Tuesday, December 21, 2010

KU basketball assistant coach Kurtis Townsend familiar with Cal

Townsend worked for Golden Bears from 1993 to '97


Kurtis Townsend knows all there is to know about University of California basketball, having worked as a Golden Bears’ assistant coach from 1993 to ’97.

His pick for the best player in school history should come as no surprise.

“Jason Kidd, no question,” Townsend, Kansas University’s seventh-year aide, said of the 10-time NBA all-star who currently plays for the Dallas Mavericks.

“Kevin Johnson was very good. Lamond Murray and those guys who won a national championship (1959, NCAA runner-up in 1960) under coach (Pete) Newell, but that was a different era,” added Townsend. He coached point guard deluxe Kidd just one season — Kidd’s second and final season — at Cal.

Kidd, whose freshman year ended with a Sweet 16 loss to KU in St. Louis, did not play all his home games at 11,877-seat Haas Pavilion, site of Wednesday’s 10 p.m. nonconference clash between the Jayhawks (10-0) and Bears (6-4).

“We played mostly in the (Oakland) Coliseum to accommodate the larger crowds that Jason helped attract,” Townsend said. “Their current arena was once called Harmon Arena. They remodeled it and tried to do what we did with Allen, keep the traditional feel of the building, but make it more modern. It’s really a nice facility.

“They won it (Pac-10) last year, so I’m sure the crowds have gotten better. My last year, we went to the Sweet 16, but didn’t win the league. We had good crowds but didn’t sell out every game. Stanford, UCLA … games like that we’d sell out.”

Haas Arena should be loud as ever Wednesday with the No. 3-ranked Jayhawks in town and Cal coach Mike Montgomery seeking his 600th career victory (against 270 losses).

“He is an unbelievable coach,” Townsend said of Montgomery, now in his third year at Cal. He’s also coached college at Stanford (18 years) and eight years at Montana, to go with two seasons with the NBA’s Golden State Warriors.

“He’s a good recruiter and a heck of a defensive coach. He has a nice little system that’s worked nicely for him,” Townsend said. “He had great teams at Stanford and went to the Final Four there. I like him a lot as a person and respect him a lot as a coach.”

The Bears, who have averaged 7,611 fans in six home dates, own a 4-2 home record, with losses to San Diego State (77-57) and Southern Miss (80-78) to go with wins over Cal State-Northridge, New Mexico, UC Davis and Cal Poly. The Bears are led by 6-8 junior Harper Kamp (13.1 ppg) and 6-3 junior Jorge Gutierrez (12.6 ppg).

“It’s just a great institution,” Townsend said of Cal. “The academics are really good. It’s a beautiful area. It doesn’t get much better than Berkeley. My memories were fond because it’s the first job I ever had in college. It was a dream come true for me to coach at that level. With that and being pretty good, it was nice. Of course, it was home for me.”

Townsend grew up in the Bay Area. He came to Cal from Willow Glen (Calif.) High School.

“It’s going to be great to be back,” Townsend said. He and the Jayhawks arrived early Monday evening. “I love it back there. It’s one of the prettiest places in the country to live. The weather is always good. There’s a lot to do. It will be great to see some family and friends.”

Any seafood dining recommendations for fans?

“Scott’s Seafood in Jack London Square. Kincaid’s is a place we’ll eat at,” he said of the restaurant in Oakland the Jayhawks flocked to at 7 p.m. Monday. “The absolutely best for me is Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco because it’s so fresh, and they catch it every day.”

Selby honored: KU’s Josh Selby on Monday was named Big 12 rookie of the week. Selby scored 21 points and hit the game-winning shot in Saturday’s 70-68 victory over USC. He finished 5-of-11 from the field, 5-of-8 from three. Selby became the first KU freshman to earn rookie of the week accolades since Xavier Henry was named three times last season. Khris Middleton of Texas A&M was named player of the week.

Taylor up for Cousy Award: KU junior Tyshawn Taylor is one of 66 candidates for the Bob Cousy Award, which goes to the country’s top point guard. Big 12 guards on the list: Taylor, A.J. Walton (Baylor), Alec Burks (Colorado), Diante Garrett (Iowa State), Jacob Pullen (Kansas State), Michael Dixon, Phil Pressey (Missouri) and Keiton Page (Oklahoma State).


Ralster Jayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

Btw, does anyone find the 1st sentence in this story just plain misleading? How can Townsend "know all there is to know about Cal bkball" when he hasnt been there in 13yrs? The head coach there is different also. Nothing but the town knowledge, and likely that is dated too, but thats a side point to supposed basketball "inside info", that clearly doesnt exist. Nice try, LJW.


Ralster Jayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

ict, I posted some response to someone the last couple of days about the whole Bradebate regarding EJ/Releford, and feel its unfortunate some people's points got sidetracked/caught up in 'hard definitions' of the 1, 2, 3 positions in SelfBall, and especially this year. As you know, WildBill himself not only calls them combos, but currently is starting 3 guards (all between 6'3-6'4) at the 1,2, 3. And at times they all bring the ball up (add McM occasionally), so any suggestion that EJ cannot play the 3 while Brady does--doesnt really make sense. Hypothetically he can play the 3, but more accurately, he already has been out there with 2 other 6'3 guys anyway. The main question for us is: can whoever is on the court actually produce positively for us offensively/defensively? I mean seriously, WildBill is throwing traditional position definitions out the window this year with playing a 6'5 and 6'6 guy (Relef+Little)at the 4, anyway. I personally think if (in the last 2-3 weeks) you ask EJ to do what Brady does at the 2 or 3...he could do it. Just my opinion, which I will stick with...trying to find ways we could be more 'unpredictable' on offense and start blowing out even decent teams. Selby actually is a great wild card to have, as no one knows what he can/will do offensively--makes us that much more dangerous to opponents (just like adding EJ to the mix would, imho--although Self seems to have a pretty tight leash on EJ, so may mine is a moot point). Take care


Kent Wells 3 years, 3 months ago

For goodness sakes you people, STFU! Discuss the article, or at least basketball. I have seriously damaged my track ball avoiding the horse turds laid down on this particular article.


Kye Clark 3 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate wasted a whole post with some fictional quasi-scientific babble about my brain and EJ and Brady not even playing the same position. Guess what? He's right. They don't play the same position generally. I would challenge him to find one place where I suggested playing EJ at the 3. That has never been my position, and he will find no evidence of me saying anything close to that. I have wanted EJ to play more, and have agreed with HighEliteMajor "more or less" about playing EJ more, but that is not me saying "start EJ instead of Brady at the 3". Sometimes Brady has played the 2, and even the point when bringing the ball up the court. There were minutes to be had there. He could take a few of Tyrel's minutes at the 2. Just a few extra minutes at the 2 every game to give him more court time. However, I am not posting to re-hash this same old discussion. No, the purpose is to point out that apparently Jaybate is so lost in his own little world he lost sight of the fact that I have never advocated playing EJ at the 3, and if he (or anyone else for that matter) can find a post where I say that and will point it out to us I will happily admit that I was wrong. Until then, he is simply fabricating my position, which it's pretty easy to convince himself he is right when he apparently has no idea what my position is, instead falsifying my side of a discussion to suit his grandstanding.

And btw, that's pretty offensive to refer to anyone as "my boy" (heck, I was ripped for simply repeating that some posters, not me, refer to Brady as Self's boy). Not that I would expect him to care about being offensive.


Kye Clark 3 years, 3 months ago

Just saw this about K-State's Pullen and Kelly:

Undermanned, they lost to UNLV in the Sprint Center. While I'm certainly not shedding any tears over it, the loss will adversely affect KU's RPI. On the plus side, USC went on the road and beat Tennessee, so that helps.


SDSurferFan 3 years, 3 months ago

I was stoked for Jaybate to comment on my SDSU rant and then he later posted that novel. I think he was telling me, and maybe others, 'shut up about San Diego State, this is a KU site.' It scared and detracted me from ever possibly posting again. Sorry, I'll stay on point.... :)


Jack Wilson 3 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate: Perhaps this destroys your whole theory. Who knows .. but you state,

"You and HEM are, like so many ideologues--impervious to reason and in denial about outcomes contradicting your expectations. Let me repeat that: you are often impervious to reason and often in denial about outcomes relative to your expectations."

Remember last year. I stated that I never thought TT could become a productive, team first player. I was one of his biggest critics here. This season, in many posts, I have recognized my error and that TT has done something I did not expect. And I did that by keeping an open mind, and reconsidering my opinion. And really, I am a very open-minded person, willing to be proven incorrect in my opinions. I just need evidence to change my mind. Remember, just opinions. There are many things that could occur for me to change my opinion here, and admit I am incorrect.

It would just seem that the opinion itself, that you disagree with, is why you have resorted to this odd discussion. By focusing on this ideologue diversion, which you have conjured up and created, you do nothing but embarrass yourself. But you have also said a lot about yourself at the same time.

I have read ict's posts, agreed, disagreed, etc. He simply makes rational arguments for his position, has a set of beliefs, and appears to form those beliefs based on what he observes.

Relax, my man. This is a discussion about how many minutes a basketball player should play.


KU_FanSince75 3 years, 3 months ago

PV---I would like to think I would be included in that group, too! However, I do agree with your last sentence. I, too, enjoy the debates as much as you do.

Rock Chalk.


PVJayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago


I am not insensible to the compliment you afforded me yesterday and thank you for it. I hope to occasionally interject something of interest, although perhaps not all of my endeavors have met with universal satisfaction.

It is evident that you, Jaybate, 100, ICT, Kushaw, Oakville, Ralster, and some others seem to have a profound knowledge of basketball, certainly much greater than my own, and I find the debates between you most illuminating and interesting.


Mike Bratisax 3 years, 3 months ago

Not sure what insights Coach Townsend might have from his experience '93-97 other than the best restaurants and even that is most likely dated.


Kye Clark 3 years, 3 months ago

Poor, poor Jaybate. So desperate for attention and validation that I see he carried over to this thread what was being discussed yesterday on a different article and was in no way brought up by anyone else but him on this article, that he has to drone on for multiple posts of drivel saying "look at me! Hear me! I'm right! Posters, I'm doing you a service and in return I expect your unconditional and obedient agreement." No I didn't read but the first sentence saying "ict..." and then in scrolling down caught "blah blah blah...ideologue...blah blah blah ideologue...blah blah blah ideologue." For someone who said "How many times do I have to tell an ideologue that just because he says something does not make it so?" yesterday, I would say that just because he says "ideologue" more times than a poster he insulted yesterday (by likening him to a cackling hyena) typed "LOL" , it does not make anyone want to listen to him. Not worth debating him, but worth pointing out his attention-seeking behavior, all in the name of trying to make himself feel self-important.

I fully expect a response something along the lines of "isn't that convenient that you won't debate me. Could it possibly be that you have no logic or rationale to engage in such a debate?", while throwing in the word "ideologue" a few times for good measure. No, it's because as I stated yesterday, in his own mind he has won every debate already, before it even takes place. And all that is left for him is to try and belittle fellow Jayhawk fans.


jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 3 months ago

What position does Jaybate hold at the newspaper office??


Tony Bandle 3 years, 3 months ago

That headline gave me a momentary scare.....I thought they were talking about Calipari!! I was going to tell Coach Townsend to stick to porn stars.


Travis Shinkle 3 years, 3 months ago

My buddy and I are going to be in Haas so hopefully the place is packed with KU fans...


bikemanbc 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey lucky fans,

I will miss being at the game in person, but enjoy the Bay Area! I have called two places home in my life.....Lawrence and Berkeley.

Sea food is great as written up here. In Berkeley for coffee it's Peets! For pizza its worlds best- Zachary's.

Go Hawks!!


jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

It is nothing personal. I would have commented in the same fashion upon anyone that happened along. Ideologues like you and HEM surface in all fields of endeavor and discourse.

Board rats benefit from learning about all types of aliases.

Unlike you two, I do not mind how long or short you post, though I must say you are getting positively jaybateian in the length in many of your posts. Of course, you know that is not a smear, because I like myself, as much as I like others. :-)

Nor do I feel I am beating my head against a wall when playing and working out with you here in the logonasium.

I have no problems with you being here and ask only that you try to get better at overcoming your ideologies, when and if you can.

I even like you two ideologues, but suspect I would like you even more, if your ideologies did not so limit the mutual benefit of discourse.

You two are so impoverishing yourselves regarding discourse.

But I for one love you both.

Getting to know aliases is part of the beauty and the pain of interactivity.

Rock Chalk!


jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

Ol' ideological ict just carries on repeating the same mistake. You just carry on pre-emptively attacking and invading territory for the same ideological reasons that you are unable to doubt, or question, because they are premised on ideological thinking. You and HEM are, like so many ideologues--impervious to reason and in denial about outcomes contradicting your expectations. Let me repeat that: you are often impervious to reason and often in denial about outcomes relative to your expectations.

Not much in the way of logic, or valid data sets, or fitting methodologies of analysis compells you away from one of your self-evident assumptions you view incorrectly, as ideologues are want to do, as a priori facts. Nothing really makes you doubt your point of view. Not even the professionalism of a successful coach. Not revealed fallacies in your thinking. Not revealed misuse of data sets. Not errors in your methodologies, formal or informal. Nothing changes you, except someone building on what you are already wrong, or right about.

So why would ol' jaybate waste his time writing long about this?

That's easy.

I'm just using you and HEM as examples of ideologues in public discourse, because you make good case studies that will help board rats learn to recognize ideologues in all walks of life. I am trying to help this board get better.

Ideologues and their ideologies are mostly anathema to reasoned and thoughtful discourse about issues.

But ideologues are a fact of life. They are among us. But they are people, too. They deserve compassion and they deserve to be included, like everyone else does.

So: the only solution I have found to be both compassionate and inclusive is to alert folks in a community to what they are dealing with, so that they can include them and defend themselves from the irrational, aggressive aspects of ideological behavior.

Trust me ict (and HEM), if you were not ideologues, you would probably recognize instantly what I am writing and trying to do here.


jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

An honest description of you in terms of your observable actions (posting) and of HEM, is only fair. It removes the clouds of discourse with you. It helps make you more understandable to me and to others. You should be thanking me for doing so. Many probably knew you were an ideologue before I began pointing it out, and they probably just say, 'yeah, well, geez, jaybate, you're just mastering the obvious." But there are a few board rats who seem simply confused by you, sometimes even hurt. I am hopeful that my efforts to call attention to your apparent mind set and approach to posting and interactions will help them come to be comfortable disagreeing with you and not expecting you to respond rationally to reasoned arguments. I am hopeful they will come to expect your ideological responses and be tolerant, but not so defensive they stop posting. We need them more than we need you for the discourse to remain vital.

Unlike some close minded folks say reflexively, I don't want you to stop posting. Unlike ideologues, I don't care how long you post, or how short. I want to use you and HEM as constant reminders of how ideologues apparently think and observably act. You are invaluable to the site, if understood and viewed as your actions appear.

I kind of like to study human nature, and over the years have had to learn to recognize various personalities in groups and on committees and at parties, and so forth. I am not alone in doing this. It is a typical activity for persons with normal brain function operating in competitive and/or cooperative environments. I say get to know those you must interact with, so you can move toward the positive and be the most effective person you can be for yourself, your family and your community.

As I mature with age, I more and more realize that among the most positive acts a civilized human being can do is to recognize and point out ideologues to any non-ideologues within ear shot, or eye sight.

It wouldn't be being honest, if I didn't say you and HEM were ideologues.

And I'm not telling you, or HEM, out of any Quixotic expectations that you will change. You are a sports ideologue, ict (and to reiterate, no, this is not name calling, this is an accurate descriptor). It doesn't matter how many times what you say is contradicted by logic and facts and relevant data sets. It does not matter how many times someone points out a more fitting hypothesis, or even says "I don't have the right answer but I'm sure you're wrong." You just won't give up your wrong headed notions unless a more fitting hypothesis builds on your wrong-headed notions. :-)


jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

And i have not come at this ideologically. I have done my duty as a duly diligent board rat. I have "explored" the issues you have advanced, even when it was pretty self-evident that you were wrong about these issues. I have read and read and read and read and read, and found little in your positions that cannot be persuasively refuted, regardless of whether a better explanation can be yet be found.

"I've been beating my head against the wall with another poster, Dr. Roach."--ict

Of course you have been beating your head against a wall, ict. You almost always beat your head against a wall, unless someone agrees with you. That is what ideologues do.

Note a sterling difference between what you and I do. I am often altered sharply in my thinking by what board rats say. Some particularly pithy board rats can change my mind in an instant.

Why can't you most of the time?

I'm not a genius. I am constantly confronted with mysteries I cannot understand, or figure out without the help of board rats here. I learn from so many here. I learn from those that agree with me frequently and from those that disagree with me frequently.

So: Why do I learn so little from you and HEM?

I kept asking myself that question.

Finally it hit me.

You and HEM are ideologues. I almost never learn anything from ideologues, except about how ideologues act.

It is a dead give away.

When you are not learning something from someone, assuming both evidence reasonable levels of IQ, one or the other of you is probably an ideologue.

I quickly ran an litmus test for ideology on myself. I always suspect myself of flaws first. It is part of my protestant self flagellation tendencies. :-)

Do I give up positions, when others expose mine as wrong? Yes. Am I sad I was wrong, but grateful to know the truth? Yes. Do they ever do so? Yes. Are the only persons I admit are right, when I am wrong, allies of mine? No. Do I start from givens that I insist are unimpeachable? No. Do I pit myself against professionally trained experts with good track records and then argue that they are not perfect and insist they are consistently wrong over long periods of time? No.

Well, I said to myself, if I'm not an ideologue, what about ict and HEM? Could they be?

Eh, I think you already know the answer to that. :-)

Anyway, ideologues substitute staying on their impeached thinking for new thinking. No one knows why ideologues occur, any more than they understand why geniuses, or mass murderers, occur.

But ideologues exist as surely as little green apples do.


jaybate 3 years, 3 months ago

[Note: Just following up with ict's (and indirectly HEM's) continuing stubbornly ideological responses from recent days.]

Hi, my name is ict.

What contradicts my ideologies, I deny, or ad hom.

Poor, Dr Roach.

He hardly ever agrees with jaybate (he might even dislike jaybate) and here you try to smear him by calling him jaybate-lite. :-)

Did I say you are an ideologue, ict?

I'm not sure. I'm doing a juggling act for fun here. It is called juggle the ideologues. So: I get you and some of the other ideologues confused sometimes, because of the sameness of the rhetorical processes of ideological discourse: I am right and no amount of fallacies in logic and notations of misparsed data sets, and even professional expertise (as in a coach with an 82% winning share) can sway me. Nope. I started right. I must be right. I am right. Therefore, you are wrong. And to show my generosity of spirit, well, I will give the appearance, but not the reality, of prudence by saying even coaches like Self are imperfect.

What you didn't say that? HEM said that? Oh, my gosh, I have contrived a situation where I can demonstrate non-ideological behavior. Maybe I goofed. :-)

Be that as it may, let me repeat it again.

You are an ideologue, ict.

And, no, ict, calling you an ideologue is not an ad hom, or name calling. It is naming. It is accurately describing your observable behavior. It is like calling someone who studies music history a music historian. It is simply an accurate description of your observable activity.

I could also say: ict argues ideologically most of the time on this site.

That would be an adverbial use of ideologue and so would not even be naming you, it would just be describing your actions.

Feel better?

I thought not.

Ideologues never feel better except with agreement. Otherwise, they feel like they are banging there head against the wall, when denying credible challenges by aliases and ad homming poor, innocent aliases, like, say, DrRoach.

Regardless, you still come out of the analytic wash as an ideologue.


jhawkrulz 3 years, 4 months ago

If we win against Cal this we get to take the PAC 10 trophy?


Clarence Haynes 3 years, 4 months ago

Bobcats need Sherron. The Hinrich led Wizzards clobbered them last night.


jebloom22 3 years, 4 months ago

"Bobcats recall G Collins from D-League" 12/21/10

Way to go Sherron! 18 pts/8 assists on 12/17.


SDSurferFan 3 years, 4 months ago

Cal has a feisty pony-tail wearing guard that will be good for the guards to get experience from. He is the type of mid-major guard that plays with a lot of passion and energy. The types of guards that will their teams to victories over top programs.

I expect KU to win by 25.

I would be shocked if Mr. Selby does not start. I am looking forward to seeing him take it to the basket. If both he and Tyshawn implement that as a consistent part of their arsenal then KU will begin to achieve its potential.


REHawk 3 years, 4 months ago

Nice to hear from and about Coach Townsend. Thanks for the interview and focus of this article, Gary.


KU_FanSince75 3 years, 4 months ago

It would be nice to see a lot of KU fans there. Also, like up4par2000 said, make a good impression on bay area recruits. This will be my first game watching Selby (missed the last game). So he!! ya, I am excited to see this game. Rock Chalk!


Scott Bonnet 3 years, 4 months ago

Phil Pressey is a Cousy candidate?


Robert Brock 3 years, 4 months ago

Montgomery is a good coach but this Cal team is empty this year. The only way Cal can keep the score down is to play a lot of zone and try to keep the number of possessions as low as possible. Otherwise, I have KU with 102 points and Cal 46.


Viggo3003 3 years, 4 months ago

I've been to a few games when KU plays in that area. I'll bet KU fans represent 50% of the crowd.


Kent Wells 3 years, 4 months ago

Best player in Cal history:

Jerrod Haase

Sorry, I'm a homer. Especially if you count his numbers at KU! And he's an author. What did Kidd write? Other than a confession to the Phoenix police?

How about Jason Kidd as runner up?!?


Greg Lux 3 years, 4 months ago

Heres hoping he sets a record for winning that and other awards every week of the season. That would be sweet... Nice to dream at Christmas time. Its the kid in me I guess .. :-)

Rock Chalk


Bill Skeet 3 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for the background info on K Townsend. I lived a block from Willow Glen High 10 yrs ago and still live nearby... Go figure..

Looking forward to the Cal game! I'm expecting it to be sold out and loud because they are pounding my mailbox and email with Cal Basketball propaganda ("There's no place like Haas") ever since I bought the tickets.


up4par2000 3 years, 4 months ago

Lets make a lasting impression on some Future Bay Area Recruits.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk


Kye Clark 3 years, 4 months ago

Congrats to Selby on what I hope is the first of many awards to come!


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