Kansas defeats Texas A&M, 79-66

  • 6 p.m., March 12, 2010
  • Sprint Center, Kansas City, MO

Originally published March 12, 2010 at 05:16p.m., updated March 12, 2010 at 10:13p.m.

FINAL: Fired-up KU takes down A&M, 79-66

Kansas guard Sherron Collins, second from right, celebrates with teammates Cole Aldrich, right, Elijah Johnson and C.J. Henry in the closing minutes of the Jayhawks' 79-66 win over Texas A&M on Friday in Kansas City, Mo.

Kansas guard Sherron Collins, second from right, celebrates with teammates Cole Aldrich, right, Elijah Johnson and C.J. Henry in the closing minutes of the Jayhawks' 79-66 win over Texas A&M on Friday in Kansas City, Mo.


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KU defeats TAMU, 79-66

Aldrich with a big offensive rebound off a missed Collins three. KU will milk some more time off the clock.

Give credit to Self for adjusting his defense on the fly. His team’s 2-3 zone has given A&M; some major problems in the second half.

The Rock Chalk Chant showers down with just over a minute left.

Collins checks out, and he has a few choice words for the A&M; bench as he heads off the court. He then gives a final salute before slapping hands with Self.

Markieff gets a late steal, and he throws ahead to Taylor for a layup with a foul. The final score won’t indicate how close this game was.

KU closes out a 79-66 victory.

KU 74/TAMU 59 — 3:33 left in game

Collins makes another shot for KU. During a stoppage, he turns toward us and winks at KU radio broadcaster Bob Davis.

Aldrich catches a deflected pass for a steal, and Collins spins in the lane before getting fouled by Holmes. Collins hits both free throws, then checks out to a loud ovation.

Aldrich brings some attention inside, then kicks out to Xavier Henry for another three that swishes through. That’s a 16-0 run for KU, and Turgeon calls another timeout. Xavier is a perfect 3-for-3 shooting from three in the second half, and he’s up to 15 points.

Sloan hits a pair of free throws to break A&M;’s long scoreless drought. The Aggies went nearly five minutes without a point.

KU 63/TAMU 57 — 6:41 left in game

Collins fires up a three from the left side, and it hits the front rim, pops straight up a few feet, then swishes through. KU has tied it at 51.

A&M; responds, though. Khris Middleton uses an up-fake to free himself for a 16-footer that goes though, and Sloan follows with two free throws.

Collins is sparking the Jayhawks offensively without taking any shots. Again, his penetration opens up the perimeter, and two quick passes net Xavier Henry an open three that rattles in.

The next possession, Collins lobs to Markieff Morris, who catches the ball in the lane and lays it in for two. KU has regained the lead at 56-55, and Turgeon calls timeout.

Sloan once again makes a huge shot for A&M;, putting in a baseline fadeaway over Morningstar with two on the shot clock.

Collins is playing some of his best basketball of the year right now, though. He feeds Markieff for another layup, then gets a steal and puts in a layup.

Later, Collins drives to draw attention, and two passes later, Xavier Henry shoots in a three. KU is up six, and Turgeon calls timeout.

Collins gets the fans fired up, and he gets tangled up with some A&M; players on his way back to the bench. Officials separate the two.

On the media timeout, the two teams have to be separated again by Higgins, who calls a double technical. Turgeon is extremely angry (at Collins I think) and KU assistant coach Danny Manning comes on to the court to grab Markieff Morris and Collins to take them to the bench. Things are really heated up here.

TAMU 51/KU 48 — 11:56 left in game

Collins drives, then kicks out to Morningstar for a three from the corner that goes through. KU’s fans start to grow louder.

Aldrich nearly comes down with an offensive rebound, but after diving for it, he tips it out of bounds. Originally, the officials give it to Kansas, but after conferring, they correctly give it to A&M.; KU athletic director Lew Perkins goes nuts in the row in front of me, grabbing his lower jaw with a shocked look on his face. He must not have seen it as well as I did.

Another drive by Collins, and he throws a no-look feed to Tyrel Reed for another three. Swish. A&M; calls timeout, as KU is down just one after an 8-0 run.

With the building about to get really loud, Holmes sinks a tough, 18-foot fadeaway with one second left on the shot clock. Big shot for the Aggies to break up the momentum.

TAMU 47/KU 40 — 15:45 left in game

Aldrich gets a lob inside, and he slams it home with one hand. After going through the hoop, the ball comes back to Aldrich, and he slaps it back out of bounds. Could this be the start of a mean streak for Cole?

KU turns it over, but Marcus makes it worse by fouling B.J. Holmes in transition. With three fouls, Marcus goes back to the bench.

Loubeau puts in a layup, and A&M; has a 6-0 run. Self calls timeout with his team down seven.

After Collins is fouled on a drive, things get chippy between him and A&M;’s Bryan Davis. Higgins steps in, telling them both to “shut up.” They eventually do.

In transition, Morningstar puts in a layup, but he’s called for a charge. It didn’t look like A&M;’s Holmes was set. The KU fans go nuts, and as soon as the Aggies get the ball to the other end, the same official calls a quick travel on A&M.; “Nice makeup call!” Self screams across the court, saying what every other KU fan in the building was thinking.

KU scoring — Collins 12 (4-for-7 shooting), Markieff Morris 6, Taylor 5, Aldrich 4, X. Henry 4, Morningstar 2, Marcus Morris 2.

KU was 13-for-23 from the floor (56.5 percent), 4-for-8 from three (50 percent) and 5-for-7 from the free-throw line (71.4 percent).

A&M; was 14-for-28 from the floor (50 percent), 3-for-7 from three (42.9 percent) and 7-for-8 from the free-throw line (87.5 percent).

KU out-rebounded A&M;, 14-12, in the first half. KU had 12 turnovers, while A&M; had six.

TAMU guard Donald Sloan had 13 first-half points on 5-for-10 shooting.

Halftime thoughts

Looking at the box score, I was surprised the Jayhawks shot so well (56.5 percent) in the first half. Obviously the 12 turnovers have hurt the Jayhawks quite a bit, because when KU is getting shots, it's scoring.

Here's an interesting statistic: KU had just one first-half offensive rebound, and that was a team rebound. No Jayhawk actually grabbed one of his teammates' misses.

Not a good half for Xavier Henry. I liked him in this matchup against A&M;, too. He had four points and two turnovers in 13 minutes. I would look for him to be a key for KU in the second half.

Free throw recap: Texas A&M; has eight, while KU has seven. Neither team has been spectacular in this area yet.

TAMU 38/KU 35 — Halftime

Taylor pulls down a defensive rebound, but after sprinting to the other end, he fires a pass to the outside off of Brady Morningstar’s hands. Though Taylor made a bad pass and will get the turnover, Morningstar didn’t do a good job of spacing himself out on the fast-break opportunity.

Taylor leaps for a steal, then fires a one-handed baseball pass upcourt for Collins. The senior guard corrals it, then makes an athletic move to put in a layup around a leaping Walkup. TAMU coach Mark Turgeon calls timeout.

Collins gets called for a foul away from the ball, and he isn’t happy. He talks to the official for an extended length of time, trying to plead his case. It looks like Collins thinks he was pushed first. Self yells across the court to tell Collins to calm down.

Morningstar makes a nifty baseline move, putting in a reverse layup amongst the trees inside.

Taylor misses a shot at the buzzer, and KU trails by three at the break.

TAMU 34/KU 29 — 3:16 left in 1st half

Aldrich fires a nice pass over the top to Markieff Morris, but he can’t get the layup to go down. We don’t talk about this a lot, but the Jayhawks are gifted with some big men that are exceptional passers.

Collins with a drive and spin move before putting in a 10-foot floater in the lane. That kind of move is going to be tough for any defender to stop.

A&M; is taking advantage of KU’s high number of team fouls. The Aggies put in four straight free throws on one-and-ones, and they’re now 5-for-6 from the line.

After making such a nice move in the lane a few seconds ago, Collins tries to do too much, going to a fadeaway jumper off the dribble that bricks away.

Robinson misses a layup in the lane. Markieff turns it over on the next possession. KU is up to 10 turnovers with 3:16 still to go in the first half.

KU 26/TAMU 25 — 7:23 left in 1st half

Tyshawn Taylor curls around traffic, then drives to the basket for a two with a foul. The three-point play gives KU its first lead at 18-16.

Marcus Morris picks up his second foul, and he checks out. That’s a big blow for KU with 11 minutes still left in the half.

Loubeau is a first-team, all-conference-type of player against KU this year. His baseline jumper beats the shot clock, and he’s up to seven points on 3-for-4 shooting.

The Aggies score seven straight points, and KU has looked lost the last two days without Collins on the floor. Self checks his senior guard back in quickly to try to limit the damage.

KU makes a run to regain the lead, with Markieff Morris draining an open three from the top of the circle.

Just when the crowd gets fired up, Higgins calls a ticky-tack foul on KU’s Thomas Robinson. Self smiles while talking to Higgins after the call. I wish I knew what he said to him.

TAMU 16/KU 15 — 11:36 left in 1st half

A&M;’s Nathan Walkup is left all alone for a three-point attempt, and he swishes it, holding his follow-through up an extra second for good measure.

Sherron Collins answers with a three, but TAMU’s Donald Sloan takes it straight down the court and puts in a floater in the lane. Self calls timeout. That’s the second time in the last two games KU has been beaten down the court after an inbounds pass by the other team.

Aldrich comes down with a defensive rebound, but he tosses the outlet pass out of bounds. You don’t see this often, but Collins shows visible frustration with KU’s junior center. He says something to Aldrich, then glares at him for a couple seconds, wanting him to focus better this game.

Collins follows with a three, slapping his chest with his right palm afterwards. The Jayhawks’ leader has started this game well — something he hasn’t done in a few games.

TAMU 11/KU 7 — 14:54 left in 1st half

Kansas immediately breaks out the full-court press after a turnover by Cole Aldrich. After trapping, Marcus Morris rips away a steal, but he loses the handle after a few dribbles for KU’s second turnover.

Xavier Henry is left alone in the corner, and he rattles in a three for KU’s first points.

Cole Aldrich is forced to help late defensively, and he fouls Texas A&M;’s David Loubeau from behind. Just 2:25 in, Aldrich needs to be careful with fouls.

Aldrich has a pass slip out of his hands, and that’s KU’s fourth turnover in the first three minutes. The Jayhawks have come out sluggish in their second straight game this tournament.

Loubeau puts in a layup, and he continues to give KU fits inside. He had 17 in the first matchup, and he has three already.

Marcus Morris travels, and KU can’t get shots up at the moment.

KU’s pressure creates a steal, and Markieff Morris beats everyone down the floor for a two-handed jam. That’s one way to get things going offensively.

Loubeau with another two, this time over Marcus Morris. KU coach Bill Self is livid, screaming at his players on the court to pick up the defense.

5:56 p.m.

John Higgins is one of the officials today. He and Self usually don't get along too well.

5:30 p.m.

Our GameDay Cram Session from live at the KC Power and Light District is available in podcast form by clicking on the link at the left.

5:15 p.m.

Welcome back the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo., where the No. 1 Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the 23rd-ranked Texas A&M; Aggies.

It's been a great couple days hanging out with KU fans at the KC Live Block in the Power and Light District. Remember, we have a booth between Johnny's and Tengo Sed Cantina in the Live Block. Go there to sign up for prizes and also pick up some goodies.

We're also getting ready to post a video of Tom Keegan and me hosting a Jayhawk trivia contest from the stage of the Live Block. Special thanks to former Jayhawk Brad Witherspoon for helping us out on stage.

One quick key to look for in today's game against Texas A&M.;

Most of the Aggies' games this season have either been won or lost at the free-throw line.

A&M; gets 25 percent of its scoring from free throws — the 21st-highest split in the country. The Aggies average 27 free throws per game, while their opponents average 20.

In its eight losses, TAMU has averaged giving up 29 free throws to its opponents.

Though it wasn't talked about much, a major reason KU won the first matchup was because it won the free-throw battle. KU was 18-for-26 from the line, while A&M; was just 5-for-11. Texas A&M; coach Mark Turgeon even made mention of the statistic in his postgame press conference, as he was a bit frustrated with the whistle he received at home.

I'd keep a close eye on the free throws again this game. If A&M; gets above its season average of free throws (27) and KU shoots under A&M;'s opponents' average (20), I would think the Aggies would have a great chance of pulling off the upset.

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Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

KU by 7, Hawks were effortless yesterday... if that changes to up to 110% today I will change to KU by 15, if not.....well da_n'em

dynamitehawk 10 years, 2 months ago

sorry to double post (from an earlier thread) but this is relevant...

What scares me about A&M is not their basketball team, but more.... this: "Its original mission was to educate white males in farming and military techniques."

A win would be great. Rock Chalk..

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Unless all the cheerleaders show up nude and visible only to KU players, KU wins. :-)

dynamitehawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Yes, or if Big XII organizers provide players with game-time bench laptops with facebook/twitter available.

David Davison 10 years, 2 months ago

I don't think KU will come out (and stay) flat. Early lead of 10+, by the under 12 timeout. Perhaps a little lull here and there, up by 18 at the buzzer.

Andy Godwin 10 years, 2 months ago

Where can one listen to the game online for free? KLWN is in blackout mode. Since KU Athletics has the exclusive rights to the game, it prevents the live streaming of local radio stations so that it can charge on its Web site for the game.

Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

610 doing pregame now...wether that means the game or not I dont know...

Matt Bowers 10 years, 2 months ago

Dear God, Please send a link. I know I haven't been perfect, but I swear, if I get this game I will give up cussing for Lent. Those of you who are fortunate enough to live in Lawrence get this game, I'm in NC, and need HELP!

Rock Chalk

ilovebill 10 years, 2 months ago

I'm in Chapel Hill and I am begging for a link!! Thank you!!

Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

610 just went to talk radio, no game...if ever it is

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

5 turnovers already. not the start we're looking for obviously.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

6 turnovers now. Please stop it already.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 2 months ago

Well, the officials are 'up' to their usual standards.

kufan89 10 years, 2 months ago

RokChlk thank you so much for the link

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

Hey, we're averaging a turnover every minute---another great start. I have noticed Self is a little more upset than in past games---hummmm.

focohawk 10 years, 2 months ago

ESPN says CJ Henry started? Is that a misprint?

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

I'm not even going to pretend to be surprised that we are playing like garbage in the first half....

But, i'm laughing at what Self said "nice job coming out being ready to play ty!"

And then you see Taylor on TV lipping "i don't give a _".

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

soobawls - i understand your frustration, but bench the starters the entire game?

RedRed 10 years, 2 months ago

Catch your breath ... Settle in ... and play good solid ball !! Both 'D' and 'O' !!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

Did anyone see Coach Self's response to Cole several minutes ago? Looked like Cole asked a dumb question and I could read Coach Self's lips----"Well, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

Can anyone tell me why TT has a bad attitude?

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

I disagree with a lot of what you say soobawls, but I have to agree with you on that point. Self never sits anyone for doing anything stupid. Especially if it's one of his starters.

Unfortunately I think that does equate to some lazy play and stupid decisions.

Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

KLWN is broadcasting on internet of game......

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

drgnslayr - I agree with that logic, but we just saw again why TRob (and EJ too) dont play more. That was just a stupid foul by TRob 35 feet away from the bucket in transition.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

NH_JHawk I think most of us would agree, but what some of us are saying is that we should have let them play through it and get more time figuring things out earlier in the season.

fansincewilt 10 years, 2 months ago

Self knows exactly what he is doing. Just watch him. He is coaching a bunch of boys and doing a great job. I'm not sure if winning the Big 12 tournament is the absolute goal though.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus - I hear you for sure and I appreciate what you're saying, but my point is that the reason neitther see much pt (regardless whether it's now or earlier in the season) is because they are deficient on the defensive end of the floor. If they were more effective at playing D then we would be seeing them play more.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Agreed Jhawk, I still believe we should have let them get into trouble early in the season. It'd pay dividends this time a year......

Also, Self needs to put a leash on Collins. He makes 1 or 2 good plays, and then you can see him get the "It's all about me" attitude. Then he promptly makes a couple retarded plays where it's him vs. the world. Some things never change I guess.

Joe Joseph 10 years, 2 months ago

I just watched the triva questions. That was pretty hilar.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Robinson is getting more playing time than I expected. This is great news. He missed a bunny (nerves obviously) but hopefully those will settle if he keeps playing.

One thing you have to notice about him, he sprints everywhere. That kid brings a much needed energy to our team.

Kent Wells 10 years, 2 months ago

Must be the vodka cause I just saw Morningstar make a layup.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

drgnslayr - except we won the B12 tourney in 2008. However, we did play to our level of competition a lot that year too. The OSU game that year was awful.

Despite the very poor play in the 1st half we will still win this game. We're just that good even when we're playing that bad.

jmason 10 years, 2 months ago

I know he is probabaly gone but Cole is nowhere close to being a productive NBA player. He is out of shape, weak with the ball, and has been poor in transition.

Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

the expression "tries too hard" could be implied in the first half.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Well....if yesterday was ugly.....I don't have a clue what you would call this. I'm not sure there is an adjective.

Wow....the turnovers are unbelievable!

Does anybody else feel lucky to only be down 3???

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

they play like they have the last two games, they will not make it to the sweet 16

Jack Wilson 10 years, 2 months ago

Cole seems tired. I just can't figure out why he can't score. He seems to freeze up with the ball. How hard is it to reverse pivot (see Jack Sikma) and hit the 8 footer? Or back a guy down? Or drop step? He makes no offensive move. Heck, we don't even score when he gets doubled.

We make stupid turnovers and lack any real offensive approach.

trueblue9 10 years, 2 months ago

At least ESPN is getting what it bargained for with this close ACC quarterfinals matchup.

Agreed with Soobawls. At some point you have to start pointing fingers at BS. Or maybe others are correct, its just his master plan to make us suck and players to look terrible. Then they'll stick around an extra year because they have no value to the league. Then we can win it all because we have undeniably the best talent in the country. Then he wins coach of the year. Quite brilliant really.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

They play like the last 2 games......the #16 will beat them.....with not much trouble.

David Howell 10 years, 2 months ago

For all of you who can't figure out why we are playing bad, come on. We've been playing like this for the past 10 games or so. We play questionable team ball and usually squeak out a win.

However, as of today I've given up on our chances for a deep tourney run. We simply don't learn from our mistakes. We play stupid, don't make the simple pass, and we are extremely lazy on defense which leads to stupid fouls.

I'll enjoy it while it lasts, but at this point I can't see it lasting very long or at least for a six game run against other teams backed up against a wall.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

drgnslayr - It's a total mystery to me too. Frankly, there is no valid reason. We're just not into this tournament so far. Couldn't even begin to speculate as to why that is.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus.....give me some hope.....what is it going to take to win this???

ParisHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Many of you wish the bench players such as TRob, EJ, etc. had played more earlier in the season. Me too, but I remember many games where we were up by a dozen and then let up. If we had put away some weaker teams early, the bench would have gotten more minutes.

Would you have traded some of our wins for more time for these guys, especially for EJ who got good minutes anyway and two starts before conference play?

Self has to dance with the girl what brung him.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Guys, guys, guys, you are not giving TAM enough credit. They are an excellent team that matches up well with us everywhere, and they have a superior player in Sloan at the 2. Turg has wised up and decided to just play us head up in the paint, and concentrate on shutting off Sherron's penetrations between defenders at the free throw line. Self had to get into half time and work out something new to do with Sherron's penetration cut off.

KU shot great the first half and succeeded in keeping TAM off the offensive glass.

Our big problem is TOs. If we can't protect the ball, we'll get beat. If we do protect it, then we'll probably win. Why? Because both teams are not going to be hitting treys the second half. KU can't shoot 50% from trey for two straight games. And TAM is a lousy trey shooting team that just shot 42% the first half.

Really, despite all the TOs, we're only down 3. If we can protect the ball and find a way either to shake Sherron loose, or play through Xavier, who let himself get cut out of the game, we can win this game handily.

But I fully expect this TAM team to play very well and go to at least the 16 in the Madness.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Ah Jaybate....thank you for restoring order here!

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

"However, as of today I've given up on our chances for a deep tourney run."

Guess we better not see you posting on this board after next Friday then. Enjoy your summer, jhawkr.

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

I'm not going to blame BS for this, the guards are turning over the ball and the players will respond to the BS butt ripping, they always do.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Ahhhhh. We're cool. These guys know when to win. I don't want to remind everyone when Cole dominated Tyler, and Sherron... well he has carried this team (including his steal and make - which made the LAST NC possible) when it matters most. Remember last year how they said North Carolina didn't start playing defense until the tournament. We may not win it all. Its probably likely that we don't. But this is a great year and a great run. Enjoy it, dawgs.

Vic Janeway 10 years, 2 months ago

first of all they know they are good, period....when they try too hard they are thinking about how to play.....EH! just go with it young men! instinct. Just play ball

trueblue9 10 years, 2 months ago

We let up those large leads because BS left tired legs in the game. But you are correct, its too late now, TRob simply cannot be trusted in these pressure situations. Still question why Withey isn't being given a chance to prove that he can take these 4 minutes that seem to be coming TRob's way b/c of foul trouble. At least he doesn't seem to panic everytime the ball is nearby.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 2 months ago

Agree trublue9...TRob needs a summer to get his game going! He's going to be special though!

trueblue9 10 years, 2 months ago

Its exactly this type of play that makes me question BS. Why can we go to Cole right at the beginning of the game and half, and sometimes out of timeouts, but at no other time?? Discipline.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 2 months ago

A&M is playing themselves into a 4 seed.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

kennethst, in my personal opinion Collins is our answer. Now, I don't mean Collins taking a ton of shots or running around out of control. I mean Collins actually leading, and making passes.

Collins has been averaging 1 assist a game, and that's just pathetic. When he starts really moving the ball around and driving/dishing, we play a lot better. When we fall into this habit of being lazy around the perimeter looking like nobody wants to move, that's when we fall into slumps.

Again, it's just my opinion but if we want to go very far we need Collins to start playing smarter. (and actually feeding the post as well)

ParisHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Our head is elsewhere, but I don't dare say where...

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

Every play goes through Cole just depends if the guards want to give him the ball.

mace221 10 years, 2 months ago

We keeping missing these free throws = we lose

shawk13 10 years, 2 months ago

There is no energy to be found in this game. There is lead in everyone's shoes. Theutus already mentioned this, but I noticed it too: TRob has been the only player I have seen to hustle to the ball. I feel like we are just coasting through these big12 tourney games, they don't mean too much to the selection committee, and obviously, by the lack of emotion, don't mean much to our players. The schedule gets pretty intense for teams as they play in back to back tournaments at the end of the season, but I really felt like endurance wouldn't be a problem this season, with the depth on this team.

Coach Self said himself that he wants the seed in the tournament that gives us the best chance to advance, obviously no one knows what that seed is, but it is logical to assume coach Self has much concern about being #1 overall. I am very hesitant to assume there is a coaching strategy involved here, and it doesn't necessarily only have to be "saving our legs", but I really don't want to believe that the team completely deflated emotionally coming off of two 20 point wins over rivals. We have been a "switch" team all year, playing 5 minutes of the best basketball in the country, then turning around and playing poorly, but we always fight and make important shots to keep us in the game.

I feel like we have been coasting all season, but the coasting in these two games is different somehow, like coach Self isn't even at the game. It seems like he told them to just go out and play basketball how they see fit, like some sort of maturity experiment. Self's teams have always had a sense of brotherhood and synergy. I trust him to have them as ready as possible for the tourney, whether the kind of play we are watching now is excusable or not.

brooksmd 10 years, 2 months ago

Time to sit the whole starting 5 and let them think about what they are doing. Geez!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

This is awesome! Sloan with 4 fouls.

Great play by Brady.

But KU has just run into a team that plays as good of pressure defense as KU does. And they body and hack'n'slap as well as we do. Turg has just studied what we do and tried to do it better.

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

i cannot believe this ....... i had to leave the room......... turnovers are KILLING us and i think we look like ........... rematch with ksu???? not sure we will ever see it......

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

I love Reed. He's 110% at all times, and he's clutch.

He doesn't get the respect he deserves.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Hopefully the Reed show just started. We need some baskets.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Disruption stat telling all right now. Turg is just flat out beating us at our own game today. TAM's man2man switching is absolutely the best I've seen put on KU. TAM is the best defensive team in the country by a considerable margin. They are forcing many of our TOs simply by clogging so many of the things we usually do. Disruption stat tells all so far.

Team/steals/TOs TAM 9/8 KU 5/16

Another problem remains: no Xavier.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

I disagree Jaybate, most of our turnovers have been unforced.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

You can feel they've finally found a way to shake Sherron loose on the penetration.

And they've brought Reed in for energy.

And Sloan's back to try to stop our surge.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Brady playing great defense against a terrific Sloan. A real battle.

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

i agree with theutus....... most of our TOs have been our OWN stupid stupid plays just throwing the ball away on our own......... i am thoroughly disgusted with this team and their effort..... i love my hawks but this is pathetic

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus, when teams play the passing lanes and gear their switching to take away what our primary player, offenses clog up and players get frustrated. This is what our pressure defense usually does to other teams. We just have not run into a team able to do this to us very often. When it happens, players start getting frustrated and making unsafe passes just to try to keep the ball moving. Our TOs are hugely related to what TAM is doing. Self just can't really think of much to do to break the clogging.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Nice shot by Collins... Let's just hope it doesn't go straight to his head and he runs around taking terrible shots the next couple possessions.

ParisHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

A&M seems to be playing great, and we are in the game. We can't be playing that horribly.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Again, i disagree Jaybate. At least 5 turnovers we've had have been because someone passed a ball while another player wasn't paying attention, or that player just bobbled the ball.

That isn't caused by A&M. I think you're just dead set on being an apologist for KU. I admire your allegiance, but it's not realistic.

Also, right after I post about Collins letting that shot go to his head, he commits a turnover... NOT caused by A&M, but by Collins.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Self has shown some zone to try to break up the Aggies offensive rhythm, as much as to protect fouling.

Now, Cole has 4 and its Self is going small.

This is a great move by Self.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Again, I disagree Theutus.

Self is out coaching Turg in front of our eyes right now.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

No other coach in America can milk a win out of a game against a team as good as TAM when his team has made 18 TOs. Self is amazing.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Self isn't doing anything to cause this.... Our players just finally started playing with intensity. It's blatantly obvious.

We have done this the past few games. We play lazy until the last 10 minutes, then start playing real ball. It'll cost us one of these games.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Self is a frigging genius. He's stealing this game right out from under Turg's nose!!!!!!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Xavier wakes up and KU starts winning.

ParisHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Man when these runs come does it feel good! Collins is doing his thing and X too.

Kent Wells 10 years, 2 months ago

What the hell is going on with Sherron?

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 2 months ago

I don't like this wolf ticket stuff! Collins and Marcus need to chill!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

Gettin' a little chippy---my god, a frickin' T on Markief or Marcus---geeze, I swear!!!!!

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

He's acting like a little thug. How about keep your mouth shut, and do your talking on the court.

As the team leader, he's just throwing fuel on the fire to get the Morris's started as well. Turgeon has a right to be pissed.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Turg has been baiting Sherron for the last three minutes and he finally got to him.

This is amazing coaching going on right now.

A truly battle of wits.

Turg saw the game being stolen from him and so he puts the needle to a fired up Sherron that Turg has been having his guys put his hands on for an entire game.

Wickedly clever Turg.

Now, what will Self do?

LB has to be sitting back and saying, "They learned well!"

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

Disagree this team needs that if it gets them fired up.

Kent Wells 10 years, 2 months ago

Here comes Marcus for No. 5! Let them play ref!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Now bring the bigs back in and finish them off.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Self is a genius. Self is a genius. No other coach in America could have pulled a win out of a game like this...if he does it.

Sherron Collins is an absolute man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a spin move!!!!!

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

...and just like that we're up by 15.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Well it's nice to see us finally playing with some intensity. If only Self could figure out how to get this team to show up ready to play with that intensity from the get-go.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Xavier drives the dagger through the heart!!!!!

He's ready for the NBA!!!!!!!!

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 2 months ago

A&M is running out of gas! X....Slaughter!

nobody1793 10 years, 2 months ago

Who likes short shorts? Carl Henry likes short shorts!!! LOL! Great footage!

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Nice floater by Collins. He's great when he's playing smart basketball.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


Its tough to admit when you are wrong.

Look at the scoreboard. Look at the scoreboard.

No other coach in America could have won this game with a team making this many TOs.

Go ahead, I can wait for you to come around.

Self is a genius. Self is a genius.

The only problem right now is Tyshawn. He doesn't know that the clock is now the opponent.

Turg could still steal this game back, but it looks like we've got'tem.

Soobawls and Theutus, you've got to open your eyes.

You're watching pure coaching genius and you're missing it entirely.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

KU wells---what'd you say about Collins? He's the man!!!!!

The sand is running out of the hour glass for A&M. Play great D and it's a Final.

floridajayhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

Soobawls, the man has won 6 straight regular season titles, 3 Big 12 Championships(correct me if im wrong) and a NC he is in the top 3 in coaching

RedRed 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate ... you are THE MAN !!!

I see Turg trying to get the best of Self. Can't and Won't Happen !!

Theutus wants to get the best of YOU. He Can't and Won't Happen !!

Just called him Coach Jaybate !!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


Sherronatron is the best PG in America and the best PG KU ever had.

I love watching guys live in denial and try to save face, when they are publicly humiliated by how wrong they are.

You guys made my day.

I love you both for being so wrong. It adds so much drama and hilarity to games.

But, hey, we could still lose the game.

But even a loss would not erase the brilliance of this comeback.

Self is a genius. Self is a genius.

shawk13 10 years, 2 months ago

The score is backwards for me on here.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Ok Jaybate, go back to being a cheerleader, because I'm not buying what you're selling.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Look at'em play the clock.

The team is listening.

The team is crushing TAM.

The team is beautiful. The team is beautiful.

They shot 55% from trey!!!!

Held a team without a basket for 9 minutes!!!!!!!!

jayharchitect 10 years, 2 months ago

Listening from South Korea... feels good hearing that sweet Rock Chalk chant.

shawk13 10 years, 2 months ago

I am watching the game with a little delay.

It is the consensus that X has a beautiful shot, but about 80% of the 3's I watch him make give me chills. He just buries them.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Let's hope K-State takes care of business tonight. 3peat.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus, you are so freaking funny.

Don't buy what I say.

Look at the scoreboard! Look at the scoreboard!

Self is a genius. Self is a genius.

Sherron is the greatest. He is an absolute man!!!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Now, I will say that it is still not too late.

KU has to stay on them to the end.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

And look at Tyshawn!!!! He took it up against a foul and did not fade. Yeeeee hawwwww!

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 2 months ago

jayharchitect lay off of the kim chee (sp)!

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate, i disagree with you.... That's all.

Then again, maybe if you keep posting the same stuff, repeating yourself twice on everything you type.... Maybe, just maybe someone will buy into it.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

Straight from Collins: "We came out not ready to play, and with no energy".

Let's hope they do something about it before we play KSU.

Dirtwood65 10 years, 2 months ago

it's about time kusports got the score in WA w/out any other source...thought KU was getting it's ass kicked!!!! thanks for finally fixing the score crap

RedRed 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate has sold me !! C'mon "Buy It while his stock is low !!

KGphoto 10 years, 2 months ago

Every single TAM player hugged Sherron. Not a handshake. A hug.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 2 months ago

I love me some winning. Come on folks. Deep breath. We. are. great. chill. out.

Jesse Newell 10 years, 2 months ago

shawks — Yeah, sorry about that. Big mistake on my part. I was trying to get in all the off-the-court action and made a big typo. We should be good now.

CoolDoc_Jones 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate, you may have been asked this several times; but is that the holy grail from the Last Crusade?

ParisHawk 10 years, 2 months ago

jaybate, you are a fan! I love it! When the team gets it in gear, when Sherron does Sherron and the 3s rain down and the D clamps down, we gotta love it! Keep those exclamation points coming.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

KGphoto, that's awesome. It's good to see both teams regain their composure and control and just acknowledge each other as competitive athletes.

kufan89 10 years, 2 months ago

although I hated all the turn overs, this was a fun game to watch. And yes I would say that had it been the other way around. Looking forward to the Big 12 Championship. ROCK CHALK!

Kent Wells 10 years, 2 months ago

Mikendal: he was a man posessed tonight. Carried them to the finals. Awesome. What the hell got into him?

And check out comment No. 1. What's the final spread???

Oh yeah!

dynamitehawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus - All we are saying is give peace a chance.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Watching soo and theutus try to rationalize this one is worth any amount of pixelation in this feed today.

Self just kept making the correct moves, and didn't panic when he didn't know how to shake Sherronatron loose. Self just kept the team coming, hanging close until the midpoint of the second half. He know TAM can't shoot the trey. But he knew he had to time it just right. He went small with 9-10 to go and with 4 great shooters and watched TAM choke on the open treys and told his shooters to open up and keep shooting. It was beautiful. It was a work of coaching art!!

Self is a genius. Self is a genius.

It was like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot out there. It was just the most sublime 9 minutes of basketball I've seen since the first ten minutes against UNC in 2008.

"Best players gotta play when the team is laboring."--Bill Self

brooksmd 10 years, 2 months ago

Bobby Knight.."I never did like that chant. Heard it too many times." Coach Knight brings some nice color to the broadcast. Just like Jaybate brings to this board. I moved my whole portfolio to Jaybate stock a long time ago.

shawk13 10 years, 2 months ago

Jesse - No worries. Wasn't a huge concern for me as I have the game on, just wanted to let you know in case you would happen to read my comment before you caught it yourself.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


That is exactly it. We guard the holy grail of basketball here at Kansas. That is why it is my avatar.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Theutus-you get call of the game.

You asked for got him!

His best game of the year!

kufan75 10 years, 2 months ago

Defense wins games and the zone was just what we needed. Self made the right call at the right time.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


Again and again...the truth is one of those things that just won't go away.

Tomorrow when you wake up, this game will have been real still.

No other coach in America could have pulled a win out of that game.

The players won it on the floor, but Self kept working and working through the laboring until the baby was born!!!!!!!!!!

Self finally found the mix that could expose what Turg was doing.

Theutus, I'm not selling anything.

Look at Self's 82% record.

Look at his ring.

Look at how wonderful his players play at crunch time.

Look at the scoreboard.

Lookie, lookie, lookie, Self is a freaking genius.

Even he doesn't know exactly how he does it...and that's true genius.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 2 months ago

The Big XII Deputy Comish talking about how KC is a great venue for the tournament. I hope they don't cave to Jerry Jones and the edifice he built unto himself.

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 2 months ago

kuwells--- Did you notice Holly Rowes cleavage tonite? An equipment malfunction would have caused a major tsunami

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate-Great as ever. Yes....Self is awesome.

What a blitzkrieg! Destoyed them.

I like what Brent Musberger said....."you better come ready to play Kansas for 40 minutes"

ie-sure we looked like crap for a while......but we still win!!!

PS-We do have to cut down on these awful turnovers.....way too many.

PPS-I think the near fights in this game really fired up KU....both in this game and tomorrow.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


I tried to be there for the team today the way you asked me to be.

I don't know if we can beat KSU three times, but it doesn't matter now. We only needed 2 of 3 to ice a 1 or 2 seed. Mission accomplished in this conference tourney. But a win against KSU and I will break out the Glennlevitt (sp?) with you!!!!

Rock Chalk!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

I have come to the conclusion that any more negative posts regarding how the Jayhawks are playing the rest of this year, I will simply ignore. I have seen a lot of basketball to know that the Jayhawks will have their ups and downs, like other teams in the country. Even though this was another ugly win by the Jayhawks, I like our chances in the Big Dance. If HCBS could bottle that second half performance and show his kids the video of this is what we need to get to Indy and then, just win the darn thing---one could only imagine, that there would be another trophy in AFH! Nice win, Jayhawks! I hoping that the Wild Kitties will win over Baylor so we can go 3-0 against them---Rock Chalk forever!

jhawkroger 10 years, 2 months ago

I was told by a buddy on mine in Lawrence that Bill Self's teams would win ugly. I think that this one was a little uglier than it needed to be. The lads better get a handle on the turnovers before next week or for that matter, before tomorrow. I guess you might say this game was like a hole in one. Not necessarily the best shot you ever made but it still counts as a one or in this case, a win. Rocking and Chalking and moving on.

jhawkroger 10 years, 2 months ago

I was told by a buddy on mine in Lawrence that Bill Self's teams would win ugly. I think that this one was a little uglier than it needed to be. The lads better get a handle on the turnovers before next week or for that matter, before tomorrow. I guess you might say this game was like a hole in one. Not necessarily the best shot you ever made but it still counts as a one or in this case, a win. Rocking and Chalking and moving on.

chapel4ku 10 years, 2 months ago

"That's our thing, we're chasing the ring"~Sherron Collins...I love how tough this team is and how they have each others backs at all times. That was what killed Roy's teams, they didn't have the toughnes or the "swag" that it takes to win an NC!! Congrats to coach Self on becoming the fastest Kansas coach to 200 W's!! Rock Chalk all the way from tarheel country and where the 3rd winningest basketball program resides!!!!

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

I don't think Self had anything to do with this win. I think the players came out and played lazy. They came out and went through the motions for a majority of the game, just like so many other games this season. This teams biggest fault, they play to the opponent, not to their ability.

Then with 10 minutes to go, they finally start putting in some effort and intensity. It's been this way for quite some time now.

Our winning record? It's because we've got more talent than any other team in the nation by a long shot. With the talent we have, we should be destroying our opponents. That's how we're surviving actually, on sheer athletic ability. It's not on team play. It's not on "smart basketball". How many ally-oops do we get? How many assists do our PG's average? Quite simply put, our bigs are saving us because they are pulling down tons of boards and Cole is stopping people on defense.

You don't have to agree with my assessment, I don't agree with yours. But that's ok, we're both rooting for the hawks to win... You just have more faith in them at this point than I do.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate-Nothing makes whiskey taste better than a KU win.....especially against K-State.....especially for the Big 12 Tournemnet title!

Ah, it's spelled Glenlivet. A Wonderful scotch whiskey. One of the best. It would be an honor, sir.

I'm guessing tomorrow we play Baylor......and we win!

MrPilot 10 years, 2 months ago

Rock Chalk Jayhawk! Glad my boys showed up for the end of the game!!!!!

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 2 months ago

jaybate, your opinion please. If sooballs were coaching this team, do you think he would be 45 & 0? With his infinitely superior coaching skills, I am sure that he could get 2 wins out of a game at least half the time.

kennethst 10 years, 2 months ago


You are so right about Self. When Roy left I thought we would take a step down in coach. But Roy leaving was the best thing that could have happenned to KU.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 2 months ago

Dang, I don't want to have Bill Self's love child or anything, but anybody who doesn't appreciate Bill Self's coaching is not of this world! Coaches have to be good recruiters (he is), good game day coaches (he is), good motivators (he is), and good Xs and Os guys (he is). Somebody else may have some more or different criteria, but this dude's resume speaks for itself and anybody who claims otherwise has to be someone who didn't like the hire and is just too stubborn to admit they're wrong. We should feel blessed he calls Lawrence home!!!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

BTW, the Rock Chalk chant was really loud!!!!!!!!!!! For those fans at the Sprint Center, thanks for that! That was simply awesome. I have never been at the Sprint Center for a Jayhawk game. I have to go sometime. Just got to make it happen. Rock Chalk!

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

rockchalk1990, if you are referring to my post.... I'll clarify a little. I think Coach Self is an amazing coach. I wouldn't want anyone else in the country as our head coach.

I think he's done a great job, and I think he's doing everything he can as a coach. However at some point, the players have to actually play.

Today I think our guys came out with no intensity, and just went through the motions for atleast the entire first half. There really isn't much Self can do about that. Sometimes the players just need to own up, and go out and do what they need to.

And I wholeheartedly agree, we are lucky to have Self. I hope he sticks around for the rest of his career.

James122 10 years, 2 months ago

Good-We won79-66, last 9 minutes of the game-both on offense and defense Bad-13-19 on the ft line=68%--this needs to be much higher for this time of the year Ugly-20 TO's--and the points we gave up in those to's, way to much

+/- of the players += each point made,rebound,steal,assist,block - = each fg missed, each 3pts missed, each ft. missed,to's,

  1. Markieff Morris----------21 points
  2. Sherron Collins---------18 points
  3. Cole Aldrich--------------18 points
  4. Tyshawn Taylor---------13 points
  5. Xavier Henry---------------8 points

  6. Brady Moringstar---------6 points

  7. Tyrel Reed------------------4 points
  8. Marcus Morris-------------- -1 point- 2 points, 1-2 fg, 1 steal and 3 to's

Overall: We need to let our playing do our talking for us. In the last 2 games we have been a little chippy.

Our passing was very poor--This late in the season their is no excuse for that

Nice dunk to start the 2nd half by Cole. Hit some big 3's late and played very well on defense in the last 8-9 minutes of the game.

I hope we play KSU in the finals!!!

Go Hawks--Win the Big 12 tourney championship and earn the #1 overall sead.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 2 months ago

jessejayhawk: Holly certainly has cushion for the pushin'.

RokChlk 10 years, 2 months ago

Side note...We just passed UNC on all time wins!!!!!

shawk13 10 years, 2 months ago

I agree with you for the most part Theutus. I like what jaybate is saying, and I agree Self is an amazing coach who helped us win tonight but players getting their heads in the game and playing with a little emotion was part of it too. No doubt there is a dynamic between Self putting players in positions that they can make plays and getting some energy, but it wasn't all him.

What % did we shoot during the last 10 minutes? I would prefer we didn't come out in every game of the NCAA tourney and sleep on the court for the first half and then assume we shoot 60% or better in the last 10 minutes, it is not a numbers game I would want to play.

Theutus 10 years, 2 months ago

RokChlk, i'll drink to that. Although I'll do so out of sheer competitiveness. I still wish Roy the best. He put his heart into KU basketball, and his reasons for leaving was family. You can't knock a guy for putting family first.

I hope he rebounds next year.

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 2 months ago

james122--- I'm not sure your numbers are correct. A missed trey loses a point and you also deduct a point for it being a missed FGA. Do you really mean to do it this way?

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

BC Raven--- you're pretty funny---didn't I see you on the Dave Letterman show one night? I like Holly a lot but Erin Edwards gets my attention real fast!!!!!!

Theutus--- I agree with your earlier post to some degree. Self can't do much about players going through the motions (first half).

Would love to see North Carolina make the NIT and then, find out that they would be playing on the road in Koch Arena, against the Wichita State Shockers. I would definitely go and see that game, living in the Wichita area!

Kent Wells 10 years, 2 months ago

How could you not notice that cleavage? Ray Charles just said, did you see that?

RokChlk 10 years, 2 months ago

I totally agree with you theutus, it is nothing against Roy I hope he has a better year next year too, it is all about the competitiveness with UNC, it just so happens Roy is the head coach over there!!!

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 2 months ago

kuwells---- It certainly had coach Self's attention during the halftime interview.

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

sorry i got so disgusted with the hawks...... man, they just can really exhaust me and i was not so optimistic tonite. those turnovers were HORRIBLE and we cannot continue that at all. we need to play like the last 10-12 minutes, for 40 minutes..... tomorrow and for 7 more total games if we want to cut down the nets!!!!!! these games are killing me and i sure got frustrated tonite but what a finish!! i think sherron is back in full force and hope it stays that way!! saw some great stuff from all just have to cut the turnovers and keep marcus out of foul trouble. OUCH!! RCJH!!!!!! lets finish up 2 big tournaments!!

Larry Smith 10 years, 2 months ago

So, Self goes to a box and one then a 2-3 zone to stifle the Aggies, it holds A&M to 10 minutes without a basket and people say the coach had nothing to do with it. Wow, really? I mean if the coach had nothing to do with it, then Theutus must be right, those players just came out and played whatever they wanted. I guess if that is the case, then whatever player adjusted the D is a genius?

Theutus, I know you like dogging on Collins, But 26 pts, 6 dimes against only 1 TO speaks for itself. Keep dogging him and he will keep proving you wrong.

And Sooballs, I know you think coach Self is terrible, but I really think the two of you need to get over yourselves.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 2 months ago

Just read that Onuaku for Syracuse will try to practice on Monday. Hope he can come back, I hate to see a top team have someone go out just as things are getting interesting.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

kuwells--- maybe it was you that was on Dave Letterman! Kind of like that commercial where Stevie Wonder says blue (red or yellow or whatever) one---VW commercial. OK, you don't have to laugh.

David Howell 10 years, 2 months ago

I too get exhausted but with reason ! We don't have the highest IQ team ever put on a floor ......... Why do we keep doubling up top on a screen only to either allow an easy bucket under neath or commit a stupid foul ?

As fans we all expect perfection out of them. I am a pessimist extreme and always will be. Our play as of late does nothing to make me optimistic. At some point we are going to have to play a complete game to win and it scares the pee out of me. There is always a Bradley or Bucknell waiting out there for us.

For once Xavier really excelled in the 2nd half. He would have played more if it hadn't been for his terrible defense. Sherron, well he did quite well this game. Once it got testy between the teams, he seemed to find another gear.

I swear that BS looks five years older then he was last October. I hope like the rest of you that we have a great 6 game run left in us. For now I could care less if we win tomorrow. Going into the tourney I am not too worried about our guards. Its our bigs that scare me and our ability to stay out of foul trouble. TRob just isn't mature enough yet for very many quality minutes ..........

emillasap 10 years, 2 months ago

Patton had nothing to do with the soldiers winning the battle. They are the ones who have to go fight! I say NO MORE COACHING!!!!! THUNDERDOME!!!!!!!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

jhawkr--- Yea, Andy Katz, from ESPN, is at the Big 12 Tourney, and, according to him, KU is a #1 seed and most likely, the #1 Overall seed, no matter what happens in the CG. He also, said that Kentucky and Syracuse should be #1 seeds, as well. That fourth #1 seed is up for grabs, according to Katz. And, when you fill out your brackets next week, a little inside info---no team has ever won the NC by losing their opening round game of their own post-season tourney---now, I present to you, Syracuse! Count the Orange out. Sorry Cuse fans---ain't gonna happen this year, according to the stats. Good luck tomorrow, Jayhawks!

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


Your observations are spot on, but never be surprised or frustrated by persons in the moment laboring through disabusing themselves of their illusions. :-)

KCinNC 10 years, 2 months ago

I want to be proud of Turgeon because he's part of the family and all, but I'm finding myself embarssed by his words and actions.

Alec White 10 years, 2 months ago

I recommend that our fans stop posting negative comments during the game. I really hope that players and coaches don't read it---it's quite embarrasing. I know I've been guilty of this before (even yesterday I might add) but it's getting ridiculous that 3 out of 4 posts are slamming our Hawks'. And it gets even better when the people who are doing the hating refuse to come back on the board later in the game to recognize their mistakes. Look everyone, we're 31-2 and on the verge of the #1 overall seed in the Big Dance, yet judging by our comments were a bubble team lacking effort. We might win it all this year, we might not...either way I'm going to root for our Hawks' and be glad of the season they gave us.

newyorkjayhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

I've noticed a difference since the first season Bill Self was here. I'm sure most bloggers are tired of hearing the differences between Self and Williams, but tonight was a perfect example... Kansas has been so much tougher, physically aggressive, and hard nosed over the past 200 victories, than when Roy was around. Consider the magical comeback against a GREAT Georgia Tech team at home (i believe we were down 19 in the second half of that game) in Self's first season. Consider the sensational 9 point comeback in the final 2 minutes in the title game of 2008. There are many more examples, but tonight was one of them. Texas A&M is a good team. Not a great team, but a very good team. They lack a true center, they don't have a whole lot of reliable scoring options outside of Sloan, but they're a VERY tough defensive unit and they have a nice amount of experience on their team (not to mention, good coaching). But without taking care of the ball and one of our better players being in foul trouble ALL GAME, Kansas simply swung their way to victory. We couldn't gracefully glide through the match up, so we slugged our way out. I credit Sherron and his competitiveness, sure, but this is indicative of the kind of team Self seems to create. We have tons of talent, but when that fails us, we have loads of muscle. We're blessed with depth this year, and tons of experience... and we just so happen to also have the best point guard and center in the country, but our grit is what might take us to the promised land this season. Credit HCBS for teaching these guys how to take a punch to the chin and still come out knocking the other team down. GREAT win. Ugly, sure... but GREAT.

Dan Harris 10 years, 2 months ago

Soobawls and thetus are you two for real? While I disagree with Jaybate from time to time he was absolutely spot on with ALL his posts today. CS is a freaking genius and his coaching(switching to the 2-3 zone) changed the whole tempo of the game. SC is the best point guard in the country hands down without question and he simply wasn't going to let HIS team lose today! RCJH bring anther big 12 title home boys.

Dan Harris 10 years, 2 months ago

Rock-Chalk-25 I'm with you, the always negative soobawls runs and hides at the end of games never coming back and saying he/she was wrong.

Dan Harris 10 years, 2 months ago

Looks like it's going to be the puddycats, Stupidmichael are you scared yet?

Helen Gross 10 years, 2 months ago

Isn't tomorrows game on ESPN? It says Big 12 Network at the top of the page, PLEASE tell me that it's on ESPN!

James122 10 years, 2 months ago

jessyjhawk--yes, a minus 1 point for every fg and 3 pt missed.

Boards against ksu will be tough. the 2 gaurds, clemente and pullen had a total of 50 points tonight.

Go Hawks!!

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 2 months ago

Baylor really didn't want KU this year.

How sweet it will be to have 3 wins against "Ernie" and company.

Who will be considered the "home team" for the championship game?

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

wow....... didn't want to meet them a 3rd and sure don't want a 4th....... hope we have it in us to play 40 minutes and START strong plus play a fired up intense game and put the pussycats away one more time!! i can't bear the thought of losing to them and HELPING them in the ncaa bracket............. let's go hawks!!!!!!! fight hard and put them down. RCJH....... 7 more times!!!!!!!!

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

ku is definitely the HOME team and hopefully the winning team, right?!! we ARE the top seed!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

Rock-Chalk-25--I mentioned it above earlier---the negative posts are getting ridiculous. I am ignoring them and staying positive.

Looks like the Mildcats again! Can you believe this? KU and K-State have not met in the Final since 1981? Back then, it wasn't the Big 12--it was the Big 8.

KU wins---overall #1 seed in the Big Dance.

KU loses---#1 seed still intact.

K-State wins---would the Wildcats chase that elusive fourth #1 seed?

Any thoughts?

lovemyhawks 10 years, 2 months ago

that's what i'm afraid of........... and if not, will they send them to okla city too as the 2??????

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 2 months ago

I'll correct myself before anybody has a chance. It's "Bert and company". My Sesame Street memories are a little fuzzy sometimes.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


You gave me a good laugh. soobawls as coach. Some things are mercifully not meant to be.

in soobawls defense, he has a keen analytic mind, but everyone with such a mind always goes through a crucible sooner or later of having to connect up the analytic half of their brain with the creative half, or spend the rest of their life wondering why all their logical expectations are not proving consistent with actual outcomes.

The world is neither entirely linear and logical, nor entirely nonlinear and illogical. It is both. Keen minds like soobawls usually eventually come to the realization and then become enormously effective persons. This is why I constantly side with him about his logical expectations when they hold in a realm where logic and linearity are the coins of the realm, but diverge with him when things go nonlinear.

What will happen with soobawls one day is what happened with me a long time ago, too. He will begin to explore nonlinear logic and nonlinear mathematics and modelling and strategic game theory overlays on linear modelling and he will see that one must always take both into consideration to usefully explain what is happening and what is about to happen. No one can grasp the present or come close to forecasting outcomes without taking both into account always.

soobawls is so right about so many specifics that sooner or later he will have to ask himself, what exactly is he leaving out of the analysis?

There is this great, profound throw off line in the movie "The Untouchables" starring Kevin Costner and directed by Brian de Palma.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Costner and his Untouchables are on horse back waiting to bust a bootleg shipment crossing the Canadian and USA border. If I recall correctly, they are meeting with some by the book Canadian Mounted police. Everyone is giving their opinions about how to get the drop on the bootleggers.

The bumptious leader of the Mounties says:

"...we will engage from the Canadian side of the bridge. Thus taking them by surprise from the rear. (pause) And surprise, as you very well know, Mr Ness, is half the battle.

Ness with gun in hand and aware that this Mountie just does not understand how tough it is in Chicago says:

"Surprise is half the battle. Many things are half the battle. Losing is half the battle. Let's think about what is all the battle. Let's take the fight to them, gentlemen!"

And at that moment things go nonlinear, because of Ness' Untouchables will to defeat Capone at any cost and by any means necessary under the tutelage of a wisened old beat cop played by Sean Connery.

One cannot forecast battle outcomes, or triggers of success, or human response to adversity by linear means alone. Human beings are both linear and nonlinear in their thinking. They are driven by their thinking. Their actions thus become products of linearity and nonlinearity of purpose, thought, intensity, and method.

Nothing linearly forecasts the final 9 minutes of the KU game against TAM. You can only foresee that outcome if you also take into account nonlinear tendencies in Self's thinking, decision making, and motivation.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Bill Self is linear about many things. Hard work pays off. Forever trying to get better is the Tao. Beating opponents by playing them at their own game, so as to take away their ability to dictate tempo, is mostly linear in concept.

But Bill Self brims with nonlinearity. You can hear it everytime he speaks. He uses English, but it is a different kind of English. It is the English of a man who can and does think linearly and nonlinearly, shifts gears between them almost seamlessly, and times thinks both ways simultaneously. His comments often seem almost childlike in their simplicities, but the longer you watch his teams you see that the simplicities are nonlinear expressions in speech. Speech is very linear. It is one word after the other. It is sentence upon sentence, but as anyone knows who has thought long and hard about anything, reality is not just linear. It is multidimensional and it is interrelated, or at least can be, on many levels. A great coach is getting to essenses on so many levels, when he is making decisions, that most of us haven't a clue how he is doing what he is doing. And Bill Self would have a very great deal of trouble explaining how he and his staff knew to go small and zone at the moment that they did, but they would be able to say that it is an approach that they have tried at different times during the year to alter the momentum of the game. They ran it against KSU in Lawrence the night I attended that game. They couldn't swear it would work at the 9-10 minute mark against TAM, but Self knew on some partly linear, but partly nonlinear level to do it.

But so far everyone has missed the most brilliant move of all of Bill Self in this TAM game.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Think about just how long he played what amounts to a gimmick defense and offense. I know for sure that I would have switched back to my normal scheme as soon as KU pulled even. I would have said, "Okay, the surprise did its job, now let's get serious." But Self rode the horse as far as it would take him. That is something only great jockeys and great coaches know how to do and know how long to do. It is a feeling, an nonlinear logic at work in their minds about how long is long enough. Self outsmarted Turg not once but twice. Turg wasn't ready when Self made the move to a short team zoning and gunning it up from trey. But then Turg made the truly fatal error of his coaching game today, when he kept expecting Self to change back to his regular scheme. The moment Turg waited he was dead. For from that moment of hesitation about calling time out and rescheming to meet Self's tactic, Self had Turg. Self kept riding that horse all the way down the home stretch and the longer Turg waited, the more certain it would be that Self would counter move against Turg the moment Turg finally did call a timeout. If Turg had counter moved immediately, Self would have counter moved and Turg would have had time to counter move again. But as the TAM lead vanished and then the KU lead widened, Turg would always be countering out of weakness, not out of strength. Turg was caught in his own misunderstanding of Bill Self. Turg thought if TAM just stood pat, Self would revert to his trusted tendencies, the tendencies that Turg had schemed so well in preparation for; the tendencies that so many KU fans on this board complain about as being too predictable. But it is their very predictability that allows Self to be so effective when he goes nonlinearly away from them...and he always does when he feels it is the only way to get a win.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago

Say this about Bill Self: he is a very proud man about how the game ought to be played, but he is never too proud to let his pride come between him and a win he thinks he needs in order to get better.

Bill Self will take losses when he thinks it will help his team get better.

He will let them labor, when he thinks it will help his team get better.

And as Mark Turgeon learned the hard way today, Bill Self will let his team labor for 30 minutes before going nonlinear into a short team playing zone and holding an opponent scoreless for 9 minutes, while his team opens fire for 23 unanswered points.

Think about how audacious it was to go small against a TAM team that was so good defensively it could stop our best defensive and offensive team...our big team.

Really, this was Bill Self at his finest. Larry Brown never pulled a better move. Some as good. But none better. This move today was as good as the gambling defense he elected to have his team play from tip off versus Roy and UNC in '08!

The guy is a genius...but as always it proves to be genius only if they players produce. And man, oh man, how the KU Jayhawks produced the last 9:30 of the game!

Great to hear from you, jessehawk.

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 2 months ago

james122--- Sherron took 19 FGA, 7 of which were 3 pt attempts. He made 9 fg 3 of which were 3 pointers. According to your calcs you are subtracting 2 pts for each 3 pointer missed. He did not take 19 2 point shots plus 7 3 point attempts. He only took 19 shot attempts total. If you deduct 2 points for a missed trey, you should credit him 2 points for a made trey. That's my opinion for what it's worth. I like your analysis but make it fair.

Dan Harris 10 years, 2 months ago

Jaybate- you were doing so good keeping your posts to 100 words or less but you just couldn't let the day end without one of your "deep thought" rambling posts could you?lol

Mike Kendall 10 years, 2 months ago

jaybate--- I continue to enjoy your posts, I don't care how long they are. Don't be discouraged by others who complain about how long your posts may be.

That zone Self used was a great move on his part---definitely genius!

Woody Cragg 10 years, 2 months ago

Trob would've had more minutes earlier in the year if this team didn't play so complacently, and therefore would be more battle ready for the big minutes. Sometimes these guys play like it's their friggin birthright to be ranked #1. I'm still waiting for them to play like it for more then 10 minutes a a time. They just looked horendous for the first 30 minutes of this game. Like the OSU game. Just awful. I would have liked to see Withey get more minutes also, cause there are times when Cole plays like total crap. 4 to's in the first 3 minutes. Self is one of the best for sure, but I think he missed alot of opportunities to get these other guys ready. He may regret it a couple of games into the dance. Trob & Withey both play with a sense of urgency that is not there in the others quite often. Had they more exp. in conference play, they would not be nearly as nervous now. Even when Russel Robinson was a freshman turning it over all the time, he took his butt chewings and played. It's like BS doesn't want to ride some of these guys for some reason. I say put em in the fire early cause it'll pay big dividends later. There's no doubt some of these guys could have contributed much more if they had been given the opportunity. We could sure use the help when these guys play like they did tonight. You play good D by moving your feet squarely in front of your man and for some reason these guys just have spells when they don't even try to move. Surely they're not tired all the time. One thing they lack for sure is quickness. TT is the only starter that has real quickness and it's out of control alot. Maybe a good description would be that they play with a lack of intensity. I told my son about a minute before half that they just needed to get pissed off. Getting damn good and mad can make some people do their best work. Look what Herb Brooks did for the 1980 Hockey team. Vince Lombardi said "fear is the greatest motivator." I also think we saw a little of that in Collins tonight. Losing pisses him off. It pisses me off too.

Scott Smetana 10 years, 2 months ago

This just in...

ESPN plans to broadcast UConn vs. UNC tomorrow in a consolation matchup instead of the Big 12 champtionship.

Chad Hallack 10 years, 2 months ago

okay, here goes...

to architecthawk dude in Korea... yes it is sweet. Rock Chalk my brother!

to Jaybate... mooost excellent Larry Brown reference! I'll bet he was watching, and with a nice fat smirk on his face. Turgeon definitely learned well.

Self coached a great game. Deciding to go zone was a good move. Deciding to stay with it and go small after Cole's 4th was a great move and the turning point of the game. But give the bulk of the credit to the players for responding and executing. They played excellent ball the last nine minutes and out of this world for 5 of those 9.


For anybody who's still not sure who the best guard in the country is, you may stop wondering now.


So what's up with all the "I don't think we can win it all so just enjoy it while it's here" talk? If anything, this game should reinforce our belief in our team and our coach and here's why... We sucked for most of the 1st half and the start of the 2nd. Like Coach said, our effort was good, but we did not play well at all. I understand the cause for concern.

However, for as badly as we played the 1st half and the start of the 2nd we were never down by more than 7 and that is my point. That's how good we are. aTm is a really good team and will hurt people in the dance. We're just that good.

Anybody out east that saw the last 10 minutes of that game will bed down tonight with an uneasy feeling knowing that the best team in the nation isn't anywhere near the Atlantic Ocean or bluegrass for that matter. We sometimes lack energy and focus, but guess what? So does everybody else! We tend to play to the lever of the competition at times. We also play up to good competition and come crunch time we excell and when we're excelling we excell better than anybody else. And there is nobody in the country I would rather have with the ball in their hands and the game on the line than Sherron Collins.

I've watched a lot of games this year and I can objectively say that we ARE the prohibitive favorite to win it all. If we play our best ball we win by double digits no matter who the opponent is. Our great is greater than your great!


By the way, the ACC is sorry and I will be continuing my long tradition of finishing at or near the top of whatever pool I enter while not picking Duke to win a single game....


Looking forward to playing a game against K-State that matters... Get some sleep boys, got a big one tomorrow.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Chad Hallack 10 years, 2 months ago


Knight's Rock Chalk chant comment made me smile, but the soundbite of the night (and maybe the year) goes to Musberger. With about 2:30 left and KU up 15 he said, and I quote...

       "Collins with a deep 3... just because he wanted to."

tetonjhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Tonight was my favorite game of the year.
The toughness mantra was showpony'd and delivered. Confidence in the face of awkward (and poor)play was obvious. Late season resolve and dedication to the mission are on point. The last two games, players have been eligible for technicals. Haven't seen that. I see swagger with substance and can comfortablystate that this particular team, with its strengths and faults analyzed ad nauseum, is peaking brilliantly. They seem to gain the identity that we crave only with challenge to their potential. They destroyed Turg's crew at the very idea that they could out tough us. How dare they!?! We've all noticed this about Sherron. Even if it seems contrived; that chip drives him and now the others. Can they fabricate this emotional vortex 7 times more? It seems exhausting, but I'm 44.

Jim Pendleton 10 years, 2 months ago

Everyone needs to calm down about what the outcome of Saturday's game will do to not only us, but the kitty kats as well.

One, Hawks are a number one regardless. Having made it to the title game, think there is a good chance we can be # 1 overall win or lose, but obviously a win Saturday should pretty much clinch this.

Two, Kentucky still has one or two games left this weekend. Playing Tenn Saturday whom they already lost to once. Hopefully they lose again this weekend which would be the clincher.

Three, KSU will not be a one seed, win or lose Saturday. Their two losses last week (one at home to ISU) knocked out any chance of that. The two wins in KC so far may be enough to get them a two seed, but no higher. Look for KSU & WVa to be the 2 & 3 seeds in some region setting up a possible Sweet 16 game for the Cats against Huggins. You heard it here first.

Four, KSU will be in the same site as us in Okla City. However, we will both likely be in different regions. Remember that top four seeds are now placed in the closest geographic location as possible for the first & second round, and it doesn't matter what region you are in. KU & KSU are both closest to Okla City. We will be there for sure, and I can't picture anyone else ahead of KSU getting sent to OKC over them.

I brought this up in a post earlier, but they made another annoucement at game tonight about tickets still being available for Okla City. Jayhawk Nation needs to snap the rest of these up before the kitties do. It is 99.99999% we are playing in OKC next weekend, so let's make this happen.

KU as the higher seed is the home team tomorrow. If we wind up as # 1 overall, we would be the home team in every NCAA game as well. You might recall we were the fourth # 1 in San Antonio, and played both games as visiting team. That is how it works for post-season games.

Let's get the hat trick tomorrow against the kitties!! Rock Chalk!!

tetonjhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Coach is far and away the standard for college basketball today. His creativity in all aspects is frankly astounding. Recruiting, game to game coaching, philosophy of his general ideals. The family mentality. The stubborness of defensive principles. I can only guestimate the genius of the day to day identity molding that prepares young men for the inevitable challenges charged to KU basketball players. Just witness Tyshawn in the last month. X tonight. Keef quietly recently. Solid development!

Joel Thomas 10 years, 2 months ago

soobawls's and to a lesser extent Theutus's comments resonate with the fear that we all have that comes with being the best team in the country. Watching the game there were times when of course we played poorly, but to expect constant perfection is masochism. Look how bad we play and we win relatively comfortably by game's end. Arguing against Self's coaching (all facets) acumen is impossible. Sure some of your points are spot-on but ultimately these points are catapulted by the weight of truth. You are downers and it's tiring. I couldn't imagine watching a game with you. We almost always play tough and those stretches (very long stretches should you take the time to watch other squads around the country, even very good teams) of simply pretty, pretty basketball I would think would serve as the corrective to your perspective. Seriously, power up your Tivo and check out some of this year's games. It's pretty awesome to watch.

tetonjhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Have we really seen an outstanding, efficient offensive team all year? Barely. That is not our identity this year. I think that is what spooks us all. The arbitrary nod to Sherron to maybe just lose his mind(and shoot us out of the game), the younger players to freeze up and defer to Sherron. Then it feel like we have few offensive options. But then, just then, the timeout. And X just starts draining threes. Tyshawn blazes down and make the transition lay up/4footer shot that John Wall never misses. Then the defensive intensity. I think we may be watching the storm being assembled.

jaybate 10 years, 2 months ago


Don't you get it?

I can only go long and short and in between.

Just like you can only go short.

We do what we are and become what we do.

Think about it.

Come in, jhawkdan42. I'm just sharing what's possible--short, medium and long--in this medium. Don't be afraid. The iWater's fine.

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