Saturday, October 3, 2009

At long last, KU’s Reed dethroned at Boot Camp

Kansas guard Tyrel Reed charges up the court during warmups before tipoff against UMKC Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Tyrel Reed charges up the court during warmups before tipoff against UMKC Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.


One of the biggest upsets in Boot Camp history took place early Friday morning in Kansas University’s new basketball practice facility.

“It’s the first time I can ever remember Tyrel losing a sprint,” seventh-year KU coach Bill Self said of junior racehorse Tyrel Reed. “Tyrel’s always leading the pack. He’s always out in front. Somebody finally got him today.”

It was sophomore guard Tyshawn Taylor who crossed the finish line a nose ahead of Reed in one of the Jayhawks’ suicide sprints that concluded the first week of Self’s two-week Boot Camp conditioning sessions.

“Few can get to the level where they always are first in sprints. Tyrel’s at that level,” Self said, naming the 6-foot-3 Burlington native the unofficial MVP of Boot Camp with five sessions remaining.

KU’s coach said there have been several standouts.

“Thomas Robinson really works. C.J. Henry has had a good Boot Camp,” Self said. “Brady (Morningstar), Tyrel, Conner (Teahan) all have done well. Sherron had a good week,” he added, noting senior Sherron Collins was very close to the 5-foot-11 Collins’ desired playing weight of 205 pounds.

Self said the team excelled during 6 to 7 a.m. workouts, which included a lot of running as well as defensive drills and backboard touches.

“It was a very good week and probably a lot harder than last year,” Self said. “We had four real good days and one bad one. They understand they can’t have any more bad days. It’s as good a camp as we’ve had since we’ve been here without question.

“The guys are tired. There’s no question they are tired.”

KU freshman Xavier Henry was the only Jayhawk not to participate in all the drills Thursday and Friday.

“His knee is sore, stiff,” Self said of the 6-foot-6, 220-pounder from Oklahoma City. “(But) he was definitely out there on the (stationary) bike. He’ll be ready to go Monday.”

The Jayhawks — who have been awarded the weekend off — will report back in the gym at 6 a.m. Monday.

“I wouldn’t think so,” Self said, asked if there was any chance Boot Camp would end before next Friday. In some past years, he has called off Boot Camp a day early as a reward to the troops for sustained hard work. “I don’t know that for a fact, though.”

Comment on investigation

KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony had one comment in response to a story in Friday morning’s Journal-World that indicated KU police have opened a disorderly conduct investigation into last week’s fight between KU football and basketball players outside Burge Union.

“As it should be, it’s being handled by the university,” Marchiony said of the campus police investigation.

Fieldhouse shaping up

Renovations to Allen Fieldhouse and Booth Family Hall of Athletics are on track to be completed by the Oct. 16 Late Night in the Phog, Marchiony said Friday.

“I think the fans will really like the fact there will be expanded concessions. Wider concourses will make it easier to get around. Access will be expanded. The Hall of Athletics will be a huge draw. People will love the new interactive displays,” he said.

Marchiony said there “will be some touching up being done through the month. But it’ll definitely be ready.”


The mother of Portland Jefferson High’s Terrence Jones tells her son has not eliminated KU after all. She said if the 6-foot-8 forward does visit KU, however, it’d be on an unofficial visit. The No. 13-rated player in the Class of 2010 has official visits set up with UCLA, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Washington and Arizona.


100 10 years, 3 months ago

Nice job, Tyshawn, keep up the hard work.

And way to come clean on the truth, Rivals.

100 10 years, 3 months ago

Also congratulations to one of the best passing point guards we've ever had, Aaron Miles -- he signed a free agent contract the other day with the Atlanta Hawks.

waywardJay 10 years, 3 months ago

Passing point guard is funny to me.... But indeed kudo's are deserved... It's about time Aaron got into the league and stayed.... Good job Aaron... You were one of my favorites.

As for Tyshawn. I was surprised it was you, but I'm definetely glad it was you. They said Cj Henry was on his heels a couple articles ago.... I figured it would have been CJ going into the article. Let's see that 40 from three now. ;)

Billy Derringer 10 years, 3 months ago

whats wrong with x's knee, this is the first time iv heard there is a problem with his knee, with all the lastest updates on incidents that have been posted on here, you would think that would have a major story..way to drop the ball LJW --and another thing all iv heard all off season is how good of shade the kid is in and now less then a full week in to boot camp he cant go WTF -----------SOFT?

Lance Hobson 10 years, 3 months ago

X on a stationary bike like T.O.? Future All-American. One hour in the morning and weekends off doesn't sound like much of a "Boot Camp."

Tony Bandle 10 years, 3 months ago


I know what you're saying but think of it this way....running as hard as you can, sliding back and forth as fast as you can and jumping as high and as many times as you can, all non-stop, all with a competitive atmosphere, all under the supervision of a p####d off HCBS.......sounds like boot camp to me!!!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 3 months ago

Good article on ESPN about Terrence Jones from yesterday afternoon. I posted this late last night on the X and CJ story, but it is a good read.

Matt1958 10 years, 3 months ago

I really question X's dedication to the program, but I am hoping to choke on those words.

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 3 months ago

"I really question X's dedication to the program....."

two weeks before the season even starts, and we're questioning a super talented kid's want to. good grief, give me a break! it's the head coach's quote for crying out loud....he's hurt!

i'm sure everyone who posts here, who has played any athletics at all, has NEVER given less than 100% all the time, every play, every rep....even if they were sore or tired.

can we please let the season start at least...before we question a player's heart? unbelievable.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 3 months ago


I'm with you. This is the first mention of any physical glitch with X. The most recent accounting of him was that he was in great condition after having worked with somebody in OKC just prior to coming to KU. Is it possible he developed a knee problem in pick-up games since he came to Lawrence?

Ah, shades of BRush. Hope he can overcome those knee problems on or off of that bike and be the X factor that we're anticpating.

Also, Tyshawn - "thumbs up" for beating Tyrel!

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 10 years, 3 months ago

Congrats to Aaron, my favorite kansas point guard. I miss the days of wayne, keith, and aaron. Good luck aaron!

VegasJhawk09 10 years, 3 months ago

Having been in boot camp before. It sounds like it to me, minus the military brain washing and mind games. Im so freekin psyched for the first game!!!!

NH_JHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey Mayer,

"senior Sherron Collins was very close to the 5-foot-11 Collins’ desired playing weight of 205 pounds."

So are you still worried about Sherron?

suttonku 10 years, 3 months ago

Well it seems to me that no one wants that 2 guard spot...Tyshawn gets in a fight and Brady gets a DWI...Hey if CJ keeps it up he may step into the 2 spot...I am happy to hear Tyshawn is working hard but it will be tough to get out of Self's doghouse.

KGphoto 10 years, 3 months ago

Wonder if everybody is working harder from fear of Self. Sounds like Tyshawn is a little extra sparked. I would be too.

Martin Shupert 10 years, 3 months ago

Knees get sore. Attacking LJW for a sore knee during boot camp? What isn't sore? Never mind. Strikewso doesn't think it sounds all that rough. Have you ever watched? Hang out by the garbage cans on the sidelines and you might have a better idea of what it's like. Amazing how easy it sounds to couch potatoes.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 3 months ago

nobodylikes: Thanks, I didn't see it until I got out of this thread. Unreal! This completely sucks! Self has to be ready to flush that hair piece of his down the toilet. I don't know if he has one or not, I tend to believe he doesn't, but I had to think of something a little funny in spite of all the turmoil going on with the KU programs right now. This really does suck and just wait until the national media gets a hold of this. Self is going to be pissed, but it doesn't reflect good on him or the basketball program at all. I can see some mothers of recruits scratching KU off their list.

100 10 years, 3 months ago

Looks like CJ has the starting spot for sure now -- c'mon Brady, its time to grow up. If ever in doubt, walk or take a cab. Also, this is classless, absolutely stupid behavior, you know better than this.

As for anyone questioning anybody's basketball ability or dedication on this team, could you make it any more apparent that you are a troll on this site?

Any true KU fan is pumped about all of the players on this team, basketballwise.

The player you are referring to is 6'6", a freshman just out of high school -- believe me, if it was your first boot camp & your knees started swelling up, you would be hurting too -- the only thing to do is let the kid recover & make him catch up with all the sprints a few days later. He'll run them all, don't worry.

The problem with "making" a kid run with swollen knees is you risk two serious injuries before the season even starts -- its definitely the best decision.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 3 months ago

Don't we have any readers who have expertise in sociology, psychiatry or other areas that could explain what is happening with KU athletics?

Sure, we have a boatload of arm-chair experts, but there must be a more clinical, professional explanation for the trends that we're seeing.

The moon is full, is an opinion (opinions are like a-holes - everybody's got one).

Boys will be boys, is an excuse.

Coincidence is unacceptable.

WTF is going on?

waywardJay 10 years, 3 months ago

Summer of Love. what can we say.....

All this engativity could be damning.... I don't remember seeing this much crap about any other team last year..... I remember hearing about hansborough jumping off a two story building ( which still makes me chuckle )....

Well.... Officially we have had incidents with Brady, Tyshawn, Chase, "carl henry," Sherron ( i didn't have a problem with his weight but some did ), and possibly the morri ( i have decided the plural for Morris is Morri ).....

That still leaves, Mario Little, COnnor Teahan, Cole ALdrich, Thomas Robinson, Elijah Johnson,and tyrel reid... isn't there another benchy somewhere im missing.... I still think we could win quite a few games with just those 7.....

rasta_meta 10 years, 3 months ago

Good to hear that C.J. is working hard and taking being at KU seriously. Hopefully, some of his work ethic will eventually rube off on his brother, it it hasn't already.

Kevin John 10 years, 3 months ago

C'mon Aaron Miles and Michael Lee, being that you are both out of Jefferson High in Portland,Ore.. Convince Terrence Jones that he needs to be a Jayhawk. He is a beast!! Thank The Lord he eliminated the tar babies. Jefferson is producing top rate talent and ranked nationally. Gaining Jones would be key to landing more top recruits in the future for KU, from the Rose City.

100 10 years, 3 months ago


Since the writer forgot to mention it, I will --

The Morris twins have been working their a**es off!!!!

As for all the pschology, sociology stuff, even the best are armchairing as well -- so I'm gonna boil down what has happened.

  1. No matter how gifted, you give a child too much freedom & they will accept it.

  2. Some can handle this, nearly all can't -- as in it will someday come back to bite them unless they learn to use their freedom with a purpose.

  3. In times like these, just like the military, the only solutions are -- promotion, demotion, suspension & much (much) more structure.

  4. This is a simple list of OK use of time for KU hoops players: Basketball practice, shooting by self, pickup, running, weights, school, eating, sleep -- the extra curricular stuff must be monitored -- that's what Coach Roy did & I firmly believe that's what Self will be forced to do.

  5. Also much more volunteering -- this is a key for a kid this age to realize the gift they have and the importance of bringing joy to those in need (also replaces Brady's activity fairly nicely).

It's all about time management -- that's the pyschology/ sociological disorder the entire country struggles with. In simpleton terms, it's time for all 24 hours a day to be accounted for.

Rock Chalk

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 3 months ago

100 -

Thanks for your take on the situation. I'm not discounting anybody's opinions. Just wanted to hear what someone with an overview from a professional's perspective thinks of these new directions and mis-directions.

I am in total agreement with you that accountability for time spent in all disciplines is the key to developing work ethics in athletics as well as life in general. This is why an orientation program needs to be developed that holds these players accountable during their entire first semester for every minute of every day. Some would have success immediately following such a system Others would be resistant and would attempt to cheat the program. Those are the ones that would need a program the most so they would mature to a standard that they, themselves don't know exists.

Mentoring is a powerful tool. Surely, through the university, along with NCAA approval, such programs could be possible.

100 10 years, 3 months ago


You're right about mentoring, that's nearly as powerful as any tool. The question is always time & who.

We had much mentoring going on during Roy's time & also a lot more social functions (movies & sometimes dinners on weekends).

We have certainly some great mentors at KU already -- Danny Manning & Gale Sayers for starters.

But back to the original question on hand, as it is a great one & all of America is suffering from it -- it's the pyschology/ sociology of the Internet/ ipod generation where "normal" (longer attention span) socialization that has usually occurred (face to face) since we first walked out of Africa, has now turned into two word sentences.

Socialization is like basketball -- the more you do reps, the better you get. So the question is, at 18 nowdays, how many "meaningful" socialization reps have any of these kids had? And more importantly, in college, are they allowed to learn new ways to socialize (face to face), or is it OK to continue to be that texting/ iPod monster who shut out real socialization opportunities in high school?

This is all unchartered territory for all of America -- these kids are finally out of their parents houses -- what did they really learn?

Yes, I know it's not this cut & dry, but let's put it this way -- each & every coach across the nation must account for this unchartered "flip a switch & temporarily lose your common sense social mentality".

KU has always been ahead of the curve on this issue until recently -- now it's time to dig into the simplicity of time management (& hopefully great mentorship) & nip this in the bud.

Rock Chalk

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 3 months ago

To add to what 100 said so correctly. High school does not prepare the average student, athlete or not, for the real world of independence and the accountability for their time. I'm sure that in most communities, the old school guidance counselors have become a fraction as effective as in the past due to budgets etc. Higher education assumes that the students have had a certain level of life coaching at home. This concept is unfortunatrely a false one. Just like 100 said about the technology/entertainment issue being so prevelant in teenagers and 20something's social development, parents can't compete and aren't savvy enough to see the damage that is being done. Auhorities have attempted to address these issues in schools but, with little success.

Telling is the "interview" that a high school sports player gives after comitting to a college team. They ususally reveal that the guy or girl can barely respond to basic questions and appears to be mimicking all who have come before them. It doesn't get much better at the college level either. Why can't these students appear as socially comfortable and responsive as their counterparts who are going on to other areas of interest in education and life? Rare is a kid like Cole Aldrich who you'd think would be comfortable communicating with anyone from any walk of life. Background and neighborhood have nothing to do with personality. Character is the key to personality. We need to work on character from the earliest formative ages, then personality should follow or can be addressed once the solid core is acheived.

The pool of future leaders has a crack in it now. It's critical to fix that crack so the pool does not become empty. It's not too late. It just takes persistance and dedication to the goal. Don't let these kids down. We all suffer as could future generations if the pool is empty.

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