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Monday, October 5, 2009

Induction touches Owens

Former KU coach Ted Owens, center, chats with former players Tommie Smith, left, and Al Lopes, during the Ted Owens and Friends benefit for the Bert Nash Center in this 2004 file photo at the Holidome.

Former KU coach Ted Owens, center, chats with former players Tommie Smith, left, and Al Lopes, during the Ted Owens and Friends benefit for the Bert Nash Center in this 2004 file photo at the Holidome.

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— Former Kansas University basketball coach Ted Owens, who was inducted into the Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame in August, on Sunday was enshrined into the Kansas Sports Hall of Fame in an emotional ceremony in Wichita.

“They were both so special, but so different,” Owens said Sunday night. “To have so many former players and friends of the program here tonight ... really meant a lot to me.”

He was elated to visit with 1966 KU team captains Riney Lochmann and Delvy Lewis, as well as his first recruit, Al Lopes, plus Tommy Smith and David Magley.

“You walk through the Hall of Fame and see all the people who preceded you. It’s the greatest of Kansas sports history, all the athletes and coaches,” Owens added. “Oklahoma ... that’s my home state and was special as well.”

Owens summarized his speech:

“Anybody in life, no matter how hard you work, you cannot be successful without help and support of others,” Owens said. “My parents, players, assistant coaches, family and friends. I’m so thankful.”

Of his KU years, Owens said: “As Bill Self said, we are all just caretakers of the program during our time. I feel privileged to have had the opportunity (from 1964 to ’83).”

Owens was one of 14 members of the Hall’s Class of 2009.

Others with KU ties were Harold Patterson, Gwinn Henry and the late Paul Endacott.

Patterson, who graduated from Rozel High in 1950, was a letterman in football and basketball at KU. He earned All-Big 7 first team honors in basketball in 1954. He was a standout in the Canadian Football League, scoring 75 career TDs. He set CFL career receiving record with 9,473 yards and 64 TDs while averaging over 20 yards per catch for his career. He was named to the CFL all-Century team.

Henry, who was a world record holder in track from Southwestern College and College of Emporia, was athletic director at KU in 1937 and coached fooball and track during World War II as coaches went off to war.

Endacott, who is deceased, led KU to mythical national basketball titles in 1922 and ’23.

Others who were inducted: Jesse Barnes, Don Calhoun, Orlis Cox, Steve Henson, Ken Mahoney, John Mason, Ken Roberts, Janell Smith, Eddie Sutton and Ken Swenson.

“Eddie was thrilled to be honored by his home state,” Owens said of the Bucklin native and former Oklahoma State hoops coach.

Comments

topekahawk 10 years, 3 months ago

"Endacott, who is deceased, led KU to mythical national basketball titles in 1922 and ’23."

Mythical as in imaginary? Please clarify. Those were as legitimate as BCS football national championships voted on by coaches and others.

Rick Arnoldy 10 years, 3 months ago

The BCS is also referred to as "mythical". It simply means it was voted on rather than determined via playoff/tournament.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago

I got to watch Ted Owens coach from 1966 to 1971..... many good times. Something tells me that Sam Miranda was also there at the ceremony in spirit, sitting next to Ted as he did for all those years in Allen, with a big smile on his face.

Jeff Hargate 10 years, 3 months ago

The difference between a "mythical" and the Helms national championships are that Helms were voted on retroactively, meaning, not in the same season like the BCS "formula" does.

jaybate 10 years, 3 months ago

First, there is nothing mythical about those two national titles. They are real and count in KU's total. Just ask any school, oh, say, Notre Dame, that has won several media-selected national titles in football how real their national titles are. You win a national title by whatever means of selection exists at the time. Period.

Second, the proper way to refer to these two national titles is: two national titles. No conditions. No caveats. We do not condition national titles won before the 65 team format as mythical. Nor before the 64 team format. Nor under any other format. The media-selected format should not be conditioned either.

Frankly, it is harder for a school from a small media market in the midwest to win a national title selected by members of the media than it is for the same school to win it in a single elimination tournament, regardless of the various sizes tried so far. In a single elimination tournament, all a team from a small media market has to overcome is opposing teams. In a media-selected format, the small school has to overcome not only opposing teams, but the biases of media trying to attract audience in big media markets.

It was for this reason that Phog Allen championed a national tournament as a means selecting a champion. KU and Allen probably lost out on two, or more, other national titles during the years that the media picked the champions.

Henceforth, refrain from calling them mythical titles.

Rock chalk.

KU has four national titles. Period.

jaybate 10 years, 3 months ago

OMG! I mis-stated our rings. Okay, I deserve to do the rest of boot camp! Alas, 15 minutes and I would be in the ICU at KU Med in need of a heart surgeon. :-)

Bradley Hope 10 years, 3 months ago

The difference with the BCS and the Helms Foundation is that the BCS while subjective, votes during the season it was being played in. Helms Foundation started in 1939, however, they went back and retroactively voted on champions from previous years, hence mythical.

Its nice that we claim 5 titles, but the truer measure is NCAA tourney titles with a possible exception of some of those early NIT tourneys.

Joel Hood 10 years, 3 months ago

I agree with Jaybate on this one. JTJ & chopsone make a point about the titles being awarded retroactively. But, does that make it any less valid than other media picked champions? IMHO, it makes it more valid. Media members had more time to study the teams and were able to use hindsight in their evaluations. They had time to debate and compare before voting. Just because it was awarded differently, doesn't make it less valid.

5yardfuller 10 years, 3 months ago

There is a myth about those mythical Helms titles. They were not voted upon by the media or anyone else. They were chosen in 1943 by one man, William Schroeder. To compare them equally with NCAA titles, which is what KU is doing with those banners, is wrong. The 1922 and 1923 banners used to read Helms National Champions, and the 1952 and 1988 banners read NCAA Champions. This is how it should have remained.

Jaybate, regarding your reference to Notre Dame football, this is from the Notre Dame media guide, “In 1941, Bill Schroeder, managing editor of the Helms Athletic Foundation retroactively selected the national football champions for the period beginning in 1883 (the first year of a scoring system) through 1941. Thereafter, Schroeder, who died in 1988, then chose, with the assistance of the Hall board, the annual national champion after the bowl games.”

KU needs to follow suit and reveal what the Helms titles really are. They are not comparable to the BCS or the AP or any other voted upon championship. They were one man’s opinion, 20 years after the fact.

Joel Hood 10 years, 3 months ago

5yard,

I think you are being a bit disingenuous regarding the scope of the Helms Foundation...

"The Helms Athletic Foundation was an athletic foundation based in Los Angeles, founded in 1936 by Bill Schroeder and Paul Helms. It put together a panel of experts[citation needed] to select National Champion teams and make All-America team selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball. The panel met annually[citation needed] to vote on a National Champion until 1982 and retroactively ranked football teams dating back to 1883 and basketball back to 1901. The Helms Foundation also operated a Hall of Fame for both college sports...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms_Athletic_Foundation http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Helms_Foundation

I'm no expert, but after minimal interweb searching, it seems fairly clear that the Helms Foundation awards were not insignificant, at least until the NCAA title became synonomous with National Title.

5yardfuller 10 years, 3 months ago

jayhawkerjoel,

If you are really interested in the Helms titles, I would suggest reading the following series of articles by Martin Manley in his Upon Further Review blog. Manley, a KU fan, began the series with no more knowledge of the Helms than wikipedia. By the end of the series he considered the 1922 and 1923 banners to be worthless.

http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1116 http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1136 http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1277 http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1284 http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1293 http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1316

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