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Tuesday, April 12, 2011

A family affair: Josh Selby, Tyshawn Taylor hot topics at season-ending banquet

Members of the 2010-2011 Kansas basketball team laugh as head coach Bill Self, not pictured, cracks a joke during the team's banquet Monday, April 11, 2011 at the Holiday Inn Lawrence.

Members of the 2010-2011 Kansas basketball team laugh as head coach Bill Self, not pictured, cracks a joke during the team's banquet Monday, April 11, 2011 at the Holiday Inn Lawrence.

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The Morris twins are in agreement on which NBA team they'd like to play for

Marcus and Markieff Morris are in agreement on which NBA team they'd like to play for. The two spoke to reporters on April 11, 2011, after the KU men's basketball banquet.

Marcus and Markieff Morris talk about the impact KU has had on their lives

Marcus and Markieff Morris, who declared for the NBA Draft last week, talk about the impact KU has had on their lives following the KU men's basketball banquet on April 11, 2011.

Tyshawn Taylor, who arrived at the Holidome with a bulky, black splint on his right hand, and Josh Selby, who didn’t show up at all, provided two of the hottest topics of dinner conversation at Monday night’s Kansas University basketball banquet.

Taylor, KU’s junior point guard from Hoboken, N.J., had surgery on Friday to repair torn ligaments in the index finger on his shooting hand. It’s an injury that has plagued him off and on since high school. He’ll be able to resume pick-up basketball in late May or early June.

Selby, KU’s freshman combo guard from Baltimore, remains in Las Vegas working out at Impact Basketball as he decides whether to enter the NBA Draft or return for his sophomore season. Various NBA analysts have said he’s learning toward playing for pay next season.

“Josh is getting information through workout people in Las Vegas, trying to get some good feedback. We’ll have an answer the next day or two,” KU coach Bill Self said, indicating he was not upset at Selby for missing the proceedings.

“I talked to Maeshon (mom) today. That decision is coming real soon,” Self added. “He has done the work he needs to academically to pass his classes, but he’s been gone six days. If he’s going to come back, he’ll be coming back real soon. If not, he won’t. Certainly he will salvage this semester academically and pass his classes, which is good.”

Taylor seemed relieved to have had surgery on a finger that, according to Self, “dislocated almost every day (second half of season).”

“My ligaments were all torn up. I mean, it was jammed. It got to the point it wouldn’t jam any more. Every time I got hit, it’d pop out,” Taylor said, noting “once I realized my ligaments were torn, it was midway through the season. With six to eight weeks (of) rehab, it was too late to do anything about it. They cut me open (Friday). They tied some stuff together to make it stronger.”

He didn’t make excuses during the season, but now that he looks back, “I couldn’t shoot with my fingertips,” Taylor said. “I was using my palm a lot. I got my stroke down toward the end, but I changed my shot a lot. It didn’t affect how I dribbled, catching the ball or playing defense, but it was uncomfortable playing with my fingers taped all year.”

He said the finger surgery is one reason he elected to not test the NBA Draft waters.

“When you are at this level, in a program like this, there will be a thought in my head,” Taylor said of turning pro. “I definitely thought about it. I didn’t hear too much (about his draft stock). I didn’t have too much to go off of.

“It was me thinking I was good enough. I mean, it’s my dream. If I feel I’m good enough to be there ... looking at the draft board, comparing myself to those guys there, I think I can play in the NBA. My time is going to come. I’m not rushing it. I will get a degree, and I’m excited. We’re going to have a good season.”

KU sophomore forward Thomas Robinson said his decision to return for a third year was definitely a tough one.

“Just the fact it’s what I’ve been playing for my whole life. You feel you’ve got there already,” he said of positioning himself for the NBA. “I look at the fan support here and everything I have not accomplished. If I leave now, my legacy would not be how I want it. I want to come back to school and make a name for myself as a Jayhawk and try to improve to be one of the best bigs in the country.”

Also, “with the potential NBA lockout, there may be no training camps. I have one of the best big-man coaches right here. Another year with D. (Danny) Manning is huge for me. I want to come back and be leader of the team.”

The Morris twins, who are leaving KU after three years, are confident they made the right call. Self on Monday said it was a “no-brainer” for them to leave.

“There may have been some deliberation, but it was strictly emotional,” Self said. “From a factual standpoint, they needed to go.”

Marcus Morris said: “At the end of the day, it’s why I play basketball, to achieve my dream, to have things I never had and live the way I never lived before. It’s not about the money, it’s about the success. I’m happy having a coach backing my decision and not going against it. I feel the time is right.”

As far as the monetary part ... “It will definitely help my mom out. Some people can’t imagine where I came from (Philadelphia) and the places I lived before I came to Kansas,” Marcus said. “If you knew my story, you knew things I never had growing up. You’d understand why.

“I’ll be back here a lot. I feel I have to come see my little brother ‘T-Rob’ (Robinson) play. He is family to me, one of my brothers. I have to come back, make sure he’s fine, things like that.”

Marcus said his mom, Angel, likely would keep her apartment in Lawrence. “She’s taking care of T-Rob, too,” Marcus said of Robinson, whose mom died in December.

Markieff Morris said he’d like to be drafted, “by whoever would pick me and my brother. That would be my favorite team, the team I’d want to play for.”

Marcus added: “Even if I went in the second round and we went to the same team ... I’d take that.”

Several Jayhawks commented on Selby’s situation.

“I wish him the best of luck whatever he does,” Taylor said. “I’ve not talked to him much. I’m not sure what he’s thinking.

“Our guard play is good. With him, it makes it better. I think we’d be really good. I think we’d be good without him, too,” Taylor added.

Noted Marcus Morris: “I talked to him a couple days ago. He said he wasn’t sure. He’s weighing options. Hopefully he comes back, or whatever he does I hope he has good success at it.”

Added Robinson: “I talk to him a lot. When we talk, it’s not about basketball. Right now, he has a lot on his plate. I feel I know where he’s coming from. I’m sure Josh will make the right decision.”

Comments

ldjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Selby is gone otherwise Taylor wouldn't have said the team next year would be good without him. Best of luck to you Josh, but unlike TRob who leaves a true legacy to jayhawk nation you are making a name for yourself as one of the most laughable jokes to have ever played at KU.

Our starting five next season: Jeff, TRob, Ben, Travis, TT. Should be a sweet sixteen team anyway!

jayhawker_97 3 years, 11 months ago

nice way of showing how supportive a KU fan you are, ldjay.. another one more reason why Selby would not be thinking coming back. he hasn't even made up his mind yet... geeesh.. he's a very talented player for all i know and as a fan, i thanked Josh to pick KU and be part of the team.

dear Josh Selby: i wanted to wish you a good luck and success of whatever your decision is. i still wish you'll be coming back to KU squad, though. prove us that you're born to ball this coming season!!

rock chalk!

ldjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Jayhawker_97, your final four picks were way smarter than your view on this Selby dude.

Seems you are an admirer of this supposed-best-recuirt in KU history? Did you only watch him playing the last 30 secs of his first game?

Selby came to KU not to leave a legacy, but to be on those Big Mondays. If he had cared this program, he would have declared him staying long time ago.

As a college player, Selby showed he is a team guy and words were he was a pleasant young man to be around. But from a competitive level and a being thankful stand point, he isn't making him a popular ex-jayhawk among KU fans. No many can deny that.

You should send your touching letter to him over Twitter and see if you get a reply, yeah? Since you have lots time supporting your idol. Lol.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Jayhawker, I'm going with Idjay on this one. Selby greatly disappointed this year. That doesn't make Idjay a bad KU fan. Your comments make you look like the glass is almost entirely full type of fan.

And everyone posting these things bragging about being 1st, why are you up at 2:30 in the morning?!!!

ldjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks fan83, glad to won your support on this. Like evety ku fan I want Selby coming back to win us over. But all signs suggest its not gonna happen.

As for the number 1 post, I live in Asia and Europe so time difference always does me the favour for being the first to check this website's stories!

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow, so it's almost like you know what's going to happen before it does?

And as a geography major at KU back in the day I'm not satisfied with Asia and Europe. You live in both places? Just curious.

cklarock 3 years, 11 months ago

Well said, jayhawker_97. Josh had suspension and injury problems this season, but neither of those things make him a bad teammate or "a joke." He is and will be a Jayhawk regardless of what he decides to do.

@ Josh: we all hope you come back so we can watch you play in Allen Fieldhouse another year, but more importantly we want success for you and your family, whatever you decide. FOE.

KU_alum_2001 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm with Jayhawker. Just because a guy doesn't meet our expectations as a fan doesn't mean we were better off without him or that we will be better off going forward. He's still a Jayhawk, no matter how you look at it. The man wore crimson and blue.

And wissoxfan83, Jayhawker never said that ldjayhawk was a bad fan; he said he wasn't being supportive of Selby. Don't go making up false rumors and reporting it like fact.

I agree with Jayhawker. Selby disappointed, I wish he would return, I doubt he will, and so I wish him the best. The rest of you shouldn't take it so personally. It's not like he's your girlfriend that just left you for someone better. He may not have helped the program but he didn't hurt it.

John Randall 3 years, 11 months ago

Sensible comments -- Josh's decision is Josh's to make, and no good reason to give him the grief so many here are determined to continue harping on.

Reminds me of the year RoyW left for what he'd wanted to do all his life, and the fact that KU fans turned into a real lynch mob when a player wanted to go with him. Bill Self's first really class action at KU was helping David Padgett find a good spot to finish his college career when our fanbase literally turned into a pool of piranhas.

BTW, the screen name needs work. First check out a little history on the difference between a Jayhawk and a Jayhawker. The latter were guerillas in the 1850s with no better claim to righteousness than Quantrill's Raiders in the 1860s. The word "Jayhawker" applied to border ruffians from both sides of 94° 38'W longitude.
The KU mascot, on the other hand, was originally a mythical avian hybrid combining a jay's in-your-face feistiness with a hawk's aloof predatory nature. Since its adoption by Prof. Snow's science club, and eventually the University, much, though not all, of the cantankerous, threatening behavior has been ameliorated and in some quarters could even be accepted as politically correct. Not so with the name you're using (hopefully in ignorance, not recalcitrance).

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

Ya right, good joke of starting 5..... Never gonna happen

Andrew Moore 3 years, 11 months ago

Don't be a moron. Don't call our players jokes. They are all people, dealing with problems in their own ways. Selby may have been immature and a victim of circumstance (injury + suspension), but he wasn't a joke. He'll be fine long-term.

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

The "joke" was those 5 players as our starting five, no bash on any of them. Pretty simple to understand statement, it's not gonna happen. Defensive much? Haha wow...

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm not quailified to make a recommendation for Josh to turn pro or not. In my opinion he is not ready for the NBA. I think he has a lot to prove to himself at the college level before he makes the jump to the NBA. He didn't impress this season as some of the other freshman that are making the jump. He needs to come back. Josh if you don't listen to anything else you need to develop 1 more season in college! You WILL improve your draft stock and your chances for imediate impact in the NBA IF you come back. I'm quite sure that if money were flashing my way it would be tough but you need to know the money will be there in a year. I'm not saying this as a fan of KU basketball nor trying to be selfish for Jayhawk nation. Simply I think that you can only improve with another year in college. Good luck in whatever you choose I hope you make the right decision for you and your family.

RockChalk26 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree when it comes to the money. It would be hard for me to turn down too. If he comes back and polishes his game at Kansas, he can improve his draft stock which would mean more money. I'm afraid if he goes now he will go down the same road Sherron is currently traveling.

In the long run, it would be easier to make more money in the NBA by coming back to college for one year and get national exposure by playing at Kansas then being an NBA journeyman.

dylans 3 years, 11 months ago

Probably more money next year for Josh than this year. Alot of projections have Selby going in the second round; out of the guaranteed money and somewhere around 400k to 800k per year if he got a contract at all. IF he can play anywhere near his potential next season Selby would be a lottery pick and make 1.7-2 million per year guaranteed for 3 years. Hope he realizes the risk of going pro this year and the possible rewards down the road.

To the Selby haters: Josh's body language was terrible on the court if his shots were not falling (he looked very pouty) . He played his way out of games on the defensive end too. But he never did anything to harm the Jayhawk image. No elbows, No fights, No on or off court issues. He is barely 19 years old. What would you have done when you were 19?

Selby has tremendous upside don't let one injury/suspension plagued season fool you. Selby can ball. The Jayhawk nation wants to see it in crimson and blue! Josh may be Bill's biggest recruit for 2011 as well as 2010.

Tom Flood 3 years, 11 months ago

The 2010-11 team did not need Selby! The 2011-12 team does, but he is focused on the NBA. I hope the rules change and players can go out of High School and become the next DeShawn Stevenson or go to college for three years and become TRob/Marcus/Kieff and thrive in the NBA!!

You are probably wondering who DeShawn Stevenson is. That is my point!

kugrad93 3 years, 11 months ago

Stevenson is making $4.1 million this season, his second with the Mavs. His career earnings now top $23 million. Not bad for a 29-year-old.

justanotherfan 3 years, 11 months ago

Does staying in college make someone a better player?

Let's look at DeShawn Stevenson. Obviously, a preps to pros guy, he has been in the NBA for the last decade. In that time, he has averaged about 8 points, 2 rebounds and 2 assists per game. Four times he has averaged double figures on the season. Not great numbers by any stretch, but solid enough to merit being on an NBA roster every single year for the last ten.

Now let's compare him to a couple guys that played shooting guard for the man he would have played for had he gone to college - Wayne Ellington and Rashad McCants.

Ellington has averaged about 7 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assist in his two years. McCants is currently in the D-League, although he has played almost 250 games in the NBA (averaging 10 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assist). Injuries have played a part in McCants decline.

Honestly, there is almost no difference between these three players. Two of them spent three years at a highly regarded college program (winning a championship). The other went straight to the pros. Ellington and McCants can only hope that they have as long an NBA career as Stevenson has had.

Now the question is this - had Stevenson spent time in Lawrence, would he have become a top flight SG, among the ranks of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen and others? I don't know. I doubt it, though.

loyal2thaphog 3 years, 11 months ago

If there was a rule in place then like there is today, Stevenson still wouldn't have played a second of college ball. He wouldn't have been eligible because he could attain the minimum SAT score required to play at the collegiate level. Any analogy referring to Deshawn Stevenson is almost completely irrelevant when discussing college basketball.

bhsnowhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

There are plenty of examples of success and failure going from high school to the NBA. I think people have heard of Kobe, LeBron, Garnett, Stoudemire, Ellis, Bynum, T-Mac, the list goes on. I don't think you can pick one name and make an argument out of it. Also there are plenty of examples of players who have played college ball and not thrived in the NBA.

Sam Constance 3 years, 11 months ago

So, I would've previously said that it was unfair to be so critical of Selby, because even though he didn't live up to his lofty expectations, he was a team player, never played the me-first card, and did what was asked of him to help the team.

But the fact that he skipped the season-ending banquet has somewhat altered that view. This seems like the action of someone who doesn't give a crap about his teammates, his coaches, or his school. Maybe to some people we should've been expecting this all along, but this is the first real sign of being a selfish one-and-doner that I've seen out of Selby.

Before now, I thought that Selby would listen to the advice of his coach and what they hear from NBA reps in terms of Selby's draft status before making the leap. I thought that he would only go if he was all but assured a spot in the first round.

Now, I'm of the opinion that he is gone regardless. This gives the impression that he's been intent on going no matter what. Not only do I think that's a stupid mistake on his part, but it's unfortunate that after doing so many things the right way, he chooses to go out like this.

Maybe Self gave him permission and all that. I just think it would've been nice, and not terribly too much trouble, for him to return for the season-ending banquet, whether he's leaving for the NBA or not.

baldwinjhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Nope.. Startin 5. Braedon TRob Travis TT Elijah

addlime 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't see the Braedon thing at all. I don't think he'll make the rotation next year based on what I've seen on YouTube. With hard work he could be a really nice player in a couple years, but not yet. This team is incredibly weak in the bigs right now. KU needs to land an impact recruit now!

John Randall 3 years, 11 months ago

The highlights I saw showed excellent hops, good shooting touch, passing skills, post moves. Not a great deal of polish, but no fundamental weakness aside from youth.

The endorsement from his AAU coach for his work ethic and attitude make me want to trust our coaches' elation with Sunday's commitment.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Selby wasn't a joke. The suspension and injury didn't help, but Self mismanaged him. He never really got the opportunity to showcase his talents by being the primary ballhandler. Plus, you don't start players like Tyrel and Brady over someone with Selby's talent. You have to give a player like Selby some breathing room to make mistakes and not be worried about losing minutes.

dylans 3 years, 11 months ago

Self gave Selby every chance to play. And most nights too many minutes based upon production. Selby was in the game during most of the runs that teams made against KU last season. quick shot= no rebounders in posssition =easy layup for the other team

femmefatale 3 years, 11 months ago

Oxcajayhawk your are absolutely correct. Josh was mismanaged and talentwise TT, Brady, & Reed shouldn't have started before him. Not many people noticed that Josh was not embraced on the court by his teammates...how many times was he wide open & he wasn't passed the ball. Nor did Bill encourage the team to support him. Bill had no offensive plays supporting Selby. Why on earth did Bill not play him in his natural position of point? Honestly I can't figure out he plays most of his players out of their best positons.

John Randall 3 years, 11 months ago

"Plus, you don't start players like ... "

This is a bad approach, telling me what I do or don't ...

If a player is too talented to be accountable, would I be a coach or just another promoter?

Scott MacWilliams 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey, two nights in a row, first comment? there's something to be said for being a night owl on the left coast... I can't imagine trying to play effectively with a bunch of torn ligaments in my fingers. Fricking OUCH!!
TT was giving it his all, seems to me, not slacking as some have insisted. I'm glad he'll be back to step his game up and hopefully be healthy, strong and lead us to another NC. With TRob back and determined to make his own legacy (beyond having suffered the worst family-tragedy season of any Hawk in history), I wouldn't be surprised to see him making some all league, etc. lists next year. Sure, we will miss the power, communication and grace (not the tempers) of the twins. But with TRob stepping into the limelight, fresh faces 'Big Rock', 'Run BMc' and whoever else signs up to join the team, I think we're in good shape. R O C K C H A L K !!!

jayhawker_97 3 years, 11 months ago

GB, sorry, this time you're a tad late, but i acknowledged that at first i thought TT was not playing to his ceiling. i'm glad there's a good explanation behind all that. i just wish it was being communicated earlier during the season.

jayhawker_97 3 years, 11 months ago

GB, sorry, this time you're a tad late, but i acknowledged that at first i thought TT was not playing to his ceiling. i'm glad there's a good explanation behind all that. i just wish it was being communicated earlier during the season.

jayhawktalk 3 years, 11 months ago

Despite the recent major positives on the recruiting front, I keep coming back to how much I will miss the twins. Their personalities shown through on the court, both for the good and for the bad, but I think they may be the two Jayhawks in my days of watching where I really felt like I got to know them through their actions and emotion on the court. When they first arrived to KU, I could not believe KU had recruited them. They were so awkward and raw on the court, and then they grew up in front of our very eyes to both become dominant forces. Seeing development like theirs is the single best thing about college athletics, and especially college bball. Besides, there is no better photo opp than getting both their animated expressions in a single frame.

With regard to TRob, and some may think I am crazy in saying this, while I am certain some will not, I very honestly think he has the ability next year to be an All American, and not just receive league/conference accolades. The guy is a manimal, with a heart and motor only matched by his biceps. Seriously, the dude is a freak of nature in the best possible way.

I don't think we have seen it, yet, but I see TT coming out next season with an "eye of the tiger" effect. Many of his recent comments have almost made me forgive the two plays he completely took off, stood upright and did not chase down loose balls during the KSU game... I really need to let that go at some point...

On Selby, I thought he played with a lot of heart this year, despite struggling. That said, if his decision to come back (if that is his decision) is purely based on the hope of putting up huge numbers for selfish purposes, and not for personal and team success, I saw enough forced shots this year to last awhile. We will be better off without a "me first" player jacking up contested 3's, and who still has to be played at the risk of losing future top recruits.

bayareajhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Come back, Selby! Do yourself a favor. You have the talent but it needs to be refined. You will be picked higher in the draft next year and thus make more money than you would this year. Also, what you learn in another year at KU will likely earn you an extra NBA contract at the end of your career when your athleticism starts to go.

KU will be fine without you, and you will be fine without KU. But both you and KU would be better off if you stayed for another year.

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

Selby needs KU MUCH more than we need Selby. We are absolutely stacked at the guard and have plenty of talent to spread the minutes around at the 1-2. If he comes back, great more possible fire power but if not oh well!

Robert Brock 3 years, 11 months ago

C'mon, Taylor and Johnson are athletic but they can't shoot. Selby can do that.

Theutus 3 years, 11 months ago

You do realize that both Taylor and Elijah have higher FG% and 3P% than Selby right?

Lets go off of actual stats, not what the broadcasters claim before the games...

waywardJay 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow that was a pro-Taylor comment.... Wow.... Certainly makes those Bunny free throws he missed early on when he drove make a lot more sense..... Could also explain some of the turnovers.... even though he says it didn't effect his dribbling or passing... One would have to think not being able to move your fingers would have an affect on the ball.

addlime 3 years, 11 months ago

Dude, Taylor's FG% is the result of him getting to the rim. He gets more layups than anyone. His mid-range jumper is non-existent. Not that Selby was any better...

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

He may shoot better next season but he will still be splitting most of his time at the 1-2, he's a point guard not a three. Plus we have his Christian Garrett kid nadiir tarp and Royce on top of EJ and TT. Stacked at the guard slot, Selby is an added bonus.

bayareajhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Like I said, we will be fine without him and he will still make a lot of money without us. But if you think his loss means nothing to our team you are wrong. The guy, by all accounts, is one of the most talented guards to come around in the past several years. Any college team would be lucky to have a guy like that, especially now that he has a year of experience under his belt.

Michael Auchard 3 years, 11 months ago

If Selby leaves, it's a mistake, bottom line. I hope he can see that. A year of him playing up to his potential could literally multiply his income as a pro. Nobody drafts a shortish guard off of HS potential after he couldn't perform in college.

Josh owes it to himself to come back and dominate, just like his pre-season rankings indicated he would, like he was supposed to play last year.

There are a lot of 6'2", 6'3" guards who turn it over a lot and throw up guarded threes. Not too many who play in the NBA, however. Even most D-League guards have handles better than what Selby showed off last year.

It's all the truth, but: Best of luck whatever you decide to do, Josh.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 11 months ago

I absolutely hate our front court next season................we are in a terrible posititon as far as depth goes. T-Rob and Withey? Who else realistically can play the 4 spot? We need Deandre Daniels on this team.

KURob 3 years, 11 months ago

Ugh, not to be mean, but a lot of Jayhawks need to look up Daniels and watch him play a bit. He is 6'8", but that is where is connections to the 4-spot end. He's a tall wing, a lot like Chris Douglas-Roberts was for Memphis. Him filling in at the 4 will be equivocal to Releford filling in, with a couple of extra inches for defense at best.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't care. I'll take a versatile wing player that is 6'8" that I'm sure has an inside game and outside game as opposed to putting Releford inside. Either way, we need bodies over 6'5" and he has one.

ku1otaku 3 years, 11 months ago

THANK YOU! I am so sick of people putting him in the four position.

Kevin Studer 3 years, 11 months ago

If Selby goes now, he will spend the bulk of the year in the D-League. Ask Xavier Henry and Cole how much fun it is to sit and watch others play. Being drafted on potential means a whole lot of bench warming.

ku1otaku 3 years, 11 months ago

For the record, Xavier Henry has been hurt. He has actually played pretty well when he was healthy and even started a few games.

denverjhwk720 3 years, 11 months ago

Henry started a good amount of games he played in this season. He was out a lot of the season because of injury.

cobweb 3 years, 11 months ago

I believe Selby and his mom said his first priority at KU was getting his degree. Oh.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

I remember that very same comment when he committed a year ago. His mom was very insistent that he needs to get a degree and that basketball would come second. Glad someone else remembered that article too.

KU_alum_2001 3 years, 11 months ago

And you believed that for a heartbeat? Seriously?

And my goal is to create world peace but I'm not going to quit my day job.

Chicago_JHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

I think we're a better team with Selby on it, but not sure his departure is the end of the world. It's obvious he'd rather be somewhere else, and the way he's handling the situation is awful. Hopefully he'll confirm today or tomorrow and KU can move on.

BewareOfThePhogOnTheWater 3 years, 11 months ago

Rock Chalk Jay Blog is reporting that according to his source Josh is declaring, but didn't have info on whether or not he will be hiring an agent. If this information is, in fact, correct, Josh better get back to Lawrence to save his position on the team just in case he isn't hiring an agent. RCJB also reported that Josh's locker is totally cleared out, like in senior player gone cleaned out. Unacceptable and not a very positive for a team player. I wish him well, but he needs to draw a line under this drama now!

KUSHELLY 3 years, 11 months ago

and it takes 7 days to figure out if you are good enough to play in the NBA .. gee, what does that tell you?

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 11 months ago

I see threads of cynicism in blogs about Josh. It goes without saying, this young man has gone through stuff that many us would not experience in a lifetime. I wonder how I might have handled it and perhaps many of you have to do the same. Of course I would love to see him return and develop under Coach Self and his staff, but let us give him the space to make a decision as to his path toward a lifelong dream and regardless of what it is, let us give this young man our total support. He has deservedly won my support!

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

Ya it's terrible how Selby is handling his workouts for NBA teams, getting ahead in his classes so he could miss a week+ and still be in position to pass his classes. Or how about how he and his mom have been in contact with Self, and telling him their timeline for a decision. Absolutely AWFUL! How dare he keep jayhawk fans waiting on him!! Get over yourselves and YOUR need to know what he's going to do, he isn't keeping other players from committing here if they want to. Selby needs KU way more than KU needs Selby, we are stacked for next year. I really doubt Self is sitting next to the phone in his office waiting for Selby to decide what he's gonna do. Yes Deandre Daniels is "projected" as a wing in the NBA but what you are saying is that he won't fill out, add muscle and leave college another 20+ pounds heavier, where he could go inside and play the 4 position. If DD comes here with Bmac he will be put with the bigs to play a BIG small forward 3 position in the post, unlike Bmac or releford who would play a more outside slasher 3. Plus DD, Traylor, Anderson, and Portor are all within an inch of each other and within 10-15lbs right now, so you are basically saying none of our recruits are going to pan out as interior players and will all be wings based on their high school weight..... Hudy knows what she's doing and so does Self and Dooley, enjoy the remaining recruits we get in and trust the coaching staff to do what's needed!

hawkmaster 3 years, 11 months ago

Whatever Selby does is fine, I'm not losing sleep about it! I'm not sold on these "one and dones" the way KU plays ball. Personally, I don't think X helped us much, a 6'7" spot up shooting wing didn't bring much to the table, anyone could have stood out there and shot 3's like he did. He probably won us 2 or 3 games, but where did that get KU in the big picture, a quick exit courtesy of NIU, where X did not show up. I would have rather Releford started instead of X, and developed Releford for the long haul. I know Self feels compelled to play a one and done if he gets one, because he wants to show future similar players they can start at KU. Bottom line, with team play being the focus of Self, a one and done won't dominate at KU like they do for Calipari who plays a pro dribble drive offense with focus on "individual" instead of team. In my opinion, KU is 0-2 with these one and done players, both X and Selby. As much as I despise Calipari, he gets them to play ball for him and it just isn't working for KU. If Selby declares for the draft this year, I doubt if he ever becomes an NBA starter or even a serious sub, he will fall by the wayside and remain a mere footnote in KU history.

Jabez Harlan 3 years, 11 months ago

X did not lose that game against NIU. Sherron Collins did. Go back and check the stats.

BTW, TT had a horrible game as well against NIU.

Woody Cragg 3 years, 11 months ago

Gotta get some BIG guys to play the paint with TRob. Once he gets in foul trouble we're in deep caca. Too many teams play JB's Xtreme muscle ball & finesse will only go so far. Blue collar guys that will do the dirty work like Jackson & Kaun did. They don't have to be ranked on Rivals to do that, just willing to put in the blood & sweat to get better, and maybe stay four years to boot. JMO

Doug Fogleman 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree. A lot of the time no one knows the name of the best rebounders. It is more will than talent.

tahawk81 3 years, 11 months ago

I think what some are missing is this is going to be a very weak draft. If im Selby im going to take a good look at going pro as well. Next year could be one of the deepest drafts in history. To get to the second contract he would probably be better off coming back for a year. But if someone is going to take him in the first round this year he has to go IMO.

hawkmaster 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't know who "xfitter" is talking about, he needs to check the facts. KU doesn't have any committed recruits for 2011 or 2012 named Traylor or Portor, and DD is still looking at Duke! To assume they are coming to KU is stupid, especially given a slow and uninspired 2011 recruiting year. Otto Porter from Missouri, rated #97, is one of 10 Rivals.com top 150 recruits for 2011 that has not committed, but KU has not even offered him according to Rivals (Georgetown and Mizzou have offered), so I don't see KU getting him. Jamari Traylor, 2011 class power forward, hopes to make a decision by end of April. Only reason KU recently started to recruit Traylor and offered him, is he plays on the same team as Daniels. KU hopes that will help bring Daniels to KU, as Daniels starting to slip away from KU. Traylor is not rated by Rivals.com but has been offered by Indiana, St. Johns and others - - KU late to the table. Braedon Anderson was a good late grab by KU, but KU needs to add another big man for 2011 although the best of 2011 have long been committed to other teams.

drwho127 3 years, 11 months ago

Traylor is visiting OSU cowboys this weekend and is planning to visit KU before he decides (according to zagsblog). We may not have offered to Porter, but he is on our final list as well as Mizzou and Georgetown. He visited Georgetown this past weekend. He may be coming to visit KU soon as well. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/article_b8448e88-fd62-5f33-89b7-066cf98563d1.html

Traylor and Daniels both are from IMG. They can easily talk about how they want to play together and that could happen if they come to KU. Christian Garrett is here as well. He averaged 14pts 7 assists and 6 rbds at IMG. Those are pretty good numbers..excited to see what he can bring to KU.
Anderson is friends with Daniels and he thinks Daniels will come to KU. http://www.joedavismedia.com/rcjb/?p=1685

We def. need to get 2 of these 3 guys. (Porter, Daniels, Traylor) If Selby goes, we could get all 3. I know we are recruiting Trevor Lacey but he will more than likely stay in the SEC closer to home. Who knows..he may come visit KU before he decides as well.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Someone yesterday posted a Jayhawk roster for 2011-12 by position. They mentioned Otto Porter. I hadn't heard of him and I didn't question it because I didn't want to look stupid. So whoever it was posted KU's roster based on guys who KU don't even have yet. Even Meclemore has only given an oral commit. Sometimes fans look really dumb.

Viggo3003 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok if I should know this sorry but who is the big guy to the right of Morris in the front of the picture? Is that Langford's brother? He's a big dude, what's his story?

BewareOfThePhogOnTheWater 3 years, 11 months ago

If you are referring to the guy behind Morris on his left side in the dark shirt with a striped tie, yes it is Keith Langford's brother. His name is Justin Wesley, and he will be eligible to play for us next season. He is a super nice guy. He is a small forward at 6'8" and around 205 lbs. He is a walk-on, and I believe that his tuition is compliments of Keith. He transferred to KU from Lamar, and thus had to sit out this year. I, also, think that he is an Econ major. Hope this helps.

ku1otaku 3 years, 11 months ago

You forgot to mention his favorite foods and color. :)

Jonathan Allison 3 years, 11 months ago

yes, the guy behind and to the right of Marcus in the black shirt with the black tie is Justin Wesley. That's Langford's bro.

Jared Grillot 3 years, 11 months ago

And nice to have some of the Super K DNA back out on the floor for us, even as a walk on.

Brad Boline 3 years, 11 months ago

At this point I really don't know if Selby is a good fit at KU, he seems very self absorbed, and his attitude can be a back breaker for any jayhawk (player or fan). We all know he needs another year, but he certainly thinks otherwise. So all I got to say is good luck in the NBA Josh, your going to need it.

Jabez Harlan 3 years, 11 months ago

bologna! KU needs Selby. He is a team player and KU will be better off if he is in a jayhawk uniform next year!

Brad Boline 3 years, 11 months ago

yeah he is such a team player while in Las Vegas, and the rest of the team INCLUDING the Morris' are at a team banquet.

El Jay 3 years, 11 months ago

if Selby leaves I think thats a mistake. Im glad he came to KU, but to be totally honest, if his career as a Jayhawk is over, he really was totally irrelevant. I really dont think he made a difference in this season (except maybe one W against USC) but it wasnt all his fault. Im really not that worried about it one way or the other, however, Im a little annoyed that he couldnt make the banquet. I dont think the twins leaving means FOE meant nothing to them at all, but it sure seems like it doenst mean as much to Selby as it does to everyone else. That irritates me. I wish him luck one way or the other, but it bothers me that he couldnt leave Vegas for a night to come celebrate a successful season with his teammates, KU family, and coaches. Its probably the last chance he will have to be with that whole group at once again. Very disappointing, just like his KU career has been thus far. Hope he comes back and changes that

REHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Viggo, I think that is Justin Wesley, Langford's brother. That kid has now spent two years playing and practicing NCAA hoops. Gotta hope he can be counted upon for some dependable minutes next season. Jeff Withey, you have to beef up this summer and step up your game in the fall. We need your height, lots. And work on those freethrows daily! As for Selby, it is sad that his dreams got derailed this season. Jayhawks are good to go from the perimeter, with or without him. He is always going to be recognized as a Jayhawk. I wish him the best. Bill Self and Co. will land another big or two by August, probably before summer session begins. Pickings are slim, but I won't be startled to see another gem pop out of the woodwork. I like what I have read of Braeden Anderson's comments. He might be a year away from making much of an impact, but if he responds to Andrea and Danny in the manner of the twins he will develop into a stud, well beyond his 3-star rating.

REHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Tyshawn, good luck with a quick recovery from the surgery. After coming back from the suspension, you played like a champion late season, even with the taped fingers. Fans are counting on you and TRob to lead this team to an 8th consecutive league title and another fine chance for a national title next season. Every step you take, dribble and shot you make, will be essential to your own professional opportunity. You are a very rare talented 4 year Jayhawk who will sign a pro contract with degree in hand. Give it your ultimate best these next 12 months.

RockChalk26 3 years, 11 months ago

+1

He will be one of the smartest NBA players in the league :)

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

Really guys, " How dare selby." Come on, before you make any huge leap, you see where you are. You test the waters a little bit. Selby In Vegas is a smart move for his future. If he can keep his grades up of course. If the scouts tell him he will be a sure fire 1st rounder, why should he pass it up? If they say go back and refine your skills, does that make him dumb for going? Hes getting an idea. Us fans werent in his life, we dont know what hes going through. We just see what is on tv. We get a couple hours a week to hear but he lives is life 24 hours a day. He should a come back, but its not like this kid grew up in money. Your life changes when guys start talking about giving a million bucks a year. Before you judge him, go through what he has and then tell me how it goes.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 11 months ago

For Josh:

WACO, Texas (AP) -- Baylor freshman standout Perry Jones is staying in school.

Long expected to be the Bears' first one-and-done player, Jones instead Monday said he was returning to Baylor for his sophomore season, even though he will have to sit out the first five games. He likely would have been one of the top picks in the NBA draft this summer.

"I really believe that I can grow as a player and as a person if I stay one more year at Baylor University. This is a pretty tough decision," said Jones, joined by his parents for the announcement. "It was hard. I mean you see (NBA draft hype) and that is your dream all of your life. You see you can go number one. I mean, it is in the back of my mind but I know that this is the right choice."

Jones said another year of development "can only make things better for me."

The 6-foot-11 forward was the Bears' highest-rated recruit and played up to expectations. He averaged 13.9 points and 7.2 rebounds while starting 30 games, a school freshman record.

"As the basketball player, he has a special God-given ability in size and talent, but what really makes him special is the type of person he is and that is why his teammates were jumping up and down when he said that," Baylor coach Scott Drew said.

Teammates seemed surprised by Jones' decision, including rising senior post Quincy Acy.

"Quincy's jaw dropped," Drew said.

The only senior on this year's team that went 18-13 was leading scorer LaceDarius Dunn.

"The whole college experience with my teammates, that was a big part of this decision, having fun with them. Just enjoying everything, just enjoying life with them," Jones said. "I do not want to cut that short and just leave out of nowhere. I want to have another good time like I did this year."

drwho127 3 years, 11 months ago

According to Joedavismedia.com, Selby will declare for NBA draft but may or may not hire agent. Not really surprised as we were all talking about it for a while now. He had his locker cleaned up for a while now. http://www.joedavismedia.com/rcjb/?p=1704

KU_alum_2001 3 years, 11 months ago

So Sullinger stays; Jones stays; Hensen, Zeller, and possibly Barnes stay; Plumlee stays; and Thompson, Brown, and possibly Hamilton stay... yet the Morris Bros. and (it would appear) Selby are going to leave? Son of a....

And I've spoken to a certain source in the LA sports agent industry that said the Morris Bros had matching Mercedes Benz's four days after KU's loss to VCU. Uggghhhh... just looks bad if it's true, and I have reason to trust this person. I'm not faulting them but it does lack a bit of tact.

Oh well, it's a business, right?

Rock Chalk either way.

madamhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Josh-I hope your dreams come true. Thanks for choosing KU.

Is it October yet? "It's the most wonderful time of the year".

gchawk 3 years, 11 months ago

It's good to know about Tyshawn's situation, hope he has a complete recovery. Playing with an injury like that, particularly on his shooting hand, is torture, so glad he did what was necessary to rectify the problem. As far as Josh goes, I wish for him the very best. I think at first I felt like a lot of people have stated, and that was that I felt a little scorned, or perhaps betrayed, because someone was actually thinking about leaving MY team, kind of like the betrayal of a partner, but I realize that I shouldn't really look at it that way. Ultimately Josh's goal was to make it to the NBA all along, and even though he didn't have a stellar year, I realize that I don't have the knowledge that the NBA scouts have so I don't know what all they're looking at, but I do know that "potential" is a huge ingredient in what they're looking for, and I believe that Josh has a tremendous amount of potential, and I think we all feel the same way. We, at KU, would just like to be the benefactors of his talents in Allen Field House, hopefully we will. Again, whatever you decide, Josh, I wish for you the best, but I truly hope you decide to stay at KU.

Steve Kubler 3 years, 11 months ago

No matter the claims coming in Selby entered college 'knowing' he was a one and done star that would go early in the first round. His first game he showed he had the capability, then life got complicated. His injury, the fact that everyone playing D1 ball is pretty darn good, and inexperience reached out and hit him squarely in face as it does the majority of freshmen.

But still in the back of his mind had to be the thought 'I'm going to the NBA'. He's human and he's young and the dreams are right there in front of him waiting. Many people are telling him he's ready, he has never been rich and with a word he could be. Or perhaps not maybe he is wrong, perhaps his ability is not enough or just maybe he is not where he needs to be to make his dream come true.

Confused yet? I bet not as confused as Josh is. Leave the kid alone, there are plenty of people telling him what he should do for right or for wrong. He doesn't need the whole world shouting at him.

Chris Bruning 3 years, 11 months ago

yeah thanks selby for: 1. choosing KU 2. helping home streak stay alive vs. USC 3. your way-to-emotional dunk vs. Texas

i don't think you will play in the NBA but i definitely wish you the best!

nothing_but_the_truth 3 years, 11 months ago

I just wanted to point out that at this point and time, Josh is still paying for his flight to and from Vegas on his own dime. Many already question whether he and his mother had the money to make that trip or if someone else paid for it. Well, imagine if he flew back for the banquet and then returned to Vegas for further evaluation. What would everyone say then?

Sure, I wish he would have made it back for the banquet. And I believe, if he had a lot of money he would have made it back. However, I totally understand why he wouldn't want to pay for another flight back and forth if he is not done working out or hasn't reached a decision. And I certainly don't think he is a bad person for trying to determine what is best for his future. After all, it is HIS future that is at stake.

I certainly wish Josh the best of luck with whatever he decides to do.

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 11 months ago

With the precedent of the University paying for flights following deaths, they could have payed for his flights to/from Vegas. His career at KU is now dead and the bereavement that would have taken place at the banquet would have qualfied for the paid flights!

Jonathan Allison 3 years, 11 months ago

I just have to believe that Selby isn't coming back.

Maybe he hasn't made up his mind yet, but the signs are pointing to him not returning. Never mind the rumors about cleaning out his locker and all of that. The guy left campus for over a week to work out with other NBA draft candidates in Las Vegas. He was supposed to be back this week yet he stayed and missed the awards banquet (not a smooth move, and Sherron took a lot of flack for it last year). Tyshawn is saying that he doesn't really talk with Selby, and is saying that KU will be fine without him. His comment just seems a little awkward. You'd think that they'd be close and that Tyshawn would be trying to convince Selby to come back, but his comment doesn't suggest that at all.

I hope that Selby chooses to return, but I think he's gone and I'm OK with that too. Good luck kid.

Jonathan Allison 3 years, 11 months ago

"maybe Tyshawn knows more than everybody thinks, regarding chemistry, regarding the upcoming "integration" of McLemore and Tharpe, and vividly lived thru the "x-periment", so is wisely speaking both sides of the +/- Selby equation. Also, being the senior leader, Tyshawn could well believe Josh is gone, and is instilling confidence in the remaining guards"

I do believe that it's a combination of these things, and I'm sure that Tyshawn is closer to EJ than Selby, but you also have to look their play this past season. Tyshawn was fantastic until Selby was activated. Then Tyshawn was awful until Selby was injured. The two were never clicked together on the court.

Tyshawn seems to have developed into a much better player when he is allowed to be the playmaker on the perimeter that he was unable to be when Selby was playing.

There was never chemistry between them on the court, and it sounds like it was never there off the court either.

Jason Montgomery 3 years, 11 months ago

Best of luck to Selby in getting some playing time in the D-League

RockChalk26 3 years, 11 months ago

Why is everyone hating on Selby? We all knew was a one and done player. Why are you so surprised he is thinking about going pro?

And don't tell me that he isn't ready. His game is not suited for college hoops. For example, take a look at the USC game where he put up 21 points in 27 minutes. It was his first game in a Jayhawk uniform, he didn't know the offensive sets all that well, it was his first time playing with the team in a real game situation, and he was playing with a shoot first attitude. (This style fits the NBA)

Towards the end of the season he learned the offensive sets, he began to understand his role on the team, his defensive skills improved, and he was playing with a pass first attitude. (This style fits the NCAA) This style of play is not suited for Josh.

I have a feeling he will do well in the NBA, much better then some of you a predicting.

RCJH!

Theutus 3 years, 11 months ago

I have absolutely nothing against Selby, because Selby left it all on the court. He gave 110% effort when he was in... Did it appear that he was frustrated at times? Sure, can't blame him.. That being said, he still dove for every loose ball he could, he always put in the effort and tried to give everything he could both offensively and defensively to win games...

This as opposed to Xavier, who in my opinion sand bagged his entire year at KU. I always had a sinking suspicion Xavier was sandbagging, then it was all but confirmed when scouts at his draft camp claimed they were shocked at how aggressive he was and how he attacked the basket... They hadn't seen any of that while he was at KU. Shocker.

Overall, i'll take a guy like Selby any day. I hope he comes back, but I respect his decision either way. He gave everything he had while on the court, and now he needs to make the best decision for him personally. Best of luck to you either way Selby.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

Great post. Everyone bags on selby for not making the good choices(fair points) but then they follow by saying they are glad he is leaving. Im glad someone else noticed that anytime selby was in he gave himself up. Never gave up. Which is why he should stay. Add his effort with refined skills, and you have a star in the making.

RockChalk26 3 years, 11 months ago

Jarrod Haase, my favorite Jayhawk of all time.

Growing up I wasn't the most athletic kid on the court, but I gave 110% and left nothing on the floor. Just like Jarrod.

Michael Auchard 3 years, 11 months ago

After rereading this, I'm thinking more and more that Selby's thought process was that he was planning to get to the NBA strictly for monetary reasons. It's not a want-to-stay-or-leave issue at all. It's not a deal where he likes the campus or doesn't. He grew up in such a tough environment and was probably banking on being able to help his family out after one year. He probably feels pretty bad, feels like he's let down people close to him, now that he's not considered an obvious first round draft pick. He feels like he owes them and needs to get them out of violent, dangerous neighborhoods. Thus, why he's scrambling to find someone to help him get drafted. That kind of pressure I wouldn't want in a million years.

Joel Hood 3 years, 11 months ago

I mentioned his name before - DeShawn Stevenson.

He committed to KU & bailed out late. Everyone thought he would fail in the NBA, but has stuck around for the past 10 years. He has had an up & down career, but this year is he is pulling in over $4 million. Define success however you want to, but when guys like this make it in the league, guys like Selby believe they can too.

I only wish the best for Selby, he didn't create the system, he is only working it and trying to make the best decision. My only concern will be the team chemistry if he returns to KU (I guess it didn't hurt too much when Rush came back in 2007.)

Kye Clark 3 years, 11 months ago

For those of you eagerly awaiting recruiting news with hopes that KU brings in Daniels, Porter, & Traylor, let me offer up this perspective:

With the players we have now plus those that are already committed, we have a pretty good team that isn't too short on depth. It looks something like this:

  • Perimeter players: TT, EJ, Releford, McLemore, & Royce Woolridge. Enough ball handlers to cover the point and enough height to have players for the 3. (This is obviously assuming Selby doesn't return).

  • Post players: TRob, Withey, Anderson, & Wesley. Not an abundance of game experience, but enough bodies to get the job done.

Now we all know Self tends to have a rotation of 7-8 primary guys once conference play starts. There are some question marks there, but it appears that we have enough to field a good team next year. Now consider the guys we are after this year and the loaded recruiting class of '12. Daniels is a 5-star, highly rated recruit, but he plays the wing where we have more depth. I've heard some debate on Porter, whether he is more suited for the post or the 3 (6'8" 190 lbs, awfully thin for the post). And as someone else pointed out, Traylor was most likely offered to sweeten the deal for Daniels' recruitment. If Daniels is as good as his ranking I think you grab that talent when you can, however the point is if you bring in everybody you have 3 guys in Porter, Traylor, & Anderson who are 3-star recruits and are left with only 2 (likely, assuming TRob leaves after one more year) available scholarships to offer potential recruits for 2012. The guys we are after include Perry Ellis, Kaleb Tarczewski, Shabazz Muhammed, & Nino Jackson. And consider you can always get in late on guys the caliber of Porter, Traylor, & Anderson should we miss on those higher rated recruits next year. So the prudent approach is to go after Daniels this year, but that should be it. If you have to bring in Traylor to land Daniels...I guess, and if we fail to land Daniels you can bring in Porter. I just don't think you fill the scholarships simply because you have them available.

Someone said while hyping up the Anderson commitment (and in response to some posters suggesting that we should temper our enthusiasm regarding him) that we should trust Self and his staff. My response was if you truly trust them, then you have to acknowledge that Anderson (as well as Porter & Traylor) wasn't exactly Plan 'A'. I'd just like to not see another case of Quintrell Thomas and Tyrone Appleton, guys brought in the last time we had a plethora of scholarships available, only to be a one-year stop gap and then quickly forgotten. And I'd hate to see us either not have enough scholarships to offer the studs of next years class, or appear to not have enough and have players sign elsewhere simply because it looks like we've got a full cupboard.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

You said Porter as a three star. Rivals and ESPN have him as a 4 star. Espn has Otto couple spots out of being a 5 star.

Kye Clark 3 years, 11 months ago

I stand corrected. I knew he was in the high 90s, and had thought the 3-stars had already started at that point.

WilburNether 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm waiting for one of the idiot fanbois here to call for putting Selby's jersey number up on the south wall of Allen Field House.

Jason Montgomery 3 years, 11 months ago

That one game against USC was huge, maybe he can start a new line of numbers over the urinals

CrimsonnBlueKU 3 years, 11 months ago

I wish Selby the best of luck in his decision and no matter what, us Jayhawks should support our players no matter how short their stay is.

Clevelandjayhawker when did Otto announce Georgetown? Also what is the status on Daniels? Hopefully we hear from other recruits soon as the list of available good players are starting to get short.

FTUCH3432 3 years, 11 months ago

"Josh Selby will declare for the NBA Draft"

http://www.joedavismedia.com/rcjb/?p=1704

Any validity to this/this website?

Kent Kossoy 3 years, 11 months ago

What part of let him go do people not understand?? KU wasted money on Selby. I wish him luck. But his attitude and lack of play will not be missed. ONDs are a waste of time. This is KU not UK. Good bye Josh!

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

can you please explain how his attitude was bad. The kid gets injured twice and gets a suspended(little bogus to me) for the first 9 games and you talk down on him like this? He hasn't even chosen yet, give him a chance to choose before you hang him.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

Rivals shows that Porter is going to Georgetown. Shucks.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

My lasting impression of Selby is this. Blowing out Richmond, semi fast break opportunity and he does the moronic through the legs nonsense. In a sweet 16 game! Against Richmond!

I blame whoever was supposed to be a leader on that team for not running out there right then and dragging him off the court and letting him have it. That shot, and the apparent lack of a reaction from the teams' leaders (Self brushed it off in the post game) was as much a reason for the VCU debacle as anything that happened in the actual game itself.

It's been 26 years since I enrolled at KU and became a Jayhawk. I've never seen a KU team with less class and character than this years' edition.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

haha really? Julian Wright did a showoff dunk against Texas a few years back and missed. But no one ran on the court and to yelled. these are kids, not a bunch of 50 year olds playing a pick up game. Cut him a break. Cut the team a break. The reason we lost against VCU was because we missed open shots, they made them. Simple as that.

Jason Montgomery 3 years, 11 months ago

1-5 in Elite Eight, only common factor was HCBS. That can not just be a coincidence.

Jason Montgomery 3 years, 11 months ago

only bigger choke job then Self's teams in the NCAA tourney was Memphis in that title game.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

With the help of some great plays by KU.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

I really think that the missed shots were a symptom of this team being wildly overconfident and downright cocky. There's no excuse for losing to that team.

I don't remember the Wright play but there's a difference there too. Texas was a powerful team. It was a regular season or possibly conference tourney game. It wasn't when a teams' focus is on high alert like it should be in late March.

And cut the team a break? Why? 4 times in the last 5 non championship years they've lost to a team that they shouldn't. There's a disturbing pattern here that needs to be fixed.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

I could see your argument if they turned the ball over alot but they kept possesion fairley well, I never heard of guys missing threes because they had a big head. Don't understand your Texas point. If you were arguing class, then it doesn't matter who it is against.

4 of the last 5. Bucknell I agree, Bradley okay we were the 3rd youngest team in the nation that year. That one is easily forgivable. UCLA lost, that was a stinking good team. National Title the next year. UNI, I put that on Collins paniking and VCU just one of those shooting days. VCU was extremely hot, I don't think this team had a big head because of the UNI game. Did they talk mess, of course. So did MJ. Yes get off these kids. Your heart hurts from your couch. This kids have to actually struggle through it. They dont need couch coaches to tell them how terrible people they are

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

So do 37 other teams in the tournament every year. Get off your high horse, take off your white wig and stop judging so hard. Conference tourney games are in March btw, when you said teams should be on high alert. VCU was a complete stunt by the NCAA to give credit to all those who want the tournament expanded, thats why they were allowed in. Plain and Simple. A team is too cocky because it misses shots it made ALL season? Really?! You should think really hard about your evaluations and take a more biased approach to next season or find a new team, otherwise you are bound to be disappointed for another 20+ years no matter how many National Championships we bring home. Haters gonna hate, even on their own team.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Hawk 90, forgot about the UCLA loss in there, obviously that doesn't fit. This entire site consists of couch coaches (good term by the way!). So I guess I can couch coach too. I just offer an opinion and xfitter wants me to go get a new team?
xfitter the VCU stunt thing may be true, but it's hard to argue what they did in the tourney.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

I understand were critics, but we shouldnt attack the kids. I think classeless is a very harsh term. Did they have moment of being classess sure but so does everyone. Just gets a bit tiring hearing people bag on these students as people. Not as players.

manunitedjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

First of all the "missed dunk" was against Colorado. So wissoxfan and hawk90 both of you are off base with any comment concerning that play that happened years ago. Wissox your statements clearly show you have not played sports at a high level. I know when I was a D1 athlete, no matter who we lost to, we thought we "shouldn't" have lost. It didn't matter who the team was. That is not reality, teams lose games, whether it be the 1st or the last game of the season. You can find all the reasons you want, the team was cocky and arrogant, but that didn't keep shots from falling as much as you want to believe that. So if KU had conceited before the VCU game and simply said "this team is on a magical run we can't beat them today," then that would have changed the outcome of the game? As long as KU is on the front of their jerseys as a "fan" you are going to think that we should not lose to anyone because we are "favored" to win. That is not how sports works. 4 out of the last 5 years? These guys play different roles and see different amounts of playing time each year, each team is different, get over it.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

The old if I didn't do it I can't comment on it argument. Congratulations for being a D-1 athlete. I still have a brain and it's my opinion, you'll never prove me wrong and I'll never prove me right, so get over it.
By the way, someone else brought up the Wright dunk, I said above I didn't remember it.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

The attempted windmill was against Texas, it was when KD was there. It was the conference championship game.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey you started out disagreeing with me, now you're backing me up. Thanks!

manunitedjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Youtube? The one I seem to remember is at home.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

Because I have an opinion I'm clueless and I get an F bomb directed at me.. Thanks for being a tolerant fellow Jayhawk. Like I told someone else, you can't prove my opinion is wrong.

mstrausz 3 years, 11 months ago

I hope that Josh does what is best for Josh. Wherever that might be.

I do however think it will be amusing if Selby has an average at best season at KU and get drafted well above possibly one of the best point guards KSU has had in the last two decades. If anything positive can come out of him leaving, if that is what he does, then that will be it.

KU is bigger than one player, but I would love to see Josh come back and earn him a spot in the rafters. I hope we all eat crow when he averages 18 pts, and 10 assists next year. It would feel great to be wrong.

Josh when he had his confidence at the beginning of the year had the swagger that Sherron brought. While I am not a fan of being just plain cocky, a team with some swagger is not a bad thing. I would love to watch him come back and play through the non-con and get in his stride. He would be a completely different player and be a lottery pick next year. Hope he has the courage to walk back in past all the haters and show us what he is made of.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 11 months ago

I am sick of Selby. Let's just hope he does not get injured and KU is stuck with him and his repeat improper benefits while in Vegas.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

I am sick of you. I hope KU isn't stuck with your post...

Ed Brown 3 years, 11 months ago

It was a bit disappointing to not see Selby at the annual awards banquet but I understand if he could't afford it and is playing by the rules to avoid problems if he stays at KU. I think he showed great maturity in sitting on the sidelines because of the suspension, coming in at about halfway through the season and then hitting the freshman wall when the team was peaking. As a competitive as he is, though, I know in his heart he knew he could contribute more but time ran out with his late start. His confidence is down because of it and he is in Vegas giving his all as he did whenever he played for KU. He had moments of greatness and moments of being a true freshman. It would serve him well to go or to stay and we would be better with him on the team but he has to look out for #1. Best wishes Josh.

I was relieved to hear what Taylor was working through because it explains the roller coaster better than what I thought was lack of heart and soul on the court at times. I also understand if it was made public, any good coach would have exploited the weakness because you don't often get that opportunity with Kansas Basketball. Weakness and KU hoops don't go together!

RCJH Go KU

Tyson Ailshie 3 years, 11 months ago

I personally think that this could be the beginning of some great recruiting and developing. The key word being, "developing". I think, going forward, one and done players are better off going somewhere else, like Kentucky. The last two years, our one and done players, have not been able to "get it done" when it matters. I think the key rests in recruiting quality players with tangible skills that can be developed by our coaching staff and give us three to four years to establish a great team.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

The buzz is that if Selby declares, that enhances KU chances of landing Daniels. I wish Josh the very best and hope he realizes his dreams but I take that trade off in a nano-second.

Porter was scheduled to visit Kansas this weekend...I guess the ghost of Patrick Ewing still is strong in Georgetown. At least he blew off Misery as well!!

By sheer personnel strengths, HCBS may have to run and gun more than he ever has before. Utilize our strength on the perimeter to help the forward line. Lots and lots of steals next year would be grand.

HawkKlaw 3 years, 11 months ago

From a development standpoint, it is obvious that Selby needs another year at KU. However, the NBA drafts on "potential". The NBA drafts players that it thinks will be good in 2 to 3 years. Selby is that type of player. He's got the skills to be a stud in the NBA in a couple years. I certainly hope he sticks around Lawrence, but he's not a joke if he doesn't.

Selby wasn't mismanaged by Self (man, I'm really tired of hearing that b.s.). Self gave Selby plenty of opportunities...Selby didn't take advantage of the opportunities (with the exception of the USC game). That's why he didn't get a lot of minutes. Yes, he was injured and suspended at certain times throughout the season, but when he wasn't injured/suspended, he didn't do a whole lot to warrant a starting role or more minutes. Morningstar and Reed were both extremely consistent, which is why they got more minutes. They played excellent defense and didn't turn the ball over (as opposed to Selby, who barely played defense and turned the ball over a lot). I think KU would have lost at least 1 or 2 more games if Morningstar/Reed were used less in favor of Selby and I bet Bill Self would agree.

I hope Coach Self doesn't recruit any more one-and-done players (although, since he recruited McLemore, that doesn't appear to be the case). I would argue that Selby and Xavier actually hurt KU more than they helped (lack of experience mixed with trying to do too much on their own). IMO, that's why mid-majors and smaller schools are having so much success...mid-majors and smaller schools have players who stick around to become seniors. Many times in college basketball experience trumps talent.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

But if he stays and as an All-American year, would it still be a waste? Let the kid choose before statements like this.

Trey Hohman 3 years, 11 months ago

NBA Draftnet (best mock draft site on www.) most current info. has Selby going #3 in the 2nd round (33rd pick overall) to the lowly Detroit Pistons.

Cleveland, Detroit, New Jersey, Washington Sacramento, LA Clippers, and Milwaukee all have picks in that early 2nd round/31-40 area.

I think given the fact that Josh is only 20 yrs old, with a possible huge upside -- he'll have at least 3 years to prove his worth in "The L" after getting picked in the high 2nd round of this 2011 draft (and probably get a guaranteed 3 year deal @ appx. $750K/yr, which has been the current standard for most high-second round picks)

Ironically, I also (sadly) think he might wind up playing more mins. quicker if he declares this year and gets picked in the 2nd round by one of those aforementioned awful teams -- vs. staying an extra year @ KU and probably getting drafted in the late(r) 1st round to a playoff team/title contender (most likely) in 2012 draft....

This site has Jacob Pullen going 57th overall to Boston, btw.

If these draft projections stay where they are – he’s gone.

Let’s go get Daniels!!!!

Trey Hohman 3 years, 11 months ago

From everything that I am reading/hearing about 2011-2012 lockout/collective bargaining agreement in NBA – the biggest emphasis from the owners in the future is obviously on salary control c/o the players. NBA owners are hoping to slash team salary caps by an estimated 33%. What this means to me, is that getting bargains on players is going to be a huge agenda for all NBA teams. Translation: Top-tier 2nd round picks (with potential 1st round talent in 2-3 years time) will get more guaranteed deals for appx. half the $$$ of a 1st round pick. Owners love the idea of stockpiling these 31-45 picks, especially if you are young/raw or BIG. Just look at Mario Chalmers, Dexter Pittman, Armon Johnson, Landry Fields, Lance Stephenson, Da'Sean Butler, Devin Ebanks, Luke Harangody, DeJuan Blair, Sam Young, Jon Brockman, Jodie Meeks, AJ Price, Chase Budinger, Bill Walker, DeAndre Jordan, Semih Erden, etc. etc. (all drafted in 2nd round and currently on NBA rosters) & you can see the trend.

BCRavenJHawkfan 3 years, 11 months ago

So Selby is still in Vegas.............

I have it on good authority that his evaluation out there is contingent on hitting a three....from the NBA stripe. He has been shooting continuous for a week now. The odds are sure to turn in his favor that at some point one of those bricks will fall.

Tongue-in-Cheek for those wondering.

Trey Hohman 3 years, 11 months ago

Chad Ford/ESPN has been continually saying how this is going to be a historically weak NBA draft. Especially at PG/SG position.

1st rd. PG/SG Locks are: Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Alec Burks, Jimmer Fredette (probably) , Nolan Smith, Shelvin Mack (probably) and.......?

I think other PG/SG's like Josh Selby, Isaiah Thomas, Marshon Brooks, Jacob Pullen, Norris Cole could very well be fighting for those last few picks in rd 1....And if Selby has a great draft camp, who knows...? If Daniel Orton and Avery Bradley can get drafted in rd 1, anything is possible.

Ian Sadler 3 years, 11 months ago

The twins sweater vests SCREAM Motownphilly!

eastcoasthawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Congrats to the team for an excellent year! I agree with our new AD. Just need to enjoy the ride!

As for Josh - Kemba just declared so that is another peg further down for Josh. My biggest concern with him going to the draft this year is that he could have similar problems that Sherron had. May not be easy to earn a seat on the bench let alone get in games.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

Little harsh considering he hasnt made a choice yet.

Kye Clark 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree, but you can't completely dismiss the accomplishment. If you do, then you should dismiss the '08 Championship we won as a gift from Calisleazy and his OAD (Derrick Rose) at Memphis.

Janet Olin 3 years, 11 months ago

Rumor has it that Daniels is on his way to Puke, having been poached out of KU's front yard. I'm sorry Josh was injured/suspended most of the season and didn't have the chance to showcase his skill set. I hope he comes back to run a very talented team and get the experience that will propel him to a top pick next year. That said, if he can't come back for the team banquet, he can't spell TEAM, and it is clear his loyalty to KU pales in comparison to KU's loyalty to him. Move on. KU has always been about team commitment and he doesn't appear to fit. Lots of 3 and 2 star players who can play and be loyal. OAD is overrated. Stats favor teams with senior leadership in the NCAA tourney.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

If I never read the article, I would have seen that Josh already chose to leave. He hasnt left yet. Even then he wouldnt be a waste of a scholly. The kid didn't always make the smart plays but he always gave a hundred percent. The last game against vcu he was sliding all over the court for loose balls. The kid put his heart into the season even though he went through so much(have we already forgotten that his best friend died this season? On top of two injuries and a 9 game suspension.) Josh stay another year. But if you dont, I wish the best.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 11 months ago

The first sentence was meant to say if I only read the blog.

Dale Kroening 3 years, 11 months ago

It will be announced tomorrow that Josh is signing with an agent and putting his name in the 2011 NBA draft. Good luck Josh, although I think your making a mistake and another year could do wonders for your game, best of luck ! Maybe this will open the door to signing Lacey, although I'd be surprised if he signs with anyone other than Bama, but maybe Self's recent visit caused him to have a change of heart, and with Selby leaving there could be some open playing time at the 2 for a top 35 player such as Lacey.

FLJHK 3 years, 11 months ago

Re Selby. Looks to me that he is going pro, and if so, good luck to him. I know my basketball eyes aren't as astute as many on this site, but I sure don't see what scouts seem to see in him regarding potential.

But if he is projected as a first rounder, I think he should probably go. I don't think another year at KU does him much good. If his natural and ultimate NBA position is PG, I don't see him getting major playing time there next year. With a healthy hand, I think TT will be a superstar next year.

Had Selby come here without all the overblown hype and ratings, many of us would have wondered why he got the playing time he did. His play was generally not good, and the team often functioned poorly with him on the court.

One thing I don't criticize about him however, is his attitude He dealt with a lot this year, from the suspension to injuries to too much forced play when he got opportunities. But I never saw his spirit wane and he seemed genuinely team oriented and positive in every way. Given all he endured, I think that speaks very highly of his character. So if he is indeed leaving, I only wish him well.

Re the twins, they absolutely made the right decision, but God I'll miss them. The improvement in their games over three years was beautiful to watch. They deserve a special status in Jayhawk history, and I wish them great pro careers.

I'm very happy that TRob is coming back, and think it is the right decision. Also very pleased that Angel remains in Lawrence, and hope she does so for a good long time. She seems to be a wonderful person and apparently very important to both TRob and Jayla.

I'll never fault any of the guys that came from tough backgrounds and have the opportunity to make millions in the league. I hate that the system even allows for one and dones, but I certainly don't fault the players who exploit it.

Next year's team is going to be radically different, and certainly at the start will not be as good as this year's edition. But this year's team was not all that good at the start of the season but became very good by the end, until the VCU debacle. I hope for more of the same next year,

And as always, it's great to be a Jayhawk.

Phogz 3 years, 11 months ago

Got to look at his high school tapes to see that potential.... he could choose to prove us wrong though.

Jaminrawk 3 years, 11 months ago

The thing that's really unfortunate about the Selby situation is that the Morris twins who are ALSO going into the draft, found time to attend the team banquet. They understand "team" and actually care about their guys. Selby staying in Vegas is just kind of insulting to KU when you see freshmen like Barnes, Sullinger, Knight, etc agonize over leaving. Selby is honestly the only recruit I can remember that seems to have no emotional connection to a place he played college ball even if it were only for one year. I don't know him, so maybe my perception is wrong. I just wish things would have been done differently this week. At least Xavier cut to the chase and did everything in person rather than blowing town.

KUsmoothies 3 years, 11 months ago

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of any other KU players that have ever skipped the banquet in past years? This is the first time I have ever heard of this happening.

CherryCreekHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Josh Selby in the NBA? That's a total joke. The guy was a complete bust at KU. But as long as we are playing pretend, my cat Paco will enter Harvard Medical School next year. He's got terrific eyes and can smell out a medical problem a mile away.

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