Tuesday, December 13, 2011


Football recruits, count the rings


When Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger last left town, he vowed he would not return without a new football coach on the flight back with him. Zenger kept his promise.

Now it’s the new coach’s turn to head out of town. No, not to cross the border for a job interview with the Kansas City Chiefs. Nobody familiar with the gusto with which Charlie Weis has plunged into his new job is worried that will happen.

Weis leaves Lawrence today on a recruiting trip, where his name will arrive before he does.

“If you say his name, everyone knows who he is,” freshman safety Victor Simmons said.

Weis also has more that he can show to recruits than most coaches. For starters, four Super Bowl rings, if he chooses to do so. Weis was an offensive assistant with the New York Giants under Bill Parcells in Super Bowl XXV, an offensive coordinator under Bill Belichick in the New England Patriots’ Super Bowl victories in XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX.

His name opens doors. His rings open eyes. The answered doorbell ring and the shiny bling make a difference because style points do matter. But the really smart athlete makes his decision based on whether he thinks the coach seated across from him will find a way for him to maximize his potential.

For every quarterback he visits, Weis can prove that without even mentioning the name of Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time.

The most revealing quarterback statistics: 1. Win-loss record; 2. Touchdowns; 3. Interceptions; 4. Yards per attempt.

A look at the Notre Dame career of Brady Quinn with and without Weis as head coach, as well as studying the Kansas City Chiefs’ numbers compiled by Matt Cassel in one season with Weis as his offensive coordinator and two years under different bosses, sings louder than rings.

Weis coached Quinn as a junior and senior, so his numbers should have improved, but the extent to which they did blows the mind.

In starts under Tyrone Willingham, Quinn had a record of 10-11, averaged 6.4 yards per attempt and threw 26 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. In starts under Weis, Quinn went 19-6, averaged eight yards per attempt and threw 69 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.

In Chiefs starts without Weis, Cassel has gone 7-16, averaged 6.1 yards per attempt and thrown 26 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. Working for Weis, Cassel went 10-5, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and threw 27 touchdown passes and seven interceptions.

Weis won’t have any trouble recruiting quarterbacks to Kansas. Also, receivers and tight ends know they’ll get featured and, in turn, will look better to NFL scouts. Of greater import, their mothers will know they will earn college degrees, as did Weis’ Notre Dame players.


treed14ku 9 years, 1 month ago

Keegan put Collin Klein second for the Heisman. The man shouldn't be allowed to even comment on football.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 1 month ago

Keegan's readership must be full of journalism professors, editors, newspaper critics and pulitzer prize winners. They're always first jump on the comment board and critique his writing rather than comment on the content.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 1 month ago

Have you looked at Klein's stats??? He deserves to be in the consideration conversation.

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 1 month ago

+1 Some ignorant people on this website would like to say Klein sucks simply because he plays for KSU, and that is their only support for that argument. As much as I hate to say it, we Jayhawks have our share of ignorant KU fans...not as many as the KSU fan base, but we do have some. Klein's a solid football player. Pure prototype QB? Nope. But a football player, definitely. If you want to say that you hate KSU because they're our rival, that's fine. But KSU went 10-2 this year and Klein was a huge part of that.

treed14ku 9 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, I did look at his stats. And they aren't 2nd in the Heisman good. I'm not saying he isn't a good player. Some of you people don't seem to grasp the concept that just b/c a player is "good" doesn't mean he should be 2nd for the Heisman. You can still be good and finish at like 7th or 8th in the Heisman. Listen, Klein completes only 57% of his passes which is REALLY poor for any QB, let along one that is completing that % against defenses that stack the box. If you want to see a QB who does a good job against defenses that guard the run, look no further than Russell Wilson who completed 72% of his passes. And don't try to tell me Klein is an elite rusher b/c last time I checked elite rushers don't rush for 4 yards on 26 carries against Texas or 45 yards on 24 carries against Mizzou or 78 yards on 25 carries against Eastern Kentucky. Sure he has over 1,000 yds rushing, but its on a ridiculous 293 carries for an extremely low 3.8 yards per carry. He did get an impressive 58 yards passing against OU I guess. And his 74 yards passing against Kent State, 83 yards passing against Texas, 112 against Mizzou, 128 against EKU, 133 against Miami, and 146 against Baylor/Texas Tech were also impressive performances. You do realize KSU won a game against EKU 10-7 due to their defense, a game against Miami b/c their defense held Miami at the one yd line on 4 straight plays, a game against Texas when Klein had a TOTAL of 87 yards of offense. Is he a good player? Yes. But are those the numbers of #2 finisher in the Heisman? Absolutely not. I'm sure you will completely ignore all the stats I just provided in your rebuttals, but at least I tried to provide some common sense to this discussion.

treed14ku 9 years, 1 month ago

That was such an intelligent and thought provoking comment. Thank you for your contribution.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 1 month ago

Peyton Manning is the greatest qb of all time!!!

Stephen Johnson 9 years, 1 month ago

even though I hate the Bronco's and Elway, I have to give the man his due. he took several Bronco teams to the Super Bowl that had no business being there and when he finally had a running game to support him he won the whole thing. Also, Montana needs to be in this discussion. If I have to pick between Brady and Manning, it's Brady hands down.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 1 month ago

you're wrong, not even close. Peyton over Brady any day uh da week.

Clarence Glasse 9 years, 1 month ago

I don't understand why this remark follows this post. ???????

Clarence Glasse 9 years, 1 month ago

Got my comment in a little late. It refers to the comment made by treed14ku up above.

treed14ku 9 years, 1 month ago

He posted his ballot on twitter tonight. I figured it should be shown to all what a "genius" that Keegan is. But hey, at least his sources that we were going to hire Leach,Fedora,Fullmer,an NFL head coach or Doeren were spot on.

railer20 9 years, 1 month ago

I don't know why Klein couldn't have been on Heisman ballots...I despise K-state, but he did everything Tim Tebow did the year he won it except go to the National Championship game...and he only lost one more game than Tebow did.

stuck88 9 years, 1 month ago

Tebow went 9-3 the year he won the Heisman.

John Fryback 9 years, 1 month ago

Treed, if TK put RG3 as #1 and Klein as #2 I would have to agree. Klein and Griffin did a lot more than most of the usual candidates ... Jason White in 2003, WTH? The school won that one not the player. KSU or not I love watching Klein, seems like a great kid!

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

Agreed. This is getting ridiculous. If Tom Keegan says it, people on this board freak out.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

Recruits can count the rings but eventually, they are going to have to tour our eye sore of a stadium. If we want to be a legitimate football program we have to get that thing up to par. It is embarrassing to see Mizzou and KState having stadiums that put ours to shame.

  1. Remove Track and add some seats closer to the field. (higher stadium capacity and it will be much louder on the field)
  2. Replace the chain link fence in the Campanile side with a wall or something cool.

Those are essential. The next few would just be fun...

  1. I loved the idea of the "Gridiron Club"... Bring it back!
  2. Put a Hall of Fame somewhere in the stadium.
  3. There should be a banner or something commemorating our bowl victories that can be seen from inside the stadium. Maybe a big board on the bowl side of the stadium?
  4. Don't remove all the bleachers, but maybe replace some of them with actual seating?
  5. Some nice blue stones to line the outside of the stadium? Concrete isn't a good look.

I know some of us harp on the stadium, but there is a reason for it. Athletes DO pay attention to these things. Some of the things above would cost a lot of $$$ but some really would not and they could add a lot to the stadium.

Steve Corder 9 years, 1 month ago

I understand. If Weis wins, and wins big, then you just might get what you want plus even more.

railer20 9 years, 1 month ago

K-State's stadium isn't all that great...the only things it has over KU is no track and parking...Yea KU's building looks older but its not like its falling apart.

kugrad93 9 years, 1 month ago

Last time I was at a KSU game (maybe five years ago) they still had folding chairs behind one end zone.

Jayhawktriplegrad 9 years, 1 month ago

K-State's stadium is a hole in the ground in the middle of a pasture just downwind from the dairy barns. Don't see how anyone could think that's better than Memorial Stadium.

VaJay 9 years, 1 month ago

OK, we get it. Now stop cutting & pasting from earlier posts...

jackwhacker 9 years, 1 month ago

Couldn't agree with you more. I really like the stadium suggestions.

W Keith Swinehart II 9 years, 1 month ago

How about a low cost approach like a line of Crimson and Blue University Clothing that fans would start wearing at the stadium on game day, like Texas, Michigan, LSU and other football noteworthys. Looks great from the blimp view. It would cost the University nothing, and would actually bring in sales revenue, help support the athletics programs and would allow the fans to demonstrate their fan support.

kckmedic 9 years, 1 month ago

I'm with you on the track but there's one problem. One of the plans Lew had before the economy shot craps was to build an "Olympic Village" by the Fieldhouse and Baseball field. It called for revamped softball statdium, new soccer stadium, and a Track Only complex. But that's on hold now. You have to realize that we have one of the top track meets in the country in the KU Relays. So that track isn't going anywhere until we can build a new one.

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 1 month ago

TK, with all your connections and insight, please do an article on improving Memorial Stadium. I hate saying this but even with HCCW's rings, top notch recruits probably wont come to KU when they see that track. You know this and we all know this. We also know it costs to remove the track and upgrade, etc, however, what is the opportunity cost for not doing anything? Please pose that article to the big man.

An article by you and Taitt would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


741hawk 9 years, 1 month ago

TK, check with Dolph. He has a copy of the engineering study re lowering the field in his archives.

Jim Jackson 9 years, 1 month ago

That track is laughable. Hope Zenger does something about it

The_Real_Hawkman 9 years, 1 month ago

Stanford took the track out at their stadium a few years ago

First thing on the list is turn the program into a winner year in and year out, build the olympic village, then renovate Memorial, I have already had some ideas what they could do, but I seriously doubt they ask me. It would be cool if they asked the fans to submit ideas and reward them with season tickets for life or something

741hawk 9 years, 1 month ago

Actually, Stanford built a new stadium. The old one was awful. Built on a hillside, you had dirt under your seat!

A new stadium at KU should be under consideration, as well.

ltownatrain 9 years, 1 month ago

They are not going to build a new stadium. I mean where would they build it (they couldn't build it on campus.) Besides that stadium is the oldest west of the Mississippi which in my opinion gives it a bit of coolness. If they do anything it should be renovate the stadium. Just because it's old doesn't mean they can't do it I mean Memorial Stadium at the University of Nebraska is about the same age and its in good shape because they put money in it. Long story short, KU's stadium isn't that awful it just needs some upgrades, Keep the history but add to it.

ack 9 years, 1 month ago

I'll say it again....Need a recruiter Hire Mike Ackerley Tenn Titans Dir. of College recruitment. Former Kansas Asst Coach.

Locomotion 9 years, 1 month ago

Listen up-

  One way or the other the gent leaves.   Where has he not done so and what is at KU that would alter this past behavior?

Dirk Medema 9 years, 1 month ago

What a genius! How long did it take for you to figure that out? Maybe you could have just listened to Coach Weis talk about the job, and the fact that he intends to be here 5 years to turn the program around and hand it off to his successor.

bjejayhawk69 9 years, 1 month ago

I agree with some of the above posts of

  1. remove the track.
  2. do something with open end / hill side
  3. I do like the idea of something showing our bowl history

I like the outside of the stadium from the north side - having it enclosed looks good. The hill setting is unique and should be accenuated some how like the Fambrough memorial. Maybe some statues or something of some the KU greats like Sayers, Riggins, Hadl and Cromwell along a walk way to the stadium. That idea of a Hall of Fame with the bowl trophies etc in the stadium like what we have at Allen would make a better game day experience. Right now they are all in the football facility where hardly no gets to see them.

misfire 9 years, 1 month ago

I have been going to Memorial Stadium since season tickets were $24. I have seen a lot of good KU teams there. I would hate to see it torn down. The idea of taking out the track would be nice. Leave the open end alone. A lot could be done to upgrade what we have.

DocPossum 9 years, 1 month ago

Anyone hear who might be coming as Asst. Coaches?

Eric Sorrentino 9 years, 1 month ago

Hey Tom, very nice read. I'm really curious what QBs Weis brings in with his experience in coaching big names. Love the bold Brady comment as best QB ever. I was just having this conversation the other day. If there's anyone I'd take over Brady, it'd be Montana or Manning (or my personal favorite, Rich Gannon). But really, I don't think I'd take anyone over Brady.

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