Sunday, January 31, 2010

’Cats meant to foul

KSU suffered ‘major breakdown’

Kansas State head coach Frank Martin screams at his bench during the first half Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010 at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas State head coach Frank Martin screams at his bench during the first half Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010 at Bramlage Coliseum.


Reader poll

Which Jayhawk was most vital in the overtime period of KU's 81-79 victory over Kansas State?

  • Sherron Collins 63% 2098 votes
  • Cole Aldrich 21% 721 votes
  • Tyshawn Taylor 11% 369 votes
  • Other 2% 95 votes

3283 total votes.

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— Following Kansas University’s 81-79 overtime victory over Kansas State, many Wildcat fans might have wondered why KSU didn’t opt to foul the Jayhawks late in overtime.

With 41 seconds left in OT, the Jayhawks had the ball and a one-point lead.

“We were supposed to (foul). We were supposed to,” KSU coach Frank Martin said. “We had a major defensive breakdown there. I’m not into passing blame, but as a whole, we had a major breakdown there.”

Martin said KSU was trying not to foul KU guard Sherron Collins, who entered the game as the best free-throw shooter in the Big 12 at 87.3 percent.

Right after Collins crossed midcourt, KU set a ball screen. For most of the game, KSU had trapped the ball-handler after a screen.

The problem was that KSU freshman Wally Judge arrived late, and Collins dribbled by him.

“Deep in the corner on the half-court line, that should have been a hard trap. Hard trap,” Martin said. “But we didn’t do it. He turned the corner and went.”

Following a timeout with 16 seconds left, Collins took the ball to the basket, making a bank shot while drawing a foul on Judge.

“Wally was a little late on the rotation there, but once again, it gets back to the same thing: You’ve got a grown man in Sherron, and you’ve got a young kid in Wally,” Martin said. “Wally’s a little late, but with all that said, Sherron gets knocked down and still scores the ball.”

Earlier, KSU had a chance to win at the end of regulation after a steal by Dominique Sutton, but his potential game-winning shot was swatted away by KU’s Tyrel Reed.

Martin didn’t complain about the no-call afterward.

“I’ve got no idea. I don’t talk about officiating. They’ve got a hard job to do,” Martin said. “ ... It’s a bang-bang play. Whether he got fouled or didn’t get fouled, us sitting here talking about it right now doesn’t change the play.”

Martin, who called KU’s Cole Aldrich the best center in the country, said his team built too big of a deficit early in the second half.

“Unfortunately, you can’t do that when you play big-boy teams, because they’re not just going to turn around and say, ‘All right. It’s OK. We took a lead. It’s your turn now,’” Martin said. “This is not the WWE. It’s real.”

KSU guard Jacob Pullen scored 22 points on 8-for-18 shooting despite a tumultuous night. He threw up in a trash can on the side of the bench early in the first half and also left the game briefly after getting hit in the nose midway through the second half.

“If I would have broke something that game, I probably would have tried to play,” Pullen said.

Pullen laughed with fellow Chicago native Collins before the second half began, as Collins joked to an official that Pullen was holding him. Pullen quickly fired back, denying the false charge with a smile.

Pullen credited Collins for his clutch play.

“There’s not too many other guards who a coach would just give the keys to and just tell him to go,” Pullen said. “Sherron does that.”


truefan 7 years ago

"There's not too many other guards who a coach would just give the keys to and just tell him to go," Pullen said. "Sherron does that."...Couldn't have said it better.

jaybate 7 years ago

If Martin ever gets players, as good as KU gets, look out!

This guy can coach!

waywardJay 7 years ago

jaybate. i'm hoping he gets shuttled to the ACC or the Big East.... SOmewhere I can Root for him to succeed even more....

Great Coaching. Great YOung players. Judge was better than i expected, so was Samuels. Macgruder can play. These young players for K-State could be troubl ein 2 years.

mojayhawk 7 years ago

Wayward. They're trouble now! What a game. Two tough teams.

Edward Daub 7 years ago

Is Martin screaming "Foul Somebody!"? Strategic blunder at the End of OT by KSU, you have to extend the Game!

NebraskaJayhawk 7 years ago

I didn't realize Martin was that classy. That comment he made about the no-call at the end of regulation was a great quote and a lesson for many coaches.

“I’ve got no idea. I don’t talk about officiating. They’ve got a hard job to do,” Martin said. “ ... It’s a bang-bang play. Whether he got fouled or didn’t get fouled, us sitting here talking about it right now doesn’t change the play.”

The play did look clean though in slow-mo...

BigBrett58 7 years ago

Solomon, there was less than 41 seconds left. I don't remember exactly, but I believe there was about 36.5 seconds left when KU got the ball with the full 35 seconds on the shot clock. The ball got knocked out of bounds at about 20 seconds remaining. KSU nearly stole the ball. Sherron got the inbounds pass. I'm nearly positive that there was only about 1 second between the shot and game clock.

Dyrk Dugan 7 years ago

i thought it was a 4 or 5 second differential.

first of all, i don't believe it. (Martin saying they were supposed to foul.) if that's the case, then why no foul? i mean we ran off 30 seconds...and even called a timeout. it makes no sense. i'm not seeing a quote from a player saying they were supposed to foul.

i think KSU was planning on turning us over again. If this is all coach speak about situations they go over in practice, then he's wrong. in this situation, you HAVE to foul...and that means explicitly telling your kids to do so.

in the KC star this a.m., Whitlock says he couldn't believe the no call on the Sutton drive at the end of OT. as mentioned above, Reed didn't foul him. he flipped the ball away clean as a whistle. and if you have some beef about him getting bumped beforehand....well, that didn't stop him from getting close to the basket. and if that foul had been called, it would have been a travesty.

Morningstar didn't foul earlier on the steal and the and one...he had the position. So, if Reed had been called, what a joke that would have been.

KU made just enough plays at the end....and pulled out a tough one. 26-1 now in Manhattan. not bad at all.

63Jayhawk 7 years ago

It was a 5 second differential when KU got the ball.

Carter Patterson 7 years ago

Kudos to the KSU coach. I like this guy. I think this is the type of game that makes us better. KSU is getting the talent now. Perhaps U of Miami will call on him to come home. They seem to be struggling at 15-5 and 1-5 in conference.

ike6556 7 years ago

Sherron, Marcus and Cole played the game we expected them to play. (Not to take away from their incredible performances). Tyshawn, getting blasted by ESPN, that “he was scared” during the OT is ridiculous. His play created fouls by KSU that led to points at the charity stripe. In a game where X was of minimal impact, Brady, Tyrel and Tyshawn made the game a team win.

Martin Rosenblum 7 years ago

I think Cole's last rebound saved the game. He was risking getting his 5th foul and battled 3 players to hold onto the ball preventing a KSU long pass and potential final basket to put them ahead.

Eric Williams 7 years ago

Tyshawn made some HORRIBLE passes that almost cost us the game in regulation.

He needs to stop bounce passing and put it in the players chest.

I think it was pretty telling that Reed didn't play much in the 2nd half (Self must not think he's ready defensively). Also no sign of Robinson, Johnson or CJ Henry. I think Self is finally starting to settle on a rotation.

Tony Bandle 7 years ago

If anybody has time, go to the website for the movie "Legion" [which is very cool by the way]. Frank looks exactly like the evil character "The Ice Cream Man"..just hilarious!!!

I agree with the posters above..Frank could be a problem in the future from a coaching and recruiting standpoint, however, let's hope he never spends time on lane violations.

Those three errors by the Mildcats ended up being the difference.

Adam Evans 7 years ago

Aldrich said it perfectly to ESPN: "One day you will be done playing basketball, and you'll look back and say 'I LOVED playing in that game'". This was an amazing game from start to finish. KSU showed, again, why they will go deep in the NCAAs, and KU showed why they were the preseason favorites to win it all. You can't get any more clutch than KU was tonight. RCJHGKU!!!

waywardJay 7 years ago

Im not sure Tarheel.... after nights sleep ... they lack a TRUE point guard and were inconsistant offensively.... this could be an elite eight team this could be a first round loser.....

hawk316 7 years ago

jhawk613, I'm assuming that Reed did not play as much because of matchups. We needed Tyshawn on Clemente who is extremely fast. Ironically, however, it was Tyrel's great defensive play at the end of regulation that may have saved the game for the Hawks. Great game!

JBurtin 7 years ago

"I'm not sure why you want to foul when you're down 1 with 41 seconds left. You are sure to get the ball back, and you can't anticipate you're going to give up a basket "and one."

Can someone explain the strategy?"

You can't anticipate and "and one" play, but you don't want the other team to waste nearly all the time left on the clock and hit a two (or even a three) and leave you with no time to do anything but run down court and hurl up a prayer. You're better off fouling and putting the other team in the position where the largest number of points they are likely to get is 2. Then you have time to call a time out and set up a play based on the number of free throws they hit. You still might need a 3 to tie, but at least now you should have enough time to pass the ball around a few times and get a good look.

hawk316 7 years ago

Regarding Tyshawn's play...yes, he made some bad passes, but we're fortunate to have him to play D on Clemente. Tyshawn's speed is a great asset. Plus, let's don't forget that he was clutch on the free throw line. I still believe that as Tyshawn continues to mature, he will become more consistent. His decision-making should improve and his talent and skills will become increasingly appreciated by the Jayhawk nation.

tical523 7 years ago

Yea I agree with all the comments about Coach Martin, he seems like a pretty cool dude and a legit coach. It sucks as a K.U. fan to admit it, but our rival schools both have respectable coaches, Coach Anderson at Mizzou is a real likable guy. The Big XII is second to none in coaching quality and it is making for a stronger and stronger conference every year.

Brandon Hull 7 years ago

Frank Martin is a dead ringer for Christopher Lee.

jayhawka15fan 7 years ago

The reason KSU should have fouled (and anybody else would have) is to extend the game in OT. Turn it into free throws and high speed offense, rather than putting all your eggs in the "five seconds to get a good shot" basket.

Kye Clark 7 years ago

"We were supposed to foul"...sound familiar? (ahem, Calisleazy)

AmmoCat 7 years ago

Greetings from Wildcat land. I just stopped by to read the articles and the comments. Fantastic game all around last night. You guys are to be congratulated for dealing with the environment so well. I also want to compliment you on the quality of the posts here. All to often, the crazies on both sides get out of hand and act really stupid. It is obvious this is a knowledgeable and rational crowd. Hopefully the game at the Phog will be just as entertaining...hopefully with a different outcome of course!

Good luck the rest of the way!

packywacky88 7 years ago

Enough of the Frank Martin Lovefest. The whole "angry" routine is getting old.

kmatlage 7 years ago

"Right after Collins crossed midcourt, KU set a ball screen. For most of the game, KSU had trapped the ball-handler after a screen.

The problem was that KSU freshman Wally Judge arrived late, and Collins dribbled by him."

For the record, this part of the article is incorrect. The player that didn't trap when they should have was #24, Kelly. Wally was just late on the rotation help defense after Sherron got around Kelly.

jayhawkintx73 7 years ago

The game was clean. And that is hard to get done in a rivalry like this, especially after last year's game there. Both teams left it all on the court. K-State played great defense down the stretch. They could be an elite 8 team.

Scott MacWilliams 7 years ago

What a GREAT game!!! I was watching with my father-in-law out here in Eugene, Oregon, home of the Lame Ducks (as far as hoops go...) He couldn't believe how intense the game was, and we'd jump back and forth to the Ducks men's game that was going on at Mac Court, about two blocks away. The contrast in the atmosphere was absolutely night and day. Folks in Oregon don't know what a REAL rocking game is like, like you lucky Jayhawks (and sometimes Wildcats) get to have.

I'm totally impressed by the Wildcats. They are for real, and will win a lot of games this year, and probably do fine in the NCAA's. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the Sweet 16.

But I had to wonder if Coach Martin realizes what he said in his postgame interview: “This is not the WWE. It’s real.”
Hey Coach, you better watch out for some of those WWE fans, they can be pretty rabid. Remember what happened to Andy Kaufman??? Better look out for that piledriver move, baby!!


aerohawk 7 years ago

Maybe I am crazy, but I love the fact that our two biggest rivals (Mizzou and KSU, yeah Texas is a big rival but we only play them once a year) have great coaches and are developing good teams. If the rivals we play most are better teams that will make us stronger.

I like playing against Mike Anderson way more than Quinn Snyder. I just felt like I needed a shower after seeing Quinn on TV.

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