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Monday, April 18, 2011

La Salle center considers Kansas

John Calipari visits Trevor Lacey

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Aaric Murray, a 6-foot-10, 250-pound sophomore center who recently announced plans to leave La Salle University, likely will transfer either to Kansas University or West Virginia, Jon Rothstein of CBSsports.com reported Sunday.

Murray recently told Zagsblog.com that he had a list of KU, Kentucky, Oklahoma State, Rutgers, St. John’s, West Virginia, UConn, Texas and Florida. The Philadelphia Daily News also listed Marquette and DePaul.

The Philadelphia native, who averaged 15.2 points and 7.7 rebounds a game for La Salle last season, chose La Salle over West Virginia his senior year at Philly’s Glen Mills High School.

Murray will have two years of eligibility remaining but must sit out next season according to NCAA transfer rules.

Murray ranked third in the Atlantic 10 in blocks (73, second in school history), was seventh in rebounding and 11th in scoring in 2010-11. He’s second all-time in career blocks at La Salle (143) after just two seasons. He just missed a triple-double, scoring 20 points, with 11 rebounds and a school-record nine blocks against Morgan State. He had seven double-doubles on the season.

Dick Jerardi of the Philadelphia Daily News was somewhat critical of Murray on March 25 when the decision to leave La Salle was announced.

“La Salle coach John Giannini had a season-long struggle with Murray,” Jerardi wrote. “The mega-talent was not always interested in the game. In fact, Giannini said that Murray really does not like the sport. It often showed in Murray's performances.

“Murray had moments when he was great and other moments when he disappeared, sometimes in the same game. Giannini publicly defended his player, but anyone with eyes knew the coach was having a difficult time getting through to his star player.”

Giannini said: “I wish Aaric the very best for his future. I know Aaric always tried to do his best for La Salle, and we did all that we could to help him as a person and as a basketball player.”

Calipari visits Lacey

Trevor Lacey, a 6-3, 200-pound senior combo guard from Huntsville (Ala.) High, received an in-home visit from Kentucky coach John Calipari on Sunday, according to Nationofblue.com. KU coach Bill Self is expected to visit Lacey today. Lacey made a weekend visit to Alabama. Rivals.com’s No. 34-rated player also has Auburn, UConn and North Carolina State on his list.

Comments

ldjayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Not sure a talented but uncommitted centre is our best suit and seems war on Lacey starts! RCJH let's bring our man home!

Cmill1221 3 years, 8 months ago

All great teams have role players. This guys sounds like a solid big who can contribute solid time. We need bigs and he could help our depth. Pluss he already has a year of college ball (actually playing) under his belt. That's something that can be considerd a pluss. Expirence will be extreamly helpfull in two years especially if T-Rob goes pro.

Andrew Dunlap 3 years, 8 months ago

uh, dont think this kid is a role player. He was 35th the year he was recruited and averaged 15 pts 7 rebs. It looks like he maybe picked the wrong school or as his coach stated, doesn't have the drive. Hopefully, he still has a desire to play the game because the talent is there.

Cmill1221 3 years, 8 months ago

But that 15 and 7 wasn't in the big12. It's kind of like when mizzou got that kid from VMI who was the nations top scorer. Things are a little different when you play with the big boys.

David Lara 3 years, 8 months ago

Regardless of talent or commitment, I would only want a centre if we were talking hockey. In the basketball world it's spelled center. Just living up to my handle.

KU_Alumn_2000 3 years, 8 months ago

Hmmm - not sure what to think of this guy. Only two years of eligibility left...has to sit out a year...and attitude problems may not be worth the pick up.

Would love to see us go after another high school kid that will stay for four years and develop under Coach Manning.

That Trevor Lacey seems like he would be a fantastic pickup at guard.

rwhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

"forget about Withey" as in you think he's actually going to become a premier player, or "forget" as in he too is a big tall transfer that won't ever be good enough to be starting for a national title contender...which should tell you my thoughts on our chances next year if skinny W is starting for this team.

khekhen 3 years, 8 months ago

my thoughts exactly, withey's garbage. kid's got NO heart, he's more soft than pau gasol. lets anybody and everybody, regardless of size push him around. waste of a scholly in my opinion.

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 8 months ago

Withey just read about Aaric Murray's stats at LaSalle and peed himself a little.

TRob just read about Aaric Murray's stats and smiled a little.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

Nice thoughts but I'm afraid TRob will be long gone by the time Aaric hits the floor although he could be a great practice player for next year.

Joe Baker 3 years, 8 months ago

One year in the sit out with DMan and he will be primed and ready. We need a little extra assurance while our frosh bigs prepare for D1 competition. He would be a perfect grab to fill the gap between TRob's plans and the incoming frosh. He has D1 experience and the only reason he had issue was because he wasn't happy at LaSalle. He comes to KU and works out with the DMan, he'll be fine and happy. He can backup Withey and Anderson will backup TRob.

Remember Aaric, we just sent two of your Philly bros to the NBA. Please look at the other programs and the overall success rate of their bigs. You have individual NBA attention at KU. The choice is obvious, but it's all yours. Good luck with your transfer and whatever you choose.

Andrew Dunlap 3 years, 8 months ago

excellent observation! Aaric most likely knows the twins and he actually was rated higher than both of them. Don't know if we recruited him but I'm sure KU is on his list because of the twins. we need to go after him hard. Philly is a basketball hotbed and we need to keep that pipeline open. We have a long history in Philly, going way back to a guy named Wilt

Michael Auchard 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree. This guy was a highly-regarded recruit and got those numbers with out the D-Man helping him. His numbers will go up with our resident big man genius coaching him up. I also wonder, if since this guy is from Philly, if he's played the Morris bros back in the day, thought he was better than them, saw their transformation at KU and wants to work with D Manning because he knows he could improve the same way.

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

I think we are pretty solid in our back court but Lacey would bring quality depth and challenge for a starting position.

Aaric would be a solid pick up although waiting a year stinks. He and Anderson would be something to build on in 2012.

We still need at least another quality front court player for this year...Anderson will need some time before he can contribute.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

If the NBA drafts on potential, why not take Aaric? :-)

Self will sign Murray, the bureau of declamations project, if Murray wants to come.

Why?

  1. Aaric is worth having just for scout team practice for a season, even if he turned out to be not good enough to keep, or to be too much trouble to keep.

  2. Self has said he has a scholie he does not plan on giving this season and so why waste it, when he can easily bounce Aaric, if he were to be a problem.

  3. Funny name aside, there is no other D1-experienced, 6'10" 250 lb'er out there that could be Hudy-ed up to 265-270 and schooled by Manning for a year and be available two seasons from now.

  4. If Aaric has a mother willing to come to Lawrence, getting away from home and having her be the only person he knows, could wake him up to his responsibilities to himself and her.

  5. Aaric could be the Philidelphian destined to finish the mythic score-settling begun by Wayne Hightower, and pushed nearly to completion by The Twins: the winning of a ring for KU by a Philadelphian to offset Wilt's 3-overtime loss to Carolina in 1957!

Aaric, myth and destiny and future big draft dollars call you to Kansas.

Answer.

But be forewarned: such heroism will cost you not less than everything to earn.

You are about to learn the awesome burden of great coaches, great teammates, great fans, the ghost of Wilt Chamberlain, and the legacy of the game's inventor, investing in you to right this wrong.

Failure to give everything you've got to the task, will get you kicked off the team for sure.

But giving everything you've got, whether enough to get the ring, will take us all another step closer in righting the greatest wrong in hoops history.

Ask the Twins, Mssrs. Markieff and Marcus Morris...they who just did the boyz2men thing: was it worth it to come to "the citadel of doing it the right way"? To be so far from a Philly steak? To earn the respect of respected coaches, teammates and NBA GM's? To not only get the big bones, but be prepared not to squander them?

Answer to all: yes!

The lord of hoops works in mysterious ways, Aaric.

If you do not yet understand this, as Yoda once said to Luke Skywalker, you will, you will!

scarletbhound 3 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate: Just a note to say how much I appreciated this post. Your analysis was superb and showed a lot of thought. Loved the Philly angle and the brief history of KU's relationship with that great basketball city. You demonstrate why KU fans are among the most knowledgeable in the country.

oldalum 3 years, 8 months ago

Regarding #3, it isn't his name that's strange, it's the spelling. If it was spelled Eric the way most spell it, you wouldn't think it was a strange name at all!

Keith Kienzle 3 years, 8 months ago

Awesome. I was hearing the Fresh Prince of Bel Air tune while I read your post.

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

Nice Jay..pretty much what I thought w/the exception of taking back his scholarship for anything except discipline. Come to KU Aaric!!

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

Post Script to Aaric: do your best, it is success.

100 3 years, 8 months ago

Nice Jaybate. "Do your best"

Can't believe I didn't post that before the VCU game.

Considering we now know how much the twins & Selby read these boards this year..... I'm now taking full responsibility for the VCU loss & the fact that we didn't "do our best" & guard VCU's three point shooters the first 10 minutes.

Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

Taking responsibility for only the first 10 minutes? Somebody else needs to step up as 100 did!

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Anyone catch Otto Porter lighting up the Jordan Brand Classic this weekend?

Rob Wempe 3 years, 8 months ago

Not to be mean, but I don't really care.

Rob Wempe 3 years, 8 months ago

I could care less about Otto. I was talking about you.

Rob Wempe 3 years, 8 months ago

I could care less about Otto. I was talking about you.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Well, I appreciate your concern for my feelings. Thank you.

jhox 3 years, 8 months ago

Interesting choice of schools he's narrowed his list to, KU and West Virginia. If this kid struggled with his coach at LaSalle, what makes him think Self or Huggins will take it easy on him? Those are two of the most demanding coaches in basketball.

From KU's standpoint it makes good sense. Expect one more year out of Robinson, and then this guy could step in and fill that role as a very experienced Junior. Most of the big name high school guys see themselves as one and dones, so we may as well bring in an experienced guy for a couple of years (of eligibility) as opposed to an inexperienced guy for one or two.

REHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Aaric, considering your size and numbers already posted at LaSalle, if you should arrive in Lawrence to spend 3 seasons fully committed to the Jayhawk program, you will depart as a man, a multimillionaire with skills aplenty for a long NBA career. Be prepared to open your horizons to the transformational process of Bill Self, Dan Manning and Andrea Hudy. Key word: commitment.

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

He only has 2 years of eligibility left...but I'm guessing you are referring to the year he needs to sit out.. If so then I agree 100% Manning will have him ready when he finally starts playing.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 8 months ago

Maybe this guy doesn't like basketball, or maybe he just doesn't like basketball at LaSalle. Or maybe he just doesn't like his coach. Who knows. I trust HCBS will only bring him in if he thinks he can and will play!

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 8 months ago

HCBS needs to watch where he sits at Trevor Lacey's house. If Cal was just there the day before him, there could still be a trail of that slimy stuff left behind when slugs have crawled through an area. There will be grease stains on the couch/chair cushions where he sat, of course.

There could also be some other residue from Cal's visit, like new car brochures left behind, imprints of Trevor's signature where Cal collected samples for a "surrogate" test taker to learn how to duplicate, and business cards for WWWes.

Bill, this is war Those Mr. Goodcents and Yello Sub coupons that might fall out of your pocket just won't do. .

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 8 months ago

It could work out for him. What if Cal leaves cash?

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 8 months ago

He's too smart for that. That will come a little later in a box marked UK t-shirts delivered by UPS.

Scott Smetana 3 years, 8 months ago

Actually, WorldWideWes will take over from here.

KEITHMILES05 3 years, 8 months ago

KU doesn't need another head case. We've had enough problems with guys who can't mind thier p's and q's let alone don't really want to play the game.

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

Sometimes (emphasis on some) these guys need a 2nd chance at a new place. JR Giddens did well in New Mexico after leaving here... CJ Jiles not so much. But as Jaybate stated, if the problems continue, see you later.

Cameron Schienebeck 3 years, 8 months ago

Nothing like reading breakdowns and analysis done by people that don't know the actual person they're critiquing. Just because you now know as much as google doesn't make anyone an expert. The kid has narrowed his list down and KU is included. The only thing that tells me is that he must have his head together a little bit if he's smart enough to want to join the Jayhawks.

Scott Smetana 3 years, 8 months ago

Not sure what you're talking about. Most of us are experts. Go get some training then come back to post with the rest of us big boys.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Well, you're right about sharing a league with Rhode Island, but not Bucknell. Bucknell is in the pansy Patriot League.

The A-10, however, is decent for not being one of the "big six" conferences.

UMass, Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Geo. Washington, and Richmond have all shown flashes of respectability in the last 5 years or so.

bradynsdad 3 years, 8 months ago

Correct me if I am wrong but if he sits thus season he will be eligible the year Zach peters and perry Ellis come in. Yes I am about 99% sure Ellis is coming to ku. His family would like him either at ku or wsu. That being said I wouldn't mind having this kid as long as he does come in with a good attitude, of course maybe the kid just wasn't happy with the system we don't know. I am starting to think that without Daniels or Lacey committing next year could be a tough year. I believe we wil have a good season but texas looks to be very dominant, assuming barnes can coach the last month of the year. Talk about a flame out.

phi4life940 3 years, 8 months ago

This wouldn't be the first guy with an attitude Self and Co. have worked with.

You wanna know why he "didn't care about the game..." ??? HE WAS AT LaSalle!!!!

The year on the bence at Allen Fieldhouse will make him fall back in love with the game. He will be so pumped and excited to play that he will become a man and come out with a passion and a strength like no other.

I hope we get this guy. I do agree with bradynsdad in that we will have to other bigs but this guy could provide the much needed strength, size and talent to get those two freshman (Peters and Ellis) in working order.

Either way...Rock Chalk.

BCRavenJHawkfan 3 years, 8 months ago

Could it be Murray took note of the Morris twins progress, and thus in Kansas is the Yellowbrick Road.

And on Woolridge's departure. The guy probably looked at what transpired with Selby going to the NBA and said: "Damn, I was able to shut down Selby in practice and he's still going NBA?????"

Robert Brock 3 years, 8 months ago

Pass on this guy. Concentrate on landing 2012's Kaleb Tarczewski. He is a winner and will add incredible value to the Kansas program.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree Kaleb is the guy to get, but there is room for both with TRob and Withey likely both gone after next season. Self has to start having four bigs ready to play by Madness each year. Even though he likes to "shorten" hia bench by then, one game, or two, each Madness the bigs get fouled up. He cannot afford to play with three any more. I believe the last two tourney losses would have been Ws, even with the bad Trey shooting, had he been able. To use four bigs and 20 fouls to take away the other team's inside game entirely. In the XTReme Slugfests, foul calling is so unpredictably asymmetric, Self has to rely more on 4-big muscle and less on 3-big talent to survive the bad shooting nights.

Mike Bratisax 3 years, 8 months ago

Ditto what jaybate said. We have no shortage of scholarships to work with. TRob and Tyshawn and Conner will be leaving.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

Barnes is going back to UNC, looks like selby may be a lottery pick by default.

jhawkr 3 years, 8 months ago

LOL LOL LOL and still LOL ............ Selby will be lucky to be a 2nd round draft pick and will tread water in the D-League for at least 2 to 3 years ...............

bennybob 3 years, 8 months ago

Pass!

Cant help us next year, when we desperately need front court depth. he'll only clog up the influx of bigs expected in the '12 class (Peters, Ellis, Tarczewski).

I really hope Self saves the scholarship, using one of this kid is a complete waste. How desperate is he?

Joe Baker 3 years, 8 months ago

benny- This is why we're not part of the coaching staff, thank God.

RockChalk26 3 years, 8 months ago

Are there any reports on Daniel's visit to Duke this weekend?

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

Yes. DD reputedly called Coach Consonants a pencil neck with a goiter and said he would rather eat lint than be asked to XTReme Cheapshot for Dook.

But that's just a rumor. :-)

Ron Prichard 3 years, 8 months ago

Not sure why anyone would want to pass on a kid who in two years at LaSalle has almost set the career record for blocks and averaged 15 points and almost 8 rebounds a game. Plus, he has the body (6'10", 250 lbs) to bang in the Big XII. Even though it was LaSalle, it was still D1, and a 15 ppg scorer in D1 is definitely valuable.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

How they knew Cal was visiting Lacey?

Mousse trail between Lexington and Florida.

Kent Wells 3 years, 8 months ago

Recruiting the mid-majors. Interesting. If you can't beat them, join them!

keith horinek 3 years, 8 months ago

Does Jeff Withey raise any red flags? We don't need anymore "projects". I would prefer to leave the scholarship open than take on another project. We might need the scholarship next year, you never know.

Dyrk Dugan 3 years, 8 months ago

in response to rockchalk26, he didn't commit yet, so that's good.

in response to this kid transferring from LaSalle, why would we do that? he has to sit out a year...and we'll probably have a shot at several bigs next year, including Perry Ellis and Peters has already committed. so why would we waste a schollie?

it's frankly Daniels or bust this year...or we'll go with what we got....TRob, Withey, Anderson and throw in a JUCO kid.....at this point, anyone 6-8 or taller will do. :)

Joe Baker 3 years, 8 months ago

Great plan, ah, where is the JUCO kid?

martyks 3 years, 8 months ago

Actually, Murray is a perfect fit. We need bodies for practice this year. We don't get a whole lot of that with a kid coming in from high school. But TRob will hold down the center position unless he gets in foul trouble... which could be a rough IF. Still, Anderson looks promising. So, at least for practicing, Withey, TRob, Anderson, and Murray would solve scrimmage... and preparing for teams is important, not just contributing during games.

Who knows what the situation was with Murray. No one asked him. Sometimes coaches simply do not connect with kids. Labeling him as the problem without knowing all the facts just isn't right. It could be all his fault. It could be that it wasn't his fault at all.

Annette Lee 3 years, 8 months ago

NC State released Joseph Uchebo ! 6' 9" 240 could play needs work but so did the Morri in their frosh year..

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

http://www.nationofblue.com/joseph-uchebo-set-host-new-teams-6744/

"In the Jordan Brand Classic Regional Game... the 6'9" senior had 13 points and 21 rebounds in the all-star game."

I just imagined this kid and TRob crashing the boards together. The whole scene was done in a soft focus and "Ode to Joy" was playing in the background.

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

http://www.nationofblue.com/joseph-uchebo-set-host-new-teams-6744/

"In the Jordan Brand Classic Regional Game... the 6'9" senior had 13 points and 21 rebounds in the all-star game."

I just had a vision of this kid and TRob crashing the boards together. It was in soft focus and "Ode to Joy" was playing in the background.

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

Aw, my first double-post. That makes me a real BoardHawk now!

100 3 years, 8 months ago

Troll below... The End.

He has a seething hatred for KU. Whatever happened in the lunch room as a child must have really stuck with him.

I can confirm 100% he's a purple. He posts the exact same stuff in other local papers, except on the other sites he is also able to post positively for the purples when there's a purple story.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

100-I love KU. I don't post on other boards....I don't like K-State. I have good memories of lunch at school....and even recall some decent food. Anything else that I need to debunk? Aside from attacking me......I think your posts are always well written and insightful.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

If he wants a national title....he should play somewhere else. If he wants to beat Iowa State and Texas Tech(every year-rah rah KU!!!!)...go to Kansas.

KU should pass on him. Doesn't sould like he has the personality....or even the committment to the game. Who needs that?

PS-Jaybate.....I love Kirk Herbstreit!!!!!!!!!!

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Ah Ralster.....my nemesis.....and yet we both want the same for KU.Can we not put aside our differences???

duanep5ku 3 years, 8 months ago

theend Another pathetic troll that's obsessed with Kansas, I wander why loser who's your team anyway?

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm not obsessed.....I want KU to change its program so they can actually compete in March. As of now.....Kansas has no clue of what is needed in March. None.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Heck, MarchFog!! I'm not a coach or B-Ball expert!! But I know something is wrong.......When I hear a wierd noise coming from my engine......I know something is wrong and I take it to my mechanic. And there is something wrong with KU when it gets to March. Most people here can't/wont admit it....but it is very obvious. This was a great team we had....and absolutely had no business losing to VCU....or N.Iowa......or teams in recent past. Yes....I know.....2008....but we almost lost to davidson that yr!!!

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

You analogy, while clever, also illustrates the point of my question.

I have serious doubts that there IS something you can just take to the "mechanic" and get fixed. The tendency to look at KU basketball as an engine with something wrong is tempting, but with an engine, you can do straightforward diagnostic analysis and eventually find the source of a given problem via the process of elimination. Obviously, it's not even close to that simple in basketball.

For starters, the way the moving parts of an engine work together stays fundamentally the same from use to use. You don't have different parts of the engine perform new roles if another part fails to perform, unlike in basketball, where if one element goes awry, another of the moving parts adjusts and compensates.

The 2010 and 2009 teams were both great, but flawed. And as is often the case with single-elimination basketball, luck was not on our side and we came up against two teams that were able to capitalize on those flaws:

The 2009 team wasn't versatile enough--if Collins didn't have it going, it was going to be a crapshoot as to whether KU won or lost. Collins certainly didn't have it going against UNI, and KU rolled a snake-eyes instead of boxcars.

The 2010 team wasn't intense enough defensively. They came up against a hot-shooting team, did their "we'll just outscore you" thing defensively in the first half and dug themselves too deep of a hole.

I bring these scenarios up to point out that in the most recent two "failures", KU's teams fell victim to their own flaws--flaws that were different from one another. Flaws that can't possibly be traced back to a single, central theme that is causing the postseason woes at Kansas.

As fans, we want our teams to do well all the time. We often forget that the idea that there is something inherent about the KU basketball program causing these losses is an illusion. When it comes to single-elimination, the smallest factors are the difference between enormous consequences. If KU was consistently coming up short in a postseason where we had a best-of-three format, and you could accurately say that a more talented team failing to move on was an indictment of the way they play, then I'd be with you.

But as long as the NCAA tournament is a one-and-done format, I think it's only reasonable to chalk KU's string of earlier-than-we-like losses to bad luck. One of the consistently good, "blue-blood" programs has to be less lucky than the others. Kansas just happens to be that program, and has been for a long time.

I mean, we lost the only triple-overtime NCAA championship game ever played, and Wilt Chamberlain was on that team. If that isn't bad luck, then I don't know what is...

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

You make great points. and are one of the few on this board that has the patience to analyze this issue. Appreciate your response. And your example of KU losing in 1957 is a good one and gives me pause to rethink parts of my arguement. PS-I wish I could see that 3 overtime game....although would hate the outcome.

Tuskin 3 years, 8 months ago

"One of the consistently good, "blue-blood" programs has to be less lucky than the others. Kansas just happens to be that program, and has been for a long time."

Wow. No.

Kansas has been about the best blue-blood in the past decade or more. We've won three or four more tourney games than any other program in that time, including an NC.

Duke? Look at their record - they're underperforming big-time, if underperforming is a matter of seed versus performance.

UNC? They completely fell apart the season before this last one, and didn't even make the tournament.

Florida? Back to back NC's, but then they didn't make the tourney for what, 2 years or more?

Kansas has probably been the most consistent blue-blood in recent years. It's just that the single-elimination format makes for so many upsets. Grab the dice enough times and eventually you'll seen both snake eyes and box cars.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Kansas has been very consistent, and I'm as big a Jayhawk fan as there is, but the truth is that Kansas has fallen short in years when they shouldn't have. They earn the 1-seed, then haven't capitalized except for one year.

I'd say that fits the definition of "unlucky" to a tee.

So I'm not really sure where you see anything so out in left field that it warrants a "wow. no." response. Kind of self-important if you ask me.

I'm not saying Kansas has been bad. But if you count up the number of times Kansas has fallen short of it's seed in the tournament compared to UNC, Duke, etc..., Kansas is easily at the top of that dubious list.

The single-elimination format certainly creates an upset-prone environment, but the fact is that Kansas has fallen victim to those upsets more often than those other schools. Of course, being in the tournament with a high seed so often creates a greater opportunity for upset, but that doesn't change the facts.

bradynsdad 3 years, 8 months ago

Duanep5ku theend is an Iowa state grad.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

bradynsdad-well....as much as I mention ISU....you would think I did go there. But I just use it for effect.....that's all. I just want KU to be more competitive in March.....that's all. To me.....the reg season is pretty meaningless. Yes.....my remarks are caustic......but I want KU fans to wake up and see there is a problem. I'm no expert......but I know there is a problem.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Anyone who is doubting the benefit of this potential transfer needs to inform themselves.

Bringing in an ESPN100 recruit from the class of 2009 is a no-brainer, especially when you consider:

He's a "true" center, something that is pretty rare in today's game We have scholarships in spades right now We don't have big men in spades--especially not guys with Murray's size.

I don't care what recruits we might be getting for 2012. Remember when Terrance Jones was a sure thing?

This kid's biggest drawback is the potential for there to be attitude problems, and given an environment like the one we have at Kansas, I feel that it's a potential issue that can be managed. This guy isn't a "project". He's a bonafide Division I starting center.

I can't believe how jaded some KU fans have become.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Follow-up: Rivals had Murray rated as #35 overall in 2009. They had Robinson at #31.

Now someone tell me they wouldn't love another player that rates similarly to Robinson as compared to the rest of the 2009 recruiting class...

Jack Wilson 3 years, 8 months ago

Good point .. I see it this way .. if Self sees his attitude as a problem, then he wouldn't be recruiting him. Self has lots of options for 2012 and a guy with an attitude problem tilts the table to "don't take him and roll the dice on what you could get", per your Jones example.

But if you see him as ok from that perspective, snag him.

AverageCitizen 3 years, 8 months ago

Not sure who you are thinking of but Terrence Jones was never a sure thing. In fact he was a last minute thing if you call him anything. He was a sure thing to kentucky or Washington.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Not sure if you remember all the talk over these boards before his announcement show. At that point, it was largely thought that he had narrowed it down to Washington and Kansas, and most Kansas fans were convinced that he was coming to KU.

Kentucky was the choice that came out of left field.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Don't assume that a kid with an attitude problem would come to KU and it would all go away. KU has a great program.....and the demands could actually make a kid like this have an even worse attitude.

Then again.....maybe it would shape him up. My biggest concern would be if it's true that he doesn't even like basketball. That would just about be impossible to correct....but only he knows what the truth is.

brooksmd 3 years, 8 months ago

theend (anonymous) replies… I'm not obsessed.....I want KU to change its program so they can actually compete in March. As of now.....Kansas has no clue of what is needed in March. None.

theend (anonymous) says… Don't assume that a kid with an attitude problem would come to KU and it would all go away. KU has a great program....

Seems to be a contradiction here. In the first you say "KU needs to change its program". And in the second you say "KU has a great program".

I'm so confused. Jaybate, help me.

khekhen 3 years, 8 months ago

and you're a doctor?? pshhhh.....

no contradiction, he said that KU is a great program that happens to have a hard time bringing in the hardware come tourney time.

he's defended KU all along and only criticized(appropriately I might add) KU's performance in the tournament...

you need your hand held through any more insults?

brooksmd 3 years, 8 months ago

Who said I was a doctor? You shouldn't assume.

Selbyville 3 years, 8 months ago

haha Joe Lunardi has us as a 7 seed in his preliminary bracket

oldalum 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm having a lot of trouble believing he doesn't like basketball. A lot of work goes into learning to play and getting better. Playing at all the lower levels is merely preparation for making it to the NBA to play more basketball as a professional. So he is setting himself up for a profession of doing what he doesn't like to do? Maybe he just didn't like basketball at LaSalle.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Scary the amount of energy you expended to post this brilliant responses 3 times. Seriously......scary. Wow.

Jabez Harlan 3 years, 8 months ago

Troll- n. an annoying poster to message boards without affiliation to the story or conversation thread.

ex- IrishDaddy, theend, etc.

kennethst 3 years, 8 months ago

"The End" ??? I can't quite figure this guy out. Sometimes he seems to hate KU.....other times he seems to like KU and has moments of sanity.

Well....your self-description of being "caustic" is an understatement. You also seem quite bitter.......but there is method in your madness. I don't agree with all you say......but in some ways I agree-KU should be better in March. I'm just not sure there is something specific that is wrong. Then again......this does seem to keep happenning. If we had not won it all in 2008.....I think many here would be more critical.

But dude.....you could be a bit more ....I don't know.....calm? reasonable? Pro-KU?

kennethst 3 years, 8 months ago

Ralster-Enjoy your posts....and love your picture!! I actually don't think he is a K-state fan......as I said he has his moments.....but what a wierdo. He reminds me of one of those guys whose mond is in outer space......but every now and then has moments of absolute clarity. And I can't disagree with him completely. I do enjoy your insults of him, though. If nothing else....he's certainly entertaining!!

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

"Method to my madness"??? Isn't that how Bram Stoker described Drucula's assistant 'Rensfield' when he was locked in the lunatic assylum??? I guess I could see that. I don't like KU.....I love KU. That's why I want them to win national titles. I feel I need to be caustic....and yes a little bitter......to get these fans to see my point.....which is that KU is failing in March. Your point is good about 2008.....I'm certain many more fans would be very upset had we not won in 2008.

Calm? Reasonable? Pro-KU? I will work on it.

kennethst 3 years, 8 months ago

Well......good luck. As I said to Ralster.....at least you provide some entertainment. But I have to agree with most......you are a bit of a troll. Doesn't bother me, though. You have something to say....say it. It's a free country. And you actually make some decent points. Yet....I think the way you say it is what rubs people wrongly. My 2 cents.

Jabez Harlan 3 years, 8 months ago

More wins in the ncaa tournament the last five years than every team not named UNC is underachieving?

Wake up and smell the coffee!

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

I am so tired of hearing the mantra "if we hadn't won it in 2008..."

As someone wrote once before--I can't remember where I read it, so my apologies if it was on this very site--it's somewhat disingenuous to remove a person or program's greatest success of the past decade and then evaluate their level of success.

A very small group of schools (7) has won a title in the past 10 years, and KU is one of them.

A very small group of schools (6) has won multiple titles since the tournament expanded to 64 teams (requiring 6 wins), and KU is one of them.

A very small group of schools (5) has at least 5 Final Four appearances since the tournament expanded to 64 teams, and KU (who has 7 FFs) is one of them.

I too grow tired of KU losing too early, and to teams that we all know the 'Hawks would beat 9 times out of 10. Mostly, I grow tired of it because of all the ignorant anti-fans who use it as cannon fodder to talk trash. But if you step above the fray and actually look objectively at the amount of success by program, KU is still way ahead of almost every school in the country. In fact, there are probably only 3 other schools that deserve to be in the conversation when considering the last 26 years of basketball. Duke, UNC and Kentucky.

If Kansas is destined to be the "chokingest" of those 4 schools, it's frustrating, but there are far, far worse places to be.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Essentially my point.....it's not luck or coincidence that UCONN has this success. They do something right in march......KU does something wrong. Marchfog has a point too, I think. I realize no team will win it like UCLA.......but I still say KU needs to do something different.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know. I'm not really ranking schools in order. My point was that for all the hand-wringing and angst that surrounds KU's failures, they are still statistically one of the top schools in the country, even WITH said "chokes".

And if you don't think there is some element of luck to UConn's recent success, you're blind.

How many people picked the Huskies to win the 2011 title, for example? You don't think the fact that they didn't have to face a single 1 or 2 seed qualifies as "lucky"? They've also missed 3 tournaments in the last 10 years, and that includes last year's team, which had just about the same roster as this year's title team.

While their 3 titles is impressive, it's far from the whole story.

KUsmoothies 3 years, 8 months ago

Geeeez, wow, I'm double posting all over the place. Sorry, I'll work on that.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

For those who are curious, two schools have more Final Four appearances than KU since the tournament expanded:

Duke has 11 North Carolina has 9

And close behind KU come: Michigan State with 6 Kentucky with 5

UCLA/UConn tied with 4 each

And after that I stopped making the effort to count. There might be a couple more schools with four, but I'm almost positive no one else has at least five.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Ralster,100,Bradyndad,& duanep5ku= Kansas Thought Police.

Their moto:

Say nothing remotely critical of Kansas!!

Kansas can do no wrong!!

Kansas is perfect!!

It is perfectly fine for Kansas to lose early in March!!

You are getting sleepy........sleepy!!!!

bradynsdad 3 years, 8 months ago

First off, nice spelling of the word motto. I am a fan and I will always defend it's program. You say you love ku but in my experience when you love something you defend it and do what you can to support it even though it may not be perfect. I hope that you don't have kids or a wife because I could only imagine how well they are treated if you love them half as much as you love ku. If you don't have a clue how to fix anything then obviously you shouldn't critic it. If you know nothing about basketball or coaching then who are you to say it needs fixed? If you know nothing about basketball then how do you know we have a problem in march? Your statements make no sense. If everyone on here bashes you for talking bad about our program, that's right our program not yours, then maybe you should stop and think your on the wrong site.

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Ralster-where you at????? Run away???

theend 3 years, 8 months ago

Careful.....The Kansas Thought Police are out in force today!! Speed traps and stings everywhere!! They will attack you and villify you if you say anything even remotely critical of KU!!!

Do not speak!! Do not write!! Do not even think critically of Kansas!!!

Kansas is Perfect.....therefoer any critical thought or expression is impossible!!
If you dare.....you will be assimilated!!!

Viggo3003 3 years, 8 months ago

I think you are Soobawls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brooksmd 3 years, 8 months ago

(Please excuse my double post this time.)

theend (anonymous) replies… I'm not obsessed.....I want KU to change its program so they can actually compete in March. As of now.....Kansas has no clue of what is needed in March. None.

theend (anonymous) says… Don't assume that a kid with an attitude problem would come to KU and it would all go away. KU has a great program....

Seems to be a contradiction here. In the first you say "KU needs to change its program". And in the second you say "KU has a great program".

I'm so confused. Jaybate, help me.

Geekinout 3 years, 8 months ago

All most every player to transfer to KU has not lived up to the hype! With that said, why are people so anti-Withey? Of course he's not going to be KU's premiere player, but let's not forget that he was injured/sick last year and still can give quality minutes. Plus, he's still somewhat young. He's no Chenowith, yet!

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree. Guys like Rex Walters and Jerod Haase never lived up to the hype, but Withey may break the mold.

Sandeep Kalburgie 3 years, 8 months ago

Rumors abound about Deandre Daniels to Duke :(

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

Rumors also abound that KU is going to get some good news regarding Lacey come Wednesday. :)

RockChalk26 3 years, 8 months ago

Rumors also abound that Trevor Lacey will be partaking in Chili's baby-back ribs tonight with his mom. There is speculation that he will be washing down the ribs with a ice tea, non-sweet.

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

No, no, no, he's getting a deep dish pizza at Old Chicago. Twitter is blowing up about it. ;)

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Second source confirms. Twitter blowing up.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Cal now commenting on the signing. It's over.

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

Links? Articles? Where are you supposedly finding this?

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Despite the loss of Lacey, let's not forget that we already have two quality guards coming in next year!

Michael Auchard 3 years, 8 months ago

Nope, news.google.com doesn't have a single news organization supporting this. I don't see the Twitterverse blowing up over it, either. There are still tons of UK fans pleading with him to come to their school on Twitter.

waywardJay 3 years, 8 months ago

Nothing on Kentucky's athletics page. do yourself a favor, research before you post.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

Violation of team rules. He'll fit right in. A load of Buie, I say.

JHAWKNPHX 3 years, 8 months ago

UK is only reporting that the used car salesman had a visit with Lacey and Bill Self is next. The troll is a troll

http://www.nationofblue.com/coach-cal-visited-trevor-lacey-today-6740/

Jabez Harlan 3 years, 8 months ago

Poster theend has repeatedly made the comment that KU is failing in March and I will gladly dispute his claim. Over the past five years (2007-2011) KU has actually peformed well compared to its peers. Peers include Duke, UNC, UK, UConn, Florida, UCLA, Ohio St., Pitt, Syracuse, Mich St., and Butler. These teams have been included based upon perception of being highly rated programs over the last five years or having the perception of performing well in the ncaa tournament.

NCAA tournament wins 2007-2011

Syracuse 6-3 -missed 2007,2008

Pitt 8-5

Kentucky 8-4 -missed 2009

Ohio St. 9-4 -missed 2008

Florida 9-2 -missed 2008,2009

UConn 10-3 -missed 2007,2010

UCLA 10-4 -missed 2010

Duke 11-4

Mich St. 12-5

Butler 13-5

Kansas 15-4

North Carolina 16-3 -missed 2010

This shows that KU is tied for the most games played in the tournament over the last five years and is second in wins. I would invite theend to find a team that would beat out KU in wins other than UNC over the last five years.

If not, then shut up about KU failing in March and stop being critical about Bill Self and his staff. Stop insisting KU must change and that something is wrong with KU in the tournament. In short, recant all your comments!

Trey Hohman 3 years, 8 months ago

Just finished watching the Bulls/Pacers playoff game. They do not play B. Rush nearly enough. (14 mins tonight) He's the only guy on the court & maybe in the entire Eastern Conference who can guard D. Rose effectively. I think the Pacers coach needs to be fired. Their offense sets look like that 1970's electric football board game with Pacers players running around the court in a complete unpredictable manner. Paul George seems to be taking most of his minutes from B. Rush. except he cannot guard anybody. Granger is talented, but is way too soft on defense. And Tyler Hansbrough literally shoots the ball everytime he touches it no matter where he is on the court......Nobody on that team can shoot 3's consistently... except Rush.....Their two best defensive players (Rush & Hibbert) played a total of only 35 mins. tonight. Bad coaching.

Torisen 3 years, 8 months ago

Huh, so Joe Lunardi's bracketology for next year is out. And he has KU as... a 7 seed? Really?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

msthompson37 3 years, 8 months ago

Sorta like Jeff Whithey. 7footer that never plays. I say pass but what do I know Bill Self is the EXPERT?

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