Code_2008 (anonymous) says...

You mean Oklahoma, right?

Kansas played Colorado on FSN.

November 2, 2009 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

For what it's worth, the Texas A&M vs. Colorado game this weekend is on Fox College Sports at 12:30pm.

http://www.big12sports.com/SportSelec...

November 2, 2009 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jnewell (Jesse Newell) says...

Code_2008 and txrockchalk — Yep and yep. Thanks.

November 2, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

brungyjhawk (anonymous) says...

Keep the red out of lawrence this weekend. KU fans don't wear anything red! Wear blue!

November 2, 2009 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KUSmurf (anonymous) says...

Glad it's not an 11 AM start. All those early home games sucked.

November 2, 2009 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bennettcl (anonymous) says...

brungy we play in Manhattan this weekend. Next weekend though...yes..please no one wear red to the game. I for one wish the game was at 11 or 11:30. We obviously have been having trouble with the 2:30 ABC games. Hopefully that changes next week though against Nebraska who hasn't beaten us in Lawrence in their last two attempts. Let's keep that stat rolling.

November 2, 2009 at 4:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

leikness (anonymous) says...

Man, for some reason I am just dreading these games. Obviously I don't have a good feeling about them. Usually seeing these game times just fires me up but today I have a sinking feeling in my stomach.

November 2, 2009 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

"Glad it's not an 11 AM start. All those early home games sucked."

That may be true for the home crowd, but for those of us who are out of town (not to mention for recruiting), the 2:30 starts suck because the games aren't shown nationally. I would think as a Jayhawk fan, you would rather face the inconvenience of having to go to a game a few hours earlier than have recruiting hurt and have thousands of other KU fans either not be able to see the game or have to spend loads of money for pay per view.

November 2, 2009 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

okjhok (anonymous) says...

Yeah, Gameplan is starting to get expensive, and it's not in HD. I'm getting gouged. I wish all the games were on FSN.

November 2, 2009 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

brungyjhawk (anonymous) says...

bennettcl I meant to say ON this weekend. My mistake. Go hawks!

November 2, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

omari1911 (anonymous) says...

I agree, okjhok. Invariably, the ABC games only air in the belt from Texas to North Dakota. Out here on the West Coast, we're stuck with a Pac 10 game on ABC. This means $25 to see KU play on Gameplan. Not nearly as good as being at the game, but at least half the money.

November 2, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

Now that we're getting national attention after the 2007 season, our dirty little "secret" is out: we go on a 3 or 4 game losing streak every mid-season, then have to get a "season-saving" victory, which usually helps to blind our fans to our annual underachievement. It's happened every year since 2003 with the exception of the Orange Bowl year.

November 2, 2009 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rcjh22 (anonymous) says...

Another ass whippin on ABC.

November 2, 2009 at 9:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rastameta (anonymous) says...

If it is on ABC, you can also watch it online on ESPN 360 for free. You don't have to pay for it if you live on the coasts.

November 3, 2009 at 1:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rastameta (anonymous) says...

HawkfromHays, you are correct...but must of our fans don't even admit this fact.

November 3, 2009 at 1:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mvjayhawk (anonymous) says...

admit what fact? annual underachievement? 3 bowl wins in 4 years, including a BCS bowl victory is annual underachievement?

you guys have seen no games....you couldn't have. this program cannot be judged vs. the elite schools in college football. You have to judge it in the context of what reality is....and what the past looked like. and the past my friends, was not pretty. (see 1986-88...and 2000-02).

November 3, 2009 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

FSUJHAWK (anonymous) says...

I know we don't have much control over TV scheduling and as much as I hate to say it the University should lobby for 11AM games. Aren't we undefeated at that time slot?

November 3, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

mvjayhawk,

It's true that the program is in better shape than it has been in the recent past but let's remember how (non)difficult it is to get into a bowl game these days when we talk about going to them 3 of the past 4 years.

Also, KU has shown a propensity for losing close games we ought to have won in the past 6 years against inferior teams and games we have played well enough to win against better teams (like last Sat.). These types of games are what separates our modest turnaround from KSU's turnaround to national prominence in the early 90s. We have lost them, they always won them.

I know that things are better, but ask yourself this: were you hoping for 7-5 last year? Were you hoping for likely 7-5 or 6-6 this year? The answer is no, you and everyone else expected more from these teams and should have gotten it. The same can be said of 04, 05, and 06.

November 3, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkman1031 (anonymous) says...

04 had unfortunate QB problems until Swanson was back from injury. Then, only Texas could beat us. I would love to have that dominant defense again. Killer Kansas.
This regime, even when it underachieves by its standards, is by far the best in Kansas history. We had great players and teams, but could not sustain it. We had teams that could barely win a game. This regime has more solid, tougher teams consistently. We even had guys go pro early! Remember, we could not beat KSU from 1993 through 2004? Something like that. Last year we killed them dead. They wept. We were good and they were not. We beat some good teams. We beat OSU and Va Tech in Orange Bowl year.... ah yes, the Orange Bowl. 76 on nebraska, winning bowl games, The Orange Bowl satisfied me for all time with this coach. I'm just a kid rooting for his team now. And that MU game last year! Shot through the heart, and we're to blame. We give tigers a bad pain, bad pain. ha ha

I said it, while a tv guy said nu was a play away from top 5 (shot him with an imaginary gun) and proved how really stupid he is, and I was saying nu is mediocre at best. They are the ultimate live in denial team still. Tech killed them. ISU beat them, and they have no dam offense. OU will crush them. Right now I don't know what KU will do... need to beat ksu upstarts

Nebraska must die.

November 3, 2009 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mvjayhawk (anonymous) says...

hawkfromhays,

first of all, we have WON 3 bowl games....nobody is talking about whether it's easy or tough to get into a bowl game. of course it's easier now...there's 25 plus bowl games each year! so we've beaten good teams in bowls.

do we think with 7 wins 10 years ago, we could have qualified for a bowl game? (CU was 7-4 in 1998...and made a bowl game......very few teams played 12 games back then.)

You, and KU fans like you, just have the wrong perspective. you listen and read the guys who say, "KU has to start beating these elite programs, or KU has to start squashing these inferior programs...." and on and on. well i got news for ya.....we're still building! it's not THERE yet. Good grief, no one realizes how hard it is to build a consistent winning big time college football program...you just have no clue.

if you want to look at k-state, let's look at 'em. 6 out of 7 years with 11 wins...for the first 8 years of the Big 12, they were the winningest school in the league. won a Big 12 title, and won the Fiesta Bowl.

Now look at 'em. one bowl appearance in the last 5 years! only one winning season, and multiple last place finishes in the North Division. do you honestly think they'll repeat that previous stretch? no way.

let's look at Nebraska. all those wins....300 plus sellouts....30 years of bowl appearances, winning seasons....went 90-9 from '94 to '03...3 national titles and on and on. Now? they can't beat Iowa St. at home? get crushed by TTech at home? give up a school record 76 points to little 'ol KU?

the 'ol boys network of college football is fading...and fading fast. anybody can struggle...and anybody can have a glorious season or two. the key is, to build something that will last....for years and years. and quite frankly, that's still happening at Kansas.

have you looked at our recruits the last couple of years? we've gotten some very good players....and our recruiting class this year looks very good. we're going to be fine.

is this season a disappointment? don't know yet....we'll see after the next two weekends. did i think we could go 9-3 this year? of course...but that doesn't automatically mean we under achieved. last year, MU was touted heavily here in KC to win the national title. did they underachieve? i don't know....10-4 ain't bad.

November 3, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

"of course it's easier now...there's 25 plus bowl games each year! so we've beaten good teams in bowls."

mvjayhawk, since you wrote those sentences, I assume you don't realize the inherent contradiction in them? Think about the complete lack of logic for a moment ...

And even aside from the contradiction, who cares if we win a bowl game against another medicore 5th-place finisher??? Other than Virginia Tech, none of the bowl wins has been particularly special.

I'm not going to be quite as negative as Hawk from Hays because I've been a fan for 35 years and seen plenty of horrendous seasons, but his point is still well taken: KU has lost a huge number of close games in recent years, especially if you throw out the one glorious Orange Bowl season.

The biggest problem, as I see it, is that although Mangino is a good coach in many ways (recruiting, player development, switching players to different positions or offense/defense, etc.), in one glaring way he is not: game decisions. He consistently makes not just horrible, but truly baffling decisions, whether it be to go for two with a 30-5 lead against TT (which KU ended up losing 31-30), to not call timeouts near the end of a tie game when the other team is about to score, or--in the most baffling of all--kicking off out of the end zone from the TT 40-yard-line. If Mangino could make even BASIC decisions correctly, KU could have won a number of those heartbreakers over the years and MM would be a great coach, not merely a good one.

November 3, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

BTW, I asked Joe Mortensen after the 31-30 debacle against TT why MM had gone for two, and he told me that none of the players had had the nerve to ask him.

I will give MM credit for one more good thing, though: he does seem to be excellent at movitating players to play their hardest on a consistent level (the recent game against OU notwithstanding).

November 3, 2009 at 4:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

mvjayhawk,

actorman made most of the points I would have responded with myself. The bowl wins are great, I played during the Allen years, and yes, any of us would have taken 6-6 or 7-5 with a bowl win. However, I just think it's worth examining why we have been stuck on this plateau for 6 years, and why we seem to drop so many winnable games.

Yes Mangino has a good thing going, and I think he's the right man for the job even if we do tank this season. But at some point (like now...after 6 years) you have to ask why we can't make it over the middle-of-the-conference-pack hump. The clear answer is the winnable games that we nearly always seem to come up on the losing end of. And yes, we as fans should expect the team to win these games.

I'm merely pointing out 2 disturbing trends during the past 6 years: 1) the propensity to lose close games against inferior teams that we should beat, and against better teams that we have played well against, and 2) the midseason swoon where we lose 3 or 4 games in a row, or as was the case last year, losing 4 of 5 before Mizzou. If we are ever going to be the team all of us want to be, these will have to stop, and six years is past due.

You rightly commend the program for the growth it has demonstrated in the Mangino era. Well, part of building a program means raising expectations. This year all of us expected us to win the North. There is still a chance of that happening but we have dug ourselves a huge hole. I can live with losing to OU and TT but the way we lost those games was unacceptable. And the CU loss was absolutely inexplicable.

November 3, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jhokfan (anonymous) says...

HawkfromHays,

You have a unique perspective but I’m not completely buying into your theory. Isn’t it a coaches job to put his team into a position to win, then it’s up to the players.

Granted there have been lots of disappointing losses during the Mangino era and I am not absolving him of all responsibility but I don’t think its fair to blame the coach for all of them. Just off the top of my head I can think of several instances in which player mistakes costs us the game. You can’t blame Mangino for the pass interference by Wilson against Colorado. Todd threw an interception last year against South Florida that ended the game. How about the pass interference by Gordon against Texas several years back and I know we’ve missed some field goals that hurt us. We lost several close games against Nebraska before we finally broke through but each game the margin of defeat grew smaller. This is a team that owned us for 36 years and in most seasons we lost by an average of 6 or 7 touchdowns.

And as much as I love the players we have, are we really in the same class as the rest of the B12. Historically, the rest of the conference with the exception of Iowa State and Baylor all have higher football profiles than us. Even if some of them have fallen off in recent years, I think attracting the best players to KU year after year is more difficult than most other B12 coaches have to contend with.

November 4, 2009 at 12:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

Will ABC have an extra camera in place panned solely on Bo Pellini's "Fastest Jaw in the West", compliments of Wrigley Gum?

November 5, 2009 at 5:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )