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Originally published March 1, 2010 at 11:28a.m., updated March 1, 2010 at 11:49a.m.

Jayhawks fall one spot to No. 2 in both polls this week

KU still grabs six first-place votes

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After falling in Stillwater to Oklahoma State, the Kansas Jayhawks found themselves falling to second place in the AP Top 25 poll out Monday morning.

The Kentucky Wildcats, who had been No. 2, lost at Tennessee and fell to No. 3. The Syracuse Orange are the new top team, picking up 59 of 65 first place votes.

The Kansas Jayhawks picked up the other six.

There are four Big 12 teams ranked in the top 25, though seven conference teams received at least one vote.

In the ESPN/USA Today Coaches' poll, the Jayhawks were also ranked No. 2 behind Syracuse. They picked up seven of 31 first place votes.

Five Big 12 teams were ranked in the coaches poll, and six Big 12 teams received at least one vote.

See how Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan voted.

AP Poll

The top 25 teams in The Associated Press’ college basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through Feb. 28, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote and previous ranking:

  1. Syracuse (59) 27-2 1,618 4
  2. Kansas (6) 27-2 1,550 1
  3. Kentucky 27-2 1,493 2
  4. Duke 25-4 1,415 5
  5. Kansas St. 24-4 1,377 6
  6. Ohio St. 23-7 1,232 9
  7. Purdue 24-4 1,169 3
  8. New Mexico 27-3 1,151 10
  9. Villanova 23-5 1,143 7
  10. West Virginia 22-6 1,024 8
  11. Michigan St. 22-7 960 14
  12. Butler 26-4 762 15
  13. Vanderbilt 22-6 741 16
  14. BYU 26-4 633 13
  15. Wisconsin 21-7 625 17
  16. Tennessee 21-7 615 19
  17. Pittsburgh 22-7 612 12
  18. Gonzaga 24-5 554 18
  19. Georgetown 19-8 548 11
  20. Temple 24-5 547 20
  21. Baylor 22-6 393 24
  22. Maryland 21-7 249 —
  23. Texas A&M; 20-8 210 22
  24. UTEP 22-5 124 —
  25. Xavier 21-7 101 —

Others receiving votes: Texas 94, Richmond 44, N. Iowa 32, Oklahoma St. 24, Marquette 21, Missouri 13, Illinois 10, Utah St. 9, Virginia Tech 8, Mississippi St. 7, UAB 6, Cornell 5, Louisville 4, Notre Dame 1, Old Dominion 1.

Coaches Poll

ESPN/USA Today Poll

  1. Syracuse (23) 27-2 766
  2. Kansas (7) 27-2 741
  3. Kentucky 27-2 698
  4. Duke (1) 25-4 694
  5. Kansas State 24-4 659
  6. Purdue 24-4 585
  7. Ohio State 23-7 559
  8. West Virginia 22-6 526
  9. Villanova 23-5 509
  10. New Mexico 27-3 494
  11. Butler 26-4 480
  12. Michigan State 22-7 429
  13. Tennessee 21-7 346
  14. Gonzaga 24-5 341
  15. Brigham Young 26-4 337
  16. Temple 24-5 293
  17. Wisconsin 21-7 258
  18. Pittsburgh 22-7 255
  19. Vanderbilt 22-6 246
  20. Georgetown 19-8 240
  21. UTEP 22-5 121
  22. Baylor 22-6 104
  23. Maryland 21-7 102
  24. Texas A&M; 20-8 92
  25. Texas 22-7 43

Others Receiving Votes

Northern Iowa 40, Xavier 28, Utah State 24, Cornell 15, Clemson 10, Virginia Tech 9, Richmond 8, Saint Mary's 6, UNLV 6, Oklahoma State 6, California 2, Marquette 2, Murray State 1.

Comments

chicagoeddie 10 years, 3 months ago

the loses we had compared to syracuse, its a joke to think they are better than us... look at jeff goodmans article on foxsports.com. i think he hits it right on the spot with the jayhawks at #1.

Jonathan Kealing 10 years, 3 months ago

Sorry 'bout that. Typoed 25, when I meant 65.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

Jonathan Kealing 10 years, 3 months ago

Sorry 'bout that. Typoed 25, when I meant 65.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

MitchumMan 10 years, 3 months ago

Are the top 3 teams going to be battling it out for the Midwest Region? Syracuse can't play in Syracuse, so the next closest place is St. Louis, correct? I don't know if this is correct, but that sounds scary if it is! And sounds like we need to win the Big12 touney for sure.

MitchumMan 10 years, 3 months ago

Are the top 3 teams going to be battling it out for the Midwest Region? Syracuse can't play in Syracuse, so the next closest place is St. Louis, correct? I don't know if this is correct, but that sounds scary if it is! And sounds like we need to win the Big12 touney for sure.

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey Eddie....your team was absolutely dominated by Okie St; they had to scratch and claw their way back into a single digit loss. Your other loss was to a Tennessee team that had only seven scholarship players. Can you please tell me how those are "better" losses than Pitt and Louisville? You know as well as everyone else that the polls are a "what have you done for me lately" and "lately" was getting killed by Okie St. "Lately" for the Cuse is dominating a top ten team....

I am not going to bash Kansas as I think they're a solid team that has as much of a chance to win it all as anyone else, but please. A "joke" that the Cuse isn't better than Kansas? Isn't that a bit severe?

I do hope that my favorite team can have a rematch of either the 2003 or 1997 National Championship games and I'd like our chances against either team...

Good luck the rest of the way, hope to see you in Indy!!!

DC

d_prowess 10 years, 3 months ago

I love that someone in the coaches poll gave Duke a first place vote. crazy...

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 3 months ago

battle of top 5 teams on Wednesday....should be a whole lotta fun!

MNjayhawk82 10 years, 3 months ago

I can tell you how our two losses are better than yours, DCCuse. Losing to two tourney teams on the road is better then losing at home to Pitt and Louisville. Pitt is good (about equal to Tennessee) but Louisville is crap. And they were both at home. Enough said. Now if you wanna say that Syracuse deserves to be #1 because they beat Villanova and we lost, that is fine. But don't try and argue which losses are "better".

bad_dog 10 years, 3 months ago

Hmm, DCCuse, how do you categorize that non-con loss at home to Le Moyne? Aren't they a DII program? That sounds like an ignominious loss to me. And SU's other 2 losses were at home as well.

At least the Hawks lost on the road in hostile environments and not in Allen Field House. While a loss is a loss, that makes them "better" or at least more understandable losses, IMHO.

One thing we do share is that I believe the Hawks would love to have another shot at SU.

Good luck and hope to see you in Indy!

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

A question for KU Nation:

Would you rather be a #! in the West Regional in Salt Lake City, UT or a #2 in the Midwest Regional in St,Louis, MO?

My predictions for #1 Seeds:

West - Syracuse East - Duke South - Kentucky Midwest - Kansas

KU still has potentially five more regular season games, three of which will be difficult. [KSU,@MU, Conference Championship]. To hold our seeding I am afraid we may have to win them all.

All thoughts and comments would be most appreciated.

apeoples410 10 years, 3 months ago

DCCuse: Thanks for getting that freakin Janet Jackson song stuck in my head!

kellyrojo78 10 years, 3 months ago

Its hard to believe that the KSTATE KU game will not be televised nationally on Wed. 2 vs 5 and I am going to have to watch on the net? What? Anyway, SU deserves to be #1. They are in a better conference and we were the last to lose. This just gives KU something to be hungry for. If you watched both games Sat, Cuse was much better looking. I still think KU goes further in the tourny

Scott Smetana 10 years, 3 months ago

Cuse definitely deserves a #1 seed...they'd be scary good with Flynn. However, I'm disgusted at everyone saying the Big East is the best conference. Besides Syracuse, I don't see much.

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

MN,

Again, I didn't get on your board to trash your team. I am respectfully disagreeing and stating that the two losses by each team are somewhat similar. Syracuse loses to #10 RPI Pitt and #41 Louisville, two teams and coaches that usually give the Cuse fits. In both games Cuse had a double digit lead, seemed to have become complacent and then couldn't turn it back on. Kansas losses were to #14 Tennessee and #25 Okie State, the second of which wasn't close the entire game. Syracuse is undefeated away from home, which some would say (including this writer) is more impressive than being undefeated at home.

And this doesn't even warrant a response but the lawyer in me can't help but post a rebuttal -- but LeMoyne was a preseason game in which Boeheim played man to man defense with mostly freshman to shut the media and the Cuse fanbase up who whine about them not playing more man to man defense, and more freshman. I think it worked since no one is complaining about them playing man to man or more young kids, don't you? Mentioning the LeMoyne game is about as nonsensical as me telling you that the white team beat the blue team in Kansas' Midnight Madness scrimmage which should concern you....

Again, the Cuse will be a tough out come tourney time. The only team I, as a lifelong fan, fear is another Big East team; not because I believe them to be superior, but because they have shown the ability to play against the best 2-3 zone in the country.

And I do agree with you - the Big 12 doesn't get the props it deserves. I'd blame it on a highly overrated Texas team as Kansas and Texas were supposed to be the class of the conference. Who knew that the class would reside in Manhattan, at A&M, etc. instead? Now will I say the Big 12 is better than the Big East? I won't go that far, but I will agree that its closer than many think.

Good luck Rock Chalk fans - and again.....I hope to see both Kansas and Kentucky in Indy where we can all put our proverbial money where are mouths are and see what happens....What a FF that would be....

DC

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 3 months ago

chicagoeddie & others:

Unfortunately it's not about who we lost to or where compared to Syracuse or anyone else. Sad fact is, right now it is when the loss occurs. Even losses in conference tournaments can punish teams sometimes unfairly. I also thought that had Purdue been able to beat Michigan State yesterday, there was a good chance we could of moved down to # 3, again just because of timing.

The bigger question will be how the "Selection Committee" values the losses, as well as wins, and seeds the top 4. It will be interesting to see how they figure out a way to honor those first round pods in keeping the top 4 as close to home as possible. Regardless, it would be nice if KU were to be able to play the winner of the "play in" game and be in the Midwest.

With what is left, if KU comes back and wins out through the conference tournament there is a better than 50% chance KU will be back at the top of the AP Top 25 and ESPN/USA Today polls.

docileboy 10 years, 3 months ago

DCCuse; sounds like a knowledgeable individual. I don't have a problem with the Jayhawks not wearing that Number 1 bulls eye at this time. Frankly I hope we don't have to play against that damn zone, but if we do.....

Mike Kendall 10 years, 3 months ago

OakvilleJHawk--- Need I remind you, last year at Oklahoma City, KU opened up against Baylor and lost that game. Damn, I had tickets for the next two games, assuming the Jayhawks were going to beat the Bears. I ended up selling them to an Oklahoma State fan (Last year's Tourney Championship game was OU VS OSU, I believe). I don't think we can take anyone for granted. Every game is going to be tough from here on out. Even the K-State game is going to be tough. I think we should win, but it is not a gimmie.

TxJyHwk 10 years, 3 months ago

BCRaven - Kansas probably won't play the winner of the "play in" game regardless of our region. We will most likely play our 1st round in Oklahoma City, which is a Thursday/Sunday site. This means we CAN"T get the winner of the "play in" game. It will go to a team that plays in a Friday/Sunday site.

Scott Lippoldt 10 years, 3 months ago

DCCUSE, thanks for great posts from a different perspective and without bashing any team. Classy--I respect that. I think Syracuse/KU would be a great matchup. I just hope KU wouldn't be as cold from the line, as that would make for a looong evening!

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 3 months ago

TxJyHwk:

Good point. I completely forgot about the Friday/Sunday vs Thursday/Saturday schedule. I guess I would take the Oklahoma City pod 1st & 2nd round games over the "play in" opponent.

duanep5ku 10 years, 3 months ago

To DCCuse I do respect your post on here because you should a lot of class and knowledge. So Good luck with your team and maybe the two teams will play each other "Oh one thing bothers me why would Syracuse fans want to print up stupid t shirts about being number one again? Why not just wait till after the season ends and see if you do win the NCAA I guess you're fans have already counted the win over UL this weekend?

Phoggin_Loud 10 years, 3 months ago

If KU finishes out the Big XII schedule 15-1, they WILL be the overall #1 seed in the NCAA"s. Too many quality wins...but they must beat KSU & MU!!!!!! Let's roll, Baby!!

Phoggin_Loud 10 years, 3 months ago

Throw in a "Cuse loss @ Louisville this weekend, and voila.......#1 Overall!!

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

Duane -

I didn't know there were any new t-shirts being printed about being number 1 and I don't know if you're serious...But give me a link so I can buy one... Kidding, kind of....And we can't contain our excitement - unlike Kansas, we only get to #1 once every 20 years (not counting the final USA Today poll in 2003 - as you know, there isn't a final AP poll)....You guys are there every year, or so it seems....

Phoggin - I wouldn't doubt a loss to 'Ville this weekend - Pitino has Boeheim's number...I wouldn't even doubt a loss to the Johnnie's tomorrow night but the optimist in me says they play inspired with Rautins, AO and likely Wes Johnson's last night in the Dome....But as you guys well know having that #1 on your back inspires teams to come out and play lights out....

None of it will matter anyway....UK, KU and SU will be the three #1's and we'll see what happens when it matters....

I won't go so far as to start the Rock Chalk chant in unison with y'all...but good luck - Self runs a classy program with good kids and seems like a stand up guy who doesn't pick his nose on national TV like my favorite coach....and better yet, he doesn't spit in rivers for good luck...

DC

Phoggin_Loud 10 years, 3 months ago

DCCuse,

Boeheim is a class act, as well. He has his guys playing at a high level.
BTW, I don't think St. John's has a chance and my 'Ville prediction may be wishful thinking.

Best of luck in the Tourney. Maybe we'll see a 2003 rematch in the Finals.

kellyrojo78 10 years, 3 months ago

It is amazing the difference between the conversation here and on the Keegan acrticle. It is good to see people having an informed discussion about hoops and respecting each other's opinions (which are all valid here).

I dont think both of these teams will run the table but I believe one will. The one that does will be #1. Simply said.

Blake Post 10 years, 3 months ago

i see that freakin' utep up there at no. 24. Man, would I like to pay them back in spades!

100 10 years, 3 months ago

Didn't Syracuse lose to a Division 2 team in preseason?

100 10 years, 3 months ago

Here it is, Nov 4, this season Syracuse loses at home to Le Moyne:

From ESPN:

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Christopher Johnson and Laurence Ekperigin hooted and hollered as they skipped off Jim Boeheim Court, huge smiles creasing their faces and seemingly as stunned as the Orange at what had just transpired.

Johnson scored 17 of his 22 points in the second half, including a 3-pointer with 8.3 seconds remaining, and Division II Le Moyne stunned No. 25 Syracuse 82-79 in an exhibition game Tuesday night.

"We've got an experienced group," Le Moyne head coach Steve Evans said. "Did we ever think that a day like this would happen? Probably not. But we put together a game plan. We didn't want to play Syracuse's way. We wanted to play our way."

gardenjay 10 years, 3 months ago

I feel like KU fans that we are, it is pretty weak how we need to hold onto an arbitrary ranking. Who cares if we're #2? Big deal if S is #1. So what? My favorite KU team was a Cinderella that won it ALL after getting very little love in the rankings.

Those are things you remember. Thank you Danny.

brooksmd 10 years, 3 months ago

100...That was already noted in an earlier post.

gardenjay...2008 team didn't get much love either. Remember how Vitale and everyone was sent scrambling for things to say after the destruction of UNC. And then given absolutely no chance of beating such a remarkable team from Memphis under the superb guidance of John Calipari. That remarkable team who couldn't hit freebie's and that great coach who got totally out-coached when all the marbles were on the line. But I do remember saying in 1988, "Holy cow they're gonna try and run with Oklahoma!" 1988 and 2008, two great teams. Now let's add 2010.

DCCuse....we love good posters. Hope to hear more from you as we get into tournament action. But since I live near Nawlin's and was in the Dome in 2003, I'll be lookin' for some payback.

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

100,

I hit the ignore button on you, dude....Read my above post please and then tell me why the Blue beating the White team in Kansas' Midnight Madness game meant anything more/less than the Cuse/LeMoyne exhibition game. You gonna strip the Saints of the Superbowl title cuz they lost to the Dolphins in preseason week 4, too? And I know you only said that to get a response...and it worked....dammit I hate that....

Brook,

I wish I could have been in the Dome with you in 03 although I don't think you'd have liked me much, and for the record I was rooting hard for Kansas against Cheatapari and team. That was one of the best NC games I have ever seen (other than, ahem, one other one that I won't mention).

I'll be back on here come tourney time so we can discuss seeds, matchups, et al.

The talk is the Cuse will be sent South and I'll definitely be hitting that set of games in Houston - short flight from the ATL where I reside now....

Good luck, and no matter what lets make sure the new version of Cheatapari doesn't win it all....ANYONE but him....I'd root for Georgetown and UConn over that....

DC

samfrmsyracuse 10 years, 3 months ago

sorry kansas fans , but on this post you have retard eddie and phoggin_loud that should not even open their mouths. c'mon already , the lemoyne lose is that all you got . we have no top 150 players , but we lead in quite a few areas in what they call a team effort . listen you dont deserve number 1 syracuse doesnt deserve number 1 .they have different style of play . all most syracuse fans would like to see as you is the march to april in cutting down the nets . hey eddie whats the biggest upsets in the ncaa tourny? ex: a # 32 beating a# 8 . lets see how much of a college fan in basketball and not your left hand or is it the right one for you . their has been more upsets in a #? beating a #? . fill in the blanks or put your special helmet on and get on that short bus

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

ralster, if that's a pic of you I suggest we meet up for drinks one day....LOL

DCCuse 10 years, 3 months ago

Also, no need to answer sam - someone let him out of St Joe's Psych center without his meds. I have no idea what he is saying, could be the lack of punctuation that confuses me....

FWIW, Sherron and Aldrich can think of last year but I truly don't think it matters. Both teams are much different team than last year in that they are much, much better; your addition of Xavier as well as added experience and ours of less selfish players (minus Flynn and Devo) makes each exponentially better.

I would love to see a Cuse/Kansas match up and think it would be a great game between the two best teams in the country.

I'll be back on here to talk hoops again, I am sure. Most of you guys seem like cool people....

DC

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