Monday, November 29, 2010


Better seasons await for KU football


Lost amid the rubble of blowout losses for the Kansas University football team that finished 3-9 lies an encouraging sign. The defense should improve as soon as next season.

Three players who came into the summer as offensive players eventually were switched to defense, and all three will be counted on as cornerstones in 2011.

Toben Opurum’s switch from running back to linebacker in August didn’t go as smoothly as his mid-season move to defensive end. Opurum was missed at running back, particularly during a season-opening loss to North Dakota State, and he has the ingredients to become an effective tight end. Yet, his ceiling appears highest at defensive end, and it’s where he’s needed most, especially with the emergence of James Sims and the promise of red-shirt Brandon Bourbon.

True freshman Keeston Terry’s switch from receiver to safety coincided with Opurum’s move to linebacker. In three games before a season-ending injury, Terry became the answer to the question: Who is the most likely player to develop into a high-round NFL Draft choice? He has that radar athletes either have or don’t, that quality that moves them efficiently to the right spot at the right instant.

Bradley McDougald played on both sides as a freshman, started his sophomore season at receiver and played the final two games at safety, where he’ll stay put. The Terry-McDougald tandem, with Lubbock Smith in reserve, makes this the strongest position.

Playmaker Tyler Patmon should be ready for every-down duty at cornerback. Isiah Barfield, burned routinely early, improved as the season progressed, and Greg Brown played well late.

The front seven look neither as strong nor as deep as the secondary, but with a productive offseason, hope exists for improvement.

Steven Johnson is the lone returning starter at linebacker, where undersized Huldon Tharp, sidelined by injury in 2010, will contend for a spot.

Look for Darius Willis to emerge as the team’s best at the position. A 6-foot-3, 243-pound middle linebacker out of Houston, Willis started four games (two at MLB, two outside) at Buffalo and missed the rest of his freshman season with a torn pectoral muscle. Recruited by several Big 12 schools out of high school, the Houstonian followed Gill to Kansas.

A year of working on technique will enable Opurum to use his strength and quickness to put more heat on the quarterback. Keba Agostinho played as a true freshman, and with a year in the weight room could lock down the starting job at the other end.

Experienced defensive tackles John Williams, Richard Johnson Jr., Patrick Dorsey and Kevin Young will be pushed by players eligible for their first taste of Big 12 football. Should he work himself into better condition, Young could become the best of the bunch.

The defense’s most important work takes place in the offseason. If the players run so much and work so hard in the weight room that they’re pushed to their breaking points, and the coaches chart where each player’s breaking point is so that they’ll know which can be counted on to battle the hardest against more talented Big 12 teams, better seasons await.


HawkfromHays 11 years, 1 month ago

Better seasons await only after Gill is relieved of his duties.

jburvee 11 years, 1 month ago

I agree that Turner Gill will never be a winning coach at KU or any other D1 school. He's a GREAT guy and a positive role model, but so was Terry Allen and Coach Val. Nice guys don't always rise to the top in regards to coaching. Nebraska is the ultimate mark on Turner Gill in regards to head coaching potential. They passed on Gill twice.

Mangino deserved one more season after an Orange Bowl victory only two seasons ago. I was never a huge ( no pun intended ) Mangino fan, but I had no problem with how he made me want to watch KU football week end and week out.

Good luck Turner. Prove me wrong, but this season sure sucked. We had no life. Players play like the coaches personality. FLAT is a good word to describe the 2010 Football team.

jayhawk02 11 years, 1 month ago

How did losing 7 games in a row, especially with the questionable play calling (TT, mU), make you want to watch Mangino's teams anymore than Gills?

hhijayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Turner Gill was not a consistent winner at Buffalo and will never be one at KU. Because of some of his policies, he will not be able to recruit in the Big 12. This year was horrible!!!!

KU_Alumn_2000 11 years, 1 month ago

Coach Gill you got my support...along with many others!!!

I like moving some athletes over to would be nice to have a nasty defense in the coming years with speed and physicality.

Still think our defense is only as good as the defensive line. Unfortunately we have struggled to recruit decent linemen on the defensive side of the ball.

The offense should be improved with the talented line we have coming in next year...combined with the veteran experience of guys like Tanner H.

Agree with Keagen...better seasons lie ahead for this program.

John Brown 11 years, 1 month ago

Agreed, sounds like we've got some good offensive lineman coming in next year. All good offenses are run behind a good OL.

jayhawk02 11 years, 1 month ago

I'm with you Alumn, Gill has my full support for at least the next 2 years. After 3 years, if there is no signs of improvement, then I will join the ranks of those posters on this board who are in desperate need of a scapegoat.

Cmill1221 11 years, 1 month ago

Scapegoat?? Here Is a scapegoat: mangino left the cupboard bear. B.S!!! Here is another Gill doesn't have his players. Thats why he is a coach. To get the players to play at their full potential. Mangino took us to our first bowl game in 10 years in only his 2nd season let's just see how TG does. Scapegoats HA!! That's all I hear from gill fans.

JayHok 11 years, 1 month ago

Can't believe the type of recruits Gill is bringing already. We will be a damn fast team with a massive line it looks like. Pair those physical traits with a character he is instilling which we indeed saw in a 21 point 2nd half comeback against Colorado and it looks like we should have quite a nice football future coming our way.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

Technically, we were down by 28 points in the 4th quarter against Colorado, which makes those 35 unanswered points look even more impressive. But it wasn't just credit to us, CU kind of gave up at that point...but still impressive!

Kirk 11 years, 1 month ago

Would have been a lot more impressive if we had bothered to compete in any of the other games after CU.

Sean Rodger 11 years, 1 month ago

So at the KU-misery game I was talking with the guy next to me. He was telling me that he was talking with one of the football players (particularly about the Baylor - then ksu games). He was informed that Gill gave them 5 days off from football while he was out recruiting.

If you remember....the stretch between the end of the Baylor game to the ksu game was 11 days. ELEVEN DAYS they had to prepare for ksu - they used 6. WOW! No wonder why this team and coaching staff look unprepared and lost on the field and sidelines!

Things can get a little worse, but here's to hoping they get much better!

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

Maybe Gill was just being realistic... "Ah, this team sucks...I better take some extra time to go get some good players...No no guys, don't worry about it, we're gonna get stomped anyway, just take the week, lemme go get some PLAYERS!"

DevilHawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Off from football doesn't necessarily mean off entirely:

  • You want guys to get healthy.

  • You want guys to do well in their studies - after all, most players will not be going to the NFL. You can get a lot of schoolwork/studying done with a week dedicated to academics. Considering that the K-State game was on the first day of fall break, they probably had midterms between the Baylor and K-State games.

  • Strength and conditioning/running are football-related, but they are not actually practicing or learning football.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

You forgot to mention watching tape. I'm sure most of them undoubtedly spent some time reviewing game film.

kansas22 11 years, 1 month ago

Better seasons await... Could it really get worse? Gill better hope better seasons await. I agree it's too early to come to any accurate conclusion on how good of a coach Gill can be at Kansas, but let's just say he didn't impress ANYONE in year number one. Get rid of the ridiculous rules (girls after 10pm, no cussing, cell phones, names on jerseys) and recruit better players. I think if the players played as hard as they did in the last quarter of the Colorado game, we could have been okay. That same heart they played with then simply wasn't there pretty much the majority of the season. Find a way to motivate the players to play harder for you. Better seasons await... Yeah. I'd freaking hope so.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

As a 1990 graduate, I can tell you that things most certainly can get worse!

caribhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

JayHok, take 5 minutes and inform yourself about KU recruiting so far, its not very good, a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits! See for an objective review. KU is rated 9th out of the 12 Big 10 teams for 2011 recruits (K-State is rated 8th). So far, TG can't even out-recruit Snyder or 8 other teams, & that was supposed to be TG's one strength. Out of 18 recruits, 6 are offensive linemen and 4 are defensive backs, which KU needs. But KU has zero defensive line recruits, KU's defensive line is not very good, where are the recruits? KU only has one 4-star recruit (running back Miller) and K-State has two 4-star recruits. KU's recruiting is almost done, they have 18 recruits so far, the same number they had last year. Hopefully, KU is in line for at least 5 or 6 more good recruits, but who knows, its late & I assume most good recruits have committed by now. I know they are after the stud Juco transfer QB Stoudt, and he has some interest in KU, but we all know how Juco transfer QB Meachem worked out this year despite much higher expectations. Mangino coached these types of 2 and 3 star recruits up to 4-star levels, I doubt TG can do that, but we'll see.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

K-State's 4-star recruits are both JUCO players, and we've all seen how hit-and-miss JUCO players can be. As for the class being done, I wouldn't say that's the case. Last year's class was small, this year's class has room left. Some of these offensive linemen will surely be moved to defense before they ever step on the field at KU. If you listen to analysts they are actually saying the opposite. While KU's class will not be in the top few in the Big XII, it is a very nice class considering the situation and does have quality and some depth.

Jennifer Nikkila Pressgrove 11 years, 1 month ago

According to Rivals, Texas has had the top recruiting class in the Big 12 the last seven years. How'd they do this year? Guess who else had top recruiting classes in the Big 12? Callahan at Nebraska. Gill's current class is full of speed and size. They don't necessarily have the highest rankings, but Gill has some raw talent coming in and it is a good class to build with. Like you said, we will see what his staff can do from there, but it seems pretty early to judge.

JayHok 11 years, 1 month ago

Sorry Caribhawk, I didn't mean to sound like a know it all because i don't have time to keep up with all this stuff. What I do know is size & speed win. It's been a long time (never as far as I can recall) where we've had this much raw size & speed coming in at once with possibly 5 more to come. Again I know very little on the INS & outs of this but something feels different. Nationally he seems to be developing a buzz (i live in Portland & Oregon fans talk about recruiting, they know he can recruit whereas Mangino wasn't really seen as a guy who would swoop into your hometown & meet parents which is the key). January will be a good litmus test. If he does bring in a few more 4 star recruits before next year then I am sold. We all know it's about recruiting. I'm almost glad he has a five year guaranteed contract for the recruiting benefits.

He's a recruiter. Let's just wait a few months until we judge his first full class.

Rock Chalk

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

I say it all the time. Reesing, Talib, Meier (at QB) guys like that were all 2 and 3's who coach makes out of them when they get on campus that matters. Can Gill do it? I dunno. Seems to have made a nasty DE out of TO. Don't get me wrong, I would love to get us some 4s and 5s. But the ranking system for high school players is 6 kinds of screwed up and doesn't tell what you'll get... Unless you are like me and play EA Sports NCAA Football on XBox. Then the 4s and 5s usually work out...

LAJayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Moving McDougald back to safety is clearly the right move as well. He is already starting to excel there, and a lot of that has to do with coaching, just as Bradley himself explained.

JayHok 11 years, 1 month ago

Nice point Kleave. Seems like there is certainly a coorelation between the Alabamas, Floridas, Oklahomas in terms of the stars and speed on the recruiting trail.

To me if you can get the number 1 recruiting class a couple years in a row, you will see a national champion 3 years later. Honestly out here the Oregon fans see that Gill is going for blood on the recruiting trail, they keep up with the national recruiting stuff with a passion because it wasn't that long ago they weren't relevant. Whether he lands them all or any, we'll see but he has a recruiting buzz attached to his name out here which wasn't the case with Mangino.

We've never seen a loaded roster before. I think if Jayhawk football fans can accept that out recruiting everyone is equivalent to winning championships, perhaps we can all wrap our head around what Gill's mission really is here.

The guy is a recruiter. Anyone whose been in the military would want Gill as a sergeant because respect and accountability are in his heart and also know he would jump in front of a bullet and take one in the tricep to save your life.

I think it's good that Gill has four weeks to recruit his first year instead of going bowling. The litmus test will come soon enough.

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 1 month ago

Better seasons await? For Gill's continued employment at KU, it better get better! I am anxious to see how many fans continue to support 3-9 campaigns. The way you explained Keegan, KU will be much improved. I do really hope so.

dtownhawkfan 11 years, 1 month ago

He'll be employed for awhile regardless since his contract doesn't have a buyout clause.

DevilHawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily mean next season. Given our schedule, I could realistically see us improving on the scoreboard but end with a 2-10 record next season.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

Can anybody tell me whatever happened to Darius Parrish? I see him on the roster, but he STILL isn't mentioned in the DL rotation, even in this article. Mangino played the guy as a true freshman, and he is massive. Is this all a result of his brush with the law?

David Robinett 11 years, 1 month ago

or Prinz Kande, for that matter!? Wasn't he a 4 star?

KCHawk81 11 years, 1 month ago

Parish got into the stat book vs. A&M, but never started. Don't know much about other possible motivations, but it does appear they gave him a chance to play. Seems like this was his first year back on defense after Mangino had him on the O-line. I'd like to think he can take a starting job from Johnson or Dorsey with another offseason worth of practice.

Kande played every game except the last one, when McDougald, Harris, Brown, Barfield, and Patmon handled most of the secondary work. I'd assume Kande was still behind Oguntodu on the depth chart as well. Like most of our safeties, Kande got burned deep more than once. He'll probably be behind Terry and McDougald at the safety spots next year, but he might be able to start at corner with Patmon and Brown.

It is a wonder to me that the geniuses working for Rivals don't have better jobs, given their unerring evaluations of talent and potential.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 1 month ago

Better season await until you realize we have to play all of the south teams.

Mark Lindrud 11 years, 1 month ago

Next year's schedule will not be easy, but that is the way things go. We can have improvement on defense, which I do agree the Toben, Keeston and Bradley moves look really good. We have a season under our belts and the players know what is expected. I do hope Gill learned from this season and the offseason program shows the changes needed.

Offense should improve also because we do have a lot of young WR's, but I will admit we still do not have a go to WR so that is a concern. The offensive line will be better with the healthy linemen returning. Also, the guys know what is expected and understand the program better. Sims and Bourbon, enough said about the RB's and that is a good thing.

QB, well that is a mess at the moment and even if Stoudt comes in and is the stud we are hoping for the offensive line must be heads and shoulders better than this season. All that being said a team usually gets the most improvement the second season under a good coach and yes I said good coach. Next year we find out if Gill is a good coach because the team will be more to his liking with the system in place and the players knowing the expectations. We can be critical as we all have been, but now it is time to see if this team is moving up or staying put.

Dyrk Dugan 11 years, 1 month ago

as the general theme of the article states, yes, better seasons await....but competitive football records might least in the short term.

the d-line will improve, because we'll actually have one year of stability. everyone realizes that this group, just had its fourth position coach in four years? (next year will be the first time since '06-'07, that the coach will be the same.)

That's a lot of new techniques, language, jargon and overall strategery that players have to absorb...and i can't imagine how that translates into your overall preparation. I would say it's not positive.

Yes, the defense will be better with the injured players coming back....but what about the schedule? the schedule just got a lot tougher....(next year, we add UT, TTech and OU...and lose CU and NU.) That's why i was fairly stunned the Big 12 didn't lock down NU and CU thru next year....not only for overall league stability, but selfishly, it would have given KU another year without OU and UT. But it is what it is, and if KU goes 3-6 in the league next year, that's a good mark.

with a legitimate big time college QB, this team will be better next year...but it's overall record not too much better. i don't think you'll see anything really substantial from this program until 2012 or 2013...and truly, with what was in the cupboard, that's not too bad.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. The one thing that must happen is that we must be more competetive, and maybe even beat the likes of K-State and Iowa State. Both teams lose key players and shouldn't be noticably more talented than we are. And we can't have another NDSU against McNeese State next year.

stuck88 11 years, 1 month ago

If we go 3-6 in the BIG XII but win all 3 non conference games then we are bowl eligible. That doesnt seem to be too far of a reach. I also agree that it is a way tougher schedule next year, but it also opens up more recruiting doors for us.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Agree with the responses above. We can still hit .500 which would be a definite improvement (and bowl eligible) with a more difficult schedule. Plus, to be honest, I would rather face TTech than Nebraska.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

You've said that before and you simply don't know what you're talking about. Tom Lemming said Gill was just outside his top 10 of recruiters all time during his time at Nebraska, a fact noted by Steven Sipple of the Lincoln Journal-Star has written about what a great recruiter was while at Nebraska. Quit making up things to back up your arguments about Gill needing to be fired. I'm a Gill supporter, but there were plenty of reasons to be disappointed without you claiming to have inside knowledge of his time in Lincoln. And I live in Omaha, so don't claim to have a geographical edge over me on this one.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

Let's assume you are correct. How 'bout the praise received from Jeremy Crabtree and Tom Lemming? It's also considerably ignorant and paranoid to assume anything you read and don't agree with is ignorant.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

Talent and speed on this team? Are you a time traveler from 2007?

rastameta 11 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, but you too showed your ignorance by saying Gill isn't a good recruiter and saying this team had talent and speed. Yes, there were a couple of players that had speed, but you cannot tell me that our LB's had any speed. You are simply blind if you think that.

FSUJHAWK 11 years, 1 month ago

I agree with the title, I'm just not sure when it will happen-considering the revved up schedule thanks to NU and CU bolting.

Only time will tell whether HCTG is the right person for the job. He needs the unwavering support of the student-athletes, administration and fans. With his personality I'm sure he has the support of the former but I'm not so sure about the latter. Yes, I said time and support. Ask M. Mangino, B. Bowden, T. Osborne, etc what time and support can do for a program.

I'll say this again, if Misery can support G. Pinkel for 2+ years of losing KU and its fans must be able to do better!


Tony Bandle 11 years, 1 month ago

I know, I's tough to feel optimistic after a 3-9 season but we are living that dream of enhanced team strengths here in St.Louis with the Rams.

Having gone 3-12, 2-14 and 1-15 the last three years, it was difficult to even imagine being in first place after Thanksgiving. Granted the Rams have many holes and the NFC West just sucks beyond words, but we are just one example that given hard work and smart planning, anything can be accomplished.

I honestly can't say if Turner Gill is the guy, but last year, at this time we were saying the same things about Ram Coach, Steve Spagnolo.

I say, let's give HCTG another season to show improvement.

David Robinett 11 years, 1 month ago

AND Coach Todd Haley of the Chiefs, who stunk last season. And QB Matt Cassel who kinda stunk early in the season. Or Pinkel at MU (when he was losing to D2 schools). It's sooooooooo easy to judge, especially when (as Kleave reminds us) none of us posters really know crap. Give it time guys.

As I've said, what in the heck have we got to lose -- our winning FB tradition?

If we keep doing what we're doing (have done in the past), we're gonna keep getting what we're getting (mediocre to bad FB).

LAJayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

"Having gone 3-12, 2-14 and 1-15 the last three years, it was difficult to even imagine being in first place after Thanksgiving...."

And then the Rams got a solid star of a QB....

There are 21 other guys involved on the football field, but there really isn't a more important position. And our team is no exception.

But I totally agree with everything you and daverinoku said.

Steve Corder 11 years, 1 month ago

Is there no perspective? For all you hyper critical "I want it now" type of people, consider Mack Brown at UT. He has money, facilities, tradition, fan it and UT can claim it, and his team was more disappointing than KU. UT was a preseason top-5 and managed only one more conference win than Gill's kids. UT had the same coaching staff that almost brought them a national title less than a year before. Yet some how Gill is a coaching nightmare?

I don't know the inticacies of major college sports' programs, but I do know that successful organizations take time to find the right people for the right spots, especially for a new CEO taking over a wounded organization.

Gill may or may not be the right man, but all this chatter (since the N Dakota State loss) about his lack of (fill-in-the-blank) is foolishness.

Personally, I like the man's demeanor, and I believe he'll make adjustments to bring respectability to the program....on and off the field.

Maracas 11 years, 1 month ago

There's nowhere to go but up, really. KU could have paid someone with Gill's sketchy qualifications a whole lot less to have similar results and similar prospects.

caribhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

bb73, I'll take Texas record this year and over time for KU....And their No. 1 national recruiting class...

midhawktx 11 years, 1 month ago

I really hope we have a much better year next year as this year has been miserable to follow. My questions are: will we compete with enthusiasm every game and be in shape to play four quarters? That is something that I don't think any fan, player, or coach can say happened this year consistently.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

Seriously...we are one game back from Texas in conference record and two games back in overall record. Does nobody else find that hilarious?

babyjay1 11 years, 1 month ago

Keep trying... I've gone the Texas road for a couple of weeks and since we are the truly storied Jayhawks, no one cares that the lowly Longhorns have had a miserable season... I DO find it hilarious and would love to see what Texas fans are saying but won't stoop to trolling on their message boards! With you all the way!!!

gdoggwr 11 years, 1 month ago

yah!!! lets get him. Fire Turner Gill!!! Run him out of town!!! We all know that the head coach's first year tells us everything we could possibly need to know about his coaching and recruiting potential. I mean just look at history, Glenn Mason was 1-10 his first year, Terry Allen was 5-6 his first year, and Mark Mangino was 2-10 his first year...

hmmm, maybe it does take more that a year to be successful. and say what you will, they way last year ended, with an 7 game skid and a coach run out of town by an AD who then retired really quick before questions started flying... Gill didn't exactly inherit the defending champs here or anything.

Fred Davis 11 years, 1 month ago

I don't care if Bill Parcells was coaching this team - the talent is scarce. I'm convinced that part of TGill's incessant recruiting message during his introductory presser wasn't hyperbole but a veiled way of saying - "this team sucks and I'm going to have to recruit in order to keep my job here."

Hell, Carl Torbursh told the KC Star that they needed to recruit better players - ever heard a coach come out and say that before..? Mangino did no favors with the last few recruiting classes and we'll see what TGill and Crew are gonna do with a 3-9 year under their belt in attracting future Jayhawks... And let's not get overly wrapped up in the star system - Anthony Collins was a 3-star and Aqib Talib was a 2-star guy... They turned out okay... But most importantly for KU is whether or not they can get a QB, because without a decent quarterback - which the Jayhawks don't reliably have, TGill will be gone midway through season three if he hitches himself to Jordan Webb... I'm as disappointed any KU fan about how KU Football looked this year, but - gulp - I'm going to give T-FeelGood-Gill the beneift of the doubt this season and we'll see what kind of football coach he comes back as next season... Because players aren't the only ones who get better during the offseason....

JayHok 11 years, 1 month ago

I really think Jayhawk nation need to wrap our head around what Gill's mission is here. He's not trying to outrecruit Colorado, Missouri and Iowa State. He's trying to out-recruit Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and USC.

From day one he said that. I'm not sure if we even have a 3 or 4 star yet but we must understand his vision that is shared with his coaching staff.

Whether he will be successful or not in this vision, well he has five years to prove it. Certainly he can't be judged on his first year coaching a team that had just lost seven in a row.

Time will tell. Recruiting is all that matters in college football. If you need a punt return coach, you get the punt return coach. Recruiting bigtime players is the magical key. To do that you need a magical message to parents and players and great facilities.

Gill very well could be that man. How can we know yet? We don't! But it sure seems to me judgement doesn't come until we see Gill taking down the Floridas and Nebraska's and Ohio States occassionay in recruiting.

stuck88 11 years, 1 month ago

We do have some good 3 stars coming in and a very good 4 star running back. Gill did this in his first year and with a 3-9 record. Once he gets another year his belt and we start winning i see KU pulling in some really good recruits.

troutsee 11 years, 1 month ago

Great article, Keegan. Your comments are very insightful. Hope you are right. You made a lot of good points.

As far as you Gill haters are concerned, only time will tell. Even though I was very disappointed by our season, I am reminded that we finished with seven straight losses last year, even with a gifted, although gimpy, QB. You might as will stop your fire-Gill talk. Only a complete idiot would fire him at this point.

I'm behind you, coach. Go out and complete this recruiting class with some big time players and let's get it on next year.

mikehawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Anyone who knows anything about football at the collegiate, or pro level, knows you cannot judge a program and its coaching/recruiting/drafting after one year, and maybe not two. This team made progress during the year. And yes, next year we should be able to see even more progress in all areas, but for now we need potential recruits reading about support for Gill and his staff, not "what a lousy coach he is." I think some of the more football shallow fans look at Gill's demeanor on the sidelines and because he isn't running up and down yelling like Stoops and Pelini, they translate that into the guy doesn't know what he is doing. For those fans, see Tony Dungy. The law of equifinality states "there are many, many ways to accomplish the same thing."

KSseahawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Generally I agree if there is progress game to game...and that doesn't even mean winning every game. There were more games this season when the team looked wildly underprepared, unenthusiastic, unmotivated, etc.

Look at the KSU game and the MU game...the supposed rivalry games, where no one really even showed up. The game was over midway through the first quarter in both cases. Again...just keep it competitive. Sure Mangino lost the last 7 games...but as I recall they were much more fun to watch, because we had a chance.

To be fair, the GT game was solid and the CU game was dreadful until the final 11 minutes and the OSU game, where the team came out competitive and then TGill and CLong seemed to abandon the successful gameplan altogether. If anything, that's a regression, since the GT game was the second game of the season...and we didn't see a performance like that until the last 11 minutes of the CU game...many weeks later.

It's obvious he won't be fired, but let's curb the enthusiasm until he demonstrates the ability to implement a system (still not sure what it is...after an entire season - so he wants the defense to be fast...who doesn't want a fast defense?), implement and coach a successful game plan (not seen at any point this season for an entire game....mmmmaybe GT, but that is IT), build on success (nothing was built on from the 4th quarter performance of the CU game or the GT game), put the players in a position to succeed (it took the players to convince him to attempt the on-sides kick vs CU) and to coach the talent he's bringing in. All talent aside...what did you see this year to make you think he going to be successful with the 'talent'?

No, I don't want some crazy lunatic running about the sidelines, but it would be nice to see him do more than exhale emphatically. Dig through the LJW photo archives where Gill is yelling (at someone...presumably a ref?!?) and number 43 running off the field is staring at Gill as if "he saw a ghost" (quote from APSCE).

newjayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

They need to empty the doggone DB starters and second team and start fresh ! You guys must high ! They were not good in any sense of the word good! Baylor passed for 440 yds thru the air! 410 by OSU ! 300 by Texas A & M ! 330 by Colorodo ! USM only had 195 , but they had a 90 yarder and a couple of more big gains called back because of penalties ....thank God! KSU , Missouri had at least 180 yds....Gee wiz! The defense as a whole gave up 5100 freaking yards....again. If you guys think this is improvement then I now see why this is a MF Basketball school and should join a BB super conference . The people in Lawrence are by far some of the most nice people I have ever encountered and deserve better than this. The offense was absolutely one dimensional! All the opposing defenses had to to do was stop or limit James and the game was over! If they don't get a threat besides James , next year will be a complete catastrophe. The ONLY hope for KU for the conference to lose a lot of studs to the NFL. Kansas needs to get some physical , in your face , don't give a F athletes to counter the souths' dominance. Last year when Gill came he signed at least 10 kids with a minimum of seven credible offers....This year he's getting all these kids with one offer from KU or Tulsa....He better do what Troy Aikman says on his commercial and "GET REAL"! Jacorey Shephard is the

actorman 11 years, 1 month ago

"Both try their best to belittle other universities by streaching the true, just to build up NU, which we know is not correct. Best bet is not to believe everything you see in the LJS, it is the most inferiority and missleading new media around."

To say you're a complete idiot would be an incredible insult to complete idiots. Do you have any concept of how the English language works? When you write something so stupid, it undermines any hint of credibility you may have.

troutsee 11 years, 1 month ago

Agree. To say that this comment does not flow well or make much sense would be an understatement but, on the other hand, is par for the course for this pessimist.

newjayhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

lighten up my friend....just poking a lil fun at the encouraging signs. that's all , no harm meant to the you die hard fellas..but in keeping it respectful when you use names like stupid and idiot ____well...that's pretty harsh. If you have to resort to that kind of demeanor , then at least be a man about it and say it face to face. Of course I anyone has the common sense to know that you can't overhaul the first and second teams and expect better....again, it was light hearted BS. As far as NU is concerned , I could give a rats ass about them. You have no idea of how much I personally have vested in the Jayhawk program. I'm in Lawrence quite a bit and should you feel the need to express further this anger you seem to possess ....please drop me a line! ACTOR , I would love to see them go 12-0 just like you .

yovoy 11 years, 1 month ago

What struck me most about everything above - including the article - is that there are some people that can actually speak and be heard defending Coach Gill. Loud-mouths, and malcontents were bogging down any realistic discussion that might have been able to have happened. I want our coach to succeed: what's good for Him is good for our FB program. I'm with the people that are willing to let it play out a little bit BEFORE going nuts about firing him. I'm sure there's a core reason that some on here want him gone, but you'll never see it mentioned by the spoil-sports. I'm just glad that seemingly since the season ended that there's more engagement with concern to our program.

My hat is off to the cooler heads above. Please count me among your ranks.

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