Weis' quarterback, Matt Cassell, was the 24th ranked quarterback out of 32.

The Chief's head coach guided the Chiefs to the playoffs. And the offensive stats, at least, make it look as if he did it inspite of Charles Weis, not because of him.

PittsburghJayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

jaybate,

You must be looking at the wrong stats. Under Weis in 2010, the Chiefs' offense ranked 12th and 14th in total yards and points, respectively.

Compare that to how they ranked in 2009 (25th and 23rd) and so far in 2011 (28th and 31st), and I would say that Weis was a significant factor in them winning 10 games and the division.

Also, Matt Cassel had the 8th highest passer rating (93.0) in 2010, not 28th. He was 25th (69.9) in 2009 and 24th (76.6) in 2011.

Stats obtained from nfl.com

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

One more thing AaronHawk19, Weis going 35-27 is dismal, as most ND fans will tell you, because of the sizable resources ND devotes to excelling at football.

Going 35-27 at KU would be a pretty big accomplishment, if KU's traditional expense levels were involved.

But, again, if Weis can only go 35-27 with ND's huge resource commitment, then it seems improbable that Weis could do that well at KU with vastly less resources at his disposal.

But if vastly more resources are made available to Weis, as they already in effect have been by paying Turner Gill $6M to go away, then it seems Weis might be capable of reaching 35-27 at KU.

But 35-27 does not fill the stadium at KU. KU has had a number of .500 coaches that could not consistently fill the stadium.

So if KU devotes big resources, and doesn't fill the stadium, then KU basketball is going to suffer, because so much resources of the alumni are being squandered.

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate,

As you can see from the above poster, your stats on the KC Chiefs were inaccurate and the Chiefs offense was vastly better in 2010 under Weis than Haley's other two seasons.

As for resources, what are you referring too? Facilities? KU has already invested the large amount of money necessary for practice and strength facilities. Coaches? KU has already guaranteed Weis 2.1 million min. per year for his staff. What else is there in terms of resources that is necessary for Weis to be successful?

ParisHawk 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm curious too about what message you're really trying to convey. Was it a bad hire because football will remain irrelevant, or was it a bad hire because football will become relevant?

Why should KU basketball, and Self in particular, be threatened by this?

bad_dog 2 years, 11 months ago

Just look back at some of Jaybate's prior posts on the topic and you'll get a sense of his real rationale. First, he perceives Weis as overpaid/underqualified. He wants to fire Zenger for hiring him. Next, he sees KU football as a drain on resources and thus, a threat to the ongoing success of KU basketball.

When the point was made regarding the need to be successful in football to ensure KU is an attractive entity for super conference consolidation, Jaybate insisted this was irrelevant. He maintains other superconference members would want KU anyway as they "need a few cupcakes to beat up on."

Needless to say, I disagree. The only place cupcakes are unconditionally welcomed are at a child's birthday party.

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

While I hate for KU football to be a cupcake, it is patently obvious to anyone who looks at the Big Ten and SEC and Pac 12 and Big 12 that each conference has anywhere from half to 3/4's cupcakes. The Big 12 has rarely had more than 4 consistently good programs.

It is just a fact that any conference consists of at least as many cupcakes and powerhouses.

So your suggestion here is refuted by the facts.

bad_dog 2 years, 11 months ago

Let someone else be the cupcake you so apparently want KU football to be. I don't want it and I seriously doubt many other Jayhawk fans want it either.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 11 months ago

Cupcakes are not only welcomed, but get top billing in Manhattan.

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

ParisHawk,

There are a number of reasons KU basketball has to be concerned about what is happening in KU football.

When KU football squeezes the alumni for $6 million to S-Can Turner Gill, then that is $6 million that cannot go into starting a fund to build a new basketball dormitory for players at the nation's most successful basketball program the last five years and one of the five most successful basketball programs for the last 25 years, and the cradle of college basketball.

When KU hires an athletic director who has come up through the ranks of college football and has worked at schools that emphasized college football, then it is only reasonable to think that his paramount goal will be to take KUAD into the "successful" college football business model. The "successful" college football business model requires anywhere form $3-5 million/yr in alumni contributions regardless of how much money it supposedly makes. Historically KU football has not required alumni contributions of $3-5 million/yr, and so there is reason to believe that the KU alumni would probably give less to basketball, if they give more to football.

If KU succeeds in putting KU football on one of the successful business models, and so begins to net some $10-15 million in tickets sales from an expanded stadium selling out, builds up a healthy annual operating surplus of revenues less expenses, then KUAD will indeed become largely a creature of football, and when budgeting compromises between football and basketball must be made, it will be basketball that will have to take sloppy seconds.

If KU succeeds in putting KU football on one of the successful business models, then Bill Self will go from being the head of the dominant program at KUAD to being the head of a subordinate program. Why? Because the program that generates the most gold make the rules in a bureaucracy. Self left the University of Illinois, a school where he was in the subordinate program to come to a school where basketball was the ordinate program. Why would Bill Self stay at KU and head a subordinate, if he could move to another blue blood school, like Kentucky, or UNC, or Duke, and be head of the ordinate program?

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

If KU tries but fails to achieve one of the successful football business models, then Self will have spent the next 5 years having huge amounts of potential resources diverted away from basketball into football, when Self is facing some of the stiffest recruiting competition of his tenure, needs a new basketball dormitory, and probably more jets to get more coaches to more places to see more recruits than ever before, in order just to stay even with his competition.

Bottom line is that Self now finds himself in much the same bureaucratic situation that Roy found himself in before he decided coaching KU was untenable and split for UNC. The Chancellor and AD that brought him to KU are gone. The new Chancellor and AD, while appearing not to be trying to antagonize Self, as Roy's Chancellor and AD appeared to try to antagonize Roy, are in fact now primarily focused not on KU basketball, but on KU football and conference realignment.

Self appeared to indicate that he had not meant the new KU football coach until a coincidental overlap of coaching functions at an establishment in Lawrence well after the hiring of Weis. That creates the appearance in my mind that Self was probably not consulted about the Weis hire. Not consulting the KU basketball coach about a football coach likely to head up a football program about to begin to start taking the lion's share of alumni contributions, suggests that Chancellor and AD have decided that Self and basketball are something to be fire walled from football process.

Bill Self has too many career options at this point in his career to treat him with anything but the utmost respect for his insights about coaches and the coaching profession in a new football coach hire. A smart Chancellor and AD would view Bill Self as a supremely important resource in hiring a football coach. A smart chancellor and AD would want Self to meet with any candidate the Chancellor and AD seriously consider hiring to see if the Self thinks the coach has the right stuff. Self has the right stuff and he knows the right stuff better than the Chancellor, or AD do.

But there was another reason the Chancellor and the AD ought to have included Self in on the football coach hire.

Bill Self is the one person who stands to lose the most from KU deciding to pursue a successful football business model, either if it fails, or succeeds.

Bill Self is the most important coach on the KU campus, unless Weis starts filling an enlarged stadium, and Zenger starts squeezing the alum's for $3-5 million annually.

By including Self in the hiring process, one would be including Self into the post hiring process, into full support of what KUAD is trying to do.

By appearing to leave Self out of the football coach hiring process, he cannot be counted on to be a bulwark of the process of pursuing a successful college football business model.

That's pretty much it in one more nutshell.

kuhoopsfan 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm sure you know that it was interim AD Drue Jennings and not Lew Perkins that hired Bill Self. Bill has been dealing with a "non-hiring" AD for a long time. I haven't seen any problems in that regard and therefore wouldn't expect any going forward. If Bill Self can get along with Lew Perkins, an east coaster high on the "antagonize" schedule, then I'm sure he can get along with Sheahon Zenger, a Kansan who understands KU Basketball and it's tradition.

Roy's massive ego and his "I'm bigger than the KU Basketball Program" attitude were as much of a problem in his relationship with Al Bohl than anything Bohl did ... oh, unless you count firing Terry Allen, Roy's golfing buddy. That upset Roy because not only could he beat Terry on the links, but having Terry here ensured KU football would be less than mediocre and Roy would keep his place on the throne of KU sports.

Roy was interested in Roy much more than he was in KU. As long as KU continued to provide the avenue to feed that goal, and that huge ego, he would stay ... when it didn't he left for a place that would. It will be interesting to see how Roy fares now that North Carolina, in hiring Bubba Cunningham and Larry Fedora, make a push to elevate the Tarheel football program. Will Roy's feelings be hurt again? Time will tell.

I've never seen anything in all his time here that indicates Bill Self has any of the personality quirks and failings that Roy has. He understands the importance of a successful football program to the overall success of KU sports, and to the continued success of KU basketball.

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm sure you know that Self and Perk were forced together into being a team when Roy's infractions surfaced and from that time on Perk and Self were about as tight as an AD and a basketball coach could get. They went to the mat for each other repeatedly and almost always put up a strongly united front.

Zenger and Self?

Luke warm at best.

BGL and Self?

Warm and fuzzy with him only when she needs him to deflect some ca-ca from her skirt.

BGL turned on Perk and threw him under the bus.

BGL and Zenger turned on Gill and threw him under the bus.

Self is no dummy. He knows they are bloodless bureaucrats and do not have his back.

He implied he was never introduced to Weis as part of the job hunt, but only met him afterwards.

He knows football just got $6M to flush Gill that Self could have used for basketball.

He knows that each season Weis is sucking down $500K more than Gill did that could have been spent on basketball.

He knows that Weis ex-Notre Damer staff is going to get a lot more in salaries than Gill's staff got.

Bill Self is already making plans accordingly.

The man who plays it anyway they want, will play this one anyway BGL and Zenger want.

And frankly what would be best for BGL and Self is for Self to get quietly uncomfortable and announce he is leaving for greener pastures.

Then they could get a lesser quality coach, probably with Notre Dame ties, and carry on with their mission to turn KU into a football school.

Bureaucrats will always spend your legacy if you let them. They are not evil. Its just what they do. They don't create things. They use and expend them to attract more revenues to enlarge their bureaucratic control.

They believe they can attract far more money through football, and so don't care that much about The Legacy.

Its just business.

If you care about KU basketball, wake up.

If you care about KU football more than KU basketball, then you are part of the problem.

Al Martin 2 years, 11 months ago

Okay, everybody, bitch all you want, but this is an interesting take, and one I never would have dreamed up.

I did think of the Bohl/Williams fiasco during this coaching search, and I certainly hope that Zenger is working all the time with Self to keep him happy.

If we need basketball dorms, we should by God build them. My guess is that we need new athletic dorms in general (Heyjock Towers were kinda gross way back when I was in college, and they've had a LONG time to rot since then). If we're making big expenditures to upgrade facilities, basketball should always be included. I would hope Zenger isn't screwing this up, but it's not unreasonable for Jaybate to a) worry about it, and b) assume the worst, given the AD's recent focus on football.

But Jaybate, I also have to admit that these last two "nutshell" posts were a lot more coherent to me than your original posts. It may well be my fault, but I didn't know what the hell you were talking about until now.

kuhoopsfan 2 years, 11 months ago

I didn't realize you had a direct line to Bill Self's deepest thoughts ... are you his agent? ... does he know you're spending all this time writing comments on this message board ... he probably wouldn't like that!

Perkins and Self close? Going to the mat for each other repeatedly and putting up a united front are not necessarily signs these two were close. Work relationships often require that kind of thing, even if the two aren't "close". I've seen it many times in my work life as I'm sure you have. I'm not sure Perkins is close to anybody. Rumor has it that even his dog doesn't like or trust him!

And, I am wide awake, I do care deeply about KU basketball, but I care enough about KU football to want it to be more than the doormat and laughingstock of the Big 12. There is much evidence over the past two seasons that the football program has sunk to that level.

On the other hand, you have absolutely no evidence at all that BGL and Zenger are trying to turn KU into a football school, and don't care about the basketball legacy. BGL turned on Perkins and threw him under the bus? ... are you really serious on this? Perkins orchestrated the witch hunt on Mangino and oversaw an athletic department staff that stole over $2,000,000 in tickets. If you ask me he got off easy ... but that's a discussion for another time.

Also, during Perkins tenure much harm was done to booster relations. I speak from personal experience here. I have communicated directly with BGL on this very issue. Alumni relations have to be improved if the athletic department is to keep the money flowing. BGL and Zenger both know this and are working to that end.

Zenger is the AD of the entire athletic department, not just basketball. He's smart enough to know that all the revenue sports need to produce for the department as a whole to succeed. He's also smart enough to know that without an outstanding man's basketball program we don't have anything. Men's basketball is in good hands, now football will be as well. Next up will likely be the women's basketball program where Perkins' other big name hire should get her walking papers after this season. A good women's basketball program would more than break even. Sadly, the Big 12 women's championship banner in the fieldhouse has a lot of white on it and the program is a drain on department resources.

Following your logic one would have to believe that Perkins ousted Mangino and hired Gill to tank the football program in a twisted attempt to elevate the basketball program. I'm sorry, but I can't go there. I tend to think Perkins, having not hired Mangino, wanted to make a marquis hire to prove his chops as an AD. It went horribly wrong, leaving us where we are today. Ironically, should Weis find prolonged success with KU football, Perkins can be given some credit in a backhanded way.

AaronHawk19 2 years, 11 months ago

KU did a full renovation of the Towers for the revenue athletes AND students. There is a rule against athlete only dorms in the NCAA, look it up.

As for recruiting, I think you are misinformed on the costs involved in recruiting trips and the potential inability for KU Athletics, Inc. to recruit both revenue sports.

There is absolutely no evidence that KU basketball will suffer b/c of Charlie Weis, nor that Bill Self did not agree with or want this hire. There is no reason for an AD with a consultant and vast football knowledge to consult the basketball coach about a football hire.

Bill Self still makes more than Charlie Weis, KU basketball received new practice facilities, living arrangement upgrades, and AFH has completed all of its planned renovations.

There is also the strong possibility of an increased per year endorsement contract with Nike or Adidas after the expiration of the current contract next season and more alumni donations to the football program b/c of the hiring of a high profile coach.

You fail to consider many components and overvalue and apply flawed logic in creating a fictitious football/basketball dichotomy. We get it, you don't like Charlie Weis. Quit spewing your inaccurate facts and assumed downfalls.

bville_hawk 2 years, 11 months ago

500 character post limit, PLEASE, LJW!!!

JayhawkinNE 2 years, 11 months ago

Just saw on Rivals that Heap and Dieter will be visiting!!!

JayHok 2 years, 11 months ago

We want Crist!

We want Heap!

We want Dieter!

Robert Murphy 2 years, 11 months ago

Mr Keegan: It never pays to compromise when it is not in the best interest of everyone and is not the truth. It never pays to compromise with the devil. This is a reflection on your DC comment.

Who wants to compromise with people who think all the money in the world should go to the richest 1% as it has been doing for the last 30 plus years and the middle class and the poor should now get to sacrifice.

Who wants to compromise with people who favor perpetual war.

Who wants to compromise with people who are racists and cheer at the death penalty and are in favor of letting people die who don't have health insurance.

Who wants to compromise with people who think the elimination of Habeas corpus at the whim of the president is constitutional.

Who wants to compromise with people who think they have a right to control another persons body.

Who wants to compromise with people who are anti science.

As Bill Mahr would say "I kid the people of Kansas."

Oh sorry, back to football. I say spend the money on research and development and let charlie go back to eating 5000 calories a day at his favorite fast food joint. Football is totally stupid as people get physically hurt playing it more often than not.

kupopp 2 years, 11 months ago

And what flavor is that Kool Aid you have been drinking?

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

You seem to know quite a lot about drinking Kool Aid. Were you drinking some when you wrote this response? :-)

Ron Prichard 2 years, 11 months ago

Mission control to Major Tom...we've just lost you...

To quote (directly) SuperJayTNT responding to a post a week or so ago: "Not just riding a unicorn but riding a unicorn through a gumdrop forest where it rains beer and every woman looks like Marissa Miller! Congratulations on the single craziest thing I've read this week."

Wow!

Ron Prichard 2 years, 11 months ago

This is what I imagine it would be like if Jaybate dropped acid.

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

You mean he's not high when he writes that stuff?

jaybate 2 years, 11 months ago

How would you, blackhawkjayhawk, be able to tell anyone was high, when you appear to use mescaline suppositories? :-)

Hey, I'm just trying to learn how to iSmear with drugs the way you do.

Its kind of a neat trick. You do it frequently it seems.

Can I borrow it from you?

Robert Murphy 2 years, 11 months ago

No, Richard Buckminster Fuller is my hero. Bucky was without doubt the foremost thinker of the 20th century but he is hardly mentioned in modern education and most students have never heard of him. So sad. oh well, we can't trouble our minds with such, back to football.

What does Jim Jones have to do with anything that has been said?

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Crist's middle name? Lawrence....just saying.

Jeff Soisson 2 years, 11 months ago

All of you Jayhawks need to understand why he took this job. Will Muschamp is an #hole and completely crazy, insane does not even describe him. I live in Austin, I saw it under Mack and now Charlie gets out of a terrible situation at Florida and works for an AD that has his back.

Charlie looks at it and says OU down, Texas down, mmmmmm why not. SZ will not push him out. 6 wins and I'm bowling??? He would be a hero.

I don't think he is one and done, I think he wants to coach 5-10 more years in a situation that is good for him. We have top 20 facilities (the only thing Lew did right).

I have no dreams of a national championship, my dream is that when KU comes to Austin, the Longhorns are worried. My dream is that we are competitive to the last possession. My dream is KU fans take Allen Fieldhouse atmosphere to Memorial Stadium and make it a tough venue. As fans we have to accept that we are the worst fans in football in the Big 12-step up students.

As Texas says, 'Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late!!!!' We need to educate our students that home field advantage does matter!

blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Todd Haley is also known as an "in your face" kind of guy. Hmmmmm.....

If Charlie can adjust his offensive philosophy just a bit to be more effective at the collegiate level, I think that we'll have a great improvement on that side of the ball. With such a great running game at his disposal, we just need to land the QB who can operate the "O" effectively.

I'm guessing that it's all Crist all the time right now for Charlie and Reggie and Ron and Tim.

bville_hawk 2 years, 11 months ago

I sincerely hope you are right, manginorh00lz. You've never given us any reason to think otherwise (tongue in cheek...)

gardenjay 2 years, 11 months ago

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bville_hawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Was that supposed to be funny? posting a link to a stupid horse racing handicapping story by someone named Crist? You failed...

Aaron Carpenter 2 years, 11 months ago

I actually found this a bit humorous. Thank you.

rockchalk_dpu 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm sorry if this was stated up above, and I hate (well not really) adding onto the criticism of Keegs, but in the press conference Weis stressed the importance of family and being with his daughter, and that the NFL isn't conducive to a family atmosphere so what makes you think that he would have taken the Chiefs job after saying that? Yet another example of Keegan just getting something out before the deadline without thinking through his arguments. I wish I got paid to just write this drivel every week and put zero effort into it.

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