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Originally published February 27, 2010 at 02:00p.m., updated February 27, 2010 at 06:48p.m.

FINAL: Oklahoma State knocks off No. 1 Kansas, 85-77

Kansas center Cole Aldrich, right, and forward Xavier Henry tangle with Oklahoma State guard Nick Sidorakis during the first half, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.

Kansas center Cole Aldrich, right, and forward Xavier Henry tangle with Oklahoma State guard Nick Sidorakis during the first half, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.

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GameDay Cram Session: Oklahoma State

KUSports.com online editor Jesse Newell and Journal-World sports reporter Matt Tait take a look at what to expect from the Kansas basketball team's matchup against Oklahoma State.

KU scoring — Collins 22, Xavier Henry 17, Aldrich 11, Marcus Morris 10, Taylor 8, Markieff Morris 6, Reed 3.

KU was 27-for-58 from the floor (46.6 percent), 8-for-20 from three (40 percent) and 15-for-23 from the free-throw line (65.2 percent).

OSU was 32-for-53 from the floor (60.4 percent), 10-for-19 from three (52.6 percent) and 11-for-17 from the free-throw line (64.7 percent).

OSU out-rebounded KU, 36-26. OSU had 16 turnovers, whlie KU had 12.

James Anderson finished with 27 points on 9-for-19 shooting.

FINAL: OSU wins, 85-77

Muonelo makes the second free throw, and Xavier follows with a long three to cut the lead to six.

Anderson is fouled in the frontcourt, but he only makes one of two.

Taylor drives on the next possession, but his shot is blocked. The KU coaches clamor for a foul, but none is called.

Anderson is fouled again, and he makes both this time.

Collins airballs a three, and that should about do it. OSU fans rise to their feet, sensing the upset is near.

Pilgrim adds an uncontested layup, and Collins follows with a three. Self calls timeout.

OSU finishes off its victory, and students flood the court, amkgin it a sea of orange.

The Cowboys win, 85-77.

OSU 79/KU 71 — 1:18 left in game

Anderson and Collins trade two free throws. KU can’t afford to trade.

KU gets a steal, and Collins finishes on the other end for a layup. KU cuts the deficit to nine for the first time since the first half.

Muonelo makes one of two at the line. OSU is called for a cheap foul, and Xavier Henry makes two free throws. KU cuts the lead to eight with 2:36 left.

KU’s attacking defense forces OSU into another turnover, as a pass sails into the stands. Travis Ford puts both hands on his head.

Xavier misses a shot inside, and OSU gets points off the runout, as Anderson slams home an uncontested attempt.

Collins drives and puts in a layup, but time is running out for KU.

Muonelo misses the first of two free throws. Ford calls timeout.

OSU 74/KU 63 — 3:42 left in game

Lots of fouls and lots of free throws lately, and that benefits KU. The Jayhawks want to lengthen this game, and the best way to do that is by scoring without having any time run off the clock.

KU gets a steal off its full-court press, but once again, Collins turns it over with a chance to build momentum. This time, he’s called for a carry.

Xavier Henry has a three-pointer blocked, but he comes down with the rebound and puts in a tough 15-footer.

KU still can’t get a stop. Muonelo drives into the lane and right by Xavier in the middle for a layup.

Collins answers with a deep three, and Self calls timeout with KU down 11.

Anderson is fouled by Marcus Morris, and that’s Marcus’ fifth foul. That’s a crushing blow for KU.

OSU 69/KU 55 — 6:45 left in game

OSU milks the shot clock, and Anderson delivers at the end with a drive in the lane and shot off the glass.

Reed answers for KU, making a baseline shot with a foul — Page’s fourth. The Jayhawks need to get stops, though.

It doesn’t happen on the next possession. OSU beats the press, and Aldrich is forced to goaltend inside.

KU pushes it, and once again, Xavier Henry drives to the middle of the lane to put in an easy two.

Aldrich gets it deep in the lane, but he misses the short hook. That’s a huge miss for KU, which once again was on the verge of grabbing some momentum.

Taylor hits a three from the top against OSU’s 2-3 zone. Nice confidence shown there from the sophomore.

KU once again blows a chance at momentum. The Jayhawks get a stop, but Taylor misses a layup in transtion. On the other end, Page is left open for a three that swishes through.

Xavier follows with a long two, but Page squirts free again, popping in another three-pointer. Page is 4-for-4 from three.

OSU 57/KU 42 — 11:31 left in game

Muonelo hits a three out of the timeout. OSU back up 19.

KU pushes the pace, though, and Xavier Henry drives by his man to get an easy two in the lane.

Anderson misses a three, and Taylor rattles in a baseline floater on the other end. KU makes up one point with Aldrich and Collins on the bench.

OSU 54/KU 38 — 13:37 left in game

Marcus Morris makes one of two free throws, but OSU can’t keep possession. Marcus eventuallly comes up with the rebound, and he takes a dribble before putting in an emphatic, one-handed dunk.

KU presses, and Aldrich races up the court to steal a pass. KU doesn’t score off the possession, but the Jayhawks are showing some life.

KU needs a shot to go down but can’t get it. Collins misses a layup, and Taylor misses a floater in the lane. OSU coach Travis Ford calls timeout to try to get his team re-focused. KU missed an opportunity to grab momentum there.

OSU 54/KU 35 — 15:42 left in game

Muonelo puts in his first shot of the second half — a 19-footer. Maybe OSU can keep up its red-hot shooting.

KU races back up the court, and Collins swishes a three. It looks like the Jayhawks are going to want to pick up the pace in the second half.

Matt Pilgrim puts in a stickback jam, and Collins shows horrible shot selection on the other end, putting up a fallaway jumper that bounces away.

Just when all looks lost, Collins scoops to Aldrich, who somehow floats in a short shot inside while getting fouled. Aldrich pumps his fist to show some emotion, and his free throw trims OSU’s lead to 16.

Collins shows some emotion, but it’s directed at the wrong place. After getting called for a charge, he screams at the official. He then starts to hand the ball to that official before snatching it away at the last second to throw it to another official. Collins is walking on thin ice there, and the KU coaches try to settle him down.

Another three from Anderson. KU has no answer for him today.

KU scoring — Aldrich 8, Collins 7, Markieff Morris 6, Marcus Morris 5, Xavier Henry 3.

KU was 11-for-28 from the floor (39.3 percent), 2-for-10 from three (20 percent) and 5-for-11 from the free-throw line (45.5 percent).

OSU was 19-for-31 from the floor (61.3 percent), 6-for-11 from three (54.5 percent) and 1-for-2 from the free-throw line (50 percent).

Both teams had nine first-half turnovers. OSU had 20 rebounds to KU’s 15.

James Anderson had 15 first-half points on 6-for-11 shooting.

Halftime thoughts

KU needs to hit threes to make a comeback, but the Jayhawks might be wise to look inside first. Aldrich, Marcus and Markieff combined to make 8 of their 12 shots in the first half.

KU needs better shooting from Collins, but more importantly, it needs more fire from its leader.

The Jayhawks will get a boost when Marcus Morris re-enters the lineup after getting in foul trouble. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go the rest of the way for KU.

So who should guard Anderson? I’m still thinking Marcus is the best option, followed by Morningstar. I’m not sure if anyone could have guarded him on a couple of those shots, though.

OSU 45/KU 29 — Halftime

Not much Morningstar could do about that Anderson attempt. From 19 feet, Anderson swishes a baseline shot with Morningstar right in his face.

Anderson dishes to Moses for an emphatic dunk, but Collins follows with a three for KU. The Jayhawks also shot quickly enough to get a two-for-one at the end of the half.

Anderson misses, and Collins frees up Xavier Henry for a three at the buzzer. The wide-open try hits back iron, though, and KU misses an oppourtnity to make a mini-run at the end of the half. Xavier slaps his hands together in frustration.

OSU takes a 45-29 lead into the break.

OSU 41/KU 24 — 2:38 left in 1st half

Collins misses a forced three at the end of the shot clock. He’s 0-for-5 to start this game.

Collins misses the front end of a one-and-one, but Aldrich is there for the rebound and stickback. Where would KU be in this game without second-chance points?

Anderson makes it look easy, going around Xavier for a layup off the glass.

Marcus Morris gets his second foul on an offensive rebound attempt. That’s a huge whistle, as he’ll have to sit out the rest of the half.

Aldrich has a shot blocked inside, and in transition, Anderson swishes a three from the corner, sticking out his tongue after the shot goes through. That’s 13 points for Anderson on 5-for-9 shooting, and Self uses his third timeout. OSU has its largest lead at 36-20.

Collins misses another open three. Not only is he not hitting shots, he isn’t providing the normal emotional spark that he usually brings to the Jayhawks.

Collins is fouled, but he misses the front end of the one-and-one. Collins is 0-for-6 from the floor and 0-for-2 from the free-throw line.

Collins is fouled on a drive, and he breaks his drought, making both free throws.

Anderson creates for OSU on the other end, driving by Morningstar before finding Marshall Moses for a layup.

Collins puts in his first field goal, a shot in the lane, but Muonelo answers with an open three from the corner. OSU is up 17. KU's largest deficit this season before this game was 11 at Nebraska.

OSU 29/KU 17 — 7:59 left in 1st half

Collins drives to the lane and kicks out to an open Morningstar, but the KU junior misses the open three. He’s now 0-for-8 from three in his last five games.

A good double-team results in a steal for KU, but Aldrich leads Xavier Henry too far in a pass up the court. Henry can’t chase it down, and that’s turnover No. 7 already for KU.

Aldrich breaks a slump for KU, pivoting a few times before putting in a layup while leaning toward the rim. Marcus Morris follows with a layup on the next possession with a foul, and KU has settled down a bit on the offensive end.

Collins tries a jump pass to the perimeter, and his pass is stolen. Collins, Xavier and Aldrich all have two turnovers each.

Marcus Morris hits an open shot with his foot on the line, and even though the Jayhawks have had problems with giveaways, they have been getting pretty good shots off againt the Cowboys. Defensively, though, KU hasn’t performed well so far, as OSU is shooting 55.6 percent (10-for-18).

KU is especially struggling inside, where OSU has made eight of its 11 shots (72.7 percent). Remember, opponents have shot around 38.7 percent against the Jayhawks from two-point range in Big 12 play.

Xavier gets caught in a screen again, and Anderson hits a three. How long will this continue before KU switches to someone else defensively?

In transition, Page pulls up for a deep three that swishes through. Just like that, OSU is up 12 again.

OSU 21/KU 11 — 11:44 left in 1st half

Tyrel Reed guards Anderson out of the timeout, and he’s late getting around a screen. That half-second is all that Anderson needs, as he swishes a three from up top.

In transition, no one for KU steps up to take Page, and he gladly steps up for the open three-pointer. Big mistake for KU, as it’s no secret that the short guy is in there for his shooting prowess. Timeout Self, as Collins checks back in for KU.

Henry misses a long two, but Markieff Morris is there for the rebound and stickback.

Markieff Morris tries to dribble in the lane, and he has it stolen away. On the other end, Xavier Henry does his best bull-fighting impression, moving out of the way as the Obi Muonelo came toward him. Muonelo follows with the easy layup.

Markieff hits a three, but it’s negated because of a three-second-in-the-lane call. Muonelo follows with a 15-footer over a defender, and Self uses another timeout to try to break up OSU’s 12-2 run.

Collins misses a three, but Marcus’ hard work under the basket forces Muonelo’s second foul. The Cowboys aren’t very deep, so that could be a big whistle.

KU 9/OSU 9 — 14:18 left in 1st half

Great start for KU, as Tyshawn Taylor swipes the ball away from OSU’s Keiton Page. Taylor drops the ball to Marcus Morris on the break, and he’s fouled hard. Marcus misses both free throws, though.

KU starts the game with Xavier Henry on Anderson. The second possession, Henry loses Anderson in a bunch of screens, and Anderson sinks a long two. I’m surprised Marcus isn’t guarding Anderson.

Cole Aldrich gets two on an offensive rebound tip. KU is one of the best in the Big 12 at offensive rebounding, and OSU is one the best in the league in defensive rebounding. That will be an interesting aspect to watch.

Xavier Henry buries a three, but KU has been turnover-prone so far. Collins throws a pass away, and Page takes it the distance for a layup and foul. KU has three turnovers in just over three minutes.

Marcus Morris settles things for KU, hitting a 17-foot jumper for KU.

Aldrich misses a turn-around. He looks a bit gassed, as the teams have gone a long time without a media timeout.

3:06 p.m.

In the pregame introductions, James Anderson was introduced as "Big Game James Anderson." This would be the game to show it.

2:18 p.m.

Our pregame chat is open. I'll be talking there until gametime.

Just a reminder to use the "Submit a question" link to post a score prediction, to submit a comment or to ask a question.

Today's random question: Who will be KU's most improved player next season?

2 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater, Okla., where the No. 1 Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Oklahoma State Cowboys.

I know there were earlier reports that OSU's best player, James Anderson, might not play today because of back spasms. I can tell you that, right now, I'm watching him shoot three-pointers in his warmup gear as part of the Cowboys' pre-game activities. My bet is that he'll play today.

Also of note: KU's C.J. Henry is going through pre-game drills in his warmup gear. We haven't seen that in a few games from him. If this game gets out of hand either way, I'm guessing we might see him.

Please be sure to vote in the poll on the left and also use the hashtag #kubball to have your Tweets appear in the grid on the left side of the page.

Comments

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

That's a relief, stupidmichael. I think we'll be okay.

duanep5ku 9 years, 8 months ago

Hi Stupidmichael you're here early today, are you worried yet?

Ben Kane 9 years, 8 months ago

This is a big game. Pick this up and split one of the last two and I think we are the overall number seed, not to mention the outright conference champion. I think we have a good shot at running the table on the season and while I voted that I don't care if we beat the heels to 2000, I do think it will be Awesome to do it at mu.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 8 months ago

KU 77 OSU 72

I'm scared of tsunamis, not Cowboys.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed chuck. with kentucky's loss, we are almost certainly allowed a loss and still get the overall #1. I would rather not lose again, but I'd rather have it happen against OSU than kstate or mizzou. I'm thinking it will be a close one if andersen goes off. If he has less than 20, I say we win by double digits.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

by the way, UNC is actually staying in it against wake. I'm surprised.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm watching the UNC game, too. Since when did the ACC become the most boring conference in basketball (with the exception of the Pac 10)?

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Tennessee giant slayers. I think the only games they get up for are when teams are ranked 1 or 2.

Joe Joseph 9 years, 8 months ago

Tennessee is a tough out at home, only having lost to Vanderbilt on its home court.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

KU08, no conference beats the Big 10 in boring. Evan turner is the only reason to watch a big 10 game

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 8 months ago

Big XII finals -

BU 70 OU 63

CU 75 ISU 72

Ben Kane 9 years, 8 months ago

colorado won an away game? good for them

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm disappointed in ISU this season. brackins and gilstrap are too good to be on that crappy of a team

Ben Kane 9 years, 8 months ago

most improved player next year will be TRob or Little!

Joe Joseph 9 years, 8 months ago

Just imagine if Iowa State still had Wesley Johnson.

They'd still probably suck.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

haha. they would find a way to suck wouldn't they? starting to think mcdermott isn't a very good coach.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Honk, I agree that the Big Ten certainly deserves the "Most Boring Conference" lifetime achievement award.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

KU08, who was it in the big 10 that had like the 38-36 FINAL score last year? wasn't it Illinois and penn state?

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Honk, you give the Big Ten too much credit. The score was 38-33 Penn State over Illinois. Classic Big Ten basketball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290490356

Jesse Newell 9 years, 8 months ago

Professor — It's an automatic filter that keeps people from the annoying practice of typing in all caps. Sometimes it changes stuff it shouldn't, I know.

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i love how taylor battle had over 25% of his teams points...and he had ELEVEN!

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Who the hell was Gallagher, anyway? :-)

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

OK, Jayhawk Nation---- The first of a tough 3-game slate --- bring on the Pokes --- you control your own destiny!!!! Rock Chalk, Go Jayhawks!!!!

Jim Dickerson 9 years, 8 months ago

jaybate--- isn't gallagher the comic that smashes watermelons?

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate - I think he was a wrestling coach at OSU (A&M)

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Wafe Korest is dumb. They didn't need to foul. And then UNC misses both free throws. Genius.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone know if the Internet radio stream is only blocked during ESPN games? This is the first time in a while that I've been able to successfully log into the lazer and listen to the tip while the UNC-Wake game runs a little long on CBS.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

jnewell,

Annoyance, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

I am annoyed by not being able to type in all caps, when I am feeling particularly emphatic! It feels like composing on a piano with one dead key at the far end of the sonic spectrum. Yes, I can work around it, but why should I have to?

Rock Chalk!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Anybody know why Chris Piper is not broadcasting with Bob Davis today? Greg Gurley is filling in.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 8 months ago

We need to play shut-down defense on the perimeter today. That being said, I hate it when Cole double-teams 35 feet from the hoop.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Professor_Fate,

Ah, thank you. That's why you're the Prof, and I'm the bate. :-)

Only Okies would name a basketball arena after a wrestling coach!

I know, I know, they sully their arena with wrestling contests, that are no doubt well attended. ;-)

jayhawkologist 9 years, 8 months ago

Direct TV customers can't see the game right now because of technical problems, which is very frustrating to say the least. Is there anywhere to watch the game online?

honk_for_hawks 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkologist, see the justin tv post earlier on the board.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate - KU did name our basketball arena after a football coach ;-D

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

Settle down now, you're a lot better than them...

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Back to back turnovers by Taylor.... And Collins is playing the same way. Not a good sign so far.

mom_of_three 9 years, 8 months ago

didn't take long to mute the tv today. Gurley on instead of Piper.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

Remember what happened after we got beat in Stillwater 2 years ago?

mom_of_three 9 years, 8 months ago

three seconds, you gotta be kidding. As Gurley says, call on both ends.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

We finally get the game and we've had two commercial breaks already. Wondering who showed up to play basketball today.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

It looks like X may be schooled by Anderson. For those who saw the first 9 minutes, overall how has X looked in this matchup?

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Get Collins out of the game, he's been utterly worthless....

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

how was that a blocking foul? sure looked like he was set

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Looks like the near-camera ref should be wearing orange. He made both the 3sec call and that last block/charge. The others look OK so far.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Keiton Page looks like the banjo player from Deliverance.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Goodness gracious, count it already!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Oh my god, they reversed it to a 2. There wasn't a good angle of it on the tape, so they essentially just showed their colors.

Horrible officiating.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

I knew we'd lose a point. What happened to irrefutable evidence?

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

These guys won't keep making this garbage forever.

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

We need to knock somebody on their...

mom_of_three 9 years, 8 months ago

the refs can count to three, and call a foul with every three KU makes, but they can't see or call moving screens by OSU.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

It this is the kind of officiating we are going to get, then we might as well play aggressive and make page and anderson earn those 3 pointers. Seems like someone needs to step up and guard them

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

KU08---Keiton Page looks like the banjo player in "Deliverance"--Very funny!

I was thinking he looked like the guy in "Hoosiers," who granny shoots the free throw in.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

What the heck are the OSU fans doing during free throws? It's so annoying, it might actually be effective.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Geez, first CBS must've played every commercial in the book after the UNC/WF game and now have to deal with another trio of worthless Big 12 refs. Where did they get all these guys?

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm sorry, but Collins needs to sit. Even if it's only for a minute or two. He's playing piss poor defense, and even worse offense.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

WTF...if we continue to play like this, I would hate to be KSU on Monday night.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

Jesus. These guys don't freaking miss. This is an embarrassment. Nothing new in this arena.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

OSU: 65% from the field. Absolutely ludicrous.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm really tired of getting every team's best shot. Why can't teams just play to their level against KU?

Heavy lies the crown...

NH_JHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

We are a scorching 14% from the FT line. Pathetic.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

We need to sit Collins. And sit him for the rest of the half. He can't play defense, he can't play offense, hell he can't even hit a free throw.

Sit him. Maybe that will light a fire under his ace.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

I have given up on the CBS announcers---going to Bob and Greg!

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

I officially relinquish my fake crown as prognosticator of trap games! :-)

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

If KU is down by 20 or more at half its over, hell it may be over now.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

that's good, down 16 and put Withey in ...maybe he got something in practice this last week tha tthe other's didn't.

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Took about 5 steps two passes before that 3.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Two things:

One, the officials are Boone Pickens employees.

Two, we get to shoot at the lucky basket the second half and they get the crappy one.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm getting a scotch...maybe that will make things better.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Ref 's vision must've been blocked on that one to call a block on OSU.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

So what are we really made of? We're about to find out. Time will tell... it always does.

okiedave 9 years, 8 months ago

Defense is in disorganized. Have we contested any 3's yet?

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Good idea, kshaw04. Time for a Boulevard.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

enjoying a lovely Glenrothes single malt ...thinking it will help improve what I'm seeing, my glasses sure aren't!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm cracking a Macallan 15 year right now... Just to ease the pain of watching Collins turn the ball over being retarded.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

This is really disappointing---didn't see this coming at all.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

Again, wide open...where is our defense!!!!

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

KU plays like this in March we can kiss the Final 4 good bye.

Justin LoBurgio 9 years, 8 months ago

This team has a big run in it. This game will get close in the second half. I think this team needed to get punched in the nose. They are playing a hot team that plays a decent zone defense.....not unlike Syracuse.

We will come back.

Steve Brown 9 years, 8 months ago

Macallan here as well.....

Kettle 1 is gone...

sit sherron...won't happen...yet needed for while.

put in 3rd wave.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't think mine is easing the pain...but it is keeping me calmer.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I want to see EJ. Really badly. Let him spend the first 2 nervous minutes shaking some dust, and then watch him slaughter people on the drive.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

Would love to joing you for a scotch tailgate, unfortunately it is a long way from Seattle...I'm there in spirit though.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 8 months ago

The guards have been ICE COLD for two weeks! Time to see if anyone on the bench has some touch.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Me too, dragon slayer. I knew the UK loss was too good to be true and something had to bring me down from that high.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Well time for a good ol HCBS butt chewing and hoping OSU wore out their elbows shooting treys in the first half.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Not only that, but once again Xavier's shot disappears in the competitive game. He can hit shots all day long against non-existent defenses, and when there is no pressure. Add a little bit of pressure and a hand, and he can't hit anything.

I hate to say it, but he's about the last person I want taking 3's in a game like this... His record is abysmal.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Why has Texas not fallen into the Gulf of Mexico...........because Oklahoma sucks.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

And to add insult, JustinTV link just switched to a different game. Maybe it's for the best. Good luck to the Hawks in the 2nd half.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

At least with EJ, we would have fouls to give and could make OSU earn some of those points the hard way...not sure if he could keep up with them, but his wingspan and athleticism would make up for any issues with speed.

hail...hope you are right about that second half run.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

dragon -- I've got an oldie but a goodie...from a Texas perspective. Why doesn't TX fall into the ocean? Because Oklahoma sucks.

Alec White 9 years, 8 months ago

Thanks to living right by the Omaha area I am catching a brilliant match-up between Creighton and Bradley...I swear to God they should promote the Missouri Valley Conference like this: "The MVC---just like a warm glass of milk." Anyways I'm watching gamecast and ALL it says is "Sherron Collins Turnover" or "James Anderson 2 pt or 3 pt field-goal." What it should say is Anderson playing himself into the lottery and Sherron playing himself out of the draft entirely...

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Slayer, this is an old one that has many permutations, but...

Why is it windy in Kansas and Nebraska? Because Oklahoma sucks.

GilbertAZ 9 years, 8 months ago

Okay. I don't see how OK ST. can keep shooting this well in the second half. Maybe they will, but I doubt it. If I were coach Self, I would press at almost every opportunity. Get the cowboys tired and they will start to struggle. Emotion will only carry a team so far.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

Ridiculous officiating. OSU must have made a deal with the devil, because they are playing way out of their league. This game means nothing.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 8 months ago

Down deep, I think we all knew that Kansas had at least one more stinker in it's system and today is the day. The good news is that this the exact same patten as 2008. HCBS is psyched out by his old home.

This is a case of a team with really no major incentive taking on a team at home fighting for it's NCAA life.

Only consolation is that we may have picked a weekend were a bunch of top teams are upset...guess we'll see!!

We need to fight back to respectibility.

GreyHawker 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey JayBate....tell us all again, with your your looooong line of babble....how Sherron is the best guard to ever play at KU...........yeah right..........

Lacy Mohler 9 years, 8 months ago

For the first twenty OSU was everything Self wants KU to be.

I'm not giving up on the Hawks. They can come back.

I think Collins has lost all hope of any POY award--the finest point guard in all of KU history.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Quiz, What do the following have in common? G. McNammara N. Fazikas A. Vosquil K. Page

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Shocking!
This is a stinker and Self better chew some butt!!

If the Pokes keep this up, they deserve to win period!

We need to remain composed and they can turn this game around pretty quickly. Teams have done it to us at home!

Rock Chalk!

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe Okie State will play as crappy as Tennessee did the second half. We might have a chance.

Chris1955 9 years, 8 months ago

Why can't we ever seem to win at OSU? No pride, no intensity today!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Got to have a little momentum, win or lose today, going into the K-State game. It will be real disappointing if we lose today and don't capitalize on Kentucky's loss. In addition, if we lose today, the K-State game will not be easy. A little more pressure will be added, I'm afraid. Now, I am admitting, just like "stupidmichael," that I'm really scared!

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

BCRaven, four people I wish were never born? (Okay, that's probably over-the-top. I don't really mean that.)

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

You know...the look on Cole's face in the photo today is a nice reflection of how this game is going. A little dazed and confused perhaps?

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Collins is not intelligent enough to be a good point guard. He excels in instinct, fearlessness and physical prowess. However, not knowing when to NOT take a shot or driving into a crowded lane are huge weaknesses for him.

I'd love to see him move to the two or sit for the rest of the game. TT, BM or TR all run the game better than he does. He needs to become Mario for the rest of the year.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

You know the CBS people are loving this... The only thing missing is Billy Packer talking about how overrated we are.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

This makes it easier to switch to the Olympic bobsled final in 15 minutes.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

BC...they all put on clinics...agree with KU08

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Bill Self is a big believer in the law of averages. Let's see if that theory really holds true.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

Digger is glowing as he picks his orange tie and highlighter combo.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

So much for the good basket/crappy basket theory.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Okay, after that shot by Aldrich, I think luck is back on our side!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I've said it time and time again, when Xavier is in a tight game (or a blowout going the wrong way i guess) he holds his release until he's on his way down and then muscles it....

It's ugly, and he's not going to hit any shots like that.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

sure would be nice to see us pass the ball a few times before we launch a misdirected 3. At least that aldrich prayer went in.

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

I just noticed that on that put-back dunk, one of the twins didn't rotate after Cole went for the block. I wonder if that's part of Cole's slight decrease in stats from the front part of the season. It's actually that the twins aren't doing what they should be doing.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Honestly, if Collins doesn't hit the bench soon, i'm changing the channel. I can only stand to watch his stupidity for so long before I chuck this scotch glass through my TV.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Face it, anything will go in for OSU today.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Good grief---somebody take the bull by the horns!!!!! No defense on the treys!

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

Looks like they been drinking the Kool-Aid. I would go to a zone.

CoolDoc_Jones 9 years, 8 months ago

Well.on the bright side, us losing garuntees OSU a spot in the tourney adding to Big XII dominance.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Good grief---somebody take the bull by the horns!!!!! No defense on the treys!

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

That Bobby Hurley commercial brought back some bad KU - Duke memories. I can't stand Duke!

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

T. Boone Pickens looked like he was doing an impression of a hotdog.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

How outside shot save maybe Collins is weak. Everytime we drive, they double and triple team only to foul. Take freaking BM out and put in EJ!! BM can't stop Anderson.

Oakville- You're exactly right, this is the same pattern as '08.

kansasbasketball 9 years, 8 months ago

feels like we are gaining a little bit of momentum

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe CBS paid off the refs to keep it interesting. That should've been a charge on Kieff.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

The refs need to crack down on these blocking fouls. They have been really liberal. KU needs to take more advantage.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

What kind a pass was Collins thinking he would try on that turnover. Then he can't get the ball in the basket.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Jwiddel, to be honest i'm not mad at Collins.... I know how Collins is, and he's never been a smart player.... If his shot isn't on, he's a turnover machine that tries to force way too much. As evidenced by the last 3 or 4 possessions he's had.

I'm mad at Self for letting him get away with it so often, and never sitting him like he should. Collins should not even remotely be in this game right now.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm thinking about a nice kush... okay, done thinking.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

And who would you rather have him play Theutus? Taylor, Brady, Xavier and Reed can't create their own shots.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Ford is gambling on KU's dead treys. Somebody needs to bring them out before TT goes driving the lane. They are packing the lane.

The moron with Enberg needs to shut his mouth. He's having a love affair with a team that decided to play today.

Self better find a quick fix and execute. We're running out of time fast!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Never should have place our hands on that Big XII trophy las week.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

Wouldn't it be great if CBS could figure out how to squeeze in just a few more commercials? This damn game just gets in the way of these inane commercials.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i had to quit watching........ couldn't take it anymore. it's on but i'm up working instead of sitting and watching. pretty sick game in my opinion........ we sucked big time in ALL phases of the game in the first half and osu was playing over their heads big time..... NOT a good combination to say the least. ugly. took sherron 16 minutes to get on the board at all and X hardly played and who was scoring??? NO ONE!!! sorry, i just can't take it...... we were NOT ready to play today and obviously osu was. wow...... i know it's a long ways from over but i am NOT feeling good about this one at all and that poses concerns overall for every game in the future. yes, i'd rather lose today than against ksu OR mu....... but i'd rather not lose at all until sometime next year!!!! not this way though...... it ain't gonna happen the way we are playing today unless we wake up real soon. what the hell is the deal with the color orange today?? UGH>................ hope we can turn it around...........

Alec White 9 years, 8 months ago

agreed...the only chance we have at a NC is Sherron either getting limited minutes or moving him to the 2. Why Bill continues to let him dominate the ball is beyond me. Seriously though, does it make any sense to let our player with the least basketball IQ (besides Taylor maybe) have absolute control of our offense? And to the people who bring up all the big shots he has hit...well, can't he hit those shots playing a different position?

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

trueblue, Collins can't create his own shot either.... Not today. So I see no loss by switching to any other option.

We have nothing to lose by sitting Collins for a bit, which finally just happened.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Anderson can do no wrong! Reed looked slow and sloppy.

They are in a funk today.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Anderson can do no wrong! Reed looked slow and sloppy.

They are in a funk today.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i'm thinking we should have left the trophy presentation for further down the road....... not liking this at all.......

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

too many ticky tack fous away from the ball on screens.

Carolyn Hunzicker 9 years, 8 months ago

what the hell in wrong with those guys??? All loose balls belong to Ok. St. and Collins?????????????Theres no doubt theres something wrong with Collins and has been for the last 5 or 6 games..It does bother me that Bill Self DID NOT...HAVE THEM READY TO PLAY.....PERIOD

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Switching to Patron, at least it will numb the the pain I'm feeling right now. This is the type of game that I fear in the tournament, a team that can't miss from 3 and we can't hit anything! I agree that the refs are terrible but really they have no bearing on why we are getting our arses handed to us. I've never been one to think a loss can help you but lets hope that this somehow will help us in the tourney.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Definitely not ready to count this a loss with 11:31 to go, but, win, or lose, I gotta place this performance directly at Coach Self''s door.

He clearly practiced them waaaaay too hard this week.

The idea of KU going -6 rebounding with 10-11 minutes to go in the second half can only be attributed to dead legs and a whole team full of dead legs can only be attributed to the coach practicing them too hard.

Never seen a team come out for a chance to clinch a conference title outright with a week of rest and have dead legs.

Dead legs on a week of rest can only mean one thing: too much practice by a coach with a philosophy of striving to get better no matter what.

Every philosophy is a knife with two edges.

But unlike the wimps like black and gold Greyhawker and blow with the wind Theutus both scapegoating Sherron, I'll take my lumps with Coach Self, Sherron and this team any day, and say, well, Coach, you learned a lesson the hard way today about "getting better." Only use one or two days to get better this time of year, never three or four.

Frankly, without Sherron, the team would be down 30 today.

Tyshawn and X are the no-shows today.

Anderson is a man and he revealed that Xavier's just a kid still. No shame it that. Its just a fact.

Tyshawn is the much bigger problem. He's made clear today that he can't stay focused and he can't produce much with quick guys one him, even when he's got the inches.

Tyshawn is

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

The gamble is keeping the point-guard-senior-leader in the game in hopes he gets on track. The only way to know that this will work is to keep him in till near the end of the game. I have a feeling Self is going to keep his guy in.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

If we can get this to down by 10 at the 8:00 mark there would be hope.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

We aren't erasing a 15 pt deficit without Sherron's streaky shooting (getting hot).

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

I've never seen a game where the refs caused a 15 point lead... we look like hell!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

ticky tack...they can't even look at them w/o a foul! Let Them Play!!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

ticky tack...they can't even look at them w/o a foul! Let Them Play!!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Ollie is not only a player today, he's also an official!! LOL

kansasbasketball 9 years, 8 months ago

tyrel seems like the only kid that wants to play today besides the morris twins SOMETIMES!!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Once again Jaybate throws undue credit to Sherron.... Sherron is nothing but a negative for us today. He hasn't done a single thing worth mentioning in a positive column today.

Why people continue to pretend that he magically does so much I have no idea.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

How is that not a T? Grabbed the rim without the ball.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

We need someone to step up and show some freaken Hawk pride! This is ridiculous.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

With OSU in a prevent offense, I am expecting a/praying for a KU run.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

its just a layup Taylor, come on! The guys has 4 fouls thats guarding you!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Out played Out hustled Out coached Out shot Out refed OVER and OUT!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

That little bastard for OSU can't miss, he's having the game of his career.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Pilgrim moving screen on the last Ollie trey!!

They don't calling moving screens much and teams do it all the time.

Let's go TT and X!!

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

Are there any commercials we haven't seen today? chair safari....

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

the only question that tyshawn is the answer to is "who can't guard a 5'6" slow white kid"

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

How in the heck can you not be ready for this game? Bill?

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Ollie paused on the last two treys! He can't believe it.

OSU is having the best game of their entire year.

They won't ever win like this again. They'll stink the rest of way.

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Moving screen on Pilgrim on that last 3

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

What happened to the aggressive play? Come on guys! Where's the swagger?!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

99- yep! And the officials are too stupid and blind to call it. I'm sick of it.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

The officials are caught spectating. They are not watching the game closely.

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KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

I have officially yelled at my television for the first time in this game.

That was a two by X, but this is also officially the worst officiated game I've ever seen. Do these refs think this is a football game?

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

Its over. We have no desire to play to win.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Lookie, Anderson fouled and the refs called it! I'm shocked.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

You know I could care less about a NC right now. I want an outright Big XII championship, 59 games in a row at home, and 2000 wins. Now we are putting ourselves in a position to need a wins against KState and Mizzou. We really missed an opportunity here today. Maybe we can pull one out, but it doesn't look likely. The next two games won't be cake walks!

CoolDoc_Jones 9 years, 8 months ago

At least we can afford a loss. Other teams don't have that luxury.

Alec White 9 years, 8 months ago

I think my cursor right now is moving at a quicker lateral pace then Sherron does when he slides on defense.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

I've been trying to ignore the ref comments. But I keep seeing ticky tack fouls called that kill any sort of KU momentum. Hmmm.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

I will say this Private Theutus, Sherron is definitely too tired to be out on the floor right now, and would not be if Tyshawn had decided to show. One trey following a miss on a fast break is not really what Coach Self was hoping for in a difference maker, if you catch my drift.

If Brady and Tyrel had shown up today, Tyshawn would be playing himself out of starting.

Who would have thought Pilgrim and Page would be beating us?

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Gully has grown up in this game? Really? Instantly in one game. This guy is stupid with Enberg!

Paul Meyer 9 years, 8 months ago

It's the color orange this year. Tennessee, Oklahoma State. Hopefully not Syracuse come tourney time.

Paul Meyer 9 years, 8 months ago

It's the color orange this year. Tennessee, Oklahoma State. Hopefully not Syracuse come tourney time.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

The calls are so inconsistent as a player it just creates doubt everywhere.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Well we'll just call this Self's little incidental gift to his alma mater!!

Congrats OSU!

Now keep up this play for the rest of they year and make the B12 proud!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate, you're just a pathetic excuse for a wannabe sports columnist. You don't rate to question my service.

BTW, Collins with another turnover.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

Everytime we have a shot to get back in it... we blow it. Horrific!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

carried the ball? Are you kidding me? Whistle whistle whistle!

Great group of refs!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

carried the ball? Are you kidding me? Whistle whistle whistle!

Great group of refs!

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

G-I Arena fans not doing themselves any favors as basketball intellects. They want every touch called.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

I really hope we don't get Cuse, we shoot like this from 3 against a zone and we're dust.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Where's Dick's little cronie now? He doesn't say much about Collins' trey or X's recovered block and quick two!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Could we cut it to 9 with 3:00 to play? sound familiar?

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm not sure if I calculated this right, but OSU is shooting 69% eff. fg percentage. Give some of that to luck. Give most of it to our defense sucking.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Chuck, jaybate, slayr, truehawk93--what our chances here? We have to have full-court pressure!

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

So...with KSU on Wednesday what are you thinking we need to do to ensure another win on our home court?

I'll be disappointed losing to OSU, but losing to KSU at home...it can't go there right now.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm not sure you got my original quesiton Theutus, what is the line-up that you think will bring us back from down double digits?

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

Tired legs? Practiced too much this week? Give me a break. We are having trouble getting through screens. We can't hit shots. They're having a career day. We're intimidated. Stillwater is a tough place to play. KU has been outplayed in every facet of this game, but they will get past this and rebound. These things happen and hopefully they learned something today.

kcbest 9 years, 8 months ago

OSU fans aren't used to seeing defense, so they freak on every touch from an opposing team.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Anderson drops his shoulder to drive and we foul him instead of setting up for a charge!

Unbelieveable.

Let's see if OSU can keep this phenomenal play for the rest of the year. That is the true test of a good team. My guess is they'll disappoint. They hang their entire year on this one game!! LOL

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

KU08: It's above their team average that's for sure.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

It's a little late to start pressing... like 3 months late!

NH_JHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

The only real difference in the score right now is their hot 3 pt. shooting. OSU is 10-19 (52%) and we're 6-17 (35%). Their four more 3s = 12 pts which is the difference. Of course OSU having one of the best games of their season and we're definitely not even playing our average game. No need to hit the panic button even if we dont pull it out.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Officiating has been bad, but not as bad as our play. Collins has the worst game of the season, Aldrich has been non-existant. No defense at all....

Overall just a pathetic showing. Murphy's law.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

We need to pump fake the trey, drive and dish!! Let the treys fly. Ford isn't so quick to clog the lane.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Theutus- Pretty much! Mr Murphy will win everytime.

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

At least we warmed up from the line. After starting 1-7, we're since 10-12.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Trueblue, i think we should have gone with TT bringing the ball up, EJ at the 2, both Morris's and Aldrich. With both EJ and TT slicing and kicking the ball out, we could produce a ton of open 3's in my opinion.

Collins can't ever do that, because he's too busy trying to drive and shoot, instead of drive and pass.... Which has probably contributed to 5 or 6 turnovers from him tonight.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow! You're winning by 13 and you trap like you're losing?

And we got a foul call! I'm shocked! LOL

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Is it possible with these refs to have one half-court defensive stand without calling a foul?

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

As much as I've called for EJ to get some minutes, now was not the time IMHO. Tyshawn has not drove and dished once this season, are you serious?

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

There is the real Pilgrim! This is why uk cut him.

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

Can't have both Morrises and Aldrich in at the same time. That would further complicate defending the arc.

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

LOL- The refs won't call an obvious foul, but you have to beat a guy down!

Funny!!!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn has been driving a lot the last couple of games.... Don't get me wrong, i've been Taylors biggest critic all season... But today he's played infinitely better than Collins.

EJ is our future though, no doubt about that.

Paul Meyer 9 years, 8 months ago

According to Bobby Knight's Basketball Math: We already lost (1) game (Second Half of Oklahoma Game and First Half of Oklahoma State. Does this count for a second half win?

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

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kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

Can't wait to see the stats for this game. Cole's should be interesting.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 8 months ago

Today put a serious damper on our hopes of beating UNC to 2000.

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow, there's a lot of hostility on this board. Calm down, fellows.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

Driving yes, dishing no. And things like that, you got a 4 count and tied up, and you tackle him?

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

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WilburNether 9 years, 8 months ago

What an incredibly STUPID play by Taylor.

Did the team leave their brains in Lawrence?

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

Taylor back to panicky drives against THREE guys

Matt Lacey 9 years, 8 months ago

Much like Tennessee, a good loss. Plus this could allow OSU into the dance.

CoolDoc_Jones 9 years, 8 months ago

Who cares about the 2,000 thing. No one will care by next year.

CaramelMacchMan 9 years, 8 months ago

SELF GOT OUT COACHED!!!

I blame this one on Bill Self.

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

Too bad they could play that way the other 36.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 8 months ago

Looks like it's an O-State win today. Seven teams make it to the Big 12. I hope this doesn't affect our play VS K-State. Aloha!!!!!!

Joe Baker 9 years, 8 months ago

No he's not, he was fouled! Three guys jump and block? no foul?

Please!

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

sure they get closer at the end...... too bad they made such a deep hole to get out of...... we might have had a chance....... pretty sick performance overall. think they should have waited on the trophy presentation.....

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

It is what it is. But do know our guys did not just give up.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 8 months ago

Loads of people care about getting to 2000. This game was just embarrassing, Self just seems to have trouble with at OSU. Maybe they are just all pissy b/c Self knows which school has the better coaching job.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

Sure hope our offense and defense show up for both halves on Wednesday and Saturday. That way we won't have to do any funny counting for wins and loses. I wouldn't want to be in our locker room at the end of this game.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. A "good" loss, would rather it come now. Hopefully we learn from it. Have to feed the big men, have to get 3s from X, BM and TR, have to cut down on dumb plays from TT and SC, have to play more inspired D. Anything I left out?

fansincewilt 9 years, 8 months ago

It's impossible to get up for every game in a season. I would rather lose this one than either one of the next two. Hopefully, OS can do something in the tournament but I doubt that they can.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Hard to win when you play poorly, on the road, poor officiating and adrenaline.

kshaw04 9 years, 8 months ago

I sure wouldn't want to be in the middle of that crowd as a player!

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

How many technicals do we get for each OSU person on the court?

KU08 9 years, 8 months ago

Buh bye. It's been real. It's been fun. But it hasn't been real fun.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

This should be a lesson to all of us as fans on this blog. It's good to be humble. Now, game over. Move on. Stomp the Wildcats.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

F* those rednecks and the corrupt officials that must be OSU grads. Pathetic.

Paul Meyer 9 years, 8 months ago

Consider it a wake up call for Wednesday night. (And for the rest of the season.)

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

Timeout? Seriously? It's time to go home... Really showed a lot of guts late on a day where we just didn't have it and OSU had the shooting game most people only ever dream of. All is not lost. An eight point loss on the road as bad as we played and as great as they shot... would've been way worse if we were a lesser team.

Now that it's over we can say that it's a teachable moment to never look ahead and hopefully recent history repeats itself after a loss in Stillwater

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Well, atleast i've still got half a bottle of 15 year Macallan...

One thing I will never become accustomed to with Coach Self is his refusal to sit his "all-stars" no matter how bad they play. I don't miss much about Roy, but I atleast miss his ability to put players in check.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Well look at it as we gave the OSU fans a reason to storm the court and helped OSU get into the dance.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

But the boys gave a great effort despite the BS calls and ridiculous shooting by OSU. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i'm yelling for mu tonite..... sure don't want ksu ahead of us in the polls...... surely that won't happen, right??????

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

BS has not won at his home, wonder if he got the guys prepared for this game.

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

OSU was playing sagging man and zone and clogging the lane all day, daring KU to shoot. KU just could not hit shots and could not get in any flow offensively. KU will face teams that are white hot, but they have to continue to score. They looked hopeless much of the day.

rcaltrider 9 years, 8 months ago

Storming the court just proves that you are a nothing program. Top notch programs don't storm the court.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

They better be ready to see more of that type of defense.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

If this is a pattern for winning a NC then I'm ok losing to OSU in Stillwater, everytime. Like I said earlier, no need to hit the panick button even though I know those are the type of comments that'll be posted on this board until we play KSU. We will take care of the kitties Wednesday night and clinch the title outright. Not worried.

KANSTUCKY 9 years, 8 months ago

Self has a way of jinxing games with asinine pre-game comments. "2000 wins mean a lot more to the fans" and "we don't have anything to do with that streak" Grrr.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

pretty sick performance and day for the hawks....... nice comeback i guess if they had not dug such a deep hole. we were definitely outplayed big time today and hopefully it will be a good lesson. i'd MUCH rather lose this one, too, than either of the next 2. sure hope we have our best game ready for wednesday...... cannot BEAR the thought of ksu coming in and taking so much away from us. we simply cannot let that happen!!!!!! i hope we will grow from this....... maybe it IS a good win, if there is such a thing but i'm not that confident..... i'm concerned.......... the next 2 now scare me to death..... coach better prepare them and we better be ready........... this was NOT my team today and i don't want to see THIS one show up again the rest of the year. put the REAL hawks on the floor and kick some butt!!!!!! RCJH!!

tophawk1983 9 years, 8 months ago

KSU won't jump us in the polls. We have two losses, they have four and trail us in the league. I wouldn't be suprised if KSU won and went to 4 so ESPN can show a 1vs4 or 2vs4.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Let me list those names again:

G. McNammara N. Fazikas A. Vosquil K. Page

Does KSU have anyone like these?

Tony Bandle 9 years, 8 months ago

HCBS said in the pregame that the team practiced horribly this week, so he wasn't going to be surprised.

Nice week up call just before our two games with the twin Kitties!!

Monday's Headlines:

North Carolina Beats Wake Forest, Takes Over Top Spot In Polls!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Who'd a thought the Tsunami would reach Stillwater OK.

jhokfan 9 years, 8 months ago

No big deal.

Losing exposes your weaknesses and helps you prepare for the tournament. Now the game against KSU has more meaning as we can win B12 outright at home.

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

And KU was really close to get a committment from Anderson three years ago... Damn that guy is a player.

Sweet_Sandbags 9 years, 8 months ago

Some perspective and a friendly reminder for those not aware -

Every national champ since Indiana ran the table in 1976 has had at least 2 losses.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/m-basketball-d1.html

A streak that will now obviously continue again this year with KU and UK losses today. The Hawks are now "eligible" to win it all. :)

An "attention getter" for sure. A loss at this point can be good and humbling. Learn from mistakes, make modifications where necessary, grow individually and as a team, improve, and move on. Focus is now on KSU.

One game at a time.

RCJGKU

okiedave 9 years, 8 months ago

Does anybody ever remember KU fans storming the basketball court after a win at home? KU played pretty much the same as they did in '08 at Stillwater. Gave up the 3's and could not get shots to fall.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't really care about them storming the court.... they are just happy fans being happy... Lets just be glad that we aren't in a situation where beating a team in a regular season game is cause for huge celebration.

jhokfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Next to KU, the Cowboys have the best basketball pedigree in the conference. Storming the court shows how far this program has fallen and how far away they are from being relevant. Personally I'd rather see OSU rise in prominence and become our top rival.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i DO like the idea about winning outright AT HOME, especially AGAINST those pussycats!!!! thanks for that perspective!!

jbsd31 9 years, 8 months ago

Sometimes these games happen, I had thought for a couple weeks that this game could be KU's Big 12 loss. Perfect storm for OSU, a bubble team desperate for a big resume building win...shots falling from everywhere and everyone (I'm pretty sure the fan sitting in section 5B, Row 8, Seat 11 hit a three midway through the 2nd half)...KU missed some open looks, it happens.
The only thing this really changes is that KU can't get it's 2000th win against MU next Saturday. That would have been a nice little ace in the hole to have over MU fans for the rest of time.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

Cole has played himself into the mid to late second round. I think he was a mid to late first round draft pick last year. This was a perfect time to bring in Elijah Johnson, he certainly could not have done worse than any of the other guards did today.

Carolyn Hunzicker 9 years, 8 months ago

AND YOUR TELLING ME THAT X IS READY FOR THE NBA????? AS LONG AS HE'S NOT CONTESTED HE CAN SHOOT...GARD HIM IN THE FACE......THEY WIN HE LOSES

Chris1955 9 years, 8 months ago

Abysmal performance today. Maybe Bill Self can explain why his team wasn't ready to play OSU. We are out hustled and out muscled. I think we've just shown Frank Martin a blueprint of how to beat us. We haven't defended the 3 pt play well all year. OU seemed like they connected on a bunch of them Monday night. No killer instinct on the team this year.

Sorry for the negativity, but I'm really pissed with the effort given today. I also don't buy into the theory that this loss means we'll win another NC. I don't want to return to the early tournament exit days!

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i didn't see anyone on our team ready for the national championship, NBA or even the final four today....... that's a bit scary but i'll hope it was a wake up call and we'll see better on wednesday. certainly hope so!!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

X Is definitely not ready to go to the next level but there are players behind him who have redshirted or sacrificed minutes for this supposedly one and done player. If he stays, you can count on several players transferring to other teams who need solid guards.

ABeesus 9 years, 8 months ago

Imagine if Cole got to shoot as much as Collins.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

where was robinson today??? i've given up on EJ playing but did robinson come in?? if he did, it's when i couldn't watch......

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

Don't see that it would make much difference Abeesus... Missing shots close to the rim or missing shots from the three. Neither is a great choice.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

The Jayhawks lost. Ahhhh I am going to kill myself.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

cole is still a top-10 pick. xavier top 20, easy. i wish cole could hit a 5 ft hook shot though, we need a go-to other than sharron. EJ and TR will get their time next year, if they didn't get to develop before this point in the season, there's no reason to toss them into the fray now, they will still play like freshmen.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

OSU Just copied Tennessee's game plan. Except they made it look even easier. But you would think with Cole, the Morris' twins, Robinson and Withie (spelling?) we would dominate in the paint and on the boards.

Robert Murphy 9 years, 8 months ago

This was a game where the Jayhawks perfected their ineptitude. Can anyone see a team with Morningstar and Reed on the floor winning the national title? We should be thankful we've won as many as we have. We should have red shirted Reed and Morningstar and played Releford and wright, and let EJ at least on the floor once in awhile. Self and company have lucked out so many wins we think they're geniuses. They sure didn't look like it today.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 8 months ago

I wish you were correct True.. I really do but Cole is not going to be a lottery pick. X in the top 20? If they base their pick off potential, it's possible... But if it's based on performance, no chance.

Robert Brock 9 years, 8 months ago

Withy and Robinson came in for less than a minute today. Just not the right game for them - though no one else really showed up anyways. KU has given up a lot of open perimeter shots this season and dared teams to beat them doing it and it hasn't really happened for the most part. OSU had a career day.

Nick Cole 9 years, 8 months ago

Is the KSU game on ESPN? I heard it wans't (which is pathetic, just like our performance today).

tstanlick1909 9 years, 8 months ago

This loss exploited all of our flaws. It's make or break from here on out.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I didn't get to watch much of the game, but I am cool with a loss. The fellas need to taste this. They need to understand that effort and focus will need to be top notch. This is a great teaching moment for HCBS, and he's the best at teaching.

Jaybate - you've gotten some posts smacked down, dawg. You been rollin' dyn-o-mitehawk style. I won't be impressed until they yank your handle and you have to come back as jbate.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Ralster I've never been on the Sherron Collins bandwagon... I think he's played better overall this year than any other year, but I still don't think he's a smart PG. He never has been.

I still like him, and wish him the best... But i'm still going to call it how i see it. I'm going to call him out when he plays like garbage. Like he did tonight. I just see no reason for Self to leave him in as he creates turnover after turnover, throwing up piss poor shot after piss poor shot.

My biggest argument in all of this is that EJ still isn't getting playing time. As much as I want to focus on this year right now, we still have to keep an eye on our future. Taylor? I'm sorry, but he's far worse than Sherron in the PG intelligence category.

EJ is our future at the 1 spot.... And we are doing ourselves a disservice by not getting him some ample experience this season. Atleast that's my opinion.

Justin LoBurgio 9 years, 8 months ago

We heard all the same stuff back in '08. Let's not give up on these guys just yet.

kennetha 9 years, 8 months ago

come on hawks.... we can play with more energy than that. by the way i missied chris piper on the radio. maybe we needed his energy to be able to get back in this game... go hawks we need to beat the cats. -- this one is for the seniors... ken

Beverly42_1997 9 years, 8 months ago

Should have shot more 3's, behind and 6-8 minutes to go.

ABeesus 9 years, 8 months ago

jhawk 7782,

Collins shot 7 of 16

Aldrich shot 5 of 9.

Imagine if Aldrich had shot 16, and Collins 9.

bnet0000 9 years, 8 months ago

To me, this is the equivalent of a dollar falling out of my pocket at a strip club... Still... I must congratulate OSU for showing up against Kansas, as all conference teams do. That's what makes the Big 12 so special...

Robert Murphy 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate: Wasn't Gallagher the guy who smashed watermelons? If he was actually a wrestling coach it was a good choice for a name for the basketball arena since basketball is now more like wrestling than basketball. I think knocking people out of bounds should be legal. And, they should be able to foul people when they are shooting free throws. Any play where a player makes a basket without being fouled should only count for 1 point. 10 fouls should be allowed unless overtime and then you can have 5 more. One of the Morris twins would still probably foul out. Helmets for all.

Mike Gammill 9 years, 8 months ago

KU got out shot, out hustled, and out played in almost every aspect of the game. They looked flat, looked like they were out of sync, and certainly did not play up to their #1 ranking that everyone thinks they deserve. I still feel they are a #5 at best, and have been all year.

Don't worry about wrapping up an outright conference title, #1 overall seed, or anything if they keep on playing like this. None of it will happen if the intensity doesn't pick up. Can you imagine playing a game against KSU with an effort like this, regardless of it being at home? The results would be quite similar, if not worse. It won't fly at MU either, IMHO.

Hopefully, HCBS and the team will learn volumes from this performance. If not, they will be setting the table for bigger disappointments down the road.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

it all comes down to the quality of shot. i'd like to see cole's average if you factor out dunks. at the same time, sharron got hot down the stretch and we needed 3s, so to tell him to stop shooting in the second half would've been counterproductive.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

OSU played the game of the decade... Plain and simple. I'm not sure how you stop a running 3 way beyond the arc. (multiple times). We played much better today than the '08 team did in their championship year. To be in that game in the end was saying alot, I don't think any other team in the country could have stayed with them. A loss doesn't hurt much. Thankfully Kensucky lost.

I also saw something today I haven't seen before... Marcus in Beast mode. The steal and dunk, the 3's... look out. I think we should have gotten the ball to him more in the second half. It seems these fast games keep Cole out of the picture (like the KSU game). He also really needs to hit those mini-hooks.

I also thought Taylor looked great.

X looked great in the second half. The no call on his drive where he got bodied bad was a huge, ugly, no-call that may have cost us the game.

Beating the heck out of #5 KSU will make everyone forget this loss.

OSU was a top 5 team today... to bad they have no sense of consistency. They'll probably lose to ISU next.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Just because OSU stopped playing defense in the last couple minutes (because they knew they had already won), doesn't mean anything in my opinion....

The game isn't won in the last 2 minutes, and i'm sick of us playing lazy for the first 38, and then trying to sprint the last 2. We're lucky we haven't dropped 5 or 6 games this season due to that mentality.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

Good lord there's a lot of whining about KU (who is still the best team in the nation regardless of this game) here tonight. It's hard to win a game when they can't miss from the 3 and the refs had money on the game. We were screwed from the get go here.

Robert Murphy 9 years, 8 months ago

trueblue9: I would like to see Cole shoot one time before leaving KU without dribbling. Same move over and over, what has Manning been doing? Against a good tall athlete Cole has a hard time scoring with his limited repertoire. He was better last year. He should be improving.

KuKain 9 years, 8 months ago

Love to see all the haters come out of the wood work when we lose a game. All of the sudden we have 50 people telling Bill Self how to run his team like they have some kind of clue. All you fair weather fans deserve to be stormin the court at a school like OSU. Makes me sick.

docileboy 9 years, 8 months ago

Whew, I don't know if they will ever get that stench KU left out of Galhager Iba Arena. It looked like the Jayhawks were playing at half speed. My prediction at this point is KU wins two more games this year. One in the Big Twelve Tournament and one in the NCAA Tournament.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Docileboy and all the haters, I wish I could have seen your comments after they lost to the same team in 2008. Oh yea they went on to win the National Championship. Name another team right now that could beat KU on a neutral court and I will wire you 500,000 dollars from my Swiss bank account. Oh yea back it up with stats and it yours.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

Truehawk......Dude, I sure hope you're still alive. Your posts made it sound like you were careening recklessly toward a suicide attempt. Geez, just relax. This game didn't mean anything. I'm one of those who believe a loss late in the regular season is actually a good thing. It's hard to carry the weight of a really long winning streak into post-season play.

Silver lining (even though it reflects poorly on our defense): If your opponent shoots 60% from the field and 52% from 3 and outrebounds you by 8 and has 6 more assists and they only beat you by 8, that's a minor miracle.

I think we'll bounce back and play well.

bnet0000 9 years, 8 months ago

There is a hell of a lot of whining, and people getting down on the team. Stop freaking pointing out every little thing each player does wrong. WE KNOW! Lets see you do any better. I'd like to think they've earned a little slack, that is if being #1 for a better half of the season, winning the Big 12, and a 27-2 record isn't good enough for yah. Think positive, please, my ears are beginning to bleed... RCJH!!

greg robinson 9 years, 8 months ago

Cool, we got that out of the way. We lose to OSU then run the table and win the National Championship.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Yeah - after watching highlights (damnit) for some reason this team/game reminded me of the 20 oh 3 (we need to start saying the years that way again, but I digress) championship. Hot shootin' little white guard, hyped up player playing well, get out early and hang on.

The only bad thing is that we have K-State (no gimme), MU (their Superbowl), and then the Big XII Tournament (motivated teams).

Worst case scenario and I don't really want to go there: Is to lose in the game that would get KU 2,000 wins in the first round of the NCAA Tourney as a #1 seed (being first number one to lose in NCAA History).

Best Case Scenario: Get 2000K against MU after we beat them in Columbia for 1999 (queue the Prince music), and then draw them in the Big XII Tournament in round two for them and the very next game for us (after memphucking the hell out of them) and beat them again for 2000 and then roll to National Championship quatro.

trueblue9 9 years, 8 months ago

bnet, if you want to post positive things, by all means do so. others are allowed to post whatever they please. every single game on the schedule is more important than the one today, so it is not surprising for us not quite get up for the this one. it showed in our defense, we can't have that kind of effort and plan to win six in a row.

JayDocMD 9 years, 8 months ago

Good win for Okie State - no doubt they needed the W much more than KU. OSU Should be a lock for the tourney now. Didn't think KU would run the table in the best conference (RPI.) Probably a good time for a loss (if there ever is a good time.) Still have to be the favorite to win it all, but this does serve notice that if KU is cold from outside, and you can hit your 3's, u have a chance.

P.S. If you have to have a big sign that reminds people that something is historic (i.e. "Historic Gallagher-Iba Arena") ... its not really that historic. I don't recall seeing " The Historic Louvre" sign in Paris, or "The Historic Allen Fieldhouse" in Lawrence. Some locales you just know when you have stepped into a special place - other places I guess you have to be told.

fansincewilt 9 years, 8 months ago

We will win the next two games, the Big 12 tournament and maybe the NC. There will be a really close game in the Elite 8 or semi-final in the Final Four. Hopefully, we win it. The brilliant coaching ability of BS will not let this loss go without finding the good in it. The next two best teams in the Big 12 will wear themselves out against each other in the semi-final of the Big 12 tourney. Our semi-final game will be much easier. We will catch the 4/5 winner after a hard-fought game. We will take care of business in the Big 12 title game. Kentucky proved they have the talent to win it all. We will have to have a good game to beat them. That is going to be some game. Hopefully we both get there. Wow, KSU is shooting 11% in the first half.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Usually I'm expansive about analyzing a game like this, but this loss reduces quickly to three drivers:

  1. Self practiced them too hard.

  2. Cole did the disappear-o and let us get outrebounded by 8. This was totally unexpected by me. I thought Self would have to hold him back from a 25-30 point game with 8 blocks and 15 boards.

  3. OSU had a great shooting day from everywhere but the FT line.

The loss itself isn't so bad, but practicing too hard this week, and so losing with dead legs at Stillwater, could well cascade into a loss in Lawrence vs. KSU on Wednesday because of continued fatigue. It is not entirely clear that the team has the physical conditioning to rebound for a huge effort vs. KSU. Sherron was running on empty from about 10 to go in the second half vs. OSU. Sherron (37 minutes) and Xavier (32 minutes) are quite likely to tire badly the second half against KSU.

In my opinion, Travis Ford just won himself the Contucky job today, if Cal leaves for Jersey. OSU shouldn't have had a chance against KU, but beat them soundly. OSU is really missing a lot of pieces, and Travis is doing a positively Selfian job of masking them. Hat off to Travis Ford. He's a runt I wanted to dislike, but he's got the right stuff. He's even better than Self at playing with short guards.

Let's suck it up and see if Cole can get back on the beam.

No condor vs. KSU, no win.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

JayDocMD,

Great point about the sign, doc. Take two and dunk me in the morning!

sdku 9 years, 8 months ago

I think everyone should just take a step back. Who is undefeated in their conference, no one. KU only needs 1 win to have the conference title outright and what better place to do that then at home! These players know that and the combo of Ok St needing a win badly for the tournament, the players not into the game, OK St shooting lights out, any team would lose. I think OK St could of beat the NJ Nets in the first half.

WE are just fine, nothing if F'd man. We are going to win next week, come back and beat Missouri and take care of business. We haven't shot well in awhile but it's the defense is how weve been winning. The defense will be back next week, guaranteed. When defense is good, the offense follows.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Is it me, or is Sidorakis going after double lottery pick man-titty grabs in this picture? Thankfully, neither Cole nor Xavier look like they're really in to it... Nick Krug - You are a freaking genious!

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jaybate.....Where did you get the idea that Self practiced the team too hard this week? Notwhere. You are surmising. Self just said in his press conference a few days ago that he has found his best success shortening practice to 75 to 90 minutes, if I recall correctly.

The reason we looked slow is because, relative to the athleticism of OSU, we ARE slow.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 8 months ago

He's just really using the ball as a diversion.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

KU, You didn't know Jaybate is Coach Danny Manning in cognito.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jaybate......We don't have the bouncy athleticism OSU or Tennessee or Kentucky have. We don't have freakishly athletic players, by and large. Tyshawn is very athletic but he's terribly erractic as a basketball player. Our most athletic players sit on the bench--Robinson and Johson. (I'm not passing judgment on Self's rotation. In fact, we are a better team right now with those two playing less.)

Sherron and Cole--and to a lesser extent X and the twins--are the kind of athletes that are prone to physical exhaustion and burn-out. Self knows this. I doubt if he practiced these guys too hard this week.

OSU was just jacked because their house was sold out for the first time in 4 yrs (I think) and they had a LOT more to gain by winning this game than KU did. They played with a huge amount of energy. When we came out of the gate flat, it gave OSU the momentum and they grabbed it and never relinquished it--like an NCAA team should.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

A comparison to 2008 has been made to this game.

Now here is something really spooky about that comparison. Look outside at the moon. It looks full but really it won't be true full moon until tomorrow, the 28th. So here we are playing OSU in their house in February and the moon is almost full.

In 2008 we played OSU in their house in February on the 23rd. Ready for this. It was a full moon on the 21st that year. So by the 23rd it still looked full. Spooooooooookyyyyy.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinmullen......LMAO! I love jaybate and a lot of his "surmising" is in target. But when the coach just said a few days ago that he likes to practice an hour and 15 minutes this time of year, you just can't say the kids are being overworked. I know what he's going to say next: well yes, they only practice 75 minutes but they ARE (not "must be" or "probably are", as someone on the outside looking in would put it) working at 100% exertion for the entire 75 minutes.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

If Syracuse and Purdue win (Cuse tonight and Purdue tomorrow) I wonder if KU and Kentucky drop to #3 and #4?

Steve Brown 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaymullen: Name another team right now that could beat KU on a neutral court and I will wire you 500,000 dollars from my Swiss bank account. Oh yea back it up with stats and it yours.

Cornell: Dahm near beat us in our place and set the blueprint how to destroy us. Crowd the lane as SC TT drive too far in and can't dish off. We just keeping driving into about 3 guys and throw up a prayer.

Mullen, just leave it over there as I was in Bern last summer on way to Ve Vey. I'll get it next trip. Besides Cornell, any top 30 team on neutral court if we rush shots, don't play D and go for individual play over team play like tonight.

Theutus: not only tonight but last several games Sherron has played selfish and like garbage in spurts.

I for one am extremely happy we have some home cookin before our trip to Columbia the antlers will be in rare form, hope they don't wear orange.

Steve Brown 9 years, 8 months ago

LJW: as my 2,000 win entry weeks ago was first game sprint center let me know when where to get the TV and prize $$$$. Sure I was alone in that game nomination. :-)

we will destroy the next 3 teams, HCBS will get this repaired asap.

Steve Brown 9 years, 8 months ago

I picked a bad day to give up drinkin'.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

lighthawk (anonymous) says...

LJW: as my 2,000 win entry weeks ago was first game sprint center let me know when where to get the TV and prize $$$$. Sure I was alone in that game nomination. :-)


Sorry, my friend. I predicted two losses prior to #2000 as well. And I hope by "first game" you didn't choose the first round option, because KU will get a bye in that round due to our #1 seed. We won't play for win #2000 (assuming we win the next two games) until the 2nd round.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate- lol that Self wore our boys out in practice this week, were you there? Hell no you weren't just your typical I know everything attitude that gets old on these blogs. We need to regroup and we'll be OK(just hope we don't play anymore orange juice teams!) Come on boys get your heads right and bring it home where it belongs!!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

lighthawk=drank enough patron for both of us!

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Here is how the top 4 will go Syracuse 1, KU 2, Kentucky 3, Pudue 4. Purdue has 3 losses I don't see them jumping either us or Kentucky.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinmullen:

Even if Purdue beats Michigan State tomorrow?

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

BC, Yes, I would say so. I do not think Purdue will beat Michigan State though, they just lost there second best player.

Chad Hallack 9 years, 8 months ago

We ran into a team today that simply hit shot after shot. We didn't blow this game on D, we blew it on offense. We had some defensive lapses, but not nearly as many as we had offensively. Too many TO's, bad shot selection and I didn't see any high/low action.

The beauty of the high/low is that it is effective against man and zone if you play it correctly. You have to have bigs moving against the zone, creating confusion and mismatches. Post player movement is more important against a zone than man. You do this by flashing to the high post, drawing at least 1 defender away from the basket allowing for the drive/kick or the over the top post pass and lobs (what happened to the lobs?). If no one comes out, you take the 12-15 footer. It's our base offense and we did a very poor job of running it today. I don't want to hear the "saggy zone" excuse. Any zone that is beaten is beaten by ball movement and post man rotation. If you can hit outside shots, you can beat the zone as well. We did not, however, hit the outside shot consistently today. But it's not the fault of the shooters as much as it is on the bigs for not being active and agressive to create looks for themselves, therefore forcing outside shots that weren't falling to be the only weapon.

This loss is not a huge deal and we did a good job of getting within 8... all things considered. The lesson to learn from this loss is a need for a return to basics. Running and trusting the offense,crashing the boards, taking good shots, having an under-control intensity on D, taking care of the ball...

Everyday is not gonna be our day but we compounded the problem by running around crazy on D and pressing on offense.

I wouldn't want to be in purple come Wednesday... the "Hawks are gonna have a chip on their shoulder and should be determined to make a statement and I believe that we will!

RCJH!!!

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

"just your typical I know everything attitude that gets old on these blogs. We need to regroup and we'll be OK"--jhawkjan42

LOL! back at ya!

There is this psychological phenomenon called projection.

Read about it. Study it. Learn it. Recover from it. :-)

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

"Jaymullen: Name another team right now that could beat KU on a neutral court and I will wire you 500,000 dollars from my Swiss bank account. Oh yea back it up with stats and it yours."--lighthawk

Ditto.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

KU,

Lead legs don't lie.

They practiced too much.

I am not surmising lead legs. I just watched these guys plod around the court with lead legs for 30 minutes, then get an andrenalin rush at the end, when they were closing the gap, then they pooped out. If that wasn't a classic case of lead legs out on the court today, then I've never seen it.

Whether they were practiced 90 minutes a day, or ten minutes a day, the team practiced too much.

The key of course is not really the length of each individual practice, anyway. The key is how many days off he gave them before the game.

The proof was in the pudding today.

Team mates don't all develop lead legs the same game, unless the team was practiced too hard.

I am a bit surprised anyone questions this.

To skeptics, please come up with a more plausible cause of lead legs striking an entire team on the same day.

Bet ya can't do it. :-)

Yakihawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Looking Forward, it sounds like ESPN picked up the K-State game Weds. great news for those of us outside of Big XII Network coverage!!

SCHNBALL 9 years, 8 months ago

I was driving to the Kentucky- South Carolina game the other night, and I said to my buddy, I would like to see what we would do down 12 to 15 points. I was most interested in what Collins would do, and unfortunely, he did exactly what I thought he would do. I did not get to see the last 16 minutes of this game, just one question for someone to answer: Did we ever go zone during the second half.

Jaybate, one comment you made about Sherron being tired at te 10 minute mark, he has looked tired to me for at least 3 games now. I am only scared of one type of team in the big dance, a smaller, quicker team like OSU. We appear to have no ability to make adjustments during the game.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

jhawkdan42,

Take a freaking guess. ;-)

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate, From what I understand the bus broke down somewhere between Witchita and Bartlesville, and the entire team had to get out and push the rest of the way.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Wouldn't dare question the all knowing jaybate, my bad! lol!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

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Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Please keep your witty comeback to 10000 words or less!

Uhjh 9 years, 8 months ago

What a crumb bum game looked like the Hawks just thought they should win – YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME!!

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

Man I think the tsunami just hit my toilet.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

SCHNBALL,

Thank heavens someone else around here has a normal O2 sat.

Yeah, I agree Sherron's looked physically toasted for 3-4 games, maybe even 5 or 8 games.

Its very worrisome--not just for the team's performance, but for the implications for Sherron's health. This is the kind of slow, but steady on-set of fatigue that can signal something serious.

I'm sure he and Self are passing it off as playing lots of minutes, plus having a new child, etc., and I hope that's all it is, but Sherron has hit an energy wall that I don't ever recall him hitting during all his years at KU.

Let's say our prayers for him.

And what's happening to Sherron is even more spooky, because Cole has been mired most of the season with about 2/3s the energy he had last season. Good as he is, Cole is no where near the player he was last season and its not because everyone has figured him out. Its because he runs out of gas so fast. Whenever he has a full charge in his Die Hard, he shows stretches of being every bit as dominating as last season. But then he quickly poops out.

People were speculating early that Cole might have mono. I never heard any confirmation of that, but wonder still if that is his underlying problem. They did say he was on an inhaler for quite awhile. Who knows? He seemed to get better for awhile, but the Saturday/Monday games seemed to slowly beat him back down, until today he seemed pretty much incapacitated again. That kind of suggests nagging mono. Inhalers are often used for lungs inflamed by mold and pollen allergies. I know I had a lot of trouble with mold and pollen allegies growing up in Kansas. But late February is an unlikely time to have a resurgence of allergy problems in Kansas, especially on what I hear has been an unsually snowy and long winter.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

It is worrisome to thing that Sherron and Cole are both running down physically.

Frankly, now that I think about it, all the zip snap seems to have gone completely out of Brady, too, the last three games. This is surprising, because Brady practiced, but didn't play any games the first semester. He played an entire season last year before pooping out in March.

Xavier can't jump a lick this second semester. But I didn't study his jumping the first semester, because I just assumed with the NBA body he had good springs. I don't know. Maybe he's running down too.

Marcus and Kieff and Tyrel Reed are the only three significant minute guys that seem to have totally escaped the late February/Early March energy outtage.

Tyshawn may be a fourth, but it is hard to tell with him, because he has played at half speed for so much of the season trying to learn to cut back the TOs that its hard to know what gives with his physical status. All we can say is he too seemed to have no zip for a long stretch of the season, and then suddenly rediscovered his mojo when Coach let him out of the toughening box.

Whatever, if we come out lead legged against KSU, or run out of gas again with 3-4 minutes to go, it could be another L.

If I'm Self, I give the guys Sunday off, have a few walk throughs of offense and defense recognitions of KSU on Monday, no practice at all on Tuedsay, just some film work, and say "jump sick'em" on Wednesday. Screw these 75-90 minute practices until they finish clinching the conference outright.

This is not a good time to burn out.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

KU says: "Our most athletic players sit on the bench--Robinson and Johnson. (I'm not passing judgment on Self's rotation. In fact, we are a better team right now with those two playing less.)"

Really. I continue laugh at those statements because they are pure, unmitigated speculation. You have never seen those two play major roles. Sure, throw them in now and they probably won't succeed. But play both of them 22 minutes per game throughout December and January, and you just might have two excellent players for the rotation and March. I think everyone agrees with you .. EJ and Robinson are the most athletic players. It is just too bad that we will never know if KU is right with his statement above, or whether we could have been a better team with both or one of them in a major role. But look at who we have in our rotation now .... Taylor, Brady, and Reed. That's about as exciting as Olympic curling. Really, though, Sherron has been the culprit. Taylor, Brady, and Reed are what they are. Sherron is supposed to be "the man"; he plays selfish, his shooting has been horrible, as has his decision making. He looks like a guy that is tired, out of shape .. something. Is he really the leader of this team? If so, where is he leading them? Reminds me of when Langford thought he was the man.

After watching the game today, we should question everything. It is college basketball, this stuff happens. Excellent teams do lose to good teams. It's neutral court in March that counts. But our offensive failings can't be solved by defense everytime. Today is the perfect example .. OSU's offensive performance dominated our offensive performance. And to the point I have made a few times .. our offensive style limits our potential explosiveness, and our personnel limit our offensive style. The personnel coach Self has selected dictates the style of offensive play. But our style of play cannot compensate for hot shooting teams. When a team is hot, you need offense to counter that. This isn't football (as an example, where the Ravens of a few years ago can simply dominate game after game), or baseball (where a Clemens or Pedro or Greinke can shut down the best offensive team). Great defense in basketball can't stop the unconscious shooter. But we don't play great defense, anyway. We play good defense (see Southern Illinois of 2007 for great defense). And we can't push the ball up the floor and dictate the pace with our personnel; we don't have enough punch to counter a good team that has a hot shooting night. That is because of our style of play, and that is because of our personnel. It is what it is, and it ain't changin'.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkenmullen,

I don't buy the push the bus explanation. ;-)

I'm stickin' with Self practiced 'em too hard.

But do let me know, when you come up with a better explanation...this I gotta hear!

David Howell 9 years, 8 months ago

I almost went to the game today in Stillwater. I was there for my sons soccer games, and being a Dad weighed out today over ditching the family. Imagine my surprise when we go in the local "Hideaway" pizza parlor to get something to eat before heading home. No tv's in site, but there was an obnoxious OSU announcer who was way over-excited. Then I figured out why ........ we were down by 19 late in the first half. Guess who was glad he didn't go to the game in his KU sweatshirt, but was pissed all at the same time !

I taped the game, and knowing the score at half I decided to skip right to the second half. The tape didn't lie, we got our ass kicked from here to Anchorage.

All in all I can't say I was surprised. As a team you have to admit that we haven't been dominating in our last 4 to 6 games. Sure we won, but played in spurts and let bad teams hang in there at times. OU is terrible and we were content to play them to a tie when you looked only at the second half.

I don't know about you all, but I am tired of hearing that Collins and Cole are up for player of the year. Sure Collins scored 22 points, but considering the turnovers and rushed bad shots when needed a bucket to trim the lead, he has looked better. Like last year ........

And Cole ......... Seriously only 5 rebounds, 1 block , NO fouls, and only 1 FT attempt. It was embarassing how our bigs were outplayed by Moses and Pilgrim . We aren't talking about Brackens and Pittman, but a couple of 3rd tier big men. Anderson I will grant you is good, but at best is a big guard or small forward.

All in all it appears that we were exposed to the rest of the basketball world. I have faith that Bill will right the ship, but then again he couldn't change our offense up to combat the defense thrown at us today.

K-State just might be licking their chops come Wednesday ..........

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jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

"Really. I continue laugh at those statements because they are pure, unmitigated speculation."--HEM

"EJ and Robinson are the most athletic players."--HEM

Pot. Kettle. Black. :-)

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Your daughters call you jhawkjan42? :-)

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

The best team we will play this regular season is coming into town Wednesday with Big 12 supremacy on the line. Our performance in that game, and then vs. Missouri, will determine whether the loss today is simply typical college basketball, or something to be concerned about. What we saw today, we have seen over the past month .. we have escaped too many times. We have been lucky too many times.

The spin doctors on this page, and everywhere, will want to explain away the negatives ... "we're tough", "we know how to win close games", or now, "this loss can be a good thing" when last week they were saying we don't need a loss for lesson's sake. Please just stop. This team has not demonstrated it learns from anything. The second half against Oklahoma proved the team has made no progress. Same old, same old.

The pressure today has shifted to the Jayhawks. Suddenly, a share of the Big 12 title is a real possibility. If we fail to win our last two, the character of this team will have been revealed. If we win both, the character of this team will be revealed. This is the turning point. Hope the Hawks dig deep.

As a note, in advance, for those of you who will comment "But we only have 2 losses, why is everyone complaining. Can't you just enjoy the ride." ----- please, shut up. This is about a National Championship, not an Elite Eight, or the ride. We've had lots of "rides." *

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate: I was quoting KU above about EJ and Robinson being the most athletic players .. do you disagree?

But on the speculation part, I have speculated all year about the impact EJ would make. And, admittedly, it is speculation. However, the performance of alternative players in the lineup is not speculation, as your critiques have highlighted (I would put a little smiley face here, too, but I have sworn never to create such things with figures from a keyboard).

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Jayhawkr: "And Cole ......... Seriously only 5 rebounds, 1 block , NO fouls, and only 1 FT attempt. It was embarassing how our bigs were outplayed by Moses and Pilgrim"

Bingo. My rantings about neglected to mention that .. But I would have taken three paragraphs to say what you said in one sentence.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

HEM, Calm down really. This is College basketball, I know we want to win Championships every year. Relax have fun enjoy that KU is in the spotlight and has been for decades. You never know when a team or program can just fall of the face of the earth like UNC or UCLA. Everyone just love the team and have fun. I know you can't be having fun by critiqing every little thing about the team, let Self do that. Please share you opinion but have fun doing it. Joke around about it just have fun cause next year we could be 16-13 and heading no where and not having any fun at all. Just look at UNC and UCLA. Everyone have fun enjoy the success while we can it will not last forever.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

Actually, spin doctors will talk alot about how this is s turning point, but in fact from the moment that KU clinched a tie, the remaining games and the conference tourney mean very little.

The competition is so weak this year in Division I that it will really mean very little if one is a 1,2, 3, or 4 seed and KU is now absolutely guarantied one of those seeds in the NCAA tourney.

I wish it weren't so, but it is.

KU has for sometime now been playing itself, not the competition.

Having watched Cuse, Nova, and Kentucky, it is now apparent that they are all missing key pieces of what is required to win the tourney in a year when there are three or four truly good experienced teams playing.

None of these teams can come close to beating KU, if KU is healthy and playing well.

Alas, our health seems to be faultering a bit judging by Cole's and Sherron's 1/4 charged batteries failing more and more frequently sooner and sooner in games.

But we have a few weeks to heal up and/or re-energize before the Madness reaches its second weekend, when KU has to start playing near full tilt to make its run, or go home with an L.

As I have said more and more as the season has worn on, I ain't saying we can do it for sure, but I wouldn't trade our chances with anyone else out there.

Rock Chalk!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinmullen: Nice picture next to your screen name.

Anyway, I don't know how old you are, but "the ride" has lost its lusture for me. "The ride" is for K-State this year, or MU last year. Not for KU. We had rides in '97, '02, '03, and years before, between, and after. As a Jayhawks fan, my season will only be fulfilling with a national title. Sad commentary? Maybe. But only for those that enjoy rides.

Teams I would be concerned about vs. KU in the tournament .. any team north of Texas A&M in the rankings. Be it West Virginia, or Pitt, or Tennessee, or Duke, or Michigan St., or Syracuse, or Kentucky. Would anyone feel comfortable vs. Baylor, or Vanderbilt, in the sweet 16? I doubt it. But hey, enjoy the ride.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 8 months ago

HEM, Your right that is sad on your part. I don't believe you have any fun at all watching KU as you sit around analyzing every aspect of the game. Analyzing and critizing your own team win or lose is pretty weak. I can only imagine being your son or daughter as you analyize every bit of what they do be it basketball or baseball or soccer. Maybe you don't have kids if so thank heavens. Relax and be happy.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 8 months ago

I thought four things doomed us in this game.

1) Poor help D....would do great def. for most of a possession only for them to find a wide open Muonelo cutting through the lane or Pilgrim, or Moses. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

2) Marcus's noninvolvement in the offense.

3)Seemingly REALLY bad officiating wherein Marcus likely should NOT have been called for at LEAST 3 of his 5 fouls.

4)INSANELY good outside shooting by the Cowboys. And yes, they're a good 3-point shooting team, but sorry, noone's THAT good hardly ever!

Despite all of that they almost got back in it.

johnnyphoton 9 years, 8 months ago

Listening to the game on radio and no TV, it sounded like OSU was pure lights out. I couldn't tell if we guarded or not, or if we were late to defend the shooter. Either way, OSU was ghost pepper hot in the first half. Their record and shooting percentage is off the charts at home. There are no home games come NCAA tournament time (let's hope) for the opponent. KU needs to show some grit and win v. KSU. Question is: Can KU beat KSU, lose to Missouri, win two games in the Big 12 tourney and still get a number one seed?

Scott Smetana 9 years, 8 months ago

JohnnyPhoton, I'd have to say we guarded their shots overall fairly well. I can't remember any 'wide open' shots. They were red hot. All of them, from everywhere. Our only chance in the end was to match them (the way Chalmers and Rush did against Texas).

We fought hard and hopefully became better today.

okiedave 9 years, 8 months ago

KU needed this loss. It gives our team the opportunity to sluff off all the hype that they have been receiving and realize that unless they focus our NCAA tournament could very well see an early exit. A loss in 2008 to Okie State, at about the same time of the year, paved the way for a national championship. Losing can sometimes be a chance to put matters in perspective, recharge and refocus.

I would rather be ranked No. 1 at the end of March than now.

gardenjay 9 years, 8 months ago

I know y'all worried about a number one seed. Gardenjay knows a number one seed this year: artichoke! It is not too late to get them started inside...

Steve Brown 9 years, 8 months ago

HEM throw in Maryland, New Mexico and (select one) Drake/Creighton/Washburn/Fort Hayes State.

2015. A. We may look back and recall this season 35-4 and say, that team sure had some nice games, couldn't put teams away, almost made final four and shame we had to share the conference title. Lost in Knoxville, Stillwater, Kansas City and Saint Louis.

or B. Recall 09-10 37-3 Self's 2nd NCAA title, after our thrashing in Kansas City, they played lose, hit shots, enjoyed them selves and played as a team. they stopped rushing shots and making silly mistakes. In Indy our boys couldn't miss, we couldn't be stopped.

I vote B. but predict A.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinmullen: "Your right that is sad on your part. I don't believe you have any fun at all watching KU as you sit around analyzing every aspect of the game. Analyzing and critizing your own team win or lose is pretty weak."

Actually, it is sad on your part .. I believe that was what I said. You have indicted nearly everyone that posts here, except for the daisy pickers like you. You are clearly a YMCA mom (or dad that acts like a mom). Everybody gets a trophy. Winning isn't everything. It is just competing, right? You are a waste of my time even replying. You'll be happy with the ride. And I am thus happy for you. What you don't realize is that analyzing all of this, watching the game on DVR twice, is fun for some. I do get people like you. In someways, I wish I was more that way .. but if I was, I would have never been able to compete in anything, or in life. Meanwhile, you can make sure Billy gets to his rec soccer game and complain to his coach that he doesn't get equal playing time.

Now then, back to reality.

Lighthawk: Your A and B selections are good. But your 4 loss scenario envisions defeating KSU and MU. I am afraid this team is lost .. drifting .. without team leadership .. I've seen it before in many arenas. But most of those teams did not have coaches like coach Self. We won't lose both.

Johnnyphoton: Yes, I do think we get a number one in that scenario. Number ones Duke, Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, not in any particular order.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jaybate..............I'm still not buying your assumption that Self practiced the team too hard this week, resulting in "lead legs".

We looked one step slow because: 1) OSU had more to play for, 2) we had the conference clinched and a trophy ceremony in the bag, 3) KU was the first #1 team to play in Stillwater in forever, 4) we had a long winning streak, 5) Gallagher-Iba was electric, 6) OSU has bouncier, more athletic players than KU, by and large, 7) when your opponent is on fire and can't miss a shot, they are going to have non-stop adrenaline and you're going to appear to be not giving as much effort.

I'm not going to write a novel about each of those points. You can figure it out.

We looked one step slow for the same reason many teams look one step slow when they step on the floor at Allen Fieldhouse: we are capable of playing at a magical level at home because of the fans, the adrenaline, the history.

You can't go without practice this time of year. Our two main go-to guys happen to be the type of athletes whose bodies tend to fail them over a long season. Sherron has had this problem before. Cole is just not the elite athlete type of kid; he's a hard worker who is big.

When we have something more to play for (Wednesday night at home against KSU for senior night) you won't see "lead legs" and assume KU practiced too much.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jaybate........More evidence that we may not have been as "lead legged" as you think: we came into this game averaging slightly less than 8 steals per game in Big 12 games. We had 13 in this game.

You will say "yes, but we had to press and pressure because we were behind so it's not unusual for us to get more steals than average".

We didn't press much the first half. We had 7 steals the first half; 4 in the first 6:20 of the game. So I don't think we were that sluggish. Tyshawn Taylor had a steal the first play of the game. Of course we couldn't convert the free throws, but that's another story.

docileboy 9 years, 8 months ago

Well the Jayhawks should have fresh legs Wed night since they won't have to push the bus.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

KU,

Dang, this is the problem with the economy right now: no one's buying what the other is selling! :-)

As usual, KU, you make me think and I like that. You came up with an initially quite persuasive argument;: that KU had more steals first half when not pressing vs. second half when pressing.

But, after some thought, I can't buy it. :-)

My hypothesis is this:

Self practiced KU too much in order to get ready for both OSU and KSU.

Of the two games, OSU was the more important to Self, since it was the surest way to clinch the title outright.

Self juiced the team emotionally for the OSU game.

So it came out of the blocks on a psychological edge, but with lead legs.

Ford rapped his Cowboys to maximum mojo for the KU game.

They came out sky high and playing at their envelope and so did a lot of good things, but gambled a lot, too. They were hot and dropped 65% of their shots. Cole couldn't clear the wood and get a rebound. They looked awesome, despite getting stripped quite a bit.

KU, which had superior size and ability at every position but Anderson's, naturally started out with an above average number of steals, given the inferior atheletic ability of an OSU team that does not pretend to play pressure defense itself. It has over the season vastly fewer steals per game than KU.

So:KU the first half, despite dead legs, gets quite a few strips, because Self sent them out juiced and looking for strips.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

But the dead legs prevented rebounding and fighting through picks to stay with an OSU offense that tried to shake Anderson loose for mid range and 3pt j's almost every time down the floor.

KU shot cold the first half, which let Ford tell his players to sag. And he switched between zone and m2m just as I predicted he would, if KU shot cold, because KU has evidenced a weakness at recognizing switching defenses this season.

By late in the first half the dead legs turn to flat out fatigue, while OSU tires from playing sky high and relies more an more on an exhausted Anderson.

KU gives a huge effort and closes to 8 points.

KU comes out after half with dead legs again, but slightly more juice in the batteries and 5 minutes into the second half has failed to get the jump on OSU. KU is getting no strips. Its quickly exhausts and begins to labor to close the gap in tiny increments. But the strips basically disappear. Finally with 8-10 or so minutes to go, its do or die and Self sends them out to press. They finally force a few TOs, play on adrenaline for awhile, while OSU tires from maximum effort all game, and KU closes the lead because OSU starts missing both from the field and from the FT line. Basically no one but Anderson has game at this point. Sherron, as always, reaches down and finds a few inches left in what seems an empty tank and scores a cluster of points to bring KU back into the game, but KU just can't get enough stops or strips, even pressing, to really come back and beat an obviously less talented team, because Anderson, another great player, reaches down and finds a few more inches in the bottom of his tank, just enough, to hold KU off.

jaybate 9 years, 8 months ago

In the end, the combination of being juiced early with lead legs, but having superior guards, gets an early wave of steals, but Cole having lead legs and no juice in his batteries at all, plus KU generally running out of gas late in the first half, produces a huge deficit despite a bunch of steals. Then an early second half energy burnout plus forced pressing without sufficient energy to pull it off, basically leaves KU coming back but coming up 8 pts short.

The overall effect is to create the appearance that KU is less athletic than OSU, which really only has one superior athlete in Anderson and a fine trey shooter in Muonelo, plus runt guards that always look way quicker than they actually are.

Now, KU, if our team comes out and plays both halves against a very athletic and very muscular KSU team without fading, and keeps up with them, and if Self has not given them a couple days off between now and Wednesday, then I am going to have to infer that KU just had one of those horrible games a team has during a season, and that Self did not practice them too hard.

But if he gives them some time off before the KSU game, and if they respond with quite a lot of snap in those legs, and Cole comes on strong for 30-35 minutes, and Sherron does not look like his shoes are made of concrete the first ten minutes of each half, and spend the last five minutes of each half suckng for air, well, then, I've got to stick with my hypothesis.

KU 9 years, 8 months ago

jay.....Of COURSE we're going to play with "quite a lot of snap in those legs" Wednesday. We are at home; it's Senior Day; it's K-State; we're coming off a tough loss. Even if they practice harder than they did last week you will see more energy Wednesday; it's just human nature.

You're trying to compare apples with oranges. Of COURSE OSU played with quite a lot of snap in their legs Saturday. They were at home; the #1 team is in the house; it's a sell-out; it's KU/Bill Self; plus all the other reasons I enumerated above that conspired to give us "one of those days" where you just can't overcome.

Junior_34 9 years, 8 months ago

You all want to now what it think well i think that OKSU just got lucky well all i can say it that Wednesday it the big game of the year and you all might disagree with me but KSU is a big game of the year right next to Mazzu so that is what i think and dont for get that two year ago they lost to OKSU and went on the win the NCAA Champing so yea i have a good felling that this will happin this year

GO Halks and stay strong.

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