Originally published November 14, 2009 at 01:24p.m., updated November 14, 2009 at 07:07p.m.

FINAL: KU’s defense collapses late in 31-17 loss to Nebraska

KU's Chris Harris tries to take down Nebraska running back Roy Helu Jr. Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009 at Memorial Stadium. Helu Jr. rumbled for over 100 yards and three touchdowns against the Jayhawks.

KU's Chris Harris tries to take down Nebraska running back Roy Helu Jr. Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009 at Memorial Stadium. Helu Jr. rumbled for over 100 yards and three touchdowns against the Jayhawks.



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Reader poll

Which of the KU football team's losses was the most frustrating to watch?

  • Colorado 35% 888 votes
  • Oklahoma 1% 46 votes
  • Texas Tech 4% 120 votes
  • Kansas State 31% 791 votes
  • Nebraska 21% 552 votes
  • Undecided 5% 128 votes

2525 total votes.

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Who was KU's first-half MVP against Nebraska?

  • Todd Reesing 24% 6 votes
  • Toben Opurum 60% 15 votes
  • Kerry Meier 4% 1 vote
  • Dezmon Briscoe 4% 1 vote
  • Chris Harris 0% 0 votes
  • Alonso Rojas 0% 0 votes
  • Other 8% 2 votes

25 total votes.

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Who is your favorite KU senior captain?

  • Todd Reesing 30% 35 votes
  • Jake Sharp 6% 7 votes
  • Kerry Meier 45% 52 votes
  • Darrell Stuckey 18% 21 votes

115 total votes.

FINAL: NU defeats KU, 31-17

The final seconds are filled with chants of “Go Big Red!” reverberating across Memorial Stadium.

After a draw play to Opurum, the clock runs out. KU has the cellar of the Big 12 North all to itself after its fifth conference loss.

NU 31/KU 17 — 29 seconds left in 4th quarter

On third-and-10, KU can’t stop a simple pitch play to the right side. Helu gets to the corner and breaks free untouched for 30 yards down the right sideline. The Huskers were going conservative and were content to punt it away, and KU’s defense wouldn’t even accept the invitation.

Helu runs for nine more yards, and Dontrayevous Robinson checks in to pick up four yards and the first down.

Three plays later, NU puts the exclamation point on its win, as on third-and-4, Helu runs through a huge hole up the middle before being slingshoted into the end zone for a TD.

NU 24/KU 17 — 3:16 left in 4th quarter

Reesing overthrows Briscoe down the field, and Meier can’t hold on to a pass over the middle. NU brings pressure on third down, and Reesing dumps off to Opurum, who loses two yards. Rojas booms a 56-yard punt that, as a bonus, lands out of bounds. NU takes over at its own 26.

Helu runs for four yards to the left on first down, then six yards to the left on second down. It’s starting to look like last week all over again.

Helu grinds for a yard up the middle, and Harris knocks him down for a one-yard loss on second down.

KU calls its first timeout of the second half.

NU 24/KU 17 — 6:19 left in 4th quarter

Well, that’s one way to lose momentum.

Paul runs through a hole on the kickoff return, going 44 yards all the way to the KU 36. Add on a five-yard off sides penalty on KU, and NU starts its drive in Henery’s field-goal range.

KU’s fans rise to the occasion, though, as NU is whistled for a false start before first down. After a 1-yard Helu run, Tharp knocks away a pass deep downfield on second down. On third-and-14, Thornton breaks up a screen pass, but he makes a huge mistake, grabbing a fistful of facemask. That play never would have gone for a first down, but 15 yards and a penalty keeps NU’s drive going.

The next play, NU cashes in, as Helu runs 20 yards around the right side for a touchdown. KU can’t stop the two-point conversion either, as Lee finds Paul in the back of the end zone.

The Huskers need just 64 seconds to rebuild a touchdown lead.

And just when KU’s offense shows some life in a game, the KU defense gives up 24 points to a suspect offense.

KU 17/NU 16 — 7:34 left in 4th quarter

KU tries a reverse on the kickoff return, and though Wilson tries to get to the outside, he fails. NU corrals him at the KU 11.

Reesing rolls to his right and fires a strike to Meier, who takes it 19 yards upfield to the KU 30.

KU has the perfect play called at the perfect time, and Reesing delivers a perfect ball deep down the field to Sharp on a wheel route. The ball hits Sharp square in the hands before he drops it. That would have been a 40-plus yard gain for KU if he holds on.

Reesing feels pressure and throws the ball away on second down, and on third-and-10, Meier can’t hold onto a pass over the middle, but NU’s Dejon Gomes is flagged for defensive pass interference, giving KU 10 yards and a new set of downs.

Reesing once again has success rolling to his right, flipping it to Meier, who goes up high to make a 15-yard reception.

Opurum gains six yards a pop on two consecutive carries up the middle, and KU has advanced it to the NU 33.

Briscoe takes a reverse, but NU’s defensive end Barry Turner, with blazing speed, runs down Briscoe from behind for a one-yard loss. With great protection, Reesing finds Meier on a slant for 11 yards, and third-and-1 belongs to Opurum, who drives forward for two yards.

The old magic returns for one more play, as Reesing slings a pass over the middle to Briscoe, who charges 21 yards into the end zone for a TD. Reesing emphatically pumps his fist in celebration before leaping up to chest-bump both Jeremiah Hatch and Briscoe.

Branstetter’s all-important extra point sails through, and KU has a late lead.

NU 16/KU 10 — 11:53 left in 4th quarter

Harris tackles Helu for a two-yard loss on first down, and the KU run defense has been much better with penetration this game as compared to the KSU game, when Daniel Thomas had no negative runs.

After an incompletion, Lee calls an audible to run the option and is tackled after a one-yard gain on third-and-12.

Henery makes a 38-yard field-goal attempt, and NU extends its lead.

NU 13/KU 10 — 13:28 left in 4th quarter

There’s been a Jamal Greene sighting at Memorial Stadium, as he bursts through the line and takes down Helu for a three-yard loss. Where has Greene been all year?

Helu gains six on a sweep right, and on third-and-7, McNeill catches a ball for five yards. Unfortunately for the Jayhawks, they still can’t catch a break, as Greene is whistled for a roughing-the-passer penalty that gives the Huskers an automatic first down. After watching the replay, the call was iffy at best, as Greene’s hit wasn’t vicious or extremely late. The penalty moves it to the KU 20.

NU 13/KU 10 — End of 3rd quarter

KU forces a third-and-5, but a huge hole opens up for Lee in the middle of the field, and he sprints 14 yards for an easy first down.

Completions of 2 and 7 by Lee set up a third-and-1, and Lee leans forward on a QB keeper to pick up a new set of downs at the KU 43.

NU 13/KU 10 — 2:43 left in 3rd quarter

Reesing shuffles to the left, shuffles to the right, then finds a hole up the middle. With both arms latched around the ball, Reesing bolts forward for 17 yards and a first down.

Reesing’s first-down pass is deflected, and on second down, McDougald can’t hold on to a screen pass that led him too far. Wilson drops a four-yard pass on third-and-10, and KU has decided to abandon a running game that was working right before the half.

Rojas’ punt rolls out of bounds at the NU 28.

NU 13/KU 10 — 3:42 left in 3rd quarter

NU’s Brandon Kinnie brings in a nice, one-handed catch on the sideline for eight yards, but Maxwell Onyegbule follows with a sack on third down to halt the drive.

Henery puts a 34-yard field-goal attempt through, and a 13-play, 79-yard drive gives NU the lead.

NU 10/KU 10 — 4:55 left in 3rd quarter

NU continues its success with play-action bootlegs, and tight end Mike McNeill stops dead in his tracks to avoid Stuckey before advancing for 10 yards and a first down.

McNeill is the target again on third-and-3, as he holds on to a tough catch for a seven-yard gain to the NU 44.

Paul once again strikes for a big play deep down the field, as Lee finds him for a 45-yard reception all the way down to the KU 11. Chris Harris was beat on the play in single coverage.

NU’s left guard Keith Williams is flagged for an unusual tripping call, and that moves the Huskers back 15 yards. Helu gains nine on first-and-25, as KU didn’t have many players lined up on the right side of the field.

NU calls timeout before second down.

NU 10/KU 10 — 10:57 left in 3rd quarter

Bradley McDougald returns the kickoff to the KU 23. Jayhawk fans applaud because, well, I guess it could be worse.

Opurum gets four yards and a cloud of dust. Reesing follows with a rollout and pass to Tim Biere for the first down.

McDougald drops a pass on second-and-10, but KU beats a blitz with a screen to Meier. The senior breaks a tackle and takes it 21 yards up the sideline for a crucial first down.

Reesing is starting to look more like himself, as he dances a bit in the pocket before finding Briscoe for a 19-yard catch down the sideline.

On third-and-9, Reesing once again makes the play, as he rolls to his right and throws back to his left over the middle to Meier. KU’s senior receiver makes a huge error, though, as he’s stripped from behind inside the KU 5. NU recovers at its own 4, and Meier drops his helmet to the turf in disappointment for a few seconds before picking himself up.

Huge, huge mistake by Meier, and also a huge momentum-buster for the Jayhawks, who looked destined for a touchdown on that drive.

Halftime Stats


• Reesing 10-for-22, 108 yards; 7 carries, 25 yards, TD

• Opurum 8 carries, 23 yards

• Meier 5 catches, 43 yards

• Briscoe 2 catches, 37 yards

• Wilson 2 catches, 24 yards


• Lee 4-for-9, 107 yards; 4 rushes, 44 yards

• Helu 10 carries, 39 yards, TD

• Paul 3 catches, 109 yards

Other stats

• NU outgained KU, 185-171, but KU more than doubled NU’s first downs (11-5).

• NU had just one first-half sack.

NU 10/KU 10 — Halftime

A short kickoff and poor coverage by KU gives NU good field position at the Huskers’ 43, but KU’s defense feeds off the new energy in the stadium. Chris Harris nearly picks off an incompletion on first down, and KU effectively strings out an option right that results in a five-yard loss for the Huskers.

Lee breaks a pair of tackles to gain 10 on a scramble, but Harris brings him down short of the chains.

Henery’s punt sails 52 yards into the end zone for a touchback, and KU takes over at its own 20.

Opurum is still in, but KU runs the option right with him for a one-yard loss. Running the big guy outside doesn’t make much sense.

Reesing loses three on a quarterback draw, and KU is in a deep hole.

NU brings a blitz, and Reesing floats a pass out to Briscoe, who makes a great cut to the inside. The junior outruns two NU defenders up the field, gaining 28 yards to pick up the first down on third-and-14.

Reesing’s pass to Meier sails high, but on second down, a throw to Wilson is true, and the junior turns it upfield for a nine-yard gain. Opurum is KU’s third-down-and-short weapon, and he squirms forward for a yard-and-a-half to move the chains.

Reesing starts to work it to Meier over the middle, gaining eight yards and six yards on consecutive passes. The Jayhawks waste about 10 seconds dialing a play in, though, and an incomplete pass leaves the Jayhawks with just 21 seconds left and two timeouts to work with at the NU 32.

KU gets some Senior Day luck, as Reesing’s pass is batted up by NU’s Alonzo Dennard and caught by Wilson for a 16-yard gain with 11 seconds left.

With no one open, Reesing wisely throws the ball away with 4 seconds left. Bransetter puts a 33-yard field-goal attempt through, and KU has tied the score with two impressive drives to end the half.

NU 10/KU 7 — 4:58 left in 2nd quarter

KU rushes to the line and quickly hands off to Toben Opurum, who runs around the end for five yards and an easy first down. Not bad for his first carry of the game.

Opurum gets three yards on first down, then takes an option pitch for two yards.

Reesing’s pocket crumbles on third-and-5, but he still is able to fall ahead for four yards. On fourth-and-1, Opurum gets the ball up the middle, and the freshman punishes an NU defender while pushing ahead for three yards and a first down.

Opurum is on a roll now. He bounces off one defender and spins off another for six yards. The next play, he grinds forward for three more. A receiver screen to Meier catches NU off-guard after all the running plays, and Meier follows blockers ahead 12 yards for a first down all the way to the NU 5.

On first down, Reesing drops back to pass then see an opening to the right, sprinting ahead and diving forward for a touchdown. The QB throws his hands up in celebration, and KU has its best drive in a long, long time. Thirteen plays, 80 yards on that drive for KU, and Opurum has given the KU offense and KU fans a much-needed shot of adrenaline.

NU 10/KU 0 — 9:42 left in 2nd quarter

Reesing has looked good running the ball today, and he follows blockers up the field for 13 yards before sliding. After giving himself up, Reesing is blasted by NU’s Larry Asante, and the personal foul for a late hit give KU 15 free yards.

Reesing throws wide to Meier on first down, and Briscoe takes a screen 9 1/2 yards on second down.

Instead of running, KU tries a bootleg pass on third-and-inches, and Reesing’s pass is batted away.

KU coach Mark Mangino calls timeout before fourth-and-inches at the NU 42.

NU 10/KU 0 — 10:47 left in 2nd quarter

A comedy of errors for KU’s defense on first down, as Maxwell Onyegbule bites on a play fake and a missed tackle in the secondary allows Lee to gain 32 yards down the sideline on a QB keeper. The next play, KU is gashed again, as Lee hits Niles for 37 yards after Niles ran past everyone in the Jayhawks’ secondary.

KU’s defense holds the next three plays, but it’s too late to prevent points. Henery splits the uprights on a 25-yard field-goal attempt, and KU’s defense has been less-than impressive today against the worst statistical offense in the Big 12.

NU 7/KU 0 — 12:43 left in 2nd quarter

On a quarterback draw, Reesing finds a hole to the right and gets 13 yards before wisely sliding.

Another designed running play for Kale Pick, and this is the first time I can remember a gadget play with him gaining positive yards. The option left goes for five yards, and Meier saves the drive with a diving five-yard catch on third-and-five.

Reesing’s inaccurate passing hasn’t gone away, though. Two consecutive short passes miss the mark by a wide margin, and a jailbreak blitz up the middle on third-and-10 forces Reesing to throw the ball away.

Rojas rolls a punt to the 22.

NU 7/KU 0 — End of 1st quarter

This has quickly turned into a punt-fest. A wide-receiver screen is snuffed out by Anthony Davis, who tackles Khiry Cooper for a two-yard loss. Helu rushes for two yards, and a third-and-10 screen pass is knocked away by KU’s Justin Thornton.

Henery delivers a nice punt to the sideline, and the Jayhawks will take over deep on their own end at the KU 6.

Sharp falls forward for four yards on a first-down run, and the clock runs out on the first quarter.

NU 7/KU 0 — 2:07 left in 1st quarter

KU’s senior captains aren’t having the best of first quarters. On second down, Paul beats Darrell Stuckey in one-on-one coverage, and Paul finally is dragged down after a 37-yard gain.

NU’s offense hasn’t gotten much going besides deep passes, though. On third-and-7, NU’s coaches opted for a strange play call — a speed option to the short side of the field. Helu was knocked out of bounds short of the first down, and Alex Henery trots out for his second punt.

KU’s offense doesn’t waste any time going backwards. Sharp runs for three, miscommunication between Reesing and Johnathan Wilson leads to an incompletion and Reesing is sacked from a backside blitz on third down. Rojas comes out to boot it away.

NU 7/KU 0 — 6:19 left in 1st quarter

After allowing an eight-yard run to Helu on first down, KU’s defense holds. Lee is tripped by Huldon Tharp for a one-yard gain (NU sure didn’t look like it received a good spot) and Helu is stacked up on third-and-1 for a loss. After a punt, KU will start with great field position at the 50.

The Jayhawks once again are haunted by an offensive pass interference, though, as Tim Biere block downfield opened up Dezmon Briscoe for a catch. Though I didn’t see it as the play happened, Biere draws two separate flags, so his clearout must have been blatant.

Reesing completes a pair of passes to take back some field position, and Rojas executes another nice punt that skips down to the NU 5.

NU 7/KU 0 — 10:58 left in 1st quarter

Jeff Spikes is back in the starting lineup, only he’s in there at right guard. KU moves Sal Capra to left guard and takes red-shirt freshman Trevor Marrongelli out of the lineup.

Jake Sharp drops a catchable ball on first down, and Reesing scrambles forward for two yards on second down.

On third down, Kerry Meier is open, but he has a pass clank off his hands. Two drops already for KU and a deflating start for the Jayhawk seniors.

Alonso Rojas booms a rugby punt, though, blasting it 57 yards, and a block-in-the-back moves back NU farther. The Huskers will take over at their own 8.

NU 7/KU 0 — 12:05 left in 1st quarter

Tim Marlowe starts NU with good field position, as he returns the opening kickoff 40 yards to the NU 42. I think that’s the first missed tackle I’ve seen KU kicker Jacob Branstetter have this season.

KU opens in a 4-3 defensive set. Are the Jayhawks expecting more rushes than passes from NU?

The Huskers strike on their first play with a deep pass, as Zac Lee hits Niles Paul for a 35-yard pass down the sideline. Anthony Davis is burned on the play, and he might return to the doghouse quickly.

A few plays later, Lee fumbles on an option play at the 1, but Roy Helu alertly runs up to fall on it in the end zone.

So much for NU not scoring a TD on its last 44 possessions starting in its own territory. That streak is broken, and the Huskers are up by a touchdown early.

2:35 p.m.

KU wins the toss and defers. Nebraska will receive.

2:32 p.m.

Here's a weather report: It's 53 degrees here under cloudy skies with winds out of the north at 8 miles per hour.

2:29 p.m.

Funny moment in the senior introductions, as Todd Reesing ran full speed and jumped into the arms of his parents on the field.

2:18 p.m.

As many feared, red is splashed all the way across Memorial Stadium. There are some red-clad fans in every section of the stadium, and I'd say NU fans make up about 35 percent of the total attendance here so far.

2:03 p.m.

Here are a few notes about today's game.

Nebraska defensive end Ndamukong Suh, who had 12 tackles (and four tackles-for-loss) against KU last year, also has been a force on special teams. He has blocked three kicks this year.

NU's other defensive tackle, Jared Crick, has nine sacks this year, which is the most by a Cornhusker since 2005. He had five sacks in one game against Baylor earlier this season.

NU running back Roy Helu has been battling a shoulder injury, but he looked almost fully recovered last week against Oklahoma, when he had 20 carries for 138 yards. The junior had 78 rushing yards and a touchdown in the fourth quarter alone of last year's game against KU.

Thanks to the Omaha World-Herald for this stat: In NU's last four games, it has had 44 offensive drives started in its own territory. The Huskers have scored touchdowns on none of those drives. In fact, NU has mustered just three field goals in those 44 possessions. For the season, NU has had 68 offensive drives started in its own territory against FBS competition and has just two TDs on those 68 possessions.

NU's 63 first downs this season isn't just last in the Big 12 — it's 19 first downs behind 11th-place Baylor.

NU has not allowed a point in the fourth quarter in its last three games. The Huskers have shut out four of their five Big 12 opponents in the final quarter.

KU has not lost five straight games since losing the last seven games of the 2002 season.

1:25 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Memorial Stadium in Lawrence where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers on Senior Night.

I know Kansas fans are looking for any good vibes they can get following KU's four-game losing streak, so let's start this blog with something positive.

Here goes: KU is 2-0 against NU in its last two games at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence.

I've posted the 6Sports videos on the left side of this blog from both of those games. Make sure to give them a look, as both were monumental games for KU's program.

We'll be back with more analysis later. Be sure to vote in the poll on the left and also to use #kufball on your tweets so they show up in our grid on the left side.


Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 6 months ago

Hopefully we keep 35% of Memorial Stadium quiet today! Go 'Hawks.

Jesse Newell 10 years, 6 months ago

Hey, a comment! Thanks hail2olku. I was getting worried there for a second.

kugrad93 10 years, 6 months ago

Can anything go right for this team? Horrible NU offense scores in lightning fast drive, complete with fumble recovery in the end zone. Unreal. Mizzou crushed KSU, so the Hawks are going to find themselves alone in the North cellar if they don't wake up.

rcjh22 10 years, 6 months ago

Well we stopped the worst offense in the big 12.. that's good.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

terrible tackling. Just hit the guy. Stuckey has done that all year.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

Is Xavier in the house? Nobody else showed up.....

vmwskywalk 10 years, 6 months ago

The definition of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

I've lost all confidence in Mangino. I don't know that there is anything that he can do to restore it.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

Step aside Sayers and Riggins - super runner Kale Pick is in.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

why is pick carrying the ball instead of opurum? We might as well have red shirted him since we are just wasting him the second half of the season,

Eric Hammond 10 years, 6 months ago

Mark will be the next fired coach of the University of Kansas because he is to attached to his player. Todd Reesing is playing like crap, and has played that way for 5 games. What ever his excuse is, doesn't matter. I can't image a QB not being able to make a reasonable 5 yard pass. Get hime out of there and lets look toward the future.

funkitect 10 years, 6 months ago

ok, senior day, reesing got his start, 1st quarter is over... is it time to pull him yet? other than the scramble on the last drive, he hasn't done anything worthwhile. all his passes are horrible.

and, i don't know how many games we have to fail at running sharp between the tackles before we do something different. i guess mangino is stubborn enough to keep it up for the rest of the season.

competely unexcusable. completely incompetent.

i hate to sound like a bandwagoner, but: thank god for basketball season.

jahawkdave 10 years, 6 months ago

Reesing couldn't hit a bull in the a$$ with a handful of sand! Time for Pick to throw Opurum to run!

FlaHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Game going as expected:

1) NU moving ball all over field: 2) Reesing short hoping, throwing wild and getting passes tipped at line of scrimmage!;

Same old same old!

KU is so stuck in a rut that you can call a 5-7 season!

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

They need to throw Asante out of the game!

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 6 months ago

BENCH REESING NOW!!!!!!! Even Peyton Manning would be benched if he were this ineffective! Reesing's doing NOTHING right!

funkitect 10 years, 6 months ago

exactly, what not? cause mangino / warriner are boneheads.

kugrad93 10 years, 6 months ago

Reesing is 4 of 12.

Coaches must have zero confidence in Pick. Why do they have any left in Reesing?

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

If we're playing for this season, put Meier in at QB. If we're playing for the future, t's time for KP. Reesing is done. And to state the obvious, so is Sharp.

jahawkdave 10 years, 6 months ago

3rd and less than a yard Opurum!!! I'm so tired of this! This is why we lost to CU throwing on short and goal. Just pound the ball! Thank you!

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

I would like to see someone knock Asante flat after that late hit. Someone show some passion and stand up for the qb.

funkitect 10 years, 6 months ago

damn, opurum is awesome! what the F have the coaches been thinking keeping him fenced in so long?

rastameta 10 years, 6 months ago

Opurum is are only offense right now...hard to believe he hasn't seen more playing time in the Big 12.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

Where's T.O. been the last month? Oh, yeah, on the bench. Doh!

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 6 months ago

Please let someone else coach this group through next years "cupcake" schedule!

rastameta 10 years, 6 months ago

IMHO, Mangino is too stubborn until the season is almost gone...then he finally gives in and we win a couple of games again.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

love that we finally got Opurum involved. We would probably have won the last 4 games if we stuck to wht was working early in the year instead of relying on Sharp for 0 yards and Todd's arm.

jahawkdave 10 years, 6 months ago

I've lost all confidence in Mangino. Opurum doesn't touch the ball till late in the 2 Qtr our #2 qb carries the ball before he does? ManNOTgenius

rastameta 10 years, 6 months ago

Terrible read by Reesing on the option.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

We've wasted a ton of time on this drive. Coaching, coaching, coaching.

rastameta 10 years, 6 months ago

great clock management yet again by a Mangino and Reesing

jahawkdave 10 years, 6 months ago

Todd went from Heisman talk to looking like a frat boy intermural flag football quarterback.

Eric Hammond 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm sorry, but Todd has to be pulled from the game. His passes look very ugly. If we are going to use our QB as a runner, put Pick in the game. He is a better runner anyways. Todd is horrible at all his throws. Hit a guy in stride, stop making your WRs dive for your freaking passes. Lead them, if you can't sit down and let someone else try.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Highlights of the Boise State game are on right now. I think I would rather die than watch, play. or even look at that horrible blue field. And their uniforms are the same color as the field, so it is like watching a football move itself across a god awful blue field.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Todd's passes have looked terrible all year. Throwing a 5 yard pass 2 yards too short is nothing new for him, even when we were winning early in the year. I have no idea what happened to him.

kugrad93 10 years, 6 months ago

Two yards from the goal line would be a good place to make sure you have a good grip on the ball.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

Our defensive fundamentals absolutely suck.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

Are we recruiting anyone tabbed as an Athlete who can play cornerback? MM and Bowen keep playing these under 5-10 midgets who can't cover!

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 6 months ago

I cant wait for this season to be over. This is once again so hard to watch.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

My god. What was the point of the trick play on the return? Just let Stuckey get the ball to the 25 or 30 and go from there. Sharp just dropped a 50 yard gain. Great.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

NU getting a lot of good breaks in this game. All in their favor!

KU can't buy a break and would lose that if they got it! LOL

Brightest point of our O is Toben.

Wilson's game has been pretty good.

Reesing still looks unsettled and uncertain.

We still have a chance if ManG will get a plan together this qtr!!!! hello????? Let's win this game!!

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Got a nice break on the penalty. Now let's get the lead here and then play some D.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

What's with the trickery? If we play our game, AND make our plays, we win.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

We need a D stop!!!!

Nice throw and catch...I knew they could do it.

A little too soon, clock mgmt, but we'll take it.

Let's go D

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Yes! Finally. Now we have to play D, which we haven't been able to do on critical end of game drives lately.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

God our kick coverage is horrible. Kick the ball through the end zone. We pretty much just gave them the lead back on that return. Now the D has to step up big.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

W.T.F.? Pooch kick WITH the wind?!?! Morons.

RunningBeaker84 10 years, 6 months ago

That is twice we have decided to screw up a kickoff!

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

This down is huge...Crap! Penalty

Auto first down...

RunningBeaker84 10 years, 6 months ago

I was hoping the team wanted to go bowling this year.

rastameta 10 years, 6 months ago

Way to go high on that tackle Thorton. Dumb, dumb play. You have to know to know the down and distance. What an idiot.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago Reesing has to march down in 6:00 mins to

great 2 pt conversion


jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Well there goes the game. Make a huge play on 3rd down, but with the stupid penalty. Now we have to put together another TD drive and use the whole clock. And we're down 7. The defense has no backbone when it counts. So damn frustrating.

colohawk2814 10 years, 6 months ago

dumb, just dumb. it is hard to keep your head up as a player when your coaching staff makes really stupid calls like a pooch kick. i have been attending this games since 1967, i just can't watch anymore this year.

Chuck Wagstaff 10 years, 6 months ago

Who wants this game less? Our coaches, our defense or our offense? I can't believe I'm so down when we have a chance to beat NU, but I can't help what I'm seeing. Not much to be encouraged about down the road.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

ha ha ... can't get a freakin' break

Let's go is the time to show you earlier hype

You have to score

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

The reason this season has been so depressing is that we have beat ourselves the last 4 weeks. Just plain stupid coaching and game planning. If the team lost because the other team was better, I can stand that. But beating ourselves against a worse team every week, this can't go on any longer.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

wow...on/off...dumb play call...why? why?

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Crap. We have to punt, and we probably won't get the ball back, at least with a chance to tie.

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

NU will run run run 1st run run 1st clock and win!

Short of run back over!

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

unfreakin' believeable...I'm done!

Have a great day all!!!

We play Memphis on 11/17?


Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

If we had played Opurum earlier, we would have beaten these guys. Go KU beat Memphis!

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Game over. Pathetic effort yet again. 1-5 and dead last in the conference. Way to show up for the seniors today.

Kent Wells 10 years, 6 months ago

This sucks. And I can't take any more of the gum chewing.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 6 months ago

can we forfit the rest of the season please. I cant take another two losses on ABC. This team is pathetic. The coaching is a complete joke as well.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 6 months ago

This is a good time to put on a new addition to Memorial Stadium when our football team has completely fallen apart.

caddie733 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome to the cellar KU, you earned it!

2 straight weeks now where we know the other team is ONLY going to run...and we can't stop it. How do you let 2 straight opponents run out 5 minutes of clock when you DESPERATELY need a stop? Completely unacceptable!

No bowl for KU, they will not beat Texas of Mizzou

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

That Phil Steele projection turned out to be right on. I can't believe how bad this team turned out to be. And I have to put all the blame on inept coaching. Like Sharp playing over Opourm. And abandoning the run in favor of hopeless passing plays by Reesing. And a poorly coached, uninspired defense that gives up when it matters most. I never dreamed I would be embarrassed of our football program at the end of this season.

jayhawkintexas 10 years, 6 months ago

Mangino really blew this game. Until we went up in the game, there was no emotion, no excitement, nada. I've seen Nick Saban throw his headphones when a player does something stupid--like roughing the passer on third down. What does Mangino do? Nothing. Again, no emotion, no passion.

Jonathan Briles 10 years, 6 months ago

Wow, well I am now officially done being supportive. I have looked on and hoped and hoped and hoped, but its over. I now have no fuel in that tank. This team is an embarrassment to the university. I thank god we only have two more games. I cannot wait to see some of theses players and coaches gone after this season. This team was never good all season. I am so tired of trying to look on the bright side. There no longer is a bright side. I dont care who comments on this saying I am a fair weather fan bc I have done it and I'm not I have supported this team all season long but this group of individuals no longer deserves the term team. I love this university and I will still love this football team but for now I do not respect them and hate this season. Thank god basketball season is here.

beebe1 10 years, 6 months ago

Thank you coaches for the 'pooch kick'! Another major mistake in coaching.

Nothing wrong with our team personnel. Let's get them coached properly, next year.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

Anyone who thinks Mangino is still building up this program is insane. We followed an Orange Bowl with a 7-5 season in which we blew a huge lead at USF, didn't even pretend to show up against TTU or UT at home, and couldn't get anything done on D vs. NU and OU. And we followed up a mediocre bowl with a season that is going to be 5-7 with no bowl. This team is headed straight back down where it was when Mangino started, and nothing he has done coaching wise the last 2 seasons should make any sensible fan think it will get better.

caddie733 10 years, 6 months ago

I totally agree with KanFan27...this team doesn't deserve any support. If they are not going to play their hearts out, why do they deserve support? If the coaches are going to continue to be inept, why do they deserve support?

It isn't to say that people don't support the university...however, this team is a complete embarrassment. Regardless of what expectations people had, no one expected this. Greater evidence that the OB year was a mere anomaly, rather than signs that the program was headed for greatness.

jayhawkintexas 10 years, 6 months ago

The conspiracy theory (that the players are throwing the games because they are mad at Mangino for the way he handled the incidents with the basketball team) may have gained more merit after this game. Consider this: Mangino gets bonuses for the team's performance and going to bowl games--if the players throw the games, he doesn't get his bonuses so the players get their revenge; it is EASY to miss a tackle or let a running back out of your grasp and make it LOOK like you are trying to tackle them; it isn't hard to miss catching a pass; and, finally, the body language on the sideline says "we're just not that into football." I'm not convinced of the conspiracy theory but you do have to wonder.

TNJHawkfanof4 10 years, 6 months ago

what the crap? they start off smoking hot and now they are cold as ice. let's just hope the basketball team doesn't follow the same path. Good grief, pretty embarassing if you ask me

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

There is no idiot in the universe who thinks the players are making themselves miserably on purpose to keep Mangino from making a 100K bonus. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard on this board.

jayhwkroks 10 years, 6 months ago

Let's go KU!!!!!!!!!! Whoop Memphis!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all that needs to be said! Football is over as far as I'm concerned.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

Poor coaching from August on! This all falls on the big man!

jayhwkroks 10 years, 6 months ago

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of recruits that were thinking about coming here jump ship!!!! I wouldn't blame them!!!!!!! The water seems to be filling up the ship quicker and quicker each year!!!!!!!!!

FlaHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Do you realize that KU is possibly the worst team in the Big XII. aTm and Baylor could make cases that on any day they could whip KU.

Mangino was pretty weak with his KO that NU ran back to KU 31 rather than blast it into the end zone and have NU start at their own 20 yard line. Followed up by the stupid reverse on the next received KO that lost a good 10 yards.

NU won because of special teams and lack of turnovers and bone headed undiscipline 15 yard penalties. They were better coach and better disciplined all day!

UT 56 KU 14 MU 38 KU 21

Wait for next years cupcakes to break a 7 game losing streak!

fansincewilt 10 years, 6 months ago

This is very disappointing. I'm confident that this team is better than they have been showing but for some reason something is definitely not working. I don't think they have played well since the fight incident. Maybe Reece's injury got into his head. It is very hard to say but his throwing has been really off. It is all just very disappointing. I was looking forward to another bowl game this Christmas season. I guess at this point it is not an impossibility but doesn't appear likely. I know how disappointed the coach's staff and players have to be. There was so much optimism coming into the season. It is just a game and life will be full of disappointments. I will always enjoy watching the Jayhawks play their games.

Ryan Sullivan 10 years, 6 months ago

Its very sad the way this season has played out. What happens next season, and the season after that, and the season after that...? We're never going to have a football program like Florida or USC, but it would be nice to be a consistently quality program.

The coaching staff is going to have a completely different squad with entirely different personnel next year. We've been able to get better recruits over the last few years, so I think the next 2 years will make or break Mangino's career at KU.

kugrad93 10 years, 6 months ago

Two questions: 1) How many points will Texas beat this horrible team by? It's gonna be ugly. 2) How many assistants will Mangino fire since someone has to take the blame?

FlaHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

It will be interesting to see how Lew avoids laying an egg with the stadium expansion. KU will not be as talented next year, although rotating the South schedule will allow more competition.

KU will go 6-6 and average about 40K at home next year! Stadium plans will be indefinately postponed!

Billy Derringer 10 years, 6 months ago

take away the orange bowl season, and what do we have a couple of crappy bowls. i want a coach with fire in his gut not just a gut. mm time has come and gone lets move on he cant ever get the south wins ever ever ever ...LEW.. u r the man go find us a coach that can recruite some damm players....and on game day make adjustments that win show up in the win colum....thanks mm for your hard work but we have went as far as u can take us we, we need a new general to take us where we all want to be, the hell with sawing wood i want to lay the damm wood, now lets get are azz on to the next guy lew,,,,and mm coaching staff sucks too we need a real d.c. and alot of postion coaches that accually coach...damm im pissed as hell

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

Not sure about that FlaHawk, they redshirted a lot of guys who could have contributed on defense where was no depth. Sellers, Young, Kande, etc.

gchawk 10 years, 6 months ago

As far as I'm concerned special teams lost this for us, again. They are anything but special. also, the big "O" should have been envolved more in running.

Brad Swisher 10 years, 6 months ago

Wow. Disappointing season for sure, but even more disappointing is the sickening negativity on this post board. Get a life and quit worrying about things you can't control.

55jayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

These kids all played the best they could. Maybe they were not as good as we all thought they were but they never quit! Next year, we have a bunch of winners coming back on Offense especially the line which was good today. Defense will be tweeked next year and I think the recruits will still come to KU. If they are good enough to play and they think by coming to KU will make a difference, the recruits will still come. The whole game is based on whether you as player /recruit think you will be the next KU football hero. We may not get any 5 star players but we will get good players and win again. I am miffed by whoever called for the pooch kick. We should have buried it in the end zone then played smart and tough on defense.....we did not. They are not quiters or losers but some of our coaches including the "Big Budda" made some horrible decisions today and that was not fair to the players. At this point I would like to see how the recruiting goes this year and see what happens next year. I think next year's offense will be a lot different in what they will run, because the spread offense is going out. We will not be picked to do much next year so we will not have any pre season hype to try and live up to. I really think we will surprise a lot of folks next season. If we don't, then Lew needs to get serious as to why we are not better next year & do whatever has to be done.

jayhawk02 10 years, 6 months ago

I felt like the offense showed signs of life today.....Reesing seemed to gain a little confidence. My questions are: Why run option to the weak side with Operum, rather than more zone reads for him? What is up with the pooch kick WITH THE WIND? And how many times have we seen our defensive personel just hit the ball carrier, rather than wrap up? Oh well, I'm still saving hope for a win against mizsewery.

FlaHawk 10 years, 6 months ago


You may be right about the redshirt issue. Other than offensive skill positions, KU is pretty young. KU did burn up about 3 redshirts mid-season on defense. I will still stand by my 6-6 and 40K numbers though for 2010.

KJRFC 10 years, 6 months ago

An absolute disgrace. Linebacker coach said it best, "Nothing is sadder than what could have been." The Big XII North is a total joke and should have been ours for the taking. Not that it would have mattered vs. Texas, but it's a hell of a lot better than finishing DFL in the worst collection of teams in the 6 major conferences.
Hey, Mangino, if in the Spring, you knew at some point in the upcoming season, our defense would be in trouble, why not make any changes then instead of 8 games into the season? I wonder if during the last 7 minutes of the game, instead of coaching D, Bowen was calling around for real estate agents.
Stuckey and Briscoe, you guys are true players and hopefully we'll see you on Sundays. Seniors, you all pissed away this "special" season with horrendous play when it mattered the most. Our 5 wins don't mean squat, because they were against total nobodies. At least were showing some balls and playing Georgia Tech the next two seasons. Opurum, can't wait to see what you can do. KU Hoops won't choke down the stretch. Maybe Self should be the recruiting coordinator for football, too. It couldn't hurt. Say what you want, but I'm done w/ KU football, and thank goodness our march to our 6th National Title has started.

babyjay1 10 years, 6 months ago

I stayed, I cheered and I stood the whole game! Reesing did not look as bad as some of you think - his receivers let him down several times. Good news, Suh came into Memorial Stadium and left quietly. One more chance for a bowl game and I am still hopeful. The defense let us down, and I am so disappointed by that.... Still, I am thankful for the Seniors because without them, we wouldn't have the great highlights over the last couple of years. Not our year, but it happens.....I think our Offensive Coord needs to be replaced. Just not really impressed by his play calling over this stretch so we'll see what happens....

FlaHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Hard to believe that Todd Reesing could arguably be the inferior QB in each and every Big XII match up this year. How the heck could this happen? KU offense is to predictable and has no run game and everyone is better while KU regressed a couple of years this year!

It is not Todd's fault, but KU can not win without Todd be at least an equal QB to the opponents QB. Who would have thought that Todd would go out with a 7 game losing streak!

Lew has egg all over his face with the stadium plans and the collapse of the FB team!

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

Clint Bowen ($260K) and Matsakis (special teams) just have to go.

Jake Sharp is a great kid. But can anyone explain why he has played so much the last four weeks over Oporum? Particularly when Sharp has been hurt all year.

The administration -- facing lagging fundraising for the stadium addition -- will have to make some decisions. This has been a lost year.

lovemyhawks 10 years, 6 months ago

take away the really ugly begining and first quarter and i felt like we played much much better today and reesing truly seemed to gain some confidence and did pretty well once he got rolling.......... meier's fumble, the ugly pooch kick and that face mask penalty were the 3 killers of the day in my opinion. we gave up and gave in after that last penalty but i thought the 2nd quarter until then was decent to watch and i was proud of the crowd being there and hanging on and felt like it was a good game overall to watch. it's been a HUGE letdown for sure and not the season we wanted with these seniors and i still don't get what happened to them unless the fight somehow divided and dis-united the whole team and their spirit. i'm LOVING basketball which is definitely our saving grace but i also love football and hate that the season turned so bad on us. it was interesting watching today knowing THIS game was SUPPOSED to decide the north winner........ that was a bit of a joke but i thought there was some heart at times, at least much more than the last 4 games. i love my hawks no matter what but i'm sure glad basketball season is upon us!!

lovemyhawks 10 years, 6 months ago

i was THRILLED to see oporum play more today and have also wondered why he has not been playing more........ i would have played him over sharp the whole season.

100 10 years, 6 months ago

Much better competitive spirit today. D overall had a pretty good game. Young O line was solid. Love that Coach has finally allowed the spread back into our playbook.

We overloaded those corners all day -- throws weren't always perfect, but this is probably the first week all season Todd has practiced the 2007 spread alignment.

Notice how the NU line didn't have time to get to Todd?

That's because he was already back in position about to fling it.

Only complaint is the high arcing throws out of bounds.

We should be able to throw for five yards every possession with quick slant routes when we are 3 to one on the edges.

It's simple -- that's how we beat them 76-39.

Glad MM is finally remembering how easy it really is to move the ball. Unfortunately a bit late in the season, but I distinctly noticed something I hadn't seen in 3 games --

A 100% look of confidence in the eyes of the eleven Jayhawks playing offense.

That's where we get the swagger back.

With this group, with the proper playcalling, there should almost never be a possession where we don't score seven.

Keep it up MM -- the spread is where it's at.

And though we didnt finish it off today...

Your change in approach is much appreciated.

Let's set four goals for the next game:

  1. score every possession.

  2. No more wasted plays.

  3. Bread & Butter (only).

  4. No Whipped cream. Just bread. And butter.

Rock Chalk, Coach Mangino

yates33333 10 years, 6 months ago

Some years you get a lot of breaks, some years none. This wasn't KU's year. They were a better team than their record, which makes it even more frustrating. Maybe next time.

namder 10 years, 6 months ago

As far as I'm concerned this season is finished. I will invest no more emotion into this team. Lew had better have a heart to heart with the big blue tuna. If mediocrity at best is what we aspire to then we better keep status quo. With the $ that has been invested in facilities we damn well better expect better. This SUCKS!

Kevin Heath 10 years, 6 months ago

While I'm not going to go so far as to say I think this team will beat Mizzou, I think it would help us all tremendously. While expectations last year were not as high as this, and the losing streak was not as long as this, I REALLY remember feeling about like this last year at this time. I love Kansas football and I will always be a fan, but I had such a bad feeling our team was going nowhere last year at this time. I think the win over Mizzou and subsequent minor bowl victory made me forget all of the badness of last year. This Kansas team won't beat Texas, but what happens if they beat Mizzou? Do we fans forgive or partially forget how terrible we all feel about the team right now? I don't know, I just really don't know what to say or think.

How about this though: Kansas beats Mizzou and ends up playing USC in the Sun Bowl??? Who would have predicted that as a possibility.

100 10 years, 6 months ago

USC fans are calling for heads to roll.

Could you imagine USC without that grey haired surfer coach?

It's like taking the "Pete" out of Peter Pan...

Are they crazy? [[ athletes flock to play for him ]]

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

Boogeyman: I"m your idiot. This is long and no one needs to read it I have to get off my chest.

I proposed weeks ago when we stopped winning seemed to coincide with the basketball freckus. I agree with you, the way, JHTexas states the case, seems highly unlikely. Yet that is not what we have been claiming.

We "Mel Gibson" theorists have been claiming that sports, battles and war contain 3 factors: preparation ( a battle plan) , the heavy hammer (talent or firepower) and emotion (confidence or swagger). Since the time of the fight with the BB team, this FB has lost every week. This crew was told stop fighting or even hinting at conflict with the BB team, no we aren't going to talk about it, and no we aren't going to disucss who is at fault and I don't care if several of them ganged up on a few of you, the discussion is over before it starts, no we don't care to let you get your gripes on the table, just drop it & play ball, or I'll kick your arse to Mars and back.

How would the marines take Iwo Jima if you stripped them of their dignity. It is a team building issue that is festering. While the BB team had a team meeting, went like this: I flew home from a recruiting trip for your poor decisions, here I am, let's talk this out, anybody got anything to say we are going to have this discussion just one time. Okay that is past, let's move forward and here are the new rules, any questions?

Where the FB team was told, no discussions no gripe session no way to let off steam. Read his comments at the time if you don't believe me, he said it wasn't worth discussing and he didn't care what actually happened. It did NOT need to be addressed.

With poor preparation, "coaching decisions", coupled with average talent, "we have some stars yet no more or less than the rest of the North divsion", all that linked to lost passion from the fist fights resolution, we have fallen to mediorce, If you can't see the connection I don't call you an idiot, just have a different perspective than you.

So I"m your idiot in the rain, fair weather fan, if that makes you feel better about yourself, and seeing that the fist fights were a turning point along with playing injured players over younger healthy ones and defenses reading our sideline hand signals meant really we have had no chance to win, a surprise we are doing as well as we have. Next two games, get behind and run the clock with slow play calling. Wonder what to do with my arrowhead tix.

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

KU will not go to a bowl with 6 wins. The Big 12 has 8 slots -- A&M will get the last one by beating Baylor at home next week. Even if KU beats Mizzou (unlikely) -- we go 6-6/2-6. A&M and Iowa State both will have better league records.

jahawkdave 10 years, 6 months ago

Babyjay1 receivers let reesing down? Briscoe and Meier have made some incredible catches on poor thrown balls all year. Just because they touch a terrible pass and don't catch it is in know way letting down reesing. The fact they even almost catch some of those passes is incredible. For instances the announcer mentioned briscoe's drop of a sure td against OU, that pass was at his shoelaces at full stride, he was lucky to get his fingers on it much less catch it. Todds been great, but this year he has been very very inaccurate and poor decisions. Todd has let his receivers down and up and over and behind...

Jesse Newell 10 years, 6 months ago

lama — Other bowls have spots to fill because some conferences do not have enough bowl-eligible teams. If KU goes 6-6, it will 100 percent go to a bowl.

troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

I am so disgusted I was not going to post any more. But, I just have to vent. I am a die-hard KU FB fan and I will watch the Texas game and will be at Arrowhead with 15 members of my family. I have had 12 season tickets the last 5 years and a long, long time season ticket holder for FB. But, these last two years have drained me, particularly this year.

Today, the pooch kick was a game changer. With the wind, Branstetter could have put it in the end zone, but Mangino has no confidence in Branstetter, a la the booming KO from the TT 40 (who can forget that bone head decision but this one was almost as bad). Our KO coverage team has been horrible for two years. KO returns also horrible. Punt coverage okay. Punt returns horrible.

According to recruiting analysis, we have gotten good recruiting classes the last few years, certainly on par with NU. Look how far their defense has come in two years when you consider we hung 76 on them a mere two years ago. I thought the 2007 year was going to vault us into B-12 North contenders every year. However, this coaching staff has only had one true signature win in 8 years...the Orange Bowl win over VT. We beat NU when they were down and KSU when they were down. NO wins over TT, TU, or OU.

Lew, it's time for a change. We have a coach whose personal self discipline is obviously lacking, not a good poster boy for the program. This team has the players but not the coaches. It's time to move on. Please.

KU 10 years, 6 months ago

It was bad enough to get beat 24-17 after taking a lead with 8 minutes left. WTF was the timeout for that gave NU a chance to make it 31-17? Did Mangino just want Reesing, et al, to have one more shot on offense? I'm sick of seeing Reesing and Sharp on offense as it is. I didn't need to see them one more time!

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 6 months ago

lighthawk - I didn't say anything about the "fights" not affecting the rest of the season. I was responding to someone's insane "conspiracy theory" that the players deliberately miss tackles and drop passes in order to lose games and thereby deprive Mangino of a performance bonus added to his salary. That "theory" is categorically moronic. I have been saying for almost a month now that Mangino lacks the ability to motivate his guys and takes his casual, passive, passionless demeanor too far and negatively affects the team. I think his job of coaching this year has been horrible. But it is absolutely ridiculous to say that players intentionally lose close games to spite the coach. Why would they ruin their own season intentionally so as to make a minor impact on the coach's salary for the year? It is preposterous. Mangino's response to the fights, or lack thereof, may well be part of the cause for the total collapse this season, but I didn't say anything about that or anything about you being an idiot for that matter. I said that only a fool would think the players deliberately throw games to spite the coach, and there is no question I am right about that.

KU 10 years, 6 months ago

jayhawkboogeyman.......I'm not sure how I feel about Mangino right now. But I don't think a passive, passionless demeanor is necessarily the reason we went down the tubes this year. Two passive, passionless coaches come to mind: Tom Osborne......Bill Snyder. They had pretty good programs.

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

Then there are too many bowls. It's academic, anyway: MU rolls KU in a couple of weeks.

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

Troutsee -- great call. The pooch was as inexplicable as the failure to attempt the onside kick at Texas Tech when we kicked from the Tech 40. Instead, we tell Branstetter to kick it out of the endzone because Mangino says he's a horrid directional kicker.

Strangely enough, Branstetter misses two chipshots the following week after being dressed down publicly by the head coach.

Special teams...awful.

KU 10 years, 6 months ago

How about the clock management when we get the ball with 3:37 left in the first half?? We waste so freakin' much clock looking over to the damn sideline between plays it's ridiculous! We settle for a field goal and NU goes into half feeling pretty good tied 10-10 instead of down 14-10 with momentum completely swung to KU's side.

Then of course Meier fumbles as we're going in to score on the first drive of the second half. If if's-and-buts-were-candy-and-nuts that would have made it 21-10 and NU is in panic mode.

And I agree with all that the pooch kickoff was a horrendous idea. But they were covering for their pathetic kick return team that has given up so many big returns all year. Matsakis needs to go!

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

Good point -- I think we ended the half with one time out left. With an earlier time out on that series, we would have had at least one, maybe two more plays before trying the field goal.

JayhawkCrazy 10 years, 6 months ago

I have been a season ticket holder since 1984 and have missed only a handful of games in that time. I also try to attend at least one or two away games each year. There have been some REALLY bad years during this span. I remember sitting through a 70 - 0 ass whoop'n by NU. There also was the 11 years in a freaking row that we lost to the k-staties. I could go on and on, but why bring up more of our miserable past. After each year, I would say to myself (and anyone that would listen) that it will be better next year. It is different this year. I am pissed. We have one of the highest paid coaches in the nation and besides 2007; we have been mediocre at best. Why were personnel changes not made? Did you see what happened to our run game when Jake Sharp was replaced? We did not get better as the year progressed; we regressed each and every week. Our supposed star quarterback is a party boy. I know so many people who see TR at bars and casinos which would not be a bad thing if the dumb ass would not drink to excess. I'm through thinking things will get better because they will not. KU can't win the North much less the BIG XII. After 25 years as a season ticket holder; I am done. Until there are some major changes, I will not have my butt in a seat at Memorial Stadium. If I do decide to go to a game, getting a ticket will be no problem as there will be 15 - 20 thousand ticket available. Lew, good luck with your elitist and snobbish freaking gridiron club. I'm sure you will have no problem getting the necessary funding---NOT!!! If not renewing my season tickets makes me a fair weather fan then so be it. I say I'm finally taking a stand. I know I won't be the only one. Also, I don't want to be mean, but seriously--have you ever thought about a recruit meeting MM? MM talks about working hard in the weight room and keeping in shape. This coming from a man who has to weigh himself on a cattle scale. Thank you sweet Jesus for KU basketball!!!

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

"defense collapses"... they just stopped playing with like 6 mins left in the game. looked lazy, going at only half speed, essentially giving up. and people wonder why fans leave early... if the team has checked out i see no problem in the fans doing the same. that being said, fans stuck around longer this game.

also, why do they even put sharp in? toben has done better all year.

i fear with the departure of reesing so also will go the football programs aspirations. (unacceptable for a school who's athletic contributions have gone up 300% in like the past 9 years)

JayhawkCrazy 10 years, 6 months ago

AMEN Hawkinator. You hit the nail on the freaking head.

KJRFC 10 years, 6 months ago

Just a little research to add insult to injury: Teams we defeated: Overall record of 23-29, with the best being Southern Miss. at 6-4. Teams we lost to: Overall record of 28-23, with the best being a bad Nebraska team (that lost to ISU in Lincoln, no less) at 7-3. Of the teams we defeated, only 2 are over .500, and that's barely. Of the teams we lost to, 4 are above .500, but none are impressive, nor have any of them been consistantly ranked all season. Bottom line, we lost to mostly beatable teams and defeated a bunch of awful teams. At the very worst, this team should have gone 8-4, with losses to OU, TT, TX, and Nebraska, and even all that would be underachieving and a big disapointment, given that TT and Nebraska completely suck this year, not to mention the ugliness of Big XII North football as a whole. Like I said before, it was ours for the taking.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 6 months ago

Coach mangino - thanks for your hard work and dilligence that you have put into the ku football program. I personally are greatful for the achievements this program has enjoyed under your tenure. All I can say is persevere through this lull...and I know we will eventually bring this program up to a high level. Don't let the negatives distract you and the program from focusing on our vision toward success. As you teach the players...handle the failures with intelligence...not emotion. I also encourage the jayhawk nation to not be discouraged...but continue to support the guys that are working to improve the football program.

Jim Pendleton 10 years, 6 months ago

I don't want to spend a lot of time rehashing all the problems of the day. Has been stated several times here today. Like many of you, I am very discouraged after today, for a lot of reasons.

Yes, this team has a valid chance of not winning again this year. It pains me to say that, because I consider myself an optimist. But it always seems to be something with this team. Todd takes care of the ball all day, but then Kerry fumbles early second half, if not a turnover then a bad penalty. Not a lot of penalties today, but it seemed like almost every one had a factor into eventual points for NU.

Now, you know it's coming from me on the fans, so here it is. First to everyone, I share your frustration. I have come to games for many years, and I will continue to come in the future. This talk of people bailing after a bad year has got to stop. Predictions of low crowd #'s next year also must stop. We have to get to a point of selling out in advance every year. You want to be like the big boys, then we need to act like it and be there win or lose, good weather or bad. Other places in our league that have crowds every game of 70-100K have no problem with this, why should we?

Second, to all our fans that were there today, thank you. I thought we were great today until it got away at the end. To those of you who sold out or gave your tickets to NU fans, frankly you don't really want to know what I think of you for that. Without beating a dead horse, you want to be like the big boys - well, see the previous paragraph. I thought we were past this, but apparently we still have a lot to learn.

Frankly I wish there was some way that our so called fans could be penalized priority points for selling out to other schools. I know you buy the tickets and you can do with them what you want. Well, I hope the extra $10-20 you made was worth it to sell out on your fellow Jayhawks. Disgraceful! Maybe these premium games should be about $150 each. Another reason to have season tickets.

Finally to the people in my section who got mad at me for standing up, cheering, and trying to help push our team along in a positive manner, sorry - I'm not sorry. Why would you buy tickets and sit on your a$$es all day? Good thing you all are not ticket holders in other places around the league where all the fans stand up most of the game, not just on third down. You wouldn't know what to do with yourselves. I can see it now - Mr Usher, would you tell these several thousand people to sit down, I can't see. @#$% unbelievable!

People, I agree with your right to complain, state your opinions, etc. But we can't go away. That won't help. I urge you to not only attend the Arrowhead game, but to buy future season tickets. We must have Jayhawk Nation in the stands, not those fans of the other teams. We need to become one of the big boys, and this is a major step every season in making that happen. Rock Chalk!!!

Sean Rodger 10 years, 6 months ago

Well said KU-Alumn & JayawkJim.

With regards to the "frustration" - I believe its a good thing. Why? Because we all care and we all want to win. Think back just 10 years ago...

Would the message boards be this full? Doubt it. But with the frustration - we are also KU Fans which make up Jayhawk Nation I've been a proud fan since I was little - win or lose - I'm still a Jayhawk fan. Hands down better than a ksu or misery fan.

This year was full of promise - full of hype. Granted it didn't go the way we wanted it to, but we'll go on. This senior class changed the face of Kansas Football - you can see by the atmosphere around MS. Spectacular - but like the slogan last year "We're Just Getting Started". We've come a long way, but we have a long way to go. Things are better, we just need to keep seeing results, strides, etc.

I will be at Arrowhead - the Border War has officially become our "Bowl Game".


Adam Evans 10 years, 6 months ago

we can still make a bowl if we beat misery. Sadly, it will be a much lesser bowl that anticipated. Silver lining to this week though...we are gonna trounce Memphis. Go collins, aldrich, and X. take us back to the promised land!

meatsauce 10 years, 6 months ago

Good morning. My, the sun seems really bright today. Huh. See you next year in Lincoln. 3 in a row. Huh.

KU 10 years, 6 months ago

KUGuy......Did you even SEE the game? It was the OFFENSE that gave away the game more than the defense. The special teams were even worse than the offense. Matsakis needs to go.....and he can take his brother with him. The last touchdown was meaningless. If you give up 24, with our supposedly "stellar" offense, you ought to win the game. I can't count how many pathetic throws Reesing threw, dropped balls, and of course the real killer, the fumble by Meier going into the endzone to start the 2nd half. Jake Sharp should never even be on the field. We can't run with him in the game. Opurum should have started and played 80% of every game after Sharp got injured--I don't care if Sharp is 100% healthy.

lama 10 years, 6 months ago

Whatever, meatsauce. Just beat K-State so you can finish the season losing in Boulder and getting clowned by Texas in Dallas. Next year is up for grabs -- these teams are even now.

babyjay1 10 years, 6 months ago

I will stand right up there with jayhawkjim80! Yes, I'm disappointed in this season but lets' see... Bill Self loses in 1st round 2 years in a row in March Madness. Were you fans the same ones calling for his head back then? Probably... Sure glad no one listened to you! The fans who give up their tickets now probably need to give them up....I am incredibly proud the the fans who stood and cheered all day yesterday - that's how you build a fan base. We aren't in the rankings of the Texas, USC, etc... teams who have had strong fan bases for YEARS! We need to build ours. Believe it or not, that will also bring recruits our way. To you fans who sold your tickets and parking passes to NU fans so they could put up their flags, their tents and sit in prime seats, you should probably give up your tickets. That stinks.... I sat behind a family all season where mom & dad sat politely with their coffee cups and tapped their hands together on good plays, hushed their 9 yr old if he got rowdy - pathetic. It's football, not golf. The 9 yr old would turn around and watch me scream & yell and high 5 me on good plays. I'll be back next year and although I think there need to be changes (Adios to the O Coord, I hope), HCMM needs to stay. He has buillt a program from nothing. We don't have a program that could garner an Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops like coach but Mangino has pushed us forward! He's made us all want more. Yes, I think you're "fair weather fans" if you give up now!

troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

Agree with most everything you said Baby Jay. I sit on the 40 on the student side and was surrounded by Nebraska fans. I will never, ever give one of my 12 tickets to a visiting team fans.....I don't care if they are my best friends.....they are not getting them. Period. And I am not selling them outside the stadium for the same reason. People who do so have absoluted no respect for their neighboring fans. But some KU FB fans have done this for as long as I can remember.

However, MM and his staff need to go. Yes, he has been a huge improvement over TA but the game time decisions, preparation, etc. are lacking. For instance, did you notice Reesing sliding in the NU game instead of acting like he was Tim Tebow. That's coaching. However, glaringly absent in games prior to this game and resulted in one and perhaps two of our losses. Also, Reesing had two throwaways in this game. As I recall, those were his first of the season. Why? Because of poor coaching. Why did a small and not very shifty but fast running back start? I give up. Why was the tight end not used more ofter as a receiver when Meier and Briscoe were being double teamed? I don't know again. MM is the type of coach I would hate to play for. One or two screw ups and you are on the bench, and not just for one play or a couple of series but for many games. That coaching philosophy destroys confidence and undermines team cohesiveness. Look at the merry-go-round in the defensive backfield. Yes, he has worked hard a brought us from hopelessly terrible to mediocrity. However, I still say, look at our national recruiting rank over the last several years and look what we have to show for it in wins. It's time to take the program to the next level.

babyjay1 10 years, 6 months ago

troutsee - you may be right. I'm concerned that we're not far enough along to get a coach yet that can take us farther... I may not be optimistic enough about that! If we could get a higher level coach that could take us the next step, I'd be all for it. The thought of a downgrade by mistake just makes me nervous. That could kill us for a long time!

troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

Yes, I agree, that would be the risk. How about Nolen Cromwell?

babyjay1 10 years, 6 months ago

Well, that's where my knowledge falls short. Offensive Coord for A & M... Don't know much about the job he's done. Of course, part of it is presentation, ability to recruit, woo the alum, etc.... Is he good enough??

troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

Not sure either. He's been at A and M for two years. So he might have quite a few connections in Texas. I think our team will be better next year because our lines will be veterans and the linebackers will have experience as well as most of the D-backs. In retrospect I was overly optimistic this year based on our skill players. Obviously, the play of those in the trenches are more important. Still, I have my reservations about the coaching. There is reason to be optimistic for next year. Of course, I am optimistic every year. I hope this year will not affect our recruiting negatively.

yates33333 10 years, 6 months ago

These comments are much too pessimistic. Mangino, Briscoe, Meier, Stuckey, Sharp, and, most of all, Reesing are the best things that have happened to KU football in 50 years. Now we have a good chance of having another group of Reesings, etal., and keeping Mangino. The team next year will have a more favorable schedule and a much better record. Overall, KU is on the up tick in football. This year is just a bump in the road of progress.

troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

Hope you are right Yates. I do think we have a chance to be better next year due to the experience that we will have on the defensive side of the ball and in the O-line. Still, we need some changes in the coaching staff to fix glaring holes in special teams and in the running game and on the defensive side, run stopping and the propensity to give up big plays.

suttonku 10 years, 6 months ago

I think if we get rid of MM then we should go after Turner Gil from Buffalo just to rub it in NU fans' faces.

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