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Sunday, September 12, 2010

Keegan

Gill engineers Jayhawks’ reversal

Kansas fans surround head coach Turner Gill after the Jayhawks' 28-25 win against Georgia Tech Saturday, Sept. 11, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas fans surround head coach Turner Gill after the Jayhawks' 28-25 win against Georgia Tech Saturday, Sept. 11, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

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Kansas took down a ranked Georgia Tech team, 28-25, Saturday, September 11, 2010.

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Kansas head coach Turner Gill addressed the media after defeating Georgia Tech Saturday, September 11, 2010.

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KU shocks No. 15 Georgia Tech, 28-25

Kansas' defense came up with a fourth-down stand in the final minute, helping the Jayhawks to a 28-25 victory over No. 15 Georgia Tech on Saturday at Memorial Stadium.

The outlook for the Kansas University football team made a gray day in Buffalo seem like a vacation in Cancun. Horrified fans booed. Talk-show callers spit venom, even railing about the players’ white shoes. Fearless forecasters wondered if the Jayhawks could win a game. The dreaded sounds of a season on life support echoed all over town, and 11 games remained on the schedule.

Enter Turner Gill, the chief target of the unrest, the man hired by just-departed athletic director Lew Perkins to the tune of $2 million per for five years.

The same team that looked so disorganized and undisciplined in every way in losing to North Dakota State in Gill’s debut, bubbled over with self-confidence and took it to Georgia Tech, the 15th-ranked team in the nation, 28-25, on a sunny Saturday at Memorial Stadium.

It appears the unconventional Gill has a gift for reaching into the minds of young men and figuring out how to make them believe.

As head coach at University of Buffalo, the most down-trodden of all Div. I programs when he arrived, Gill gained plenty of experience at making kicked dogs learn how to wag their tails.

After such an embarrassing opener, the players felt as if they owed their new coach one, especially considering he didn’t degrade them for playing so poorly.

“A lot of people felt that way,” said tight end Tim Biere, the goat of the Week 1 loss and the recipient of a touchdown pass in the Week 2 stunner. “A lot of us said if he’s willing to go to bat for us every day, we’re going to go to bat for him.”

Steven Johnson, who played alongside the remarkably driven, productive, tough middle linebacker Justin Springer, beamed: “I feel like we’ve got one of the best head coaches in America. Hands down, the best head coach in America.”

After a week of watching the world paint graffiti on their self-esteem and listening to their coach cleanse it the way he did when working in Buffalo, the players responded the way athletes with wounded pride so often do.

“You heard it everywhere,” emerging star receiver Daymond Patterson said. “Social websites, through the media, in the paper, people just talking on campus, people calling you on your phone. You just have to let it go. We knew we played about as bad as we could. The only thing we could do was get better than last week. We really went out there and focused this week. We had really great practices, and it really paid off.”

During his 32-yard touchdown reception, Patterson took so many hits there was no way he could stay on his feet, except he did. Afterward, he was asked how he did it.

“Just because you get hit doesn’t mean you have to go down,” Patterson said of the play and just as easily could have been talking about the aftermath of the shocking Week 1 loss. “You’ve got to run hard with the ball, and good things will happen for you.”

All week, friends became critics. Even the opposing coach, North Dakota State’s Craig Bohl, piled on well after the whistle, blasting the KU effort, physicality and crowd. The amazing free-for-all about the Week 1 free-fall got wilder by the day.

Beyond the X’s and the O’s, the Z’s and the Y’s, the job of a football coach whose team is entering a game as a heavy favorite lies in convincing his players they can lose. For the heavy underdog, the coach’s task becomes making his players believe they can win.

Gill had a particularly difficult task both weeks, and he’s batting .500, wearing the crown as the coach of the most improved team in the nation from Week 1 to Week 2, and just as everyone predicted in the preseason, Kansas started the year with a 1-1 record after participating in two of the biggest handful of upsets of the year.

Gill’s early days at Buffalo, more than anything, gave him a plan to reverse the confidence of his players.

“Things were very bleak,” Gill said. “There was not a lot of confidence, so at least that experience helped me to understand how I need to deal with these young men.”

He dealt with them by giving them a plan. For the defense, that plan involved listening to every word uttered by coordinator Carl Torbush and cornerbacks coach Vic Shealy, both of whom had coached on staffs that played against Georgia Tech’s unconventional, run-oriented offense.

On offense, the plan involved moving to almost all shotgun formation, some no-huddle and a faster pace that felt more like the attack the players knew well under former offensive coordinator Ed Warinner. Gill praised coordinator Chuck Long for communicating the need for the faster tempo to the rapt players.

The negative outside vibes that surrounded the players all week will be replaced by reminders of their greatness. Same voices. Different words. New challenge for the new coach.

“They come in on Monday,” Gill said. “I’m going to read into them and see where they’re at, where’s their focus. I don’t know. It’s my first time now going with this group of guys, knowing how they handle prosperity, how they handle a win. They’ve shown me how they handle a loss.”

Like proud men.

Comments

Scott Lippoldt 9 years, 5 months ago

I read all the negative posts last week...Fire Gill! The Hawks won't win a single game this year! Nice guys finish last! Bring back Mangino! etc., etc., etc. That after a single game with a brand-new coach, completely different coordinators, a whole new system, and last year's team that was supposed to be the most talented ever at KU and managed lost its last 7 games. ((Great coaching and motivational tactics, huh?!)

Yes, we still will lose some games this year, and next year, and the next... But I, for one, am proud to have Turner Gill and his staff at KU and would never, ever want to go back to the coaching "style" of Mr. Mangino. I am an educator, and I firmly believe that young people of all ages will perform their best when motivated through positive means rather than bullying and belittlling tactics. I also highly respect and admire Gill's no swearing and no drug policy--just think what our world would be like if all institutions, companies, etc., adhered to such high morals.

I will remain a Jayhawk supporter through thick and thin. I am glad that a few posters already have come on to say they were wrong and are willing to give this team and coach a second chance. I encourage all of you who were bashing the Jayhawks in the previous weeks to get on board and to post an apology. You do realize that the players and possibly the coaches do read these comments? And for those of you who are too stubborn (ignorant?) to admit you were wrong, GROW UP!!!

RCJH!!!!!

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

Fire Gill! Fire Gill! Fire Gill! Oh...wait... :-)

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

Excellent words, skwahjayog! I was truly amazed at the avalanche of negativity after one loss. One loss!?!?! I know that we live in the age of instant gratification (microwaves, texting, digital cameras, etc), but this is truly ridiculous. We need to think of the KU football program more like a tree that sinks its roots deep into the soil to produce growth and abundant fruit, not like a McDonald's drive-through. Or to use another analogy (as I said in another post), this is a ship that has just left the harbor. There may be a few storms along the way, but I believe the journey will be long and successful. Be patient, people.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

If your question is directed to me, chamberlain, the answer is no. The one part that I had posted previously I referenced clearly, but did not cut and paste. Hope that's ok with you.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

No need to answer that. I just read the lead article and now know to whom you were addressing this question. :-)

kualuminohio 9 years, 5 months ago

Excellent post, chears... Go jayhawks...

OhioHawkfan 9 years, 5 months ago

Holy crap dude, are you serious? Did you really cut and paste the same 4 posts on every article posted since the game was played? REALLY? Wanted to make sure that absolutely nobody missed 'em huh? I'll repeat what someone said to you earlier . . . Where was your support last week? Not one comment. Hmmmmmmm

Scott Lippoldt 9 years, 5 months ago

Does anybody else notice that after last week's loss there were hundreds of posts, but now that we win against a team that was ranked 15th and has been to a bowl game 13 straight years, there are just a handful of comments? Are you all truly that negative of people, hoping that our Jayhawk football team will fail like we always have in the past? This board should be absolutely loaded with excited, jubilant posts--that was a great game for our football program yesterday! C'mon, people!!!!

Scott Lippoldt 9 years, 5 months ago

You all do realize that with our former coach we had exactly one great year, a couple of decent years, and many poor years? What was our overall conference record and our record against top 20 teams during the Mangino era? BTW: that one good year was due to the schedule--if we had to play Texas and Oklahoma and if we ended up playing in the Big 12 title game we would have lost 3 games and not been in the Orange Bowl--and we were lucky to have been selected for that game to begin with. We also played the weakest possible opponent in a BCS game.

I'm not saying I wasn't thrilled, excited, and proud about that year--but let's be honest about what really happened. Then the next year, with more talent than ever, we lose our last 7 games?!?!

Give Gill and company a chance. He already has more and better recruits lined up for next year than Mangino ever did. While we really weren't that good before, I truly believe we have the opportunity to have the best run of football in the next few years that KU has ever seen. Who knows, maybe we can become a basketball AND football school. I doubt it, but I sure am willing to be optimistic.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

I don't think many of our fans have come to realize yet how truly blessed we are to have Turner Gill as our new coach. This man has truly unique qualities within the coaching fraternity in this day and age. That's way so many of these great, experienced assistant coaches wanted to work with him. They recognized that they could be a part of something special here. That's why players want to play for him. We have been given a treasure, and some of our fans perceive him more as a garage sale item. I'm convinced that Coach Gill has the gifts, abilities and character to take the KU football to new heights in the years ahead.

kualuminohio 9 years, 5 months ago

True True, lets get behind Turner Gill...

prairie_dog 9 years, 5 months ago

Judging from the quotes in the article, it looks like the whip from the fans is just what the players and coaches needed.

The fans here will not accept mediocrity or worse any longer--not at these prices.

Good work, Fans, just what the Dr ordered.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

dog, I don't think the coaching staff spends much time reading the posts on this site. :-) True, some of the players probably do, but believe me, they didn't need our comments to get motivated. These are highly competitive and committed individuals who work extremely hard to perform well and to win. I'm sure they found plenty of motivation both from within and from an excellent coaching staff that didn't emotionally crucify them after one bad game.

TenaciousD 9 years, 5 months ago

Dr. Prairie Dog,

Thanks for bringing us that victory. You deserved it. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

murph 9 years, 5 months ago

Don't flatter yourself and your fair-weather friends, Prairie Dog. I believe people a lot wiser AND more closely involved than you are responsible for this turn-around. By the way, don't blame the coaches and certainly not the players for the prices. Yes, they're extremely high, but that's down to our (your?? not mine!) friend Perkin$.

kualuminohio 9 years, 5 months ago

Fans should demand the coaches to field a competitive Team yes, but the negative vibe i got from some of these posts was rediculous... We do need to have high expectations and be of a caliber that can compete with any team be it NDSU or GT. The loss to NDSU was not acceptable I agree, but I never called for coach Gills head. I wished him and the team the best of luck... Go jayhawks, if we are competitive we will win most of the time and be in Bowl games.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated...

Ashwin Rao 9 years, 5 months ago

BTW: for all the folks who care... We did make NDSU look good (see http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=302542460 on how they fared this week.)

TenaciousD 9 years, 5 months ago

Keegan -

Don't you flip-flop on this team and staff, now!

Here's hoping that your next article is your resignation letter.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Coach Gill and team on a great win. Not only did we win but it was also very entertaining. However, one of these first two games was an abberation. I just don't know which game was the abberation yet. A string of victories or a string of losses could answer the question.

mtdewjunkie 9 years, 5 months ago

i will guess that they both were...the team will probably find a happy medium as the season goes on.

Steve Yeakel 9 years, 5 months ago

Great job by the coaches and players, what an inspirational turnaround. All eyes are on you and your faith Coach Gill, do not shy away from that, neither did Joseph or Daniel or Peter or John, keep your faith in Him and allow Him to guide your every step. Your are right that it can be hard to handle prosperity, do not stop to teach them about that part of life and football as well. We are blessed to have you in this job, live your faith in a humble way and help the Good Lord grow His Kingdom in this part of His universe. There are fans and sportswriters as well as players who are being exposed to what a strong faith in Christ can do.

CatsEatBirds 9 years, 5 months ago

Thank you little baby Jesus in your swaddling clothes for giving KU a victory. Obviously since they have no talent or brains the only way they could win was a miracle! Thank you Steveyea for all your prayers. It truly paid off.

100 9 years, 5 months ago

Great to see Cats all over the site trying to get KU fans riled up on faith.

I've been following KU forever, and appropriate programs that are relevant to KU.

For years, KSU was nothing. For ten years you guys were awesome.

Now. Bill Snyder is back, your own personal savior.

Why not go spend some time in Manhattan getting your guys fired up?

Why the sudden fear from teams fans not associated with KU?

Why fear Gill?

I know why.

But I'd like to hear the words out of your own mouth.

If Gill is such a joke why do you spend your waking hours on this site when you could be spending time on your own.

We got a diamond in the rough and you know it.

The Pearson Diamond!

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

Although I passionately share the same faith as Turner Gill (and apparently, steveyea), what Gill does could work for anyone in most any environment. He merely uses principles that are fundamental to the Christian faith: treat others as you would like to be treated. Extend to others the dignity and respect that everyone craves. Genuinely care for their well-being (not just feeding them a line because you want something from them...i.e., to win a football game). Be an authentic person. These principles flat out work because they are based on what is true. An atheist could use these and be successful.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

Uh, to be clear, I guess I should add that an atheist's "success" would be limited to this life only. :-)

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 5 months ago

Hawk316, you speak the truth.

jwliddell, first time I have disagreed with your point of view. Why the hate?

Okay, let's get something straight once and for all. Jesus doesn't come down to earth to direct victories on the football field. God's victories are much greater than that. Coach Gill's faith is admirable. He uses his faith in Christ and what it has taught him to make the people around him better. Anyone wanting to dog on Christians for their principles have no legs to stand on.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 5 months ago

Well said. Eloquent, thorough, and sensitive to all parties involved. We all have the same rooting interest. I'm not ignorant enough to think that I will convince you that I'm right by telling you that you are wrong. God works in his own time. I think having this dialogue is healthy for everyone involved. God bless, and rock chalk!

mtdewjunkie 9 years, 5 months ago

an atheists success is limited to only this life, but a religious man's failures last an eternity...hows that for some greeting card wisdom? why the eff are you guys talking about god?

Eric Dawson 9 years, 5 months ago

How presumptuous of you to believe that someone's faith in a higher power will enable them to succeed against others of like ilk in a relatively meaningless thing such as athletic competition! Every week there are as many coaches and players of strong faith on the losing side of athletic competition as there are on the winning side. And there are many non-believers winning out there as well! [According to the most recent American Religious Identification Survey (2008), 15% of Americans (roughly 45 million people) claim no religion at all].

Your beliefs are yours, so keep them to yourself, and out of our sports. This is not the forum for your prosletyzing.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 5 months ago

  1. It's "proselytizing"
  2. Writing what you did and telling others to keep their opinions to themselves makes you hypocritical.
  3. This is America. We all still have the freedom of speech.
  4. It's called the Great Commission. Telling a Christian to keep quiet about his or her faith goes against the very principles set forth in the New Testament.

I am sorry that you feel the way that you do, but Coach Gill's faith is still an admirable trait in our society. With such interest, it is newsworthy. Since he's KU's football coach, the topic is valid on this forum. I pray that your heart might be softened.

harv89 9 years, 5 months ago

1) And those 45 million need to hear the good news about Jesus. 2) And yes this country was built and created on the backbone of the protestant christian faith that you speak of that was breaking free from British restrictive religious requirements expected of it's people. 3) And faith permeates everything in your life to your goals, your integrity, your ethics and morals, athletic competitions and when you look into the mirror and ask yourself why am I doing what I'm doing. 4) And I'm sorry if people with a small mental view on faith don't want to hear about faith but Gill is a man of faith and that I'm proud of that and it is know and it will be talked about.

James Hubin 9 years, 5 months ago

This country has been built and created on the backbone of more than just a few Protestant Christians. How about the African slaves stolen and brought here to do the heavy lifting? What about the Irish and Asian immigrants? How about the Latin immigrants that are still doing much of the heavy lifting?

notigers4me 9 years, 5 months ago

There was nothing odd about this win Kansas beat a very talented team in Georgia Tech. Last years team at least on paper was more talented than this years team, the loss last week was just a team finding out what they needed to address offensively. The defense was just fine last week they held a division one team to 6 points. You can't ask more out of a team than that. It is always amazing how negativity can rule the day especially when people don't believe in the coaches. Last week some people even wanted Mangino and crew back and was calling for Gill to be fired, are you serious? The number one job of a coach is to not only win games, but to turn the young men they work with into solid citizens. Mangino was never going to be able to do this, how could he? You think a man who was willing to berate a parking attendant for just doing their job was going to turn anyone into a solid citizen? Mangino was lacking in so many character traits, at least the one's that really matter. Coach Gill I would turn my son over to you any day of the week for mentoring please keep up the excellent work that you are doing in Lawrence.

kureader 9 years, 5 months ago

Mangino has been gone since December of 09. You've had enough time to bash him ... move on. ... Great job by Gill and both coordinators this week ... looks like they deserve more credit that many of us gave them after last week's game.

KU_FanSince75 9 years, 5 months ago

All I know so far, is that the Jayhawks have found a quarterback (plenty of room for improvement), they have found a running back (Sims), offensive line is back on track, and our defense is getting better and better under the direction of Coach Torbush. Keep improving and the wins will be there. Is too crazy to say five more wins gets us bowl eligible! Rock Chalk!

cg1029 9 years, 5 months ago

It is always nice to win a game against a ranked team... Espically after the stinking pile of #$%@ that we put on the field last week, but lets not get too excited about beating a team that has ZERO ability to pass. I would be more excited if we beat a team with a QB on the field. Even after KU embarassed itself and their fans against NDSU Vegas opened the game with GTECH as -7 which is a pretty good indication that they did not believe in GTECH either (-14 for game).

This game actually makes me question / blame Gill even more for the loss in the first game... Why did Webb not see the field earlier in the NDSU game... Why did Simms not see the field at all in the NDSU game... When it is clear they are far better options then Pick and Quigley.

lv_jhwk 9 years, 5 months ago

"Why did Webb not see the field earlier in the NDSU game... Why did Simms not see the field at all in the NDSU game... When it is clear they are far better options then Pick and Quigley."

Lucky for all Jayhawks that we have your brilliant powers of observation. Too bad they weren't available during all offseason workouts and preseason practices.

As the coaches even said going in to the NDSU game, you can never truly evaluate a player until they've seen game action. Unfortunately that proved true, although those were far from the only reasons for last week's loss.

John Randall 9 years, 5 months ago

Our Jayhawks didn't win when they were the better team (look at yardage). Our Jayhawks did win when they were the inferior team (ditto).

In both games, the team with more turnovers and critical penalties lost.

Duh, whodathunk?

woodhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

Cautiously optimistic coming into this season, I was completely deflated after last week's debacle. I understand, however, that one game does not a career nor a season make. Gill understands this as well. I believe that how a team reacts to adversity or prosperity reflects greatly on its coach. Well, I think we've seen the core of who Turner Gill is in a mere two weeks. Strong as an oak and unwavering in the midst of intense criticism. Determined to prove - not to us, not to anyone - to himself that he deserves this position and is going to make the utmost of this opportunity he's been given.
As has been said above, we'll take more lumps this season and in seasons beyond, but there is no reason not to be excited about what is going on in KU football. If Gill can take a program like Buffalo to their conference championship in only 3 years, imagine what he could do with all the resources at his disposal in Lawrence.
We have to keep thinking long term with this coach and with this team. Together, they are going to do some amazing things and I couldn't be more excited.
Not quite ready for basketball season...yet.

hawk316 9 years, 5 months ago

What a great post, woodhawk! Wise analysis.

djhawk75 9 years, 5 months ago

It's clear to me that Gill knows how to execute a game plan, that college players love to play for him, and that he has an excellent staff. That's a formula for success. It looks like good things are coming.

Dan Harris 9 years, 5 months ago

Great Job Coach Gill and the entire team! Lets keep improving and good luck next week against S Miss

Ron Prichard 9 years, 5 months ago

Hey Mangino Maniac, where are you? There's a crow looking for you.

gardenjay 9 years, 5 months ago

....except that not everyone was down on the team. The tried and true, go blue fans know about staying power. I remember some very positive comments following the loss to NDS.

Good things happen to good fans who stay to the end of any game and never boo. Why would you every boo yourself, after all?

Also, and perhaps unfortunately, the good moments also pass; and HCTG seems to be good at re-focus - hard work does make next week more exciting, but that is true in all of our own lives as well. Get off your butts my fellow KU whiny alumni and get outside for some all-out harvesting and foraging. RCJH!

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

This article was written by a guy who predicted we would be 4-8 and he couldn't see any way of us being any better.

Like it or not, Keegan is 0-2 on us so far this season. Keep picking us to lose, your track record is perfect.

Eric Williams 9 years, 5 months ago

hawknhutch, i believe you were one of those morons last week. Or did you just have a problem with Gill? And what exactly is your problem with his coaching ability other than his faith?

Eric Williams 9 years, 5 months ago

hawknhutch, i believe you were one of those morons last week. Or did you just have a problem with Gill? And what exactly is your problem with his coaching ability other than his faith?

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

As a Gill fan, and an Atheist. I have two comments.

  1. I could give two flips what religion he is. He's a good coach, and appaears to be a great man. Sometimes appearances can be deceiving, but so far so good.

  2. You contradict yourself, You say this weeks W doesn't make him any better or worse in your eyes, but then immediately go back and question last week's loss more. In other words, he was horrible last week, and was something less than horrible this week. Please explain this contradiction.

John Randall 9 years, 5 months ago

"""How could the coaching staff let that happen?"""

What??? You mean to tell us that the coaches gave permission for the fumbles and penalties that decided the NDSU game, despite the fact KU outplayed them? No way can we put up with that!

mondhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

hawknhutch I agree and will only get more intense disappointment if they continue to win. How could we lose that game and come back the next week and beat tech. We had the talent but you got to play them threw away a game.

murph 9 years, 5 months ago

"Threw away a game"??? Good grief! Get a grip. The people in Kansas uniforms wanted to win last week far worse than you wanted them to. It didn't work out. Period.

Doug Merrill 9 years, 5 months ago

It is notable that Keegan had the opportunity today to note that he was wrong in his writing about Gill and the team after last week, and he didn't do it. It isn't about 'eating crow', it is about good journalism. A sportswriter is supposed to post his opinion and predictions. A good sportswriter will explain why he has those opinions and makes those predictions. A really good sportswriter will return to them and review what he/she got right, and what he/she got wrong, both as an exercise to make him or her better as an evaluator and a writer, and also because it is the essence of the job: evaluating sport.

I have never seen Keegan give much in the way of logical reasoning for his predictions (for instance, he thought Pick should have played the fourth quarter last week because he MIGHT have led a comeback and wouldn't that have been great?) and NEVER seen him re-evaluate when he got it wrong. There are so many potential good writers out there, and we have the William Allen White School of J right here in town...Seems like we could do better.

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

Doug, this is Keegan's way. He aims low and aims lower if he's proven right. if he's proven wrong, he just gushes about the positives and throws Lew Perkins under the bus.

Expecting Keegan to come out and say " ooops.... My bad." is about as logical as a Bill Meyer article, or a Mark Mangino Injury Report.

Key thing to keep in mind about Keegan. He said Sherron would not make the pros ( wrong ), he said we would destroy North Dakota State ( wrong), he said we would get destroyed by Georgia Tech ( wrong ). We shouldn't be waiting for him to come out and say he's wrong. We should know whatever comes out of his pen or mouth is probably wrong.

He's not objective, he's not a Kansas Jayhawk, he's a pompous Journalist who only cares about Clicks. For all the Crap we gave Doogie, at least Doogie was occcasionally funny, oh and Right.

You want GOOD analysis stick with Newell, Sorrentino and Tait. You want National Enquirer, Keegan's your man.

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 5 months ago

Yes! I love it, even when we win, we self implode and scream at each other, even for trying to be encouraging. I guess all those K-State fans are right. We do suck.

gardenjay 9 years, 5 months ago

Some KU fans are spoiled, hedonistic nitwits who went to KU to get a degree in 'not sure', are unfortunately voting, and want everything at their beck and call. Hence KU basketball. In that sense, K-State fans are correct - 'we' do suck.

But I note a lot of thoughtful, positive posters weathered through those comments and like to think we are helping the others understand what being a fan truly means - about being a family in the good sense, and that trying hard and being supportive doesn't have to do with winning every game.

Cal Bender 9 years, 5 months ago

Gill's statements about the great mental attitude the team took onto the field for the GT game, and about his responsibility to see that the confident, winning attitude is maintained for the next game, confirm the proposition that the attitude the team takes onto the field on game day is the coaches responsibility. It's now the coaches responsibility to assure the team maintains that winning attitude. I'm wondering if maybe the positive, supportive words of Don Fambrough didn't have a lot to do with the the attitude of both team and coaches. I'm happy for Don that the interim AD returned his parking pass. Also, after hearing Gill say, regarding such an embarrassing loss as the NDS game was, "It's only one game," I was happy to hear him repeat that philosophy after a win. Obviously my confidence in Gill's ability to coach is elevated. The proof is in the pudding!

Cal Bender 9 years, 5 months ago

I neglected to say, coach and team, that was a GREAT WIN! Thanks. We who have been a part of and supported KU football for almost 70 years are very proud of you. Keep up the good work!

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

You and I have disagree on stuff in the past, However. You are right on the money here. His emphasis on one game at time is real. ALot of people use it as coach speak, something to teach your kids to not give other teams bulletin board material, all the while circling November 13t as the date which matters most. It's good to see in the low and the high, he keeps a level head. That sort ofcoaching may be critical in teaching A quarterback to forget about an interception or to rebuilding a young defensive back's confidence after they got burned for a touchdown. There's always another play, another snap, another oppurtunity. Even after our last game, it was all just a game, after all. Some people harp on Gill's teachings, call our coachign staff soft because we don't allow cursing, because our Coach has morals he believes in, not just uses to bring in 5 star players. It's this sort of Coaching, this sort of morality, that is going to keep our kids right. This is the strength of coachs like Gill, and Willingham. Yeah it's a game, but what they really teach is life. I expect him to win, not for any reason but kid's will play for him. Kids like the kid from Buffalo who wrote to OUR players and told them how excellent Coach Gill was. We all want to see wins, sure. That's the point of the game. To often we forget about the real result, the factual result that isn't measured on a scoreboard, or an NFL draft status. We want to see these young men become great leaders, and that's the priority to Gill.

John Randall 9 years, 5 months ago

CalBender, 2 things:

I like your idea about coaches being responsible for attitude, just not to the point that winning always follows.

Was your father a teammate of my father on the FHSTC championship teams in the 1930s?

mondhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

calbender you must seen gale sayers play?

Cal Bender 9 years, 5 months ago

I had returned to KU for law school in 1962, with a wife and 3 children, and was there during Gale's years. However, with law school classes, 2 jobs and the family I wasn't able to go to the games, but yes, I saw him on TV. As an undergraduate I was on the team in the early 50's with people like Charlie Hoag, Mike McCormick, Jerry Robertson, Bob Hantla, Galen Fiss, Harold Patterson, Ollie Spencer, Bob Brandenberry, and many other great players and team mates. Don Fambrough was my freshman coach in 1950, and after that it was J.V. Sykes as the head coach, and Fambrough was the defensive line coach. I was a starter at end as a freshman, playing both ways, but played very little in varsity games.Those are years I will never forget, and ocassionally I call Coach Fambrough from my home in California to say thanks, and even found him in his seat under the press box at a game a few years back and had a chance to visit with him. Thanks for asking.

harv89 9 years, 5 months ago

1) The players played like they were coached. 2) Coach Gill now has time to implement his plan. This was huge. 3) My wish is for him to have a successful tenure and use his faith based knowledge to cultivate good men.

Adam Evans 9 years, 5 months ago

I have to say, after last week i was just as disappointed as any other KU fan out there. It was a horrible loss. One of the worst we have ever had. And I know everyone is back on the Turner Gill parade float now, but for those who actually had the stones to call for his head last week, I want to point something out. You can NEVER judge a coach buy his first season, let alone his first game. I leave you with this:

Coach K: First 3 seasons at Duke, record 38-47. Fans called for his firing. School kept him. Now look. Dean Smith: First 3 seasons at UNC: 35-27 (2 seasons at or below .500). Fans wanted him gone. Now look. Mangino: First season 2-10 (0-8 in B12 play). Fans wanted him gone. We got an Orange bowl from him. Bobby Bowden: First season at FSU: 5-6. Fans wanted him gone. JoePa: First season at Penn State: 5-5

I could go on, but you get my point. Let's support our coach and give him a chance.

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

BIll self at Oral Roberts.6-21. Calipari at Umass 10-17 ( btw...for a funny aside.... type calipari in google's search box....and look at third most often searched listing ) Izzo 16-16 (9-9) Pete carril 11-12 6 of Jim Calhoun's first 7 seasons were .500 or worse.

Adam Evans 9 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the follow up. Several more great examples of not judging too quickly. And I will be the first on the podium of Gill has seasons of mediocrity over the next 3-4 years. But not just yet.

And I googled Calipari, both first/last name and last name only, and all I got was his twitter page and his coachcal.com page. Did I miss something?

gardenjay 9 years, 5 months ago

Anyway. You can get outside this fall and watch a KU game; just remember not to boo even though you'd rather be watching basketball, and stay to the end of the game. Cheer the defense. Don't make the players ask for noise, and for goodness sake keep the stands full.

But that's not to say in order to 'support KUAD'. The future will tell on that one.

Hopefully Gray-Little is not taken with the sway and popularity of those that make a lot more $$$$ than she does, because they are basically working in the entertainment industry. Whoopppeeee.

Bill Self, Coach Gill and any KUAD admins so totally rely on academics to make those $$$$, which is why Gray-Little should give them the what-for and clamp KU onto KUAD forever with strong oversight from new bylaws.

waywardJay 9 years, 5 months ago

I vote for Kevin Pritchard. We can have Gale be the deputy.

justinryman 9 years, 5 months ago

Pritchard would be a nice choice.

But the way KU has handled some of the last couple of "major issues" who knows what they will do on this one.

JHawk74 9 years, 5 months ago

Last week I posted several times to give Turner Gill a chance to develop this program into his program. Coach Gill took his first baby step into developing a good program with a win over a ranked team. Great Job KU football team for not giving up! Great job Coach Gill for adjusting your starting line up to get your first win as the KU coach!

BUT where are all of the people last week who posted "Fire Coach Gill". Why aren't they saying "Fire Coach Gill" this week? What has changed your mind people? How about ESPN putting Kansas as one of the worse football teams in the nation last week because of ONE loss. Are they still consider one of the worse teams in the nation this week?

Why don't everyone who posted a negative comments last week admit they were wrong this week?

100 9 years, 5 months ago

Because that's the way the Internet works unfortunately.

If an angry group of fans from another school post the first few "negative posts" on a story, appearing to be KU fans, well, we saw what can happen.

Let's put it this way, 300 of those 400 comments from last week were not from real fans, guaranteed.

Those were new names & most of them, wow, we haven't heard from before and we haven't heard from since.

It's the Internet that's out of control too, although I'm glad to see KU fans sticking up this week.

This same thing happened to X Henry last year before he even arrived, a bunch of fans from quite obviously two different schools got on here & all over KC sites & facebook stirring up rumors (lies) which as most of us recall sufficiently freaked out his family enough to almost make him switch schools.

The point is we at KU need to stick up when we see rumors (or mostly bad spirited trolls) all over our site pretending to be us.

That's how these things get started, because any half knowledgeable fan, with a win against GT or not, would know what Gill is setting us up for in the future.

We will be, in a word, awesome for decades to come.

Last Saturday was just the beginning.

Just wait until he can get his five stars flying all over the field.

In the meantime, we sure are a lot more fun to watch when we actually swarm & attack on defense with passion!

And really do run a hurry up offense!

I heard someone else say this, but it's worth repeating:

Mangino's hurry up was the slowest thing I've ever seen. I want the players coached on what to run & when, because the hurry up itself works, because of the utter confusion to the fact that someone is...

"hurrying"....

justinryman 9 years, 5 months ago

Last week people wrote saying that Gill wasn't taking any of the blame for this loss. Yet he did not direct it upon any player as well. This week he wins, gives the players all the crdit for it and moves on.

Wait, where are all the people bashing Gill for taking all the lime light in victory? Oh yeah, you all fell off the bandwagon last week.

I was upset at last weeks loss, happy with this weeks when. So when it comes to the next game I will take it as it comes. There is no reason to be wishy washy about everything. All I have ever said was give Gill and his staff time to build up this team from the ashes of last season and refill the bare cupboards.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk...Go KU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

justinryman 9 years, 5 months ago

"Think Buffalo Bills in the '90s..."

The "K-Gun", and say what you will, but no other team has ever went to 4 strait Super Bowls. So what if they lost, what a Dynasty, and I'm a Dolphins fan. But that K-Gun was very impressive.

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