Friday, August 12, 2011

KU AD Sheahon Zenger working hard to protect Jayhawks’ conference interests

Sheahon Zenger was introduced as KU's new athletic director on Monday, Jan. 3, 2011, during a press conference at Hadl Auditorium.

Sheahon Zenger was introduced as KU's new athletic director on Monday, Jan. 3, 2011, during a press conference at Hadl Auditorium.


Kansas University’s future in the Big 12 Conference — or any other conference, for that matter — may be a little more in doubt today than it was a few weeks ago, but it’s not because of a lack of focus from the school’s athletic director.

Sheahon Zenger, still in his first year on the job, told the Journal-World Friday afternoon that he had been charging his phone every couple of hours during the past few days to make sure that it was able to handle the volume of calls he has made and received regarding Texas A&M;’s desire to leave the Big 12 and how that might impact KU.

“The Kansas faithful can rest assured that we have been in constant contact and remain in constant contact with the conference office and the other athletic directors within this league,” Zenger said. “We have been given assurances by the other schools and the conference office that the other nine of us remain steadfastly committed to this league.”

The same obviously cannot be said for A&M.; Last summer, the Aggies were involved in serious and public flirtations with the SEC. But a proposal put together by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe and the rest of the Big 12’s institutions enticed A&M; to stay put. For a while, anyway.

Now, after a couple of weeks of grumbling, similar reports regarding the Aggies to the SEC have surfaced, and a move to the SEC seems to be more likely than ever.

Thursday night, the site reported that the Aggies had agreed and accepted an invitation to join the SEC. A couple of hours after that report surfaced, The Sporting News released a story that quoted a high-ranking SEC official as saying that simply was not true.

Regardless of what’s true and what’s not, Zenger said the Big 12 remains committed to keeping A&M; in the fold, if possible, and, above all, remains committed to preserving the conference. Whether that means the Big 12 would move forward with nine teams, add a team to stay at 10 or add three teams to jump back to 12 remains to be seen and won’t be worked out until A&M;’s move becomes official.

“I have great respect for Texas A&M; and what they bring to the table,” Zenger said. “They’re welcome to be a member of our league, I just hope, should they stay, that they find a way to be happy.”

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman, “it looks to me like they’re leaving.” Bohls also reported that Dodds said the Big 12 could survive with nine teams, but that the UT staff was working on a list of names for possible replacements should the league elect to go that direction.

In addition to Texas, Oklahoma’s happiness represents a huge piece of the puzzle for the Big 12’s survival.

While the latest rumors of A&M;’s departure have made the biggest splash in the athletic world, the move, should it happen, appears to be driven by Texas A&M;’s board of regents and president.

Sources said that a final decision likely won’t be made until the issue makes its way through the Texas legislature, which has strong desire to keep Texas, Texas A&M; and Texas Tech tied together. However, that was before A&M;’s regents moved their previously scheduled Aug. 22 meeting up to Monday, one day before the legislature is scheduled to meet on the issue of “matters pertaining to higher education, including collegiate athletics.”

One report Thursday said the SEC had offered A&M; a spot and that the regents could vote to accept the invitation at their upcoming meeting.


ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 10 months ago

Zenger, I f you believe the other AD's, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you. Step up man! Jump ship while we can!

Sam Brockert 6 years, 10 months ago

Yea lets be like Missouri was last year!!! Say we are jumping ship and then have a conference basically say they don't want us

Stan Unruh 6 years, 10 months ago

The media loves to run with all the speculation. The Gov. of Texas made an off handed comment and the fuse is lit. Texas A&M may not be thrilled with UT but do they really want to spend the $ it would cost to jump to the SEC. It's probably not wise, considering the economy. Most of what we are being told is purely to sell papers and attract viewers. It's working but a waste of energy.

Stan Unruh 6 years, 10 months ago

Sorry ahpers, that article is a perfect example of media hype. Now a state legislator is running to jump in the middle of the speculation. Politicians are as bad as the media. If the Texas legislature is concerned about funding, why waste time and $ to jump to another conference? Zenger will keep KU viable. He's on top of the situation.

Ben Kliewer 6 years, 10 months ago

I think the obvious question that nobody is asking is "Does the SEC even want A&M?" Does A&M carry that much clout to be so desired by (as much as I hate to admit it) college football's most powerful conference?

Kevin Randell 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree partially with the two previous posts. However, I am just assuming here and we all know what happens when we do that.......but I am assuming that this AD is actually coming up with some backup plans. Yes, I would like the Big 12 to stay, but we all see the writing on the wall. It will get to the point where there will be 4 mega conferences in college football. It is sad to say, but may be we shouldn't jump ship...but this is becoming an every man for himself situation.

David Atchley 6 years, 10 months ago

I have heard that never in a million years will the Big 12 take "Houston High" and all eyes seem to be on TCU to solidify the DFW market. It will be interesting to see if there's any turncoats in the SEC willing to consider the Big 12...Arkansas would be obvious, but they're still pissed at Texas from the SWC breakup!

Hammertoe 6 years, 10 months ago

If A & M leaves, the Big 12 may take the University of Houston. The population is twice the size of the entire state of Kansas. A & M hasn't brought much to the Big 12 anyway. Theie record in bowls is horrible, Insignificant in basketball. Texans love their football and football is king.

LakeShawnee 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't know if I would say six consecutive appearances in the NCAA men's basketball tournament and being the reigning NCAA women's basketball champion is "insignificant."

Agree with you though that football is king in TX.

Brad Boline 6 years, 10 months ago

Please don't talk about the welfare sports like women's basketball, Men's football and basketball are the priority, mainly football end according to my sources KU has more BCS wins then A&M.

Pitthawk34 6 years, 10 months ago

Why are you still here on our board? Isn't there a MEOW board that you can be with your fellow cats. Must be pretty patheic being a cat fan if you have to come on here to have discussions.

billselfistheman 6 years, 10 months ago

The Big 12 is done, its time to accept that and do everything we can to find a good conference. Here is what KU's priority shold be

1- Get in the Big 10 2-Pac 12 3 Big East

Zenger needs to be on the phone right now with the Big 10.

Pitthawk34 6 years, 10 months ago

I would throw the ACC in there at 2 because they may have a slot open if FSU leaves. I would take the ACC over most others.

Pitthawk34 6 years, 10 months ago

The Big East and Pac 12 teams are not necessarily in our backyards.

Ben Kliewer 6 years, 10 months ago

That's why we need to be in the Big 10, it's the only logical fit, and we could probably lump it together with Mizzou and KSU...hell, if they wanted to round out a 16 team power conference, maybe they'd take ISU and we could compete with them and Northwestern for bottom-of-the-pile.

Ryan Mullen 6 years, 10 months ago

The Big 10 is not a good option for the future. People are moving south not north. Population decline will continue in states such as Ohio and Michigan. People are going where it is warmer and where the jobs are, and that is Texas.

Ben Kliewer 6 years, 10 months ago

By the time this situation is relevant, there will be no more college football, because there will be no more colleges, because we'll have all knowledge directly downloaded into our brains.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 10 months ago

Zenger then said he needed to hurry home to plant some magic beans and feed his unicorn that the other ad's were sending him as a show of faith.

justinryman 6 years, 10 months ago

and yet you are still not funny. Never have been, never will be.

Did your dad not hug you enough as a kid?> Or maybe your mom hugged you too much????

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't know, ahperse drives me crazy, too, but I liked the magic beans comment!

rob4lb 6 years, 10 months ago

I live in Houston and UH makes no sense. UH does not secure the Houston market. UT and Tech and A&M are all more popular than UH. UH is decent academically, but still pretty much a commuter school. It's funny how everyone trashes A&M performance on the field (of course, they have pretty much dominated KU on the football field). Clearly that is not the only criteria. A&M has a lot to offer and their departure will be a big loss to the Big 12-3.

I'm sure if A&M leaves, the rest of the conference will try to stay together. I am more curious (and, of course, no one is going to confess to this) and fascinated about any conversations Zenger has has with any other conference.

Finally, someone here needs to comment on whether or not, KU can freely break away from K-State should an attractive offer come from another conference. I suspect they are not bonded together and if push comes to shove, KU would be able to split.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

One thing Houston DOES bring to the table - there is no argument about the initials. It is UH, not HU. It is important for any team that is to be considered for our conference to have the whole initial thang down.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

Since both Senators from Kansas are KSU grads I expect a major issue in Congress. They will not allow KU to go the Big10 while KSU goes to the Mountain West. The short version is that we will end up with a playoff system that will somewhat negate the separation between the stronger and weaker conferences. For revenue, there will be some kind of pool ACROSS THE BOARD and revenue will be shared by member schools based upon a complicated formula that is fair, yet greater for larger schools. It will have very little to do with branding. Academics for athletes will be an issue because anyone with a cause against the direction college sports is going will be sought out. That is what I see happening if the conference implodes.

If it does not implode, is it viable with 9? Yeah, but then we still have Texas and all the uncertainly and insecurity related to that. My gut feel is that we need to dilute their influence with the addition of three more schools.

Hank Cross 6 years, 10 months ago

Here's what UH brings to the table - it will be subservient to UT, which is UT's goal. NE stood up to UT and even made them kick a last-second, open-all-the-doors-in-the-stadium FG to win the B12. Dodds then leveraged the P10 offer to force the B10 to take NE.

Pitthawk34 6 years, 10 months ago

They are not bonded but the KSL will put up a fight for political reasons but when judgment day arrives and if only one school has an opportunity to be in a BCS conference they would be allowed to part ways. To save face the KSL will force a annual game between the 2 schools. This is my understaning from what I heard at last years circus.

David Atchley 6 years, 10 months ago

Rob...just commented above yours about the very thing. I have heard from very reliable sources that "Houston High" won't be a consideration. TCU is a consideration....

Ben Kliewer 6 years, 10 months ago

It seems like when TCU was considered in the past that they didn't represent a big enough gap in the TX market to include into the formation of the original B12. However, with A&M gone, they might fit in. I don't know. I think geographically it would be better than the BEast.

texashawk10 6 years, 10 months ago

Completely agree that UH is not a realistic option for the Big 12 at this time. Robertson Stadium and Hoffheinz Pavillion need major upgrades to become BCS conference ready facilities unless they agree to play their bigger games at Reliant Stadium and Toyota Center. One option nobody is really talking about as an option is Memphis. Granted their football team is absolute crap, but the CEO of FedEx (who is a huge Memphis booster) has said he would pay any BCS conference $10 million a year to accept Memphis. An extra $1 million a year would be a nice way to fund some of the non-revenue sports and get another bottom feeder that can be an win for KU most seasons in football.

kuhawkster 6 years, 10 months ago

I seriously hope that Mr. Zenger is not only in constant contact with the Big twhatever and the AD's, but also every conference Commissioner from the PAC12 to the Big East. If the ship does sink, I know our fans will plenty unhappy with a response of 'Well, we were in constant contact with the Commissioner the whole time and didn't see this coming.'

Ryan2845 6 years, 10 months ago

That was my first reaction too. He's not "working hard for our interests" if he's just chatting with KSU while the ship sinks around us both.

haydenhawkco 6 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. They can fend for themselves. With them in tow, we'll be in the MWC or Conf USA.

Phoggin_Loud 6 years, 10 months ago

“I have great respect for Texas A&M and what they bring to the table,” Zenger said. “They’re welcome to be a member of our league, I just hope, should they stay, that they find a way to be happy.”


How about "We really enjoyed having Texas A&M in our conference, however all 9 other schools unanimously voted to remove them from our conference and we are in discussions with 3 potential new members who actually want to be a part of a strong and growing conference."

Enough, already. Grow a pair, Big XII and go on the offensive and add some new teams to solidify the conference.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

Now, that last comment I very much agree with. Why didn't we get really punitive when we nearly collapsed last year. Schools that bolt need to be hit hard, even with lawsuits. But I would also like us to remind Texas how great the Big12 has been for them. When they were in the SW Conference they were hardly noticed. It is time to stop acting like we need them so bad. Truth is the Big12 MADE Texas what it is today. Also agree that we need to attract some teams. Wish we had done this last year and had gotten Utah. Still think Arkansas would leave SEC, who knows who else would actually leave the SEC if we had the fortitude to ask. LSU, Arkansas, Miss would all do better in our conference. Maybe we could get Iowa too. We have to start acting like this is a quality conference or the next thing we know we will be like the ACC.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 10 months ago

Zenger went on to say that things are going so good that the other AD's wanted to meet with him on the 9th green at 9 o'clock and he was to wear something nice.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

Zenger - I thought we were going to be just friends.

aherse - What? Friends listen to "Endless Love" in the dark.

KGphoto 6 years, 10 months ago

That's "A herpes" with an "s". It's a word scramble.

KU_Alumn_2000 6 years, 10 months ago

Persey - I got to admit...sometimes you bring a good laugh to the boards.

blackhawkjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

The reason for KU to leave is simple, we'll go through this again next year and the year after that. Without A&M to somewhat balance the power, we might as well move the Big 12 offices into Mack Brown's walk-in closet.

We're in a tough spot, and everyone should realize it - instead of acting like there is some magical simple solution. To me, the move east makes the most sense. Late night games in the west will destroy our one strong program. Buy into a conference that will help us keep what we have and hopefully, finally, one day, we'll get a football program.

To me the Big East is the obviouse best choice, unless we could broker a new conference with some of their members and other choice schools.

rob4lb 6 years, 10 months ago

The new scenario of the day that is getting alot of play is that if A&M goes to the SEC and it is decided that the conference cannot stay together, Tech/ UT and OU/OSU move to the Pac 12. The new Pac 12 network has 6 regional networks and they could use the Longhorn Network as a seventh network and make some special arrangement with UT. UT does not want independence. That scenario all but forces KU to get into the Big East.

Luke Kay 6 years, 10 months ago

Exactly, Texas' greed has made them unappealing to every other conference. The PAC12 won't let them in with there own network, same with the BIG10. The SEC has never shown interest. Independent or Mountain West might be there only options. They need to be fighting harder than most to save the Big12

Chris Bailey 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm not a fan of A&M. If they leave I hope we are able to keep the conference together and pick up another school that is tired of their conference! Maybe Arkansas would entertain the possiblity who knows (I doubt it)! I hope they don't leave but I'm not gonna beg someone to stay when all they're going to do is whine and complain. Who knows how long they will remain happy if they stay this time? If they're going to leave get it over with so we can start searching for another 1-3 schools!

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 10 months ago

Maybe someone already mentioned this, but I'm pretty sure I remember when Zenger was hired, it was specifically mentioned that he had ties to the Big 10 and that was a selling point in his resume. Am I remembering that right?

rob4lb 6 years, 10 months ago

I think that was the guy who turned us down Bubba Cunningham, but I may be wrong. Zenger came from Illinois State and not sure of his personal ties to any o the Big 10 schools. The school he is most tied to is K-State.

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 10 months ago

Yep, you're right, I remember that now.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 10 months ago

Bubba was from ND

You guys are thinking about what everybody with a brain was asking the committee to do, hire someone with ties to the big10...they did the opposite!

Clarence Haynes 6 years, 10 months ago

Pure speculation on your part whether Zenger where Zenger has ties.

Clarence Haynes 6 years, 10 months ago

Sorry rephrase: Pure speculation on your part where Zenger has connections. It is my understanding that he has served on NCAA Committees where interaction with officials from other conferences would have taken place.

David Atchley 6 years, 10 months ago

Nothing against Zenger, he won the lottery getting picked to be an A.D. of a Big 12 Conference school. However, apparently last year's fire drill for conference realignment was heard loudly by everyone except the crack search committee for Kansas. Recall their disappointment when they didn't get the Missouri Valley Athletic Director from Tulsa? So their alternative was an A.D. from Illinois State?

When the vision of your search committee doesn't extend past the Missouri Valley conference for replacements, perhaps its Zenger's influence in the MVC that will give Kansas some consideration. If the MVC grabs Memphis, Louisville, Houston, Baylor, Kansas State, they can instantly become a formidable "super-conference" of sorts and particularly during basketball season.

Its about TV markets, and Kansas has Kansas City (31 largest in the country) and Wichita and Topeka to offer an interested network. Kansas only has that to offer during basketball season, as they simply don't have the fan support or following to apply any numbers to contemplate. The University of Texas puts a very competitive basketball team on the court each season, usually goes deep in the tourney, and they can't sell-out their arena.

Kansas has historically provided the excuse they're a basketball school when it came to their performance during football season. Perhaps the above scenario of a "basketball" driven conference would bundle those similar type schools and create an interest.

Jayhawk444 6 years, 10 months ago

What doesn't make sense to me in all of this is why would the SEC would add Texas A&M but nobody else...13 teams? It seems they would want to add 1 or 3 teams in addition to Tex A&M to keep league balance. So this talk about "if Texas A&M leaves we will just sit tight with our remaining 9 teams" might be moot because the bombshell will probably be a whole lot bigger than a simple Texas A&M-to-SEC move.

Matt Tait 6 years, 10 months ago

Here's my latest blog entry. Good links that address that 14th team. Florida State? Someone from the ACC? Missouri???? Check it out.

David Atchley 6 years, 10 months ago

Your article had me up until the very last sentence when you prognosticate that BYU, Notre Dame or Arkansas may be a consideration in the Big 12. If anything, Texas does go independent, Swarbrick at Notre Dame and Dodds at UT are very close friends and substantive discussion of starting their own elite conference has been discussed.

This would consist of BYU and the Salt Lake City Market, Notre Dame's NBC contract, and of course the Longhorns and their new network. They would attempt to attract other schools with similar demographics, large fan base, large tv market and influence, large endowment to their university, winning football tradition.

Add that equation to who might be a candidate to join an elite conference with those for Arkansas...they have such a disdain for Texas and UT alums from the SWC dismantling, there's no way Arkansas wants anything to do with Texas or Oklahoma.

eastTXjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

the more i think about this, i just don't care what conference we're in. in hoops (the sport we concern ourselves about the most) if you're good enough to win games, you make the tournament. if you win a lot of games, you're a #1 seed, in some cases, despite your conference (re: Memphis under Cal.)

moving to another conference (not the Big 10 or SEC) would actually help our other teams, at least have easier conference schedules, which should equal more wins.

this is only from an athletic point of view, and doesn't consider the $'s an institution would lose in TV contracts and the like.

i'm not smart enough to know what it means from an academic point of view, but i'm not sure that anyone cares, as none of this has anything to do with academics.

John Mueller 6 years, 10 months ago

Billselfpost nailed it up above.

We need to get out now and get the best deal we can get based on his top 3 choices.

Big 12 is dead and everybody in Texas knows it.

Fair question about SEC, 13 seems an odd number, but if they grow, they probably steal from ACC, not Big 12.

We need out of Dodge, now! If we don't become proactive with our exit, we will be in a conference with Hutch juco.

John Mueller 6 years, 10 months ago

East Texas, u must be a squirel hunter cuz your dead wrong. If not in a good conference , KU basketball will suffer.

Bill Self will leave for one. You think he wants to be in a conference with hutch juco?

Dumb comment.

eastTXjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

you should be a little more honest and say the real reason you don't want to be in a conference with Hutch is that they would whip us in football.

Josh Galler 6 years, 10 months ago

If TAMU leaves lets bring in Houston, BYU, and TCU (if we can pry them from Big East committment)

Gregor Southard 6 years, 10 months ago

I can tell you they're taking it seriously here in Tennessee.

Mike Barnhart 6 years, 10 months ago

"Go west young man!"

KU, K-State, Missouri & Iowa St. need to hook up with TCU, UNLV, Boise, San Diego State, New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming and Air Force and form a brand new conference.

Some very solid basketball programs: KU, K-State, San Diego State, UNLV & New Mexico.

And some very solid football programs: Boise, TCU, Missouri & Air Force.

This wouldn't hurt the basketball program one bit and, to be honest, it would probably HELP the football program! Because, don't kid yourself, we're NEVER going to win the BCS championship in a power football conference. However, we just might be able to make some Boise/TCU type noise in a smaller conference.

Pitthawk34 6 years, 10 months ago

San Diego State had one or two good seasons therefore I would not consider them a solid basketball program.

Mike Barnhart 6 years, 10 months ago

The Mountain West is still quite a bit better than C-USA. A big upgrade with four Big 12 additions.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 10 months ago

That would be option #4, that is joining a new MWC.

1 Big 10

2 Save the Big 12 and add TCU

3 Pac-16

One thing for sure, our decision should have nothing to do with KSU or Methsewery.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

Well, we missed it last year when we did not reach out to Utah and TCU. I also think Air Force would not be a bad move. Of course I have also been a big believer that we should grow a pair and pursue Iowa and Arkansas and perhaps some other SEC schools like Kentucky. Then we should of let A&M hogtie UT last year and told them its equal footing for all, that we will start a conference network, and if that is unacceptable, then don't let the door hit you in the backside. Meanwhile we have equal sharing of revenue and very punitive action against schools leaving the conference or even talking publicly about it. We screwed up last year and I say again, Texas did not make the Big12. The Big12 made Texas. Just ask them if they would like to go back to the SW Conference days. I just wish they would go away.

kuilander 6 years, 10 months ago

sorry, this was meant for jjjjhok up above!

Mike Barnhart 6 years, 10 months ago

A couple more things about merging with the mid-sized teams out west:

TV markets - St Louis, Des Moines, KC, Dallas, Denver, Vegas, San Diego and all of New Mexico, Idaho & Wyoming. Not bad.


ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 10 months ago

Ku and Mu Ou and Osu

To the PAC12. Put them in a division with Cu, Utah (Are they UU or U of U), and Arizona schools. PAC gets Okc, Kc, and Stl markets. Travel schedules are not to terrible and everyone gets paid!

Brad Avery 6 years, 10 months ago

KU's conference schedule 2012-13 to include:


Notre Dame



St. John's


West Virginia





Bring it on, Big East.

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 10 months ago

Maybe we can find form a conference with Greenland or Iceland so students could really be challenged with on a road trip.

Brad Avery 6 years, 10 months ago

KU is a basketball school. We might as well go where the other basketball schools are. Besides Austin and the rest of the Texas schools are not exactly right around the corner either (12 hours or so) and we might win a few more football games. For the average fan, the Big 12 sucks. It's always been about the money, and I will be more than delighted if KU gives Texas a big "SAYONARA" salute as well.

Geekinout 6 years, 10 months ago

Here! Here! Probably lose a few more regular season games, but we'd be tough as nails come tournament time when it really matters. I honestly think we'd get even stronger in basketball recruiting and it'd bring new life to a stale football era.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 10 months ago

Just a consideration .. who would you rather have at the helm during conference uncertainty? Perkins or Zenger?

Best MU reference above .. by pikespeaksmitty .. "Methsewery." Awesome. I will plagiarize if you don't mind.

Don't know about anyone else, but trips to the northeast, or Idaho, or creating a rivaly with New Mexico, or Marquette, doesn't seem that attractive to me.

Reports were that we had the opportunity with Ok St. to join the Pac 10/12 last go around. In hindsight ...

I am very narrow-minded in the my thoughts .. whatever we do, all that matters is preserving our basketball status, with a proper and top tier conference affiliation.

The Big East or Pac-12 would do that.

But how about the ACC .. If Florida St. is leaving? Rather be there than the Big East. Better place for a basketball school.

Hank Cross 6 years, 10 months ago

KU to the BE would make that conference The Premier League of CBB and make the ACC look like a backwater. The Ville, Cincy, Marquette, ND every year with UConn, GTown, Cuse and Nova in the rotation. Winning the conference tourney would be tougher than winning the NCAA.

Time to say goodbye to Ames and Lubbock, they add nothing to value of KUBB.

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 10 months ago

Amazingly, few students currently enrolled at KU live on either coast.

texashawk10 6 years, 10 months ago

I actually met quite a few people from the Boston area when I went to KU and that was only a few years ago. Chicago has one of the largest alumni bases outside of KC so a road game against DePaul would be nice for all of those alumni every year. Plus KU also filled up MSG last year when they played Memphis and had an audible crowd on TV when they played Temple in Philly a couple of years ago so while it may not be students road tripping to fill up the venues, alumni will be able give KU an audible crowd against most Big East schools.

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 10 months ago

Nothing says college tradition like an audible crowd of alumni.

texashawk10 6 years, 10 months ago

Because we all know the vast majority of college students have the funds to make multiple road trips from Lawrence to places like Austin, Waco, College Station, Lubbock, and Boulder, especially if those games happen to be during the week.

Ethan Berger 6 years, 10 months ago

You know who im starting to like. Oklahoma. They have never said anything about leaving. While UT, A&M, Neb, CU all were the center of the talks, OU, OSU, TTU, have all been quite. All have good football programs. I hope we stay with them.

sevenyearhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

Somebody, I can't remember who, once told me that Oklahoma will take us whereever they go ...

there's something deep in the past between our athletic departments.

Wished I could remember more of the details, but I just can't.

So, basically if they land somewhere (SEC, for example) they'd lobby for Kansas' inclusion.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

sevenyear - i think they deep conection, and the reason they would want to drag us with them, is that they probably really enjoy beating us 63-0 every year. And anybody that has read any of my comments knows that I am very pro-KU, unfortunately, that statement, while maybe not accurate is kinda true.

Craig Colgin 6 years, 10 months ago

What if we just kick out Tamu and UT and go back to having a Big 8? Why Not? I don't like texans to start with.

Craig Colgin 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't know. They just rub me wrong. Actually that part was quite satirical. Not the part about kicking them out though.

kuilander 6 years, 10 months ago

is he f'ing serious??? does he really believe the load of crap spewing from his mouth?!? could he honestly believe for ONE damn second that ALL other nine schools are committed to the conference? really zenger? you're busy on the phone talking with the AD's of THIS conference, and not AD's and commissioners of the three stable conferences?? F@#! ME!!!!! Now i know this could just be fluff and he is diigently in discussions with anyone and everyone, but this load of SH1T is the last thing i wanna hear from him.

you few that are on here thinking this ISNT happening, enjoy. aTm is gonzo, period. If mizzery has a chance to leave (and that is a very real opportunity for them), you think they DON'T leave??? if the Pac calls on OU and OSU is allowed to be tossed in, or the SEC as well ... doesn he think that THEY are not leaving?? no one's word in any of this means jack sh1t other than ISU and Kstate - and thats only because they have absolutely zero opportunites when/if everything shakes down.

ive been holding my tongue on what i think of zenger because there really is nothing to base an opinion on ... but if this really is his strategy for KU, to just keep in touch with the other AD's in this dead man walking of a conference, we are F@#!ED!!

Geekinout 6 years, 10 months ago

KUs athletic dept has been run by incompetent unqualified members for some time now. Nothing new from what I'm seeing...

kuilander 6 years, 10 months ago

... and to asnwer someones question about perkins or zenger .... thats an easy one ... PERKINS!! in fact, i'd love to see him brought on as a 'consultant' through this whole thing - no matter how zenger takes it!

Marcia Parsons 6 years, 10 months ago

I'd say that anytime you make a deal with Texas, you have to be prepared to have them in charge. They just expect to take over everything. If they're in it, they're going to run it.

huskercarpenter 6 years, 10 months ago

not sure how many want to hear from me about this but if the big xii would have just told texas to get the hell out last year or the year before and invited tcu into the mix this whole thing would have been a non issue. i promise you if that would have happened nebraska stays colorado may have still left but utah, byu or colorado st. would have been knocking. since that didn't happen the conference needs to tell texas to take a walk and then you can start to rebuild this conference, but if texas stays you will not get any schools that are worth having because texas is all about texas and they could care less about the rest of the conference. no big name schools want those headaches. i personally hope that the remaining members of the big 8 can get this figured out. texas came in and have totally trashed this conference it is time to stand up and bust them right in the mouth. there are some other thing i would like to say about them but i had better just keep my mouth shut. to everyone that plays texas this year score as many points as you can i hope everyone can put up 100+ points on them. that is what i hope.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

I concur. (See my post above). The Wildcats sure have their number. Starting to enjoy that game.

Phoggin_Loud 6 years, 10 months ago

Another option would be to go to Texas A&M and the other conference schools and kick Texas out of the league & add TCU.

Let UT flounder in Bevo's manure.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

If only we had know. The old Big 8 was a great conference. I feel like we have been date-raped.

David Atchley 6 years, 10 months ago

The only thing I the Big 12 refs...give TAMU the same consideration and benefit-of-the-doubt they gave Nebraska and Colorado last season.

Be opportunistic boys, if you're playing TAMU, and magical things may happen.

mjprcjh0314 6 years, 10 months ago

This is really a non-issue, if UT and OU are happy and committed to the Big XII, the other 8 school can go and be replaced pretty easily with someone else, so no big deal if A&M goes to SEC. I don't think that puts the conference in danger of folding. Just my opinion.

Dan Pawlowski 6 years, 10 months ago

Actually the bigger story and one that will have a much larger impact on college football as a whole is the NCAA Board of Directors voting to ban Div I teams with a four-year academic progress rate (APR) below 930 from participating in the postseason( all NCAA tournaments and football bowl games). That will affect all so called "Football Schools and Conferences" in a much larger way than little Ole Texas A & M stomping away in a huff from the Big 12.

huskercarpenter 6 years, 10 months ago

texas a&m isn't stomping away in a huff they are looking out for their best intrest. the bottom line is texas is the problem and the sooner the confrence sees that and does something about it the better off the conference will be. the other story you are talking about is interesting i had not heard about that is that a done deal or are they just considering that?

Dan Pawlowski 6 years, 10 months ago

The conference won't do anything about it. They gave that up last year. Texas held the cards and were ready to lay them out on the table when they almost brought down the conference last year. The conference gave in. The cost was letting Texas have their network. If A&M was that upset about it they should have done something then but they did not. They rattled their saber about leaving with Texas and when Texas was satisfied little sister A&M was stuck with staying. So now the Texas network is a big deal to them. Sorry that equates to walking away in a huff. They are mad at themselves for shriveling up last time. The other bigger story, yes it is a done deal

Oldschoolyou 6 years, 10 months ago

Don't you all see it. It will be a return to the Big 8. OU and aTm will leave. Works out perfect. Texas can then show more non con games on its network.

Brian Skelly 6 years, 10 months ago

Not going on the offensive when this all blew up last year was the Big 12's downfall. And ultimately, it will be. Eat or be eaten.

Regardless of which direction (east, west, southwest, northwest) they went, they SHOULD have gone a poaching. Or at least give the impression that you were.

Issues like this dont just appear, they develop over time. Which is why, for the life of me, I wonder what Dan Beebe and the Big 12 higher ups were doing the whole eFn time? HOW IN THE HELL did it get this way? Unreal.

Personally, I would have gone hard after Utah, BYU, TCU. Arkansas sounds nice, but doesnt offer much... and why would they leave the SEC to begin with? Air Force, Houston, SMU would all be lesser choices, but ones that would get some more market share covered.

Ultimately though, the Big 12 seems to be going down a path it wont be able to sustain. While A&M's essentially sick of being the ultimate bridesmaid to UT, weather its justified or not is irrelevant. It appears they want out. As long as they've the invite and the motivation, they're as good as gone.

If the Big 12 (10) doesnt add teams (and markets) they are simply done. KU fans need to get used to those 630pm Big Monday games playing in the Big East in a few years.

Hank Cross 6 years, 10 months ago

Here's how serious UT is about remaining in the B12 no matter what:

"The Pac-12 may emerge as an option to schools left in the Big 12. Dodds said Texas will look at every option, and that the school has "six or eight options." By Friday, his staff was vetting all of them.

As for the possibility Texas could get in the mix with the Pac-12, Dodds said, "I'd put that down as an option. I don't know if it's a viable option."

One Big 12 source said it might be possible for Texas to join the Pac-12 and retain the Longhorn Network because the recent Pac-12 network contract allows for some satellite regional networks."

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 10 months ago

Every good drama. needs a villain to sustain dramatic tension. We have plenty of avarice for our nearest Big 8 rivals. The amount of TAMU , UT, and general Texas loathing here suggests sustainable rivalries. That is, if there is anything other than money of import in college athletics.

texashawk10 6 years, 10 months ago

The Longhorn Network guarantees that UT football only has 2 options, stay with the Big 12 or go independent. I think at this point, the more financially lucrative option for UT is to wait and see how much the first-tier TV rights contract will fetch which should make the Big 12 the most valuable conference until the SEC and Big 10 renegotiate their TV deals. However, I do think that UT will seriously look at going independent in football if they can find 6-7 teams they can play on an annual basis in football, and find homes for their other sports programs.

Does anybody remember that last year Bill Self said that KU, KSU, ISU, and Missouri had invites to the Big East had the Big 12 folded last year?

At this point, I think the Big East would still seriously consider inviting all four schools if an ACC school ends up being the traveling partner with Texas A&M because the ACC will probably add West Virginia or South Florida which leaves the Big East with 8 teams so inviting KU, KSU, ISU, and Missouri gets them to 12 teams in football and an even 20 in basketball.

In football, the divisions would probably be KU, KSU, ISU, Missouri, TCU, and either Cincy or Louisville. The other division would be Cincy/Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and WVU/USF. In order to keep the Cincy-Louisville rivalry going, I could see scheduling similar to the SEC or if WVU goes to the ACC put Pitt in the division and keep Cincy and Louisville together.

In basketball you get a western division featuring KU, KSU, ISU, Missouri, Louisville, Cincinnati, DePaul, Marquette, Notre Dame, and TCU with an eastern division of UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Pittsburgh, St. John's, Rutgers, and WVU/USF.

mikehawk 6 years, 10 months ago

I swear there must be crack in the water out there somewhere. This is all about money, egos, pride and jealousy over anything University of Texas. The A&M story has become a confused, disgruntled person on the building ledge with a crowd below screaming "jump!" In the meantime, the Big 12 brand has had no time to heal and repair itself from last year's conference crisis, and all of this uncertainty weakens the perception of the league around the country. I have news for those most self-absorbed of the KU crowd, the Big Ten isn't the least bit interested in Kansas anymore than they were interested in Missouri last year. The Aggies from Texas better be careful what they wish for, as I still say the Arkansas faithful have quietly said to themselves and each other they wish they could be competing in the Big 12 rather than the SEC. Tradition, league loyality, long standing rivalaries, are apparently things of the past. I guess its like politics these days in that it isn't about us, it's about me and mine. I love to compete and have fun any time I can at the expense of my KSU friends, but for the two schools to split and go their own ways would be a sad day indeed. I live in Oklahoma and it is the same down here. If OU and OSU split, it will ultimately hurt both schools. We can't seem to recognize the strength is in numbers and sticking together while we compete like heck on the court and on the field. The school power brokers have become like babies threatening to go somewhere else with our own toys thinking the kid on the next block is more fun than the kid who has lived next door all of our lives. Good friends get into fusses with from time to time, and time heals.

Luke Kay 6 years, 10 months ago

Well, announced this morning that it has been reported that MU will be extended an offer also to join the SEC. They will probably jump ship as soon as its made official. All their "we need to stay together" talk after the Big10 didnt actually extend them an offer is all just normal MU BS. I agree that we should have manned up and told Texas that they were an equal member or not a member a while ago, but Beebe is BI**H and folded like he always has. Now we are all second rate citizens in our own conference. What schools would want to join that??? Texas gets more and contributes less. Its our (the other schools in the 12) own faults for not standing up and speaking out against Beebe and Texas. Texas needs us more than we need (or want) them. No conference will take them with their TV network deal, not to mention the hassle that comes with being Texas. And I hate to say it, but its in KU's best interest to not bond ourselves with K-State if we do switch conferences. That is a very very heavy anchor that will limit our opportunities to do something good for us.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

Because the people who pay him just got a pay raise themselves with the new tv deal. Its all about the rising tide lifts all boats, including mine (say the ADs and University Presidents)

troutsee 6 years, 10 months ago

The Big 12 is dead, which is too bad for us folks that like to drive to away games. Every Big 12 AD better be making a lot of phone calls to other conferences. Beebe was in Ya-Ya Land last year and still is in Ya-Ya land. Zenger needs to look at the best options for KU and it ain't with the Big 12. MU will immediately accept the SEC if offered. Come on Zenger. Get us out of here.

huskercarpenter 6 years, 10 months ago

if the AD's of all the schools will just get together and tell texas they are done, and i mean done no working anything out just flat out get rid of them. when you have a student that continually breaks the rule or creates trouble you get rid of them. if you do that with texas, no ifs ands or buts. just wipe your a$$ with texas and flush them down the stool, their is a good chance things can be salvaged. but you have to do it and do it yesterday not tomarrow. and when playing texas this year no matter what sport treat them like dirt let them know that no one wants them around and if you fans start to show the university how you really feel they may start to pay attention. because texas deserves everything they got coming to them.

if you think i am bitter, i am! if you think i like not being able to play the teams from the big 8, you are wrong, we have to start over with traditions now and these will be good in time but i will miss those teams. the KU, NEB game was the longest running consecutive game west of the mississippi and maybe the whole country. there are alot of things we don't have now. all because of texas (dirtbags)

sorry i had to vent.

Randy Bombardier 6 years, 10 months ago

Well, Husker, I agree in principal but it would be so much easier if we had two historical football powers other than Texas remaining. NU leaving the conference makes that pretty difficult for OU to swallow. If you had stayed, sure. Not now.

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