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Kansas State defeats Kansas, 59-7

  • 6:30 p.m., Oct. 14, 2010
  • Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Friday, October 15, 2010

Jayhawks lay egg; Fans beat it early in lopsided loss to Wildcats

Kansas State running back Daniel Thomas leaves Kansas safety Olaitan Oguntodu in the dust during the third quarter, Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas State running back Daniel Thomas leaves Kansas safety Olaitan Oguntodu in the dust during the third quarter, Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

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Maybe they were just trying to appease Kansas University coach Turner Gill and his 10 p.m. curfew. Or, perhaps, the KU student section simply had seen enough.

Either way, with about 8:10 remaining in the second quarter of Thursday’s 59-7 thrashing by Kansas State, the first fans started fleeing for the exits.

Thousands more followed, and, by the end of the third quarter, KU’s home stadium looked like the Memorial Stadium of old. The funny thing about it, though, was that very few of the fans who left were old enough to remember when Kansas football looked this bad.

“The game is played between the lines,” senior safety Olaitan Oguntodu said. “Your assignment is taken care of in practice, and our coaches make sure we know what to expect. It’s up to us as players to take on the challenge and play.”

What kicked off as a key clash between in-state rivals with plenty on the line turned into a coming-out party for the Kansas State offense — 460 yards, including 276 rushing — and a second-straight laugher for the Jayhawks, who have been outscored, 114-14, in their past two games.

“Everything we practiced, they did,” linebacker Steven Johnson said. “They just executed, and we didn’t. I don’t even know what to say. Coaches put us in position to make plays, and we just didn’t.”

It really doesn’t get any deeper than that. Despite having 12 days to prepare — five more than a normal week — and welcoming an in-state rival into their home stadium, the Jayhawks showed more signs of a team getting worse than a team getting better.

Asked if the extra time to prepare for K-State was good for the Jayhawks, Johnson was direct.

“I thought it helped,” he said. “I felt fine going into this game. I felt re-energized. But, I don’t know. I don’t know.”

Seven penalties for 76 yards was only part of the equation. There also were two KU fumbles, an interception in the red zone and a second-straight game with the offense scoring just one touchdown. Even that came at the most hopeless of times, with Kansas State already leading, 52-0, with 2:06 to play in the game.

“We didn’t execute, on offense and defense, what we needed to do,” Gill said. “The basic things, blocking, tackling, running and catching, throwing the football, executing the plays, executing what you need to do. It was so huge on defense to make sure we tackled well and created turnovers, and we did neither.”

Added receiver Daymond Patterson of KU’s miscues: “Some of the mistakes we’re making, you learn about not making those in pee-wee football.”

One of the best moments of the game for the KU offense, which finished with 331 total yards, came on a wild scramble from quarterback Jordan Webb in which he twice fought off being sacked and made a two-handed chest pass that Bill Self would’ve been proud of for a completion to Erick McGriff. Of course, even that play was not without its downfall, as starting lineman Sal Capra went down and was helped off the field. He did not return.

Four plays later, KSU’s Stephen Harrison — five tackles, one fumble recovery and an interception — scooped up a James Sims fumble and raced 85 yards for a touchdown that made it 45-0.

The Jayhawks (2-4 overall, 0-2 Big 12) gained yards and first downs throughout the second half. But after each one, the only thing that came to mind was that old joke about the tree falling in the forest and no one being around to hear it.

Following the loss, Gill stuck to his guns and talked about how his team needed to keep working hard, continue to get better and to find a way to execute better. That much is obvious. So, too, is the harsh reality Gill currently is facing.

“Right now, we’re not a very good football team,” he said. “That’s the reality of it at this point in time.”

Comments

jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 6 months ago

Pack Gill up in a box and ship him north.

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Ben Kliewer 3 years, 6 months ago

As some of you may be aware, I have been using intelligently constructed sarcastic comments for the last few months to down the "Gill-Haters" and be a part of the campaign to give Gill some time to build his program, recruit his players, and become KU's next great football coach. The thing that especially ticks me off is when people go on rants regarding Gill's faith, using it as a personal attack. Check yourself. True, we live in the United States of America, and we have the freedom to say what we want. But gouging someone about their faith, regardless of what that faith is, and using it as a personal attack because you don't like him as a football coach...? Well folks, that's just tactless, and is an execrable example of someone who claims to be a fan of our great University. Absolutely unacceptable 'Hawk Fans. Show some class. ... I recently moved to Los Angeles. Oddly enough, I've discovered that I am able to get most of the KU games on Fox Sports West. The first few games, especially after the GaTech game, I was very much on the kick of this being a building year, that we have greatness on the team and the coaching staff. Giving Gill a year or three to build this up as his program behooves us as fans of KU Football. But what I saw on Thursday night against KSU was a slap in the face to this program and this school. The performance represented a complete lack of creativity and imagination on play calling. There were no risks taken whatsoever. The players on the field lacked the following; emotion, motivation, aggressiveness, any sense of pride, conditioning, and a general overall grasp that they were playing in a football game. This all goes back to coaching. There is a serious problem with this coaching staff. I don't know who it is. The resumes on that sideline are all pretty impressive. There may be one weak link in the chain, or it may be the whole thing. But when the rubber meets the road, it all comes back to the Head Coach. Again, I am all for giving Coach Gill time to build his program. From what I've seen so far, he could have 18 of the best blue chips this great country of ours has to offer coming in, but if he can't motivate those young men to actually play football for him, then he cannot win football games. I have seen nothing that indicates to me that Gill is making any strategic moves during the season to improve his team. He just keeps doing the same thing, unaware that the machine is broken. Something needs to turn around this season. You can motivate players by being a "touchy feely" kind of coach. You can have any coaching style you want and motivate players, you just have to know how to do it. The only time I saw these players motivated was against GaTech. I don't know who did what during that game, but we need to bottle that magic and bring it back. Because that's the only thing that's going to fix the machine...Magic. Basically, what my message for Coach Gill would be is this... Shape up, or ship out.

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P0WER 3 years, 6 months ago

Prologue: Mangino was an assistant at KSU from '91-'98 under Snyder. From '93-'99 KSU made 7 straight bowl appearances, winning 4 of them including the Fiesta Bowl in '97. Mangino left KSU for Oklahoma in '99 and was the OC on the 2000 National Championship team, after which he was awarded the Frank Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach. He got the HC position at KU in 2001 and took KU to bowl games in '03, '05, '07 and '08, one of those victories being the BCS Orange Bowl, and was awarded the National Coach of the Year the same year. He was able to do this even after the university admitted major NCAA violations in '05 and with the addition of 4 more violations in other sports in '06 the football team was limited for two years in its recruitment of junior college transfers, and lost two scholarships for each of the 2007 and 2008 seasons.

Now to my point. KU deserves every bit of what they are getting in regards to their current football program. Mangino was a well respected football coach and a proven winner that was muscled out by an unscrupulous AD. Now both are gone and the program is in shambles. Everyone out there calling for HCTG's job needs to STFU because IMHO he is doing as good a job as possible with what he has been given.

Lew Perkins is the one responsible for this mess, not Turner Gill. Lew should have been the one run out of town, not Mangino. Lew did not hire Bill Self, or Mangino. He deserves no credit for our recent successes but all the blame for our recent failures.

Bill Snyder and the KSU Wildcats came into Memorial Stadium Thursday night intent on showing KU fans and their football team that what goes around comes around. You didn't appreciate a great coach when you had one and now you have to live with the consequences of letting him go and keeping Lew around instead.

And that isn't even the end of it. The cancer is now spreading throughout the whole athletic department. The basketball team couldn't even make it to the Sweet 16 last year and the coaches have already voted KSU the best team in the conference this season.

To the incoming athletic director whom ever you may be: The University of Kansas is an outstanding institution with great pride and the highest standards. It will be your job to continue that tradition. Please don't let us down.

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Dan Harris 3 years, 6 months ago

Only way to turn this thing around is to get a stud in as our next AD

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JayHok 3 years, 6 months ago

Can't believe it took 20 years to put together cows & pigs getting huge on the same campus as the worst football team in the history of Division 1 suddenly turning into a top 3 Big 8 team overnight to go along with a mysterious 3 million dollar check written before Synder was re-hired as head coach, although mysteriously done with his knowledge according to the final report.

Why is Bill Synder always seen as clean in the press?

Good Lord.

Why can't we just hire Synder away from KsU, he has the Goods right there in his medicine chest & Swiss bank account.

Oh and he's a good coach to, emphasizing technique, drills & muscle memory.

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 6 months ago

Never? Come on. K-State was ready to drop to Div 2 and they made it back. Our program has dominated KSU over the years and will again.

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 6 months ago

Ku Perkins asked for it and now he has got it. Ku will never return with a good football program after what Gill has done to KU. It hurts the baskeball team also. With Gill in as head coach its going to just go down hill. He sure has a good start already. Why was he hired in the first place??????????? Osborne sure sold Perkins a bill of no good. Looks like Kansas ST Wildcats will be the ones to make the headlines in football and basketball. KU coming in Second??????

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JayHok 3 years, 6 months ago

None of us are OK with what happened last night.

Gill does have better access to the big star recruits, that's quite obvious (and this is due simply to approachability which none of our previous coaches had), but that was awful technique last night.

Synder is the master at drilling technique until his guys muscles can't forget. Similar to Tom Osborne.

Our technique, even with our 2 stars, sucked.

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deaner 3 years, 6 months ago

For those of you who are OK with KU being a basketball school: How long do you think that will last if KU is left out of one of the super conferences that experts keep predicting will happen. Last time it looked like we were going to be left out because "it was all about football"? If the Big XII implodes in a few years, it would be nice to have a decent football program on our resume. We cannot afford to such at football forever.

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kualuminohio 3 years, 6 months ago

The Athletic department is in the toilet = KU athletics in the toilet, how this fiasco will effect coach Selfs team will be interesting to see... It probably wont, but I garantee it has effected other aspects of KU athletics...

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JayHok 3 years, 6 months ago

Wouldn't it be funny if:

Here we are yelling at each other about how bad we are, getting beat by 52 points AT HOME by, historically speaking, one of the worst teams in Division 1 football, but years later we find out that Bill Synder has been pushing steroids to his players since the early nineties?

I mean really!!!!!

They suck for three years under Barney's leadership....

They pass a few bucks under the table (get caught, 3 million to be exact) and "WHALLLA!"....

Bill Synder comes back...,

Now what happened to Barney's awful & weak players!!!??

Do they suddenly have a bunch of Incredible Hulks & 6'5" Mike Tysons for Offensive & Defensive linemen or what!?!?

(surely they'd have no access to steroids at a place that specializes in growing bigger cows & pigs, oops, did I say too much Bill? Sorry!)

Anyway.... Can we have some too Coach Synder?

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Andy Tweedy 3 years, 6 months ago

It seems clear to me that this probably isn't what coach had in mind for his offense. I would bet he had hoped to install a run-heavy offense, but we just aren't there in terms of talent. I agree that there are things in the game(s) that do seem to point to coaching errors, but there are way more things that point to a lack of speed, size, etc. (all the things some have pointed out)...and that doesn't even include a ton of injuries, especially to the O-line. It really is too early to tell if Gill can coach this group, but I'm starting to worry that he'll lose the fans first and then the team. He may have already lost the fans. Fortunately, a few big wins, whenever they come, always seems to fix that!

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duanep5ku 3 years, 6 months ago

I think one thing should be pointed out to all the Turner Gill fans on here. so far. I just want to remind you that every play call during the game was the same as the Baylor game almost to a tee. How did that turn out? I watched the KU game last night and I knew almost all the plays our couching staff was calling just watching the game on TV and if a fan knows what plays are being run. How do you think that same game plan will do against other coaches?not good. Kansas fans correct me if you think I'm wrong but was this the same game plan we used against Baylor? Yes, that is bad coaching period.because you have almost two weeks to come up with a game plan and you want to run the same offense that you used against Baylor. If you can not make changes in your play calling, sorry but you will fail as a head coach. Turner are you still trying to insert Sands in the game for that one or two yards per carry rush? is that really working out. I do have concern as a long time Kansas fan about this coach and yes, I know one season does not make a career but do Kansas fans want to go back to old Nebraska style of play again? well maybe if it produces wins but that will take some time and new players. Oh, and if you do want to run on first down on every play like old NU used to do and what were doing now, you need a smash mouth type of running back, that can carry a defender a few yards with him per rush and not a twig that falls down when getting touched or the wind blows the wrong way.

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kranny 3 years, 6 months ago

The simple fact is that we don't have very good athletes except for a few skill positions. We're slow, small, and not very good. The whiff tackle-attempt-to-trip play by #33 on the KState sideline out route was the epitome of the talent level of this team. Our O-line is not very good and our Defensive line is worse. I think we've had one sack by our line all year. Let Gill get his boys in there and in two years KU will be playing some bowl game football again. At least I hope so.

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jhawkmt 3 years, 6 months ago

I love KU through the good, bad and the ugly. This was just plain ole ugly. But then again, what do we expect when lovely Lew hired a proven LOSING coach? Now that Lew is gone, hire Mark Mangino back. Kiss his butt, give him all the big boy clothes he needs and get KU back on the winning side. This game was not only sad, it was just downright sick. KU is a better team then that. They just need a winning coach.

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kualuminohio 3 years, 6 months ago

How are student athlete relations at the University of Kansas right now, my guess as pathetic as the department is... Folks KU athletics is a joke right now and the root of the football teams misery... If I was a student athlete I would probably be in transfer mode right now, the last thing I would be concerned about would be giving 100% in a football game... This all points back to the athletic department....

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Travis Shinkle 3 years, 6 months ago

I love it...the Gill defenders whose ONLY response is "Well, Mangino went 2-10 in his first year..."

That maybe true but ZDKC is spot on--what in the world was the KU admin thinking when they thought a sub-.500 coach in the MAC was going to do in the Big 12?!?

Give it time...blah, blah, blah, blah. Did I expect KU to go 7-5 this year? No. A little below .500? Yes. Why not have those expectations EVERY SEASON? Who says you can go 7-5 and then 2-10 the next? MOST OF THE BIG 12 DOESN'T, WHY SHOULD WE BE "FINE" WITH THAT?!?

This losing, er, getting blown out is much more serious than what I think some of you realize. Yes, KU is a "basketball" school but does your memory not go back as far as May/June when KU almost became a member of the WAC or the MOUNTAIN WEST because it isn't a FOOTBALL program?!? Is that where you want to be? Playing Wyoming and Colorado State on some obscure cabin network?

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sportjunky 3 years, 6 months ago

I'm all for giving Gill a chance. However, at this point anyway, I'm starting to miss even Terry Allen...

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michaelaho 3 years, 6 months ago

That was ugly. KU is terrrrible!! I haven't seen football played like this at KU since Terry Allen. And Terry didn't have the facilities we have now. How did we take such a HUGE step back in one season? I couldn't watch past the 1st half. Too painful!

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kickazzkurtz 3 years, 6 months ago

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sava12 3 years, 6 months ago

There are a lot of questions and opinions out there but here is what I believe we can all agree on as fact: 1. Gill is will not be fired or asked to resign this year. He must find his way with the team and coaches - most importantly the position coaches who are responsible for execution. 2. There is not one fan out there who feels worse than the players. We can post our gripes in this little "therapy session" of ours and come to terms. However, the players have the toughest job; THEY have to put back on the pads and jersey that represents OUR school and go back to the trenches. THEY have to face the criticism first hand and deal with the issues. THEY must "enter the forest at the darkest point where there is no path".
We cannot help them but we can support them for the rest of the year. Maybe they will surprise us when we least expect.

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kualuminohio 3 years, 6 months ago

One thing I recall is all the off with his head Mangino people, where are you now are you calling for Gills head because it is convenient, you people make me sick. I stuck by Mangino and got blasted on these blogs for it, now I will stick by Gill. We have a lot of double minded fools on this post and it has gotten rediculous.

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trmatlock 3 years, 6 months ago

We could bring out a girls intramural flag football team and have them compete in the Big 12. Could they do any worse? Don't fire Gill though. Every new coach should get three years to show results.

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ZDKC 3 years, 6 months ago

For those of you who have seen the movie Angels in the Outfield, the Gill sympathizers remind me of this movie.

Bottom line: You can't hire a 20-30 MAC loser, give him a 1.5+ million dollar raise, and rally behind him using the slogan "You just gotta believe!!"

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steamboat 3 years, 6 months ago

AMEN!!!!! I'm not calling for his head, not yet. I'm like so many other fans and just wants the coaches to pull there freakin' head out. Granted KU is not a FB school but as ticket holders we all want is our team to be competitive regardless of who we have on the field and who the opponent is. Last night was a PATHETIC example. People just talk and we all know KU will stay with GiIl at least for 2 years. It's bad now and it might even get worse and so KU fans prepare yourselves.

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kualuminohio 3 years, 6 months ago

The over all coaching staff will be reviewed at the end of the season if this continues I do agree with that... Coaching has been really bad this year no question, but lets not rush to fire Gill,.

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trmatlock 3 years, 6 months ago

I am 62, and I grew up in Kansas. I remember when K-State was this bad, but I don't recall the Jayhawks ever being this inept. I had a little hope after the Georgia Tech game, but now, wow, what is happening? Does no one care? They play like they are just going through the motions. They should just go home if they aren't even going to try. Give your scholarships to someone who has intensity and character. Sometimes character and integrity are more effective than talent. Hear what I am saying!

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roadwarrior1969 3 years, 6 months ago

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kualuminohio 3 years, 6 months ago

I love how people write these 20 page posts thinking people are actually going to read them. Some of these people that post here are amazingly ignorant. Ok we got slaughtered we were absolutely horrific, whats new... If you are going to play football in the big 12 you have got to bring your A game. KU is a basketball powerhouse folks... I would love to be excellent at football as well but by the grace of GOD we are a BASKETBALL UNIVERSITY... Calling for Gill's head is easy to write in this blog, but when you think about it it makes very little sense, in other words give the man a chance... Good Grief...

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Jayhawks1985 3 years, 6 months ago

I'm all for giving Turner Gill a chance but my biggest complaint is why do they have to pay him so much. In my job you don't get a raise until you prove yourself and in this economy it's not fair we are paying all that money to a coach that is learning how to be a coach. Also about the players appearing not to be trying hard enough during the game. Aren't most of these guys getting a free ride? They did sign up to play football and not croquet. I think they need to be able to handle all that goes along with it. Was Mangino really a tyrant? I still don't think you can win a Orange Bowl just on luck. I'd like to know why we started losing last year.

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Ron Prichard 3 years, 6 months ago

Open question to everyone: It wouldn't have made an impact on the outcome of the game, but on KU's first possession of the second half Sims fumbled and KSU ran it back for a touchdown. Before the snap, a KSU player was running off the field. It did not appear that he was anywhere close to being off the field when we snapped the ball. It should have been 12 men on the field and a free play for us. If there were only 11 on the field, it should have at least been offsides, as he was running to the 30 on the sideline and was on KU's side of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. I was screaming about this and wasn't the only one in my section to notice, but there was no flag. Did anyone see this on TV? Did the announcers say anything about it? By that time, it was insult to injury, but it still appeared to be a missed call.

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Jaminrawk 3 years, 6 months ago

I'm going to be curious what the stories will be when Gill is gone. Interesting tidits always come out then. My guess is that the players will talk about how some guys didn't pay attention of go hard in practice, etc. Sad.

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speckleddog 3 years, 6 months ago

Easy solution for KU football this year: Fire the coach. Hire a new coach that has a record of winning games. Forfeit the rest of the games this season, the fans are going to stop coming anyway. Get ready for Basketball season.

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kudzutexas 3 years, 6 months ago

Mangino only had two wins his first year. He only had one winning season against Big 12 teams. He lost his last 7 games his final year, the offense struggled all year, and the defense has been nonexistent the past two years (since Mangino ran off coach Miller). Mangino was sanction by the NCAA for violations in 2005. Mangino embarrassed the university with his blow ups off and on the field. Mangino's appearance made us the butt of jokes around the country - because he dealt in sports and fitness. We haven't had a running game since Brandon McAnderson because our offensive line is undersized. We can't pressure the opposing quarterback because our defensive line is undersized by 30-60 pounds. Our receivers and running backs are mostly first year players, or have been playing defense the two years. Our team is NOT a perinnial champion or WINNING team.

Lets light up and let this coaching staff recruit, fill holes, settle in, and give them time to do their job. If they could make KU a consistant 7-5 team, that is something no one else has ever done. KU is doesn't have the history or success of Nebraska, K-State under Snyder, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, and even Missouri. Even Colorado won a National Championship. We are not the University of Buffalo. But, with the exception of a handful of decent seasons in our entire history, we are not the showcase program that coaches die for. CHILL!

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Jaminrawk 3 years, 6 months ago

Personally, I hope it's time for the bad cop routine. These guys need the most hellish practice week (within ethical standards) of their lives with threats of more if they ever quit like that again. Sadly, I know Gill won't do it.

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Denny2009 3 years, 6 months ago

That was brutal to watch last night, I just don't know what to think. Its pretty pathetic to have been completely blown out in your first couple conference games, with no indication that things will turn around and get better. This team is totally out of sync, bottom line. I think Gill is in over his head, I respect his concepts and mindset, however I feel those would be more suitable for a smaller school, maybe a private or religious oriented school? The Big 12 isn't a conference for the weak, you need a Colonel. Although I believe we already had someone like that and chased him out of town.

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CatsEatBirds 3 years, 6 months ago

Upside for the rest of the season:

Any game you go into you will be the underdog. Think how horribly embarrassing it would be for any team on the ku schedule to lose to ku after the last two games. Talk about ruining someone's season...

I can't believe I thought ku was going to win that game last night. Should've known better, the Coffman family sure loves to score on ku.

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Ron Prichard 3 years, 6 months ago

One other question...it seems like our players all think they are working hard in practice, are giving effort, etc, and it just isn't translating into the game. What I wonder, are they really giving 100% effort? Great coaches can take a player that just gave everything he had and get him to give even more. They can push players to achieve more than they realized was possible. Is KU simply giving their "all" and being satisfied with their effort when they really could give just a little bit more?

There has to be a reason we aren't getting better. We have talent on this team. The coaches didn't suddenly become complete babbling idiots in headsets. What is the reason? Is there a reason?

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jebloom22 3 years, 6 months ago

Amazing how this program has changed since that Orange Bowl season. Turner Gill is a nice guy, his heart is in the right place, and was a great QB for NU. Football programs are the revenue generators for universities. If HCTG doesn't stay with the program, KU needs to spend the money on a top notch coaching staff - period. It'll cost big dollars to get a big name to consider coming to a losing program, but it is the only option as far as I am concerned. The value to having powerful football AND basketball programs is huge.

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squawkhawk 3 years, 6 months ago

I'll bet you a million bucks that our "great" coaching staff will start to defect at the end of the season. The boat is sinking and the rats will start fleeing soon. Good luck reverend.

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Ron Prichard 3 years, 6 months ago

I have been on here supporting Gill time and again. I still think he has a chance at being a good coach, but it is time to stop comparing this season to Snyder's first or Mangino's first, etc. Bill Snyder took over what was universally considered as the worst football program in college history. Mangino took over for a coach that had not recruited in years and a program that was inept in almost every category, including school support and facilities. KU has the facilities. We have good (not great) recruits. There is absolutely no excuse that is acceptable for what happened last night.

I'm tired of hearing, "I thought we were prepared," "I thought we were ready," "We felt good this week," and especially, "We still have work to do." Hell yes you have work to do!

I want to hear some accountability from the coaches. The players say all the right things, but it doesn't translate to the field. I know there will be growing pains, and honestly, while I want to win, I don't mind losing because I know this is a transition/rebuilding year. What bothers me is that we appear to be getting worse! This is not the same team that beat Georgia Tech. GT is 4-2 (3-1 ACC). The team that took the field last night showed no heart, no effort, and clearly quit in the second half. Carson Coffman threw two TD's and only one incomplete pass!!!! Carson Freaking Coffman!!

We stop GT from running in week two and KSU's vaunted two headed rushing machine of Thomas and Coffman torch us? Oh wait...Coffman isn't a vaunted rusher? He's not even a great passer? Really? We made him look like a Heisman finalist.

When I looked at KSU last night, I saw a mediocre team that was disciplined, focused and gave 100% effort from start to finish on every single play. When I looked at KU, I saw a team that appeared confused, timid, lackluster and uninspired.

Our cupboard may not be full, but it isn't empty. We have good athletes on our team. Where are they? Why aren't they improving. If Gill is supposed to be a master motivator, he better get it going. As I said earlier, I don't mind losing if I see improvement and effort. I saw neither last night and I do mind being completely embarrassed on national TV.

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jmsuther 3 years, 6 months ago

I sure wish KU had a coach like Mark Mangino to come and take care of this mess

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 6 months ago

I think Gill just put a nail in his coffen. Had two weeks to prepare for this game, I am just glad they didn't have three. To lose a two games by, what 100 and some, That just says its time for a head coach and others to be fired. Gill had talent to work with but, he has totally destroyed it. To lose by this by and to lose to a double A team on your own field is show tell KU its time for Gill to go and now. With a football team like this doesn't make the basketball team and school look like anything. Kansas St will be the school in Kansas to make a name in basketball and football for the country to see. Go Cats and Go Gill, (out the door) For new recruits to come to KU, why would they want to come to Gill's follys. The whole country is laughting at KU football team, can't blame them at all. HAHA,

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cwind 3 years, 6 months ago

Not going to bash anybody. Last night was pathetic. Mangino's harsh tactics aren't the answer. Gill might be in over his head and too nice a guy. Making Buffalo credible in the MAC is apples, making Kansas credible in the Big 12 is oranges (or lack of since 2008 and hereafter). The team is going the wrong direction. They look NOTHING like they did 4 weeks ago against Georgia Tech. The new AD will evaluate and if he/she is sharp enough, will figure it all out. We need to see MAJOR improvement next year, otherwise, Gill is out.

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vmwskywalk 3 years, 6 months ago

How do you feel about the execution of our football team?

...I'm all for it!

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steamboat 3 years, 6 months ago

Yea and if KU would of forfeited the score would of been 1-0. The game was more than 5 plays. Give me a break, it was 60 minutes of ass-kicking to a TOTTALLY unprepared team.

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Lebowski 3 years, 6 months ago

What I hate about Gil is he reminds me of Sperm Edwards.

I don't care WHAT a rebuilding project looks like at the beginning. Unless the team is loaded with nothing but walk-ons and true freshmen, there's no other reason for the major blowouts beyond poor coaching.

So, four years down the road, what are we going to see?

Increased talent? Hopefully. Players that fit Gil's system better? Very likely. Better coaching? I doubt it.

A coach who's capable of a successful rebuild project usually shows signs of doing something with nothing. He can take a less-talented team and make them look competitive. And this usually is evident from day one.

Will Gil turn the program into a competitive one? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say MAYBE.

Does Gil have what it takes to turn a team into a powerhouse like the Nebraska teams he was an assistant at? I'm already convinced there's no way in hell.

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justanotherfan 3 years, 6 months ago

Last night's game really comes down to five plays.

Play 1

0-0. After KU forces a KSU punt. It's 2nd and 4 on the KU 35. KU completes a simple pass to Breshears for a first down. However, it gets called back for clipping. On the very next play, there's a procedure penalty. All of a sudden, KU goes from an apparent 1st and 10 on it's 40 to 2nd and 24 on the 15. That's a huge difference, especially for an offense trying to find itself. Needless to say, a punt resulted.

Play 2

3-0 KSU, but KU is still in the game. Penalties are killing us, but if we can make something happen, this game won't get away. KSU faces a 3rd and 10 from the KSU 28. Force a punt here and KU will get the ball back with a chance to tie or take the lead. Simple out pattern by the receiver and a missed tackle equals 36 yards and a KSU first down in Jayhawk territory. A sure punting situation turns into a first down in KU territory. Cats go in for a touchdown. It's now 10-0.

Play 3

After a good return by Beshears to set up KU near midfield, Deshaun Sands fumbles and KSU returns it deep into KU territory. Just a demoralizing turnover. A few plays later, it's 17-0 and I knew KU wasn't going to win. A young team isn't likely to get out of a three score hole. The only question was whether they would lose by 10 or if it would get out of hand.

Play 4

17-0, KU needs something positive. Another first down around midfield, they dial up a deep route for Christian Matthews. He has it, then drops it. Could've set up a first and goal. If KU gets a TD, it's 17-7 and they aren't dead yet. Instead, it's a nondescript 2nd and 10. Later, KU goes for it on fourth down, K-State takes over at midfield, marches down and makes it 24-0 and the rout is on.

Play 5

31-0 in the second half. K-State has the ball. KU is trying to set the tone for whether this game is a walkover now, or whether they will make the final 55-28 or so. 2nd and 4 from the KSU 32. Isiah Barfield comes up and blows up a little bubble screen with a huge hit. It looks like KU has come out of the lockerroom with some real fire. A late flag and a personal foul sets KSU up near midfield. The fire is gone. With KU looking to set a physical tone, they back off and become timid with the flag. KSU scores a few plays later and the only question now is what the final number will be.

That's the game right there. Five plays. Five mistakes/ missed opportunities/ bad breaks and the game just got away. If there's no clipping, can KU put together a drive and draw first blood? If they force a punt, can they do something offensively? If Deshaun takes care of the ball, can they keep pace with KSU? If Matthews makes that catch, do they go in to make it 17-7? If there's no penalty on that hit, is the final a more respectable number than the absurd 59-7?

The bottom line is that plays weren't made when they needed to be. If any one of those things happen, it might be a whole different ballgame.

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Brak 3 years, 6 months ago

First of all thanks for all the laughs, after last nights game I really needed it. I'm not going to try and pretend that everything is sunshine and double rainbows in Larryville, but I'm also not threating to throw myselft off a bridge unless they fire Gill like most of you. I don't know what everyones expectations were but I can tell you right now they were way too high.

Have all of you "fans" really forgoten that in Mangino's first year as a coach we were 2-10 (0-8 conference). It took him 4 years to achieve a winning record and you "fans" are ready to fire Gill after 5 games? He hasn't even had a full year to start recruiting the players that would best fit his style of play and considering all of Mangino's players are having to learn a new system and let's not forget all of the injuries.

Now is not the time to be making knee jerk reactions and Gill at the very least deserves a couple of years to bring in his type of players and develop his own scheme before we start calling for his job.

After saying that there are 2 things I am really not liking about this team, 1. Jordan Webb, there is nothing about him that excites me or screams "winning QB". He seems like a Reesing clone with less accuracy and pocket awareness. I really liked what I saw of Pick and think he could bring something different to the table with his feet and ability to take snaps under center which would help our run game (I know he's been hurt but I believe he should get another chance). 2. Speaking of our run game, the playing calling has been terrible. Its last year all over again when on 3rd and long you knew Reesing was going to the shovel pass. It seemed like last night we ran that same run play up the middle or the WR screen and that was about it. It will get better though, I'm not worried, it is just game after all.

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grandpa 3 years, 6 months ago

Troutsee and KU Riggins, I agree with everything you had to say on your po0sts. There is so much going wrong with this team at this point that I am not going to elaborate further on what you two said. I honestly did think before the Kansas State game that we would correct the many mistakes we made in the Baylor game and win the Kansas State game. My wife and I were going to celebrate with our margaritas but that will have to wait.

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GridironHawk 3 years, 6 months ago

I think the play that made me the sickest was the fumble recovery for the TD. Yea the game was over but we could have still salvaged the second half and possibly the season. It was obvious KSU had 12 men on the field which would have wiped out the 70 yard fumble recovery and given KU a first down. However, either our coaches had no clue they had 12 men on the field (unacceptable), had no clue the play could be challenged (unacceptable), or had already given up on the players (I don't even want to mention my thoughts on this). Our team has no fight because our coaches have no fight. The one player that showed fight (Beshears) got benched because Gill thought he was too upset. There comes a point where the coach has to show he has a backbone so the players will follow him. Get in the refs face on some of the bad calls and get a personal foul (Self is a great guy too but he's had a Technical or two to fire his teams up).

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Sam Brockert 3 years, 6 months ago

I have been on two national championship teams, wrestling not football but coaching is coaching. One in Junior college the other an NAIA school. Now it is no Div 1, but it is still national championship caliber. Both coaches I had during that time Respected AND feared a little bit. They never did things like Mangino, Mangino just was mean. Which most people have to understand tough and mean are not the same things. Mean can work, in short bursts. Kids can take so much mean before they start to rebel just to spite you. Fear never works as long as respect does. Tough, kids respect, they are disciplined with tough, the are agressive with tough, tough gets them in shape. Tough means you can be a father figure to these kids and have an open office door to them at the same time as kicking their butts in practice until they throw up. If they lose and they gave it their all, work the next week on improving what DID go wrong. If they lose and they look like they don't give a crap or they just quit, like the KSU game, work them 10 times harder than the week before. Make sure they know anything below 100% will not be tolerated. The problem I see is that Gill is neither tough NOR mean. You can't be neither and hope to be competitive. Even in High school that crap wouldn't work. These kids not only have no fear, they have no respect. You don't have to cuss, you don't have to make threating comments. But show some energy, some spark, dont stand there and look unemotional, because that rubs off on your team. Because if the kids, in the end that is ALL they are is kids, feel like they are on a long leash, they will do what comes natural to kids and that is gliding through things.

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misfire 3 years, 6 months ago

If the coaches were switched and Snyder had been the KU coach, they would have beaten the snot out of KSUck, which is a second rate team at best. Don't tell me that players can't be coached up. Perkins didn't do KU any favors.

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misfire 3 years, 6 months ago

If the coaches were switched and Snyder had been the KU coach, they would have beaten the snot out of KSUck, which is a second rate team at best.

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Jared Grillot 3 years, 6 months ago

Boo! Boo! Just freakin' boo all around. Unfortunately, I am one of those Jayhawk alums that lives west of Wichita, which means that I have to listen to all the purple jerks around here for months... yes, it will be months before we have an opportunity to put them back in their place. Everything all over again... fumbles, dropped passes, heck, we even got to burn more time outs because we didn't have the right players on the field... again. Seriously. Definitely expect to see us in ESPN's Bottom 10 again this week.

I have to agree with many on the board, when you have a bye week to prepare, at home, against a rival, who isn't that spectacular, and you fail miserably at every facet of the game including the intangibles like attitude, you either have the worst talent imaginable, an inept coaching staff, or both.

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thomc6 3 years, 6 months ago

Seems to me that the biggest problem is that most of the other teams have much better players. The question is whether Gill can change this and over time convince everyone about the competency of the coaching staff. This cannot be determined for a year or two. So there is no choice now but to hope for and derive some enjoyment from seeing incremental improvements in the team and/or individual players. In other words, adopt an expansion team fan mentality as there is really no other option.

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Tony Bandle 3 years, 6 months ago

That's it!! I'm done!! Sell our souls to the Devil and hire Mike Leach.

Payoff Turner and his staff and let "The Leacher" make Kansas football relevant again, if only to keep the basketball program from slipping into a second tier conference.

Kansas Basketball is what I truly care about and this fraud of a football program is threatening it.

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crmsnblu 3 years, 6 months ago

to me simple decisions like no girls after 10, no cursing, and if your a 5 star running back we'll play you at linebacker illustrate great coaching if your trying to lose and create the worst recruiting ploy in the country

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Jhawks04 3 years, 6 months ago

I'm not excusing last night's efforts. It was pretty terrible. There were a ton of just missed tackles and opportunities. But I think there are a lot of people out there forgetting just how bad we used to be. Back in 2002 or 2003 (sorry I can't remember the exact year), I watched KSU kill KU 62 to 0 in the freezing drizzle and snow. And yes, I was one of the few people that stayed until the very end of the game. I'm not saying that the on TD was much to hang a hat on last night, but the score definitely could have been worse.

I think it's very apparent we have young freshmen and sophmores in key spots and other teams are going to pick on those the most. I also believe that this season is just going to be a rolloer coaster of ups and downs, mostly downs at this point. And that's OK. This year you have most of the guys who believed (or feared) Mangino's way, and they're all trying to learn a new system now with new rules. It's going to take time for the coaches and players to all get all the same page. I think we have to give Gill at least another season to show what he can do with his own recruiting and getting those young fellas a chance to mature into his way of coaching.

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741hawk 3 years, 6 months ago

Last fall, prior the Colorado game, Lew had the audacity to hold a team meeting in the middle of the season and undermined one of the best (if not the best) football coaches KU has ever had. (The Phat Man "lost the team" based on Lew's actions; and, combined with Sparky's undisclosed injury, we didn't win another game.)

Then, without considering any other candidate, Lew interviewed, hired and over-paid a coach who, in his BEST season, was 5-3 in the MAC. This is totally on Lew.

I was a defender of Lew's until his last year. At that point I realized that it was a zero sum game. For everything good he did, the bad matched it.

This is a sad, sad day for a program that won the Orange Bowl less than three years ago. I'm sickened.

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KURiggins 3 years, 6 months ago

Oh I guess I forgot. Angus Q I know put us over 100 yards while we were playing the K-State scrubs. These guys will probably not have gametime any more this year. That is the only reason we got over 100 yards in the game. It did not happen till the very end against their scrubs. Against their starting defense our OL was pathetic. I knew our defense would be bad because we are so thin everywhere. However, it looks like Toben O. has promise as a LB. Too early to tell, but I do believe he had a QB pressure or two. But the OL is in my opinion the worst part of our team and the biggest dissapointment, considering they all have playing time under their belt. I thought they would be our strength. Instead I feel they have been our worst enemy. Drive killers.

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HawkfromHays 3 years, 6 months ago

We will not win another game. All the talent in the world could not have won with this scheme.

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chriskoenigs 3 years, 6 months ago

a coach is paid millons dollors to putand seem that aour cach is failing at this fans in the stadium

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chriskoenigs 3 years, 6 months ago

a coach is paid millons dollors to putand seem that aour cach is failing at this fans in the stadium

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KURiggins 3 years, 6 months ago

I think by the end of the game we had only gained 76 yards rushing. I think Jordan Webb did a decent job considering he has had/had no run support. And if anyone caught it Webb threw a beautiful pass early in the game, after a Sands fumble had made it 17 - 0 and Christian Matthews flat out dropped it. Gotta make that catch. Two RB's fumble one of them setting up a drive, the other K-State just took back to the house. You look at the Georgia Tech game and its really the only game we had both a running game and a passing game. What it tells me, is the OL, really about the only part of our offensive team that has had any significant playing time is creating zero push. They make stupid penalties. They do not sustain blocks and they have zero attack attitude. Which just kills your running game. You have to have that attack, attack and keep attacking attitude on OL to be successful. Not just mediocre with zero attitude and dumb penalities. I mean our first drive and what did we have, like 3 false starts? Come on OL, you know the snap count. There is NO reason you should be moving before the snap count. Gill must have realized he had inhereted a lousy OL, that is why I believe his first five recruits for next year are OL. I just would not have guessed, at this point the worst part of our offense game after game is our OL. I do not believe Webb is the problem.I see him learning a little more each game..when he is not about to be destroyed because of a lack of blocking. Or because of our OL has dumb penalties that put him in unwinnable situations 3rd and 10 ..or worst 3rd and 16. Anyway, we must remember this is only Gill's sixth game as our HC. Give him at least two years then it will be easier to evaluate his abilities. Let him get some decent Offensive Lineman

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tis4tim 3 years, 6 months ago

Fear of failure is a great motivator and I don't think these players have it. I'm not suggesting that Gill become an ogre on the sidelines and resort to physical threats or anything to develop that killer instinct, but if the players don't, on some level, fear their coach and the repercussions of poor play or what may happen to them if they miss an assignment, I don't think they'll ever perform the way they should.

I have my own thoughts about Gill's coaching, but if players like Steven Johnson think that the coaching is fantastic, that Gill is not the problem, and that they were given the correct blueprint to defeat KSU, but they just didn't execute, then they need to be benched for players who will execute. Somehow, I'm just not buying the notion that it's all on the players.

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Bill Kackley 3 years, 6 months ago

Score Snyder 2 Gil 0 When Gil wasn't smart enough to keep Chris Dawson, KSU grabbed him in a hurry.

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JamesMoore 3 years, 6 months ago

Embarrassing!! Thats all I have to say. Somebody asked me was it the coaching or is it the talent. I said a little of both, but honestly, I really have to blame the coaching staff the most. I don't think we are as talented as Baylor or Kstate, but it is also not to the point where we have the talent level of a North Dakota State either. Our coaching staff has gotten our players up for 1 game, the GT game and thats it. How can you not motivate a team for an in-state rival like KSU? I sort of understand Baylor on the road being a tough one, but come on. Does this guy remind anybody else of Terry Allen? I know thats blasphemy at this point in time, but really, nice guys finish last in this business.

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gongs4ku 3 years, 6 months ago

I got confused and thought this game was on Saturday. Looks like ignorance was bliss.

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DocBean 3 years, 6 months ago

Gill need to learn how to slow a game down. He needs to teach his kids how to run out the clock. That way we'll be losing by 10 instead of 50.

If you have less talent, you need to slow the game down. Less possessions will make a HUGE difference. Look at it like Basketball, the teams KU has a problem with are the teams that can slow everything down. The faster you play the better team will always outperform the lesser team.

If he could at least get games into the 4th quarter within a score or two, then one big play could turn things our way. I'm sick of the game being over by half time.

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troutsee 3 years, 6 months ago

When Snyder came to KSU, the cupboard was bare. When Mangino came to KU, the cupboard was bare. But, I am not so sure the cupboard was bare for Gill and staff. However, the Mangino staff did a piss poor job of recruiting the front 7 on defense, especially linebackers, and the O-line. Mangino's staff seemed to concentrate on recruiting wide receivers and D-backs.

Torbush told us we were going to have an attacking defense. Bull. It's still the same old wait and read defense of old with no backfield penetration and no int's or breakups in the secondary. I still see bubble screens worked repeatedly against our defense, a weakness evident as early as the So. Miss game and yet there has been no correction.

On Offense, our QB is too short and not a dual threat, seldom keeps the ball on the read option making that play predictable and worthless, our O-line sucks and has all year, our bubble screens stink, and we make too many penalties. We also need to develop big play capability but we simply may not have the players to do this. If I was Gill, I'd seriously think about giving Pick another chance.

On special teams, it is just a matter of time until long striding Rojas gets another punt blocked. For heavens sakes Gill, put Rojas back 17 yards.

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slantrox 3 years, 6 months ago

GREAT POINT KSU FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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slantrox 3 years, 6 months ago

I am SO sick of the football season being over by Late Night!

GET TOUGH THIS WEEK GILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We like you, your a nice guy, smart, funny.......but either your inexperience or falure to see what everyone else sees is driving us into a third world college football team again!

I'll give you one week and one more chance to win me and many others back!

Now we may know exactly why Lew headed for the exits early! (just like the rest of us)

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KSUFan 3 years, 6 months ago

Coach Gill reminds me of Ron Prince. He tried to be friends with his team and not a leader. I think Coach Gill is a great person but you can't be afraid to discipline the team and staff. Sure I liked the game but I support any Kansas team and I want KU to be successful with all but KSU. My advice, is to cut your losses, now we know why NEB didn't give Coach Gill the nod.

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slantrox 3 years, 6 months ago

Playing nice with others doesn't work in FOOTBALL and WAR! REEVALUATE GILL! Either he gets tough on players and assistance or he becomes an assistant for a Big 10 school!

Good coaches come in to decent programs and do decent until they get 'their' system in place! We were decent....that leaves either a bad coach or a premature shift to a poor system has already taken place!

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DocBean 3 years, 6 months ago

THIS is how we play after a bye week????!!! With an extra week of preparation I expected a competitive game.

I'm over this coaching staff already. Do we not have scholarship players out there? If they're getting a free ride they should at least be able to play with one of the worst teams in the Big XII. I think scholarships need to be removed from some of these kids.

Season's Over. Bring on Late Night.

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Jaminrawk 3 years, 6 months ago

It's one thing to say "wait and see" but allowing 50+ points and only scoring 7 points in the last two games against middle-to-lower of the pack teams in the Big XII is just pathetic. Central Florida put up a better fight against KSU and they were on the road. This team is just dreadfully bad in all facets of the game and that is definitely the coaches' faults. I didn't expect them to win a lot this year, but it's not too much to expect that this team wouldn't get humiliated.

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Nos08 3 years, 6 months ago

Did anyone else hear Coach Mangino laughing last nite??

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JaHawk4Life 3 years, 6 months ago

Losing to supierior teams is one thing but getting humiliated week after week is completely unacceptable. I hope no more KU football games are televised this year.

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jayhawkinATL 3 years, 6 months ago

Our players just don't give a $hit. They just look happy to be there.

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Stephen Johnson 3 years, 6 months ago

This is poor coaching. The special teams were terrible. The offense shot themselves in the foot over and over with penalties. The defense was poorly schemed. I felt sorry for the fans and players. This coaching staff has embarrassed this university.

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4jhawks4ku 3 years, 6 months ago

I can take losing if the team gives a good effort, looks coached, gets off blocks, tackles, doesnt cough up the ball for touchdowns, and takes pride in low penalties. If they can do that I'm supportive.

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142466 3 years, 6 months ago

Since Nebraska beat KSU by 35 and KSU beat KU by 52, will Nebraska beat KU by. . .? Or since this is the final year that Nebraska will be playing KU, will Nebraska run up the score really big?

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minnhawk84 3 years, 6 months ago

Hmmmm. If Nebraska put 48 on KSU, and KSU put 59 on us, doesn't it look like we will lose to the Huskers somewhere around say, 100?

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Roy Scherff 3 years, 6 months ago

Im guessing by 2012 we will be an improved football team. we still won't be playing 500 ball but there will be games that we are in to the end and at least provide the opposition with a little bit of resistance.

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jhawkrx10 3 years, 6 months ago

Yes Gill's tactics may be different, especially compared to Mangino's and I'm not about to argue that they'll work because we have no idea if they will or not. But before everyone goes and throw him under the bus, give this some consideration...

--The team that he took over as head coach LOST their last 7 GAMES last year. --On top of that, most of the top skill players (Reesing, Briscoe, Meier, Sharp, Stuckey, etc) from last year either graduated or left early leaving a rather empty cupboard for Gill to start with --The players that did come in this year were primarily Mangino recruits that Gill and his staff had to go quickly visit in the week or two between his hiring and signing day --No matter how good (or bad) a coach, execution comes down to the players on the field. Steven Johnson and Olaitan Oguntodu are both quoted saying almost exactly this in the article we are posting on. You can't blame Gill for the fumbles at crucial times, the interception in the end zone, the missed tackles that led to big plays, etc. --Bill Snyder (worshipped by most of Manhattan) won 1 game his first year in Manhattan--granted they were worse off to start than we were, but Gill's already doubled that total. --Another example, Kirk Ferentz, regarded as many as an NFL caliber coach, won 1 game in his first season at Iowa after taking over (4-19 through 2 seasons)--then he went 7-5 in his 3rd season (with an Alamo Bowl victory) and 11-1 in his 4th season and led the Hawkeyes to the Orange Bowl

Give Gill another 2 years and if he hasn't gotten his act together, then we can call for his head...until then, be prepared for some troublesome times

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soobawls 3 years, 6 months ago

But did each player get a hug before bedtime? Did coach tell them all how special they are in their own way and tuck them in? As long as the coach didn't yell at the players or push them to excel then I say mission accomplished. Winning or losing is simply irrelevant to the task that Gill was hired for and should not even be mentioned in any critique of the job he is doing.

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KU_FanSince75 3 years, 6 months ago

I have seen a lot of football in my time and I am trying to think if I ever, ever, saw a more beat down than last night's game. Maybe the KU/Nebraska games of old when Tom Osbourne was coaching. I guess we won't have to worry about the Huskers after this year, huh? Can you imagine the PR for season tickets going into next year? Oh, my gosh! I don't think fans want to see games like we saw last night. Really embarrassing---not much to say.

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Maracas 3 years, 6 months ago

Gill and his staff should be working for minimum wage until they prove they can actually coach. What they seem to be doing is building fine young men who can't play football. This is all Lew Perkins' fault.

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4jhawks4ku 3 years, 6 months ago

That team looked completely uncoached. No energy no enthusiasm. No tackling,and shying away from contact. Put the names back on the jerseys. The lack of effort was sickening to watch. Total embarrassment. That game killed us for recruiting. They need a visit from Riggo, Gayle, Hadl.

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Janet Scott 3 years, 6 months ago

I guess KU will not be playing in the Orange Bowl this year.

I have not seen such a poor college football team in many, many years versus the one KU put on the field last night. KU was brutally poor in every aspect of the game - a thorough embarrassment to JayhawkNation last night. And what of Gill and his "staff"? Fire them all soon? Or stick with them? Who knows?

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KSA_21_3503 3 years, 6 months ago

I thought they did pretty well for a middle school team.

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