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Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Weis guys: KU’s new coach credits two legends for his success

New England Patriots’ head coach Bill Belichick, right, goes over plays with former offensive coordinator (and current Kansas University football coach) Charlie Weis, left, during training camp in this file photo from Aug. 1, 2004, in Foxboro, Mass.

New England Patriots’ head coach Bill Belichick, right, goes over plays with former offensive coordinator (and current Kansas University football coach) Charlie Weis, left, during training camp in this file photo from Aug. 1, 2004, in Foxboro, Mass.

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Years ago, during the week leading up to one of the New England Patriots’ three Super Bowl victories in four seasons under Bill Belichick, the man known for his hooded sweatshirt and stoic nature was asked about the role then-offensive coordinator Charlie Weis played in the Patriots’ success.

Belichick, widely known as one of the game’s true masterminds, did not hesitate to gush about his assistant coach.

“Charlie is a very smart person,” Belichick said. “He really understands what defenses are doing and how to attack them. He’s an outstanding play-caller and has a great sense of timing of when to call certain plays. It’s one thing to put together a game plan, and it’s another to call the plays at the right time, when they match up the way you want to match up. It’s not an easy thing to do.”

For as long as he’s been in the eye of the media, be that as an ultra-successful offensive coordinator in the NFL, the top dog at Notre Dame or as the new head coach of the Kansas University football team, Weis has credited much of his success to legendary NFL coaches Belichick and Bill Parcells.

Weis learned a variety of lessons during the combined 13 seasons he spent working for the two future Hall-of-Famers. From time management and how to push players, to strategy and how to dissect the game, Weis soaked it all in while handling different types of roles with the New York Giants, New York Jets and New England Patriots.

In 1990, when the Giants beat Buffalo to win Super Bowl XXV, all three were on the same staff. Parcells was the head coach, Belichick was his defensive coordinator and Weis was an assistant. While that was the only season in which Weis worked under both at the same time, it gave him a first-hand look at the very different way each man conducted his business.

“To this day, I have never seen anyone that is any better of a master psychologist of a football team and organization than Bill Parcells,” Weis recalled during last week’s introductory news conference at KU. “He would know every single person in this room. He would know what buttons to press with every single individual, to try and get them to a different level than they thought they were capable of being at. Whereas Belichick is a totally different person. His two greatest strengths are his insight into the game and his foresight. He is well above any coach I have ever seen in just the study of the game, while at the same time he is always thinking down the road. That is what separates his organization from most.”

Although Weis’ two NFL mentors had different strengths, they also shared several traits. And Weis carries many of them with him to this day.

“Both Parcells and Belichick believed that each week was a separate entity,” Weis said. “You might have one game plan one week, and the next week the game plan might be totally different. You might be playing (against a) 3-4 (defense) this week and next week it might be all 4-man fronts every snap. It was whatever it took to win that game.”

For Weis, that’s really all it comes down to. Since picking up coaching as a full-time profession, Weis has been successful everywhere he’s been. His 16 seasons as an NFL assistant yielded an overall record of 165-108, four Super Bowl titles and eight playoff appearances. In five years at Notre Dame, he finished 35-27 and reached three bowl games. And this season, his first as the offensive coordinator at Florida, the Gators finished 6-6 and earned a trip to the Gator Bowl.

Weis was partly responsible for nearly all of those victories. And Belichick’s comments from years ago may offer a glimpse into why.

“He’s very good at making adjustments during a game,” Belichick said. “He sees when some of the things that we thought were good now don’t look that good and we need to shift to something else. He is decisive and smart. He can pull the trigger. He’s not afraid to make tough decisions or to make calls in critical situations. He knows what he wants to do and he does it with a lot of confidence. And I think that gets conveyed to the people who are executing it.”

Comments

gardenjay 2 years, 11 months ago

If he's good at game adjustments then we've improved.

kesmithstl1 2 years, 11 months ago

Charlie Weis is going to be on the Dan Patrick Show this morning (Tuesday). KU football becoming more and more relevant everyday!

dylans 2 years, 11 months ago

A coach who makes adjustments as the game goes on sounds awesome. Sounds like a real coach. Sounds like you should watch the whole game because the Jayhawks have a chance to change direction when things are going poorly. It seemed like once the other team made adjustments this year the wheels fell off. Next season the 'Hawks should roll with the punches.

Paul Mitten 2 years, 11 months ago

As a Patriots fan, let's just say that while Charlie Weis was an excellent coordinator for the Pats and partly responsible for the three Super Bowl wins, it was an opportunistic defense, timely play from one of the best quarterbacks of all time, and a clutch kicker that combined to win those rings. What Weis needs to take from those teams is not the offensive play calling because let's face it, we don't got Tom Brady, but the discipline and execution that typifies the Patriots teams since 2001.

Despite first appearances, Pats are often the less talented team on the field. This year, Pats have three playmakers on offense, maybe three on defense. However, every week, against teams with bigger names, Pats play harder and smarter, letting other teams shoot themselves in the foot. As a result, they almost always beat the teams they're supposed to beat and at the least have a chance against comparable (or better) teams, at least. And if you keep hanging around in games and you don't shoot yourself in the foot, you put yourself in a position to win a lot of games.

That's the kind of team Kansas needs to be. They need to be gritty, never give up, and play conservative and smart football, but take chances when the time is right. So we got less talent? So whatever. This is college football. Even the best teams in college football make rookie mistakes several times a game. If you play with discipline and play to 100% of your abilities, you will have an opportunity to at least build a winning record. And that would be a nice first step.

fansincewilt 2 years, 11 months ago

He is also a very good pep talker at half time as we found out Saturday.

Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 11 months ago

Did I mention I coached under Bill Belichick??

Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 11 months ago

This year could be exciting. Say what you want about Gill, but the guy did recruit a pretty good class last year. With those guys getting to the point where they will be able to contribute, mixed with better coaching, we should be in for a decent turnaround even from year one. I really would like to see him build a program and have really warmed up to the idea that he can.

FSUJHAWK 2 years, 11 months ago

This assumes said players dont transfer, or are able to learn the new system, new language and "execute," on BOTH sides of the ball.

RCJHGKU!!!

Ted Toulouse 2 years, 11 months ago

The only, ONLY glaring hole I've seen in the last few days of Weis coverage is defense. I really hope he makes a quality hire there because that was the side of the ball that is the most desperate right now. I know a good offense can be an adequate defense by keeping the other team off the field, but I want to see balance in scheme from both side of the ball.

Weis part deux!!!

ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 11 months ago

I see where the articles are headed for the next few months. Charlie Weis. Bill Parcells.. uh uh..guy in the sweat shirt...uh uh...Tommy Brady...global warming.

jayhawkintexas 2 years, 11 months ago

What! A coach that can make in-game adjustments and prepare for different defenses??? I'm stoked already!!!!!

Jim Jackson 2 years, 11 months ago

Has there been any concrete information about who wants to transfer?

Jason Keller 2 years, 11 months ago

Hopefully everyone on the KU team wants to leave.

tical523 2 years, 11 months ago

Not true at all, the cabinet is not bare.

Jim Jackson 2 years, 11 months ago

Has there been any concrete information about who wants to transfer?

KGphoto 2 years, 11 months ago

Wow! A double double. Don't think I've seen that one yet.

Steve Reigle 2 years, 11 months ago

Initially I was a doubter. But the more I read, the more I see, the more I hear, the more I like. Only time will tell but my hopes are climbing.

David Atchley 2 years, 11 months ago

Interesting quote in the fish wrap known as the Kansas City Star, Sam Mellinger's column where he says:

"That was the easy part. Now we get to see, once and perhaps for all, whether Pioli is the golden-boy personnel guru from his Super Bowl-winning days in New England or just one more poser taking credit and fame off the glow of Bill Belichick’s star."

It appears when the stakes couldn't be any higher or consequences of getting it wrong any greater, the Jayhawk nation has once again hitched its wagon to someone who has something to prove, versus someone proven at a college level.

Seems Kansas will get to see if Weis is one of those posers, as Mellinger quotes about the coaching tree of Belechicks'...so far in his career post Belechick, that's been the case.

JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 11 months ago

First, it is Belichick not Belechick.

Mellinger quote: "That was the easy part. Now we get to see, once and perhaps for all, whether Pioli is the golden-boy personnel guru from his Super Bowl-winning days in New England or just one more poser taking credit and fame off the glow of Bill Belichick’s star."

Belichick quotes: “Charlie is a very smart person,” Belichick said. “He really understands what defenses are doing and how to attack them. He’s an outstanding play-caller and has a great sense of timing of when to call certain plays. It’s one thing to put together a game plan, and it’s another to call the plays at the right time, when they match up the way you want to match up. It’s not an easy thing to do.” “He’s very good at making adjustments during a game,” Belichick said. “He sees when some of the things that we thought were good now don’t look that good and we need to shift to something else. He is decisive and smart. He can pull the trigger. He’s not afraid to make tough decisions or to make calls in critical situations. He knows what he wants to do and he does it with a lot of confidence. And I think that gets conveyed to the people who are executing it.”

So...you prefer to take Mellinger words over those of Belichick? I don't.

BTW, nothing says "poser" like having a picture of Chuck Norris as your icon.

David Atchley 2 years, 11 months ago

thanks for the spell check....as respects the rest of your your cut and past quotes, what would you expect "Belichick" to say....he was the one that hired Weis as his bag man years ago.

To follow your blind rationale, (which I am sure you had a similar post for Turner Gill) Weis must have chosen not to use all of these untapped resources and skill sets to save his job at his alma mater, the Chiefs, or the pending exit of his job at Florida and has magically decided to unleash them at Kansas.

Let's be real clear...nobody and I mean nobody in Division 1, 2 or 3 would have hired Weis....nobody, that is except the Jayhawks.

So spin it however makes you feel better. If you follow the trail of posters here..it was imperative Kansas hire a defensive-minded coach, or one of the top names available, or hire someone with established recruiting relationships in Texas. At last "check" or is it "chick" Kansas hasn't done any of that with this hire.

Again, and you're welcome to "quote" me,

"It appears when the stakes couldn't be any higher or consequences of getting it wrong any greater, the Jayhawk nation has once again hitched its wagon to someone who has something to prove, versus someone proven at a college level."

JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 11 months ago

", what would you expect "Belichick" to say....he was the one that hired Weis as his bag man years ago." <<< Indeed, and he could have fired him anytime if he felt Weis did not perform. Three Super Bowl ings indicate that Belichick is right on his assessment.

"To follow your blind rationale, (which I am sure you had a similar post for Turner Gill)" <<< I thought that Gill's hiring was lousy choice( you can check the archives for my contemporaneous posts). I believe I was proven right.

"Weis must have chosen not to use all of these untapped resources and skill sets to save his job at his alma mater, the Chiefs, or the pending exit of his job at Florida and has magically decided to unleash them at Kansas." <<< Weis did a great job with the Chiefs offense (Cassel to the Pro Bowl, Chiefs to the playoffs). Have you noticed how much worse the Chief offense is this year compared to last? Weis did not get fired by the Chiefs, he was recruited by Muschamp and chose to leave for a better environmnet and better paycheck. He also chose to leave Florida for HC position and a much, much larger paycheck and opportunity.

"Let's be real clear...nobody and I mean nobody in Division 1, 2 or 3 would have hired Weis....nobody, that is except the Jayhawks." <<< If you believe that, you are not just delusional, you are an idiot.

"So spin it however makes you feel better. If you follow the trail of posters here..it was imperative Kansas hire a defensive-minded coach, or one of the top names available, or hire someone with established recruiting relationships in Texas. At last "check" or is it "chick" Kansas hasn't done any of that with this hire." <<< That is just your opinion. There were also posters that wanted Houston Nutt or Herm Edwards hired, but it does not make anyone of us right. I will say, however, that the majority of posters here and in other KU related boards overwhemingly support hiring Weis.

"Again, and you're welcome to "quote" me, "It appears when the stakes couldn't be any higher or consequences of getting it wrong any greater, the Jayhawk nation has once again hitched its wagon to someone who has something to prove, versus someone proven at a college level."" <<< Again, that is your opinion and you are entitled to one; however, you are not entitled to your own facts. Reality is what it is, and you saying otherwise does not make its so...and you can quote me on that.

JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 11 months ago

My post above was completely mangled (too many quotes???). Hopefully it post correctly this time.


", what would you expect "Belichick" to say....he was the one that hired Weis as his bag man years ago."

Indeed, and he could have fired him anytime if he felt Weis did not perform. Three Super Bowl ings indicate that Belichick is right on his assessment.


"To follow your blind rationale, (which I am sure you had a similar post for Turner Gill)"

I thought that Gill's hiring was lousy choice( you can check the archives for my contemporaneous posts). I believe I was proven right.


"Weis must have chosen not to use all of these untapped resources and skill sets to save his job at his alma mater, the Chiefs, or the pending exit of his job at Florida and has magically decided to unleash them at Kansas."

Weis did a great job with the Chiefs offense (Cassel to the Pro Bowl, Chiefs to the playoffs). Have you noticed how much worse the Chief offense is this year compared to last? Weis did not get fired by the Chiefs, he was recruited by Muschamp and chose to leave for a better environmnet and better paycheck. He also chose to leave Florida for HC position and a much, much larger paycheck and opportunity.


"Let's be real clear...nobody and I mean nobody in Division 1, 2 or 3 would have hired Weis....nobody, that is except the Jayhawks."

If you believe that, you are not just delusional, you are an idiot.


"So spin it however makes you feel better. If you follow the trail of posters here..it was imperative Kansas hire a defensive-minded coach, or one of the top names available, or hire someone with established recruiting relationships in Texas. At last "check" or is it "chick" Kansas hasn't done any of that with this hire."

That is just your opinion. There were also posters that wanted Houston Nutt or Herm Edwards hired, but it does not make anyone of us right. I will say, however, that the majority of posters here and in other KU related boards overwhemingly support hiring Weis.


"Again, and you're welcome to "quote" me, "It appears when the stakes couldn't be any higher or consequences of getting it wrong any greater, the Jayhawk nation has once again hitched its wagon to someone who has something to prove, versus someone proven at a college level.""

Again, that is your opinion and you are entitled to one; however, you are not entitled to your own facts. Reality is what it is, and you saying otherwise does not make its so...and you can quote me on that.

bad_dog 2 years, 11 months ago

"...so far in his career post Belechick, that's been the case."

I don't believe the Chief's 2009 or 2011 offenses agree with your assessment.

kufankam 2 years, 11 months ago

Charlie said that one of Bill Belichick's strengths is foresight.... Wouldn't we all have great foresight if we filmed the opposing team's bench and studied their play calling signals, patterns, etc.?

I'm not knocking Chuck; I just thought that was kind of funny!

justinryman 2 years, 11 months ago

Charlie to be on the Dn patrick radio show this morning.

When was the last time a KU football coach was on a national syndicated radio show?

Way toi get into the national spotlight.

Clarence Haynes 2 years, 11 months ago

We really need more of this if we are to attract high calibre athletes to KU, not only for football but for B Ball as well. EXPOSURE (not of the Lindsay Lohan variety)!

Dale Kroening 2 years, 11 months ago

JUst read he signed Tim Grunhard to his staff. I like it !

Clarence Haynes 2 years, 11 months ago

No more the predictability of 1) first down....run, 2) second down....run, third down......pass attempt or wildcat, and 4) punt!

ChiJayhawk4 2 years, 11 months ago

Does anyone know if Weis has already been on the Dan Patrick show, or it is still to come?

justinryman 2 years, 11 months ago

Still to come. As of 10 am cst. Show goes to 11 cst.

Thomas Green 2 years, 11 months ago

Listening now. Coming up in the 11:00 EST hour.

justinryman 2 years, 11 months ago

Charlie on in a minute or two as of right now!!!!!

Jayhawker111 2 years, 11 months ago

Your comment that Gill failed to recruit any good players is hogwash.

It’s well known that last year Gill (KU) secured the nation’s 34th-best recruiting class, according to Rivals.com, which put the Jayhawks fifth in the Big 12 and ahead of traditional nonconference powers Miami, Penn State and Wisconsin, among others.

Did your "source" comment on why Weis as offensive coordinator while at Florida had the 102 rated offense in the country?

Your source tells you that every year will show improvement...

Would that be just like Weis did at Notre Dame? NOT!

2005 9–3

2006 10–3

2007 3–9

2008 7–6

2009 6–6

Sparko 2 years, 11 months ago

Under Gill, a 34th ranked recruiting class was good for last in the BCS. The team went from bad to historically bad in a season. Weis made improvements while at ND. There were some lapses, but there was really one down year, 2007. This is improvement and a coach on a mission.

Jayhawker111 2 years, 11 months ago

Last place in the BCS was done with Mangino players - not Gill's.

Gills' recruits are freshmen and have to be given a chance to mature and get better. Gill never got that chance to see them through.

The first two years with another coaches recruits, Weis was 19 – 6 at ND.

In the last three years at Notre Dame with Weis recruits --he went 16 - 21....

Let's see 19 - 6 and then 16 -21......Nope I do not see any improvement.

I do not think the ND administration saw any improvement either and that is why they fired Weis.

manginodrh00lz 2 years, 11 months ago

What are you talking about? Your sources are named Herbstreit, Holtz, and whatever else you hear from ESPN's Game Day crew.

Bob Morse III 2 years, 11 months ago

In 2007 at ND he only had 13 upper classman that year to play with. How well do you think most teams with everyone being young?

flyingfinn 2 years, 11 months ago

The key here is the ability to make adjustments during a footbal game because we did not see any of that for the past 2 years

Tony Bandle 2 years, 11 months ago

Well, at least Kansas has about 10 months of national football relevancy until the 2012 season starts, then we'll see what we actually have.

Speaking of defense, if we win most of our games 42-35, that will be OK with me!!

I see no downside on the recruiting front when Coach Weis walks up to a recruit's front door. [Unless he cleans out the frig during the visit!!]

Jason Keller 2 years, 11 months ago

Let me try and break this down. 4 star athletes who are talented but aren't quite an NFL home run are going to need a coach or two who can make a phone call and get someone out to a pro-day. If you were that 4 star athlete would you come to Kansas? Yes, because our coaching staff has deep NFL roots and connections. That is all a top recruit cares about. Getting prepared for the league and getting into the league. Get em' in here Charlie.

tical523 2 years, 11 months ago

I did not like gill but he did not bring in garbage , you can't believe that!

kufankam 2 years, 11 months ago

Say what you want about Gill as a coach not making adjustments, not motivating, etc. However, when you fail to acknowledge cold hard facts that Jayhawker111 has given you, you look like the moron. Fact is, Gill did get good players. You can talk all day about how he wouldn't have won with them anyway (but you look foolish when you say he brought in garbage). A 34th ranked class at KU is pretty darn good. Gill was fired for not developing the talent on the field, not because he did not get talent to Lawrence. I am not here to say Gill should still be the coach or that Charlie should not be the coach. I am merely saying that you need to re-think your argument if you are wanting to call someone else a moron. Jayhawker111 brought up a very valid point - Weis's first years with TY's players vs. his last three with his own. That record speaks directly to "recruiting". If you want to call someone a moron, at least acknowledge solid evidence in their argument.

David Atchley 2 years, 11 months ago

Be sure and ask all those college athletes at Notre Dame and Florida how that "Charlie Weis" with his NFL rings and contacts is working out for them! Particularly "Brady Quinn" who was personally mentored by Weis. Florida was getting rid of Weis, the offense had been the worst in Florida football since 1988.

So, if you can't win at Notre Dame, or at Florida, with the invincible Charlie Weis contacts with the NFL, imagine the good fortune he'll have for the year or two he's at Kansas. He took the Kansas job because of needing to get out of Gainesville fast, and with his "college coaching" resume' the only school desperate enough was Kansas.

Those of you that truly haven't sat in a family room with a coach trying to recruit a high school athlete, the fact that Charlie Weis has a knuckle or two adorned with Super Bowl rings, won't camoflauge his 3 jobs in 5 years and leaving a program like "Florida" to be a head coach at Kansas. Oh and that being run out of town by your own alma mater episode at Notre Dame.

His reason on the Dan Patrick Show is "he couldn't understand why there is one school in Kansas with a 10-2 record, and another with a 2-10 record and he couldn't figure out why that is the case?" Does he plan on spending the the first season as the poster boy of that 10% of cases that gastric bypass surgery doesn't work for...contemplating the mysteries of the ineptness that is Kansas Football, or simply call Bill Snyder and save everyone a lot of time?

Al Martin 2 years, 11 months ago

You know, I can get that you don’t like the hire. I can even get your reasons. And I mean I should be able to get your reasons, because you’ve spewed them in every single article since Weis was hired.

Weis may work out, or he may not. We're KU, so odds are that he won't. I choose to be hopeful about him (and lord help me, I was hopeful for a while with Gill, too). Why is it so important to you that I and others like me aren’t? Cuz dude, you really are the turd in the punch bowl here.

Jason Keller 2 years, 11 months ago

Ask Brady Quinn!? He would say that with the help of Charlie Weis, he was drafted in the first round of the NFL draft and has since sat comfortably on an NFL roster. Yeah, Charlie Weis really failed him.

Didn't this guy help the Chiefs win their division at 10-6 and go to the playoffs for the first time in 5 years? Didn't this guy go to two BCS bowls as a head coach at Notre Dame? I will never forget when he had USC (in their prime) beat until Matt pushed Reggie Bush into the endzone.

Did you read what Bill Belichick said about him? Have you read about the two coaches he has brought in already?

What he meant about the Kansas thing is that we must not be at a geographical disadvantage because Kansas State (an hour away) is winning. That's all he meant.

Don't try and belittle the other readers by implying that you have experience recruiting young men to a program. We don't care.

mikehawk 2 years, 11 months ago

Can he recruit to Kansas? I don't doubt his coaching abilities. His pedigree speaks for itself. But this isn't recruiting to Notre Dame. Unlike basketball, you have to recruit LOTS of good players in football on both sides of the ball. I am concerned the KU faithful are going to fall into believing he can turn things in his first year. If losses pile up, will the faithful pile on? Everyone down on Coach Gill are going to find out how good were the players he recruited in Coach Weis's first year. The second and third years are Coach Weis's. Interesting bloggers tended to refer to our previous head coach as "Gill." Now, the pattern is emerging our new coach is addressed as "Charlie." His hiring certainly is generating BUZZ around the courtry. That ain't bad.

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