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Friday, December 9, 2011

Name recognition: Jayhawks get big name — Charlie Weis

Charlie Weis, formerly the offensive coordinator at Florida, gets off the Kansas University plane at the Lawrence Airport on Thursday night around 8:30 p.m. Weis has agreed to become the 37th football coach in KU history. KU will hold a press conference to introduce Weis on Friday.

Charlie Weis, formerly the offensive coordinator at Florida, gets off the Kansas University plane at the Lawrence Airport on Thursday night around 8:30 p.m. Weis has agreed to become the 37th football coach in KU history. KU will hold a press conference to introduce Weis on Friday.

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In announcing the hire of Charlie Weis as Kansas University’s newest head football coach Thursday afternoon, KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger steered the program into new territory.

The men hired to lead the Jayhawks during the past couple of decades were virtual unknowns.

When Glen Mason was hired before the 1988 season, he was a mid-major coach on the rise. When it was time to replace him before the 1997 season, the Jayhawks turned to Div. I-AA star Terry Allen.

After Allen was fired in 2001, KU turned to an assistant coach at Oklahoma named Mark Mangino.

And, two years ago, after Mangino resigned under pressure after eight seasons, KU replaced him with Turner Gill, a man known more for his playing days than his coaching résumé.

After all that, KU finally appears to have handed the keys over to a man known simply for being a coach.

“At the end of the day, it was time for the University of Kansas to go out and give its football program its best shot,” Zenger told the Journal-World less than an hour after landing at the Lawrence airport with Weis and a handful of others on board the university plane.

Zenger, in his first year as athletic director at Kansas, said Weis was on his wish list from Day 1. Eleven days, numerous flights and countless hours of conversations later, Zenger struck a deal Thursday to make Weis KU’s 37th head football coach. The 55-year-old Weis officially will be introduced at a news conference at 5 p.m. today, but, in many ways, he’s a man who needs no introduction.

Weis brings to KU 16 years of experience as an NFL assistant coach and five years of experience on the college sidelines. During his time in the NFL, he was an offensive coordinator for nine seasons with three teams and helped lead the New York Giants (1991) and New England Patriots (2002, 2004 and 2005) to world titles.

“I’m surprisingly shocked,” said Jake Sharp, a former KU running back and native of Salina. “I feel like that’s a huge splash. Mr. Zenger got out there and obviously went to work for the university. And with him being a Western Kansas guy, I totally back him on everything he does. I think coach Weis’ credentials are tremendous, and I’m really excited to see what he’s going to do here at the University of Kansas.”

Although his days in the NFL — which included one season as the Kansas City Chiefs’ offensive coordinator in 2010 — are what Weis is best known for, his five-year stint as a college head coach was not without its own accolades. While leading Notre Dame to a 35-27 record in five seasons from 2005-09, Weis twice led the Irish to BCS bowl appearances and earned the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award in 2005 after a 9-3 season.

After being fired by Notre Dame following a disappointing 6-6 season in 2009, Weis joined Todd Haley’s staff in Kansas City and helped lead the Chiefs to the AFC West Division title and a playoff appearance.

He left Kansas City to become the offensive coordinator at the University of Florida, citing a desire to spend more time with his family. His son, Charlie Jr., enrolled at UF and began a job with the football program to learn the ins and outs of the profession. One thing he learned from his dad’s latest move is that the draw of the head coach’s clipboard can be powerful.

Florida head coach Will Muschamp, who guided the Gators to a 6-6 record during his first season after serving as a Mack Brown assistant for three years at Texas, told the Associated Press on Thursday he often sensed Weis wanted another opportunity to lead his own program.

“There aren’t many opportunities you get to be a head coach,” Muschamp said. “I know Charlie. The last one didn’t end the way he wanted it to.”

Muschamp said he and Weis discussed the Kansas opportunity during the past few days

“I asked him, ‘Is this something you’re really interested in doing?’” Muschamp told the AP. “He said, ‘Yeah, I want to talk to ’em. If I wasn’t interested, I would not talk.’ So I said, ‘I support you 100 percent if that’s what you want to do. I think that’s great.’ Now, when guys make parallel moves, I don’t necessarily agree with that. When guys can further their career, I think it’s great.”

Though rumors of Weis as a candidate for the Kansas job popped up Wednesday, many people still viewed it as a long shot. Since 1990, KU has recorded just seven winning seasons, and Mangino’s 50-48 record from 2002-09 made him the first KU coach to finish his career above .500 since Jack Mitchell went 44-42-5 from 1958-66.

Asked how he was able to attract a coach with Weis’ credentials to a program like Kansas, Zenger referred to the concept that kicked the search off in the first place: Weis and Kansas simply seemed to be the right fit for each other.

“It was mutual,” Zenger said. “For him and for us, the stars aligned.”

Details of Weis’ contract with KU were not available Thursday night. After being fired by Notre Dame, six years before his extended contract was set to expire, Weis received a termination payment of $6.6 million. He is expected to continue receiving compensation from the school through the 2015 season.

Weis and his wife, Maura, have two children, Charlie Jr., and Hannah. Hannah, who turned 16 earlier this year, is afflicted with a rare seizure disorder that has affected her development. She’ll have special needs for life. Weis and his wife started a non-profit organization called Hannah and Friends, designed to help children and adults with special needs.

Weis is not without his own physical ailments. During the past few years, he tore ligaments in his left knee and broke his right knee when he was taken out on the sideline during a Notre Dame game in 2008. He had his right knee replaced after the 2008 season.

Weis’ arrival at KU has fans and alumni buzzing over the potential of this long-dormant football program that constantly operates in the shadows of the ultra-successful men’s basketball program on campus.

Two former Jayhawks now playing in the NFL said Thursday night that they were impressed by KU’s hiring of Weis.

“It’s a new coach, it’s a new opportunity, and there’s always hope,” San Diego Chargers safety Darrell Stuckey said. “I’m forever a Jayhawk, so I’m always going to believe in the Jayhawks. I think it’s obviously going to excite the fans. He’s definitely a guy that’s known, and I think he’s a guy that has something to prove.”

Added Denver Broncos cornerback Chris Harris: “If I was a player there, I’d be very excited. He’s definitely going to bring in some players. Seeing KU do well is important to all the former players because we still follow the team and we want them to do well. I definitely feel like Charlie Weis can be the guy to get the job done. He’s had experience at the top programs and I think he can definitely come in and get us back on track.”

Comments

texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

I have major doubts about his head coaching abilities, but he is a name that will pique the interest of the casual fan because of his credentials and that could very well make his hire worth more than his on-field record in the long term for getting KU football to a better place. I guess now we just have to wait and see if he retains Beaty and Mitchell and who he brings in as coordinators and position coaches to see how much he understands how to be successful in the Big 12 and with the current personnel KU has.

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

What he did with the Chiefs last year was no luck, but pure coaching. What he learned at ND, he will be a better coach at KU. Great hire!

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/08/3309995/chiefs-offense-hasnt-been-same.html

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

I like even better what he did in New England. Major weakness...recruiting. He struggled at ND with his recruits.

hawk316 9 years, 10 months ago

Apparently not known as one who enjoys recruiting, Weis's success at KU will depend heavily on his choices for staff. His assistants must be excellent recruiters (think Reggie Mitchell, et al). No matter how great a coach one might be, he has to have the talent on the field in order to be successful.

squawkhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm hearing that there is a better than 50% chance that he'll be bringing Bill Snyder to KU as his OC. That would be great!

TheDonnieBoyRPh73 9 years, 10 months ago

Didn't see this coming. Good offensive minded coach, like the "Fatman". I hope he can recruite and hire a good DC! I like it.

Jeremy Bolinger 9 years, 10 months ago

Hope he can recruit? He attracted several very talented QBs to ND. The biggest worry is his Coaching.

BillSelf4Prez 9 years, 10 months ago

not to mention, one is possibly transferring here to lawrence. better than awful webb

gardenjay 9 years, 10 months ago

Are you kidding me? We get a name-brand coach who fits so well with our campus, which is all about coming back from adversity?

I cannot believe how LUCKY we are to land this guy!!!!!(!(&#(*&(@#

Enough of basketball already - bring on the F-ball recruiting articles and all the frilly tidbits of the Weis family move to Lawrence. There should be a triumph parade down Jayhawk Blvd just for getting this far..........can't wait until Spring ball, and hope he brings some players with him; why not? Bring 'em from the NFL if they have eligibility.

Here is a joyous statement which I had to encode to express how over-the-top I feel: Un_(&(@#$&)(#@!)_believable!!!! ))(#@$)#@$&#@$(@!!!!

JakeBarnes 9 years, 10 months ago

I second this quote: "Are you kidding me? We get a name-brand coach who fits so well with our campus." Charlie knows how to lose, and he is a good assistant coach. Nothing like carrying on a long standing tradition.

hdotk 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss has 35-27 at Notre Dame. There was a 3-9 and 6-6 season towards the end of that as well. He's a big name because of his Patriot's ties, I doubt his coaching ability.

Joe Joseph 9 years, 10 months ago

You don't become the coach at Kansas if no one doubts your ability to coach...

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

20 of those losses were 7 pts or less.

selfishhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Initially, this appears like a good, not great, hire, which is what we should expect. It could turn into a giant turd sandwich, but right now I am really optimistic. I liked Weis when he was at Notre Dame, a school with an alumni base who still thinks it is 1987. They probably chased him off too quickly. What we have to hope is that Coach Weis has a giant chip on his shoulder from that experience. Like Muschamp said "Charlie didn't want that to be his legacy." He's got a name, he's motivated and hopefully we can give him the support he needs to be successful. Plus, he's not tone deaf like the last coach, who is probably curled in a ball in his bed repeating "Believe!" over and over. Or maybe he still thinks we're improving.

MDHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

While I respect Turner Gill as a person, I couldn't help but laugh at that last little bit...

Justin Anderson 9 years, 10 months ago

35- 27 would make him Kansas' Highest win percentage ever as Head coach. Bring on 35 and 27.(he would have gone to a 4th bowl but ND refused to accept any offers that year so they coudl fire him.

texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

There's a huge difference between being a great head coach and a great offensive coordinator. Weis is a great offensive coordinator and he's shown that time and again wherever he's been, but he was less than impressive at Notre Dame once that program was mostly his players which supports the claims that he and his staff were not very good recruiters.

David Lara 9 years, 10 months ago

You may be right about the diff btw HC and OC at the pro level, but not in college. Great coordinators in the league seldom make poor HCs in college. And who would we get that doesn't have any question marks??? No one. We are Kansas.

The odd thing is his path. How do you go from being an OC in the pros to OC in college? With Muschamp talking about no lateral moves, Weiss's wasn't even lateral. That never made much sense to me. But we are in place to reap the reward. The sad part is that he will be gone as soon as he reaches some success. Thats one thing I liked about TG.

He has to get the d in line though. Good offenses are a dime a dozen (or a dime a dime as it were) in The big xii and the only thing thats going to set us apart from the get go is the d. Time to take the Kansas juco whirlwind tour Charlie!

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow. In shock. Four NFL championship rings. He's coached in five super bowls. Head coach of a New Jersey championship high school team. Connections on all sides of the US. A short stint as a defensive coach in the NFL. Total of five years BCS head coaching experience. Head coach of two BCS bowls in 5 years. Outrecruited by Florida in his final two years at ND, he openly admitted, but what he didnt openly talk about is ND has pretty tough academic standards----------Screw the analysis of ND's admissions policies, Holy #%}%#!!!! We just stole the offensive coordinator of the Florida Gators? The Kansas Jayhawks, that's right, the Kansas Jayhawks, have a real coach that QB's wanna play for! Does Bob Stoops' resume look like this? Or Mack Brown's? We have a head coach with Four super bowl rings! Four!

As a side, I attended the Oregon-UCLA PAC 12 championship game in Eugene. Sat on the seventh row right next to the field, looking over the corner of the endzone. Quite an atmosphere, reminiscent of how things were at Memorial Stadium with Reesing. One huge thing I noticed was the pit feel of the stadium. The fans totally circled the field, UCLA players couldn't escape the noise. The accoustics were wonderful, much like Allen Fieldhouse, but not nearly as perfect. But still really solid for an outdoor venue.

If Zenger and our boosters are serious about this, and it appears they are, it is a pretty simple process to lower the field, add seats and get rid of the track. All you need is a couple Excavaters and a plan. Charlie Weis-Tom Brady Field could be ready for kickoff in August 2012. It would be completely worth it.

It's time to get serious on this. Also the practice field needs to be surrounded with either concrete blocks or thick canvas on the metal fence. We have the big boys on staff now, the Patriots certainly didn't win their championships with Weis running his playbook at a local park.

Nice, albeit completely shocking, home run Zenger!

funkitect 9 years, 10 months ago

While I agree with lowering the field, it's not quite as cut and dry as you make it out to be. From a layman's eyes it may seem pretty simple, but carting all that excavated material is rarely cheap. And, if any of that material happens to be rock, those costs just went up exponentially.

Plus, you have to account for the costs of putting in a new track somewhere. I know the KU brass has been tossing this idea around for a while (didn't I see plans for an "olympic village" somewhere near Naismith a long while back?). But the logistics of it are pretty complicated.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree. That is just the tip of the iceberg. When you lower the field, you are effectively building a gigantic pool that constantly needs to be drained, not only because of rain/snow but also due to potential intrusion of underground water. The cost of ongoing maintenance would be huge. There is a reason that "pits" are more applicable to domed arenas built on high ground rather than at the bottom of a hill. The cost of removing and rebuilding the end zone stands would also be ridiculously high. Most major college stadiums have between 30' and 50' between the edge of the field and the stands. KU is around 50' so not much would be gained on the sides. If the track bothers some people so much, you can always cover the track with astroturf on game days.

An alternative might be raising the stands (yes, it can be done)

In the end, it might likely be cheaper to just tear down the stadium and rebuild it.

But before we even talk about doing any of this, let's wait until we have a team that wins and sells out the current stadium on a regular basis.

gardenjay 9 years, 10 months ago

The gradient should be sufficient to drain all the wahoo groundwater or other precipitation down to 9th street even if the stadium is lowered 30 feet, using free gravity. Hooray!!

I only have one more thing to say about this idea - we might want to line Potter Lake with plastique.

Anyways, Jayhawks are supposed to gravitate towards mining bedrock, so I say Rock Chalk Baby!! Leave some rock chalk seats, and build some walls around the practive fields.

University of Michigan has an outdoor monster - and no problems with drainage, fits over 100,000.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

I stand corrected. Somehow I imagined all the fans out there with shovels and it would take a week. You're right, that's too much money.

My only question is, didn't the Washington Huskies lower their field? Last Husky game I went to about 3 or 4 years ago the fans had the same problem we have currently. Huge track separating the intimating experience from the visiting team they should experience. Sure enough Arizona came back and shocked the Huskies in the last minute. Put the UW fans in the last 2 minutes in the Oregon stadium with pit-surrounded fans, they wouldn't have allowed the Arizona Wildcats to hear their calls well enough to run good offense in the last minute.

Is it true that UW removed their track recently? If so it would be nice to know the cost. Would completely bring our fans back into the game. I can't tell you how enjoyable the Duck game was in person. Yes they've built a program. But what that pit feel does for them gives their fired up crowd twice as much power and continuity.

RCJ

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

I stand corrected. Somehow I imagined all the fans out there with shovels and it would take a week. You're right, that's too much money.

My only question is, didn't the Washington Huskies lower their field? Last Husky game I went to about 3 or 4 years ago the fans had the same problem we have currently. Huge track separating the intimating experience from the visiting team they should experience. Sure enough Arizona came back and shocked the Huskies in the last minute. Put the UW fans in the last 2 minutes in the Oregon stadium with pit-surrounded fans, they wouldn't have allowed the Arizona Wildcats to hear their calls well enough to run good offense in the last minute.

Is it true that UW removed their track recently? If so it would be nice to know the cost. Would completely bring our fans back into the game. I can't tell you how enjoyable the Duck game was in person. Yes they've built a program. But what that pit feel does for them gives their fired up crowd twice as much power and continuity.

RCJ

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

Checked into what it cost others to get rid of their tracks and you're looking at a minimum of $50 million. Some went as high as $200 million!

Aaron Landis 9 years, 10 months ago

Convincing case. Maybe you should coach.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Believe me you don't want me coaching. An alien would do a better job than me. Weis has 4 superbowl rings, 2 BCS bowls, the nationally 2nd best recruiting class, the 8th, the 11th and the 23rd in his five years as a BCS coach. He's also been a defensive coach in the NFL, a running back coach in the NFL, as well as a QB coach and offensive coordinator. Also as a head coach he's even won a state championship. In New Jersey. I eat spicy tater tots all day, I most certainly don't coach football.

RCJ

741hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Tear out the Track! It simply has to be done. Washington's stadium renovation leaves KU and Duke Football with the only BCS stadiums with tracks inside them.

And by the way, while we are at it, tear down the horseshoe and rebuild stands across the end zone.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

"Washington's stadium renovation leaves KU and Duke Football with the only BCS stadiums with tracks inside them."


So what?

JakeBarnes 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't you think they ought to win a couple of games before going Ape and spending that kind of money?

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

The benefit from removing the track and lowering the field doesn't even come close to matching the cost/expense required to do it.

As already noted, it's not a simple process to just excavate a field, and it can get quite expensive. There is also the expense of putting a track (really, a full track/field setup) in place somewhere else on campus (also noted already).

Then you have the wasted money from having redone the playing field surface within the last 5 years--excavating the field would mean that needs to be redone again.

There is also the maintenance that was mentioned--water tends to fill pits/holes/etc. that fall below the water table, and I'm guessing that would be the case for the field, given that it currently sits in a valley. The costs related to this component are a constant problem, as there isn't a "fix" that could be applied. Just routine upkeep.

Really, if we are hell-bent on removing the track, the best solution is to just tear down Memorial Stadium and build a completely new stadium. We either need to learn to accept the track and not worry so much about what "everyone else" does, or we need to replace it the right way--not this piecemeal modification approach.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Sump pump. My wife and I put one in our basement. Works great. Need a good engineering firm for this obviously to see if it's feasible at Memorial. As for the rocks below the surface of the stadium, controlled sticks of dynamite gets 'em everytime, it's why we all moved west 160 years ago, dynamite and gold. In my estimation if the lowering of the field runs $100 million, that's 5X (or more?) less than it costs to build a state of the art facility. To me this is a huge thing and will reap huge rewards down the road, especially if the project is done in the offseason, whereas a new stadium could take 2 or 3 years to build. In the end the difference from a viewers standpoint of a pit, and a players' standpoint, is night and day.

Charlie Weis Field --- it's dynamite baby.

rawkhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I also love this hire by Zenger and love the idea of lowering the field. I'm excited about the new enthusiasm for KU football. Charlie Weis seems like a good fit.

PS--be sure to drink some McMenamins beer when you're in Oregon. I had a delicious Hammerhead Ale at a place called "Bagdad" in Portland. Awesome cajun-spiced tater tots as well! Perhaps Jaybate knows of this beer and even of the tater tots. Rock Chalk!

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Rawkchalk, I don't know about Jaybate, but personally you can't beat the spicy tater tots at the McMennamins Bagdad unless Free State has come up with something recently. Any lineman trying to put on some pounds needs to try them. Personally when I eat them they make me feel strong enough to stand up and walk out of the restaurant. Can't imagine what they could do for a lineman.

KU_Alumn_2000 9 years, 10 months ago

Ahperse - dude where are ya ? Are you gonna support this hire ? Hope you do because we don't want to see you bitch about him after every single football article over the next 4 years.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

Woke up quick About noon Just thought that I had to be in Compton soon

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

We'll see. I'm cautiously excited, but we'll see. He can barely walk so I don't know how that will help him with the grueling recruiting trail. Or maybe his name is enough and his assistants can get it done. His Notre Dame teams were good early with the players he inherited and then went down hill with his own guys. But, that was a while ago and he's learned a lot, so we'll see.

Ashwin Rao 9 years, 10 months ago

Ahperse, are you going to change your name now? :) Or will you wait until the news conference of the first game next year to create a new one?

Kevin Studer 9 years, 10 months ago

If nothing else, this is a hire that will draw major interest to the program (not to mention recruits) as well as raise the aura of the program around the country and league. Be happy, Jayhawk fans. We just went from Turner Gill to Charlie Weis. Major upgrade.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

It's really interesting to see the wide range of emotions here.

I'm personally underwhelmed. But it should be an improvement from what we had. As far as baseball analogies go - I'm calling this a ground rule double.

When I look at the above picture, I just keep hearing " It's not easy bein' me".....

seewillie 9 years, 10 months ago

Why in the hell did they put a picture of Bill Parcells up there? Weiss is way fatter.

oldrocker 9 years, 10 months ago

Exactly! He was 6-6 the year he was fired at ND...after 3-9 and 2-10 seasons, 6-6 sounds pretty darn good.

Welcome to Lawrence, coach Weiss!

dylans 9 years, 10 months ago

Not to mention 2 BCS games. If Mangino had gone to 2 BCS games he would have had a lifetime contract.

BillSelf4Prez 9 years, 10 months ago

most of those wins came in the first two seasons when he was playing with the guy before hims players.

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

To all the posts about weight; way to keep it classy.

Welcome to KU Coach!

RCJHGKU

KanGran 9 years, 10 months ago

+1,000. Like we are all so perfect!!!! Welcome to KU Coach Weis!!!!!

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

Says the fat guy! Did you start crying when you saw the My coach can eat your coach t-shirts? Better call the police for discrimination! That was also a joke, is better be more classy. Let it go... this is like pointing out or comparing one with blue eyes to another. As in: it is what it is.

Sure seemed like a joke to me. Also, if we got a bald guy I'm sure there would be jokes, just like if we got a 65 yr old Fullmer there would be "old man" jokes.

Foopaman

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

Says the 12 year old.

You're right, my bad. I just love all the jokes about blue eyed people.

Like someone below said, if its something you wouldnt say to someones face then maybe you shouldnt post it. (i.e. would you welcome a new co-worker who was overweight with fat jokes?)

KanGran 9 years, 10 months ago

Well said. And my reply to CaliHawk is; I am not fat and I am not a guy!!!! I am just tired of verbal bullies like you. I thought RockChalk fans had more class than you are showing. You sound more like you are from Texas A & M. Talk about no class.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Of all the choices available....this is what happens when you hire a tier 3 athletic director and have a hapless search committee to steer a fractured program back to what only one can hope to be a level of mediocrity some day.

Charlie Weis was arguably the biggest bust in Notre Dame history..and when you factor in the likes of Gerry Faust, that's saying a lot. At his "own" alma mater, Weis alienated fans and boosters, with his arrogance "hey kid, get off my lawn" approach to public relations, and then an absolute mess of an offensive scheme.

Then, if that wasn't enough, the brain trust responsible for this hire, didn't bother to lookk at the abominal record this year at Florida. Per the Gainesville Sun, and I quote, "His offense this year was statistically one of the worst in the SEC and the worst Gator offense since 1988."

The Gator nation thanks you for this hire and owes Kansas a debt of gratitude.

Once again, Kansas has done the unthinkable...bring a guy from the opposite side of the globe, with no recruiting ties or for that matter, no proven track record at all in the college coaching ranks, and the only proof there is has but a failure.

IF nothing else, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the Jayhawk brain trust clearly has no idea regarding the current landscape of college football, realignment, recruiting, facilities, and what it takes to begin the process of getting out of the basement of the Big 12 Conference.

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

mustlehustle (cross eyed Chuck) = Lew Perkins.

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

+1 I actually agree with musclehustle. Charlie Weis is a big name... but that is it. He has never been successful out of the shadow of other great coaches. Notre Dame was a nightmare of under performance. They had top 10 recruiting classes which translated to no significant wins, even though they got to hand pick their schedule. And he cant even take the credit completely for the recruiting classes, Notre Dame's name gets you in the door automatically its the head coaches job not to screw it up from there.

His offensive genius produced the #109th ranked offense last year. And what I love is that he left KC to be with his family... for a year. LOL There isn't a loyal bone in Charlie Weis' body. He will always be looking for the bigger better deal. So say we do well, by our third or fourth season we have a winning record ( huge if ) Charlie will jump ship for the first big name university (or NFL team) that comes calling. His last two jobs have been for a year only and on both he was looking before the end of the season.

I really had a lot of hope for this hire, but I really think SZ dropped the ball on this and went for Quantity not Quality... pun intended. What a huge letdown!

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

So hiring any coordinator would have been unacceptable to you because they were hiding in the shadows of the successful head coach?

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

Did you even read what I wrote? I have no problem with coordinators, every great coach starts somewhere. My problem is with Weis. So actually read what I wrote then think of something intelligent to say in response.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I did. My problem with your post is that you say Weis is nothing but a big name and has hidden behind great coaches. That's just wrong. Super Bowls and BCS bowl appearances can be attributed directly to his offensive coaching. Too much weight is being put on his HC stint at ND.

The guy left KC cause he didn't get along with Todd Haley and wanted to be with his family. He is itching to be a HC again, and prove himself and he chose to come to Kansas to do that. Support the guy. Look at our history of hiring head coaches. This is a really good hire especially if he can get the right coordinators in here.

Based on your logic, we better not hire anyone great or they may leave us in 3 or 4 years. Who else will stay here for a really long time, maybe.... Doeren. Is that what you were advocating? You piss and moan about it being a let down. Who was KU supposed to hire?! Go ahead, step in Zenger's shoes and make a better hire.

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

+1. However, I will fall in line and support HCCW. Further, as far as I'm concerned, SZ is the one who should be on the hot seat if things dont turn around as expected.

RCJHGKU!!!

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

Good morning sunshine! Perhaps you want to get out of your cave & see the sun rise with your eyes open. It's a great day for KU! Don't get lost in human mistakes of yesteryears. Trust in our abilities to grow & learn from past experience & move forward. Look ahead mustlehustle!

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

Not being sarcastic or petty at all when I ask who you would have chosen. Just curious. I'm on the fence on this hire, but all I heard for weeks on end was bring in a name that excites the fan base, and this seems to have done that. So I'm willing to be patient. Who would you have rather hired?

Justin Anderson 9 years, 10 months ago

HAHAHA, Notre Dame has had 2 ten win seasons in th last 25 years, one was at the hands of Weis. Have fun in the SEC Slaver.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

And clearly YOU do have an idea regarding the current landscape, right?

F*** off loser.

Robert Brock 9 years, 10 months ago

Let's get realistic. This is KU, a program with no proven success and one in a horrid state, making this job one of the most difficult sells in the country. To reel in a name like Weis is impressive - risky, but impressive and I like the cajones shown by SZ.

Despite the talk of recruiting concerns, KU should be able to get interest from recruits that we formerly wouldn't even get a shot at. The worst case scenario here is he leaves after a few years for another program, yet improves the talent on the roster, improves the KU brand, ignites the fan base a bit, and gets the ship at least pointed in the right direction.

pjseele 9 years, 10 months ago

I think it's a great hire with nothing to lose and no way to go but up! BUT you all have to give him time and not run him off in 2yrs. Support him or he will jump ship!!

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

He will jump ship no matter what! Look at his history, three jobs in three years. He doesnt know the meaning of the word loyal.

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

"Tait-Nice work this last 11 days. This article was fantastic and everyday I am reminded why you should be the editor here and Keegs should find a cardboard box and join the Occupy movement."

A+ post.

rockemchalkemrobots 9 years, 10 months ago

This seems like the safe play of the remaining obvious candidates. Low risk, low reward. If Weis leaves after 3 seasons, few will call for Zenger's job because of it. Instead of trying to find a diamond in the rough, he got the biggest CZ he could find. Oh well, the floor is 4 wins, the ceiling is 8. Hope we trend toward the ceiling.

milehighhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Strange but True: If you read between the lines of Stuckey's quote, it actually sounds like he is Not Excited by the hire.

John Mueller 9 years, 10 months ago

I think it is a great hire and an exciting day for Kansas football!

If Coach Weiss can build a staff capable of developing our players into NFL prospects, we can win at Kansas.

We need 4 things: 1. Great University, check 2. Great coaching staff capable of recruiting and developing players for future enshrinement in Canton, he needs to build his staff, but lets say check 3. Players, if number 2 is a given then the only thing missing is the student and alumni support to attract talent, which leads me to number 4 4. Environment - We need to turn Memorial Stadium into Allen Fieldhouse. We have the absolute best college basketball venue in the nation, bar none. We need to build the same thing at Memorial stadium. When a recruit comes into Allen Fieldhouse, they sign, when a kid comes into Memorial stadium, they nap.

It is time for every Jayhawk to buy their tickets, plan their tailgate and build their falls around KU home games. We do have a responsibility here to help build this thing.

What in the world does OU have on Kansas football? TRADITION and EXPECTATIONS. That's it.

Norman, OK is a pit. We have a better University, a more beautiful campus, a cooler town, we have a better coach (Bob Stoops doesn't know Tom Brady or Giselle!!)

But, what we are missing is Bud Wilkinson.

Well, we just hired him.

We have some tradition, Sayers and Riggins aren't a bad start, but the future of Kansas football is NOW.

This is our time.

Support Kansas Football with your checkbook, your attendance, your passion and your noise.

If we can turn Memorial Stadium into Allen Fieldhouse, we can leave mediocrity behind forever.

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

GO, FIGHT, WIN KANSAS!!!!

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

Succeeding at kansas is not easy for any football coach, and no one hire would possibly guarantee it. We needed someone who can immediately do 2 things.

  1. bring in the talent. there is no doubt that with his pedigree he will be able to bring players to Lawrence that other possible hires just wouldn't have the credibility with the kids to get.

  2. a name that will excite the fan base. this is a homerun here. is he the greatest coach in the world, i don't know, probably not, but he is a name that everyone knows, absolutely.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Well he has coached in 5 superbowls. He's won 4 superbowl rings. Perhaps we should get a quote from Tom Brady, his line and runningbacks on if he's a good coach. On college as a head coach, 40% of his teams have played in a BCS game. The ND years deserve some scrutiny, but I think he addressed that pretty head-on, saying he lost in recruiting to Florida. What wasn't discussed is ND's admission standards compared to Florida. Zenger just stole Florida's offensive coordinator. I'll take it!

doctorWho 9 years, 10 months ago

In short, this hire was about, and rightly so, damage control.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

People that don't think he can coach need to look at the Patriots since he has left. They haven't won a playoff game. The Chiefs have been offensively challenged this year after putting up good numbers the year before.

Sure his track record shows better to the pros, he did however have good seasons at ND (want to say it was other guys players, than Gill lost with Mangino's, it goes both ways). Give the guy some time to bring in guys that can play in his system.

I am sure he has learned from his mistakes and will be better for that.

To say his offense at Florida was terrible this past year, you have to remember he was coaching for a "defense first" guy. They don't want the offense to get headlines or be flashy, they want them to control the clock and play field position. Example Bo Pelini at Nebraska, do you think Tim Beck forgot how to run a high powered offense after he left Kansas?

First choice? No. But I am happy with it, one of the best ones we could have gotten, and you can't judge him this November. Come late August 2012, game one, sure a little bit. Next November after Thanksgiving weekend, sure we can judge how he was as coach after one season at the University of Kansas and talk about what's to come from him.

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

The Patriots went 18-1 without him...just saying. They won playoff games.

Beate Williams 9 years, 10 months ago

I think this was a terrible hire. Other than what he did on a high school level he has not demonstrated he is a good coach or recruiter. He went to two bowl games at ND as a result of the recruits that Willingham had recruited. When they left he was mediocre at best, I think the first season after the 2nd bowl he went 3-9 or something similar. Was never over .500 again. I think we could have done much better but time will tell. This is very disappointing when you think about all of the coaches that are out there who are ready to move and have proven they can coach and recruit. Vamos a ver.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

"Was never over .500 again."

Under Weis, ND was 7-6 the year after they went 3-9.

Ervin O'Neal 9 years, 10 months ago

"He went to two bowl games at ND as a result of the recruits that Willingham had recruited."

Weiss had four full years of recruiting at ND starting with the class of '06. His recruiting classes were ranked #8, #8, #1 and #20. Willingham did not have a Top 10 recruiting class in the 3-4 years leading up to Weiss.

His team in 2007 went 3-9 with only 8 returning starters (12 starters from 2006 signed NFL contracts). Several coaching changes were made as well. I'm not saying that these reasons explain why some of the losses for ND were to unranked teams, but it would not be the first time that a team suddenly had a downslide when the new regime or new QB didn't live up to expectations.

Kevin Crook 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, he's got a lot to prove. I thought is we needed some ultra hungry high energy coordinator from a successful program. I wouldn't call Mr. Weis high energy. He's going to need to assemble a nasty staff with deep recruiting ties to Texas. Wouldn't hurt to bring his buddy Romeo over from the Chiefs as the DC. I'm dubious of this hire, but I am pulling for him!

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Where are all the posters this morning or should I say "im-posters" that were demanding that Kansas hire a "defensive-minded" coach? Where are the posters this morning that were throwing the names of the hottest coaching talent around and assured and speaking like they would surely consider the Kansas position?

There is a reason that Texas said thanks/no thanks when Charlie Weis was trying to get out of Kansas City. There is a reason that at Notre Dame, with rich football tradition and a pipeline of every Jesuit high school in the country, they ran Charlie Weis out of town. He was inept in the locker room., his players quit playing for him, was inept in the family room of recruits, and most of all, became intolerable to the Irish Nation.

In one short season at Florida, he's managed to produce the "worst offensive stats in Florida football since 1988.) Much like the cup of coffee he stayed long enough for with the Chiefs....his days were numbered and the Gator Nation wasn't going to stand for it.

Let's see...Kansas with this hire, didn't address the need of a defensive minded coach (by the majority of posters here) certainly didn't address bringing someone in with any recruiting ties or relationship in either Texas, California or Florida, to a Kansas Football program that may possibly be at its all-time low in every category.

Kansas needed a quick-fix that would be a player's coach and someone that has a well-developed pipeline of recruiting and relationships in Texas. Their solution, bring in a failed college football coach, with absolutely zero recruiting ties to the Big 12 territory, and if that wasn't enough, an abrasive and divisive personality. He couldn't win the recruiting pipeline to his "own" alma mater at Notre Dame, and with the talent pool at Florida, managed to produce the worst offensive output the school has seen in over 20 years.

The reason Charlie Weis was available is no other school, regardless of the divsion, would have considered hiring him. This is what Mike Tyson referred to as "reaching into oblivia" and seeing what possibly could trump the Turner Gill hire. This isn't a "find" this isn't a stroke of brilliance...this hire simply weakened an already staggered Jayhawk Football Nation.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Way to support your school and team. We lost out on Leach and Fedora, still needed a coach with a name and head coaching experience and that is exactly what we got. Now get behind your school and team.

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

LOL what a joke of a comment! Just because his opinion is different than yours doesnt imply a lack of support for the school. The quite opposite actually. We support our university and team so much that we have strong opinions about the decisions and directions our program is taking. I do not have a lack of support, but I can not show blind faith in a coach that has a proven track record of incompetence just because he has a big name. So maybe you should think twice before you go around making statements like "way to support your school and team" I do support my university and teams... All of them. I will be a Jayhawk till I die, but a bad hire is a bad hire.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

A bad hire? Dont you think you might want to wait for a couple years before you start the" fire Charlie Wies" bandwagon? It remains to be seen if its a bad hire, sure is a better hire than Turner Gill was. The joke is you think you know enough about coaching football to call this a "bad hire".

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

Having a "strong opinion" about a decision before seeing any results is just asinine.

I'd say getting super negative about a hire who has shown some past instances of success is akin to a lack of support for the school.

What I don't understand is why it's so hard for people to take a "wait and see" approach. Everyone has to have a "strong opinion" the moment a decision is made.

A "strong opinion" formed without a supporting foundation is nothing more than hot air.

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

Mike Tyson was actually referring to his own impending retirement, when he was quoted as saying that he will "probably fade into Bolivia".

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

And who was your choice of hire? Leach? Malzahn? Chryst? Zook? Fulmer? Mangino part II?

You throw this one under the bus, say you are a huge fan, but can't support anyone, be it the AD or the coach. But who do you pick? And with a name give reasons not just throw out a name.

All coaches that were considered, Fedora, Malzahn all had their downsides. Only a coordinator. Small time school. and so on.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Try and keep up with the postings here. Those that participate here know very well the formula that I posed to be a quick fix, and provide a coaching tree, and perpetuation to Kansas football. You were only going to get a coordinator, but much like many schools, you hire a coordinator who's stock is way up, who comes from solid recruiting ties in the largest State in the Big 12 Conference and who is a player's coach. The hiring of Weis doesn't even get the water hot in any of those categories.

Better yet, try and keep up with the coaching career Kansas' newest and soon to be latest coaching hire. This guy was exposed as being nothing but a "bag man" for the brilliance that is Bill Belechick. He went to his "dream job at his alma mater, with all of the national Jesuit high school recruiting, exclusive TV contract, rabid fan base, and within a couple of years time, was run out of town.

When the Patriots minor league that is the Kansas City Chiefs, brought Weis in..much like his stint at Notre Dame, he alienated himself from other coaches, players and the media. He ran back to the pro ranks, never to return to college coaching. He didn't like dealing with recruits, he didn't have the patience to develop and teach young players, and thought he was above the Irish fan base when they questioned his lack of performance.So he ran back to the NFL...only to get washed-out of Kansas City.

He had one last lifeline thrown to him at Florida and oh by the way just turned in the worst offensive production the school has seen since 1988.

Ever since the first game of the year I have been providing years of insight to the recruiting, political and business that is the Big 12 conference.

NEVER did I think any of the names you mentioned were coming to arguably the worst coaching job in Divsion 1. A "Coordinator" with solid relaltionships in Texas high school. I not only named who I thought was affordable, trending up, solid recruiting relationship, a player's coach and oh by the way, in one short year has orchestrated an offense that led Clemson to its first ACC Championship in forever.

The other name I thought was a solid choice was Coach Todd Graham...particularly if he brought Todd Dodge with him from Pitt. All three of those names have relationships in the high schools of Texas, dating back 20 years.

As respects the A.D. he should have never been hired...for the job that was needing to be done, he clearly didn't bring any large program experience, much less football Its not his fault, he won the lottery being plucked by a keystone cop of a search committee out of the obscure football conference that is the Missouri Valley, from one of their more irrelevant programs at Illinois State.

Oh sure....Kansas hired a "name." for their football coach. Unfortunately a name that has become tarnished and irrelevant and did nothing to address the immediate and urgent needs of Kansas football.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

What recruiting ties to Texas did Mark Mangino have before he was at KU? A few years at KSU and OU. But he was an Ohio boy and couldn't bring anyone from Ohio to Kansas.

A.D.'s have egos, and big name A.D's aren't coming to KU to play second fiddle to Bill Self. How many big name's in the A.D. department to you know from Duke or UNC? Plus SZ had ties to KU, since ties are such a big deal, then doesn't that make sense?

Chad Morris has only been in college football since 2009 as an offensive coordinator. He was a high school football coach in Texas before that. You are basing his history of coaching HS football in Texas with recruiting ties, has he recruited any big time Texas High schoolers to Clemson?? Plus he was beat by in state rival South Carolina 34-13, great power offense there.

Todd Graham, was 6-6 at Pittsburgh this year. He spent only one year at Rice and left as soon as Tulsa came calling him. Then he ran off for money after only 4 years there. He has no stability and he couldn't win in the Big East, how would he win in the Big12??

See you can find problems with all coaches, it's not that hard to do.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

thank you for illustrating my point, and all that implies. Kansas had every opportunity to hire one of the top assistant A.D.'s from one of the top programs in the Big 12, an individual that has sat at the table during the realignment, television contracts, big expansion of already a large facility. The names above are trending way up in the coaching ranks, to the point, Clemson gave Morris a substantial bump in salary, in hopes to get another season from him. Here's the elements of hiring for a job like Kansas....when your program isn't worthy of attracting the caliber of "Head Coach" or "Athletic Director" necessary to turn a beleaguered program around, you "hire" an assistant from one of the top programs. If you're really smart, you hire from your own territory, so that recruiting can immediately begin its process. "If you're going to beat the best...you have to hire the best." Todd Graham was 6-6 at a rust belt school like Pitt that becomes increasingly more difficult to attract athletes to each year?

Its not by accident that Charlie Weis couldn't get a job anywhere in college football as a head coach...with the exception of Kansas.

How many coaches and years do you estimate Kansas football is away from a 6-6 year! You're not recruiting Texas kids to the east coast for the most part, that is why the "coaching" talent of these guys mentioned, back in their home territory, would have been a windfall for the Kansas football program.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

How does high school success equal college success?

Texas has big time high school football, cause all the kids want to play football. The only schools that can "recruit" in Texas are the private schools. So you as a coach already have great talent walking through the locker room door every year, makes one job a lot easier.

Pittsburgh is getting hard to recruit to? Lesean Mecoy ring a bell? Plus they went to three strait bowl games the past 3 years. were 2 and 3 under Wannstedt in those bowl games. 2010 they won the Big east going 8 and 5. Now they are 6 and 6 with this top guy. Doesn't add up.

Weiss might not have a lot of ties to Texas, but he has a name that can get him into anyones living room across the country. Let's face it with a "when your program isn't worthy of attracting the caliber of "Head Coach"" you aren't going to get 5 star and 4 star recruits no matter who your coach is.f

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes all of the "rust" belt schools are having a more difficult time recruiting. I happen to know a lot about recruiting in Texas and the past 20 years, and have been involved with at process. Economically, you have seen the jobs and people move from the rust belt to Texas, or Florida etc..

Additionally, on the high school level in Texas, due to Katrina and the ongoing recession, the top tier athletes around the country are "selecting" where they live in Texas, what school district they live in, just to assure their kid is being featured on a team that is in the cross hairs of all the colleges recruiting Texas.

Your comment about "the only schools that can recruit in Texas are the private schools is confusing at best." The only colleges in the Big 12 Conference that are "private schools" are Baylor and TCU and they're still subsidized by the State. OU, Missouri, Okla.State, Texas all have built their football programs on developing deep-rooted relationship in the 1500 high schools in Texas and getting the top 1-2 tier of the 400 division 1 players available each year.

Its imperative by anyone that truly understands the Big 12 Conference and the climate today in Texas High School Football, to have a clear and direct pipeline to the coaches and athletes at these schools. Bringing someone in that number 1 hates the recruiting process he was quoted many times saying as much, and two....unless playing in Dallas against the Cowboys, most likely doesn't know anything about the State of Texas.

Recruiting cures all ills and it appears Kansas won't get better, but remain on life support.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Uh you mis-read what I was saying about private schools recruiting in Texas. It was high schools, not colleges. All colleges recruit players.

I understand the Big12 conference fully. Yes those kids from Texas are huge in building a program or rebuilding it. I'm not discounting that. But what makes you think an ex high school coach there will equate to recruiting success??

Super bowl winning assistant coach vs ex high school coach. Who do you want in your living room if your son was being recruited?

He has said in the past that he doesn't like the recruiting process, and there are other college coaches that don't like the song and dance they have to do to land players. Recruiting has changed a lot in the past 20 years from what it is now. It used to be a kid would be loyal to the coach that stayed loyal to him. Now if he gets a better offer that kid is moving on. If he gets a better offer than that one, he is moving on. College recruiting is a full time job in itself, then you add to that the actual duty as coach, I can see why a guy wouldn't like it.

But if he gets guys around him that can recruit and he can close the deal, then KU will be fine.

As far as not knowing anything about the state of Texas, I'd bet you be surprised with his contacts what he can find out about it. Plus that is just plain old ignorance on your part, to assume that.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Tim Grunhard, the head coach at Bishop Miege High School, played at Notre Dame. He was part of the 1988 team that went undefeated and won the national title. When the announcement came on Weis, Grunhard was the first call I made. He is very familiar with Weis and knows him well.

"He's a likeable guy and he can walk right into your house and you will like him," Grunhard said. "He's a brilliant offensive mind. He's the kind of guy that certainly knows how to win. And he knows how to recruit. He can go into a kid's house and show off those big (Super Bowl) rings on his finger."

The above came from this article, http://kansas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1304928 And since it's a quote from a HS football coach I would think that would give it some credit for you.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Your logic would be sound if this was 1980 and recruiting, facilities and television revenue hadn't evolved to the level it has...where do you imagine Charlie Weis would have any modicum of knowledge of Texas High School recruiting, from Notre Dame? From the failure this year at Florida?

I would have thought the realignment would have taught the myopic Jayhawk followers of the sense of urgency, the years they've fallen behind in their own Conference, in every category. Iowa State with Paul Rhodes is a significantly better and relevant program at this point.

You don't have 2-3 years to find out if the next "experiment" of a guy that has had 3 coaching jobs in the last 5 years can get this program out of the ditch.

The bigger hint and what has been the punch line on every radio station in the country today...is NOBODY at any level of college football would have EVER hired Weiss...

.A better question to ask...would Oklahoma State, or OU, or Texas, or Texas Tech, or TCU hired Charlie Weiss....not in a million years! That's your competition..that's who you aspire to be able to at least not get laughed out of the stadium playing during the season.

If you're going to at least "try" to be relevant and "try" to get a football program restored, you don't hire someone who has all but washed-out of coaching.

As far as sitting in a recruits family room after Bob Stoops, or Bobby Jack Wright, or Duane Akina, or Mack Brown, or Bill Young or Mike Gundy have been there....I assure you they have put more people into the coaching ranks than Charlie Weiss...

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Texas Tech hired a washed up Tuberville. OU hired Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake. Okie St. has had Bill Simmons. Texas hired within with David McWilliams. Nebraska had Bill Callahan.

So for Kansas to get a name like Weis, probalby isn't a bad thing.

Was he my first choice? No. I wanted Smart, Chryst, and Malzahn. In that order, and now you can say I wanted assistants, and yes those guys, guys kids have heard of nationally, not just in Texas HS folklore.

I will take Weis for what he can do at KU, what he can bring to KU.

KU hasn't ever been on par with the likes of UT or OU in football. Just like they aren't on par with KU in basketball.

It it's true KU is paying CW $3mil a year, then that just shows how hard a place KU is to bring a coach to. Maybe it's the other way and KU was the only one willing to pay CW his asking price and therefore no other schools talked to him knowing what he wanted for a salary???

He left Florida for a HC job, vertical move, not lateral. He didn't get along with Haley at KC, why should he have to put up with him? ND fired him just as they did the 3 guys before him, is that his fault or theirs??

And since ND is on the cusp of the rust belt then it must be hard for them to recruit players because all those kids in the Michigan/Indiana/Ohio/Illinois have moved to Texas. Just like Pittsburgh. Right?

Kansashawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Are just on here to spew hatred under the GUIs of informed applicable intellect. Take your hate somewhere else.

Your comments are beyond pragmatic, helpful or otherwise coonversation in tone.

If u know everything, then go sit in a corner and talk to yourself. Because that clearly is the only one you want to hear from.

Ervin O'Neal 9 years, 10 months ago

You should get your own radio show in Columbia with comments like this

"OU, Missouri, Okla.State, Texas all have built their football programs on developing deep-rooted relationship in the 1500 high schools in Texas and getting the top 1-2 tier of the 400 division 1 players available each year."

If you look at the Top 250 recruits for 2010 and 2011, the states of Texas and Florida each had 71 while CA had 65. GA (38) and OH (26) were the only other states that averaged more than 10 kids per year.

Now try to keep up with this post. The 71 kids from TX signed with the following schools: Texas - 31 OU - 9 aTm - 6 T Tech - 3 Oregon - 3 LSU - 3 Nebraska - 3 OK St - 3 Baylor - 2 Bama, BYU, Ark, Mizzou, Michigan, Utah, TCU and Tennessee - 1

For Mizzou, that must have been one hell of a recruit from TX to be the foundation on which Mizzou has built their program. Mizzou's only other Top 250 recruits were 3 players from MO. Mizzou can't recruit Texas now. But their uninformed fans think that the TX recruits that they lose because of their move to the SEC will be replaced by recruits from places like Florida.

Mizzou builds its program around 3-star athletes because they average <2 recruits per year that is 4-star of higher. Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee have entire second string lineups full of better recruits than MU has as starters.

Over the same 2 years, 6 of the top recruits were from Kansas. 4 signed with OU while K State and Nebraska each signed 1. Its not enough, but there is plenty of local talent available for Charlie Weiss to land. TX recruiting is important for any midwest school, but aTm just gave all those SEC schools even more leverage for recruiting Texas.

lonestar 9 years, 10 months ago

By God, a man with no blinders on when it comes to this HORRENDOUS choice. You are a needle in a haystack of insanity. Your first round is on me.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Actually having no blinders on would mean that you were indifferent to the hire.

You have just showed that you are wearing a different pair of blinders than others.

FCCoHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I think this could potentially be a great hire, but I am concerned about how he will recruit for KU. It is not ND, so it will be tougher to get the top recruits. I was not a big Weiss fan while he was at ND, he seemed to be kind of an arrogant jerk at times. Granted, only what is shown by media, so certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt. Interesting that the Florida coach called him a "family man". I do like the name recognition for the program. It does put some immediate energy into the program and thrust it into the national spotlight which is great. Hopefully, Weiss learned some things from his ND tenure as a head coach and handles things a little different this time around here at KU. Time will tell. Biggest issue now is to get on the recruiting trail. I don't know what his staff was like at ND, but assuming with all his years of coaching experience he will be able to pick out good assistant coaches. Go 'Hawks!!!

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

That's not true. I like this hire and I supported Gill until about week 6 of this past season.

I just don't know how anyone can call this a bad hire until the guy has coached a game, let alone a practice. But I figure they know more about college football than anyone else in the country and that's why they are on message boards.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Amen and +1,000! God, the guy hasnt even been in Lawrence for 24 hours and we have a bunch of losers screaming" Bad Hire!" Give me a break.

Bill Anthony 9 years, 10 months ago

By the same logic then you can't call it a good hire until he has coached a game. If we have to wait until next August to post an opinion we should all just log off until then. But for most of us the give and take of our opinions is what makes the sight so fun. None of know the future so lets just keep BSing. In the end we all WANT this to be a great hire. Some of us just have doubts and think there were better choices. That's how someone can call this a bad hire--it's an opinion.

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

Thats not true at all. I hate this hire and I hated Gills hire also. Neither one has ever shown that they are Head Coaches. Both are decent supporting cast at best. But Weis is not loyal to anything but his wallet and his drive to make a name for himself. This is job three in three years. At least Gill was willing to stick with his mediocrity and ride it out for the sake of his pride. Weis will jump ship as soon as a better offer comes along. We needed to hire a coach with a history of building success, someone with character. Someone with a good longterm plan and track record.

This is not a solution to the problem that is KU football. This is smoke and mirrors. This is an attemp to generate interest by hiring a flashy name with no substance. This is a huge mistake!

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

Help me understand. I've heard these types of comments together before. You're basically saying Weis is not a good person (only cares about himself) and that he has no substance. That he will only be here until something better comes along. If he's that bad, why would something better ever come along?

Luke Kay 9 years, 10 months ago

I have never said that he was not a good person. Caring about your wallet first doesnt make you a bad person. But it makes you a shakey at best hire. History has shown that Weis is a "grass is always greener" kind of guy. And his history has shown that its not always a better job he leaves for, In a lot of cases its a step down. There is 0 stability in Charlie Weis, and thats not good for KU.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

"I have never said that he was not a good person."

From your 8:20 a.m. post above:

"We needed to hire a coach with a history of building success, someone with character."

Now given that a history of building success and character can be mutually exclusive (see Penn State's Sandusky for example), from my perspective if you say KU needed to hire a person with character you are at least inferring the person they hired is not a good person.

Now, please elaborate more fully regarding how "in a lot of cases" Weis' moves have been a step down. It's obvious you have much insight into his character, thoughts, motivations and personal needs.

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

Who was the coach you wanted? Leach, Fedora? Neither were coming to KU.

There is a good chance the third and fourth guy on the list weren't coming either.

Weis has huge upside, and the downside is he might leave early for a better job.

He won't be worse then Gill. So it's an upgrade, everyone should be happy.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

"This is job three in three years."

Job A: Terminated-can't blame him for leaving that position involuntarily. Job B: Quit as Chiefs OC after coaching perennial back-up QB to Pro Bowl and team to 10-6 record as Division Champs. Nevertheless, do you really blame him for leaving Haley? Job C: Left Florida as OC to assume HC position. So you will find fault in someone moving vertically whether for more $ or a chance to redeem their professional reputation? His HC Will Muschamp seems to understand his motivation.

"At least Gill was willing to stick with his mediocrity and ride it out for the sake of his pride."

That has absolutely got to be the most take-the-cake, absurd thing I've ever read anywhere. What do you think Gill was going to do? Walk out on 2 million per year? Ride it out? How about run it so far into the ground you wouldn't have to worry about removing the track? How about so far into the ground the next home game would be in China? Wow, just wow!

Todd Seifert 9 years, 10 months ago

I have to wonder who some of you were hoping would be the new coach. I think this is a great hire. Our coach has name recognition and ties to the NFL, which is the key draw in recruiting these days. Did you think a program that sank so far so fast was going to lure away a Miles or a Kiffin or another big-name coach. Remember, we fired the mist successful coach in decades because he hurt players' feelings. This program has to be successful for Kansas not to be left out in all the conference mayhem, and to start to be relevant again you have to recruit talent. I think Weis will be able to do that because of the NFL ties. I think it's a bold move, exactly the kind that was needed.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

How about one of Bill Snyder's coordinators?

How about the HC of Rockhurst High, if we want to focus on attracting Catholic athletes?

How about the top high school football coach in Texas, if we want to focus on attracting Texas athletes?

How about the Wisconsin assistant coach, if we want to focus on offense the Nebraska way, once more?

How about Nolan Cromwell?

How about Nolan Cromwell?

How about Nolan Cromwell?

I went to class with Nolan.

Nolan has charisma by the tank car load.

Nolan was a great, great college and professional athlete.

Nolan knows the pro game.

Nolan knows the college game.

Nolan knows KU.

Nolan knows defense.

Nolan knows offence.

Nolan knows recruiting.

Nolan is photogenic.

Nolan is not morbidly obese.

Nolan has a good sense of humor.

Nolan has good hair days.

Nolan is on the upside of his career.

Nolan is KU.

Nolan could do it all.

How about Nolan Cromwell, fer gosh sakes?

Robert Brock 9 years, 10 months ago

He could coach the running quarterbacks.

ihateroy 9 years, 10 months ago

How about Nolan? How about Nolan? How about Nolan? How about you shut up?

John Boyle 9 years, 10 months ago

You spelled offense wrong.

I like Nolan as well.

quovadis7 9 years, 10 months ago

jaybate,

Your comments about Nolan Cromwell stole my thunder, and then some. Look what Nolan did for Texas A&M's offense a few years ago as their OC....

What I think would be a stroke of genius would be for Charlie Weiss to hire Nolan as his OC, and then groom Nolan to be the next Jayhawk Head Coach.

Then, if Weiss takes off for greener pastures in 3 years, we've got an up and coming HC who is not only talented on many fronts, but who also BLEEDS Crimson & Blue!

Kenny Terry 9 years, 10 months ago

+100% I agree with you.great post. I am ready to see the staff he can bring in and hope he does nothing but prove the naysayers wrong.

NorthStarHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Weis....welcome to KU!

AD Zenger....well done. I loved the way you ran this search. The sound of crickets was a refreshing change!

Rock Chalk

tical523 9 years, 10 months ago

I think everyone agrees, if you like the hire or not, that time will tell. . . . but I do think we all agree that success in football really comes down to your coordinators and assistants. If Weis hires an excellent staff I believe this could be a great hire. I am sure that he is motivated to beat some of these legendary and even up and coming Big XII coaches. Come on Charlie, bring in Leavitt for D coordinator and keep R Mitchell and D Beaty on staff. Rock Chalk!!!

vd 9 years, 10 months ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO................. We hire a guy who couldn't turn around ND????????????????? If you can't make ND a winner, how the he!! can he be a winner at KU? Does KU have a TV contract with NBC? This is bad. Terrible. Horrible.

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

Name one guy that turned around ND.

ND will NEVER be what they were.

Look at the recruits and pro players he brought through that program. He will be better at being a head coach this time, then he was then.

KU couldn't have done better - at least on paper. It remains to be seen what kind of staff he can put together, and how they can do.

This is a GREAT hire, and immediately puts KU on ESPN for good or bad.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

I am mostly excited about this hire, but it's the press that has me doing a constant double-take. First, I hear he can't recruit, but then I hear he can and see he had success at ND (of course, many have). Then I hear he can't coach, but I read about what a fantastic offensive coach he is. It just seems there is no consensus about this dude. People seem to like AND dislike him for the exact same reasons. I guess we'll just have to see, but I am about 100% sure this will be better than what we've had for the last two years, so I'm game!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

'What Follows Is a Transcript of jaybate's First Football Confession (and a repost from the basketball page when this morning revealed 'the horror' was real)"

Forgive me, father, for I have sinned and I am soon going to again. I am going to post a transcript of this football confession on KUSports.com under a basketball thread, because the football thread announcing Charlie Weis' hiring is not accepting posts, and I don't know anyone over on the football threads any way.

Please, father, forgive me for I have sinned and I am not Catholic and this is my first confession, but please, Father, tell me they are not hiring Charley Weis!!!!!

Please, father, please tell me god will not permit this.

This is the worst of all possible worlds, father, worse even than Mitt Romney becoming President of anything!

Father, Charlie Weis could not recruit at Notre Dame!!!!!

Father, Mt. Oread is not Golgotha for KU football. KU has done nothing to deserve this hire, father, you've got to believe me.

Yes, yes, yes, I have lusted after women other than my wife, but was too afraid to actually cheat.

Yes, yes, yes, I have gone fly fishing and skiing on business trips, but I never billed for the time on the slopes.

Yes, yes, yes, I have used hateful language about the University of Missouri and I have thought of tying a chain to the axle of my SUV and pulling down one of the columns in Columbia.

Yes, yes, yes, I have annoyed many people with posts vastly too long for mortals to read.

Yes, yes, yes, I regularly check the adult video previews in my hotel room, but am too cheap to go ahead and buy them.

Yes, yes, I once thought about driving to Chapel Hill and sneaking an exploding cigar into Dean's collection of Cuban stogies.

Yes, yes, yes, I have occasionally had lustful thoughts about cheerleaders.

Is that enough, father? Will you and god please not let Zenger hire Charlie Weis now?

The only people that can really cheer this hire, father, are, god forgive me, a few Catholic folks that would like a Bridge partner for a dime a point, right, father? Like Tom and Sheahon? Right?

Charlie Weis is just about the worst hire Zenger could have made and it is now clear that Zenger needs to be fired.

Forgive me father, for I have sinned about saying Zenger should be fired.

Did I, jaybate, the voice of crimson and blue reason,who doesn't care a whit about KU football, just say the AD should be fired?

Did I say an AD ought to be fired for his first fire and first hire?

Yes, father, I did. Please forgive me, but I did.

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

Stopped ready after you said "Cannot recruit at Notre Dame"

Two top 10 recruiting classes Golden Tate - 1st round draft pick, Heisman candidate, Jimmy Claussen - National Player of the Year Michael Floyd Dayne Crist - 5 star QB that might transfer to KU for Weis and a lot of other NFL guys

not to mention turning Brady Quinn into a top 5 heisman candidate two years in a row.

you sir, are a dumbass.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

+1

A lot of negatives about Charlie's tenure at ND but recruiting is not one of them.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

He inherited Brady Quinn and the few others he got that were good didn't help him win. You get those just by being Notre Dame, even Gerry Faust had good recruits.

ihateroy 9 years, 10 months ago

That is so funny!!!!!!! I just fell out of my chair. You should be a comedian!

741hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

If Weis can salvage the KU Football program like Romney reorganized and single-handedly salvaged the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics, then he will have been a great hire.

. . . . not supporting the hire. Just sayin'.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis?

Someone has to be evacuating their colons on this one, father.

Father, tell me Sheahon is pulling our legs.

Holy mother of all that is great and good in his name, tell us this is one of those jokes that some journalist mistook for the truth.

Not Charlie Weis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd rather have Fizzou's specialty team's coach than Charlie Weis.

Help me, help me, help me, I think I'm going insane, father.

Zenger didn't hire Charlie Weis in the same universe that KU plays football in, did he?

This is a dhs/cia/dia/oni/g2/fbi/nsa/cbs/nbc/abc/cnn/msnbc/Fox mind control experiment that will quickly be retracted, won't it father?

Tell me, tell me, tell me, please, tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Father I cannot help recalling the old Star Kist tuna ad.

Sorry Charlie, we don't want failed Notre Dame coaches with good Catholic connections.

We want successful D1 coordinators with good recruiting connections in Texas, or Florida, or Namibia, fergoshsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ooops, excuse me, father. I really am not myself today.

This is like having a nightmare where Zenger alienates Self, Self leaves for North Carolina, and Zenger hires Ben Howland.

Oooooooooooooooooh, noooooooooooooooooo!

First Zenger fires a guy he shouldn't fire, because Zenger apparently lost his nerve. Surely that was a sin he will have to confess, father.

Next he hires perhaps the worst available candidate for the job.

What can the S-Man do to top this?

Betray Jesus himself?

Announce he is painting the Campanile purple?

Sheahon Zenger is obviously Mossad, or MI-5, or Chinese intelligence, or IRA sent to try to destabilize the heartland.

ihateroy 9 years, 10 months ago

You are annoying. Keep your long winded comments to yourself.

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

Pretty much everywhere I read, this hire has made KU an even bigger laughing stock than we were the last two years. I'm starting to get a little bit angry. I say cough up the money to put together a ridiculously awesome staff, get out there and turn this program around and shut these people up! RCJH!

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Really... every national news outlet I've heard says it's good for KU. Possibly high risk, high reward... I'm okay with that, plus we are all over the news. lol. I cant wait to see what recruits we land.

MDHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

The folks at ESPN appear to think it's an okay hire...if you ask fans from other schools, they won't like it because they don't understand why a guy of Weis's caliber would agree to coach at KU. What they're most afraid of is that this might just work.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, I've already talked to several KSU fans that have played down the hire..

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

Really?! You're calling me a liar?!

I ran across a number of message boards and articles that did indeed say and/or imply this. Also I said PRETTY much and everywhere "I" read. I haven't read everything. And not everything I read was the same. Good grief, I've read as much on these message boards.

I was merely commenting on some things I had read. Don't agree with them. Upset about it because of my love for KU. What in the hell is wrong with that?

The way some Jayhawk fans talk to other Jayhawk fans on these boards is a disgrace.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Yesterday's online front page sports section of the Topeka Capital Journal, which by circumstance---and a couple of pro Martin/Snyder writers---has been pretty pro KSU lately, had four out of four articles covering KU football. That with Ohio State coming to town.

I'd say the buzz is working. The other schools fans can say what they want. I agree shelleysue, hopefully Weis gets some awesome coordinators and can recruit to heights we've never seen. That will be the key for Charlie, getting the players. When he didn't have players at ND, they went 6-6. Well KU's admission standards are tougher than Florida's, but no where as difficult as ND and he still had back to back top 10 classes there.

If he can get recruiting gurus, look out shelleysue, you called it better than anyone on this board.

RCJ

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm hoping Weis can bring in Dayne Crist who's a stud QB from Notre Dame that loves Charlie Weis, and is transferring.

He'll be able to start for us day 1.

sheahoRn 9 years, 10 months ago

Since I know Ahperse like to experiment with drugs, tell him to put this hire in his pipe and smoke it! Not only did I hire a guy with name recognition that will be able to get into the living rooms of top recruits I also saved us if conference realignment roars it's head again. This hire gives us national attention to college football fans and also shows other conferences that we are at least trying to do something on the football field. So Ahperse shut your yapper while I make a couple of calls to the big 10. Oh, but first I have to speak with Ray B about something...Stay tuned beeatch!

Your BFF sheahoRn

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

Really? I'll pick the B1G over the Big XII -2, -2, +2 anyday.

Won't happen.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Zenger has become the Manchurian Athletic Director, father.

Quick, where is Angela Lansbury? Who is Angela Lansbury? Is BGL Sheahon's Angela Lansbury?

Oh, my deity in the Kansas sky!!!!

Charlie Weis?

Just convert Memorial Stadium to offices and rent it out to some oligarch that wants to start yet another money grubbing institute, father, one of those institutes for the tax exempt advancement of an oligarch's own agenda. Let him rename Memorial Stadium anything he wants. Let him cover it with crass commercial murals, if he must, but...

Don't hire Charlie Weis.

Announce that KU is giving up football, because scientific research validates that even minor impacts in football generate accumulating brain trauma that predispose football players to manifest early onset Alhemiers and dementia.

Please wake me up and tell me Sheahon did not really hire Charlie Weis, father.

I will convert to Roman Catholicism if Sheahon Zenger and Tom Keegan coordinates some Talking Points indicating that after some reconsideration, they have decided to go in another direction!!!!

Like they have decided to hire the Lawrence High football coach, or even just the top Mary Kay saleswoman.

I don't care.

Hire Conner Teahan for god's sakes. Forgive me, father. He's Catholic. I'm not against a Catholic coach. I'm not even against a Notre Dame coach. But hire us a good Notre Dame coach would you? Hire us one who has had good success recruiting players to Notre Dame at least. Give us some kind of hope!!!

Father, I will promise Tom and Cheapen I will convert.

Heck, I will convert to Eastern Orthodox Catholicism, if it will help.

I will go to the Hagia Sophia and start Lent right now, if that's what it takes.

I know I'm not supposed to bargain with god, father, I know I have sinned bargaining with god, but let him take it out on me, not on KU!!!!

Please, please, please, not Charlie Weis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone call Riggo.

Someone call Nolan Cromwell.

Someone call Alf Landon's ghost.

Hire the quarterback off the recent Orange Bowl team.

Hire the Kardashians.

But please tell me hasn't hired Charlie Weis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Transcription truncated...)

(Note; All fiction. No malice.)

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

You just have to learn how to scroll quickly when you get to a Jaybate post.

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

sort of a nutsy post. I say, let's support every new coach until they prove they are not worthy of support.

flyingfinn 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't read or comment to the moron he is an ego maniac I just scroll by his name now

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

Should have stuck with posting about basketball...

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

JB, I enjoy reading your posts. While we differ on the hiring of Weis (I'm no FB expert), lets make a bet. If Weis proves you wrong, you will convert to Catholicism! If he proves me right, well that's all I need :-)

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

go back to the bb threads less is more moreorless

texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

  1. Possibly, ND football boosters are much more demanding than KU football boosters are.
  2. Depends on who he hires as DC.
  3. Their offense was fine until Jeff Brantley got injured and they were playing 2 true freshmen QB's against top 10 defenses Alabama, LSU, UGA, and SCar.
  4. Dayne Crist is visiting KU this weekend and he was recruited by Weis to Notre Dame.
  5. We'll have to see who his OC is, but I imagine we'll see a transition to a more pass heavy offense and possibly see Pierson move to WR to give KU another athlete out there.
  6. Apparently those personal reasons (special needs daughter) have arranged into a workable situation with his wife.
  7. That's a legitimate concern and we'll have to wait and see how that plays out. 8&9. He said during his press conference he will have hip replacement surgery during the dead time in February where he can't recruit or be with the team to fix the last major problem from when his legs were shredded in that sideline collision at Notre Dame.
  8. He relies on Reggie Mitchell, who's staying on staff, to help him find position coaches that have the ties to Texas to not kill recruiting.

The_Real_Hawkman 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis need to make a run at Dorial Green-Beckham, not commented #1 WR from Springfield Mo.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

Somebody would have to first tell Weis where Springfield MO. is located, much less teach him the finer points of college recruiting, before he'll be able to recruit the likes of a Juco player, much less the most coveted wide receiver still uncommitted.

Green-Beckham is 6'6" 220 pounds and clocked at a 4.4 sec. 40 yard dash. Oh and by the way, has a 3.2 GPA. He is being heavily recruited by every top program in the country.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

in 2006 CW had ND at #5 in recruiting, in 2007 #11 and #2 in 2008. Sure it fell for ND all the way to #23 in 2009 his last year.

So all top 25 classes, you are right, he doesn't know how to recruit.

I know you are going to say it's easy to recruit at ND with their Jesuit pipeline, but they can't take walk ons, plus with academic standards at ND being some of the highest in the football getting all top 25 classes is actually pretty impressive.

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

You're precisely right..the reason he got back into the NFL is he despised the recruiting aspects of college coaching and despised having to suck-up to the fans and boosters. The guy clearly abhored coaching in the college ranks. Ask Mike Sherman about the differences of being effective in the NFL and attempting to translate that to the college ranks.

Also, ask Nick Saban how easy the transition is to the NFL ranks. There are coaches more suited for both..and after the worst offense in 20 years turned in by Weiss at Florida...who oh by the way...is easier to recruit to than Notre Dame...he was already on the hot seat there.

At Kansas, you have less than half the "Multi-Purpose" facility filled with fans at a home game, and the other half are watching clouds and butterfilies amidst the booze tents on the "Hill." The football program clearly ran off in the ditch, you have a reduced revenue from those fans and boosters.

The Jesuit pipeline to the mother ship has been there long before Weiss got there..and he had nothing/zero to effect that.

To further your point about the recruiting at Notre Dame...he wasn't directly responsible for the majority of that talent and still couldn't win and develop it enough to keep his job.

That was his "alma mater" and he couldn't effort enough skill set to win on the scoreboard and in the court of public opinion. Imagine the fortune he'll have working that same magic at Kansas....

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

I stated this earlier about Florida. It's not Urban Meyer, it's Muschamp's offense, and he is a defense first guy.

He want's to win games with his defense and not get in a shoot out. He philosophy is like that of Bo Pelini's at Nebraska, control the clock and field position and win with your kicker. Stay close and hope for a big play late.

That offense at Florida was nothing like what CW ran at ND or in the NFL. Tim Beck had a high flying offense while at KU under Mangino but under Pelini it looks like a dysfunctional debacle. No tempo, no consistency, nothing great. So is that on Beck or Pelini?

What I'm getting at, when you are an assistant, you get to put your two cents in, but you are still running the offense that the head coach wants you to run. He just wants the assistants to manage his offense and help it along.

I don't have a crystal ball, and neither do you. So there is no way to tell what he will do here at KU. Ones past is just that, their past. You learn from it, you grow from it, you become better for it.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Musclehead is the way your name should read......

theboehr 9 years, 10 months ago

"Eleven days, numerous flights and countless hours of conversations later"

11 days X 24 hours = 264 hours

Counted.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

Great...Jaybate is posting on football articles! So not we will have 500 comments on this thread and his 3 will take up most of the entire page. Finger scrolling, get ready!

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

I thought you were changing the avatar this morning. Which one are you anyway? Charlie or the other poor kid?

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

Again, spending time on HCCW google images page...yikes!

DocBean 9 years, 10 months ago

No kidding. I wish they would limit comments to 500 characters or less. If you can't say it in less then that, it doesn't need to be said.

Jaybate = Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate is anything but stupid. If you ever take the time to read one of his war and peace posts they are very well thought out. I'll agree with the annoying and sometimes pointless part!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't fret silk's perse,

I'll make you a deal.

You stay on the football threads and stay off the basketball threads and we are square.

Capice?

:-)

RockChalk26 9 years, 10 months ago

Good news, if he doesn't do a good job while here at Kansas he will more then likely quit on his own, saving us 6 million bucks that we would have paid to fire him.

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

jaybate = the old Ahpersecoachingexperience. btw nice to see you've come around too. How bout a new avatar?

shufly 9 years, 10 months ago

All you nay sayers, you expressed the same sentiments about the Bill Self hire. If Turner Gill can't sell you on Charlie, you need help.

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 10 months ago

When is Tait going to update us on the coaching search again? It's been a while.

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

Dude, it's over. We rehired Mangino... look at the pic at the top of the page.

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey! No guts, no glory. Weis is super-motivated.

rockemchalkemrobots 9 years, 10 months ago

More motivated than when he had his dream job at his alma mater? Sure.

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes. At 55 years old and wiser after the ND fiasco, he has something to prove. ND sucks, by the way. Did you ever go to a game and hear the comments in the stands from the elitist a-holes?

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Yawn.....this will change very little for KU Football. Ku will have a decent football program every 15-20 years......that's it. Weis is not gong to change that.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Why is Jaybate commenting on a football story???

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

We need to get behind this hire. This guy has a wealth of coaching experience at the highest levels of football. I, for one, am thankful that we were able to secure a guy with his experience. Hey, KU is not going to get the "perfect hire." But, considering our plight at the present time, this was a great hire. Welcome to Lawrence Charlie and family. I hope you are happy and that you are able to put the pride back into Jayhalk foortball. Let's start with recruiting some stud D linemen from the JC ranks.

Robert Brock 9 years, 10 months ago

We need to recruit at all positions on defense. The cupboard is nearly empty.

Mike Ross 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt, any news, snippets, rumblings, anything at all on potential coordinators, position coaches, etc? TG was quick on the trigger announcing his staff so wondered if CW would be similar. Whats the thought about Grundy (Tim not Mike) being looked at for the o-line coaching position? Levitt for DC? Mitchell as recruiting coord? Crist transfer?

This is exactly what this hire does, it gets the wheels turning and makes people actually talk about KU football. Will it work? Who knows. The thing is there is no sure thing hire in college football, at least not one that was willing to take this job. We start at the bottom: bottom of the Big 12, bottom of the def stats, bottom of recruiting, bottom of a lot. But the key is, we start...now lets go.

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

Those young men will practice hard and play harder...or else!!!

Ethan Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

I want Auburn OC and Leavitt, that's my personal dream.

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

Not enough room for the two egos, or at the buffet. Sorry, not into the fat jokes usually, but you set that one up.

Coach-Matt Koelling 9 years, 10 months ago

Why does everyone who disagrees with this hire feel the need to bash the program? If Coach Weis didn't think he could win at KU, then he wouldn't have agreed to come here. Let the man do his job. If you don't have anything good to say, keep it to yourself. You really want to be the person that says "I told you so!" in 4 years, if our program fails??? Let real KU fans support the team and all you naysayers join the SEC

Steve Corder 9 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, there are always plenty of people around who see the worst in everything. They are tiresome individuals and what they don't realize is that people around them tend to dismiss them and avoid them.

I certainly am looking forward with optimism. Not because I know more than the next guy but because I want to see the best side first and avoid the tendancy to be so critical before the guy has even been introduced in the presser.

Welcome coach!

Ethan Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

The PROS of this hire

  1. Interest- Big big name
  2. Money- He will bring some donors knocking
  3. Recruiting- First, are people really scared of his recruiting? Go look up numbers.
  4. Recruiting again- " Hey Kid, I can get you in the nfl. I was kind of a big deal, you see I know a lot of guys. You come here, you play in the nfl. simple. as. that."

CONS

  1. His last 3 years at ND scare me. Simple, you cannot go 3-9 at that school. 20 of his losses were by 7 points or less. But not a great last 3 years.
  2. This isn't really a con yet, but Cords. He needs to make a big splash with the cords. Keep Mitchell and get some big name Cords.

Overall, I like the hire, but im not sold. We seen his teams being able to start great, I think we are a bowl team the next two years. Its the years after the next two that im interested in.

rockemchalkemrobots 9 years, 10 months ago

Good read.

Side note, Penn State must be pleased as punch that Sandusky is perp walking in their gear.

ihateroy 9 years, 10 months ago

How many signatures would it take to get a ban on Jaybate? I would be the first to sign!

middleoftheroader 9 years, 10 months ago

jaybate is the perfect example of why not everyone should get a college education.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Please, please please.... get Dayne Crist to come play QB!!

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

Tim Grunwald has be hired as O-line Coach? One of my friends just called me and told me he had heard this.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I read somewhere last evening that CW was bringing the O line coach from Florida with him.

Robert Howard 9 years, 10 months ago

Now that KU has hired their coach - Matt Tait can get some sleep! Thanks again Matt!

Get rested Matt, because we'll need you to turn your attention back to the realignment topic soon to feed our insatiable appetite for wild rumors and speculation!! ;)

kdavis022 9 years, 10 months ago

As a former player from 2005 to 2009..How can people not be the least bit excited about this hire?? This is leaps and bounds better than what we had in place. If you honestly supported Turner Gill and think he should have been given another year then you have absolutely no idea of what kind of shape he really left the program in. We have several ineligible players for next season due to academics and disciplinary reasons. No wonder the players there now liked him so much. They didn't have to work hard or do anything. Skipping classes, workouts, etc. That never would have gone over with our previous staff. Weis needs to go in and kick some ass and put some of these new players in their place before we can expect to see any improvement.

As far as Charlie Weis goes. He may not have been the best head coach at Notre Dame, but he went to 3 bowl games in 5 years. Did he have talented athletes? Sure. But let's not forget ND plays one of the toughest schedules in college football year in and year out, not to mention ND's academic standards. He's coached at the highest level in football for a long time and has had success doing so. Bill Belichick wasn't a winner in Cleveland. Maybe KU is Weis' New England...?

KU was in desperate need of a big name to put some life back into the fan base. I went to the games this past year and it was pathetic. 20 to 30,000 fans at a home game, with the majority of them leaving at hafl time. Give me a break. I gotta believe that someone like Weis, with his connections and his pedigree, is capable of bringing in some decent recruits and putting together a good coaching staff. Let's be honest, a great staff is KEY. Having played for Mangino I can honestly say that while he may have been a good football minded guy, he was more of a CEO than anything else. He surrounded himself with people that made him look good, but he really didn't ever do much "coaching" himself. He more or less walked around at practice and yelled at people when they did something wrong. So, if Weis and Zenger somehow manage to bring in someone like Leavitt to be the DC, I'll be thrilled.

Not going to lie, I was on the fence when I heard his name brought up in the last few days, but I'm sure as hell willing to give him a shot. It's a step in the right direction for sure. And even if he doesnt stay long, maybe he can at least make KU respectable again like we were just 4 years ago. I'm not asking for a national championship, but a winning record would be nice again dont you think?

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for your knowledgeable, well thought out post. Refreshing to read something that is entirely about football and not bitching about the columnist, the AD, the fan base, the Chancellor, etc.

kdavis022 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm just sick of hearing people complain about the situation when they really have no idea what goes on within the program itself. "Gill should have been given more time." "We should have never let go of Mangino" blah blah. Its ridiculous. Mangino, in the end, got what was coming to him. Gill, while he's a nice guy that you want to see do well, lost complete control of the program. It was hard to be a fan last year, I'll admit. KU nation needs to get behind this and be supportive. Let's see what happens before we start bashing this decision

RockChalkAtlantaHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Strong post, and agree with your insight. SZ goes out and brings in a proven winner, with an excellent coaching pedigree to a program in much need of a face-lift. The tone of our football team will certainly change. This will be a very fun ride for KU fans. Rock Chalk.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for that insight, not just of Gill, but for Mangino as well.

It's good to hear things with credit.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Great post and right on the money. Bottom line is he is our coach now so the focus now should be on turning the program around.

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

LJW should put this post on the "front page" as a guest blogger. Excellent post.

kdavis022 9 years, 10 months ago

Glad everyone liked it haha. After reading through the majority of these posts, I felt like this blog was in need of some credible insight so I felt obligated to intervene.

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

I can understand the questioning of this choice, and the concern that it is a choice of name over substance. But I think it is justified given the moribund state of Kansas football. I think we needed a bold move to simply get national notice and exposure. It certainly does that.

An analogy. Several years ago I was hurting from a very bad case of tennis elbow. I did all the exercise and therapy but nothing worked. I finally got a shot of cortisone. It was supposed to provide some relief, but was not considered a cure. Well, it provided not only nearly instant relief, but the pain acturally never came back.

I'm optimistic that Charlie Weis is the needed shot of cortisone for KU football.

DXJhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

How come they let Jake Sharp call it "The University of Kansas"?

DXJhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Was a reference to it usually being called Kansas University in the paper.

orbiter 9 years, 10 months ago

hahahahahahaha. Jake is gonna get kneecapped by Dolph's goons.

Bion Ostrander 9 years, 10 months ago

All I can say is the Atlantic ocean receded 3 inches from the Florida coastline when Weis' airplane took off for Lawrence...

The state of Florida ain't big enough for both Mangino and Weis, the Florida conservation agency mandated that either Weis or Mangino must go.

Weis knew that Kansas' topography would support his frame because of Mangino's prior tour of duty here, so that...as Paul Harvey would say, "is the rest of the story."

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

wtf... you should leave and never come back.

bradynsdad 9 years, 10 months ago

The travesty is if he does succeed none of the Negative posters on here will say another word. What I would like to see is this. If Weiss succeeds in getting us to a bowl game within two years, all the posters who said this was a bad hire get on here everyday multiple times a day and post that "I was wrong about this hire and I have no concept of what it takes to hire a football coach or coach a football time. I am just a mindless blogger who hides behind my keyboard instead of actually working in the industry." Sound fair? Any takers?

squintseugene1 9 years, 10 months ago

+1 most people just like the whole anonymous name thing and like to complain i think of myself as an optimist and will agree with all the calls made by the athletics department.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

bradynsdad,

For the record, all I've said about this hire so far is that I'm underwhelmed. I am more than willing to let the man do his thing and see what happens.

To be fair - if this coach turns out to be a total flop, would you be willing to do the exact same thing that you're asking of the negative posters?

What we have to determine is what is success and what is failure regarding Kansas football? If 4-5 wins per year is success - he'll probably be successful.

It should be an interesting next 2 or 3 years. If he sticks around that long. I think that's one reason for some of the negativity - he doesn't seem to stay in one place very long!

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt - any word at all on who might be coming on staff? Any word on the current staff and who Weis might want to keep around?

squintseugene1 9 years, 10 months ago

i was wondering the exact same thing as you i say we get Malzhan as OC and Leavitt as DC could be a great staff

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

Enough with the fat jokes. They are getting painfully old and lame and have not heard one that was remotely funny.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

maybe he can put the track around the field to good use and get some exercise?

Spencer Goff 9 years, 10 months ago

How did he fit in that plane? Surely there is the jumbo-ass model parked somewhere in secrecy. A Leerjet Super-Foopa 85 version parked in an underground hangar, Edwards AFB style.

"Was this the aircraft you flew in on?"

"Nah, this one carries my luggage, snack cakes, and cheezy poofs. Yeah I want the cheezy poofs."

The K-Staters are already dusting off that old chestnut, "One Kansas farmer feeds 150 people and you... Or one Charlie Weis."

But at least we are getting some use out of that buffalo shower we had installed in the coaching facility.

On a serious note, have we heard if Mitchell is sticking around?

HAWKTOPIA 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Weis is a great Hire for the KU. I wish some of the comments showed a slice of the optimism both he and the Jayhawk Nation demonstrate while rooting for our football team to improve.

To the fans who dissect Coach Weis's resume to expose any negative occurrence, take a look in the mirror and ask whether we deserve his pedigree. Then reach deep inside, take the burr out of your panties, and be Thankful Christmas came early!

RCJHKU

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

ND people are elitist a-holes who would eat their young. Weis has something to prove at 55 years old.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Heard a rumor out of KC a little bit ago that CW is getting 3 million per year. Add that to what he is making from ND, KC and FL I think his family will be living just fine.

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor about the $3mil?

David Atchley 9 years, 10 months ago

this guy continues to "steal" money from the naive and gullible...."No Guts....No Glory" well at least they got half of that right with Weiss

RockChalk26 9 years, 10 months ago

I find it hard to believe that ND is still paying him for his services. I would think that the contract with ND would the nullified when he accepted the job in KC.

Bill Corey 9 years, 10 months ago

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travelhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

There's no satisfying some of you posting "geniuses". You probably have similar brilliant insight as to why somebody like Coach K is such a lousy coach.

wtf45 9 years, 10 months ago

Stop with the fat jokes its not funny anymore.

wtf45 9 years, 10 months ago

Stop with the fat jokes its not funny anymore.

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Rumor has it that Dane Crist may be visiting KU. If he does indeed transfer, enroll and become part of the team it'll be a great addition having an experienced QB. Let's hope he'll work for that position rather than having it given to him because he is the most experienced of the bunch.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

My buddy who played for Florida a few years back was complaining the other day. His facebook quote "this is the worst offense at Florida in a long time"

This article states Mr. Weiss was the offensive coordinator of Florida's worst offense in a long time.

This was a bad hire, although I hope I'm proved wrong.

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

See Juntinryman's post from 11:21 above regarding Weis running Muschamp's offense. Bottom line, Weis would probably have run a totally different offense than the defensive-minded Muschamp had him run.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Apparently, Grunhard on 810 WHB said that his son would be coming with him to KU. So that would make it easier to leave Florida I suppose.

railer20 9 years, 10 months ago

I heard the same thing...he is trying to groom his son for coaching

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

What to we have to lose? Take a f-ing chance!

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

UPDATE: In the case of Notre Dame transfer Dayne Crist, familiarity breeds opportunity. Upon the hiring of Charlie Weis at Kansas, the likelihood of Crist taking his talents to Lawrence rose exponentially. After all, Weis recruited Crist to the Irish. And, Crist has reacted quickly upon the news of Weis' hiring.

"Dayne Crist will visit Kansas for a potential transfer and reunion with Charlie Weis. He leaves tomorrow morning," sources told Pete Thamel of the New York Times.

Crist would enter the program with an immediate familiarity with Weis' pro style system, after a season where sophomore Jordan Webb struggled as the Jayhawks' starting signal caller.

  • Brent Sobleski

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

apparently he will NOT have to sit out a year if he transfers because he will have graduated by the time next season starts.

Bee Bee 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie wasnt exactly Knute Rockne at ND. Ask Pete Carroll, he owned Chuck Wagon. I hope he works out at KU as we re all tired of losing! We ll see.

fljayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone other than me hear the rumor that the ND quarterback, a senior with another year of eligibility might follow Weis to KU?

jayhawker4real 9 years, 10 months ago

The biggest concern I see here is over Weis' recruiting ability. I also recall the situation he was in at Notre Dame, competing with perennial national BCS powerhouses for 5 star recruits. That isn't Kansas, and it won't be for several years, if ever. If Charlie can compete well for 4 star recruits and land the occasional headliner, and I can see no reason why a coach of his caliber could not, I think we can expect a lot of 7-5, 8-4 seasons with an occasional 9-3 for icing on the cake. Even with KU's current young men, I see no reason a good coaching staff can not elevate them to a competitive 5-7 or 6-6 which is what I thought Turner Gill and staff should have accomplished the last two years. Look at what a good football coach can do with spot talent and solid coaching just 80 miles west of Lawrence. Injuries were tough on KU this past season, so with those important players back I'm predicting bowl elegibility in 2012 with a good coaching staff leading the Jayhawks football program.

jhawk2325 9 years, 10 months ago

Please put the names back on the jerseys...

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Was talking to my son about that last night. He said Notre Dame has traditionally never had players names on the back of their jerseys. If that is true and since CW is a ND grad he may feel that they shouldn't be on there. Hope that's not the case. It's not a big deal, it's just annoying from a fan perspective.

Brian Zachary 9 years, 10 months ago

Notre Dame tradition was for players to earn their name on jerseys by playing in a bowl game. Weis continued that tradition and I am sure he will here as well.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

So incoming freshman, for instance, would never have their name on the jerseys but the rest of the team would if they played in a bowl the previous year? Interesting.

I'm not so sure that TG's teams didn't like the anonymity of not having their name back there.

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

Interesting how many folks live or die over the "names on the jersey" issue. Why really is this such a problem? I've heard the reasons given so far and none really carries much weight.

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

Still not much weight to any reasons I've seen.

Don't understand what your first comment about "the speed of the game" has to do with anything. Need to define casual observer - does he/she really care that much - surely a true fan in the room can fill him/her in. Fans who care know the numbers of the major players. Numbers are much easier to read than names. Easy to look up names vs numbers on line if you need to.

Fans of Notre Dame and other major programs seem to survive happily without the names on the jerseys.

Stop whining.

Next...

Fred Davis 9 years, 10 months ago

It's good to see the Haters in full force today...

Let's see, there's been all kind of good and bad points made about Charlie Weis on here... What cracks me up, is while there's plenty of people on here dogging the Charlie Weis hire, who's a better hire at this point? This is Kansas FOOTBALL, not Basketball, so when a coach with Weis' pedigree comes along, you snatch him up.

He had a rough go of it his last three years at ND, but name me a coach who hasn't had a rough go of it at ND since Lou Holtz... That ship sailed 25 years ago. No conference, too rigid of admission standards, and outside of South Bend, nobody cares about the "prestige" of Notre Dame. 34-27, yeah, it's not great, but at KU, to go 34-27 over a five year stretch with three bowl berths would have fans flipping over cars in jubilation after the TGill debacle...

And spare me the worst offense since 1988 at Florida... Hey Gator Fans, I think it's funny how Urban bails a year ago due to "health concerns" and then suddenly after Ohio State opens up he's healthy again... He lost Mullen and Strong, the recruiting fell off, he's near death, or whatever his problem was, and bounced. By Florida standards, not a lot of talent was there, and the QB was a revolving door... Oh, and let's not forget, the SEC has the best defenses in the country right? Right? That's what gets jammed down our throat every year, so is there really too much you can take away from a complete new system, marginal talent and the BEST DEFENSES IN THE COUNTRY every week? The guy had a rough season, so suddenly he's Chuck Long? Not quite.

Charlie Weis is a good hire, he's a huge name, and he's going to put together a good staff. He's keeping Reggie Mitchell, who may be the best recruiter in the country, and now he's pairing him with a coach who looks like he's actually at the same game the rest of us are watching... I've already heard from one player on the team and he likes the move, so that's very encouraging.

If there's one thing to love in sports, it's the comeback story. The guy who had it all, lost it all, and now he's coming back with something to prove. Charlie Weis has something to prove, and he's chosen to do it in the Big 12 and The University of Kansas. Think about that for a minute. A decade ago he was winning a Super Bowl with Tom Brady, now he's getting ready to patrol the sidelines of Memorial Stadium. That's remarkable and I think the upside to this could set the tone for Kansas Football for the next 20 years.

Time will tell, but until then, In The Zeng We Trust.

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Very well said and agreed!!! RCJH!!!!

kdavis022 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes sir this is what I'm talking about. Give the guy some credit. He's been slightly successful as a coach over the course of his career. I'll take Weiss over an up and coming coach from a 1-AA school for sure. KU needed this, and only time will tell. If Gill was still the coach I can honestly say I probably wouldn't have attended the games next season. I'll be there now to see how this unfolds.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Spot on as the British are fond of saying!

Brad Watson 9 years, 10 months ago

its time to look like jayhawks.......red helmets...yelloe face masks and jayhawk eyes on each side of the helmet...you design enthusiasts(sp)..figure it out...and make the eyes have a fierce appearance...then... block lettering and numbers....blue jersey gray pant...ble and red trim down the leg.....thats a jayhawk!

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Uh oh, pc violation.

Actually I'm not sure it's a bad idea. I would have to see a mock-up before I turned thumbs down.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

NO that still goes to ksu's "ecocat" mascot.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Actually this would be pretty sweet. A lot of schools have trademark uniforms. Then we need a crimson and blue alternating turf. I've heard this and think it would be awesome. This is the kind of crap that attracts recruits.. believe me, I've talked to a lot of these kids.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I think the NCAA now requires all football fields be green. Boise State's blue field got grandfathered in.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

They have to apply to the NCAA every year to keep it blue as well.
My step brother played on that field, said the color is terrible and as an O linemen says it can cause vertigo.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Well if Eastern Washington and Boise give up their turf we could combine them.

Just kidding

irvan moore 9 years, 10 months ago

we need to remember that he has an ego that makes him want to prove the reputation nd gave him far behind, this is his shot at making his legacy, i'm with charlie.

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hire Tim Grunhard - right now, I mean today - as offensive line coach. You immediately own the Kansas City recruiting market, you make another big splash and you have your potential future head coach on staff. You also have a former pro player and proven coach handling your offensive line. Wouldn't mine seeing them keep the two assistants who hung around.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 10 months ago

We could get Dayne Crist for one year. Would you take it? YES! This guy was the number 2 QB in his class coming out of high school, behind only Terrell Pryor! Other QBs in his class, who obviously ranked below him: Landry Jones, RG3, Andrew Luck. I know a lot changes between high school rankings and college, but this kid is a 6'5" 230lbs tank of a QB and a 5-star blue chipper. Let's get this guy for a year!

1bluewhiteguy 9 years, 10 months ago

Loved the "Velour Phog", excited to bring back the "Phat" to KU Football!

lv_jhwk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, which is owned by McClatchy Newspapers, who also happen to own the Bradenton Herald.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah. Mellinger doesn't like the hire.

FreddyinLA 9 years, 10 months ago

How many teams’ head coach has 4 Super Bowl rings as a coach? CW had four years where he was part of an organization that won the Lombardi Trophy.

CW worked for two of the best NFL coaches, Tuna and Hoodie.

He has five years of experience as a head coach with the most visible program in the country, at least according to NBC.

We will never lose CW to his alma mater.

We need the toughness of a disciple of Tuna and Hoodie.

His offensive schemes are balance, not some Leach experiment.

Let’s see what happens.

en1gmatikk 9 years, 10 months ago

What is KU's football schedule for next year?

Mike Ross 9 years, 10 months ago

South Dakota State and Rice at home, Northern Ill on the road then conference schedule. TT, OU KSU, Baylor - away. OSU, TU, ISU home then TCU and WV???

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

A bowl game is possible. 3-0 in non-con, find a way to win 3 conference games and we may be in. Probable? No. Possible? Definitely.

kssmiles 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't know if anyone commented yet, but why is there a photo of Bill Parcells under photos of Charlie Weiss

Alex Parker 9 years, 10 months ago

Per the caption, Weis worked under Parcells with the Giants. We wanted to show how he got to where he is. But, in retrospect, it is a bit misleading.

Thanks, Alex Parker Digital Editor

Kansashawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I really don't care what 99% of us think, but I would be interested to start hearing something from current players. Like it or not, Gill did recruit some studs.

So let's hope CW and DC to-be-named later can get some crunchers on D and get this party started.

RCJH

kdavis022 9 years, 10 months ago

As a former player I don't think it matters what our current players think. Frankly they're soft and undisciplined, and they're in for a rude awakening once they get a taste of an actual college football coach that's concerned with bigger issues than swearing in the locker room and seeing girls after 10pm. I'll say it again, no wonder they all liked Gill, because he didn't make them do anything! He may have recruited some talented players but someone needs to instill some mental toughness in this group. Did you watch the Texas A&M game? That was the biggest debacles I've ever seen. I wouldn't be surprised if we see several players get kicked off the team and/or transfer during this off season. I'm optimistic though. Let's see what kind of assistants he gets

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 10 months ago

Fire Gill! Wait...what happened? I just woke up from a 30 day coma...

s6u6r6f 9 years, 10 months ago

Did a local donut cartel reassert control over the football coaching hiring process?

thunderhawk357 9 years, 10 months ago

I never played football. I have an opinion like anyone else. All I know is you, me, Keitzman, Nick Wright, Dennis Dodd, etc. don't really know what the hell we are talking about. I've heard positives from former football players like Kendall Gammon and Grunhard and the Irish Eyes.com from Rivals beat writer gave great insight to the good and bad which I'll take over most. I want "the guy" like anyone else, but I think we can be fairly confident it's an upgrade over Gill - that's not saying much, but CW knows offense and recruited talent. If he spends as much time as Gundy does on Defense, we're toast - we don't have the talent OSU does. If he's really learned any lessons, let's see where it takes us. Bottom line - we need a solid DC and build the lines. CW excelled at skill positions on O at ND, but failed on the line.

squawky 9 years, 10 months ago

This is a major hire for KU, don't fool yourselves.

cconner79 9 years, 10 months ago

I think that this a good hire for KU namely because it begins to get people talking about the football team. I think that if he comes in here with the attitude that he is going to prove all the national people wrong he will be successful. Hopefully this hire will energize the fan base.

Displayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I just can't seem to get past the resemblance of HCCW in the top picture to Patrick in SpongeBob Squarepants. But I really hope this works out for KU!

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 10 months ago

Now you're setting the posting rules for everyone? Relax a little - plenty of people give you a lot of slack for the stuff you post - do the same for others.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Gettin a little anal there aren't you, manginorh00lz/

Displayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Geez Mangino, who pi$$ed on your Post Toasties???

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

Looks like Weis will have a five star quarterback in Lawrence this weekend. Dane Crist. He's spent two years in Weis' system already and can play immediately, one year eligibility remaining. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's the #1 quarterback of the 2008 class. 5th year senior 6'4" pocket passer grooming for the NFL.

We are talking about Kansas football here. We're also talking about our head coach who has 4 superbowl rings.

Has Kansas ever had a five star before?

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

KU football only fans, meet Jaybate. I hope he's not right.

TommieSmithElbow 9 years, 10 months ago

The constant back-and-forth with facts is confusing, and Sam Mellinger in the KC Star believes it is a move of “desperation”.

A summary of many of the argument points:

Coach was hugely successful at one time in his career. He has held a lot of positions at different places, especially lately. He wore out his welcome so he won’t be missed by some of his employers that he has left. He previously coached at a school whose name is synonymous with the highest achievement of the sport, and didn’t deliver a national championship. Considered to be a genius in one of the key aspects of the sport. He doesn’t like recruiting. He doesn’t like to schmooze with the donors. He is not really the age that many thought we should be looking at. He won’t stay long before he leaves for a better job. He is coming to a program that has seen some glory years fairly recently, but now is rock bottom terrible!

Of course, the year is 1983. The hire is Larry Brown, and yes, if Sam Mellinger had been there, he would have called it a move of “desperation”.

I’m not saying that we’re going on a 28 year run of glory, with 2 national championships, but a little perspective is due (and ironic.)

Give him a chance. Give him our support. Enjoy the journey! Rock Chalk!

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

Could not agree more with your final 3 paragraphs. I just saw the press conference and loved his demeanor and what he had to say. We have hired a guy that has had big time coaching experience at the highest levels. Be thankful that we got him. Believe me, he appears very relaxed but his competitive juices run very high and he did not come here to lose. He was embarrassed by his ND experience and he is here to prove himself and he will work hard to do that.

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

Hope Charlie does as poorly at KU as he did at ND.

KUQuelling 9 years, 10 months ago

Where can I find the video of the introduction?

niufan 9 years, 10 months ago

As a NIU fan, I'm a excited that Kansas passed on Dave Doeren of NIU! I wasn't much worried, since Doeren's contract stipulates that any school that hires him before his 5-year contract is up at Northern Illinois University has to pay NIU 1 million dollars to buy out his contract.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

We gave Turner Gill $6M to go away, so $1M to NIU wouldn't have been an issue.

Eric Guinan 9 years, 10 months ago

I think anyone who is not excited about this hire, should, well, not be that way.

There may not be that much black and white in college football, but the OSU beatdown of us this year was clearly such an event; Turner Gill had no idea what he was doing, period. He would have been equally competent flying the space shuttle. OSU took out their starters IN THE SECOND QUARTER. There is no doubt in my mind that 100 points was easily in reach. If your Div. 1 football team can give up 100 points, you are incompetent, or you team is composed of girl scouts. In this case, the former. And, just like any other game, TG couldn't explain why his team was obliterated, because he didn't know himself!

Bottom line: Our program was on life support in terms of attracting recruits, we need bling, we got bling. How did we go from Gill to constant ESPN coverage?

If anyone is wondering how we got from wondering how on earth we should pay Mangino 2M to wondering how we paid Turner Gill 2 M (for nothing) to paying CW 3 M and a private jet, I think the analysis is as follows:

FINALLY, the powers that be, including our resident chancellor/academician Bernadette Gray-Little, realized that KU HAS TO HAVE A DECENT FOOTBALL TEAM. It’s not optional anymore. Why? Money, that's why. Because when conference realignment comes about NEXT YEAR, or the year after that, we need some standing instead of being cast into the Mountain West, or Conference USA, or wherever. We have this great basketball team, right? Who gave a s$@$%it? Nobody. Not the ACC, certainly not the PAC-10, nobody. I gather, but do not know, that a HUGE pile of money in terms of research grants and the like flows from us being a member of the Big 12. A heckuva lot more than paying Charlie Weis 1M more than Turner Gill and giving him free use of the jet to transfer his family back and forth to Florida. It’s not an optional expense for us anymore, it’s a cost of doing business. Just like paying the water bill. Which is great, because being a basketball school ain't much fun in October.

Godspeed Charlie Weis. I'm tired of losing.

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