Friday, December 9, 2011


Sheahon Zenger’s pick: Take it or Leavitt


Some might ask why Charlie Weis, a coach with a national profile, accepted an offer to coach football at Kansas University. That’s an easy one to answer. He failed at Notre Dame and has too much pride to let that be his lasting legacy as a head coach.

The tougher questions will be sent Sheahon Zenger’s way today at a 5 p.m. news conference in the football complex, starting with “Why Charlie Weis?”

Zenger has to do better than the first quote he gave.

“This puts Kansas on the national map,” Zenger told’s Joe Schad, choosing to speak first to the national media.

Excuse me, but didn’t Mark Mangino and his staff already do that by coaching up a group of largely two-star recruits so well that the Jayhawks were ranked No. 2 in the nation with an 11-0 record before losing to Missouri and then going on to win the Orange Bowl? That team finished 12-1, ranked No. 7 and very much on the national map.

The other troubling thing about that quote — and the first quote generally is the most honest one because it hasn’t been rehearsed — is that it smacks of an athletic director more concerned with winning the news conference than building a winner on the field.

Weis certainly was the biggest name Kansas could have landed. Zenger made a splash heard ’round the football world by hiring a man who has had success developing quarterbacks as talented as Tom Brady, at New England, and Jimmy Clausen at Notre Dame, and as unspectacular as Matt Cassel of the Kansas City Chiefs.

The responsibilities of a college head coach differ so greatly from those of an NFL offensive coordinator. A college head coach must assemble a staff of assistants who blend the right qualities necessary to evaluate talent, develop recruiting contacts and instruct the recruits who commit.

At Notre Dame, Weis got off to such a great start on the field and in the recruiting rankings that the school felt compelled to sign him to a 10-year contract extension in the middle of his second year. Weis went 19-6 in his first two seasons, and the Fighting Irish faithful were convinced even better times were on the horizon because Weis landed Clausen, the nation’s top-ranked recruit who had gone 42-0 and thrown a California-record 146 touchdown passes.

In the next three seasons, Weis went 16-23 with Clausen as his quarterback in most of the games. Clausen improved significantly each season, throwing seven interceptions and six touchdowns as a freshman, 25 touchdowns and 17 picks as a sophomore and 28 touchdowns and four interceptions as a junior in 2009. That didn’t save Weis’ job, and he was fired after a 6-6 season.

Notre Dame, which doesn’t tolerate coaches who don’t smile for the cameras unless they are big-time winners, so badly wanted to end the Weis era that it paid the coach more to go away than the $6 million Kansas is paying Turner Gill. The Chicago Tribune reported that Weis’ initial termination payment was for $6,638,403 “under a separation agreement that includes much smaller payments through December, 2015,” according to information in a Form 990 Notre Dame filed with the Internal Revenue Service.

It didn’t take Weis long to land a job in the NFL. He tutored Cassel to a 27-touchdown, seven-interception season with the Chiefs in 2010. In Cassel’s other two seasons with Kansas City, Cassel has combined for 26 touchdowns and 25 picks, irrefutable evidence that Weis knows how to bring out the best in quarterbacks.

That stat should help Dayne Crist, a quarterback recruited to Notre Dame by Weis, realize that transferring to Kansas means he’ll play for a guy who will make him better. Crist started as a sophomore at ND, but was beat out as a junior and announced he will transfer. He will graduate this month and because of that won’t have to sit out a year at his new school. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, however, reported he is considering transferring to Wisconsin.

Weis comes to Kansas from Florida, where he was former Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp’s offensive coordinator.

In Weis’ one season as offensive coordinator, the Gators ranked 72nd among 120 FBS schools with 25.6 points per game and 102nd with 334.2 yards per game.

If Zenger didn’t make this hire to attract national media attention, maybe he has another major move coming. Could it be Zenger will entice his former boss, ex-South Florida coach Jim Leavitt, to leave the San Francisco 49ers after their season ends to come to KU as defensive coordinator? Such a move would allow Leavitt to rehab an image that was tainted when he allegedly struck a player and then was involved in an apparent cover-up. Leavitt shows he’s not that guy by behaving at Kansas and then takes over when Weis retires?


Micky Baker 9 years, 10 months ago

Possibility of a long term stability created if Leavitt comes to Kansas with Weis.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

He's not going to leave the 49ers for anything less than a head coaching job. I was hoping to get Leavitt or Leach but Charlie Weis might be the best of the three.

KU_Alumn_2000 9 years, 10 months ago

And because Zenger talked to the national media first.

Ashwin Rao 9 years, 10 months ago

Did you catch that as well! :) Keegan needs to know that there is a hierarchy even in the Sports News, and when you get a big og, you go to the big dogs! Zenger does seem to play the big boy games!

Jayhawk_4_Life 9 years, 10 months ago

definitely because Zenger didn't go to him first

zissou 9 years, 10 months ago

Awwww, Keegan's got his little feelings hurt.

WilburNether 9 years, 10 months ago

BINGO! We have a winner!!!

Whine, Keegan whine.

Carter Patterson 9 years, 10 months ago

No doubt. NONE of Tom's guys were looked at and he's obviously p***sed. Too bad. Tom, it was FIVE football seasons ago that we went to the Orange Bowl. We also went in 1969. KU was WAY off the map. This is a great hire.

MorganR 9 years, 10 months ago

I can't aver as to Mr. Keegan's motives. I find it is best to assume pure motives unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary. I can, however, attest to the accuracy of Mr. Keegan's statements regarding Mr. Weis' stint at Notre Dame. There was considerable sentiment at Notre Dame that Mr. Weis' departure was a good thing. The complaints included, but were not limited, arrogance he exhibited throughout his tenure at ND despite having a lack luster record (I believe they mentioned a 60 Minutes interview as an example). There was also commentary that, despite being able to recruit some of the best athletes in the Nation, he could not produce winning football at ND.

In my advocacy for keeping coach Gill, my two primary concerns were that KU would select a coach that had ethical flaws and did not care about the kids - especially academics. I don't believe that is the case with Mr. Weis. A second order concern was that KU would select a coach merely because the person had a winning record at a prior institution. That apparently wasn't a motive in the selection process.

However, I do believe that some can be rehabilitated. I hope that's true with coach Weis and the coaches that he hires. I urge coach Weis to retaini as many of the coaches that worked for coach Gill as possible; largely as a matter of decency.

I wish coach Weis and his staff well.

142466 9 years, 10 months ago

I disagree with your assessment of Gill. I agree with your postulate, but Gill was so far outside the realm of acceptibility as to be a self-evident exception.

I share your specific concerns about Weis, especially his performance at ND. His struggles and his failures at ND cannot be easily dismissed.

The best predictor of how well a 55 year old new hire will perform on the job usually is his performance level at recent prior jobs, especially if his new duties are the same or very similar to those at his previous job.

How many head coaches who failed at ND, or failed at USC or at one of the other 3 or 4 everlasting NCAA FB factories experienced head coaching success at a subsequent NCAA school? I don't claim to be a college FB historian. Far from it. There must have been at least 1 or 2. But I can't think of any.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

Sour grapes it seems, from the guy that got it exactly wrong every time he opined.

It would be kind of ironic if Doeren was chosen as the DC. Not likely to ever happen given his current position/status as a HC, but it would sure be funny to me.

flyingfinn 9 years, 10 months ago

You know that is funny because it was the first thing that ran through my mind

Mike Skiles 9 years, 10 months ago


+1 1 1 1 1

Keegan got left at the bus stop - standing in the cold by himself (again!)

rwhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I stopped reading at this, "choosing to speak first to the national media."

I'm glad we have an AD who realizes the national media is vitally important to KU's success!

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 10 months ago

Zenger says, "“This puts Kansas on the national map,” Zenger told’s Joe Schad, choosing to speak first to the national media."

Keegan says, "Excuse me, but didn’t Mark Mangino and his staff already do that by coaching up a group of largely two-star recruits so well that the Jayhawks were ranked No. 2 in the nation with an 11-0 record before losing to Missouri and then going on to win the Orange Bowl? That team finished 12-1, ranked No. 7 and very much on the national map."

Jayhawkinmullen says, "Zenger did not hire or fire Mark Mangino, so what in the Sam hell are you talking about".

actorman 9 years, 10 months ago

I think his comment makes perfect sense, so I would direct the "what in the Sam hell are you talking about" question back to you, jayhawkinmullen.

He didn't say, "This puts Zenger on the national map." He said, "This puts KANSAS on the national map." What the hell difference does it make whether Zenger hired or fired Mangino or not??? TK's point is that Kansas has ALREADY been on the national map recently so it's kind of a bizarre statement from Zenger.

I think kusportsdotcom is probably right that there's at least some bitterness on Keegan's part involved in the writing of this article, but that particular comment is quite simple to understand -- except apparently to jayhawkinmullen.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan was responding to what Zenger said that this puts Kansas on the national map; which is true right? Then Keegan says about what Zenger says Excuse me (Mr. Zenger) but didn't Mark Mangino and his staff already do that, almost as if he is saying well you let go a coach that had KU on the national map so now you want to put them back on the map with Weis. Just does not make sense.

chriz 9 years, 10 months ago

I read it the same as you, jayhawk. The point is that although we were ON the map with Mangino, we quickly fell off the map again. Now we're back on. Why does Keegan have a problem with that?

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah as soon as we lost to North Dakota State we fell way off the map. Gill's first game wiped clean all of Mangino's accomplishments with the program.

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 10 months ago

You mean the 7 consecutive losses to end the 2009 season?

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

You conveniently forget to consider the Gill "nuclear bomb effec" that buried the KU football program so deep that it was literally off the map...except as the punch line of sports commentators.

So, yes, hiring Weis does put KU back on the map, Keegan's "panties-in-a-bunch" hissy fit notwithstanding .

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

RE: Leavitt

I really want to believe this as a possibility. I think that would be a powerful combination. However, I really cannot take Keegan's word with much weight. He has jumped from random guess to pure speculation day after day. I wish I thought he had some inside track; unfortunately, I do not. Yesterday, this was his quote:

"If I had to stake every possession of value I had — my house, my clutch putting stroke, my good looks — on being right, I would make that guess Doeren."

And that's just one of many, many examples.

Now before anyone calls me a "Keegan basher," I'm not trying to dog on him. He is free to write his thoughts, whether or not he has anything backing them up. What I'm saying is that I don't take what he says any more seriously than any single commenter on these boards. In fact, there are a number of commenters that seem significantly more plugged in.

So when he makes these kind of statements about Leavitt, I simply don't take it seriously. I have no reason to think it's a possibility, because his off the wall guesses/assumptions/ideas are almost always wrong.

I do hope this one will be correct, but I won't hold my breath.

actorman 9 years, 10 months ago

You're right on the mark, LA. By this point in the process, it's safe to say that Keegan has no credibility whatsoever.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Actorman I think you are right. Keegan is putting positive spin on again. Backfires every time. Have to agree with who he has mentioned as top guys though. Maybe he is either finding out about these guys too late. Timing is everything. What if these guys Leach, Fulmer, Fedora were already out of the running when the headlines came out? Now that would put a whole new spin on things. Maybe an agent leaking the story trying to get leverage in negotiations and keegan played right into their hands. Interesting thought. Zenger needs to journal all this so that some day it will be in a book.

Jayhawk_4_Life 9 years, 10 months ago's as if he's scavenging for stories to write about each night...i've seen better writing and more informed writing in the University Daily Kansan, and that's not saying much.

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

"Zenger has to do better than saying this"... Zengers job is to run an athletic department to the benefit of KU... This goes hand in hand with talking to people who help put us in the public limelight. His job is not to make a sour opinion, much less a sour opinion that is questionable and nonfactual... But good attempt, Keegan. Everyone has had enough.

And good job Jesse to not listen to foopa troopa. The guy I'm sure has been saying everyday in the office that "Doeren is the guy"... Glad someone can intelligently think for themselves... Critical thinking is one heck of a thing these days, eh?

Jmwesterhaus 9 years, 10 months ago

Actually LAJayhawk, Leavitt was seen boarding the plane with Weis and Zenger. The way that Keegan has written this article makes it seem like he was the one who came up with idea instead of mentioning that he got the idea from sources...

LJ Gee 9 years, 10 months ago

I couldnt agree more. There is definitely a tone of bitterness in this article for whatever reason. But you're right, none of the guys he talked about were apparently serious candidates for the job and he seems to just take shots in the dark to start conversation, which is fine, but take it with a grain of salt because thats all it is - a shot in the dark.

Im happy about Weiss personally. I mean, I dont think he's a slam dunk hire but then again, Kansas isnt landing a slum dunk hire (meaning a guy that is almost certainly going to be successful). Leach was pretty much the only shot at that and he went to Wazzu. It was either Weiss or some other OC with no HC experience and maybe half of Weiss' resume. Weiss wasnt even that bad at ND and they played tough schedules when he was there. KU is a tough place to win so Im glad we got a guy that gives us instant credibility with recruits and it would be AWESOME if Crist came here.

Micky Baker 9 years, 10 months ago

LAjayhawk, except I first read about it on ESPN. Not here.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Those of you who read this information elsewhere, or are saying it's based on actual reports, great!! As I said, I really hope that it comes to fruition, as that would make our program mighty strong.

My point was more general about not really taking what Keegan says seriously, as he seems to just wildly speculate most of the time. This is a perfect example of the effect that his previous wild speculation has on this current piece. If this is based in reality, then the problem is I don't take him seriously, because (1) he doesn't suggest any reports on this information, just makes it seem like he pulled it out of thin are, and (2) he is so often wrong. So even if this is actual, credible information, I have to look elsewhere to know that. See the problem?

Again, I hope this turns out to be true, for both our program's sake, and for Keegan to perhaps slowly build his credibility with the readership.

SCFD187 9 years, 10 months ago

Gruden would have been a grand slam hire!

Lucas Town 9 years, 10 months ago

Our football team probably couldn't play for Gruden, he would have to replace the most of the team to find a group that could play for him. I loved his attitude when coached Tampa Bay, so much fire. The last coach we had that had fire was exactly that, fired!

COjayrocks 9 years, 10 months ago

I think its irresponsible and trite on your part that after that 10-day, thorough search in which very, very little was leaked that "on the national map" was the only thing you had to pull from Zenger's HC search and subsequent hire. Not sure what it is, but over the past couple of years you are trying SO hard to seem objective to your readers and peers in your coverage KU that it comes across as if you go out of your way to be derogatory. Just so you know, it is possible to write a column that appeases your journalistic colleagues AND puts a positive spin on KU....they are not mutually exclusive.

The fact that you claim this hire can be validated by hiring Leavitt as the DC proves my above point. It obviously would be a great hire, but is that really the only way this hire can proven acceptable to you? Suddenly Weis hires Leavitt and suddenly Zenger's a genius? Cmon. I promise that if your work for LJW is good you will move on to bigger and better things, even if you throw in an occassional column that includes the words "success", "positive", and "support".

Brak 9 years, 10 months ago

Yea, chances are he was working on his Charlie Weis as possible next head coach article when it was announced. Keegan is always late to the party because he has to stop by White Castel and grab a Crave Case.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

we all know what they say about broken clocks. same applies here

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

This just shows us that Leavitt won't come here since Keegan hasn't been right about anything. Yes, this hire puts us on the map and the hiring of Mangino didn't put us on the map until we went to a major bowl game. Keegan, just for once can you make sense? How did you get the job as editor seriously?

I am certain Weis will be able to put a good staff together because of who is in and hope we get a big name OC or DC because I am sure Weis will only stay for a few years because he will eventually want a bigger job. Either way, for now this is a good hire.

Frankenhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan. Your pathetic attempt to rain on our parade with shoddy writing is not going to do it, sorry. Why don't you go cry with Ketizman on his radio program, maybe that will make you feel better.

sad_lawrencian 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan needs to retire and leave the sports reporting/blogging to the big boys. Shows absolutely NO class in bashing our new AD and head coach. Shame on you, Keegan.

amatxjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

It is hard to understand why I read anything this moron writes. Must be somewhere between self delusion and morbid curiosity. One time I say to myself, "Surely he can't find a way to piss me off today of all days." Another time it's, "What could he possible say that'd be dumber than yesterday?" He continues to amaze on both counts.

Jayhawk_4_Life 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan, you have to be one of the worst journalists in the country

Kevin Kelly 9 years, 10 months ago

I thought every Keegan article came with one free quote from a 'legendary' pitching coach I've never heard of.

blahblahblah 9 years, 10 months ago

I am a little surprised by Keeg's animosity for this hire. It seems the only logical explanation is some stiff competition at the buffet line. Maybe that also explains the Mangino incident. I'll bet all of my belongings on it. You can count on it. Heard it here first folks.

Kevin Kelly 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan's just mad someone in town now has a better front-butt than he does.

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

FB! Front butt! Lollllllllllllllllll. This is hilarious.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

You don't like Keegan's opinion ... so you criticize his appearance. Yeah, that makes sense.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Damn guys,you ever sleep? You all are either really early risers or very late at hitting the rack! Love the hire but the two coordinaters are every bit if not more important for this to work. RCJH!

PegLegg 9 years, 10 months ago

what's this internet thing you speak of?

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

There is only one "Post Comment" button. Click it once.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

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bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

Poor defenseless little mangino...

I know you previously used the loser name I attribute to you. If the LJW staff reviews your posting history under the name you previously used with your current nom-de-plume, they'll see the same stupid and/or arrogant comments about the impropriety of button-down collars in the workplace, slurs about rural folks, their closets full of camouflage clothing, lack of technological savvy, etc. etc. You outed yourself with your arrogance and choice of derisive adjectives.

Under your current user name, I only post a reply to your comments when you either say something incredibly doltish or arrogant. Aside from that, I couldn't care less about anything to do with you.

As an example of your denial/deflection technique, why would you need to look up the definition of KSA 21-3503 when I laid it out for you in the prior post and in many others since you adopted your new user name? You chose the prior loser name, not me. I took you to task for choosing that abomination and you never defended or explained why you chose it. You merely deflect & deny, change the subject or ignore it.

Go ahead, report this post. I truly hope you do if it brings attention to your prior posting history and the fact that you are a previously banned poster that reincarnated his/her/itself in violation of the Terms of Service you purport to hold so dear. Heck, maybe I'll self-report just to help draw their attention to you. Given your almighty knowledge of all things techy, you shouldn't have a problem understanding that, eh?

As for my being banned for personal attacks; pot meet kettle. See the 1st paragraph above for examples of your typical m.o. All anyone has to do is review your posting history to see numerous examples.

gwenthejayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Out of all the names Keegan threw out there from his "sources", never once was Weiss even mentioned. Learning - Keegan has no sources; and now this article sounds like sour grapes that he wasn't able to beat our AD to the punch. How long will we be made to suffer through Keegan's "journalism"? Or maybe it is the "front butt" jealousy.

agraves 9 years, 10 months ago

Hard to believe this guy and Matt Tait work for the same LJW. Things that make you go hmmmmm!

Chris Shaw 9 years, 10 months ago

You have to admit though.......................It is a pretty clever title based on his entire article.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, but Keegs didn't come up with it.

Danny Hernandez 9 years, 10 months ago

So, do you think Keegan reads these comments? IF so, Keegan, the above mentioned article smacks of jealousy because Weiss was a name you didn't mention earlier....You pushed Leach(loser in my books) and Fedora, (one game & he's a hero).

I'm glad neither was selected or elected to turn down the job if it had been offered. IF IT had been offered. Right now, no one knows who was tendered an offer other than Weiss. And I'm glad Zenger kept his mouth shut during this hiring process. As they say, a fish wouldn't get caught if it didn't open its' mouth!

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

I know Keegan reads at least some of these comments. That's because he once personally emailed me about one of mine.

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 10 months ago

Agree with everything you you said, dannyboy.

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Jaminrawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Mangino did put KU back on the map. Then he did it again in 2009 for the wrong reasons. Then Gill took them off the map. Then Gill put them back on the map as a laughingstock. The Weis hire is big news for better or worse. The national media is so eager to condemn him because it's easy to do. ND fell apart at the end of Weis's tenure so that automatically means he'll never be a good coach. Never mind that coaches like Bill Belechick, Pete Carroll, and Gene Chizik were coaches that failed at one job then won big at another. Weis's legacy will be largely determined by the staff he brings in and the way he works with the guys at KU right now. If he can whip this group into shape and add in some quality talent through recruiting and JUCOs, there's no reason KU can't go bowling again.

seagull 9 years, 10 months ago

Tom, let me get this straight. Charlie Weis is not known to have treated his players badly, made very obnoxious, sexist comments to the press or to have a wife who publicly belittles people with lisps so he's not a good pick? I agree it's an odd one, but just because you didn't pick this one right or because he doesn't fit your mold is no reason to start abusing the guy from day one. If you are so smart, why don't you try to recruit players and win football games at KU. Sounds as if your readers are tiring of your song.

jhox 9 years, 10 months ago

This is a disappointing hire in my book. We went for name over substance. How can a guy who was mediocre with Notre Dames' considerable resources be successful at Kansas? Especially a guy who has a reputation for not liking to recruit?

If Levitt were to come in as D coordinator that will make me feel better about the hire.

Weiss can coach. I just don't believe he has the managerial and PR skills needed for this job. I believe this will end badly, but hope I'm wrong.

Sam Brockert 9 years, 10 months ago

There are many restrictions put on the football program at Notre Dame. Here he will have more of a free reign.. also, I am pretty sure that the amount of games he won at Notre Dame would have given him a high status here if he had won them at ku... Had a better winning percentage at Notre Dame than Mangino had at KU.

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

Roy Williams and I believe Bill Self have said that recruiting is not their favorite part of the job. Coach Williams said it was his least favorite part. Yet, they do a remarkable job of it. Weis (one S) may also not like recruiting, but it does not mean he won't do it well.

KGphoto 9 years, 10 months ago

I think he's being knocked for not liking recruiting because he's honest about it. No coach really "likes" recruiting. They get through it. It's a grind for anybody. But he has landed top QBs even with the distaste for it, and he already has an elite recruiter on staff in Reggie Mitchell, not to mention Beatty.

jhox 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm just saying if he didn't like recruiting at ND, and didn't put a lot of effort into it, how discouraged is he going to be at KU when he finds out it is much tougher to recruit here? Landing guys at ND is easy.

We all love KU, but we also need to understand that as a football school, we are so far off of recruits' radar it isn't even funny.

I will concede that he won't have the admissions restrictions that he dealt with at ND, but at ND they could be choosey, with every game in prime time on national TV. Plus, make no mistake about it, our football schedule is every bit as difficult as Notre Dames' most seasons.

So here is a guy just a little over .500 at ND, with hand picked recuits (guys beating down their doors to get scholarships.) Now he's at KU, with a comparable tough schedule (we had the toughest rated schedule in the country this year) who now has to work for recruits. Not only that, he will have to find hidden gems among the leftovers that UT, OU and OSU don't want.

I'll be shocked if he succeeds. Hope I'm wrong. I have primo 50 yard line tickets I would really hate to give up.

rhollinshed 9 years, 10 months ago

Who ever said he didn't put much effort into recruiting? You know what happens when you assume. Pisses me off when people post like they are "all knowing". know very little and maybe you should stop posting. just a thought.

Bellator 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan you sir are an unhappy little man.

bcf8400 9 years, 10 months ago

In my opinion sour grapes on TK's part because SZ spoke to the national media before addressing the local media figures. Hey TK, get over it! I'd much rather be placed on the "national" map so we can recruit nationally than not. Oh yeah by the way, that national map that Mangino put us on? How did that help him recruit "nationally"? It didn't because we were a blip of a national story for a short time. SZ is attempting to change that. I give him props for this hire. I expect good things for our football program with a 4 time super bowl winner at the helm.

Dyrk Dugan 9 years, 10 months ago

not my first choice (he wasn't on any of my lists) but Charlie Weis is our new football coach.

Our coaching and teaching pedigree just got raised up quite a bit. No doubt about it, Weis can coach....can TEACH the game. He's been everywhere on every level.....he even coached defense at South Carolina.

the main thing is...and we'll get a sense of it today at the press how he'll interact with the fans and the kind of rapport he'll build. He did not do it well at Notre Dame. He did not like the public interaction that you have to do as a big time college head coach. Now hopefully, SZ has convinced him that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated....otherwise you'll be asked to leave (unless of course, you're winning big and we have no recruiting violations...which didn't occur at all in South Bend).

He's truly a genius in QB development. He can guide the most talented (Quinn, Clausen) to the needs deveoped guy (Brady 3 SB rings, Matt Cassel). so now another key is: defense. We need a strong defensive coordinator who will basically run the show on that side of the ball, and CW can work with his OC and focus on offense. I think Leavitt would be just fine...what about Mike Stoops?

a few things about this hire: there will be more cursing in the locker room; twitter is probably fair game; and OUR COACH IS PHAT T-Shirts can re emerge. :)

Go Jayhawks and welcome Coach Weis!

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree Weis has had success and honestly if we were guaranteed to go at least 7-5 every year and a bowl game we would take it. We don't have the academic restrictions and expectations of ND, which helps. Now I want to see what kind of staff he can put together. RECRUIT! lol

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

If not Leavitt for DC I wonder if Doeren would be interested? Yes, it would be a step down from head coach at N. Illinois, but he's only making $370k there and could come in with the idea that he would take over for Weis in 5 years or so? Would probably be dependent on if KU was his dream head coaching position.

Pat Sullivan 9 years, 10 months ago

My advice is that Keegan post blank columns moving forward but our cynical fan base would complain that he's still too opinionated. If Keegan had Crimson & Blue blood flowing through his veins, he would still render an opinion as that is what columnists are paid to do.
Congratulations to Zenger for keeping this so quiet that even our mighty fan base was not able to predict this hire.

Thomas Michaud 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan, you state: In Weis’ one season as offensive coordinator, the Gators ranked 72nd among 120 FBS schools with 25.6 points per game and 102nd with 334.2 yards per game.

Why not give a number for last year, before his hire ... and that It had been stale the year before? Why not talk about the OC and HC relationship at Florida -- apparently not the best. Was it Weis' fault alone that the offense started great but finished poorly in SEC play?

You start so many thoughts but seem to fail at developing it more fully I understand it's an opinion column, but give me a more thoguhtful opinion than my six-year old does with his dislike of squash.

NorthStarHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

"The other troubling thing about that that it smacks of an athletic director more concerned with winning the news conference than building a winner on the field."

Tom...let's see how this shoe fits.... "The other troubling thing with this that it smacks of an Sports editor more concerned with filling white space than writing insightful, intelligent articles for its readership."

Your sour grapes are long as Weis is at KU, is this the level of journalism we should expect to see week in and week out during football season? Geesh, hit the buffet and calm down.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 10 months ago

I guess we don't stand a chance of getting the ND transfer QB, since Keegan predicted Keegan quit jinxing us.

Jim Jackson 9 years, 10 months ago

Guys, Keegan's role is to be the anatagonist. Why not? Let him do his thing, it gives us a different perspective. Although It is pretty clear Tom, you are pissed at SZ for talking to Joe Schad first.

TwistedFish31 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan really coming off like a whiney b!tch in this one.

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Animosity aside, I think TK is right in the sense that he points to a couple important facts: HCCW (1) did a terrible job at Florida and ND and (2) the new Defensive Coordinator will dictate much of HCCW's success at KU.


Jayhawk1958 9 years, 10 months ago

Well considering the talent that Urban Meyer left him and the fact that Davie and Willingham also failed at ND, I'd like to think he will do well here.

Thomas Michaud 9 years, 10 months ago

See my post above with regards to Florida -- it wasn't bad before he got there and only had one season to develop his system. There was also questions about how well the HC and he got along. Who knows what COULD have happened in year two.

As for ND, I'm not going to sugar coat it and say the pressure at ND was more intense (than it will be in Kansas). I live just 30 minutes north of South Bend and watched many a game on TV. The one game (so take it for what it's worth) in 2009 I saw in person didn't leave a huge impression on me. I watched Weiss during warm-ups and in the game and didn't see someone that was necessarily a "fire 'em up" type but more business like. I have NO idea what the guy is like on the practice field, but he seemed (to me) much more laid back than I was expecting. BTW, ND lost the game to Navy -- the beginning of a 4-game losing streak (when the were ranked #19).

During Weiss' tenure, the South Bend media never really seemed to warm up to him and vice versa. The fan base is always rabid for their football and their expectations are exceedingly high -- rightfully so, considering their history. But the two coaches before him were equally under the microscope as well and fared worse. Tough to follow a Lou Holtz.

I'm really hoping that Charlie has a better experience this stint as a head coach -- and believe he will.

tahawk81 9 years, 10 months ago

The ND fan base needs to wake up. They have had 2 10 win seasons in the last 20 years, Weis had one of those. They are not the powerhouse they once were. To say he will not succeed at KU like he did at ND makes little sense to me.

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm not suggesting he will do a terrible job here at KU. I am merely stating the facts. True, by Gator standards Meyer didn't leave as much talent; however, by KU standards said talent would be considered studs. True also however is he failed in Gainesville, ask any Gator fan. This is coming from a Jayhawk/Seminole in Gator territory. As for the Muschamp vs Weiss issue, there was none. Weiss was given a free reign.

I am also stating that he will need help from his coaching staff, particularly on defense. Period.

Let's all hope SZ made the right choice.


Steve Yeakel 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss is a much better hire than Keegan, why did the LJW ever hire this guy, and why have they kept him? His stuff is negative and not worth reading. LJW, hello, we are KU fans here, we are the ones who buy your paper. Please get us a good hire for these spots.

Yolanda Gay 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan was right. Kansas was already on the map with our Orange Bowl season. We needed a coach that would bring back a winning tradition to our football team - not put Kansas on the map.

I don't know the guy but I continue to wonder why people so offended and hate Keegan's columns and comments continue to read them? Also, isn't he a columnist which means he writes his opinions?

Sam Brockert 9 years, 10 months ago

Kansas has NEVER had a winning tradition in football....And I hate to break it to you but the one really good year was because of the schedule.

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

Hells-bells, guys. Let's rejoice in a quality hire and forget about bashing the writer of the article. This is about Weis, not Keegan. It seems that more than half of you guys are slamming Keegan. Maybe Keeg is off base and maybe he is not. Still, the fact remains that we do have a new head football coach with big time experience at two levels. Let's rejoice in that and welcome Mr. Weis and his family to Lawrence. Now let's get on with recruiting, weight training, spring practice, summer drills, and a much better organized approach to playing a football game than we have experienced over the last two years.

Robert Brock 9 years, 10 months ago

SZ may be right about the hire putting KU back on the map. Turner Gill took the program off the edge of the Earth. Worst KU defense I have seen - and I have watched the Hawks since the late 1950s. I am hoping that Weis can get KU on a good glide-path.

Keegan, you're fired!

sevenyearhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Weis, with Coach Leavitt waiting in the wings ...

VERY intriguing.

lawrenceboy3 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis for the national recognition and offense and Leavitt for the defense. It's a long shot, but one that I would love to see happen. Keep dreaming big Tommy Boy!

Jayhawk1958 9 years, 10 months ago

Let's have a fundraising drive to buy out Keegan.

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

For what it's worth, Gruden is quoted in today's St. Pete Times endorsing Leavitt for the HC position at ASU.

The_Real_Hawkman 9 years, 10 months ago

Well looking at Keegans stories on who our new coach was going to be I guess Leavitt is out

CommonDialog 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's the problem I have with this article. (And it pains me to say it) I'm not sure that our Orange Bowl win put us on the map, especially when all the talking heads said a school like Kansas couldn't possibly deserve to be in the Top 10 (if you can find video of Kirk Herbstreit on ESPN, you'll see what I mean.)

Kansas' one Orange Bowl bid was a flash in the pan and the next what...3 years got us off the national map.

So perhaps Mister Zenger should have said it puts us "BACK on the national map." Therefore, the hiring of a name like Weis was a very good thing.

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

I have to agree that we had one good year, which was great, but we haven't done anything since so we weren't even close to being on the map in football..

PegLegg 9 years, 10 months ago

When you win 1 conference game in 2 seasons, you are no longer on the map.

Chayse Patrick 9 years, 10 months ago

as much as it hurts to say it, we were on the map for all the wrong reasons!!! the defense being the laughing stock of all the usa.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

On today's episode of Leavitt to Keegan...

Sour Grapes. How about an article admitting you were wrong. How about an article detailing how you are always wrong. That won't happen though, because that would require a bit of fact checking and research. It also won't happen because the list is too long and you wouldn't be able to write small enough to fit all your failures on the back of the cocktail napkin you usually scribble on.

It's clear that the bulk of your allotted 10 minutes of time to write an article is spent trying to think of a clever title. As with today's op-ed piece, usually that title has nothing to do with the bulk of the content of your article. You manage to throw out Leavitt's name in the final paragraph to attempt to justify the title, but it comes across as contrived and disjointed.

Conference realignment and this coaching search were the two biggest KU stories of these past several years and you brought absolutely nothing to the table. You were wrong every step of the way on each of these events - the basis of each article usually disproved within 48 hours. Honestly that is the only topic I care to hear you elaborate more on.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan is beginning to remind me of Jason Whitlock. Here's a couple of his more memorable gems:

"There's no way Greg Norman can lose the '96 Masters golf tournament" (the day before surrendering a 6 stroke lead and losing by 5 to Nick Faldo. One of the biggest flops in Master's history.

"The Chiefs are going to go 16-0." (after signing Chester McGlockton-RIP) Final record 7-9.

It got to the point that when Whitlock spoke it was either the kiss of death or you could take the opposite outcome to the bank. Keegs is vying for similar notoriety at this point.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan is like a reverse Oracle of Delphi - the opposite of whatever he writes is what usually happens. That, or he just spouts random thoughts and magical thinking. As for your comment about TK's analysis of confernece realignment, you couldn't be more right. Here is TK in 2010 thanking Beebe for saving the B12.

No wonder his career is in such a downward trajectory. A couple of years from now he'll be teaching High School Journalism in the Yukon Territory.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

I just can't wait to see how much SZ is paying Weis in order to win the press conference. Isn't KUAC already 60 million in debt? Can KU afford Weis?

Sour grapes aside, this is a good Keegan column; lots of strong points here.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

Just to be clear, am I winning or whining? I'm not sure whether to be happy or to complain some more. Or is "whinning" a new word that means someone who wins while whining? Because if that's the case then I'm OK with that - as long as there is winning involved.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

Furthermore, is "stupid" a level of idiocy? Perhaps being little is a prerequisite for this particular characterization.

Now back to work on my "computor".

Todd 9 years, 10 months ago

Are you stupid or something? Keegan gets paid a salary, not per article or per response. So nobody is putting money in his pockets. He gets paid whether people read this or not until people stop buying papers.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This post must be a failed attempt at satire. Better luck next time.

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

It was only weeks ago most of you were saying ANYONE would be better than TG. Your prayer has been answered.

Gordon Penny 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, not sure this guy is the right guy. At least he doesn't have a losing record from the MEAC, but he WAS fired from his last job for poor performance on the field. What kind of message is this sending? We can only get losing coaches to come to KU?

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

Get your drift but actually he has a winning record. If he goes 35-27 and makes three bowl appearances in his first five seasons they'll erect a statue of him in front of Memorial.

ejlumus 9 years, 10 months ago

Going positive .... Charlie's now a Jayhawk.

He is our coach.

Get behind him this may be our last chance.


Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry. Did that last time and I am not a yell leader. I am going to be a nasty critic. I and people like me will be the reason things change...because we are not just going to accept the status quo. We are going to push, push, push until we get it right.

Matt Warman 9 years, 10 months ago

Leavitt takes over when Weis retires?

They are both 55 years old...........just saying.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

there's 55 looking like 40 and then there's 55 going on 70...

thanksforcoming 9 years, 10 months ago

You have to respect a guy for accepting a challenge. He has already taught his first lesson. When you get knocked down, you get back up. I will support Coach Weis until he proves me wrong. I think it's a good hire and I can't wait to see who his staff will be.

Casey Gee 9 years, 10 months ago

I like this hire. Weiss has already proven in the NFL that he knows the X's and O's. The big question I think everyone is asking is: Can he manage all the other responsibilities of coaching a college team? Here's why I think he can. ND was his first head coaching experience. ND is a much more intense football school than KU. That isn't a very easy place to begin a career. Now after 2 years away from being a head coach, Weiss agrees to come to Kansas. Why? He's hungry to change his legacy. He wants to prove to the world that he is a good coach if given the opportunity. And what better place to do that than kansas after our last two years.

In addition, being fired and taking two years off from coaching will have forced him to evaluate ways he could have done better. He wouldn't want to come back unless he truly believes he can do better. That's what I want in my coach. And when Zenger says he puts Kansas on the national radar, that applies to recruiting just as much as media. I think we needed to do something just to be able to compete for recruits. With an NFL guy like Weiss as our coach, high school players will take notice.

TheShot122293 9 years, 10 months ago

I have never bashed Keegan before, mainly because I think every team and fan base needs to have the home team sports writer whom they hate.

This is ridiculous, though, Keegan. This article is below sophomoric, both in content and style. You are a hack, a whiner, and utterly clueless.

Other than that, I think you're great.

jgkojak 9 years, 10 months ago

The press is so full of themselves - heard it on the radio too - 610AM - "Charlie Weis lied to me about why he was leaving the Chiefs" - hidden meaning "he didn't break professional confidences and put himself in legal jeopardy by telling me what everyone knows, that Todd Haley is an a-----e and difficult to get along with" -

Who the hell do they think KU's gonna get?

If we ended up with that Auburn guy or Mark Stoops, the press would be all over Zenger for not being able to attract a proven commodity. So which is it?

Is Weis going to be a step up from Gill? Yes.

Is Weis going to develop Quarterbacks? Yes.

Is Weis probably bringing a 4-star QB here for 1 year (Chryst)? Yes.

Is Weis going to instantly attract some recruits to KS who wouldn't come otherwise? Yes.

Is Weis going to design an offense that puts up enough pts to win at least 6 games a year? 90% chance, yes.

Is Weis going to get KS back to Mangino-Orange bowl strength? No, because he won't have a year where he doesn't have to play Oklahoma and Texas.

Is Weis going to stick around for at least 5 years? Maybe. That's the big chance you take with him. If he's successful, he could easily jump to an NFL head coaching gig, or a bigger college program.

Is Weis going to be able to attract a top quality staff? Yes. Better than just about anyone else we could have hired.

Not sure what Keegan wants.

PegLegg 9 years, 10 months ago

i completely agree. he'll improve ku and if he does end up bolting in a short period of time, he'll leave us in a much better place than we currently are. when he leaves and ku isn't the most undesirable job in the country, i think this hire is solid. if it brings in better recruiting classes and attracts a better staff, what's not to love. only time will tell, but there's no reason to be bashing on bringing in a name like Weis to attempt to get us back on track after what we've gone through the past 2.5 years.

i'll trust SZ, i'm sure he wants the best for ku and put a lot of thought into the pros and cons of this hire. he did his research, he talked it out with his peers, and from all accounts that i've heard, he's done a hell of a job with this search. he'll do what he thinks is best for us, it's kind of like he works for ku or something.

ManginoRevenge 9 years, 10 months ago

I couldn't even stomach reading this whole article Keegan...this one is a hack job

RockChalkTrojan 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan, you're an idiot.

"Excuse me, but didn’t Mark Mangino and his staff already do that by coaching up a group of largely two-star recruits so well that the Jayhawks were ranked No. 2 in the nation with an 11-0 record before losing to Missouri and then going on to win the Orange Bowl? That team finished 12-1, ranked No. 7 and very much on the national map."

Yes. He did. But we fell OFF the national map every freaking year after that (ESPECIALLY these past 2). To contend that Kansas is "on the national map" for football, would be utterly stupid. Let's get real. The Orange Bowl year has been dubbed a fluke by the people who make the "national map." Get over it, Keegan.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Keegan has been trying to put a good spin on this thing from the beginning. I think he, like many of us, is dumbfounded by this selection. Adding Leavitt to the mix as the DC is also trying to put a positive spin on things. Does that set us up for disappointment? Maybe. Have we been set up for disappointment with the articles on Leach, then Fedora and Fulmer? Maybe.

Yet, I would rather have his outlook than to hear KU fans say "Just who would take this job anyway?" Think about it. There are accomplished OC's, DC's in both the NFL and NCAA who we could attract. There are accomplished head coaches in both college and pro. There are up and comers. There are veterans that want back in.

Ultimately, we will get over that. It is the disappointment of performance that we will not get over. We certainly can't blame Keegan for the sorry state of our football the last two years.

ESPN's Maisal says this about hiring Weiss: " Defense proved to be Weis's downfall on the field at Notre Dame. Three defensive coordinators over five seasons prevented the Irish from rising above mediocrity." Are you kidding me? It is obvious to all who follow KU we needed someone with some defensive knowledge. And we are told that Weiss has an ego, does not work well with others and that he is going to bring in a great DC. Excuse me for being extremely skeptical.

So, as far as this hire goes, I stand by my unyielding opinion that this is a terrible hire. And if Weiss is paid more than $2M per year and has a buyout clause I will be livid.

As far as Keegan goes, I think it was a poke in the eye for the AD to not come home first to make the announcement. Perhaps the AD was reacting to the way the LJW was covering events. I hope not. He needs to be above that.

As far as the article, I don't know why so many people of you are jumping on Keegan. He tells it like it is. And please, Keegan, hold Zenger's feet to the fire this afternoon at that press conference. We need details. Goals, Strategy, Name of the Search Firm used, If anyone else was offered the job, what killed such offers. Push, push, push. Build a bonfire under Zenger and Weiss and maybe, just maybe they will make it work.

But as for me I am done with trying to put a happy face on, done with "believe" and "let's wait and see" and "give him a chance" and "there is always basketball." Someday that last one is not going to be true. We may lose Bill Self. If OU and OSU go to another conference and the Big12 folds in the future then you can count on that. You can also point to this hire as the last critical move that KU made to put them in a good position should the conference fold...and we totally blew it. Well, not we. Just one guy. And i will happily eat my words if I am wrong, but meanwhile I am going to be the biggest critic until things change. Move over, Ahperse...

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

I am not trying to be a fan that fits your mold. I am trying to fan the flames. In Band of Brothers there is a grudging acknowledgement by a few that the chickens*&t ways of Captain Sobel made E-Company. There are times when we have to get riled up to get with it. There are times we have to be mad, our egos wounded, our butts kicked. I am willing to be the critic, willing to take the flack. I think that makes me as much of a fan as anyone. As I said I am not going to just sit here and go along with the program. Are you boys going to have the nutts to ask the hard questions or not this afternoon?

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Okay. I am weird. You are right. Eccentric genius, to be exact. So argue with me. Which of my points do you disagree with?

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't disappear on me yet, Dummy. Since you replied to my post, say something relevant. Respond to what I actually said, not how you feel. Use your brain. Tell me why this is such a good hire. There are many of us who have been in denial and it could be that you are too and you know it. You, too, are not happy with this hire but are afraid to say what you really think.

dtownhawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Well we fired Turner so can we get Keegan out next?

ironhead80 9 years, 10 months ago

You know Keegan your are smart, motivated, good with words, you went to school and made something of yourself. I'am sure you get paid well? This is your job and your doing it well because of all the responses you get on your articles. I really can admire that! The people that respond to your articles have nothing to do with you, it's about KU and the community that we live in, this is our home, our team which you will never understand what it means to be a true JAYHAWK! You was'nt born and raised her you'll never have the feeling or previledge of what exactly that drives the KU fan. Your so consumed about yourself and the next GREAT article your going to write out there and you miss the oppurtunity to be a GREAT writer your just like every other journalist out there that write about obvious subjects, kind of like John Madden did when he was given commentary.YOU KEEP HANGING IN THERE YOU"LL GET SOMEDAY!

rhollinshed 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow! I was an am happy about this hire....SZ did a great job in putting KU back on the football map. Sorry Keegan, 5-19 in two seasons is not on the map. Anything Mangino had accomplished was out the door when Gill was hired. This puts us back on the map. If you can't understand that, maybe you need to work for the KC star with Sam mellinger who is a complete A** or some other paper. I get on to hear positive things about the Hawks. Please, if you don't have anything good to say about OUR Jayhawks, please don't say anything at all.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

So, what exactly impressed you about this hire?

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

Leavitt to KU as DC, Weis head coach, Grunhard as Offensive line coordinator, and Crist as QB????!!!!

NO ONE could argue that group being the best KU could get.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Nice outlook. It has a dreamy, kind of Zen-like quality. Perhaps more like a stoned quality.

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

So you're the new "Debbie Downer" of the website. Oh great, we really need another one of those...

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

No, I am just not a mindless follower anymore. I have decided to start using my higher education, critical thinking skill-set which tells me this hire spells disaster. Let me tell you why.

  1. If a name (forget the record for a minute...because when it matters the people who matter won't recall that) like Weiss, which indeed is a big name, fails at KU then the die will be cast. If Weiss can't make it at KU, nobody can. So, the name, the name without the college track record ends up backfiring on us.
  2. If in fact Weiss gets high-caliber staff he must be able to build the staff into a team. The requisite people-skills, combined with his arrogance will not work toward that end. He said it himself, he has burned bridges. His personality does not lend himself to this element of the job.
  3. His short track record does not exactly make recruiting easier. Only if we have an independent long-term agreement with our interim staff can this possibly work in our favor. Otherwise, track record will be hard to ignore. You know our competitors will use words like "stability", "tenure", and so forth.
    So, stuff the cheer leading and don't check your brain at the door if you want to be relevant.

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Brilliant stuff. Excuse me, the planet earth is calling...

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Can some of you at least hold on until you see who he brings in for OC & DC? Just spouting quotes from some pundits & adding in a few pieces of the past that don't look good for Weis doesn't cut it. None of us know for sure how this is going to work out. Let's see how the 5pm conference goes today. I'm cautiously optimistic!

wally913 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Weis should bring josh Mcdaniels with him as OC. and Have Jim L. Dc.

kellerman411 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope that Lawrence grows on Charlie Weis and he is here for a long time. It's been proven that you can win at KU and we control our own destiny every year. If we win out, we go to the national title. Hopefully coach weis has success and sees no reason to leave at a later time.

Louis Williams 9 years, 10 months ago

Terrible, dude is not a college coach...and if you can't win at ND, you certainly can't win at KU. Waste of time and money!

Louis Williams 9 years, 10 months ago

Where do I apply for the AD job? Obviously Mr. Zenger is in over his head.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

I for one don't want his job. I want to know what happened or if in fact this was by design and if so, why. I want answers and if he can't or won't supply them then the fan base, not the moneyed few, needs to get upset. We never really got answers as to how Gill got the contract he did. We need to get answers now or we never will as to what the contract looks like, details, and events along the way of the search.

My guess is that the LJW will not have the guts to ask the hard questions.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis will be a state employee. The contract -- every page of it -- will be public.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

True. But much of how this search was conducted will not be public record. There is a personal learning curve for SZ but as a condition of employment I think the University should require a private memo for the record of future administrations of how this occurred, why, how decisions were arrived at, firms used, how the firms where acquired, etc. There needs to be something from TEAM KANSAS to learn from here. Maybe it was the firm used. If Zenger was put in a corner (if as someone mentioned which I really doubt) by having offers rejected time and again and this lead to his decision, someone should know that. When one guy is allowed to do his own thing in utter secrecy there needs to be something that we get out of it to help us next time.

Chuck Stones 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's another reason I think Tom is a little pissy.

I think the dude at was totally instrumental in KState bringing back Snyder instead of Gary Patterson of TCU. This is total speculation on my part, but I thought he orchestrated that by revealing early on that KState was looking at Patterson, forcing him to deny it. Paving the way for Snyder. Which is what he wanted.

I think Tommy is mad that he wasn't able to to the same thing with this hire. He was pushing for people and nobody was listening!!!

Jayhawk1958 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis needs to hire Mark Mangino as OC and Leavitt as DC. I'm sure the big guy would like to get back into coaching.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't think KU is large enough for two massive sized... egos

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

A lot more hissy fits over the hiring of Weiss than the anticipated firing of Gill. Hope people will get over this by the time he makes an appearance at AFH.

I like the hire but I do have a concern about his health. Read his wiki page and it doesn't sound good.

djhawk75 9 years, 10 months ago

Why is Keegan trying so hard to glorify Mangino and Leavitt? Both had a couple of fine moments in their times as head coach at their respective schools, but both fell from grace for crossing that line between being a tough disciplinarian and being a bully. There is a difference between the two, and taking from the press conference this afternoon we can be fairly certain that we will see what that difference is come springtime, when Weis has his first spring semester with the players. I'm looking forward to it.

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