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Friday, November 12, 2010

Sterling reviews: KU basketball’s Tyshawn Taylor, putting last year behind, off to solid start

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor turns up the court after picking up a loose ball against Emporia State during the first half, Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor turns up the court after picking up a loose ball against Emporia State during the first half, Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Tyshawn Taylor continues to erase memories of a somewhat shaky sophomore season at Kansas University.

“I think he has played really well. I do,” KU coach Bill Self said, applauding the 6-foot-3 point guard/shooting guard’s effort in exhibition routs of Washburn and Emporia State.

The Hoboken, N.J., native scored 22 points off 63.6 percent shooting while dishing eight assists against three turnovers in 21.0 minutes per game.

“He’s really trying to talk, to be a leader. He’s done a good job,” Self added.

Taylor — he’d previously drawn rave reviews from both Self and strength coach Andrea Hudy for his work last summer — cracked the slightest of smiles when informed of his boss’ positive comments.

“He hasn’t really told me that, but I don’t expect him to. I don’t feel I need to hear that. I feel this is what I’m supposed to do anyway, so I’m going to do it anyway,” Taylor said of playing hard and playing well.

“He did tell me one time on the bench I’m getting better every day so I feel that’s positive and I’m just going to keep getting better.”

Taylor — he figures to be the starting point guard for tonight’s regular-season opener against Longwood University (7 p.m., Allen FIeldhouse) — hit seven of 11 shots versus WU/ESU, mostly off layups and floaters.

He missed his only two three-point tries during a preseason in which the Jayhawks converted seven of 31 from beyond the arc. The Morris twins connected on four of six threes; the rest of the Jayhawks three of 25.

“We’ve got to knock down some shots. Like I said before, I think the shots are going to fall,” Taylor said. “I think really it’s just defense is what we’ve got to work on. I think our offense is going to flow because we share the ball. We are an unselfish team. Our offense will come. We just have to keep people from scoring.”

Taylor — he hit 19 of 56 threes for 33.9 percent last season and 43.8 percent of his shots overall — didn’t blame a right ring finger injury for his inability to ice a three in the preseason.

“I dislocated it a couple times. It’s not really bad,” said Taylor, who had two fingers taped during both practice games. “I mean it’s still a work in progress,” he added of his shot. “I feel I’m not a pure shooter by any means. I feel I can still work on it. I wouldn’t say I’m not confident in my shot. I just look for the right time to shoot it. That’s probably why I don’t go up as much.”

Self is not alarmed at KU’s three-point stats in games that don’t count in the standings.

“No. It is bad, though. We are seven for 31 so far,” Self said. “I said all along perimeter shooting will be a big key to everyone’s season, certainly our season. We have to do a better job shooting the ball, but we didn’t take many either. We took 12,” he said of a 3-for-12 effort versus Emporia State.

“We need Brady and Tyrel (Reed) probably moreso than anyone else that’s been in our program the last couple years to step up and make shots. Their performance isn’t determined on whether or not they make shots, but it certainly gives our team a much better chance when you can stretch the defense. They are the top candidates in order to do so,” Self added.

Reed went 2-for-7 and Morningstar 0-for-5 from three in the exhibition games.

“We haven’t really talked about it much. I think we’ve got capable shooters on this team. I think we’ve got proven shooters on this team,” Reed said. “Shots weren’t falling those (first) couple games, but I thought we did other things well besides shoot the three. Hopefully it will pick up in the games.”

Who will hit threes?

“I think they are all capable,” Reed said of his teammates. “Travis (Releford) put in a lot of work in the offseason. Tyshawn has gotten a lot better. Myself and Brady have to knock down shots, being guards looking to shoot a lot. The twins have been doing a good job. That’s not their forte I guess.

“When they’ve been open, they’ve been knocking it down, so why not shoot it?

“I think they (twins) would rather be facing up and going to the basket, but I think they like three points as well as anybody else,” Reed added.

Comments

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 2 months ago

Brady hasn't show ability to hit threes for ages. He won't be a threat at all.

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

I don't know what it is, but I've never liked brady's shot. It looks like a push in stead of a stroke....looks stale to me.

BillSelfsLittleBrother 11 years, 2 months ago

yea put brady next to juenneman please. i mean my only complaint with HCBS thus far has been early exits in the tourny and the fact he is so stubborn to think brady can actually play at this level. Let Travis and Elijah get his minutes because they are not only better but they also need the experience. PLEASE BENCH BRADY, he should just be happy to be on the team anyways.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

Brady Morningstar could lock down a guy by himself better than EJ and Releford could double teaming him.

There's more to basketball than being flashy on the offensive end.

BillSelfsLittleBrother 11 years, 2 months ago

ummm false...Brady is good, but just not KU good. No shame in sitting on the bench for Brady. And he is NOT better than Elijah or Travis. Look at their ratings as recruits, its not even close. Let the talented players play. I really believe with Travis out there last year that we wouldnt have lost to UNI, no offense to Brady but he probably wouldnt even see that many minutes at a school like UNI.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

I wouldnt go that far.

lets try to keep race out of the debate gentlemen.... it never leads to a good outcome

92Jhawk 11 years, 2 months ago

I couldn't agree more. Brady is a basketball player albeit without the physical gifts of players like Travis and EJ. Kids like EJ don't seem to know how to play the game yet. Some of the mistakes he makes causes me to wonder if he was ever "coached" before coming to KU. Does he have a HUGE upside? YES...is there a reason Coach Self plays him behind Brady? You bet...and he (Coach) knows a lot more about the game and his players than any of us do.

waywardJay 11 years, 2 months ago

Benny. No, he can't and that's the major reason Tyrel passed him. EJ has already been mentioned as being the "first" guard off the bench, IE major minutes until Josh is back....

Personally i hope we go three Guard to start once we are full. Originally i had Little at the three but we won't spread enough with him starting. So it becomes Tyrel playing the third guard to tyshawn and Josh ......

This worries me about our offense. Against teams that shoot white hot, we willnot be able to counter their streak shooting.

youowethehawks 11 years, 2 months ago

Hey! Remember that time when 6'3" Brady shut down 6'7" Chase Budinger? No, no, you don't because you weren't paying attention. I'd venture to say that Coach Self has seen some talented defenders in his years as coach. Why, then, would he always stick Brady on the opponents' best player? Is it because Bill Self thinks that Brady Morningstar can't play the game? I doubt it.

truefan 11 years, 2 months ago

Too rational. Try being more irrational and maybe they will get it. haha

Matt Bowers 11 years, 2 months ago

I'm a Brady fan and I think he gets minutes because of his ability to play defense. HCBS knows what he is doing. You are correct in saying that both EJ and Releford need more minutes.

Rock Chalk

92Jhawk 11 years, 2 months ago

I agree kustrong...and defense is played with ones head as much as it is pure athletic ability. Travis and EJ are more gifted but they (not sure about Travis yet, I've not seen enough to form a solid opinion at this point) don't know how to position themselves, how to slide or where to force the offensive player at this point. Brady plays because Coach Self trusts him and he doesn't play other guards ahead of him because they've not earned his trust in practice, a place none of us find ourselves on a daily basis. Talent doesn't always equal wins, just ask front running Heat fan (although the season is still young)

Tony Bandle 11 years, 2 months ago

Considering we've had Maio. RussRob and Sherron combinations for the last four or five years, I would have to say you are correct.....however, worst may be a relative term and when Selby is eligible, it will at the very least be competitive.

waywardJay 11 years, 2 months ago

Eeeek. I don't know about that. Sure, We've yet to see the defensive maturation to the russrob mario comparison, nor the offensive juggernaut that sherron became. But out of hand calling this backcourt one of the worst ina while.

We have the number 1 recruit in the nation coming soon, and Tyshawn deservese alot more credit than he has been given. Infact, on the campionship team we really only had 4 guards that played. This year, we will have EJ, Josh, Tyrel, Tyshawn playing major minutes.... Royce and Brady getting in where they can, and Travis and Mario fitting the Rush spot.

Can they bring it up like '08 could? Arguably they could have 4 guys bring it up considering Marcus.

Can they defend it ? looked decent in stretches but no one could defend like '08.

I will say this though as a fan of Kansas basketball for a while now, We've NEVER had two guys who can get into the lane on anyone, and it appears we have that in Selby and Taylor.

Michael Pannacciulli 11 years, 2 months ago

I am always pulling for TT - maybe its the Jersey connection.

Overall I don't think we recruit for sharpshooters. We should. We need a killer like that dude at Northern Iowa (or dudes) that smoked us from the perimiter. I don't see one guy one the squad who is our Ray Allen (exceptional example but you know what I mean).

I said it a couple days ago but our recruiting flat out has been awful this year. I would give it a C-. We need Ben, and MORE. What's the deal???? Our style is clearly not as interesting as the track team that Mizzou has or the Freedom the bigs get at Baylor. I haven't lost hope but it does beg the question "why are we not in the recruiting discussion?".

Free Selby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

Tyrel Shot 47.3% from Treyland last year, and is 42.5% for his career.

Ali Forokmenesh shot 37% last year, and 37% for his career.

Tyrel was the 21st best 3pt shooter in the entire NCAA last year.

He is, by definition, the sharpshooter you say we don't recruit!!

loyal2thephog 11 years, 2 months ago

I agree... with that said, Tyrel made 44 three pointers over the course of last season... do the math 35-36 games... thats less than 1.5 per game.

On the other hand, a guy like JJ Redick made 121 his junior year, Boschee 81 his senior year...

I said this earlier, but when a team looses there "best players" (I heavily emphasize the "..") sometimes guys that were relegated to minor roles get a chance to step up and shine. *I think Tyrel is a heck of a player... ever since watching the KU-KSU game on Feb. 14 and watching him step up at the end of the game like he did, I've been in his corner.

Should Selby be cleared and Whithey stay healthy, we are no worse this year than last... and I got to say, should this scenario play out, I like this team much better.

DocBean 11 years, 2 months ago

No worse this year than last?? Didn't we only lose 3 games last year and go into the tournament as the overwhelming number 1 seed? We were ranked first for more weeks then all other schools combined.

I hope we're no worse this year, that would be great!

loyal2thephog 11 years, 2 months ago

Why is Jeff Boschee the only KU bballer in recent memory that garners comparisons to your Ray Allen sharpshooteresque comment. I couldn't agree more. I wish HCBS would recruit/find some dead eye sharpshooters that are capable of going on 9-0/12-0 runs by themselves.

BUT... i do remember hearing about someone from ESPN (Steven A. Smith maybe) reporting that they had a personal shoot-around/workout with Selby, before he committed to KU, that he was a great pure shooter who had extreme range, taking jump shots with ease from damn near half-court, and drilling them... no push on the ball what-so-ever.

So... I don't think we know what we have until the NCAA makes a decision on Selby.

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

Tyrel went on many runs last year.

Tyrel played 15 minutes a game last year and made 44 threes.

Jeff Boschee played 31 minutes a game the year he made 110 threes.

Also, Tyrel is not asked to score....he is not the 'main guy' as Boschee was.

Sharpshooting can only be assessed by how accurate they are, and I'd say 47.5% is pretty darn accurate.

kubball99 11 years, 2 months ago

You are correct about Selby, but it was Jason Williams (ESPN analyst and Duke grad). While I don't normally put too much weight in what ESPN commentators say (Dick Vitale being the prime example), Jason Williams was a good player at a top college level school. I put some weight in what he says about Selby and his abilities to shoot the long ball (Williams was a decent outside shooter in college).

Sam Constance 11 years, 2 months ago

Williams was no doubt an elite college basketball player who would have been an elite NBA player if not for his motorcycle accident.

That being said, I think you might want to watch him a bit more before declaring anything he says to be worthwhile. He may have been correct about Selby, but I find his commentary to be typically uninsightful and a waste of time.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

All the recruiting problems this year can be attributed to the simple fact that Self did not have a back up plan in case he missed on Josiah Turner, i know, i know its blasphemy to knock the head coach on this forum, but i think somebody needs to speak truth to power. How do you not recruit more than one PG?

Joe Baker 11 years, 2 months ago

bennybob- You rant and rave about how horrible the recruiting. I understand your point to a small degree. But, HCBS runs a clean program and doesn't fall prey to the temptations of the other crooked coaches. Maybe this explains why we don't get the number of recruits you expect/ed. I want all the top 25 recruits too, but know that won't happen b/c Self doesn't play the recruiting game of other coaches.

I think we'll get BMac and Chol. I don't think Chol will announce until next year. KU will be just fine going into the next few years. I think we are the leader with Ellis (2012) too. It's finding key recruits, not just top recruits.

What is really interesting is how people complain about OADs. Then KU doesn't get a bunch of OADs, they still complain. Ask uk about their wonderful OADs. I'll take the 3-4 yr recruits and build a NC program every 2-3 yrs than win nothing with OADs in one yr.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

I guess because I've only been on these boards for a short while, it may seem that i am a hard critic of bill selfs recruiting.

So just to clarify, i think self does an excellent job bringing in players. it just happens to be that this year he didn't. when you mess up you have to be called on it. I am fully confident self will pull in another great class next year, which he will do because the fan base(us) won't allow a coach to consistently recruit at the rate self did this year.

bad_dog 11 years, 2 months ago

"...which he will do because the fan base(us) won't allow a coach to consistently recruit at the rate self did this year."

You must be the new AD, right ;-)

I doubt HCBS gives a crap what a bunch of internet know it alls (us) think and I'm just as glad he doesn't. He'll keep doing his thing. Even so, it's not all within his power. It's not like he's in the school yard picking shirts & skins. The recruits and their families have the ultimate say in that decision regardless whom HCBS or the Jayhawk Nation want to play for KU.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

What i meant by that is if Self were to bring in recruiting classes similar to this years over the next 2-3 years, the performance on the court would drop to a level that the fan base would be calling for his head.

See: Tubby Smith, Billy Gillepsie, Matt Doherty.. etc

I'm sure there were plenty of kool-aid drinking UK and UNC fans who thought those coaches knew what they were doing when they brought in wave after wave of Naadir-Tharpe-quality recruits

but once the performance on the court inevitably collapsed they wanted blood.

92Jhawk 11 years, 2 months ago

We have plenty of PG's on this team, more than most teams in the country to be honest (2 will be 1st round draft picks, one is almost assured to be a lottery pick). We can put "combo" in front of names like EJ and TT but with Selby on this team, we have 3 PG's and several players at the 2 and 3 that are capable to fill in at times when Coach wants to play with the lineup. TT was a PURE PG in HS, not a scorer but a distributor... what high quality PG over the past 5 years wants to come to a school that has Sherron, TT, Eli and Selby on its roster? Kids aren't as dumb as you think, their handlers aren't as blind as you believe...if I was a HS senior and had the talent that KU fans believe they deserve, I'd expect to come in and play right away. Heck, there are people on this board who are terrified that we're going to lose EJ because he can't get PT (he was only the 25th rated player (overall) in the country following his senior year). This team lost 3 games last year with TT at the point...we lost Sherron but gained a ton of experience and a player that goes by the name of Selby...I think we're going to be ok (do you feel that Selby was an example of great, poor or average recruiting?)

Coach Self knows what he's doing and goes after the very best players in the country every year. He's known as a great and tireless recruiter, has Final Fours, NC's conference championships and tournament resume's with 4 different schools and that's the truth.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 2 months ago

I think you misunderstood what i was trying to say.

i meant how could you only recruit one point guard in the class of 2011.

obviously selby is a stud and was one hell of a recruiting job by self, but he is a for sure OAD and there is a strong possibility talyor leaves after this year as well. that leaves us with only combo guards as potential points next year.

so with PG an obvious need for next year what did self do? he put all his eggs in one basket(josiah turner) and when that didnt pan out he had to scramble and reach for naadir tharpe.

self should have been in the ear or quinn cook and kabaowhatever his name is that went to texas from the beginning just in case he didnt land turner, but he didnt and that lead us to the situation we are in now

Bob Zielinski 11 years, 2 months ago

"Our style is clearly not as interesting as the track team that Mizzou has or the Freedom the bigs get at Baylor."?

'Our style has won 6 Big XII Titles in a row.

I'm pretty sure that Bill Self knows how to win basketball games. Have you looked at his overall winning percentage at all coaching stops? Have you seen his Big XII Conference record home and away?

I'm not trying to insult you but do you know what you are complaining about and what you are asking for?

REHawk 11 years, 2 months ago

Considering Enes Kanter's ineligibility decision coming down yesterday for Kentucky, surely the Selby ruling will appear within the week. What a stressful wait for all concerned in the Jayhawk Nation! Certainly does not bode well for the credibility and reputation of the NCAA. Coming across like a Dark Force knocking on doors at 3 a.m.

jhox 11 years, 2 months ago

I think Brady's only problem is that with his reduced minutes, he hasn't had a lot of opportunities to get in the flow of the game. He's the same guy who was one of our real bright spots 2 seasons ago, because of his passing and shooting. As one of the posters above pointed out, his defense is is real strength. He has earned his minutes. Let's just hope he gets back his mojo this season.

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 2 months ago

Brady plays because of his defense and how he distributes the basketball to others. That's fairly obvious.

cg1029 11 years, 2 months ago

Seriously Brady a average defender, and average shoter at best. Because he is the "best defensive player KU has does not make him a defensive stoper. With the exception of Cole the last couple of years KU has not been a great defensive team. So was Brady the best defender on KU... Sure, but the tallest midget is still a midget. He is in noway shape or form a "lockdown defender" much of his "production" can be attributed to the fact that KU as a team is more talented then other teams that players pad their stats vs.

Steven Mathew 11 years, 2 months ago

Why do you consider him an average defender? He is a lockdown defender. Did you not see the way he defended against LaceDarius Dunn last year? Have you ever played basketball before? Defense isn't easy. Don't criticize if you don't play because it seems you don't know what defense is.

ginger2015 11 years, 2 months ago

Look at the box score from last years Baylor game. Do you call that being locked down?

Steven Mathew 11 years, 2 months ago

Do you really think he guarded him the whole game? You don't think he ever took rest?

Tony Bandle 11 years, 2 months ago

Kanter's ineligibility declaration has several positive effects for Kansas:

1] The entire Hillbilly Blue nation is utterly pissed and perplexed. 2] The NCAA got their full season suspension out of their systems......they would never suspend another high profile player to the max. [They are cowards] 3] Josh's can now be finalized and resolved. [ Looking at a probable five game suspension, with a ruling coming pretty soon.] 4] Calipari looks like an idiot to recruit this guy. 5] Did I mention evvery Widcat fan is probably blaming Kansas for the loss of little Enes!!

100 11 years, 2 months ago

It didn't help Kentucky's cause that they recruited a guy who had been paid $150,000 by a professional team in Turkey. The NCAA was being nice to say Kanter used all of it except $33,000 of it to pay for his room, board & schooling.

Professional is professional. He was paid to play basketball in that system since he was 15 & got big checks when he was 17.

Whether or not he had $33,000 left or not should have been inconsequential. He was paid $150,000 to play professional basketball! Period.

(the funniest part of this was Calipari going on during the summertime about Kanter never receiving any money & then the Turkey GM presenting the receipts of payment).

All this done by the NCAA & Calipari is challenging the decision (again) so he can have Kanter legally practice for a few weeks until the NCAA finally closes the door on Kanter.

Just nuts.

Taken further Kanter had verbally agreed to play at UW. Then Calipari pulled a Terrence Jones & had Kanter switch allegiances, publically.

The fact that the head of this NCAA enforcement is a UW guy didn't help Kentucky either.

As for us, we are being treated fairly, although it feels forever.

Due to what Wall did to the NCAA last year, Selby's friendship with Anthony's manager will get further questioning.

There's nothing against the nCAA laws about being friends.

But due to what Wall did, making the NCAA look stupid at the end of his freshman season, the NCAA will ask as many questions as possible on this friendship, even if it results in nothing.

We will get a ruling; just not as soon as we'd like.

Joe Baker 11 years, 2 months ago

I know that was just stupid. We recruited him too and Self dropped it like a bad habit.

Kudos to Self for that recruiting loss or miss!!!

Ben Kane 11 years, 2 months ago

i know you are being silly, but living in kentucy i've not heard one fan blame kansas for this.

FreddyinLA 11 years, 2 months ago

Only saw 10 minutes of the ESU game but the team looked soft to me. No toughness or attitude or playing with a chip on their shoulder.

Having Kansas on the jersey and everything that represents isn’t going to be enough for this group. ESU was getting all kinds of open looks and must have had 5 or 6 easy backdoor opportunities.

On paper, I thought this team would still win the Big 12 and go further in the tourney than last year’s team. Not so sure now.

HCBS Illinois teams were mean and tough. This team looks like they spend too much time on Tweeter or Facebook, whatever that is.

duanep5ku 11 years, 2 months ago

Hi Oakville The Kittie cat's in the Blue Nation may not be blaming Kansas yet for Enes but you can bet they are going to cry like babies about Josh Selby if and when he gets cleared to play. The hillbillies will once again be crying out about the NCAA being bias against Uk and everyone is Just jealous of them. 'Oh. wait the UK fans never stop their whining about something and I think little blue nation is already crying.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 2 months ago

Ok, lots of Brady talk. Brady plays because he is safe and I think that Self doesn't view the risk of others, like EJ, as worth it. Guessing that he likes Brady's main attribute, which is stability. Brady's drop off, which really started with the MSU game in the 08-09 season was not a drop off at all. It was him returning to earth. Last season was Brady Morningstar. He is not a worthy starter, night in, night out, in a program like ours. And he is not worthy of 20 minutes per game. Someone above mentioned that Brady is not a "lockdown" defender. That is a correct. The myth that he is such is dispelled by simply watching him play against anyone with skill. He is an adequate defender, slow feet, no explosiveness. But correct spots helping. Perhaps he will prove the naysayers wrong, but I doubt it. And I really think Self recognized this last season. I really am not concerned that Brady will be a primary component come February.

Reed, on the other hand, is a player. He will have games where he goes off from 3 .. a 6 for 7, or something stupid like that. Plan on this guy being a big part.

Bennybob -- just watch Releford play D for 5 games and then let me know if you have a different opinion. I think you'll see that he will be our best perimeter defender when all is said and done this season.

KULA 11 years, 2 months ago

Amen on the Brady eval. He definitely gets burned against talented offensive players. He faded as last season wore on. He's never been a scoring threat, even in his best year, '09, when we were DYING for a 3rd option, he only averaged 6 ppg. He can't get his own shot and only hits his 3's when he has 3 seconds to set up. The three fast breaks he blew in the ESU speak volumes. To the poster above implying racism because Brady is white, I'm inclined to wonder if the opposite is true and you're merely projecting.

Have to disagree w/u on Tyrel, tho. Even tho he may be the best we have, he's not that good. His percentage is skewed by fewer attempts and situational shooting (like Markieff's). Tyrel, like Brady, only shoots when he has ample time to set up. A pure shooter can hit off a move, while closely guarded, or be able to create a shot. I've yet to see Tyrel do that in his 3+ years here.

chriz 11 years, 2 months ago

That, plus Brady had the best assist-to-turnover ratio last year out of the entire roster. 2.9/1.

ChicagoJHawk 11 years, 2 months ago

What are all you people smoking?? Seriously?

Self doesn't know what he's doing and has early exits in the tournament, his recruiting is going downhill, Jeff Boschee is like Ray Allen...

Did you guys forget about the national championship in 2008? He recruited the number 7 or 8 player in the country last year, X. Granted he didn't turn out as good as advertised but he still got him. And this year he got the #1 player in his class. It's not Self's fault that the NCAA is taking their sweet time clearing him. As KU fans sometimes we have ridiculously high expectations, myself included, but Bill Self continues to recruit the best players in the country.

Jeff Boschee is nothing like Ray Allen. If you look up his stats, you'll see that he made a lot of 3 pointers, but he also attempted waaaay more 3 pointers than anyone. I remember plenty of games where he'd miss about 13 in a row and Roy would still keep him in the game. Just sayin'....

RockChalk26 11 years, 2 months ago

Wait, you didn't see Jeff Boschee go off for 35 points against the Heat last night?

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

Bill is having trouble getting recruits in for 2011 only because his current team is so stacked (IMHO)

Think about this...there will likely be an NBA Lockout--and in our best case scenario (new recruits worst case scenario) Kansas will return:

Marcus Morris-all american Markief Morris -all american (will be by next year) Josh Selby--1 pt guard in 2010 class Tyshawn Taylor Elijah Johnson Royce Woolridge Travis Releford TRob Naadir Tharpe Ben McLemore**

As an incoming freshman, where would ever find the minutes and exposure that an elite level recruit wants. If it were me, I'd find a school where I knew I could get minutes. not really because I'd dream to ride the Pine in AFH before suiting up in any other Jersey....but that's because I've been a Jayhawk for 20+ years now. Other elite recruits do not have this sentimental tie that I have though.

Tony Bandle 11 years, 2 months ago

How in the heck did you forget Teahan and Withey??!! :)

Tony Bandle 11 years, 2 months ago

Is your moniker symbolic of the aftermath of a previous encounter? If so props to you!!

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

Yes....I'd say 'yes', on both accounts!!

Ron Franklin 11 years, 2 months ago

Yes....I'd say 'yes', on both accounts!!

miltnewton 11 years, 2 months ago

If you think Brady is a better than average D-I defender, you are uneducated and uninformed. He got that label by some C-level announcer a couple years ago and it stuck. For those who know what they are looking at, it is obvious he is too slow to guard major conference guards. He could have helped himself out by being able to muscle them, but he obviously didn't devote himself in the weight room while at KU either (see Reid). If Brady can't hit the 3 consistently, he is worthless to us and by all accounts he has lost his form. The only other thing he has to offer is a calming influence if our team goes on a stretch where we play out of control. That is it. @HighEliteMajor said it correctly. Despite being a senior, he should not see anywhere close to significant minutes in big games. Lockdown? What a joke. If we didn't have Tyshawn's quicks on defense last year, we don't win all 3 K-State games. He was the difference maker on D against Clemente. Now if he could be more consistent, he could be all world defensively but I don't expect that to happen.

David Hodges 11 years, 2 months ago

I'm not giving a perspective on the Brady situation but I must point out that the quickness argument isn't well backed up by the reference to guarding Clemente. He was considered by many the fastest guard in college basketball last year and gave MANY guards a headache in terms of staying in front of him. He is the main reason I feel that KSU will struggle early while trying to adjust to the lack of his speed. Brady does many things well on defense; plays close, keeps hands up, eyes on the ball, gets in passing... Many of the benefits of a good defensive player aren't easily seen on the court as they do not involve the other player having the ball in their hands. Keeping opposing players out of position and making it harder for them to be involved are strong suites in Brady's defensive style. I do think there are several players that should/could see playing time ahead of Brady but stating that he is not a good defender is false as CS has on several occasions also stated that Brady is one of the teams best defenders if not the best. And I'm pretty sure he's got a little better perspective than "some C-level announcer". But hey, thats just my opinion.
Hawk Basketball is here. Time for the positives. My faith is in Self and the Jayhawks, I'll let him make the decisions and let them play the basketball. Being that its the first game tonight I'm not ready to start dogging out players that have dedicated themselves to the university and play way better basketball than 95% of the people that post here. Lets Be Positive Rock Chalk

KULA 11 years, 2 months ago

Amen to that milt. Tyshawn won that game at KState for us last year. Brady almost lost it.

Sam Constance 11 years, 2 months ago

I'll first say that I'm not going to call Brady a "lockdown" defender. I don't think KU has had any of those since Brandon Rush left, quite honestly.

But the idea that anyone who sees him as above average is "ignorant" is just asinine. He's not as fast as would be ideal, but he makes up for that to some degree in that he uses his head. I grow weary of the notion that only athletic freaks can be good defenders. Defense is just as much about mental acuity as it is physical ability. How else does a team like UNI guard a team like KU? ? Or are you going to tell me that the players on that team were more athletic than KU's lineup?

You don't have to be quick as nails to be a good defender. In fact, Clemente is a great example of a guy who has lightning speed, but can't defend for crap because he doesn't do it properly.

Good defense is about being in the correct position. It's about knowing how not to over-commit to a player. It's about having the tenacity to keep your hand in the line of sight between a good shooter and the basket. It's about proper footwork. Sure, blazing speed and pogo-stick legs can help players compensate for poor defensive choices, but the idea that you have to have those things to be an above average defender is a myth.

It's ironic you would accuse those who think Morningstar is an above average as being ignorant and uneducated, considering the fact that perpetuating a myth about good defenders needing to be above average athletes is about as ignorant as it gets. It's common, but still ignorant.

hawksince51 11 years, 2 months ago

Glad to see that Tyshawn has recovered from his sophomore slump and showing good signs of being a leader and team player. However, the true test is when we start playing real competition and when Selby (maybe) is eligible.
Brady's value to the team is primarily on D. He will be a great asset coming off the bench when we get up against a hot shooting opponent at the 2 or 3. Hopefully, we will not need him to score that much.

hawksince51 11 years, 2 months ago

So far as recruiting, I have always felt that Self was better than Roy. While Roy did a great job in Iowa and sometimes in CA, Self has shown the ability to recruit much more effectively where the best basketball talent comes from--the East Coast.

jaybate 11 years, 2 months ago

"Friday Waiting for the Pre-Conference Games to Start"

~The wonderful thing about college basketball in the age of early departures is that every other season seems to be a totally new team. Its so exciting to see how the team will develop.

~The awful thing about college basketball in the age of early departures it that every other season seems to be a totally new team. Its so fraught with possibilities that the team will not develop very well.

~“I think they are all capable." --Tyrel Reed on his teammates trifectation

This is the wisest and smartest thing I have heard anyone say so far about this KU team, be they coaches, players, announcers, or board rats. On paper, this should be a fabulous trey shooting team. Reed and Brady have proven 40% trey guns. Marcus is considered to have a 38-40% trey gun. Kieff is probably the best uncontested trey gun we have. He could easily shoot 40-45%. Tyshawn has shown he can shoot 36% and he worked a bunch on it this off season, so even worst case scenario, Quantum T drains 37-38% this year. Travis appears to have at least a 36-37% trey gun, and it may be a 38% trey gun, if he remains as choosey about when he triggers as he has been so far. So far, EJ and Little appear to be the only guys that may not be able to do the long deed in triplicate, but it will take a few more games to etch that in stone.

~Would CJ Henry have helped this team, if Selby weren't cleared to play a game for KU? Did Americans just vote back in the party that started two wars and created the bottomless economic pit we are in? Can Frank Martin glare? Does Bob Huggins need a man bra? Can you use Lon Kruger's unibrow as a surveyors level? Is Dr. Tom Osborne pale? Is Doc Sadler a lousy dresser? Can Tyrel Reed get better? Is Tyshawn faster than quark at CERN? Is Marcus the best 4 in America by a large margin? Will this team get deadly if Selby is cleared? Is Kieff the best trey shooting post man in America? Is Royce going to play? Is Jeff Withey tall and destined to swat shots in March? Yes...to all of the above.

jaybate 11 years, 2 months ago

~Stop the hand wringing about defense. Of course, the defense is weak right now. Most of the players have never had to play D without Cole backing them up. They are essentially learning an entire new brand of m2m. It is called handle your own man and help constantly. The drill last season was guard the stripe, deny baseline, and funnel them toward the paint and Cole. This season it is deny them baseline and follow them into the paint. Never let them go. The object of the defense this season is to keep opponents away from the bigs. Marcus can't be allowed to play a lot of D, because KU can't afford for Marcus, who we're going to play through on O, to get in foul trouble. Further, we can't let players get in side on Kieff, because he's not yet a great defender, just a good one. Got to keep them away from TRob, because he fouls too much. Playing this kind of m2m takes serious manhood on the perimeter, a relearning of how to defend and a relearning of how to help. TT, Reed, BMorn, Little, Travis, EJ, none of them have had to do it at D1 level before. They are going to have to get beaten badly a game or two before they commit to figuring it out. It will take two thirds of a season before they get it down. Even the coaches are rusty on how to coach how its done. Everyone has been free riding on Cole for two full years. And even the ring team got to rely on Kaun and DBlock.

This year, Self is going to ask these perimeter guys to play the kind of m2m that most teams finish .500 playing--hard nosed, in-their-jock defense without help from behind. But it can be done in a winning way. UCLA won a ring with no one bigger than 6'5" tall. But you need a lot of very athletic runts, at least one great one, and a couple future NBA players. I think this team can get it done short, and as the season wears on, and the big men start to play bigger, this team can become a serious threat.

~Be ready to watch some hideousness in sneakers as these guys find their collective way--their team identity.

~Watch Self do his greatest coaching job yet.

PSOUL 11 years, 2 months ago

anyone knows where you can stream the game online tonight? thank you!

dynamitehawk 11 years, 2 months ago

These guys have to learn killer instinct. They have to learn to spank teams from the tip. They have to know that up by 20 is not the time to coast. Hell no. They have to challenge themselves to be pulled by HCBS when we go up by 45. Rock Chalk Jayhawk should never be started with a starter on the floor. In fact, I want to see Keith's little bro draining threes with 10 mins left.

I want some great pictures too, Nick Krug! You're a freaking genious!

I will also buy three subscriptions to the LJW if Tommy Boy Keegan makes a chicken wing reference in his column tomorrow.

Longwoooooooooooood!!! Up to no goooood.

I want to savor this season, and watch this young team grow.

I want to beat Nebraska like we would any other big ten team.

I want to see Elijah bring heaven to Lawrence and do some sick through the legs $hit tonight!

I'm ready. Let's roll. Boom goes the dynamite!

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