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Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Keegan

It’s time to call a truce

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Hatfields vs. McCoys, Capulets vs. Montagues, Bloods vs. Crips, Democrats vs. Republicans, Kansas University football players vs. KU basketball players.

The credibility of all that happy talk about the Kansas University athletic department being one big, cuddly family has been called into question by football players and basketball players getting into repeated fights with each other.

Bar owners and patrons know it. Students know it. Cops know it. The only reason you haven’t read more about it is because precise details of said skirmishes have been difficult to nail down.

Funny how athletes who can be such men during competition, putting their bodies in harm’s way, giving everything they have for teammates, can turn into such children when trying to prove their machismo off the field.

It’s time for them to call a truce and grow up because the alternative could be blowing up football and basketball seasons that have such exciting promise. The student-athletes who can’t seem to keep their fists off of each other are running the risk of ruining experiences that could be the most enjoyable of their lives.

Tuesday’s fight — not the first pitting basketball players against football players — happened shortly after 6:30 p.m. in front of Burge Union and reportedly involved a dispute over a woman who used to date an athlete from one team and now dates one from another. Instead of letting lovers be lovers, fighters had to prove they’re fighters. How pathetic. Time to grow up and join the real world.

Fights are not altogether uncommon between teammates in professional sports, the most famous tending to be in major-league baseball.

In 1978, Don Sutton and Steve Garvey went at it on the floor of the visiting clubhouse at Shea Stadium, clawing each other. Sutton came out of it with a bruise on his cheek, and Garvey had cuts on his face. They never became pals, but managed to remain teammates.

Twelve years later, Cubs Marvell Wynne and Shawon Dunston rolled around on the ground, exchanging claws and punches outside the home dugout before a game. Dunston suffered a strained shoulder, and Wynne received three stitches on his forehead to close a cut. Both former players are African-American, and the fight started when one said to the other, “You’re not black. You’re too black to be black. You’re purple.” They shook hands and co-existed peacefully from that point forward.

Figure skater Nancy Kerrigan was rapped on the knee by a man swinging a tire iron. Classy Tonya Harding insists to this day she had nothing to do with it. Not only that, she makes that claim with a straight face.

One-on-one disputes are bad enough, but when members of the two most prominent teams at a university repeatedly have team members getting into it with each other, that’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed in a serious way.

Suggestion: Athletic director Lew Perkins invites the police chief to join him in paying one visit to the assembled football team, another to the basketball team. Let them all know a no-tolerance policy is in effect, and anybody who has a hand in breaking the truce will get one phone call and be served bread and water.

Comments

Kent Wells 4 years, 12 months ago

Simply put, its just embarassing and this article is 100% correct. A season of promise for both teams is hanging in the balance for both teams.

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KU_Alumn_2000 4 years, 12 months ago

I'm shocked about this. The Boise st. and Oregon incident was a good example of why athletes need to behave as leaders. Hope none of our impact players from the football team were involved...we all know how mangino handles disipline with an iron fist.

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bobbyfinstock 4 years, 12 months ago

Decent article until Keegan's short-sighted suggestion at the end of the article about involving the police. If anyone wants to press charges or needs assistance breaking up an altercation, fine, call the police. But to threaten these young men with police action is foolish. And to invite the police into an internal dispute is just plain stupid. Police have a job, and to keep that job, they make arrests, file charges and see that people are prosecuted. Is this what we want for our student athletes? I'm sure the coaches will be able to get a handle on their players or they will be gone (Jocques Crawford, JR Giddens, etc. you know the long list). Sound premise for an article, poor solution to a problem. Let's not go sledgehammering all the gnats.

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hewn 4 years, 12 months ago

This is an absolute disgrace. It has simply gone too far. KU is better than this. I think the only responsible course of action is for the players involved to be dismissed. We can't let our lust for championships blind us to the complete and utter unacceptability of these actions. The University and its athletic department need to take a stand and cut all ties with these thugs. Please don't let KU be tarnished any more. End it now.

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Billy Derringer 4 years, 12 months ago

i totally agree-i dont give a rat azz who the players are dissmiss them at once--is fighting over a girl worth your room and board--i am just irrate that these athleats think they are above the law--Bill self you have a duty to drop the hammer, this is bull sht and is a slap in the face of what ku stands for--this is not muzzoo--superstar or not they must go--the only way to make your point is show these kids that you mean business--i bet mark mangino has already made steps to stop these stupid actions at once---i know you let J.R.GIDDENS go after his altercation and unless tyshawn was truly a victim he must also go as bad and hard as it sounds--it will suck 100% but you got to do this to make sure this stops at once

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Eliott Reeder 4 years, 12 months ago

A few interesting tidbits in this article. Is Keegan trying to be 'punny' by using the odd turn of phrase: 'having a hand in breaking'. I guess he finds it amusing that Tyshawn injured himself. Oh well, we all know Keegan is a closet sadist. The other surprise is his more detailed than the others account of the Wynne/Dunston exchange, because of the way it involves race. This caused me to re-ponder something I have questioned many times over the years. Why do fights in the predominately African-American sports of football and basketball garner such a starkly different media portrayal than those in 'whiter' sports like baseball and hockey? I am not in any way accusing Keegan of this. His article just brought it to mind. When was the last time you heard a white athlete who gets in a fight referred to as a 'thug' or 'gangsterish'? Why does the NBA feel a need to force its players to conform to a dress code, and the NFL establish guidelines for player conduct? Is it because those sports attract more delinquents than baseball and hockey? Or because they are sports dominated by African-Americans in a still predominately white America? Discuss amongst yourselves... or not.

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Billy Derringer 4 years, 12 months ago

i am so sick of the race card being played--everything is not race related this is 2009 why cant people get over this damm race thing, its a joke

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Dirk Medema 4 years, 12 months ago

Keith - It is called marketing, and every sport is finding out they need to give increasingly careful consideration to it to be successful.

It isn't terribly different than when going to visit a client. If you are going to be successful, you learn to dress and act accordingly. That doesn't necessarily mean a suit, especially if they are in jeans, but only a fool doesn't consider their ways - especially when millions of dollars worth of their bosses buisness is on the line.

The challenge for professional athletes is that the client is so pervasive, and culturally distinct from a good portion of the representatives.

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jrm79 4 years, 12 months ago

Keegan, I agree there should be consequences and for me in my day-to-day life, fist fights are pretty lame. That said, few people (self included) reading this article can understand the level of competitiveness these athletes have. That's why they're on the field and we're reading about them. Top program, division 1 athletes want to win in everything they do. I have no idea what started all this, but I like that Bball and football are competitive with each other. The football team has such a chip on their shoulder, I can only imagine the trash talk that goes on. A few fist fights? Whatever... Suspend them a game and move on. You get a bunch of guys on your team who don't have that kind of competitive streak in them and what do you have... a bunch of losers. Go to Columbia if that's what you're looking for.

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Dirk Medema 4 years, 12 months ago

Is it the love of money that is the root of all evil, or the love of women?

Gotta stop thinkin' with your "johnson" guys. I trust that there will be an increasing number of stairs in the future for the individuals involved. Maybe the coaches could even arrange for the individuals to be tied together or something like that - for a little encouragement in team building.

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Luan Do 4 years, 12 months ago

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Robert Brock 4 years, 12 months ago

Send a quiet message - suspend the offenders for a semester. People will notice.

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ebizzle 4 years, 12 months ago

Thanks for the article. When every paper in the state is reporting on the incident you can't just sit back and say nothing. I just hope this goes away soon, but I'm sure it won't.

NJ-This is basketball at KU. If you visit a grade school for an hour and talk about exercise it gets reported (LJW story from yesterday) so if a fight breaks out, and the hospital is involved, its going to get talked about.

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Clarence Haynes 4 years, 12 months ago

I am going to go out on a limb and contend that the problem stems from there being a lot of young freshmen and sophomore athletes who for whatever reason do not yet understand the concept of the KU athletic family. Yes, there can be friendly rivalries (something which I experienced during my days at KU), but at the end of the day, it is critical that the upperclassmen as well as Perkins along with Mangino, Self, and all coaches do something to correct this lack of understanding before this really gets out of hand!

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FairgroveJayhawk 4 years, 12 months ago

well put dagger108 at 3:27am

I trust the coaching staffs will find a way to resolve the issue and teach a long term lesson.

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Aligned 4 years, 12 months ago

Tom, this has to be the one of the dumbest articles ever.

"Instead of letting lovers be lovers, fighters had to prove they’re fighters. How pathetic. Time to grow up and join the real world."

I've got news for you: young men fighting over girls is the real world. Always has been, and always will be.

Just move on.

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gutter 4 years, 12 months ago

Athletes who represent the University fighting each other over a girl is a major embarrassment. Too bad some of you are not bright enough to realize this. There is more to it than just a few idiots getting in to a scuffle. Try and see the big picture here.

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rcjh88 4 years, 12 months ago

Let the coaches handle their own players. Young men get into fights, sorry it just happens. Especially over girls and I for one am thankful that they chose to fight with their hands instead of guns or knives!

Do I think its right that they are fighting? No, and I think their coaches will remind them that they are constantly in the spotlight being D1 athletes and they will get it taken care of within the team. This is blown up in to way to big of a deal already and all of the facts aren't even out. I hope that the athletes from both teams will learn to handle themselves better and realize what is at stake for them.

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dillustration 4 years, 12 months ago

Wow, huh am I the only one who is NOT surprised this happened. In total how many student athletes are on the football and basketball roster combined? You think they are all going to get along? Basketball vs football, whatever, Im just glad they aren't fighting teammates.

They fought over a girl. Whoppee. Who hasnt heard of this? Seriously I feel like Im taking crazy pills!!

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Joel Hood 4 years, 12 months ago

I’m up on campus regularly and this is the first I’ve heard of any pattern of problems between the players of the two programs. Perhaps I don’t frequent the bars enough.

But, before everyone gets too worried, remember, these are young men. Young men often make dumb decisions. The race issue is stupid – put that card back on the bottom of the deck.

Mangino, Self, and Perkins aren’t stupid. There will be a come to Jesus meeting. This will not be an issue going forward. There is too much money at stake in the KUAC to let youthful testosterone disrupt the Benjamin factory. Just sayin’…

(BTW – kushaw, I like the new avatar. Although I went to KU all four years with Danny, so I will miss seeing the SI cover.)

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rawkhawk 4 years, 12 months ago

Ugh...I trust Mangino and Self to work this out. Big game Sat and still much potential for both KU football and basketball. All the same...ugh

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Rivethead 4 years, 12 months ago

Hey - at least we can say this incident is not as bad as some of the ones that have happened out in Mancrappy.

Specifically, remember when a group of KSU football players smashed in the door to a male cheerleaders (or yell leader?) room and beat the snot out of him....and then beat the snot out of his dog using a brick? If I recall correctly, that was all done because Mr. Purple Yell Leader was seen talking to the girlfriend of one of the football players.

Boys will be boys. We can either make a HUGE issue out of this (as Keegan is attempting to do), or we can call a spade a spade and realize that kids will be kids and sometimes make poor decisions.

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Chad Dexter 4 years, 12 months ago

I see a lot of over reacting in these comments. Can you all say that you never got into a fight over a girl when you were young? I can't say that I never did. These are young men full of passion and sometimes these things happen. I think suspending because someone was involved without all the details is a bit over the top.

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chicagoeddie 4 years, 12 months ago

sorry but i dont agree rivethead, if we let a small incident pass then bigger ones will occur. we have to stop it now before it gets out o hand. what if this crap happens before a bowl or national championship game? we are screwed in all kind of ways.

i like keegans suggestion in sitting both teams down with the police chief and showing that you do it again and your suspended and served jail time...

your student atheletes not super heros, remember your actions reflect to the students and alumni that support you so strongly.

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Rivethead 4 years, 12 months ago

chicagoeddie:

Yes student athletes are representatives of the university. But let's also remember that student athletes are still kids. They will make mistakes. They have to learn from those mistakes.

Personally, I think Keegans idea is stupid. Why must 95% of the footbal team be penalized because of the actions of a few? Seriously, do you really think that Todd Reesing being forced to listen to the AD and a Police Chief talk about playing nice is a good use of his time?

And despite what Keegan alludes to, I don't think this is an ongoing problem. Chances are good this was a fight between two athletes over a girl. Nothing more. The fact the combantants were student althetes makes this a "story", but I bet it happens numerous times every week between non student athtletes.

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mwilliam 4 years, 12 months ago

WOW!!! Most of you act as if incidents of this nature are happening every day between our black f-ball and b-ball players. We don't know exactly what happened, yet we are placing blame; we are labeling individuals; and we are reaching conclusions that are just too bizarre for me to even begin to comprehend how they have been reached with the limited amount of information that has been made available. I think JRM79's comments are right on target and I think comments like ones from derringer29 demostrates what "white privilege" means and that it is still a disease that needs to be eliminated in our society. But it will take years before that happens because unfortunately too many who have benefited so significanlty from the "privilege" are not insightful enough to realize it and can't help themselves in their effort to attempt to deflect everhting back to persons who have the "audacity" to imply that something "may" have racial implications; not to imply that the actions may have been racist or done consciously, but so much that happens in America still has racial overtones or undertones, yes, I say this even though we elected a black president.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 12 months ago

I concur Rivethead. The grownups running the programs have more influence than the LPD or KU Police Chief. Unless there is a problem that truly runs deep here, putting on a Scared Straight dog & pony would be a laughable over reaction.

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sevenyearhawk 4 years, 12 months ago

Great column, Mr. Keegan!

To quote the great Jimmy Buffet:

"Some people claim that there's a woman to blame, but I know ... it's my own damn fault.”

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Christopher Hauser 4 years, 12 months ago

To everyone who is saying this is a disgrace, is it because these were "high profile" kids or because they got into a fight? Just FYI people get into fights sometimes, right or wrong (mostly wrong). Should these kids have used better judgement, absolutely. On a college campus there are going to be disagreements that lead to fights regardless of the profile of the person. If you are going to bash TT and whoever else was involved in this incident then you better bash me as well because I have been guilty of the same thing in the past and many of you on this site probabaly have as well.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

To repeat my post from another link, this is disappointing to say the least. How stupid to admit throwing a punch. Even if provoked, Tyshawn's ignorant posts on Facebook are enough to get him suspended for a couple of games, if not charged with assault. And the street/thug lingo is not making him look too bright - don't care if you are from Jersey or Junction City.

Upperclassmen (Sherron and Cole) - restore order and teach these underclassmen how to represent themselves and the university. Since that wasn't done, now HCBS has to make a statement and teach a lesson. I've always been a big Tyshawn fan, but this shows how much he still has to grow.

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d_prowess 4 years, 12 months ago

This is an awfully strong article with very strong accusations considering that the incident last night was the first mention of such a conflict ever reported in this paper. If what Keegan says it true, then shame on him and the staff for turning a blind eye to it (saying details on past issues are hard to nail down seems to be a weak excuse, especially since you make it sound like they are very common with bar owners, patrons, students, and cops all know about it!) I would have hoped to have at least one or two other examples of problems in the article before such a "the sky is falling" stance is taken on the current state of the Athletics Department.

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Eliott Reeder 4 years, 12 months ago

Thank you mwilliam for responding thoughtfully to my comment and not dismissing it as 'playing the race card'. It was just a thought I had. Like I said, I was not applying race to THIS situation. Keegan's article just made me think of race in the bigger picture of sports and how the media tends to respond differently in different instances. Like you mentioned in your comment, people are silly to think that race is no longer a factor in the scheme of America simply because our president is now a black man. It certainly is. And always will be. For better or for worse.

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fiberman2000 4 years, 12 months ago

My opinion is let the coaches decide the punishment. We can all guess what went on. I would think kicking them off the team is a little harsh for a fist fight. I use to operate a bar in Hays and this kind of stuff happens more than you think. If the coaches at a high profile school can't get a hold of their student athletes then we have a problem. I have faith in Mangino as well as Self that this will be handled in house. I don't think anyone will go without some type of punishment, but I think some of you are blowing this up a little too much. I guess we all should wait for all the facts, but it is silly for the 2 most poplular sports on campus to do something like this.

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

Since when is there a Football Gang and a Basketball Gang in Lawrence? I'm listening to Sports Radio in Tampa, FLA today and they are mentioning this EVERY HOUR in their headline news segment. Scratch KU off some recruit lists this morning -- plenty of parents will steer them away or at least grill the HCs IF and I mean IF they can still get a visit.

On the brink of having so much, and so few throw it away over hormones. Lew, it is up to you to set a policy and publicize it's enforcement at the right level. If this continues it's your empire going back down to mediocrity.

BTW, what exactly was fighting about it going to prove? Do our athletes think women are posessions to be fought for???? Her choice is her choice, and it sounds like she'd be better off just avoiding these gangs/circles altogether.

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dillustration 4 years, 12 months ago

is this "story" even more than a short blurb 5 years ago?

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

I'm sure Callipari, Pitino, Harrick, and Krwuyeuywysusyjyski are glad to have this material during recruting season.

Well done, CHILDREN!!

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Viggo3003 4 years, 12 months ago

You don't see any problem with the bowling team.

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Dustin Engelken 4 years, 12 months ago

I have been a lifelong KU fan and as a current Jersey City resident I have taken a special liking to Tyshawn over the last couple of years. With that said, I am absolutely ashamed of both the football and basketball teams and I agree with Keagan that it may be time to lay down the law and threaten to involve the police. I already had to wake up to the realization that my favorite KU basketball player dislocated a thumb by being a moron and if I have to wake up to a long list of suspensions in the aftermath of these altercations then I can say for one, that I will be out of patience. Hopefully, this is the last time we have to hear about our favorite players being boneheads, but at this point I'm not counting on it. Somebody needs to do something and they need to do it quick.

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100 4 years, 12 months ago

LJW:

Get an interview with the woman -- that's all I ask.

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pbowman2 4 years, 12 months ago

We know Taylior was somehow involved because he was injured. But does anyone actually know what happened? Was he injured simply because he was there? Who else was involved? Who did what to whom?

We should get a handle on the facts before we start assessing blame.

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 12 months ago

Gee, I would have never thought a woman would be involved. LOL So high school.

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 12 months ago

Viggo3003, In my day the bowlers were the worst. You knew there was going to be trouble when you saw them hanging out in front of the union sporting their Dexter's and their Brunswick wrist positioners.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

pbowman2 - unfortunately Tyshawn himself gives a barely coherent play-by-play on his facebook account as documented in the KCstar:

“I got a dislocated finger ..from throwing a punch ..so don’t let the news paper gas yall up aite,” Taylor wrote.

Minutes earlier, around midnight, he wrote: “real (racial slur)s do real things .. point plankn.”

Sounds like he was squarely in the middle and had no problem admitting so. Hopefully HCBS educates him on how to carry himself when he represents KU, and then may I suggest enrolling in an English class for next semester.

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 12 months ago

JayDocMD, Slang will always exist. It just changes from generation to generation. I think you are geezing (as in being a geezer).

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kusp8 4 years, 12 months ago

Suggestion: Athletic director Lew Perkins invites the police chief to join him in paying one visit to the assembled football team, another to the basketball team. Let them all know a no-tolerance policy is in effect, and anybody who has a hand in breaking the truce will get one phone call and be served bread and water.

I've never agreed with Keegan more.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

Boulder - Pardon my geezing, but may I suggest sticking to comments such as your lame bowling joke, and leave the serious comments to others. My English class comment was an attempt at humor, but hopefully its evident that there are much bigger problems than that. The racial slur - the need to come across as a gangsta - the idiocy of posting an admission of punching someone on Facebook... take your pick. Once he works on those issues, we can work with Tyshawn on sounding like an educated person. aite? point plankin.

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Dirk Medema 4 years, 12 months ago

sevenyearhawk says...To quote the great Jimmy Buffet: "Some people claim that there's a woman to blame, but I know ... it's my own damn fault.”

Maybe the best, most timely quote ever. Helps that it comes from such a classic song.

As for getting the police cheif involved, we've bypassed him and gone straight to the sherriff. Do it well Lew. This thing (3 incidents in < 24 hours) is getting ridiculous.

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 12 months ago

JayDocMd. I guess your humor is lame also.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

just to clarify Boulder... you are OK with Tyshawn's FB posts? Those posts make you proud to be a Jayhawk? Its just us 30 year old geezers who have the problem?

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 12 months ago

No I am not fine with his posts. But my opinions matter as much as anyone else on the boards. They don't . People get on the boards to pontificate on matters from amorality to strategy and everywhere in between. Most involve criticism. Perhaps they think they are changing things but change does not happen from these boards. I think they are just propping themselves up on their soapboxes to make themselves feel good. I stopped getting on these boards for serious discussions a long time ago. Discussions don't really happen on these boards. Just a lot of spouting off. I get on these boards from time to time to add a smart ass comment and poke fun at the dogmatic rhetoric on these boards. My work here is done.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

for those who haven't read anything other than what the LJW has reported, here are the other FB posts as documented on ESPN.com:

On Tuesday morning he wrote, "keep my name out ya mouth for you get smacked in it." A half-hour later, a posting read, "never get outta character ... I'm always a G about it."

Later that afternoon, Taylor posted, "n-----s be muggin me ... you know I'm mugging back."

I thought he was a student athlete... but apparently he and BoulderHawk are G's

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trmatlock 4 years, 12 months ago

Grow up. What does this accomplish? Something like this goes nationwide and all of the sudden the parents of the best recruits are taking KU off their kids list of schools. Then the quality of team mates coming in goes down and every thing your coaches have done to build your programs gets flushed down the drain. I have never heard of such a thing. Maybe those instigating this stuff should be sent packing. If you can't co-exist, go home. Kansas athletics is about supporting each other and your school. I am disgusted, and I have been a KU fan for fifty years.You should be ashamed!

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trmatlock 4 years, 12 months ago

Exactly what is .......geezing?...and, what is a G? Is there an English/non-gang translation of this stupidity?

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

There is more to read on the Kansan website (as other have mentioned on other posts.) Unfortunately on that site, they are reporting that Sherron is part of the problem and had to be calmed/restrained with the new epiosode that occurred this AM.

This is EMBARRASSING and is totally undermining HCBS - he's out there recruiting the best talent in the US and months of work establishing trust with kids/parents is undone by these gangsta wannabes. Sherron better wakeup - his first round ship is sailing if he gets tagged as a troublemaker. Someone let him know that a first round pick makes substantially more than a spokesperson for Jenny Craig.

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huskersnjayhawks 4 years, 12 months ago

I was dating my husband during the Scott Frost/Lawrence Phillips fiasco in Lincoln. You know the whole rumor of Lawrence catching Scott in bed with Lawrence's girlfriend....Lawrence telling Scott to leave and then the fight with Katie insued.....

Anyways, I just don't think we have the whole story here.....seems (in my opinion) detaills have been left out. At least Tyshawn was man enough to own up to what he did. I'm sure HCBS will address that. And it appears he did not go at this alone....the paper and online sites made it sound like a "brawl" not once but twice last night. So did they just go back at each other for more?

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trmatlock 4 years, 12 months ago

Send them all home. They need to learn responsibility and accountability. Just because they are athletes, does not mean that they are free to ruin the reputation of the university. Maybe sitting at home will give them time to figure out that their talent and visability comes with a limit on how to act in society. Or.......they can just hook up with a gang and see how that plays out.

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JayDocMD 4 years, 12 months ago

more from the Kansan:

"A fight broke out among football and basketball players this morning after one of the Morris twins pushed a football player down stairs behind Budig Hall. According to Mary Skevington, Overland Park senior, who witnessed the initial outbreak of the brawl, players from both teams began throwing punches and shouting racial slurs at each other at 9:48 a.m.

Among them were the Morris twins, Mario Little, Sherron Collins, Tyshawn Taylor, Brady Morningstar, Travis Releford, Tyrel Reed, Thomas Robinson, Elijah Johnson and many other players. The only football players identified in the group were Dezmon Briscoe and Chris Harris, whom police from the KU Police Department were questioning."

someone make this stop. NOW!

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Kent Wells 4 years, 12 months ago

Could one of you please translate: "I'm always a G about it."

Sorry, but I've lived in Texas too long and I'm not so fluent in dumbass anymore.

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Blake Post 4 years, 12 months ago

I can't even read this BS. Stupid idiots.
IF guys were concerned with going pro, winning, having the second greatest year ever, attracting younger potential recruits, the school and fans that "show them the love", or anything else that matters beside their inflated pride, I guess they wouldn't do that. Go ahead and be mugs... end up in jail like Lawrence Phillips, NU back doing 10 years. Go ahead and spread feces on the school that pays your way and gives you a chance to be on the best. And what is this about racial slurs? Do they even mean anything anymore? Wouldn't they just laugh at your silliness if you tried to use one? I mean, get real. Don't we have several races on our teams? Let me know when any one of you gets as good as Gale Sayers, John Hadl, Danny Manning, Clyde Lovellette, etc.... if you think your race is better, than be ready to beat the best these guys and many others, had... and go somewhere else, leave...what a joke. Meanwhile the real colors, crimson and blue, not to mention the green out of our pockets, just got stomped on.

boulder bites. the contraction, for you and many like you, is "you're"

We have wanted to preserve the notion that we act with more class than those at other schools, certain ones in particular. You just demoted us badly.

Have you ever heard of saving it for the enemy. They are right over there east of us, and they beat you last year in basketball...

I have never said I am disappointed in my school and its teams. I am now. Now we will see what you are going to do about it... every stinking, overflated one of you. You can be very regular before you know it. Mike Tyson was able to turn the greatest achievements into nothing. Just respond to some smack and see what happens. You will not last on our teams.

What I don't get is how you can ignore the junk during the game so you don't get a penalty or worse, and you don't let someone else control your emotions, yet on campus you seem to have forgotten all of that. Makes you seem stupid now. Hope you enjoy that.

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Scatterhawk 4 years, 12 months ago

And you guys were worried that the basketball team would be splintered this year over playing time. Look at the awesome solidarity they're showing!

Also, dismissing them is a good plan. Just like you'd dismiss a student on a music scholarship if he got into a fight.

Oh wait.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 12 months ago

kuwells - G is short for Gangster (Gangsta for those of you who don't read the Queen's English)

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huskersnjayhawks 4 years, 12 months ago

p>urbandictionary.com defines "G" as gangster. Makes me think about that show on MTV from G's to Gents...

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dillustration 4 years, 12 months ago

Tom, just heard you on Kietzman show. When are you going to join Fitzgerald and break out your purple shirt on the Drive Show?

There is a REASON why Kietzman told you "great job" at the end of your segment.. you gave him stuff to throw in KU's face for awhile now.

Great job indeed. Traitor.

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Kent Wells 4 years, 12 months ago

jayhawkerjoel. Thanks, dawg. I guess I could have figured that out if I wasn't so freaking pissed off right now. Who knew I woke up a Tiger today. Sweet. I just cant believe this. 100 throwing down in front of the union yesterday evening. Why the hell dont they just put a cage around campus and let them sort it out animal style.

Did anyone follow that van? I bet it drove to Manhattan, dumped them out and the staff are letting them run back to Lawrence. I just cant wait to see this one develop.

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c0683 4 years, 12 months ago

Let's all calm down. Boys will be boys. So what if there is a fight about a girl? Who among us would not be proud to have a KU lettermen defend the honor our own daughter? Now is the time to stand behind our boys. Let's leave it up to Lew, Bill and Mark to handle. No finer men have walked the face of this earth other than J.C. himself. They will handle it just fine, and we will soon get back to the business of winning championships.

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

You would not believe how serious the NFL takes these kinds of things anymore. When names come out, divide their future earnings by 10 each.

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

c0683: LMGTFY

Please note that is not slang, G, or dumbass. That's texting for: "Let Me Google That For You"

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kugrad93 4 years, 12 months ago

dillustration, how is Keegan a traitor? Is he a KU grad? No. Does he work for KU? No. He's paid to report what's happening at KU, and what's happening now is bad. Don't blame the messenger.

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

As promised, c0683.

From Google two minutes ago: Results 1 - 10 of about 12,600,000 for "kansas university fight"

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Kent Wells 4 years, 12 months ago

lmgtfy?

Please! I can only learn one new language today and Gangsta is pretty difficult. Can we have Texting Speak 101 start next week?

Humor folks...

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TrueBlue92 4 years, 12 months ago

kuwells,

As my kids will testify, I geezerin 2 much to teach txt, G.

I don't think I've ever been so cool before in my life. Thank goodness it will never happen again.

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rtyoungku 4 years, 12 months ago

Keegan, I hope your antics on 810 today limit your access to both programs even more so than you already are. I understand you're not an employee of the university, but throwing around hearsay and saying "this has been brewing for over a year" are both sensationalizing the story and nothing else.

I am ashamed that the newspaper in the town I love pays to have you on staff.

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iowajhawk81 4 years, 12 months ago

Keegan, you are a joke. I heard you on with Keitzhead today on 810, and I hope you are done as a reporter with the Journal World. I hope the atheltic staff shuns you like the idiot you are. I will NEVER read another word you write in the JW again. You are a fool and a dope for getting sucked into the Kietzhead cyclone on this issue. I simply can't express how big a fool your are.

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iowajhawk81 4 years, 12 months ago

Keep readin' KUsports.com...you gotta be kiddin' Keegan. You're an idiot.

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iowajhawk81 4 years, 12 months ago

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iowajhawk81 4 years, 12 months ago

Keegan you are a dupe, but what's worse, you're a foolish dupe. That's the worst kind.

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kushaw 4 years, 12 months ago

What did Keegan say that was so awful today on 810 radio for those that live out of state? I am sure it's not as bad as you're making it out to be?

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yovoy 4 years, 11 months ago

this crazy behaviour isn't new. it's pretty new from the basketball players though. when i was there the fb players were terrors of the town. the biggest exception to that being a certain kid from louisiana with bad knees. even though he was "play-wrasslin'" with his homie IN A CLUB!, and not paying attention to his girl, he got kinda shocked when i did. he was too shocked to really do anything but he made it known that if he wanted to act like it was jr. high in a nightclub whilst ignoring his "date" she was off-limits. i wasn't worried, i knew he had bad knees.

that said, i'd noticed a difference in the fb players since ourMangino got to town. i've also noticed a difference since ourSelf got here. just sayin' that i'm not surprised anymore.

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Luan Do 4 years, 11 months ago

First Kanye and now this. It's getting ridiculous.

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dillustration 4 years, 11 months ago

kugrad93 - "just a messenger" is not a valid excuse. If he wants to go on a radio program to help "feed" a guy who will literally leap on anything negative about KU and turn it into a 3hour bash session then thats fine.

There are PLENTY of KU FANS who are journalists who could do better representing KU by "reporting" FACTS and not little rumors.

Keegan was on there fanning Kietzman's flames about how this "crazy" institution has gone completely out of control. This is a guy who said we were one of a handful of schools who will take any and all recruits regardless of their history if it means winning. Keegan was right there helping him along with how out of control everything is.

Put it this way - you KNOW its bad when JACK HARRY was defending us to Kietzman.

Why dont you give Lew more than just a few short hours to assemble the entire football & basketball team and staff to dissolve the situation before you go on a radio program blasting the lack of control at the university??

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Firebirdguy31 4 years, 11 months ago

derringer29 - i am so sick of the race card being played--everything is not race related this is 2009 why cant people get over this damm race thing, its a joke

It's because that's all they have (those that use the race card) as a retort to serious criticism. If it's something they can't refute with fact, it's easier to claim you're in a vast conspiracy against them and discredit your motives, than address the issue as an intellectual human being. In most instances, those that use the race card, have no proof that their critic is indeed racist.

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klineisanazi 4 years, 11 months ago

I do think Keegan went over the line going on a hack like Kevin Kietzman's show and ripping KU's athletic department. Some things you don't do. Going on "Between The Lines" and bashing KU is one of them. I could live with the article, but not the radio appearance. Yes, he is free to do it. But I am free to never, ever forget it. From here on out, any and everything he writes will be viewed by me from that perspective.

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 11 months ago

jwliddell -

Great theory!

I was actually thinking along similar lines.

There has not been one post from jaybate since this all blew up. Is it possible that he was in Lawrence and told some football players that he heard some of the basketball guys were trying to hook up with their "shawties"? Then, he told some of the basketball guys that some of the football players were calling them punks. Then he sat back, calculated the accelerated comment posting time coordinates and is just waiting to click on the "post comment" to become immortal as the 1,000,000 commenter.

A little too Oliver Stone-ish?

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kwsimpson23 4 years, 11 months ago

Keegan, allow all the facts to come out before you pass judgment.

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RockChalkJHawkGOKU 4 years, 11 months ago

To many things at stake here for both teams. The next guy to screw up going to suffer for all of this as it appears that the coaches are going to let them kiss and make up.

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ku_mom 4 years, 11 months ago

I have read my last Keegan column. After reading this and hearing him kiss Kevin Keitzman's butt on 810 today--I wonder why he even stays in Lawrence. The KU athletic department doesn't need this kind of columnist, preaching and gosspiing at their expense.

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gardenjay 4 years, 11 months ago

Well, I hope most of you are now in bed so you can get some rest from posting.

I actually do think this forum is rather good - as opposed to Facebook, which sets up farcial human interactions between knowns, which can turn into an evil high school for ANYone overnight.

100 seemed to be the only poster that points out this should be the age of gender equality, so there should be even LJW coverage into the cause of these incidents. How else are we to keep everyone accountable?

Take a look at some of the things that happen in the real world - people getting played off one another for example, or people that hate and disrespect men, sometimes because of the way they were raised or treated by other people. Many people getting played may still be too immature to realize just how much more advanced their counterparts are. Note how even this person is careful to use the word 'people'.

Most posts imply this is a guy who got 'dumped' and is upset, and therefore did something inappropriate. That happens and it is inappropriate. But I feel sorry for all you guys on this board who think that is the whole story, and fail to realize these other primal facts of life when at some time or other they become your issues too.

If you are being treated poorly, consider moving aside. Soon, you will become where it is again, like an ongoing cycle - look forward. Learn to leave types behind - hard to do, I know. Not so fun to realize someone else does not care about you.

Think about it this way; why blame the other guy? He may now be the one who has to deal with relationship insecurity now. You are, of course, better off finding a woman who actually loves you. Easier said than done anymore, so don't feel alone.

Also, TT, you could show us all a better way, how to handle things by your future behavior. Why not use this spotlight to underline how you think both men and women should handle themselves - and I am counting on HCBS to school you on relationships beforehand, of course.

Also, may I suggest that you get Facebook out of your life entirely. It is not your medium (not anyone's if you ask me). Facebook makes life worse for these scenarios. It can suck whole friendships down the drain, and stomps on people before they actually get stomped on. It is such a high schooly forum: if someone decides to disrespect or hate someone else, then there it is, for all to see. Just because your 'friends' use it doesn't mean they won't respect your not using it - and college was supposed to be a step up in maturity.

Alternatively you could have had an actual cup of coffee with a human being, one-on-one, and experience what we were wired to do- interact with people using non-verbal communication. Skype is a bit better. But please come back to the human world before getting the dreaded label 'Facebook-head'. :(

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cobweb 4 years, 11 months ago

Stop referring to these illiterate morons as "student athletes". Winning the national title with thugs shouldn't satisfy anyone.

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