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Kansas defeats Washburn, 92-62

  • 7 p.m., Nov. 2, 2010
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Wednesday, November 3, 2010

Slash and ’burn: Marcus Morris torches ’Bods

Kansas forward Markieff Morris (21) swipes at the ball as it's pulled down by Washburn forward De'Andre Washington (2) in the first half of the exhibition game, Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse. Also pictured are Washburn guard Nate Daniels (33) and Kansas guard Brady Morningstar (12).

Kansas forward Markieff Morris (21) swipes at the ball as it's pulled down by Washburn forward De'Andre Washington (2) in the first half of the exhibition game, Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse. Also pictured are Washburn guard Nate Daniels (33) and Kansas guard Brady Morningstar (12).

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Marcus Morris’ 28 points help KU to 92-62 exhibition win over Washburn

Marcus Morris posted 28 points and seven rebounds, leading the Kansas men's basketball team to a 92-62 victory over Washburn in its first exhibition game Tuesday night at Allen Fieldhouse.

Video Highlights KU-Washburn

Video highlights from the Jayhawks' 92-62 win over Washburn.

Marcus Morris didn’t approach Washburn University enforcer Virgil Philistin in a menacing way.

Instead, Morris, Kansas University’s junior forward who scored 28 points and grabbed seven rebounds in Tuesday’s 92-62 home exhibition victory over the Ichabods, matter-of-factly asked the 6-foot-3 senior what he was thinking when Philistin bear-hugged and intentionally fouled Morris on a breakaway dunk attempt late in the first half.

“I told the guy after he pulled me down, ‘You could have let me go.’ I was not upset. I was just like, ‘It’s an exhibition game. You could have let me do a little highlight,’’’ said Morris, who was backed by the Allen Fieldhouse fans who booed Philistin each time he touched the ball the rest of the game.

“He said, ‘Man, coach woulda ran us for the rest of our lives (if he let Morris slam).’ I understood because coach (Bill) Self probably would do the same thing.

“We’ve got the ‘no dunk rule’ here. We can’t let anybody dunk on us like that. They must have the no dunk rule, too.”

Because of the fact vicious dunks can change momentum in games, the Jayhawks are instructed not to allow the opposition to put down violent slams, especially on the road.

“Not to hurt anybody,” Morris said, “just to make sure they don’t dunk the ball.”

First-team preseason All-Big 12 pick Morris lived up to his hype Tuesday, hitting eight of 10 shots and 11 of 11 free throws in just 22 minutes. Had the game counted in the standings, he’d have surpassed his career high of 26 points against Lehigh in last year’s NCAA Tournament.

“I wish it was a real game so I could have had a career high,” said Morris, who credited his teammates for finding him in spots where he could score. KU had 21 assists against 12 turnovers. “My brother (Markieff, three assists, 12 points, eight rebounds) was passing it to me, Tyshawn (Taylor, three assists, 12 points), everybody.”

Morris drew praise from coach Bill Self.

“Marcus is versatile,” Self said of the 6-foot-9, 235-pounder. “He can play anywhere offensively. He’s going to get to where he can guard anybody defensively. He’s a talented kid. He has really worked hard. To me, it looks like the game is in slow-motion about as well as anybody that we’ve coached.”

Self was not as upbeat about a KU defense that allowed 23 field goals in 46 tries for 50 percent. KU hit 46.7 percent of its shots and just four of 19 threes.

“You can’t win shooting the ball like that, but looking at it from a philosophical standpoint, you can’t give up 50 percent shooting. That’s happened one time, maybe, in this building in the last three years, and our guys don’t get that yet,” Self said. “There was no pride defensively in the last 10 minutes. We’re going to get better. I thought we shared the ball. Obviously, Marcus (Morris) is talented. Getting Markieff healthy (coming off hernia surgery) and back out there is going to help us. Of course, we need Withey (Jeff, broken bone in his foot, still at least a week away) out there.

“One thing that was very, very evident to me is that Thomas (Robinson) and Mario (Little) are too little to play behind in the post. They (Bods) scored at will in the post. Either we need to get Withey out there or those guys need to defend better, or it’s going to be a hard time playing them as many minutes. Overall, we did some good things, but I wasn’t extremely happy because we didn’t guard.”

He wasn’t finished discussing the D.

“I was very disappointed in some of our defense, especially the second team when they came in late. That was poor, poor defense, and we have to get in better shape, too,” he said.

The Jayhawks did seem to make the extra pass on offense on a night 10 players scored.

“We’re pretty unselfish. We are not, yet, a good passing team. We take guys out of shots. We don’t lead guys into layups,” Self said. “Tonight, on two different plays, our point guard that was in the game gave the ball up in transition so that he could be the finisher. You can’t play that way. You can’t put the ball in Mario Little’s hand and say, ‘You go make the play.’ Those are the kinds of things that we can get better at. Right now, offensively we are not a really good passing team, but we had some great possessions. Our two best passers are obviously Markieff and Marcus. Those guys play big-to-big as well as anybody in the country probably will.”

The Jayhawks will meet Emporia State at 7 p.m. Tuesday in Allen Fieldhouse.

Comments

Michael Luby 3 years, 9 months ago

Yah, Im so glad the season is finally here. I recorded the game, i'll watch it again b4 the next one. RCJH!!

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kesmithstl1 3 years, 9 months ago

Your win by 2 points w/o free throw comment is misleading. Who knows how many of those possessions we would have scored on had Washburn not fouled.

And stop calling for the press already. It's a gimmick defense. You can have it as a weapon, but never as a primary defense. At times last night, it appeared we had at least worked on it in practice. There was a guy on the ball right away after a make. Didn't see that last year. I'm sure HCBS knows what he's doing.

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LAJayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Yep, MU and all those Final Fours they have......

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honk_for_hawks 3 years, 9 months ago

pressing the whole game is an underdog tactic, not a champion's tactic. underdogs press to spring upsets. champions break the press to win. underdogs press because they can't guard in the halfcourt sets. champions force shot clock violations. pressing is fine occasionally maybe to start a run or at the end of a game when we're down, but it is not something we should or need to be doing the whole game.

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loyal2thephog 3 years, 9 months ago

Noland Richardson, Arkansas, 1994. Not to mention that Arkansas went to 3 final fours in 6 years and played in back-to-back National championship games.

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dylans 3 years, 9 months ago

How about when we hung 150 on Kentucky, because they wouldn't stop pressing?!?! Really makes you want to press the ball all the time, doesn't it?

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KULA 3 years, 9 months ago

Of course, that was a Roy Williams team. Bill Self teams don't know how to run a fast break.

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F_N_Genius 3 years, 9 months ago

You must have been watching the KSU game. I thought we played pretty well for not knowing exactly what kind of product we were going to be putting on the floor this year. Room for improvement? Always. But you make it sound like we completely went out and fudged off. How many possessions did we defend clear down to the last few seconds of the shot clock? I know I caught myself several times counting down the shot clock under 5 seconds.

I'll say that for not having much preseason "hype" this year, not knowing what kind of product would be put on the floor, and for it being our first game, I must say that I was pleasantly suprised.

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sammyr2 3 years, 9 months ago

Your main argument for a press is that it works for f'in Missouri, so we should use it too?? Get a grip man.

I, for one, would not trade our National Championship for MU's elite eight and sweet sixteen from the last two years.

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kesmithstl1 3 years, 9 months ago

the whole idea of a press is to speed your opponent up, with the idea of them turning the ball over. Eventually, you will run into a team that has superior guard play, can break the press easily, and still has the ability to slow the game down. I give you KU vs. MU during the Mike Anderson era!

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MIZNIT 3 years, 9 months ago

Why bring up Mizzou? They don't play basketball. You press all game with Athletes. Not talented Basketball players.

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100 3 years, 9 months ago

When playing sluggish, should we have yanked the Cole Train & pressed Northern Iowa for twenty-seven minutes of that game?

That's the real question.

To me the answer is simple:

We had 12 players, 11 of them studly athletes without bronchitis.

They had 5 players total, worthy of writing home to mom about; their biggest player was a monster, who kept up well in a half court game.

What should we have done?

I think the answer is obvious.

Would it have been a gimmick?

He'll yes.

Should we use it all the time?

No way; it's a gimmick.

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 9 months ago

Arkansas also won a national championship with its '40 minutes of hell'. Course we shut that down pretty handily in 91. With the right personnel, it is hardly a gimmick.

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 9 months ago

Arkansas also won a national championship with its '40 minutes of hell'. Course we shut that down pretty handily in 91. With the right personnel, it is hardly a gimmick.

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Ed Brown 3 years, 9 months ago

..."looked more like 40 minutes of heck to me"

--Richard Scott

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100 3 years, 9 months ago

Very good point. I'll confess, "gimmick" was overused by me here. More precisely, it seems to be a gimmick for Self's teams (as in if they ever use it, it is not for long & not seen as a real basketball philosophy/strategy in KU basketball right now).

As for the full court press itself, it is a thing of beauty when done properly, but a solid team will eat it apart.

Full court pressing was invented right here in Lawrence by Dick Harp while under the tutelage of Phog Allen, used further by Adolph Rupp & perfected by John Wooden for ten titles.

But a solid "basketball team" doesn't need to rely on such shenanigans over the course of a season to be successful.

It's a high risk strategy. MU does OK at it, but what do they do when it's not working? They lose because the other team is getting easy buckets.

As for your overall analysis, I agree Self's defensive stats are phenomenal.

There are simply times as a coach, the pride must be swallowed against these plodding smaller schools, like the UNI's & Bucknells.

The tempo, as you so keenly observed, must be ramped up when our boys look asleep & the smaller schools with no bench our having their way.

The full court press (used once every 2 minutes) is one simple idea that gets the pulse going again. Or simply going full on for the first 10 minutes to get UNI's bigman worn down & fouled our for the last 30 minutes.

Tempo is all we're talking about. Doesn't have to be full court press. Just something to make those five player teams play faster than they want, because they have nobody on the bench and we do.

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kesmithstl1 3 years, 9 months ago

good points, however I still disagree about the "gimmick" label. In my opinion, it can make teams look better than they really are, which in essence is the definition of gimmick.

I do agree that full court pressure is a much better tool. That is much different than a press.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

Slayr and 100,

Forgive me, but IMHO you are both ovelooking some key points.

Immediately after the UNI game, I thought as you two did; that Self erred by not pressing and forcing tempo faster. But I now think that Self followed the correct strategy on tempo, and unavoidably got beat because his team just could not shoot the ball that night, and because they were untrained to play XTReme Muscle ball, or counter XTReme Muscle with XTReme Cheap Shotting.

Duke and Coach Consonants proved XTReme Cheap Shotting is an effective counter measure to XTReme Muscle.

And even without XTReme Muscle, or XTReme Cheap Shotting, KU only lost by one or two. Self played it any way they wanted, albeit without the XTReme Muscle, and so did not play into the jaws of XTReme Muscle by trying to run. Why that is playing into the jaws of XTReme Muscle I will explain a bit later.

Self gambled that one of his impact players would make a play at the end. It didn't happen, but it easily could have.

So: here are the two points I think you are overlooking in pressing a team like UNI.

  1. UNI played XTReme Muscle Ball on defense. XTReme Muscle ball played on defense denies most, if not all of your offensive athleticism, no matter what tempo one tries to set. Since even more athleticism is utilized in up tempo, even more athleticism is denied by XTReme Muscle Ball. Picking up tempo against XTReme Muscle Ball just gives the defense MORE advantage--more chances to deny your athleticism through uncalled fouling. Statistically, picking up tempo plays to the strength of XTReme muscle ball by giving it more events at which it holds advantage to exploit that advantage. Put another way, it is even harder to protect and score on the run against a team that is XTReme fouling you constantly than it is in a half court offense.

  2. UNI also used what I call a metronome offense. It is not so much a slow offense, as a highly regular offensive tempo--never faster, never slower--always set somewhat below the tempo at which the other teams athleticism can blossom, but not set to run out the clock in any traditional sense of slow-down. You can only occassionally speed up an experienced, well-coached team up that is coached to run a metronome offense, so you can have very few chances for runs and the few chances you get at runs are quickly aborted by XTReme fouling and reassertion of metronome tempo.

Regarding MU's use of the press, any team with the best players can win any time it plays well, while running a sound scheme. Pressing is not inherently doomed to fail, any more than any other kind of ball is, if it has the best players executing correctly.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

The problem I see with the MU press and run game is this: it tends to rely heavily on athleticism in transition and athleticism in transition is what XTReme Muscle ball holds most statistical advantage in defending.

The key to Wooden's pressing team's is that by playing a zone press, Wooden's teams always expended less energy pressing than opponents did breaking the press. There fore, as the game wore on, the energy budget always eventually favored UCLA. And Wooden tried to bias the advantage even further in UCLA's favor by striving to make his team the better conditioned team, staffed with players recruited in significant part because they did have better motors that other players. UCLA's players were nearly as much faster than other team's players. UCLA's players were more tireless than other team's players. Couple this tirelessness with a defense designed to make the opponent expend more energy breaking the press than UCLA players expended pressing, and one has a large part of the "secret" to UCLA's enduring success, regardless of the mix of players and talents in any given year.

I'm not saying UCLA could have won so many rings without so much superior talent. I'm saying all that superior talent was not enough to produce the ten rings in eleven years, or whatever it was. Phog, Rupp, Knight, Coach Consonants, Roy and Self have had runs of great talent for 4-5 seasons straight and have not been able to string together 5 of 5 rings, or even 4 of 5 rings.

The reason was Wooden's approach. It wasn't perfect. He "only" won 10 out of eleven. :-) But when you have equal or better talent, you condition it to the max, you drill it with all the skills and techniques it needs, you tailor sets to fit the talent, and you put it in a sound half court defensive schem and then scheme a full court press that skews energy expenditure in your teams favor every, you've got a recipe for near perfection every time you land talent that gives you match-up advantage at 3 of 5 positions.

This Wooden did, regardless of sugar daddies (all programs have had Sam Gilberts).

This no other coach before or since has done.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

At the limit, when all the best players and best schemes are utilized, and when the rules are being called, basketball reduces to an energy budget game.

But when the rules cease to be called, when XTReme Muscle Ball becomes the norm, as it does in every Madness now, even when has the best players, even when one has the most skilled players, the game reduces to force projection.

Anything a coach does that emphasizes athleticism in an age of force projection unconstrained by rules, will, at the limit, tend to put his team at a disadvantage...unless he too couples it with XTReme Muscle, and/or XTReme Cheap Shotting.

KU will win a lot of games with speed this season...from slower teams that do not resort to XTreme Muscle, or XTReme Cheap Shotting. Kentucky did exactly that last season with a club full of athletic draft choices.

But when the XTReme Muscle and XTReme Cheap Shotting starts in March, if KU has not either learned to XTReme Muscle, or XTReme Cheap Shot, speed and athleticism will collapse in the tide of fouling and cheap shotting.

I know you are both talking more generally than post season in your analyses, but all roads lead to the Madness.

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Lindsey Buscher 3 years, 9 months ago

tardbawls, No need to worry about guards once Selby becomes eligible.

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sammyr2 3 years, 9 months ago

We are not a pressing team. And I think I trust Coach Self a little more than I trust Coach Sobawls.

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Tuskin 3 years, 9 months ago

Some of you need to watch the 1988 championship game again. OU had a full-court press, and KU shredded it again and again. That press led to many easy baskets for us. Even OU's coach realized that it wasn't helping his cause, and he scrapped it.

A full-time, full-court press will make us look much better - when we're playing mediocre teams. But it will make us look much worse when we play good teams. We can surprise teams If we use a full-court press only a few times when it's not expected, or even more when it proves particularly effective.

Bill Self has it just about right.

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ParisHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't understand why a defense that John Wooden made famous should be called a gimmick. Maybe 40 minutes of whatever is a gimmick (like a knuckleball), but the full court press is an option (like a changeup). I hope we use it often, but unpredictably.

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 9 months ago

You made good points but let's not write off our outside scoring after our first exhibition. I think we have the potential to have a solid 3-pt shooting team.

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 9 months ago

This was addressed to soobawls earlier comment..sorry for misplacing it.

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Kye Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

If you have to go all the way back to the Arkansas team in 1994 to find a Championship squad that won pressing all game, it's pretty clear that is not a very successful formula for winning Championships. I'll do you one better, how many Final 4 teams have their been in the last decade that had that as their primary defense? As has been said, it's something to practice and have in the bag. And also has been pointed out, LMFAO at using Missouri's "success" as an argument for pressing!

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Jacobpaul81 3 years, 9 months ago

The only time you want to run a press is when you have guys who can go 40 minutes on defense. It gets teams in foul trouble if they can't run and it often hurts straight offensive sets as the team is not used to adjusting.

Missouri runs the press, but Missouri also struggles in Offensive sets. Look at the great 80s Oklahoma teams as they are the perfect example. Blaylock and Grace were insane in the press, playing 40 minutes a game and both had over 100 steals a season... but they also were easy to steal the ball from in Offensive sets because they were so darned tired and unaccustomed to an opponent slowing them down.

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Ashwin Rao 3 years, 9 months ago

I liked what I saw with speed... I was very impressed. I am not a coach, but I thought that our first team defended well against them... (not that they were as good as our future opponents). What I believe we need to improve on: 1) 3 point shooting 2) finishing (as coach pointed out, players seemed to be more interested in passing than scoring, especially during layups!) 3) controlling underneath the basket (Apart from Morris brothers) 4) point guard position... None of the folks who showed at that position up wowed me.

Marcus was obviously the best! I was not very impressed with Little & Morningstar (I thought they were better before yesterday). Robinson was good in spurts..

But I AM EXCITED!

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Theutus 3 years, 9 months ago

Little was stuck trying to play at the 4. It's not his position. It can't be easy to try and play a position that just isn't what you are (or should be) playing. Would you put Releford in the 4? They are the same size. Little just needs minutes at the 3, and he'll excel and give us a big boost on the boards.

As far as PG goes, i thought EJ did pretty well for his first game. He's obviously working through some jitters that EVERY player faces in their first game with decent minutes.... But the talent is there, and other than a couple of bonehead plays he had good handles... On top of that, he plays above the rim, which is what this team needs.

Taylor pretty much played the same way, only he's got a ton of experience and he doesn't really have an excuse for making the same mistakes.... His stroke does look better than last year though, which is a good thing.

Mark my words, when Selby comes in he's going to have the same few games of growing pains and little mistakes because I've yet to see anyone that hasn't.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with our team so far because it looks like Self truly is going to utilize our speed... And our team is moving the ball FAST. The passes will improve as far as when they are necessary or not, but the quickness with which we spot open players and get them the ball is already there.... And that's gotta be terrifying and draining on our opponents.

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REHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

My impressions: Terrific freethrow shooting. Miserable 3 pt. shooting. Scary post defense. Startling 50% field goal avearage allowed by Washburn. Fast, active Jayhawk effort; fewer turnovers than I had predicted. Very obvious sharing of the ball. Utilization of the entire roster.

Seems obvious that this team might need Withey in the lineup for at least 15-20 minutes. The sooner we see Josh, the better.

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kushaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Free throw shooting was spectacular. I agree, with Cole gone, KU is going to have to figure some things out on the post defense side of things.

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REHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

p.s. And the twins: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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KU_FanSince75 3 years, 9 months ago

Great that basketball is back at KU! I know HCBS said they were not a good passing team yet, but I thought the ball movement was very good and being unselfish was a big thing in the game. The defense definitely needs to improve but it will, especially when we get Withey back in the rotation.

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Steve Kubler 3 years, 9 months ago

I think the comment on not being a good passing team was not about the amount of passing, but the timing and accuracy of the passes. Many times instead of an easy layup or dunk by a big we had an awkward shot or a guard going to the hole.

I remember Reed being the finisher on one fast break and seeing him whacking his head after the play seemingly upset he had gotten the ball to Little? in a position where it had to be passed back to him for the shot.

A couple of other times players passed up a clear shot from 10 feet out to pass to a teammate and at least once that teammate was already moving into rebound position and was not able to handle the pass.

I am very pleased with the team speed and those passes will improve mark-ably by the season opener. HCBS will make sure of that!

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coolsportsdad 3 years, 9 months ago

Looked like a pretty typical first game for a team replacing 3 starters. No worries. Thought EJ showed moments that make fans wonder why he doesn't play more - and then would make one that made you say "oh, That's why he doesn't. " Hopefully just getting more experience.

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jebloom22 3 years, 9 months ago

I wish I could have watched this game. So relieved and excited to have the whole 2010-11 season ahead. This should be an exciting and entertaining year for KU basketball. ROCK CHALK!

Does anyone plan to stream the JayhawkTV and other Full-Court games this season?

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Steve Kubler 3 years, 9 months ago

I watched in on JustinTV it was a decent picture although my pathetic connection made the play somewhat spastic.

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Adam Bengtson 3 years, 9 months ago

Self was not lying about team speed.

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4jhawks4ku 3 years, 9 months ago

As usual on the first game jitters set in and they were moving way too fast. Looked like mop up time starting at the tip off, everyone trying to make their impression and get their chance(exception Morris twins and Taylor). Wooldridge looked really,really good and cant wait for Selby. This team is super fast. We will need Withey in there this year for shot blocking and rebounds. Washburn actually played a good zone defense doubling down and were quick to cover. It was hard to find the open man.

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kushaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Post Game Analysis and Notes:

-Even though it was brief I loved the EJ, Morningstar, Marcus, T-Rob, and Kieff lineup. Looked Fluid, smooth and downright nasty. I believe they scored on both possessions that lineup was in there. Only problem is that lineup could get our big's into foul trouble. Need Withey to get healthy.

-The ball handling looked a little shaky when Wasburn put on that Token full court press every now and then. I'm sure that will get corrected, but there was definitely some tentativeness there especially with EJ.

Marcus-Player of the Game-Looked like an All-American, Played like an All-American, and let the game come to him. He didn't have to force anything. What a pleasure it was to watch him last night.

Kieff-I'm glad that was only a cramp last night because I got very nervous for a second. Glad they were pushing his foot up to get rid of the cramp. Shot the ball great. KU is going to have to have some post play and my only fear is that he'll drift out to the perimeter. Other than that, Kieff played great. He'll get in better shape.

Reed-Loved the hustle! Didn't shoot great, but he'll be fine. Got beat by that Veasley (SP?) guy a couple times. Gotta work on that lateral movement.

Morningstar-I was impressed with his ball handling last night. Looked confident out there. He made a couple of bone head passes which was uncharecteristic but it is an exhibition after all.

Taylor-I was most impressed with Tyshawn Taylor last night. He didn't have many highlights, but he let the game come to him and he allowed others to find their groove and rhythm over the course of the game. He loves going right, everybody knows that, so I hope he works on going to his left a little more. No antics, no complaining, just playin ball out there. Love it!

EJ-I think EJ's biggest problem is confidence. I think he's got so much going on in his head that he's not playing ball. He just needs to have fun and quit worrying about how much he changed his shot over the summer. His handles looked a little shaky in the first half, but he came around and looked a little more comfortable in the second half.

Oh, the one thing I did think EJ did really well last night was coming off screens and planting 1....2.. for the jumpers. Even though they didn't go in it looked very smooth out there.

Little-I hate the fact he's playing out of position. He just doesn't look comfortable at the 4 spot. Not sure what to do with Little. I just hate to see guys playing out of position. It's awkward and just doesn't look good out there. Sombody from the opposition I think will exploit this.

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Jayhawker413 3 years, 9 months ago

Reed wont improve lateral movement... thats been his problem since the day he got here... ya he may be the workout king and everyones favorite kansas bred boy through and through but he will consistently be burned by superior athletes

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kushaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Releford-Kind of the same syndrome as Little. Rusty, not in game shape (Understandably so) and didn't look completely comfortable out there. I know he's really concentrating on the offense and getting everybody else involved, but hopefully his instincts take over and we'll see him slashing and slicing to the rack and hitting pull up 15 to 16 footers. Took that one 3 pointer after 1 pass and I'm sure that's not what Self wanted.

T-Rob-He's a beast and defensively he's going to get his rebound. I loved the pick and roll dunk with EJ. T-Rob did a great job passing out of the double teams so that was very encouraging. He needs Marcus to show him the turn and face game on the half block and block. T-Rob rushes his post moves but he'll be fine.

Rolls Royce-You know, for only 7 minutes of action Royce looked very good out there. He had that nice little lefty floater. He could teach Taylor how to do that. He looked good on defense and he got to the rack. I guess the only question mark is whether or not he can shoot, but the brief moments I saw he looked explosive and is able to do some things that Reed and Morningstar struggle with.

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4jhawks4ku 3 years, 9 months ago

As usual on the first game jitters set in and they were moving way too fast. Looked like mop up time starting at the tip off, everyone trying to make their impression and get their chance(exception Morris twins and Taylor). Wooldridge looked really,really good and cant wait for Selby. This team is super fast. We will need Withey in there this year for shot blocking and rebounds. Washburn actually played a good zone defense doubling down and were quick to cover. It was hard to find the open man.

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Ron Franklin 3 years, 9 months ago

I love this season!! We've waited a long 7 months to get back here!

My thoughts: Marcus is a beast...as expected. I'm confident Kief made the strides that Marcus did over last off season. He will be as good, if not better, than Marcus was this time last year. Hopefully both of them can hit around 36-38% from behind the arc....that is a matchup nightmare.

I was most impresed with TRob. It looks like his footwork has gotten a lot better.
Least impressed with EJ. But as Theutus points out...he did look jittery. His shot does not look smooth at all. He is quick and can jump. But he really is going to have to work on his handles and passing if he wants to see many minutes. I think Selby, Taylor, Reed, Morningstar & Royce should see the court before EJ does......solely based on last night...Of course some players get better over the year. EJ does deserve this time though in these first few games to get comfortable with the pace of the game.....it still looks like he's in fast-forward mode.

I think EJ should red shirt over Royce. Royce has a sweeter stroke and seems to be more comfortable playing at D1 pace than EJ does.

I think there are some serious problems without a true big. Hopefully Withey will come through, but we cannot count on that. Right now our best 5's are Kief and Cus. And they are too small to play against real big....though their quickness may offset this. In a close game though, when shots are not falling, I don't think we have what it takes to work the high/low quite yet.

Here's how I'd like to see it moving forward until Selby is eligible and proves himself.

Tyshawn, Reed, Brady, Royce, EJ handle the 1-2 interchangeably.

Little/Releford/Brady (again) will share duty at the 3. I was impressed with TRel's d last night, and his slashing....but I think we may need Mario's offensive prowness and rebounding a little more as a starter.

Marcus/TRob at the 4. I think were all gonna be huge TRob fans by the end of his time here.

Kief/Withey at the 5. Defensively, I think this will be the weakest spot on the court for the hawks.

I loved seeing the above-the-rim-ally-oop-style, runnin-and-gunnin that we saw last night. That oop to Marcus early in the first half reminded me of Chalmers to Arther, etc from 2008.

Rock Chalk.

PS-after watching both KSU and KU last nght....I think KU is the better team...at least at this point.

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kushaw 3 years, 9 months ago

Hard to tell from an exhibition game, but K-State was down 27-23 to Newman in the first half. Who knows until they play, right?

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Ron Franklin 3 years, 9 months ago

yep. you are right.

It looked to me like Newman U was coached better and competed against KSU like they knew they could. Whereas Washburn has taken the beat down from KU so many times the just roll through the motions and didn't play with much confidence.

KSU looked sloppy and slow to me (although I did pay closer attention to KU game so I could be mistaken)

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Jared Grillot 3 years, 9 months ago

Well, to get a better look, KSUck plays Washburn on Sunday. Let's just wait and see.

BTW, they did pretty much wipe up Newman, but as for the scoring they needed, Pullen and Judge combined for about the same # of points as Marcus scored (Pullen 15, Judge 14, McMorris 28), with no one else in double digits. Against Newman. Maybe it's just me, but that isn't gonna cut it. Again, let's watch and see what happens on Sunday.

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stravinsky 3 years, 9 months ago

"I think EJ should red shirt over Royce. Royce has a sweeter stroke and seems to be more comfortable playing at D1 pace than EJ does."

Too late... since EJ isn't a new frosh, he can't redshirt after playing exhibition, while Royce still could. (If I remember my Self comments correctly)

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kesmithstl1 3 years, 9 months ago

I have to admit, I was flipping back and forth the second half between the K-State/Newman game and KU/Washburn. I have to say, while K-State looked ok (free throw shooting aside) the only thing they may be better than us at is rebounding. They are longer than us, but we are by far faster!!! Rock Chalk!!

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hawksfan08 3 years, 9 months ago

Self's comment on Little not being able to guard the 4 irked me. That's because Little isn't a 4! In the first half, with the morris' out there, little at the 3 with reed and tyshawn we went on something like a 10-0 run which included a great oop from little to markieff. Little at the 4 can only work when marcus plays the three. The defense will matchup with their 4 on marcus playing the 3 and their 3 on Little at the 4 which lets marcus use his matchup advantage outside and little use his matchup advantage inside. But to say Little is a true 4 who can guard 6-8/9 people in the post is insane.

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oldalum 3 years, 9 months ago

We seem to have interpreted Self's comments differently. I thought he was basically saying the same thing you did--that Little was not big enough to play that position. I didn't think it was a criticism. It was something Self tried and saw that obviously it wasn't going to work.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

hawksfan08,

You make all the relevant points about Mario but one. Mario Little has never been mentally toughened by Self, because Little never really played D1 healthy. Self understands Little has a bit of a victim complex right now and understands that Little has never really been ridden hard by Self. The year Little played he had to keep puffing Little up all the time to nurse him through the injuries and try to squeeze at least some production out of him for a team making a surprise run.

Hence, Little has not had the mental toughening that Self ordinarily gives his cornerstone guys sooner or later.

Mario Little is about to find out what Tyshawn found out last season, what Cole found out the season before, and what Chalmers found out a season or two before that. Key players get the dog house treatment from time to time to toughen them and to drive the team further together.

The Self dog house is about the size of Naismith court, plus the end of the bench, and one's stay in it is of indeterminate length. It is full of button pushing, threats at PT, and the endless challenges from a coach who will not be pleased until the player is sufficiently toughened.

Mario is the oldest, most important, untoughened player on the team. He's about to get a hell of a dose of toughening and very early, because Self probably rightly believes a team with a toughened Little and an AAMM (All American Marcus Morris) operating together, the team woud have a critical assembly in a team's strategy to be the best it can be.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

Self also knows Little has never really done it on the floor and Self wants to know ASAP, if Little can do it.

Little is an OAD of the old fashioned kind--a senior. He has to be able to fish now, or Self has to cut bait with him. There is a short development horizon with Mario Little. It is unfortunate, but it is hard reality. And Bill Self is a hard man, when it comes to making PT decisions.

I suspect Little will survive, but the toughening Mario is in for over the next month, or two, assuming Mario keeps earning his minutes, is going to be "Full Metal Jacket" grade stuff.

Sergeant Self: "Private Tiny, you just guarded a Division II post man only an inch taller than you and he backed you around the blocks like you were a U Haul trailer. If Private Tiny wants to cry toilet tears about having to play out of position, well, then how would Private Tiny like to cry those toilet tears on a plywood thunder jug that Sergeant Self may have conrtructed at the ass end of the bench just for Private Tiny's convenience. Do you hear me, Private Tiny?"

Private Little: "The private hears the sergeant loud and clear."

(The Sergeant sniffs the air and looks repulsed. The Sergeant leans close to the Private and sniffs. His face corkscrews. The Sergeant takes a step backwards ands stands erect in shock. )

Sergeant Self: Platoon! Private Tiny here smells like human excreta. I know. I have smelled the smell of human exreta after exhibition games more than a few times in this man's basketball corp. Private Tiny, here, smells exactly like business end of an un-hygenic Division II post man! (Sergeant turns back to Private.) Private Tiny! Why do you smell like human excreta?

Private Little: The private doesn't know, sir.

(The sergeant, turning red faced with fury, steps forward, until his face is only inches from the Private's face.)

Sergeant Self: Private Tiny, you smell like human excreta because you allowed a short, Division II, post man with a fat, un-hygenic arse rub that fat, un-hygenic arse all over you during your precious minutes on Naismith Court last night. Do you read me, Private?

Private Little: The private reads the sergeant!

Sergeant Self: Private, if there is one thing I hate it is a private who lacks sufficient pride in his defense to keep the fat, un-hygenic arse of a Division II post man off from him. And do you know what else, Private?

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

Private Little: The private does not know what else, but believes the Sergeant does know and will tell the Private shortly.

(Turning to the platoon.)

Platoon! I believe the smell of human excreta from the fat, un-hygenic arse of a Division II post man has not only rubbed off on Private Tiny here, who, to the eternal shame of all things basketball, let himself be backed around the blocks of our beloved, venerated Naismith court, like a rental trailer full of sphincter fillets. I do believe that nauseating smell has rubbed off on the rest of you feces4brains, too.

(Sergeant Self marches the length of the team standing in formation, pausing and sniffing each player and being repelled each time. At the end, he turns back to the formation.)

Platoon! The stench of Private Tiny's defense, or lack thereof, has rubbed off on the entire lot of you, probably when you were consoling Private Tiny, like a bunch of Oprah's holding Private Tiny's stinking hand after that disgraceful performance of his. I cannot stand this odor one second longer.

(The Sergeant signals Corporals Dooley and Manning to distribute toilet bowl scrub brushes and bars of soap. )

Now listen up you incredibly poor excuses for defensive human beings. Post defense is not an optional course in this man's basketball corps given only to true bigs guarding like women...like Private Pretty there (pointing at Thomas Robinson). Any player can be posted up by any other player at any time. Post defense is core curriculum at the University of Kansas. If the sergeant says guard a hungry grizzly bear on the blocks, the private will forcibly, aggressively and with extreme prejudice, if necessary, guard the hungry grizzly bear and not merely go through the motions of hanging on his smelly arse. The private will, without orders to do so, tear the arse out of the hungry grizzly bear with one hand, while also properly shouldering and fronting the hungry grizzly bear with his other arm thusly!

(The sergeant demonstrates shouldering, pushing, punching, stepping on the feet, and pulling the shorts of Corporal Dooley, while keeping a shielding arm in front of Corporal Dooley, then turns to the platoon.)

The platoon will now run from Allen Field House to Potter's Lake without interruption. The platoon will then divide up into pairs and enter the foetid, shallow pond, disregarding the autumn temperatures and any civilian rubber necks in the vicinity, will walk directly in till waist deep. The pairs will then take turns soaping and scrubbing each other until the gut cramping stench of human excreta from the fat arse of a Division II post man is forthwith extinguished. Once cleansed clean and sweet as the potted Daisies of the Sergeant's wife, the platoon will return to Allen Field House on the double, shower, find dry practice uniforms, and begin the long hard process of getting better at defense. Dismissed!

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AlwaysAFan 3 years, 9 months ago

Any thoughts on the video introduction? I thought is was a joke.

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Tony Bandle 3 years, 9 months ago

Oh for Goodness sakes, did they change the old one!!?? That one was classic and eternal!!! Pump up the volume to about 130 dbs and away we go!!!!!

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100 3 years, 9 months ago

Please don't say they changed the intro. Maybe it's just a trial during the exhibitions while the video guys are perfecting another epic one for this year?

Only rule for KU intro video:

Mt Olympus must quiver.

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pjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Oh, good lord it was awful! It was a complete overhaul. The new video was short and choppy with lame music. They stripped out most of the historical black and white stuff that made it cool and original. They must revert back to last year's version!

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Brian Powell 3 years, 9 months ago

EJ was one player I wish I saw more of last year... but judging from the box score, he didn't have a good game :( Hopefully he still gets minutes and can get into a flow;

Our 3pt against Wasburn should've been a lot better than 4-19 or whatever it was. I know we're better than that!

FT% was great though :) Suck it, Memphis.

Not as worried about the post. Hope TRob can keep the fouls under control and if we get Withey added, we should be OK. Whatever we give up down there we can more than make up with guard D and just plain outrunning/outscoring them.

Can't wait to see some games over here in Indiana! :)

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PickleFuzz 3 years, 9 months ago

I have Dish Network, turned it on @7 and got nova then frontline on 62! Did anyone else have that problem?

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REHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Jayhawk D, you had best pray that yer coach does not read these posts. Otherwise, halfway into this afternoon's two hour practice, you might learn the pom-pom girls' shuffle, standing waistdeep in the foetid waters of Potter's Lake!

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

"Thoughts After the Kind of Exhibition Game that Makes Me Want Hair of the Dog for Breakfast"

(Author's note: This was only a first exhibition game, so it sets nothing in stone and obviously the team will get much, much better. This looked like a team learning a new scheme and trying to do exactly the things that have been emphasized in practice so far, and not really doing the other things they ought to be pretty good at (like defense) well at all. The emphasis has apparently been on how to get Marcus the ball in scoring position. They did that well. They passed quickly and crisply to him. The rest of the offensive game was pretty so-so, but shooting 21% from trey makes any offense look so-so...just ask last year's team after shooting nearly that vs. UNI. Defensive focus apparently comes this week in practice. The above being said, here follows some grousing with the gloves off.)

~Marcus played efficiently and that is crucial to sustain, if Self is going to play through him this much for very long. Marcus may be the first Jayhawk in a long, long time to average 25 points a game, unless Selby, or Withey become offensive weapons.

~Self's comments about Selby starting to get fewer first team reps in practice makes me wonder if Self has decided Selby may either not play till second semester, or not this entire season. Since Selby is academically eligible, it means the investigation into his amateur status must be complicated in deed.

~Tyshawn, Marcus and Kieff are the only three that fulfilled their roles.

~Playing Kieff so many minutes is great if he's healed. But his foot/leg problem betrays he may not be. I'm not worried about him re-injuring the hernia problem nearly as much as him developing a different injury through compensatiing for the hernia injury and operation. Players compensating for one injury often wind up with another injury elsewhere.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

~Tyshawn has to prove his ball handling against a good and physical defender, before I'm trusting him in that role, but he protected well. And he probably would have had a bushel of assists had the 3pt shooters been able to hit Watson Library from inside the freaking stacks.

~Mario Little is a 3 without a trifecta (unacceptable), or a 4 without the weight and height (unacceptable). Self has a problem on his hands. He's praying for Withey to come back, and let Little be situational substitute at the 3 for defense (10 mpg) and at the 4 to play 3-4/4-3 switch with Marcus (10mpg), or for Little to grow a trey and play 30mpg. It looks like Self doubts the trey. Which'll it be, Mario? Its up to you...and Withey.

~The Prophet probably played better in last season's exhibition games than against Washburn this season. I had hopes for a break out by the Prophet. Not. But I still like his new size with the ball.

~Though Brady played "okay", he was tepid for a senior corner stone. Three TOs and uninspired offense and defense. If he keeps this up, we're hurtin' for certain. Though most don't think so, we need him to have a great senior year. With Marcus as the single impact player, the rest of the team has to take glue to the next level, and Brady ought to be the one leading them, not playing tepidly.

~Tyrel did not show the next step up. He's going to have to do so, or remain a sub, even without Selby. It is not easy, when Self is asking only for glue and treys, but he has to make more impact, when he can't pot the triceratop.

~Travis definitely did not show the next step up. I had hopes for a break out by Travis, too. But instead of a Cistine Chapel ceiling, he shows a Frank Lloyd Wright ceiling. If Travis hasn't matured and developed, after a red shirt season playing against the likes of X, Little and Brady, this may be a cortical constraint.

~Though muscle bound, Thomas Robinson still seems on track to become effective 15 minute sub in late January, or early February; not a starter, but effective, even though his post D remains suspect.

~Withey has to return and play 15 mpg for this team to be able to handle good teams. And he's going to be needed not just to guard, but to take the dish from the double teamed Marcus and finish with it.

~Royce gets a longer look next game. Guys who can do it are not yet in sufficient supply to red shirt him. Royce scores. Judging from Travis, EJ, Tyrel and Brady, perimeter scoring is in short supply.

~For this team to get 27 wins, Marcus probably has to have several 30 point games. If board rats thought Self played through Sherron too much, they ain't seen nuttin' yet.

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jaybate 3 years, 9 months ago

Post Script:

Self might as well get Marcus Morris a back pack big enough to fit the team into.

Marcus is about to experience the triple team.

It would be insane for any team not to double and triple Marcus effective immediately and force KU's other players to try to win a game. Presently, Kieff seems the only one capable of putting up the kind of points necessary to off-set Marcus being triple teamed.

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100 3 years, 9 months ago

Royce has such a smooth shot.

The key in next week's game for him will watching how he performs within the offensive flow & also if his D is lockdown, because in my experience coaching players with a smooth agressive shot like that, it's going down, but his D better not lag off just because he's able to score at will.

From what I've seen of his tape, he's a major winner & takes great pride in getting back on D to win state titles. Is it good enough for the bigtime yet?

That's probably the biggest question right now.

He understands the physics of why, while others at a local Rec center tend to keep jacking it up, hoping more shots, shot incorrectly, will help their shot in the longrun; he has hands down the best midrange shot on the team. His hand-eye body kinetics are outstanding.

Said another way.... He hits his shots & we don't have to wait necessarily until the 2011 season to see him go into his daily soft touch swish zone.

It's second nature to Royce at this point.

I agree I think he is the biggest question mark, because we certainly gain a scorer with him.

But is his D as good as Releford for instance?

And is Releford's offensive game still hiding from us?

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REHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, Royce displayed lotsa eary promise last night. A more extended look next Tuesday might certainly be in the works for him. I bow to GilbertAZ who declared from the getgo that Royce would prove his mettle right out of the chute. Obviously, the coaching staff will give him much closer inspection before possibly offering a red shirt. Our 3 pt. shooting was so pitiful that Royce might find an avenue for valuable minutes this season...if he can shoot as forcast. He appears to have put his brights to work prior to the Washburn game. Looked prepared and steady.

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100 3 years, 9 months ago

Are we Baylor or are we Kansas???? Bring back last year's pregame video & music! Everyone send a quick email to these important Kansas basketball employees, they need fan feedback to make a change:

bhinson@ku.edu">p>bhinson@ku.edu --- Barry Hinson, Director of Men's basketball operations jefferso@ku.edu">p>jefferso@ku.edu -- Jeff Forbes, video coordinator kellerk@ku.edu">p>kellerk@ku.edu --- Kyle Keller, video coordinator thoffman@ku.edu">p>thoffman@ku.edu --- Tami Hoffman, secretary in Men's basketball office
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hawksince51 3 years, 9 months ago

This quote baffled me:

“One thing that was very, very evident to me is that Thomas (Robinson) and Mario (Little) are too little to play behind in the post."

IMHO it is obvious that Mario is too small to play the 5 effectively. Even though he played it 2 years ago, he is undersized at the 4. I fully expected him to play the 3 this year and maybe be the starter. T-Rob is a natural, but somewhat unproven, 4 but should have enough size and athletic ability to fill in at the 5 in a pinch. Hopefully between Kief, Withey, and even Marcus, we will always have better options at the 5.

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Kye Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

speaking of quotes that baffled me, Greg Gurley saying this is Tyshawn's team...ugh. First of all, I think we saw last year when the team "belonged" to Sherron that it is not a recipe for consistent success. This needs to be everyone's team. Everyone needs to be accountable, no more of this "I'm the leader, it's my fault I didn't have the guys ready to play" nonsense we heard from Sherron a couple of times last year. And secondly, if you HAVE to have a leader, I would think and hope that it's Marcus.

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Greg Lux 3 years, 9 months ago

I believe we will be a strong pressing team by league time. Right now we are just playing to many different people at to many spots to have a consistent pressing team. When we get down to 8 or 9 rotation then I think you will see us press effectively, even full court. Great start Hawks. Fun to watch .. Disappointed with Releford and T-Rob right now but hopefully they will come around quickly... I expected a lot more movement out of Releford he just seems to be a spectator outside the 3 point line most of the night... He needs to use his speed and driving ability to open the defense like Rush did in 08.

Rock Chalk

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BAGGINZ 3 years, 9 months ago

You would think that on the KU website they would use a picture of the right twin next to their head line.

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