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Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Woodling

Aldrich: Collison or Big O?

Kansas center Cole Aldrich blocks Oklahoma forward Ryan Wright's shot during the first half, Monday, Feb. 22, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas center Cole Aldrich blocks Oklahoma forward Ryan Wright's shot during the first half, Monday, Feb. 22, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Is Cole Aldrich more like Nick Collison? Or is Aldrich another Greg Ostertag?

Aldrich, who announced Monday he would turn pro with one year of college eligibility remaining, is projected in more than one mock NBA Draft as a lottery pick.

In other words, the 6-foot-11 former Kansas University standout will be making a seven-figure salary for at least the next three years, and probably longer.

Aldrich rebounds like Collison, blocks shots like Ostertag and shares the limited offensive skills of both. Aldrich has a nice hook shot, yet, like most big men, doesn’t really shoot well facing the basket.

But that’s typical. Big men have always been taller than their contemporaries, so they’ve been able to dunk or convert an easy stick-back. Why work on a mid-range jump shot when you don’t need it?

Ostertag, who was listed at 7-2 but was probably closer to an even 7-feet, could dunk, of course, but that was about it. He had no jump shot. His free throws were almost line-drives.

Ostertag was not a lottery pick. In the 1995 NBA Draft, he was the 28th player chosen in the first round.

In truth, he was chosen that high only because of his height and his gargantuan 8-foot, 1-inch wingspan. Aldrich’s wingspan is 7-4. Collison, who stands 6-9, stretches 7-1 1⁄2 in that category.

Ostertag is living proof you don’t necessarily need to possess offensive skills to succeed in the NBA. The Big O was lucky he played for a Utah Jazz team that had Karl Malone and John Stockton and could afford to have a nonscoring shot-blocker in the middle.

After the Jazz gifted him with a six-year contract worth $30 million, many league pundits ridiculed Ostertag for being the most overpaid player in the NBA. He may have been, but if he was crying about it, he wiped his tears on his ATM receipts.

Ostertag lasted 11 years in the NBA and earned millions of dollars. If Aldrich lands in the right situation and stays healthy, he’ll make millions, too.

The other day I saw one Web site that listed Collison as one of the 10 most overpaid players currently in the NBA. A reserve with the Oklahoma City Thunder, Collison is making $6.25 million this year and will earn $6.75 million next season before becoming a free agent.

Collison was a terrific college player, a first-team All-American, but he lacks the strength and quickness to compete with the freakishly talented front-liners in the NBA. In certain match-ups, Collison can be effective, but he is clearly a role player.

Will Aldrich wind up as a role player, too? Perhaps. Collison was the 12th player selected in the 2003 NBA Draft, and that’s about where Aldrich is projected to go this summer.

However, at two inches taller than Collison and with a wider wingspan, Aldrich has the potential to leave a larger pro footprint than either of the recent Jayhawks most comparable to him.

To do that, Aldrich will need to become stronger and adopt a more aggressive persona. The latter will be more difficult than the former. Regardless, though, the big guy from Bloomington, Minn., is a millionaire walking.

Comments

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

I've been racking my brain to figure out what type of player Aldrich is going to be in the NBA. Comparisons to Collison and Ostertag I can understand, but I think Aldrich would like to go in other directions than being compared to those two Jayhawks. Who does Aldrich remind of you? I am just going to list a number of players in no particular order that may or may not remind you of Aldrich.

Ostertag: He did have an 11 year NBA career and was drafted purely for a defensive purpose. Aldrich possesses those same defensive intangibles, but I think Aldrich will have a better career and is a better shot blocker. Aldrich will have to carve out his niche

Kevin Love: I don't think Aldrich is anything like Love and Collison is more of a Love type than Aldrich. If you could take Love's offensive fundamentals and put them into Cole Aldrich, that would be one heck of a big man.

Will Perdue: Had a 13 year career. He was also on teams to take up space, but Perdue was had pretty good basketball IQ and found himself a pretty good niche by doing a lot of pick and rolls on the preimeter for Jordan and Company. If Aldrich doesn't have to be the "Focus" on an NBA team he's going to play a long time in the league.

Brad Miller: He is the complete opposite of Miller and there isn't much similarity between Miller and Aldrich. Miller doesn't block a lot of shots and takes most of his shots from the perimeter.

Chris Kaman: Kaman has better offensive moves and if Aldrich gets in the gym and works on his post moves I think Kaman is the player Aldrich could be the most like. Kaman also blocks about 3 per game so Kaman does a lot on the defensive end like Aldrich could do potentiall Kaman is a little more athletic than Aldrich and gets up and down the court a lot easier Aldrich, but Aldrich has the potential to get there.

Denver Nugget Birdman: I don't even know this guys name except everybody calls him the "Birdman". All the Birdman does is play defense and provide "Energy" off the bench for the nuggets and I love watching him play. If Aldrich can find it in his personality to do something similar as the Birdman on defense, Aldrich could carve a pretty good niche for himself in the NBA.

David Lee: Athletic big man for New York have a great individual year. I don't see any comparisons between Aldrich and Lee.

Jeff Foster: He's always been a glue guy, but takes a lot of perimeter shots these days. Probably more of a power forward than a center. I don't see much comparison between Aldrich and Foster except Aldrich could come off the bench for some team and provide valuable minutes like Foster did for a lot of his career.

Other possibilities and I think Aldrich can be better than any of these guys: Michael Doleac, Aaron Gray, Spencer Hawes, Chris Mihm, Joel Przybilla, Robert Swift

Let's hope Aldrich doesn't have an Eric Montross career

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Dear Chuck,

Cole will "...become stronger and adopt a more aggressive persona."

Alas, you are stuck being from Missouri forever.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

Maxhawk: Completely disagree with you about Aldrich going pro. He isn't going to regret anything. His 3 year internship has paid dividends and now he's going to get a 3 year multi-million dollar "Guranteed" contract.

He will turn that 3 year contract into a 6 or 7 year deal after that and he will be in the league for 10-13 years. It was his time go! Good Luck Cole! You made the right decision by leaving.

arizonahawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Aldrich is similar to another KU big man - Raef Lafrentz. Sure, he blocks shots like Ostertag and rebounds like Collison. I'm pretty sure that that Cole and Raef share a deeper bond - the value of an education. If I remember correctly, Raef was Pre Med and Cole was just awarded Academic All American.

Jeff Schartz 9 years, 3 months ago

Good luck, Cole! Come back and see us sometime!

yates33333 9 years, 3 months ago

njjayhawk. If he plays like he did this year you are correct. If he is the 12th pick this is evidence that this years crop wasn't very good.

If he plays like last year he will last 10 or 12 years in the pros. If this happens we will always wonder what went wrong this year. I can't belileve we know all about his health.

He seems like a great kid with a father that plays a very large role in his life, too large perhaps.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 3 months ago

I think Cole will have a career similar to that of Scott Pollard (without the crazyness). A journeyman, come off the bench, be a role player for a few minutes. He won't be a starter in the NBA but he will get paid for about 10 years before hanging it up.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Woodling refers to both as having "limited offensive skills." I suppose that could be argued in regards to their NBA careers, but as collegians comparing Cole Aldrich to Nick Collison is laughable. Collison scored 2,000 points at Kansas and averaged something in the area of 19 points per game his senior year. Cole and the Big O couldn't have dreamed of such offensive prowess!

Joel Hood 9 years, 3 months ago

jayhawkintexas - great point. The better comparison is Scot Pollard, except Cole is a bigger version, but probably not as strong. But, he has lots of time to work on that.

I'm not sure I understand why some of you think Cole will be limited because of his offensive skills. He won't be drafted to score. NBA scoring almost exclusively goes thru the guards - with rare exceptions. NBA teams will want him to clog the lane for 15 - 20 minutes per night, slow down the opponents' penetration, set some screens, and rebound. He will do that quite effectively at the next level.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawkerjoel: The NBA defensive 3 second rule (Completely favors the offense) also means that Aldrich will be getting dunked on quite a bit as well.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

By the way, NBA defensive 3 second rule is the dumbest rule in sports. Why do you think our NBA'ers struggle so much in Olympic play?

WilburNether 9 years, 3 months ago

"Big men have always been taller than their contemporaries..."

Thank you, Mr. Woodling, for that profound bit of wisdom. I'm sure that not one of the LJW's readers had any inkling that this is the case. I'll write it down, and carry it with me forever.

justanotherfan 9 years, 3 months ago

kushaw,

Do you understand the defensive three seconds rule? Do you actually know what it is?

The NBA allows both man and zone. However, they do not allow a player (offensive or defensive) to just camp in the lane. So you have to be within arms length of an offensive player. If you are, you are legal and can be in the lane. If not, your count starts. So really, you just have to be guarding somebody to be in the lane. So unless you are standing around in the lane doing nothing for three seconds, you aren't illegal.

In truth, college needs to adopt the NBA halo rule around the basket. I don't know how many times I have seen players in the tournament take "charges" standing practically under the basket. It happened twice to Tyrel Reed in the UNI game. It happened a couple of times over the weekend in the Elite Eight games. It's gotten to the point I'm just fed up with collegiate officiating. Make people play defense instead of just camping under the basket and hoping the officials bail them out.

As for who Cole will be like - he's probably a defensive center on a team with a dominant perimeter scorer. He doesn't have any real go to moves offensively, so he probably won't ever be a double figure scorer in the NBA unless he is really active on the offensive glass. He's nowhere near as polished as Kevin Love offensively, so that's a reach. Ostertag isn't a bad comparison, honestly. Maybe a more highly skilled Ostertag. Better rebounder, more mobile than Ostertag.

Tim Bingaman 9 years, 3 months ago

The NBA is crazy from a talent perspective. So few spots, I agree with others that you really have to get lucky and find a niche. (with a couple of exceptions) Cole's weird, but effective free-throw shooting never let us down. (Collison killed us in many games at the line. '01 v. Self's Illini Sweet 16 game in San Antonio and the '03 title game. Great college player, but Unforgivable big game crumble!)

The best thing that can happen to Cole is to fall to a good/great team at the end of the first round.

Good luck Cole, you have been a pleasure to watch. That Final Four game against UNC in '08 was incredible!!!! One of the most fun 2 hours of my life!

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

justanotherfan: Yes, I understand the NBA 3 second rule "Perfectly". Thank you for being concerned. Again, it's the dumbest rule in sports. Why do you think the lane is always so unprotected?

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

1) UK has 2023 wins

Speaking of FT's 2) UNC has 2004 wins-picked up another NIT win by beating Rhode Island last night who missed 4 straight FT's down the stretch and was on the wrong end of a no trip call by UNC at the end of the game to seal a 1 point victory.

3) KU has 2003 wins

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

1) UK has 2023 wins

Speaking of FT's 2) UNC has 2004 wins-picked up another NIT win by beating Rhode Island last night who missed 4 straight FT's down the stretch and was on the wrong end of a no trip call by UNC at the end of the game to seal a 1 point victory.

3) KU has 2003 wins

Jeremy Wilhelm 9 years, 3 months ago

I think a lot of this depends on how much work Cole puts in to his body/strength training and improving his game. Now that he can focus on ball 24/7 he should be able to do that. I don't think he'll ever be a huge star or even a regular starter, but I think he can contribute if he puts in the work.

thefort 9 years, 3 months ago

I've never heard Collison described as having "limited offensive skills".

Jory Collins 9 years, 3 months ago

Cole will obviously be a role player in the NBA. A shot blocking/rebounder/defensive presence type player. If he scores it will be on put-backs and trash buckets. He couldn't score with his back to the basket this year, it isn't going to happen in the NBA. Somebody should go back and check Cole's FG% when he has to make a post move vs. opportunities set up by teammates. I bet he finishe at around 35% when forced to make a move and score over the top of another defender.

I'm glad he's going to the league and will get the opportunity to earn a big fat paycheck, he deserves it. But, he will be a 10 to 12 year banger/role player in the league.

MDHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

I'm happy for Cole, and wish him the best in the NBA. If he's a lottery pick (and he probably will be), he'll make quite a bit of money whether he has a long career or not. The nice thing about an education is that even if his NBA career is cut short for one reason or another, he's got a degree to fall back on. A pretty nice safety net, if you ask me...I could use a few million bucks to pay my student loans off, and start my life as a normal Joe.

The truth is that I'd rather watch dandelions grow than watch an NBA game. I've never enjoyed watching pros jockey for bigger paychecks, and college basketball is exponentially more exciting. So, I enjoyed watching you play, big guy. I'll check in to see how you're doing every once in a while (mainly to see what kind of facial hair you've grown), but most likely the UNI game is the last one I'll watch you play in. Good luck in the NBA! Hope to see you in the Fieldhouse every now and again!

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

"Some Signs the 2010 NCAA XTreme Basketball Tournament Is Rough:"

M.A.S.H units now set up behind each bench.

Brain cases of players increasingly reinforced with diamond re-bar.

The scratched cornea and detached retina are now fashion statements among players.

Most popular player tatoo now "Welcome to Gitmo."

Next most popular player tatoo: "I'm the Hercules of Hurt."

Jefffrey Dahmer being hotly recruited by Bob Huggins and Frank Martin.

Orthopedic surgeons beginning to see cases of spleens ruptured by human teeth.

Teams now go to "Hurt Lockers" at half time, instead of locker rooms.

Being nicked up now refers to cracked eye sockets and severe head traumas.

Bigs now being issued tasers for blocking out.

Coaches now allowed to make turnover prone players wear dog shock collars.

The head kick is now legal.

Players Up-armoring their own cups.

Lane cannabalism is now called once or twice a game.

Referees now carry emergency tourniquets.

Teams not only keep a physician on duty for games, but an undertaker, too.

(Note: This is all still fiction, I think. But for sure--no malice.)

KUhoopFaN 9 years, 3 months ago

Did anybody see Cole Aldrich get outplayed by Jordan Eglseder? Eglseder will not be a lottery pick, if he even gets selected. Does anybody remember Collison's 33 points and 19 rebounds against Duke in the Elite Eight in 2003? Did Cole ever have a huge game? Collison had many.

tis4tim 9 years, 3 months ago

One of the draft boards I saw had Cole going to Milwaukee with the number 12 pick. That could be a decent situation for him to contribute offensively as Andrew Bogut does a lot of scoring down low in their system. Plus, they've got a slasher like Brandon Jennings to draw defenders and get the ball inside.

Kurt Thomas (14 seasons) Primoz Brezec (8 seasons) and Dan Gadzuric (7 seasons) are the only other options at center. I think Cole brings more to the table than any of those backups, though Thomas is still a serviceable rebounder. He is not a true 5 at only 6'9" however. Gadzuric also made 7 million last season contributing a measly 2 points and 2 rebounds per night.

Kushaw, Chris Andersen is the Birdman.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 3 months ago

@Jaybate

what is the benefit to the NCAA for allowing this extreme basketball. why is it evolving to this, and who do you think would be 'responsible'.

Just curious to know your opinion, if you care to share it.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 3 months ago

tis4tim: I knew it was Chris something but didn't want to look it up. I love the Birdman!

kuhoopfan: That was during the Sweet 16 in 2003 against Duke when Hinrich laid an egg with 2 points. When Collison laid an egg with 8 points and 9 boards in the Elite 8 game against Zona, Hinrich came through with 28, 5 and 5. I guess that is why Hinrich and Collison go hand in hand.

EliHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

kushaw: One of the reason Hinrich had a big game was Zona collapsing down low on Collison let him get outside shots. The contrast with this year is interesting, yet sad. Hinrich certainly had as bad a game vs. Duke as Sherron vs UNI, but Collison was able to put the team on his back to survive and advance, and Hinrich got redemption vs Zona (and without that game, I don't think he goes to the Rafters). No one did that this year. So now, Collins will never have that chance.

John Sheehan 9 years, 3 months ago

Closer to Ostertag b/c of the shot blocking ability. But he's much more athletic and has more upside offensively.

Nowhere near the talent of Collison offensively.

I think Cole will play 10 years in the league as a starter / defensive sub off the bench.

Regardless - a Jayhawk great and a key component to our '08 NC, just b/c of the one game impact he had against UNC / Hansborough.

mandomax 9 years, 3 months ago

KUhoopFaN -

Cole definitely didn't have as many big games as Collison, and had fewer big games this year than last year, but I think we all remember his triple/double against Dayton last year. 13 points, 20 boards, 10 blocks. For a defensive minded 5, this is as big a game as you get.

hawksince51 9 years, 3 months ago

The Big O was unique and I don't see Cole being like him. O was fortunate to play with Karl Malone so he could be a huge D presence inside against the big centers and hardly ever touch the ball on offense. And, he was very overpaid which many NBA players are. Cole is no Collison, however, because C is bigger, slower and less of an offensive threat. I live in CO--Cole is no Birdman athletically but he may end up playing that kind of role. That is, limited minutes to spell a starting center and be a defensive and rebounding presence. However, he will not bring the energy to the floor and the crowd that Birdman does. As many have said, C will not be a starter, probably won't enjoy the NBA that much, but will be filthy rich. There is no reason for him to stay another year at KU when he is projected mid-first round in this year's draft and his family needs the money. IMHO, he could not improve on that by staying another year, and would run the risk of going lower next year.

hawksince51 9 years, 3 months ago

Blowjay--The NBA is not even basketball anymore. Dr. Naismith must be rolling over in his grave. NBA is more like wrestling in that it is a show for the fans. They allow traveling unless there are maybe 5 steps, palming the ball, and all kinds of fouling inside all in the interest of providing a show for the fans and stuff for the highlight reels. The college game has been evolving in that direction starting with the so-called jump stop, and all that drop step stuff around the basket which certainly would have been traveling in the 50's when I played H.S. ball. I would not call myself a basketball purist, but I rarely watch the NBA and hate to see the college game evolve in that direction for the sake of a better show for the fans. At least that cracked down on palming and some of the elbowing over the past few years in college ball.

Andy Hess 9 years, 3 months ago

between Ostertag and Collison, i'd say he's closer to Ostertag, but more athletic than Ostertag. Aldrich doesn't have the offensive game that Collison did.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Nick Collison, during college, was always described as the guy having all the post moves in the book. He was known as a very capable offensive option in college.

jhokfan 9 years, 3 months ago

Other than seeing KU players in the pros my interest in the NBA on a scale of 0 to 10 is a 1 at best. I don't know what kind of player Cole will be but I'm pretty sure he will have a lengthy career at the next level even if its as a backup. He paid his dues in college and I wish him the best.

murph 9 years, 3 months ago

You want a "big game" from Cole? I believe he has the ONLY triple-double with blocks in the history of KU Basketball. That's certainly "big" enough for me. The job he did on "player of the year" and Roy's darling Hansborough in the '08 Semifinal was even more fun to me - and should count at least as icing on the cake for any of you.

I think most of you are underestimating the impact he will have at the next level. He is smart, he is skilled, and he is willing to work hard.

Bottom line - Cole is a high-class individual who will do well in the NBA and will represent himself and KU admirably wherever he is. He has been a joy to watch, and although I hate to see him go I believe it's best for him. The uncertainty over the NBA pay scale after next year means it's much better for him to get in now.

tis4tim 9 years, 3 months ago

One of the big unknowns for Cole will be how his body can hold up over an 82-game NBA season year after year. Aside from his allergy issues and the odd tweak here or there, Cole has been fairly durable during his KU career. Playing twice as many games against tough, physical big men night in and night out can put undue strain on the body.

Joel Hood 9 years, 3 months ago

tis4tim - I actually think that Cole will last longer playing the NBA style. Although many more games, he will play far fewer minutes and the practices are less physically demanding. NBA guys play the game like a marathon until April, then it picks up. In fact, I'd argue that he would wear his body down much more by coming back for his senior year than going to the league. The bodies are bigger, but he would take a lot more shots in college.

kvskubball 9 years, 3 months ago

It looks like Cole doesn't have the quickness for the NBA game. If he does, and we just haven't seen it(maybe because he was the high post in the high-low in transition, he didn't show his sprint-ability?), then he could do better than most people think he will.

I think the pro he reminds me of the most would be Omeka Okafor. Pretty limited offensively (relative to other pro Centers), very strong defensively. I think he could develop into someone comparable to Marcus Camby or Kendrick Perkins.

ABeesus 9 years, 3 months ago

First stringers need good practice meat. Cole's defense will help someone in practice improve, and that's worth a lot of money.

ginger2015 9 years, 3 months ago

justanotherfan- It is my understanding that the NCAA has the "halo rule", sans the semicircle painted on the floor. Whether it is identical to the NBA rule is something that I don't know.

ralster- You are absolutely right, these women are no joke. I found it out several years ago when I was playing a pickup game in LA. They can be very physical and there is no backing down.

Tim Bingaman 9 years, 3 months ago

Ralster, totally agree that we have great bigs coming back. I think TRob is going to erupt.

On the Withey deal, it seems like we "quit recruiting" Orton when Withey agreed to leave AZ. Watching the 2 of them, I have to question if that was truly connected. We would have been crazy to take Withey over Orton.

In either case, Marcus and KEEF are gonna be on! I love this team. If X stays, I like it better than this year's team. No disrespect to Sherron, but he wasn't a "team on the back" player and was asked by HCBS to do that. If X stays, he can do that... we are gonna be amazing! Unfortunately, that is a huge IF...

Trey Hohman 9 years, 3 months ago

best case: Andrew Bogut worst case: Bill Walton as a member of the Celtics. most realistic case: Joel Przybilla 2.0.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 3 months ago

In a sort of ass backward way, the more Jayhawks in the Show, the better the program looks to this generation of 4 and 5 stars.

I'm not sure what the count is but adding three more names, whether they play or not is a significant recruiting tool. Can anyone give us an updated list of current NBA Hawks.

I am sorry, once they leave KU and become pros, I lose track of them because I refuse to waste my time watching NBA Basketball...Pro Wrestling with two hoops!!

tis4tim 9 years, 3 months ago

Oakville,

I hope I'm not forgetting someone.

Mario Chalmers - Heat Darrell Arthur - Grizzlies Kirk Hinrich - Bulls Nick Collison - Thunder Paul Pierce - Celtics Darnell Jackson - Bucks Drew Gooden - Mavericks Brandon Rush - Pacers Julian Wright - Hornets

Jacque Vaughn - Spurs (?) I'm not sure if he's still active or not.

superdave 9 years, 3 months ago

LaFrentz is still drawing a paycheck, as well.

superdave 9 years, 3 months ago

Cole will be Ostertag - (or Dreiling for you old timers, like me). He'll draw a check for 6-10 years IF he works hard to put on some muscle and set effective screens.

hawksince51 9 years, 3 months ago

ginger2015--The college "halo rule" is much smaller than the NBA. It is the size of the goal and as you say not painted on the floor. A start, I suppose, but pretty lame IMHO.

kvskubball--Also IMHO, Cole is nowhere near as athletic as Marcus Camby. Cole's bigger size and bulk might make him somewhat comparable to Camby on D, rebounding, and outlet passing, but not on O where Camby has always been at least an average threat.

Former_Jhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Draft Express lists Coles "worst case" comparison as Josh Boone formerly of UCONN, now with the Nets.

Personally he reminds me a bit of Brendan Haywood, maybe a bit of Erick Dampier.

KUhoopFaN 9 years, 3 months ago

kushaw:My bad, I just forgot that it was the sweet 16. Thanks for the correction.

Collison was and is a much better offensive player than Cole. I do agree Cole is probably a better defensive force being nearly 7 feet. Nick was 6-9 or 6-10 as a college player. I don't think Cole will be a star in the NBA. He is a good college defender being very tall. He is pretty slow though. A lot of NBA centers will run circles around him. What about X? Will he go pro? He would benefit immensely from another year. Although he would most likely be a lottery pick if he leaves

KUhoopFaN 9 years, 3 months ago

kushaw:My bad, I just forgot that it was the sweet 16. Thanks for the correction.

Collison was and is a much better offensive player than Cole. I do agree Cole is probably a better defensive force being nearly 7 feet. Nick was 6-9 or 6-10 as a college player. I don't think Cole will be a star in the NBA. He is a good college defender being very tall. He is pretty slow though. A lot of NBA centers will run circles around him. What about X? Will he go pro? He would benefit immensely from another year. Although he would most likely be a lottery pick if he leaves

justanotherfan 9 years, 3 months ago

ginger,

They do indeed have the rule, but without the semi-circle, it gets called all sorts of different ways. Some officials won't ever call a charge in that situation, others call it the same as they would in the middle of the floor, with no thought to whether or not the defender was under the basket. They need the semi-circle so officials have a reference point to call the plays.

trueblue9 9 years, 3 months ago

He's Hasheem Thabeet. I know this blows most of your minds because he's not white, but such comparisons are allowed. Cole will make some bucks, but I'd be willing to wager that he'll never start on a decent team, he just doesn't have any offensive skills. Collison was 10 times more offensively talented and look at him.

Kirk 9 years, 3 months ago

Cole's job is to take up space, period. Only a few guys can do it -- clog up the middle, make things harder on the other team's offense.

Sometimes he'll take up space in the middle, but most the time he'll take up space on the bench. He simply didn't develop the skills to do anything more.

Goldenhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

For some real old timers: I believe Cole will be the next Slow Mo "Paul Mokeski" in the NBA. I liked Cole alot, unfortunately he was out played by the UNI Irish Mauler and the 7' YMCA allstar.

Goldenhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

I forgot to add the YMCA Allstar and the Mauler have a combined leaping ability of 6". How will he manage in the NBA? Best of luck

jhawkpb23 9 years, 3 months ago

I'm not sure how well Cole will do in the NBA. He's a big man with some strong moves, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. If he can continue to improve in the areas of rebounding and shot-blocking, he could definitely have a lengthy career as a defensive specialist in the NBA.

KULongrtimer 9 years, 3 months ago

I have to agree with all that think Nick was better on offense coming out to the big show. I say show because it does somewhat resemble the Globetrotters most of the time. Hey, even gladiators of the old Roman era put on a good show!

As for Cole, his footwork is excellent. If he looks at game tape of Nick taking charges, his D will be complete. For O, he has a great turn around from either side, he just didn't see reason to use it much. My opinion is that HCBS had a game plan that didn't include Cole having to take control - this was the year of SC to improve his NBA stock.

Cole is faster end to end than anyone mentioned except Camby, and that is only when Camby is 100% healthy. I agree on the unusual FT technique. However, I would have Rick Berry instructing anyone on my roster who shot below 70% at the line -- I prefer results over style everytime.

If Cole goes to a team that plays the triangle offense similar to the Bulls in the 80's and 90's, he will be a force on offense. He already understands the in/out and pick & roll better than GO or NC, and he sets a mean pick - ask any of the Mizzou or Texas players.

I would like to see him go play with at the Clippers or Nuggets where they have the offensive bigs to compliment his strengths.

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