Tuesday, December 13, 2011


Football recruits, count the rings


When Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger last left town, he vowed he would not return without a new football coach on the flight back with him. Zenger kept his promise.

Now it’s the new coach’s turn to head out of town. No, not to cross the border for a job interview with the Kansas City Chiefs. Nobody familiar with the gusto with which Charlie Weis has plunged into his new job is worried that will happen.

Weis leaves Lawrence today on a recruiting trip, where his name will arrive before he does.

“If you say his name, everyone knows who he is,” freshman safety Victor Simmons said.

Weis also has more that he can show to recruits than most coaches. For starters, four Super Bowl rings, if he chooses to do so. Weis was an offensive assistant with the New York Giants under Bill Parcells in Super Bowl XXV, an offensive coordinator under Bill Belichick in the New England Patriots’ Super Bowl victories in XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX.

His name opens doors. His rings open eyes. The answered doorbell ring and the shiny bling make a difference because style points do matter. But the really smart athlete makes his decision based on whether he thinks the coach seated across from him will find a way for him to maximize his potential.

For every quarterback he visits, Weis can prove that without even mentioning the name of Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time.

The most revealing quarterback statistics: 1. Win-loss record; 2. Touchdowns; 3. Interceptions; 4. Yards per attempt.

A look at the Notre Dame career of Brady Quinn with and without Weis as head coach, as well as studying the Kansas City Chiefs’ numbers compiled by Matt Cassel in one season with Weis as his offensive coordinator and two years under different bosses, sings louder than rings.

Weis coached Quinn as a junior and senior, so his numbers should have improved, but the extent to which they did blows the mind.

In starts under Tyrone Willingham, Quinn had a record of 10-11, averaged 6.4 yards per attempt and threw 26 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. In starts under Weis, Quinn went 19-6, averaged eight yards per attempt and threw 69 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.

In Chiefs starts without Weis, Cassel has gone 7-16, averaged 6.1 yards per attempt and thrown 26 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. Working for Weis, Cassel went 10-5, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and threw 27 touchdown passes and seven interceptions.

Weis won’t have any trouble recruiting quarterbacks to Kansas. Also, receivers and tight ends know they’ll get featured and, in turn, will look better to NFL scouts. Of greater import, their mothers will know they will earn college degrees, as did Weis’ Notre Dame players.


Eric Sorrentino 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey Tom, very nice read. I'm really curious what QBs Weis brings in with his experience in coaching big names. Love the bold Brady comment as best QB ever. I was just having this conversation the other day. If there's anyone I'd take over Brady, it'd be Montana or Manning (or my personal favorite, Rich Gannon). But really, I don't think I'd take anyone over Brady.


DocPossum 2 years, 4 months ago

Anyone hear who might be coming as Asst. Coaches?


misfire 2 years, 4 months ago

I have been going to Memorial Stadium since season tickets were $24. I have seen a lot of good KU teams there. I would hate to see it torn down. The idea of taking out the track would be nice. Leave the open end alone. A lot could be done to upgrade what we have.


hihawk 2 years, 4 months ago

Tom, you just did it again, a great article, well written, and good subject manner. Keep up the good work. You make the rest of the writters (Matt, Jesse, ect.) there look good, The stadium at KU needs a complete overhaul, it is far below Kansas ST's stadium.


bjejayhawk69 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree with some of the above posts of

  1. remove the track.
  2. do something with open end / hill side
  3. I do like the idea of something showing our bowl history

I like the outside of the stadium from the north side - having it enclosed looks good. The hill setting is unique and should be accenuated some how like the Fambrough memorial. Maybe some statues or something of some the KU greats like Sayers, Riggins, Hadl and Cromwell along a walk way to the stadium. That idea of a Hall of Fame with the bowl trophies etc in the stadium like what we have at Allen would make a better game day experience. Right now they are all in the football facility where hardly no gets to see them.


Locomotion 2 years, 4 months ago

Listen up-

  One way or the other the gent leaves.   Where has he not done so and what is at KU that would alter this past behavior?

ack 2 years, 4 months ago

I'll say it again....Need a recruiter Hire Mike Ackerley Tenn Titans Dir. of College recruitment. Former Kansas Asst Coach.


The_Real_Hawkman 2 years, 4 months ago

Stanford took the track out at their stadium a few years ago

First thing on the list is turn the program into a winner year in and year out, build the olympic village, then renovate Memorial, I have already had some ideas what they could do, but I seriously doubt they ask me. It would be cool if they asked the fans to submit ideas and reward them with season tickets for life or something


Jim Jackson 2 years, 4 months ago

That track is laughable. Hope Zenger does something about it


FSUJHAWK 2 years, 4 months ago

TK, with all your connections and insight, please do an article on improving Memorial Stadium. I hate saying this but even with HCCW's rings, top notch recruits probably wont come to KU when they see that track. You know this and we all know this. We also know it costs to remove the track and upgrade, etc, however, what is the opportunity cost for not doing anything? Please pose that article to the big man.

An article by you and Taitt would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 4 months ago

Recruits can count the rings but eventually, they are going to have to tour our eye sore of a stadium. If we want to be a legitimate football program we have to get that thing up to par. It is embarrassing to see Mizzou and KState having stadiums that put ours to shame.

  1. Remove Track and add some seats closer to the field. (higher stadium capacity and it will be much louder on the field)
  2. Replace the chain link fence in the Campanile side with a wall or something cool.

Those are essential. The next few would just be fun...

  1. I loved the idea of the "Gridiron Club"... Bring it back!
  2. Put a Hall of Fame somewhere in the stadium.
  3. There should be a banner or something commemorating our bowl victories that can be seen from inside the stadium. Maybe a big board on the bowl side of the stadium?
  4. Don't remove all the bleachers, but maybe replace some of them with actual seating?
  5. Some nice blue stones to line the outside of the stadium? Concrete isn't a good look.

I know some of us harp on the stadium, but there is a reason for it. Athletes DO pay attention to these things. Some of the things above would cost a lot of $$$ but some really would not and they could add a lot to the stadium.


nwk_jayhawk74 2 years, 4 months ago

Treed, if TK put RG3 as #1 and Klein as #2 I would have to agree. Klein and Griffin did a lot more than most of the usual candidates ... Jason White in 2003, WTH? The school won that one not the player. KSU or not I love watching Klein, seems like a great kid!


alphajay 2 years, 4 months ago

I don't understand why this remark follows this post. ???????


Chris Bruning 2 years, 4 months ago

Peyton Manning is the greatest qb of all time!!!


treed14ku 2 years, 4 months ago

Keegan put Collin Klein second for the Heisman. The man shouldn't be allowed to even comment on football.


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