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Kansas defeats California, 78-63

  • 10 p.m., Dec. 22, 2010
  • Berkeley, Calif.,

Thursday, December 23, 2010

Bruise cruise: Jayhawks win ‘chippy’ contest vs. Golden Bears

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson tries to break free from being restrained after tempers flared against Cal during the second half as Tyshawn Taylor (10) and Cal’s Harper Camp (22) hang out on the periphery.

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson tries to break free from being restrained after tempers flared against Cal during the second half as Tyshawn Taylor (10) and Cal’s Harper Camp (22) hang out on the periphery.

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Highlights: KU vs. Cal

Kansas defeated Cal, 78-63 on Wednesday Dec. 22, 2010 at Haas Pavilion in Berkeley, Calif.

— Ho ho ho and mistletoe? Peace on earth, good will toward men?

Kansas University’s basketball players obviously were saving those sentiments for today through the weekend, not Wednesday night during an intense, heated — call it a Scrooge-like — 78-63 victory over California in Haas Pavilion.

To summarize ...

Marcus Morris was ejected from the game for elbowing Cal’s Harper Kamp in the face with 17:23 to play.

Brady Morningstar was tagged with a technical foul for popping the ball out of Brandon Smith’s hands during a second-half stoppage of play, and Thomas Robinson was flagged for a ‘T’ along with Cal’s Jorge Gutierrez for a heated second-half exchange.

Oh yes, Robinson committed an intentional foul on Gutierrez in the first half, one in which KU — thanks to 13 points from Josh Selby and Markieff Morris — led 38-30 at the break.

“I thought it was ridiculous,” KU coach Bill Self said of KU’s players acting up during their 11th victory in as many tries. “We obviously contributed greatly to it. Cal was chippy also. We didn’t handle it well.”

The Jayhawks had things under control when Marcus Morris left the game with KU up, 47-35. Cal would cut the gap to four points, 47-43, at 15:27, before the Jayhawks righted the ship and won going away.

Markieff Morris by game’s end had 21 points, while Tyrel Reed had 18 and Josh Selby 18.

But everybody wanted to talk about the chippy plays in the game.

Self said he was “really disappointed in Marcus,” who Self said “got what he deserved.”

Morris will not be suspended for the next game.

“The thing that bothers me is when guys put their own agenda ahead of the team. That’s very very selfish,” Self said. “It was about as bad a basketball play as I’ve seen,” he added of the play leading to Cal immediately getting back in the game.

“Marcus is going to get punished big-time,” Self said undoubtedly ready to put some players on the early-morning treadmill after returning from holiday break the night of the 26th. “He’s not the only one. Brady knocking the ball out of the guy’s hands. On the positive front, it’s probably the most fun game we have played all year. Our guys liked that. We competed hard after it got close. When it is chippy, you need to beat them on the scoreboard. We need to mature. We don’t have a mature team and we have known that from the beginning. They are competitive, though.”

He said the chippy behavior is “because of the twins. They’ve got to wake up. We have to mature in some ways. They are competitive.”

The thing that bothered Self most? “That we felt we had to get the last word in,” he said of Morningstar committing the final ‘T’ of the night poking the ball away.

Marcus Morris headed to the bus and didn’t speak with reporters after the game.

Thomas Robinson noted: “It’s a physical game. You get hit sometimes. I went after the ball. He went after the ball. That was it. I got hit. I don’t know if it was intentional or not.

“Coach said he was mad at some dumb plays. We have to be smarter on the court.”

Markieff Morris said of his brother’s ejection: “I didn’t see what happened. You never want to get in the position you have to leave the game.”

Selby didn’t start, but he did play 17 minutes the first half, exploding for 13 points off 5-of-6 shooting, including 3-for-3 from three-point distance. Markieff Morris also had 13 in 15 minutes as the Jayhawks took a 38-30 lead into halftime.

Just four Jayhawks scored in the entire half. Tyrel Reed hit a pair of threes in four tries, while Marcus Morris also had six points.

Cal led KU, 8-5, but then was hit hard by an 18-5 KU run. Markieff Morris scored nine points and Selby six.

KU’s biggest lead of the half was 11 points at 36-25.

• KU center Jeff Withey did not play because of coach's decision.

Comments

newtown 3 years, 4 months ago

ahpersecoachingexperience (anonymous) says… I'm "tickled" that things got "chippy".

Anyone else notice Vegas has us at 2/1 to win the title. Best odds of any team

Remember last year NCAAs. jailhawks were HUGE favorites to go all the way.

how did that work out ?

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KU_FanSince75 3 years, 4 months ago

Reading Jaybates posts would be, well, like, the officials of last night's KU/Cal game going over to the monitors to review the replays-----LOL. Rock Chalk, Jaybate----I couldn't resist, man!

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 4 months ago

jaybate doesn't know what he is talking about, that is why he runs off at the mouth and doesn't say anything. Just skip over this babbling and go on. Thats it, maybe he is just 2 years old and doesn't know any better. Anyone that rambles on that long, as he does means he is trying to sell his point, but no one is listening.

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Steve Gantz 3 years, 4 months ago

Wow, sounds like Murph and Jaybate are getting chippy too.

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jaybate 3 years, 4 months ago

This team's biggest problem, outside the doubting fans that instinctively find the next flaw and hand wring about it, whether it is truly significant, or not, is the fact that it is very young; that it has lots of flaws to be exposed, and lots of things that can be taken away from it. But there came a time when John Wooden understood the ins and outs of how to win that he could win with green wood, as well as properly seasoned and cured wood. Maybe Self is reaching that point.

Just looking around at the competition this season, KU is in a similar position to what it was in last season. There isn't a potential super team, except maybe Ohio State. KU with Selby basically has a better blend of talent, experience, and numbers, and stars, than any other team in the country. No major team in the country is going to walk on the floor with fewer flaws and fewer points to exploit in a game than KU.

For these reasons, KU and Ohio State are almost certainly the teams to beat this season. Duke is getting by on last season's finish and cheap shotting. But without Kyrie, Duke hasn't got a prayer against KU, or Ohio State, today, or in March. And with Ohio State and KU practicing cheap shotting in games now a la Duke, as KU did against Cal, there is no chance Coach Consonants can steal another ring just by cheap shotting with a bunch of disciplined, but not exceptional talents.

Josh Selby is better than anyone on Duke.

Marcus probably will be better than anyone on Duke by March.

Ohio State is the team to watch. A friend warned me about them. I watched them. They are very dangerous. They are for real. Self could outcoach Matta, Selby and Marcus are as good or better than their best guys. But the rest of our players are going to have to get better to be able to beat an Ohio State.

They can.

But they are going to have to play through a lot of fear from flaws in their games being exposed and exploited between now and March.

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jaybate 3 years, 4 months ago

By 2008, BRush, RR, Mario Chalmers, Sasha, had had all their flaws exposed long ago. Self and they did not have to worry about being schemed against, since they had all long since learned how to cope with being schemed against. If they take away one thing, you go to the next thing. You don't lose your cool. You don't say, :"But that's my bread and butter, man, I can't play without my drop step and dunk." If they take your drop step and dunk, you pivot and shoot. You jump hook. You pass to teammates, and wait for the next game when you can do something, but you never panic. Playing with part of your game denied you is par for the course once the play gets serious in conference and post season.

It is a chess game out their not just in coaches heads, but in players heads. They have to see the game board. They have to be able to having things taken away and figure out what to do next...in the moment...not wait for a huddle with Self.

The 2008 ring team is venerated not only because it won the ring, but because it was a completed, finished work of basketball art. Almost every player on the team had learned to play with parts of their game denied them.

They were champions that could get it done, however it had to be done, when it had to get done. Such teams are rare, rare, rare things.

Last year's team, though experienced, had a few too many players that could not find a way to win, when the bread and butter of the team was taken away. They were very close to being a championship team, but there were still flaws in that team being exposed even as it entered February and March. They were such a good team that they avoided losing almost all the time...until a UNI team exposed some flaws in their game and KU lost its shooting eye. The team had too many players that could not find a way to win, when everything was going against them.

This year's team is positively green in comparison to either of those teams. It is a new nucleus of old players fulfilling new roles, plus a bunch of incredibly green wood, at varying stages of psychological and physical maturity.

When Marcus Morris finally breaks through the hazing he is getting, it is going to get brutal on Selby and Kieff. And when they break through, TRob is going to be in a bucket of spit wondering what hit him. It is phenomenally tough to do keep winning as these guys are doing.

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jaybate 3 years, 4 months ago

Last season, opposing coaches were scheming on Cole and Sherron and X and saying if we get beat by Marcus, well, then we'll live with that. Self didn't ask Marcus to do much creating on offense last year. He just said, "You're going to be open alot because of the doubles on Cole, go to the rim, when its open." And Marcus did superbly well at that, so well that Self has made him first option this season.

But this means Marcus is in the unenviable position of suddenly having to fix a lot of flaws in his game in the heat of a season, not in some quiet Lawrence summer full of practice by day and sand bar parties at night, and water skiing in between.

This is the heat of battle.

New opponents keep coming faster and faster. The coaches study the last game, watch what has worked and what has not, and he sees steadily more of what worked. It is frustrating and at times harrowing to a player who is not used to being schemed against. And just about the time he fixes one flaw, they've found another one. And another. By mid January, the flaws begin to seem like the brooms in Fantasia carrying buckets of water--they just keep coming faster and faster. Or a red queen game. The faster you run to catch up with fixing your flaws the farther behind you fall.

Some guys crack and never recover their swaggers. All have doubts that they do not admit publicly to. The young men begin to be role players. Their minutes subside somewhat. It is not unmanly to crack. Anyone can crack. Not everyone is good enough to be a first, or second option player.

Marcus is feeling the heat right now. And it is going to get hotter between now and mid January, when guys start to turn the corner. Sometime around mid to late January, most of the flaws that can be exposed in the given scheme with the given teammates are exposed. From then on, if a go-to guys survives the harrassment and self doubt and stymying of professional coaches watching hours of tape just to screw one or two guys out of their comfort zones with annoying little wrinkles, a guy like Marcus seems to grow an extra pair. Sometime around mid February, these two pair get so big you can hear the slapping on the other bench.

The great advantage in March Madness of having an experienced team, such as KU's '08 ring team, is that all the seniors no longer have to worry about flaws being uncovered, if they are the core of the nucleus for a couple of years.

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jaybate 3 years, 4 months ago

"The Biggest Problem Facing the Current KU Team Outside of Doubting Fans"

When you are a new player, and when you are a new team playing a new nucleus, you get a break for awhile. It takes opposing coaches awhile to gather enough game film to:

a) recognize the weaknesses of individual players; and

b) recognize the weaknesses in the scheme being played by the new nucleus of players.

Until opposing coaches recognize both of the above they have to guess and gamble a bit on what exactly to take away, and how exactly to guard opposing players and schemes.

A coach like Self, a master of masking such things anyway, gives a young team a slightly longer cushion of protection from opposing coaches exposing those flaws.

But by December, sufficient data is usually available for coaches to begin to scheme to hamstring players by taking away one hand, or by giving a level of contact that disrupts a player's concentration, or to know to strip a big as he pivots with the ball too low, or position defenders on help defense to read the tells of a PG, or a wing man feeding the post, and then strip them senseless.

When defenses begin to scheme for these weaknesses is when you separate the young men from the basketball players on your team. Young players particularly often come unglued when the opposition begins to know their weaknesses better than they know them themselves. It is a harrowing moment to realize that what you have lived off of for, say, 8 years of competitive sports, has suddenly been taken away from you, because of flaw in your game you never thought was all that significant.

Learning to play with trusted parts of your game taken away is the great challenge of D1 basketball.

Just ask Marcus Morris.

Opposing defenses have keyed on Marcus, because Self has chosen to play through Marcus, and because opponents have a veritable MGM library of video available to data mine about his weaknesses.

But Marcus is a third year starter. How can he have so many weaknesses to be suddenly discovered and used against him?

Answer: Marcus has never been the go-to guy before.

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shawk13 3 years, 4 months ago

The commentators and refs have been harped on already but did anyone else catch how neutral the TV broadcast tried to portray the double technical situation?
When it first happened the commentators were talking about punches being thrown and showed a replay angle that clearly showed Gutierrez taking a swing at Robinson's face with his left hand. After that initial showing that angle was not shown again, and the commentators switched their banter to there being "no clear aggressor" and "not sure if any punches were even thrown." After the double-t was decided on, they started to show the lower-left hand replay again, but cut it short before Gutierrez threw the punch.

Not a lot I can do about it, but the way they played a replay that clearly showed a punch being thrown, then ignored and downplayed it, made my skin crawl.

Oh well, scoreboard I suppose.

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BPSkelly 3 years, 4 months ago

This team is a million miles away from being championship caliber. Not because they cant be, they can. But they arent yet. Tonight's game made statement loud and clear. I cant recall a more useless "#3" ranking for us in eons. If there's only 2 other teams better than us right now, then everyone else is brutal.

You cant be a great team if you cant get stops regularly. Sorry, you just cant. I dont mean when the other team just misses shots. I mean your defense forces the other team to take tough shots which decreases the odds of them going in greatly. We dont do that much at all. Some, yea. This team isnt going to win games against good teams by simply out gunning them though. All 4 Pac-10 games gave us a game and my guess is one of those makes the tournament.

Maturity is certainly part of the issue. But thats not something Bill Self can coach. Either these guys grow up, or they dont. That'll be a huge factor. This certainly isnt the first college hoops team (or KU team for that matter) thats had a maturity issue. Im not sold on these guys turning the corner on this either. I hope im wrong about that.

There is talent there, and athleticism and depth that makes us serious contenders. I think until we get serious about defending every possession and this team grows up appreciably more this team isnt going to go nearly as far as everyone seems to think it will.

I will ecstatic to be wrong however. As someone mentioned with Selby and the 'controlled chaos' its pretty amazing how much he can do offensively - 2 games in no less. Think how good he'll be when he actually figures it out. The talent is there. I just think we're short on the "D" and maturity part. Thats all.

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Bear86 3 years, 4 months ago

The Jayhawk nation was well represented last night. The difference in the game was KU's depth and the offensive rebounds in the second 1/2. Tyrel Reed had his best game of the year! Selby needs to move to the point asap. TT is still strugling running the point. The Hawks still have a few more games to get their chemistry straightened out before conf play. MK played great. MC get's an D-/F. T-Rob & Releford played well and gave great minutes in MC's absence. Hat's off to all the West Coast Alum's that showed up last night. It's great going into your opponents house and hearing the RC Chant at the end of the game. Thanks TR for saluting the KU fans after the victory. You were the MVP. Rock Chalk!! F-Texas!!

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FreddyinLA 3 years, 4 months ago

This team will go further in the tournament if the ball is in Selby’s hands 80% of the time on offense.

It was refreshing to see this freshman take the ball to the rim where as our freshman last year never did.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

I'm "tickled" that things got "chippy".

Anyone else notice Vegas has us at 2/1 to win the title. Best odds of any team.

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kufankam 3 years, 4 months ago

couple of thoughts:

  1. marcus needs to be smarter.
  2. brady needs to be smarter.
  3. robinson simply needs to channel his aggression elsewhere.
  4. commentators were HUGE homers... mostly in the sense that they simply knew very little about our team or anything east of the Rocky's. Do your homework boys!!
  5. the refs should have t'd jorge for continuing to push T-rob well after the ball went in. they T up thomas and basically tell jorge his antics were okay. this was his second altercation early in the game. the refs let this game become what it was. i rarely comment on officials as i have done it before. the first (minor) incident with jorge and selby was a great oppurtunity to nip that stuff in the butt. either with the sebly, johnson/jorge thing or the trob/jorge situation, the officials just needed to bring ALL TEN players together and look them each in the eye and let them know "This crap stops right now". It is called preventative officiated and is preached adamantly at the high school level (let alone, major D-1 level).
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kstrebor 3 years, 4 months ago

Cal has ugly students and cheerleaders.

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flyingfinn 3 years, 4 months ago

I really liked the mature play of Reed (a senior) and Selby (a freshman); kept the game under control when others were out of control. Don't know how mant rebounds Reed had, but seemed more than some of the bigs. TT took thre steps backwards, a point guardimply has to take care of the ball especially 3 years into the program and Marucs needs to grow and step up also as a leader.

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flyingfinn 3 years, 4 months ago

I really liked the mature play of Reed (a senior) and Selby (a freshman); kept the game under control when others were out of control. Don't know how mant rebounds Reed had, but seemed more than some of the bigs. TT took thre steps backwards, a point guardimply has to take care of the ball especially 3 years into the program and Marucs needs to grow and step up also as a leader.

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KGphoto 3 years, 4 months ago

When you have a reputation as a tough team, the opposing coach is going to emphasize playing tougher against you. This was an overblown version by Mike Montgomery.

Originally I had worried that other teams would see they could get our players ejected by being a thorn, but I just don't see any other ref crews allowing this much nonsense.

Self chuckled all the way to the locker room. All the way home. And will be smiling right through Christmas, just reliving Marcus' elbow, Morningstar's flip, and the thought of what might have happened if TRob hadn't been held back. Because he knows what Mike probably said in the locker room before the game. But it didn't matter. Scoreboard.

An early Merry Christmas for him.

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CrodieBroyle 3 years, 4 months ago

jorge gutierrez is human garbage

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Hank Cross 3 years, 4 months ago

I was at the game and that was the toughest environment by far in the KU games I've seen in CA. At USC in 09 we took over the place. Most of the crowd at a UCLA game are ancient UCLA alumni so there's not much intensity. Last night the Cal fans seemed determined not to get invaded even though we did get the RCJH going at the end.

KU did act stupidly at times,but Cal(especially Gutierrez) was instigating much of it. A tough win in a tough place.

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Hail_To_Thee 3 years, 4 months ago

I would like to ask all those that believe our actions lastnight were out of line a simple question.

When does a man say enough is enough and take a stand?

Cal was physically beating us up all night. I dont mean just roughing us up a little bit. I mean excessive physical contact. That play when TRob got his intentional, look how it started. That damn ponytail dude was driving him completely our of bounds, so much that TRob looked like a damn half moon he was bent over backwards so far. There was no foul called on the Cal player.

I'm glad our players stood up for themselves tonight. If I were Coach Self, I would have been ejected because I would have been unable to control myself. The refs were so rediculously out of touch and you could tell from the first 2 minutes of the game that it was going to be that way. We had 4 fouls in the first 2 minutes. And they were some BS calls. The TRob, Ponytail scuffle proves how F'd up the refs were. I watched that scuffle over and over again after the game and I seen absolutely nothing that would make me think TRob deserved a technical. He went after a loose ball like he should have and he got control. He then covered the ball up and that F'n ponytail dude jumps on him and once again, starts shoving elbows into TRobs face. TRob kept his composure only until they pulled ponytail off of him. Only then did TRob appear that he wanted to rip that boys head off and sh!t down his neck. Again, I cant say that I blame him.

So, again I ask all of you. When is a player allowed to say damn it, GTF off me. If the refs will not make it happen, do we just take a beating all night? Should refs be disciplined for ironically "missing" all the stunts that Cal was making? I'm sure if questioned they would say "I didnt see that". Well refs, I hope you DVR'd the game and go back and watch all your mistakes. Learn from them and then learn to call a fair game.

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Funhawk 3 years, 4 months ago

HCBS wanted to be chippy and tussle on the floor, too!

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PickleFuzz 3 years, 4 months ago

Did anyone else her the RCJH chant at the end? AWESOME!

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 4 months ago

Well, it was ugly and a poor game by Marcus, he should know better then that. I would say we were lucky in someways. Again, Brady Morningstar proved by point that he is not a player. Looks like Bill has had enough of Brady also. No points, two drives for a layup and missed both. Technical foul which was uncalled for. One rebound, and throw the ball away to Cal twice. Then fouled Cal player on drive to basket twice which resulted in a 3 point play for Cal. The team is just so much better with Brady on the bench, what a drag to the rest of the players. Reed had a great game 3 3's, 6 rebounds, drive to the basket 3 times resulted 6 points, and 3 free throws and a total of about 16-18 points. Now this kid needs to play and Bill, keep Reed in the game. Taylor did ok and looks to be getting better. Robinson turning into a power player, and going to make, and is a, great contribution to the team. Brady showed that he just isn't a good player and the way the announcers said last night that Bill has put him in and then has had to sit Brady on the bench. The kid just doesn't have it. Doesn't look to score, just passes the ball. For the length of playing time last night he didn't try and create(only twice) a shot for himself or his team mates. A team can't keep winning games like that without scoring from all players, especially a player who is a senior. Put Brady on the bench and keep him there as a last resort.

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Randy Maxwell 3 years, 4 months ago

How many games will Marcus be suspended for? His so called elbow will be deemed a punch once thew league reviews it. The guy may of had it coming but we have to have more restraint

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Kevin Crook 3 years, 4 months ago

Despite all of the dirty play and baloney, we played much better in the second half. We took way too many quick, outside shots in the first half. When we do that we are a very average team. We don't need to take an open look 5 or ten seconds into the shot clock. We need to make the other team defend a little, get at least one good ball reversal. Look for closer shots, draw fouls, pass more, dribble less. Also I thought it was alarming that Withey never saw the floor too. I think he makes some surprisingly good plays when he gets a chance. He's obviously not made HCBS comfortable with his defense. Couldn't be much worse than what we have shown at times without him though.

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Brak 3 years, 4 months ago

This is an immature team, but what it is really lacking is a leader. I can remember some games in a the last couple years when the Jayhawks would be getting disrespected by the other team and Sherron would get everybody together and instead of being chippy back they would just run the score up on them. Thats what I would have rather seen last night, beat them by 40 in their own house, too me that is showing the other team whats up compared to throwing some elbows.

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newtown 3 years, 4 months ago

THE THUGS are showing their true colors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A F'ING DISGRACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HAWKTOPIA 3 years, 4 months ago

This is a manly game. Push back or be pushed around. I have no fault for TRob, as that player entwined himself on his arm from behind, and very aggressively. While Brady should have held his flick of the ball, that too was an aggressive player chesting him face to face. stand your ground, make him go around. ball flicks will lead to blindness.

It is clear to see that Selby has inside and outside shooting prowess. he was a bit off on his driving floaters, but they will drop soon enough. Tyshawn needs to pull up and score from 4' and not try off balance bankers as finishing shots. get there, get square and POP! (or dish) if his shots inside 6' had gone 50% this wouldhave been a 25 pt win.

I was so happy to see us stand up to Cal gutterball. if we had taken the high road it would have been perfect. Wise man say, "don't wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty and onlookers don't know the difference."

If you are a bit obsessed with overviews, then forget the back and forth, when we make free throws we are hard to beat! when we shoot FT poorly we are but mortals.

Nothing makes an east coast hawk happier than hearing "Roooock Chaaaaalk Jaaaay haaaaawk, Kaaaay Uuuuuuuuu from the fans carrying our torch out west.

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tis4tim 3 years, 4 months ago

Frustrating to watch from a mental toughness standpoint.

When other teams dangle the "Jay bait" we have a tendency to oblige and let the other team get into our heads. In a few moments of frustration, a 15 point lead was reduced to 4 and we lost Marcus. That could have been disastrous. On the other hand, I don't know how much trash talking and cheap shotting one is supposed to accept before taking a stand. Whether Cal's behavior was intentional or out of frustration at our defense, at some point enough is enough. You eventually have to stand up to bullies. Despite the fact he admonished the team about their lack of control with his words during the in-game interviews, you could almost detect a bit of enjoyment on Self's face and in his voice at the fact we stood up for ourselves and didn't back down.

That said, we need to have more composure because if the tape reveals a retaliatory streak in our guys, more teams are going to use our reactionary nature against us when it matters. The last thing I want to see come tourney time is a zone defense built on instigation.

This is why I applaud Reed's performance last night even beyond his excellent stat line. He stayed level-headed as you'd want any senior to do and continued to play his game in spite of the added tension. He lead by example and it was great to see.

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R2D2 3 years, 4 months ago

Now that "chippy" is in our vocabulary, below is somewhat of a definition for us to go by this season I found in a google search....

aggressive and hypersensitive, irritatingly resentful. The word is based on either the 19th-century ‘chip in’, meaning to interfere, or the later notion of having ‘a chip on one’s shoulder’.

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Sean Rodger 3 years, 4 months ago

We shoot the three ball way to much - we don't establish an inside game near often enough. I was sick of them jacking the threes!

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Travis Shinkle 3 years, 4 months ago

First, Haas was at least 30-40% KU last night which irritated the locals to no end. Every time the large KU contingent started to make noise or boo Gutierrez the locals tried to counter it.

Second, BCRavenJHawkfan is right on the fact that the Cal players were talking as much smack as K-State would--obviously two completely different schools and situations--but I do think that is a reason (not "the" reason) why some KU players took exception to the talking (Personally, I think Cal talking smack is on the same level as UMKC talking smack).

Third, the game was officiated, on both ends, by three refs who probably will never officiate anything but a Pac-10 game--and we know what kind of reputation the Pac-10 has with officiating. Ticky tack fouls, blown calls, and imaginary fouls was a large part of the problem last night; the refs allowed things to get out of control early. If this was officiated by virtually ANY other major conference officials, they (the refs) would have pulled the two teams aside early on and given them a stern warning--not so last night.

And fourth, once again I agree with BCRaven..., this game, with it's physical nature, should somewhat remind and prepare the Jayhawks for conference play. But, like I said above, Haas had a large KU crowd last and comparatively speaking, the Cal fans are docile, sleeping children compared to the conference road game environments that KU will play in the next two months...

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Ron Franklin 3 years, 4 months ago

TRob & Marcus' intentional elbows were unacceptable. In both cases they intentionally swung their elbows trying to make contact with Cal players chin.

They embarrass their program when they play like thugs, and they should both be suspended a game for this ridiculous behavior. Good thing he wasn't needed, because Marcus really let his teammates down last night.

I know Bill will take care of it though.

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BCRavenJHawkfan 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes it was ugly and our guys should have behaved differently, but this is just what was needed. This is the exact type of game to expect from conference opponents such as OSU, MU, and NU. And should we see Michigan State in March.

Don't overlook why it happened. 1. Cal players were constantly undercutting down low. I'm surprised there were not any injuries from those cheap tactics. 2. Cal was talking trash beyond the norm. During time outs the television audio could pick up those in the crowd mouthing off as well, and there was some pretty nasty stuff said. 3. I think our guys are searching for attitude. Maybe the Little incident should have been a signal.

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jrbill67 3 years, 4 months ago

This team needs leadership. Thank heavens for the maturity and play of veteran Markieff Morriss,Tyrel Reed & Josh Selby. Marcus & Tyshawn reverted back to their younger days of poor play and stupidity. If this team is going anywhere this year, Marcus has to be on the floor and Tyshawn has to start making good decisions. It might also help if Brady started playing well. He has no shot and is average on defense and short on brains & leadership.

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FSUJHAWK 3 years, 4 months ago

Our immaturity button will be pressed again this year by certain in conference and tournament teams. Luckily, HCBS will get these guys under control, if not, they will eat the pine-plain and simple!

Physical, tough and determined basketball is certainly needed at Kansas, however, Thug Basketball is something we do not want associated with Kansas Basketball.

Make us proud boys.

RCJHGKU!!!

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Robert Murphy 3 years, 4 months ago

It looked like the Bloods and the Krips playing on the basketball court. The only thing this game lacked was a drive by shooting. At least two of the Cal players should have been tossed especially the punk with the pig tail . This is not how the game should be played however I blame the home team for the problem. No one who values the game can think his is how it should be played.

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kesmithstl1 3 years, 4 months ago

I truly believe Coach Self was disappointed in Marcus. That being said, he loved that game. At some point during the season, you have to find out what you are made of. If that means playing dirty, then so be it. I have no problem with the chippiness of the game. Self won't say he likes that, but I guarantee, when he watches film with his coaches, he will like what he saw.

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jhwkfan162515 3 years, 4 months ago

Good grief, you guys, this ain't the 'hood! Play with some class and composure!

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doolindalton 3 years, 4 months ago

I thought Norm Stewart was retired. He must have been working on the Cal sideline Wednesday night. Just like the old Missouri teams, those guys were punks and deserved every "unintentional" elbow that came their way. They were obviously trying to bait the Jayhawks into retaliating by pushing and shoving. KU must learn to control themselfves against better teams, even when the referees are awful and lose control of the game.

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KEITHMILES05 3 years, 4 months ago

Withey needs to step it up and start contributing. The last couple games he was absolutely pitiful.

Have to wonder if Tyshawn is threatened by Selby and it's getting into his head. He's like that with his ego. He just needs to play ball and he'll get his and stop worrying that he won't get what is coming to him.

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Kye Clark 3 years, 4 months ago

Will post more later I'm sure, but something I'll address right now: the fact that Jeff Withey didn't play at all on a night Marcus gets ejected with 17 minutes left in the contest speaks volumes. No mention of a violation of team rules, so the only obvious conclusions are either he is dogging it in practice or is just much further behind expectations and development necessary to help this team. Come on Jeff! We need a 4th big. You've been here long enough to see the work the Twins put in to get better after their freshman campaign, and you've seen TRob develop into a absolute force in this now his sophomore season. Put in the work required to make the necessary strides.

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kirkhinrichflow 3 years, 4 months ago

Selby really showed tonight that he could dish the rock, play stingy defense and play very un-selfish basketball.....only a matter of time until he brings the house down with a fast break bang out

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kushaw 3 years, 4 months ago

Tavis Releford: He looked a lot better in the second half and towards the end of the game than he did during the first half. Releford did have some problems on the defensive end tonight, more so than other games we've seen him play. He is playing out of position now, but that is giving him more minutes so it's hard to complain to much about his production. He just needs to "Slow Down" and it will come to him. That first lay-up of the game after his steal was downright ugly. Hammer that baby!

Elijah Johnson: I am really feeling for this kid. He looks confused, lost, lacks confidence, and ultimately just doesn't know what to do out there. I don't know what else to say. His confidence is totally shaken. As a player, once you lose your confidence, and you feel you're giving your best for your coach, it's very hard to climb out of that mindset. It is absolutely without a doubt a mind game with EJ. His constant "Thinking" out there on the court is completely destroying him. Physically he's fine, but his "Inner Strength" is being ripped right out of him. You can see it on the court. I feel for this young man, but it's also on him to change it. I sure hope he climbs out of it.

Jordan Juenemann: Yes, you get mentioned Mr. Juenemann. Your denial "D" on the inbounds pass from the opposite baseline was nice. Your hustle should never be questioned and you did everything that was asked of you in your 1 minute of play to help some of the other guys not pick up a cheap foul. Well done!

Well, You're probably thinking that I've forgotten to mention Morningstar, Marcus and T-Rob, but I've done that on purpose. I've saved those 3 for last because all 3 lacked "Mental Toughness". Sure, I understand you're not going to back down to anybody, but all 3 of you have to use your heads and not retaliate in those 3 situations. I would definitely say that Marcus and Morningstar let the emotions and the fire on the court affect their overall game and performance tonight. As for T-Rob, I think it kind of fuels him, but nonetheless he has to be smarter than that. Because of their "Lack of Mental Strength" they get nothing from me in terms of analysis.

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kushaw 3 years, 4 months ago

Reed was everywhere tonight. He knocked down 3's, He had some great drives to the basket, had a fantastic "And 1", was stifling on defense, and was everywhere on the boards. His statline was 6-11 for 18 points, 3-8 from 3 point range, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assist, and 1 turnover. Career game and I expect more games like this out Reed with Taylor and Selby Creating for him. Reed is the "Lee Humphrey" of this Kansas team and he's going to be a joy to watch for the remainder 2/3rds of this season.

Josh Selby: Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the other C0-MVP. Can you say "WOW"? Even his misses are spectacular! The only thing not falling for Selby last night was his "Floater" but even those resulted in 2 offensive rebounds for 4 points for the big guys.

As was Reed, Selby was everywhere. That steal where he went behind the back and then crossed back over only to give a lob pass to Marcus was oh so sweet. Pretty amazing actually!

The thing about Selby is.......he is in control at all times and knows exactly what is he going to do even when he doesn't know what he's going to do 95 percent of the time. It really is a joy to watch. His ability to create for himself and others is simply remarkable. I think the thing that most impressed me tonight was the fact that during the last 7 minutes of the game he was controlling tempo, taking care of the basketball, and telling people where they needed be. He was in complete control, had confidence that is almost borderline abusive cockiness (This is a good thing) and the scary thing is, he is just a freshman. Wow just Wow!

Tyshawn Taylor: Stat wise Taylor had a rough night, but all in all in the grand scheme of things I don't think Taylor played all that badly. Yes, He shot 1-8 from the field, but he was getting a lot of contact in the body when he was driving to the rack. The great thing is, which is different from the old Tyshawn Taylor, is he didn't sulk and kept playing and battling through his own struggles. That is a sign of a true winner. Rough night, but there is more good than bad from his performance tonight so in the long run that is only beneficial for the Jayhawks.

Kief: Overall he had a great game stat wise with 21 and 10, but he took some bad shots at important parts of the game. Kief is a little soft on the block at times and needs to toughen up. He gets pushed off the block at times and when that happens he needs to kick the ball back out to the perimeter so he can re-establish his position. He "Settles" at times for shots. I did love the "What are you doing?" response by Self when he took that ill-advised 3 in the first half. Very solid performance for Kief. Just needs to toughen up a little more

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kushaw 3 years, 4 months ago

KU survived, literally, in it's first true road game of the season. In a very physical and aggressive game KU showed some of it's immaturity by not keeping their composure during some heated exchanges.

Offense: This was basically a game of spurts for both teams. KU played very well post T-Rob intentional foul all the way through Marcus' flagarant foul where he was ejected.

I will be honest, I am not a fan of the Taylor, Reed, Morningstar, Releford, and or Kieff or Marcus or T-Rob lineup. However, on the flip side, I love the Taylor, Selby, Reed, and any combination of the 2 between Kieff, T-Rob and Marcus. I thought that combination played the best tonight.

The Hawks for the most part played pretty well throughout if you take away the mental lapse's from the "Flying Elbows". I felt Kieff and Marcus were out of sync for a brief stretch in the first half letting 3's fly. They were a combined 1-4 and 2 of them were completely ill advised shots when KU was trying to extend on their 8 and 10 point lead.

It was nice to see KU get their FT shooting touch back as they shot 15-18 for 83 percent. Between Reed and Selby they both shot 6-12 from Deep so I'll take that. Get rid of some of those 3's by the Twins and KU's 3 point shooting was very efficient tonight. I also loved the fact that KU was back to dishing and creating again for others as they had 15 assists on 28 made Field Goals. Now that is production.

Defense: I thought the individual perimeter defense was fantastic tonight. Everybody was swarming and trying to get out in the passing lanes and that created some nice easy transition buckets as KU had 10 steals.

We didn't see much "Double Teaming" by KU tonight in the post and I was kind of glad. I'm not a big fan of that defense, but then again Cali isn't that big in the post either. I did think that for some mild stretches during this game that the Cali posts "Outworked" KU's big's. Cali did have 13 offensive rebounds. I don't think The Twins and T-Rob were completely focused tonight evident by the fact of T-Rob's intentioanl foul and Marcus' ejections. That's just a mindset thing you can't let happen.

Player of the Game: Well, I'm giving a Co-MVP despite what anybody says. My Co-MVP goes to Josh Selby and Tyrel Reed. Reed had probably one of the best games of his career and it's no shocker that it comes at the disposal of Josh Selby in only his second game of his career. The pair of Selby and Reed work really together almost like a teeter totter.

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