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Monday, August 15, 2011

Tait

Realignment a matter of perspective

Jayhawks’ only move to remain loyal to Big 12

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Reader poll

Do you think Texas A&M should remain a part of the Big 12 conference?

  • Yes. 48% 832 votes
  • No. 51% 897 votes

1729 total votes.

With Texas A&M; clamoring to bolt for the SEC and the rest of the Big 12 Conference working to keep the Aggies, the future of the league once again is ambiguous at best.

How this all affects Kansas University remains to be seen, but those who will have a say in it have one path to take: They must remain loyal to the Big 12.

I know that stance does not sit well with KU fans panicked about the Jayhawks being left out of a major conference. But that won’t happen. Not this time around.

As was the case last year, football remains the driving force in all of this realignment talk. And, clearly, the Jayhawks are not at the front of the pack when it comes to football, in revenue, performance or tradition.

Because of that, it may seem like the best move for Kansas is to leap, blindly, into the Big East, ACC or Big Ten, should the offer present itself. Nonsense.

Now is not the time for Kansas to be calling the Big Ten or the Big East. The best move for Kansas is to remain loyal to the Big 12 and work toward saving and, above all, strengthening the conference it is in.

Remember, a year ago, Missouri’s infatuation with the Big Ten was leaked, and, in a matter of seconds, the rest of the Big 12 was ready to say good riddance.

The Tigers still are in recovery mode from that move, a fact that was made clear this weekend by the way MU athletic director Mike Alden handled the drama this time around. Like KU, Alden has demonstrated undying loyalty to the Big 12, both behind closed doors and in the media. It’s a good move, one that, in no small way, allows Texas AD DeLoss Dodds and others to say with conviction that the Big 12 nine remain committed to the conference.

People want to say that the Big 12 has been weak, but that’s not entirely true. If anything, the conference has shown great poise and moxie by telling those that want to leave, “We’ll be fine without you.” Somehow, that has been overlooked.

There is some work that must be done to ensure that such a statement rings true. But it’s not an impossible task. And it can be achieved as long as the remaining nine Big 12 schools and their leaders operate with a balance of integrity and savvy.

Remember, the SEC is not threatening to steal Texas A&M.; In fact, a meeting Sunday of SEC presidents and chancellors wrapped with the league saying, it had “reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment. We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league.... No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M.;”

Some reports suggest that the statement merely was the SEC “tapping the brakes” and ensuring that the league was covered in a legal sense.

However, doing so hammered home the point that the mess this time around came about because the Aggies threatened to leave.

It has been my experience in life, and it seems to be the current stance of the Big 12, that when someone wants to quit the team, you tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out.

Still, it would be foolish for KU’s leaders not at least to be looking at other options should Armageddon hit and conference realignment flip into full-on madness. That can be done in-house and behind closed doors and, without question, is happening.

Right or wrong, good or bad, expect KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger to stand on his beliefs through this one. He said as much on Jan. 3, when he was introduced as KU’s new AD, and has backed it up with every move he has made, public and private.

Some see that as a weakness, something that could hurt Kansas in all of this.

I see it as a strength.

Zenger believes strongly in doing the right thing for the right reason at the right time. Getting those out of order can create an even bigger mess, and now is not the time for KU to act above its paygrade like a renegade school looking to solve the problem with one punch.

Former KU athletic director Lew Perkins, though heavily connected, was not always easily trusted.

Perkins, like some of the ADs and presidents we’re seeing at work right now, was notorious for working with people on the front porch and against them at the back door.

More times than not, that benefited Kansas.

But with trust, loyalty and solidarity being what the Big 12 needs to survive, Kansas, and the entire conference, is in better shape with Zenger at the helm, particularly because, unlike Perkins last summer, Zenger has thrown his full attention at this matter and will not blink until it’s resolved.

With Zenger’s brand of leadership, which stresses accountability, morality and pride, it’s much easier for schools such as Oklahoma and Texas — the current power brokers upon which the future of the Big 12 hinges — to want to continue in a partnership with the Jayhawks.

Right now, Zenger has a front-row seat to one heck of a boxing match that’s taking place mostly in Texas. He hasn’t stepped foot in the ring and doesn’t plan to be dragged into it.

As long as he keeps his hands up and his head on a swivel, Kansas will be fine, Big 12 or no Big 12.

Comments

Ben Kliewer 10 years, 3 months ago

I like what you have to say Tait. You got your head screwed on straight. I hope you're right about that last sentence.

hawk316 10 years, 3 months ago

And it looks like Zenger has his head screwed on straight, as well. I think we've got a winner in this guy.

Bill Skeet 10 years, 3 months ago

Gosh, I want to believe that last sentence, but I see no evidence to support the statement, and belief, that Kansas will be fine without the Big 12.

Hank Cross 10 years, 3 months ago

I get the passion, but what exactly are the reasons to stay loyal to the B12?

As far as academics go, the B10 and P12 are superior. That's not open to reasonable debate. As far as athletics go, the SEC casts such a huge shadow, the most that can be said is that the B12 belongs with the next runners-up with the B10 and P12. In BB, 1 NC in the league's existence doesn't exactly speak well.

KU, like any institution, must grow or it will eventually decline. My guess is that KU has already reached its growth potential within the existing B12 footprint. I seriously doubt that any student-athlete or student from Ames to Houston has not heard of KU, KU is on the radar screen in those areas and staying or not staying in all of those areas isn't going to change that. You can only put up so many billboards in one area before effectiveness is lost.

The only logical course of action would therefore to expand into areas where KU is not such a known quanity such as the areas of the P12, B10, or the BE. In those populated areas there are more opportunities not only for recruiting athletes, but also for out-of-state students who will pay out-of-state tuition. It helps that Lawrence is consistently named as one of the best college towns. An influx of out-of-state students to KU could help KS as whole in maintaining an educated workforce.

I guess one could argue that non-revenue athletes might have to travel more and be adversely affected. But, let's not forget that the revenue sports afford them the opportunity to play at all.

Finally, the loss of traditional rivalries might argue against changing conference. But this is really no different than your old high school buddies getting mad because you don't hang with them as much as you used to. KU has much to offer and it shouldn't be concerned about 'keeping it real.'

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

So long as Commissioner Dodds is running the conference through his sock puppet, Dan Beebe, the Big 12 will continue to be a joke. When Texas got the conference headquarters moved from Kansas City to Dallas, the writing was on the wall. Texas was in control and was driving the bus. It's been spiraling downward ever since. Texas with its ego and arrogance is the problem with the Big 12. Then Dodds got caught in a lie. He said he had no idea about programming on the Longhorn Network, and the FOIA request clearly showed differently, unless he's going to say he's clueless about what UT negotiates with its sports network. If Dodds gets his way welcome a return to the SWC when he tries to get Houston or SMU into the conference.

Brad Avery 10 years, 3 months ago

"Now is not the time for Kansas to be calling the Big Ten or the Big East." Now is the perfect time to be calling the Big East. It's a conference where KU would fit. From the perspective of the average Ku fan, the Big 12 was a huge mistake. Now is the time to leave town when the getting is good.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the Big East pays squat compared to the other major conferences.

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

I think they're in line for a new major network deal. Add a few dual-sport schools in there, dump some hoops-only schools, and it will do just fine.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 3 months ago

They really do need to clean out the trash.

They had to add teams to get to twelve for a title game... When they already had like forty teams in their league?

They have put up with Notre Dame playing sports there forever, except in football? I would have cut that crap off at the nutz years ago. "You either play sports with us, or you DON'T play sports with us." What, was Notre Dame adding basketball prestige to their conference? Seriously, they have no spine.

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 3 months ago

They aren't nicknamed "The Big Least" for nothing.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

PAC 16 with OU, OSU, MU & KU is #1 choice, Big 10 with whomever #2. (Some will argue the latter due to time zone issues, but I think KU sees more benefit, and maybe more revenue, in a PAC 16).

That's assuming the Big 12 falls apart. I still think Big 12 minus A&M + Notre Dame, BYU, and a handful of other decent schools (maybe including the state of Florida with USF) to move to 12, then 14, then 16 teams would be the best situation for KU.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

The first thought I had when I read about A&M was that if the Texas legislature were to let A&M bolt without Texas, maybe that would clear the way for KU to pick up a better bid than was available last time. There were rumors, maybe true maybe not, that the PAC-10 wanted KU over TT and maybe even OSU, but they were supposedly getting a package deal with the Texas schools. If the Texas schools don't come as a package, maybe a conference could take just one or two of them, or none of them, maybe leaving a spot for our 'Hawks. Maybe, maybe not, but it seemed more plausible to me this time that we weren't going to get completely hosed in this deal.

Luke Kay 10 years, 3 months ago

Isn't there something about a mineral rights contract that requires the schools to stay together in order to receive annual money? I believe thats part of the reason they attempt to present themselves as a package.

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is Texas conference and were their little bitch. I agree with you that the Big 12 is the 2nd best Football conference and marketed better but when your a Texas puppet you just get your strings pulled. I don't blame aTm for wanting to go to the SEC. I wish we could have bolted to the Pac-12 like CU or the Big 10 (+2) like Neb. Texas doesn't care about the conference. All they care about is Texa$$. If I was the rest of the members of the Big12 (10) I would vote to kick their ass out of the conference. Get off your knees and get Texas d*&K out of your mouth.

F-Texas!!!

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

You are not out of touch or a moron, and you do get it.

Big 12 staying alive is the best case for KU, and it does this by being aggressive and expanding. Notre Dame. I will say it over and over. Notre Dame. If we pick up ND, this conference is immediately stronger. Get BYU on top of that, and this is a whole different situation. There are a number of other teams that would jump at the chance to turn it into a super-conference.

If the Big 12 is serious about staying together, they need to be aggressive and expand. Or they will die. But the previous is the absolute best case for KU.

John_Brown 10 years, 3 months ago

I'll believe this compost outta an Aggie the moment I see a year where the Aggies don't play UL-M/UL-L in their non-conference.

jhawk23 10 years, 3 months ago

Matt, I have great respect for your work, but must respectfully disagree. KU must join the Pac-12 or B1G the next time a hand is dealt in this game of high stakes poker. If Zenger isn't laying the groundwork now for that move then he woefully is failing Jayhawk Nation. Lastly, if we want KU to not end up in C-USA, MWC, or MVC, then we all should be contacting our state senators and representatives and the governor to make sure that a preposterous KSU contingent doesn't marry their fate to ours.

SevenDeadlies 10 years, 3 months ago

I agree.

"Now is not the time for Kansas to be calling the Big Ten or the Big East."

"Still, it would be foolish for KU’s leaders not at least to be looking at other options should Armageddon hit and conference realignment flip into full-on madness. That can be done in-house and behind closed doors and, without question, is happening."

To me these statements contradict themselves. You cannot have an effective backup plan without contacting the other parties, who make the decisions, that are involved. A plan with zero reassurance of success is more like a blind hope. Right now the big12 is better than any other option, bar the big10 if than is considered an option, and should be top priority as Zenger has made it. If Zenger, and his office, do his job correctly there should not be any leaks when exploring contingency plans.(last part may be asking for a whole lot in this day and age)

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

I agree with most of what you're saying, but no leaks? No way does that happen. There are too many "unnamed sources" who are trying to feel important. Zenger will really have to pull one off to get something lined up without the whole world knowing about it!

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

Well said. Amen!!!

Get us out of this Texas ran conference.

F-Beebee & F-Texas!!

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

After the 7th time you've said it, we get it. You don't like Texas.

Viggo3003 10 years, 3 months ago

Matt easy for you to say this until it all blows up and then a year from now you say OOOPs I was wrong, SORRY.

The cowardly and easy path is to do nothing, not control your own destiny and beg for table scraps which I believe is exactly what our brilliant new AD will do.

Sorry not trying to be a downer but you have look at this situation realistically and the best indicator of the future is past performance and events. It is clear that the Big 12 will not last 5 more years if even one more year. Don't kid yourself if Missouri somehow gets the chance to leave for the Big10 or the SEC they will not stand pat.

We should make a move that best serves The University of Kansas and it's student's past and present.

troutsee 10 years, 3 months ago

The hand-writing has been on the wall for over a year. Every team is ready to bolt the B-12. The B-12 is done for. Zenger go find us a BCS conference.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 3 months ago

Good Gawd! Did Texas pay you to write this or Sheahon?!?

It's like your a Royals fan saying baseball is good because it doesn't have a salary cap. Over the next 20 years UT is going to make 300million more than KU. On top of the 5-10 million per year more they will get in unequal tv revenue splits. And it sours not only us, but the rest of the conference.

And stop feeding us this "big 12 is fine" crap. You don't lose a team with huge national appeal like NU, the Denver market, and the school that brings you all of Houston and come out smelling like a rose.

huskercarpenter 10 years, 3 months ago

as long as texas is in the big 12 they will continue to tell everyone how things are going to be and it will only benifit texas and not the conference as a whole 90% of the time. they may toss some table scraps to everyone on occasion, but bottom line if it doesn't benifit texas more than the rest they will whine and threaten to leave as they have done before. i don't think KU should look to leave the conference, they should lead the charge in getting texas ousted. doing that will strengthen every other team in the conference over time. by doing this it would make other great universities a viable option to court, arkanas, tcu, utah, byu, colorado st., boise st., southern mississippi, smu and houston.

getting rid of texas would have been the smart thing to do 2 years ago, the big twelve needs to learn from their mistakes. you can't fix the problem if you don't get rid of what causes the problems to begin with!

kureader 10 years, 3 months ago

Spoken like a Husker.

If Texas' actions are good for us "90% of the time", as you suggest, ... that's good enough. KU and others benefit, financially speaking, from being in the same conference with the Oklahoma and Texas schools. Though the last two years of change in the Big 12 have been stressful, we're now making more money than ever before.

The Big 12 has now had two "dress rehearsals" with teams threatening to leave the conference. Next year, if A&M or MU leaves the conference, the Big 12 will be ready with replacements. The new ESPN contract makes the Big 12 very competitive with the other BCS conferences. And, though most of us don't particularly like the idea that Texas calls most of the shots, we're better off because of them. The alternative is to be in a less prestigious conference or to be in a conference (like the Big East), where the travel schedule for our athletes would be rediculous. We're good where we are.

huskercarpenter 10 years, 3 months ago

what i meant was their actions were good for texas 90% of the time and not the conference. i am a husker 1st, then i root for ku in every other game. i have lived here going on 25 years now and have learned to love ku. i am tired of texas destroying everything. texas a&m, oklahoma and mizzou are tring to leave if they go then there is huge trouble for the rest. the only real good option is to kick them out. nebraska has been telling the conference to stand up to texas for a long time but no one would listen. now the conference is at the verge of falling apart. don't let them fully destroy the conference like they did the swc. again the only good option is to kick them out and do it in a very embarassing way for texas.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

Matt- I think your article is right-on. The comments amaze me. I know there is frustration in the volatily of the situation and I believe that many of my fellow alums and KU fans cannot grasp the reality that KU does not add enough value to the Big 10 or Pac 12 to warrant an invitation on its own. Only when it is apparent the conference is doomed will it be appropriate for the Big 10 or Pac 12 to start to add members from the Big 12.

My understanding is the KU is playing a leadership role in trying to convince the other conference members to stay together. It needs to continue to do this. It could pay off if the conference implode as some of the power brokers- OU and UT- might help KU get to the Pac 12.

For those, who advocate join the Big East now, you need to get another grasp on financial reality. Joining the Big East means a pay cut. The Big East is the weakest BSC conference and will surely need to be restructured. How do you play basketball in a conference approaching 20 members. The Big East will always be available as a fall back position if the Big 12 ceases to exist and there is no home for KU in the Big 10 or Pac 12.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Yes. This is exactly correct. We are not joining the Big 10 or Pac 12 unless the conference implodes. We get into one of those conferences with a group of three other schools (which is a realistic possibility for KU), but not on our own. Work to save the conference, but be ready to move WITH OTHER SCHOOLS if it falls apart. That's the reality.

And the Big East is like 45th on my list of the best move for KU. It's just a terrible idea.

huskercarpenter 10 years, 3 months ago

if you read the artical i posted, oklahoma aproached the big 10 to join but was turned down due to academic reasons. if you don't get rid of texas and oklahoma leaves KU better be ready to do something or KU will be in a deep deep hole.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

I read the article which was a good article. I have to assume that OU wanted OSU, MU and KU as part of the four members. It is hypocritical for the Big 10 to deny OU because of academics given that NU is no longer an AAU member.

huskercarpenter 10 years, 3 months ago

i hear you about the aau, but they decided not to count abricultural reserch and doing that in a time that the world will need that research in my oppinion is not smart, the worlds population is growing at a crazy pace and to not pay attention to that research is their fault not nebraska's. the big 10 looked at it in that way and said publicly that they thought that was a mistake on the part of the aau,

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

Are you kidding me? We can tout our recliners in the end zone! No one ridiculed that, or the knuckleheads who sat in them. We think out of the box.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

The Daily Oklahoman made reference to OU being packaged with OSU and KU for a PAC-12 move, so it would make sense that maybe they were packaged together for a Big 10 move as well. Who knows?

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 3 months ago

The contingency plan message to KU is, if it wants to be taken seriously by the Big 10 or other potential suitors, I state the obvious we have to be seen developing a more consistent winning football program. We can't just be good at football every 5 years or so. We must become more competitive in track and field, baseball, and other so called non revenue sports. Moreover, while we have made progress on football facilities, the track has to go! Thus, we have to put back in motion, the strategic facilities plan making the removal of the track at Memorial Stadium as well as create a stadium environment that that will enable us to consistently draw 50,000 plus every game. As a consequence of removing the track, we must develop a track and field facility that keeps the Kansas Relays an ongoing viable event.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

That doesn't happen overnight and it is not like KU is trying to have a bad football team. Something tells me that the landscape will change before KU will prove to have a competitive football team.

Timing is also critical. I often wondered what would have happened of the realignment issues surfaced a year earlier in 2009 instead of 2010. At that time, KU had a pre season Top 20 football team that had won consecutive bowls. NU was unranked in football. KU was consensus number one in basketball (I know it is not about basketball, but it is still a selling point). What would the landscape be like. Would NU still be in the conference and Pitt or Rutgers be in the Big 10?

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

Matt, I think you do a great job but it appeares pretty obvious to everyone in St.Louis that the Big 12 is a sand castle built on the seashore and the tide is coming in.

Missouri is already exploring the possibility of joining the SEC along with A&M, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech to make the SEC a 16 team "Super Conference".

I would have thought your article would have been better stated if you had simply changed the word "best" to "only".

As much as it pains me, Kansas isn't a player in this high stakes game...we are one of the pawns on the football board. It isn't loyalty or history or tradition that runs college athletics anymore....it's $$$$$$$$$$$.

The sooner everybody realizes that, as much as that sucks, the bettter we will be able to deal with the future.

David Atchley 10 years, 3 months ago

Supposedly....the SEC officials are slowing the process down, taking a look at Texas A&M interest (not the other way around) and if there's not many or expensive litigation potholes along the way, will add them for the 2012 season. There's a chance the SEC will play with 13 teams 2012, until a suitable 14th team emerges as a fit.

The SEC doesn't see TAMU as the "coup" everyone perceives. For the first time in over 10 years, TAMU had a good season last year, in a very "down" year for the Big 12 Conference. TAMU has an opportunity to have another very good season.

What it takes to beat the Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas is a far cry from what TAMU will have to take to the SEC to even compete with Mississippi State, Arkansas and Vanderbilt.

If TAMU repeats with another winning season this year, it could very well be the last year they receive an invitation to any post-season bowl game. That is real revenue that has to be factored into the equation.

The SEC doesn't need what percentage of the Houston television market belongs to TAMU, they don't need the State of Texas for recruiting, Culturally TAMU doesn't fit in the SEC....TAMU's mascot a miniature collie with ribbons in its hair, doesn't fit with Razorbacks, Bulldogs, War Eagles and Gators! The SEC is known for sexy cheerleaders at schools like Florida, Ol' Miss, Tennessee, and TAMU has male cheerleaders that dress in some retro janitorial uniforms.

As long as Oklahoma and the University of Texas remain committed to the Big 12 Conference, and the remaining schools "know their role" the conference will replace the TAMU and Colorados of the world quite easily. Apparently" a "formal offer" will be made to Notre Dame to join the Conference and when they politefully decline, the smart money is on an invitation to BYU to join the Big 12.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

In all due respect, you don't understand A&M and its value. They are not the equivalent of UH or TCU or even Texas Tech. They are a big time programs with over 40,000 undergrads and a huge alumni base that is spread throughout Texas. They have a 90,000 seat stadium and fans who are more passionate than UT fans. The game day atmosphere is like an SEC game. Culturally, they are more like the SEC than UT. The student body is very conservative. They make K-State appear moderate. UT and Austin are viewed as liberal around here. Lawrence is a mini version of Austin.

I have lived in Texas for years and the decription is "Arrogant Longhorns"; "Cultish Aggies"

Make no mistake, losing A&M is a big loss for the conference.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 3 months ago

+100, the descriptions were perfect about UT and A&M.

Hank Cross 10 years, 3 months ago

The the remaining schools must "know their role" ? Whether that was meant as comment bait or in seriousness, it doesn't matter. That attitude typifies UT and why this conference will eventually fall apart. UT's vaunted FB program has won exactly one BCS championship in the league's existence. And that was because Pete Carroll bought his own b.s. and didn't punt on USC's last possession, or didn't kick the FG in the 1st half, or made about a half dozen other questionalble calls. Before that ,UT's last title was in 1970. Awesome. Flash that around the SEC. We saw what happened when UT ran up against an SEC powerhouse in the BCS championship a couple of years ago. Roll Tide!

OTOH in case you missed it when UT was playing the podunk SWC, OU and NE were perennial NC contenders while playing in the B8.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 3 months ago

This is based on fact.

If you want to know how awesome UT is, just ask them.... I'm sure they will tell you over, and over, and over, and over....

When I was in the Air Force I conducted a secret survey.

There were three variables (were you from Texas before the military, were you stationed in Texas during the military, and everybody else) and only one question.

Of the states you have lived in, which state was the best and why?

If they were from somewhere other than Texas (or obviously had never lived there), they gave a legitimate answer and had reasons as to why they enjoyed it. Reasons given ranged from, "The people were so nice," or "The area was beautiful," and "It was a great place for families." ACTUAL RATIONAL THOUGHT.

Often it was California, but Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Washington all had a strong following. If they were stationed in San Antonio they often enjoyed their time in Texas, but I'm giving credit to San Antonio being a heavy military community and a solid place to live (for the most part). However, overall Texas had no strong following with out-of-staters.

If they were from Texas, the answer was ALWAYS Texas. And the reasons given were never REAL reasons. It was always, "Cause Texas is awesome, best state there is," or that ole classic, "Cause Texas is da $h!t, don't mess with Texas!" Seriously, I won't move down there because I'm afraid that my son will be born there, and will be infected with this mysterious disease.

It can only be classified as some inability to appreciate other places. It is an oddity for sure.

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

Don't under estimate the attractiveness of aTm to the SEC. Reasons:

  1. aTm is the second largest university in the state of Texas behind (UT).
  2. SEC would now have a team in the largest state (Best recruiting grounds in the country) in America.
  3. Although aTm may not have dominated the Big 12 like OU & Tx have since the inception of the Big 12 no other team has the best potential due to their long history and tradition.
  4. On the rise. aTm team is getting better and better. They beat Texas last year and their returning a number of good players.
  5. Turning Big12 TVmarket's (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc.) into SEC TV Market's.

I disagree with your cultural comment. No one gives a s*&t what your school members are like. All they care about is if you can benefit the conference and fill the Football stadium.

Texas F-over the conference once and their doing it again with the Longhorn Network. You should start thinking about what is best for the University of Kansas. It is not to be partnered with Texas. F-Texas!!!

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

Well said, Matt. Too bad the article did not come out three days ago. Now the anxiety has taken over.

I especially like this paragraph: People want to say that the Big 12 has been weak, but that’s not entirely true. If anything, the conference has shown great poise and moxie by telling those that want to leave, “We’ll be fine without you.” Somehow, that has been overlooked.

I agree with that. The problem is I still don't trust MU.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 3 months ago

If everyone was getting equal share then I would agree to that. But the conference is held together because we all kissed Texas you know where.

Fred Davis 10 years, 3 months ago

The Kansas football program has to get squared away, first and foremost... Get rid of the track, do whatever is necessary to stop making Memorial Stadium look like a glorified high school stadium. Second, Zenger and the rest of these yahoos need to get with Beebe and tell this guy this conference needs 12 teams, not nine, not ten, not 11. This idea that the league will be fine with 10 teams, even before TAMU talked about bolting is absurd and a recipe for disaster.

The Big 12 needs to go back to being a Power conference, not some glorified mid-major like its being perceived to be right now. Beebe is a puss, I don't care about the new TV deal, because it doesn't amount to squat if the league dissolves... Yes, Texas gets a lot of money, and in the current structure, the rest of the conference is simply standing around waiting for handouts. Ideal? No. But is playing in the Big East? No. Is playing in the Pac-12? Hell no. KU is still getting paid - handsomely. You want some extra revenue? Go generate it. Work your own TV deal, work something with Mizzou or K-State, think outside the box. Make KU an attractive option besides just its basketball program. I don't know Zenger, never met him, and from reading about him, he sounds like a nice guy, but what does that mean? Sure, The Lew looked like he had bodies buried at Lake Clinton, but the dude made some money along the way.

This is a pivotal time for Zenger, KU and the Big 12. If the conference is serious about sticking around, which is vital to KU simply because it is the best fit, then Zenger and the rest of the ADs need to get serious about expanding this conference or fire Beebe and find somebody with the testicular fortitude to make it happen.

David Atchley 10 years, 3 months ago

Well said Freddy....unfortunately until they do something with this hodge-podge, incompetent search committee that is making the decisions like "combing" the Missouri Valley Conference for an Athletic Director, or hiring a football coach from the University of Buffalo. You simply don't have the forward thinking and win at all costs mentality necessary to compete on the football field with the Oklahomas, University of Texas of the world.

If you want an example of a school in the Big 12 that forever was a respectable school in football and basketball, that decided they wanted to become a formidable school with their facilities and program, Kansas should mimic what's going on at Stillwater....

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 3 months ago

A conference that already lost two members, and could very well lose a third within weeks is not 'strong'. Keeping your head in the sand is not a sound long-term strategy. Either the Big 12 needs to expand with some solid programs (Notre Dame, BYU, ect) or it will fold. It's not a matter of if, just how long it will take. KU would be making a colossal mistake to not be perusing a move to the Big Ten or Pac right now.

This 'no...no...it's really a strong conference' attitude by the is moronic.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

You don't think there are behind the scenes discussions with other conferences to see what may be available if the Big 12 folds. The Pac 12 and Big 10 are not interested in adding teams unless the Big 12 folds. You don't think that scenario hasn't been thought out.

It is in KU's best interest to keep the Big 12 viable. Do you think the Big 10 and Pac 12 are licking their chops to bring in KU? They're not. We would look like Missouri if we publicly lobbied to move to another conference.

DocBean 10 years, 3 months ago

Best case scenario, we add Notre Dame after A&M leaves. We'd be a really strong conference with 10 teams, if Notre Dame is one of them.

If not them then BYU. No other school is an improvement for our league, and the bottom dollar. A&M isn't adding anything, there isn't a network in all of Texas that won't still carry Big XII games as long as we have UT.

I hope A&M goes, and we can get Notre Dame or BYU. It would be great for the conference.

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

Notre Dame is not going to join the Big 12. If they ever join a conference it will be the Big 10 (+2). F-Texas!!

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

You know, that is actually a pretty good sell point to Notre Dame. I don't remember UT's position but Osborne never wanted the Conference Championship game because of the odds of that knocking out a team from the NC game. Two instances, both involving K-state come to mind. In 1998 no. 2 K-state lost to A&M in the conference championship. In 2003, K-state Beat undefeated No. 1 OU to knock them out. There are probably more. This is a strong sell point to ND. Would they buy? Don't know, but that would be the third major anchor of the conference and I think I would then believe that the conference would finally be rock-solid stable. Good idea.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

I'm 100% in agreement with your comments. I know it is difficult for alot of the fans to admit that we don't alot of power in this process and we have very limited options.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

If Texas A&M bolts we could change the Conference to:

  • The Bind Nine - brothers-in-arms
  • The Find Nine - always looking for the better deal.
  • The Fine Nine - detailed orientated institutions.
  • The Kind Nine - a gentler, warmer conference
  • The Mind Nine - so much smarter than the rest
  • The Nine Nine - 99 reasons we are great
  • The Rind Nine - committed to the Orange Bowl every year
  • The Rhine Nine - lots of German foreign exchange students
  • The Wind Nine - wound up and ready to ramble
  • The Whine Nine - no one is ever happy
  • The Wine Nine - we may suck but who cares!!

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

I vote for The Kind Nine, although the Rind Nine is a close second.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

I vote for The Kind Nine, although the Rind Nine is a close second.

Luke Kay 10 years, 3 months ago

Something about "The Nine Nine" made me laugh out loud at work, but my favorite is " The Rind Nine"

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

Gee, all this Conference uncertainty must be great for football and basketball recruiting!! :(

David Atchley 10 years, 3 months ago

We're talking "football" that moves the needle in these other conferences, not basketball. Even in the Big 12 Conference, the University of Texas has a tremendous basketball program, well respected and winning coach, a very successful recruiting program (more successful than Self lately) and they still can't sell-out their arena.

Kansas fans, consideration to these other conferences is about "football" and what you bring to the table as respects, your "football program, your television market and your recruiting basis. and fan base (again for football)

The solution to Kansas "football" isn't the Big 10 where there chances against the likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Nebraska, will improve their chances. The solution isn't going to the PAC 12 where they compete against the likes of USC, UCLA, California, Oregon, Arizona and Arizona State.

Kansas' best bet is to hope that OU and UT continue to live in harmony and if so, that will survive the Big 12 Conference. Kansas fans have been content with their mediocre football team, stadium full of visiting team colors, a "multi-purpose" stadium facility, and whatever coach or A.D. is hired, their anthem is "well we at least have basketball"

Until there is a seismic shift in the expectations and demands from the Kansas fan base, to require a more aggressive, first class football program and facilities, the best solution is to let OU and UT continue to do the heavy-lifting and reap the financial rewards from their efforts.

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

Please do not add any more Texas schools. And definitely no former SWC schools. Texas is a conference killer. It will kill this conference in time. It's too bad Zenger and the other knuckleheads will continue to let Dodds and UT run the show.

How can this conference be fine when it lost Nebraska, Colorado and probably Texas A&M? That's 1/4 of the conference in less than two years? What measure of "fine" is that?

Schools want to get into the Big Ten, PAC 12, and SEC. They're lining up to get out of the Big Texas conference. I can't even imagine a legitimate school wanting to join this mess. If a school actually wants to join the Big Nine, no one else probably wants them.

I just wish KU had not neglected football for decades, leaving the school with an antiquated high school stadium and a track running around the field. It may come back to haunt us.

DocBean 10 years, 3 months ago

A&M leaving does not hurt the Big XII. We don't lose any TV sets when they go, there are WAY to many UT grads living in Houston for any network not to carry Big XII games.

However, if MU bolts with A&M, then the Big XII is in real trouble.

The best bet for the Big XII is to add BYU, and Notre Dame. Notre Dame isn't likely to happen, but would consider joining a 10 team conference, if it stays at 10, and they get a big piece of the pie. Fingers crossed for that. I'd give up MU to get Notre Dame in a heartbeat.

Adding either school adds TVs to the Big XII network marketability. A&M would end up putting money in everyone's pockets.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

The Kansas fan base? I agree with a lot of what you say but the fan base has no right to make any demands until they actually sit through a game. Now, the Alum, they have a vested interest yet I don't think I'd say they can demand anything. The people who need to make noise are the Major Boosters. There needs to be a plan to take out the track and expand the stadium and it needs to be tied to successful fund-raising and ticket sales and other measurables that demonstrate support from people other than those who have already stepped up.

I also think we could compete in the Big 10 and PAC12 just as well as we have in the Big12 and we will be getting better. I just like the regionalism. That importance is being overlooked. Keeping with that theme if the Big10 would take us that would be the best move.

Finally, when the conference says, "We'll be fine." That is predominently Texas and OU saying that. Darn right, they will be fine. But, what about Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, TTech, OSU, and MU? Will they really stand together? If MU will pluck out its wandering eye maybe we will make it, but I still think that there is safety in numbers and that if we do not address the addition of members to the conference we will continue to be at risk. And as stated above this will certainly affect recruiting for everyone but OU and Texas. The other schools therefore need to insist on expansion as they will be the most affected by this uncertainty.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

As it stands, fine means, we are making more money from the TV package than we ever did before. The Big East is a pay cut and the other conferences don't want us, at least for the time being. So given, all of that , things are fine.

troutsee 10 years, 3 months ago

The Big 12 is dead. Beebe has been asleep at the switch. Tex AM is busting to leave and so is MU. We have not expanded, as we should have done immediately on NU announcing. OU, OSU, and TU can almost call their shots. Our best fit is the Pac 10, and the sooner the better, if that is even possible. It's every man for himself and the sooner Zenger realizes that, the better.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

Listening to local Houston sports talk radio at lunch and the the host came up with the following idea. No credibility to it at all, but interesting enough for me to share. Say, the SEC takes MU, A&M and Clemson and Florida State from the ACC. Big 12 is left with 8 and ACC is left with 10- why not merge or create some type of partnership? There are rumors that the Big 10 has its eyes on Maryland, and Boston College was never a good fit, so if those two leave, you got two eight team divisions.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wonder if Mike Alden and Zenger have been in contact! We're both AAU schools if I'm not mistaken, the two schools would solidify the St. Louis market and really lock down the KC market. A really awesome rivalry would be packaged just swimmingly for the Big 10, both add to a good basketball league, at least one has a decent football rep as of late (wish that were us). I hate those guys, but I would REALLY hate to see them leave and take our rivalry with them.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

A fortunate move to the Big 10 or Pac 12 for that matter almost assures that K-State is left behind. I can't see either conference wanting the Wildcats. I have to assume that Zenger is looking out for what is best with KU and I have to believe there have been some "what if the conference collapses" discussions with the other conferences. I wouldn't be surprised if everything is already mapped out should Big 12 fold. Missouri does have more options, but KU/MU package would be attractive for either the Big 10 or Pac 12.

Chris1955 10 years, 3 months ago

I think if the Big Ten stays with the AAU membership requirement, you could see them absorbing Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Missouri, and Kansas; all of whom are AAU members. The Big Ten gets the NYC, STL, and KC media markets. It also gets a PSU-Pittsburgh rivalry restarted.

The 16 team conference could be split into 4 divisions, probably with moronic names.

Western Division Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa

Northwestern Division Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois

Central Division Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State

Eastern Division Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Rutgers

In any event, food for thought.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

Don't forget...Kansas State and Kansas, not unlike OU and OSU, are connected as a duo and only the state legislature of that state can break that bind.

Something tells me that is going to be a hard sell in Topeka!!

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

To everyone who thinks a preemptive move to the Big East is something we should do, check out this link and the size of the TV contracts for each conference. Even though the Big East contract is up for renewal, it will probably not come close to the Big 12's. Remember, the Big 12 shares revenue with only 10 schools, the SEC, ACC, Big 10 and Pac 12 share with 12. Bottom line, Big 12 got a great deal from Fox and should be able to get even more in a few years once it's primary rights are negotiated in a few years.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/05/televison-contract-breakdown/

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

Those are the so called third tier rights. I have looked at those numbers and am not sure they are measured consistently. For example, I heard that all Big 10 schools gave up their third tier rights to the Big Ten Network, but I still see some Big 10 schools on this list, but some are not. The Longhorn Network is essentially UT's third tier and they are getting $15M/yr. I have to assume that stations on the KU radio network pay alot to broadcast KU football and basketball games. I also believe that some of the KU basketball games broadcast on ESPN fall under the 3rd tier rights and are not split with the rest of the league. These days I am able watch almost all KU basketball games on TV.

Bottom line is that KU has been successful in adding revenue outside of the conference TV deals. I think you have Lew Perkins to thank for much of that.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

Third tier rights for KU in regards to TV would be JTV and the "Big 12 Network" which is just local affiliates throughout the Big 12 region to broadcast basketball games that aren't on ESPN or CBS.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

The University of Texas has ZERO options for the foreseeable future in regards to them leaving the Big 12. A lot of people have speculated about UT either joining the PAC 12 or going independent, but how are those options. The PAC 12 told UT last year that if Texas could not join the PAC 10 if they intended on going through with starting up the Longhorn Network and since that is scheduled to begin broadcasting next week, UT has zero chance of joining the PAC 12. As for going independent, in order for UT to do that they would have to find a home for everything but football and with the way the Longhorn Network is structured, there is very little appeal for any major conference to add UT. The best UT could do right now would probably be C-USA, but even that wouldn't be a guarantee for UT with their network which means KUkeeping the Big 12 intact and as profitable as possible is UT's top priority which means they want the Big 12 to stay as strong as possible in football without threatening their ability to reach a BCS bowl and win the conference. As it stands, in most seasons all UT has to do to win the Big 12 is beat Oklahoma and they will win the Big 12 or at the very least, play in a BCS game.

Why is this beneficial to KU? Because as long as Texas and Oklahoma are in the Big 12 conference, the Big 12 will be receiving a shiny new TV contract from ESPN that will likely be worth at least $2-2.5 billion dollars which combined with the $1.2 billion FSN contract means that the Big 12 will have a total TV deal worth anywhere from $3.25-3.75 billion. This would push KU's total TV revenue from football and basketball combined to somewhere in $25 million per year range and possibly more than that. Texas would likely receive over $30 million in addition to the $15 million per year that the Longhorn network will provide them. Texas is not going to do anything to jeopardize that kind of TV money they will have coming their way in a few years and Kansas would be stupid to voluntarily leave a conference where they are currently making between $14-17 million with the potential to make about $25 million per year in TV revenue alone. That is more money than KU could make in any other conference with the Big 10 being the only conference that KU would be close to making the same amount of money as the Big 12. In the Big East, KU would make under $10 million a year as the Big East has separate football and basketball contracts, but even after the Big East gets their new football deal, their TV deals would likely only be around $1 billion. In the ACC, KU would make about $13 million per year. In the PAC 12, KU would make a little under $18 million which is barely more than KU is making now. As I said the Big 10 would be the only conference where KU would make anywhere near what they could in the Big 12, but while current Big 10 schools make about $22 million, that total would go down to about $20 million if they added two more schools.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

Having said this, can anybody tell why it would be in KU's best financial interest to voluntarily leave a conference where they will be making more money (by several million dollars per year) than in any other conference, especially considering that Texas has no other realistic option other than to keep the Big 12 together and as profitable as possible for everyone for their own benefit.

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

I believe I read recently that the Big East is due for a new TV deal soon and, if they reorganize the conference, it could very well be a good one. I think they are looking at how to maximize it.

Sure, I guess we could sell ourselves to DeLoss Dodds and his sock puppet Beebe to do with as they will. What does that make us? When does it end and where does it leave us if they decide that Dodds and his gang want to pursue better options at some point? Beebe will be fine. He sold himself to Dodds way back in the SWC scandal days and got rewarded by being a highly paid sock puppet in UT's new conference.

We either learn to take care of ourselves, and do something about the ability to do so, or we could find ourselves in a bad position one of these days trusting Dodds and Texas. Dodds is looking out for Texas, not Kansas or anyone else. Texas will cut our throats without so much as a by your leave if it suits their purposes.

If we have to stay in the Big Nine for a while, then so be it. But let's not pretend it's just fine.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

Let's say the Big East negotiates a contract that pays its team a couple million dollars a year more than the Big 12 which is highly unlikely. The additional windfall will all be eaten up (and more money spent) on travel costs of the non-revenue sports. Instead of bus trips to Manhattan, Stillwater and Columbia, it's flights to Morgantown, Stoors, and Tampa. Fort Worth and Louisville are the current closest teams and they are too far to bus.

Maracas 10 years, 3 months ago

Not if there are eastern and western divisions where a school stays pretty much in its region most of the time with a few odd games with the other division now and again.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

If the Big East does expand and start swallowing up schools in an armageddon scenario, they would probably go for a 16/24 team conference setup with 16 football schools and 24 basketball schools and have some type of pod system with four 4 team pods in football and four 6 team pods in basketball and use a scheduling method based on what the WAC used in the mid-90's when they had 16 teams.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

To answer your question, there is no reason to jump. If you look at this logically and have any sense of business acumen, you do exactly what KU is doing which do whatever you can to keep the conference together.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

The Big East is different from every other BCS conference in that they have separate football and basketball TV contracts. Their current football contract is set to expire at the end of 2013. That current deal is worth a little under $35 million per year (6 years, $200 million). Their new deal which will be benefited by having TCU in their conference will probably end up in the $40-45 million per year range and would probably end up being about $500 million for 12 years.

The Big East's current basketball deal is the same amount as their current football deal (6 years, $200 million) and it expires at the end of this season. Speculation has been that their new deal will end up in the $450 million range for 12 years. This means that the combined deal for the Big East will likely not even reach $1 billion combined between the football and basketball contracts.

I'm pretty sure KU has learned how to "take care of themselves" because it would be very stupid to take a public stance against their best option to make the most money which is the goal in a capitalist market which is what the NCAA has become. In the event that the Big 12 does cease to exist before the 2015 TV contract goes into effect, KU has been very smart about this as well by allying themselves with Oklahoma so that if Oklahoma goes anywhere, they are taking KU with them. By staying in the good graces of Texas and Oklahoma, KU is maximizing their value in a conference that will soon have TV contracts worth over $3 billion dollars and will be second only to the SEC in total worth.

As I said, it is in KU's best interest financially in the long run to stay in the Big 12 because while Texas may run the conference and make more than everyone else, they are also going to be making more money for everyone else in the process and would easily be able replace anyone who leaves (except for Oklahoma football and Kansas basketball) with schools that would be just as competitive and not decrease the value of the Big 12 brand. There's an old saying that you don't kill the golden goose and right now the golden goose for KU's financial future is Texas and Oklahoma football.

rob4lb 10 years, 3 months ago

The Big East is going to have to do something like split off the basketball only members. If dooms day hits and the Big East brings in KU, KSU, MU and Iowa State, they will have over 20 basketball schools. If you split the 450M with 20 schools, that's only a couple of million per team per year.

KU has no history with any Big East school. Sure if this keeps MU, K-State and KU together, that would be a good thing.

That being said, I think we are in agreement that the present path is the best path and that a preemptive move to another conference would not be very wise.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

The Big East commissioner has said previously that the Big East is a basketball first conference is interested in adding new media markets when they add new members in the future and would make the conference work regardless of the number of members. A statement like that gives me the impression that Big East will take in anybody that's willing to go to the Big East as long as they add new media markets. Because of this, I could see the Big East doing something similar with their basketball scheduling to what the WAC did in the mid-90's with football in regards to scheduling where the conference is split into 4 regions and base the scheduling around the 4 regions. So let's say the Big East has 20 schools, divide up into 4 five team regions, play home and away against your division and play 2 other divisions each season and rotate each year. Is it ideal? No, and will destroy some old rivalries? Yes, but the Big East is already doing a good job of that now with 16 and soon to be 17 members in basketball and the unbalanced schedule they have.

David Atchley 10 years, 3 months ago

I believe lost in many of these points is we're talking about "Kansas" and how the mediocrity of its football program, the tolerance and apathy of their alumni and fan base towards their football program,its search committee and results in football over its entire existence, finds them hoping to be considered by a super conference, or hoping OU and UT will remember them at their respective negotiations.

Of course its about TAMU defecting to the SEC and what hope does the Big 12 have, particularly schools like Kansas. Its not the Longhorns begging the SEC for admission. You see, regardless of a 5-7 season last year, they continue to have the top recruiting class in the nation.In spite of a setback, they sign a $300M contract with ESPN, and alumni dollars continue to roll-in.

The saying on the UT campus is if its a new trend on at UCLA on Monday, its made it to Austin by Thursday. Look beyond the football program at UT and see how their alumni dollars have afforded them the very best coaches and facilities in basketball, baseball, swimming, golf, tennis, women's softball, soccer and volleyball,

This train has been gaining momentum and rolling down the track for the last 12 years thanks to the genius that is Deloss Dodds and his team of very savvy Assistant Athletic Directors in Chris Plonsky, Butch Worley, John Bianco, Jim Baker, etc..You want some names of possible Athletic Directors? Instead of being disappointed when a Missouri Valley Athletic Director from Tulsa shirks your offer, and you panic and hire your second choice from Illinois State, look at the lieutenants under Deloss Dodds, or look further at assistant athletic directors at Alabama, or Florida, or other schools controlling their destiny and putting dollars in their school facilities and points on the scoreboard.

If you want someone that has been in the trenches and learned from the best, how to build the best, see what they have accomplished during the same time period as the other Big 12 schools in terms of alumni dollars, network and television contracts, facilities, coaching hires, and winning percentage in the last 10 years in all sports,

Only then will you begin to understand how powerful they've become as a football program as an athletic program, that ESPN wants to partner with the next 10 years for $300M. So "yes" if you're a Kansas, and continue to stumble and fumble with your choices and decisions on how to build a football program and athletic department, or raise real alumni dollars, or influence your state government to give your university every opportunity afforded to them.

Its these critical mistakes that are made over and over that has Kansas in the position it finds itself . So "yes" until Kansas can put all their energy and all their resources behind making their football program as successful and prestigious as their baskeball program, then the solution is "know your role."

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 3 months ago

Ouch, great rant. I hope someone other that us, the powerless, reads this.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

I have been splitting season tickets and driving down from Omaha for 15 years now. For 5 years before that, I made the short trek from KC. And for 4 years on the hill, I never missed a football game. I grew up in Omaha, and was raised to love football as much as Kansas kids were raised to love basketball. But Kansas football fans, by and large, don't give a crap about football unless it's winning. It's hard to hear, but it's true. When I was at KU, from 1986 to 1990, the UDK was filled with letters to the editor about how lame the football team was, but every weekend the stands were half empty before halftime. If Kansas fans want their football team to start mattering more in college football, step 1 is to get off their couches and go to games. And not only when we're winning the Orange Bowl! I've heard we need to take out the track, and I completely agree, but as it stand right now, it will just be to install another seven or eight thousand empty bleachers, so what's the point. Our basketball team is AWESOME, but we need to make people want our football team, too, and 15K empty seats isn't exactly going to sell the benefits of having Kansas in your conference.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 3 months ago

I say the same thing everyday. Except instead of 18 paragraphs I use two words... Fire Gill!

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 3 months ago

...but I artfully combined all 18 paragraphs into one, giant run-on paragraph!

mikehawk 10 years, 3 months ago

You got it perfect, Matt. Enough said...for now. The ability to adjust to a fluid situation is critical in these instances. I feel much better with Dr. Z at the helm than with his predecessor.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 3 months ago

How about ku Osu OU and aTm to the pac12. Hmmmmmmmmm? Cu UT Osu OU Ku Asu UofA all in a division.

And now I have given every possible combination of realignment. So when it does happen I can say "told you so!"

Sparko 10 years, 3 months ago

Most of the comments here are delirious. Again, the Big XII has an enormously good TV deal. The conference will need to expand, but will make extra money in the near term. The travel costs of the Big XII are very tolerable, and the schools are competitive in all major sports. Next.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 3 months ago

If your worried about travel cost I'll remind you that our women's basketball team is in Italy right now, our swimming team spent a week in key west, baseball and softball always make it to one of the coast, and hoops will be in Maui next thanksgiving.

Frequent flyer miles alone will pay for 10 years of in conference flights.

sshroyer 10 years, 3 months ago

The Big 12 is the Terri Schiavo of college athletics. Pull the plug already.

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