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Thursday, May 28, 2009

Report: Memphis accused

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The University of Memphis is responding to an NCAA notice of allegations accusing the men’s basketball program of major violations during the 2007-08 season under John Calipari, a newspaper reported Wednesday.

The allegations include “knowing fraudulence or misconduct” on an SAT exam by a player on that season’s team, which finished runner-up to Kansas in the NCAA Tournament, The Commercial Appeal reported on its Web site. Memphis, which received the notice Jan. 16, is scheduled to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions on June 6.

Comments

stravinsky 10 years, 8 months ago

OH snap. This board is about to go crazy.

jaygun 10 years, 8 months ago

What? No way! Who would have thought?

mojayhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

Can Worldwide Wes do SAT's too? Watch out Cats. Even Coach Cal can't hide it all.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 8 months ago

anyone surprised? will happen at uk as well. cheaters/memphis/uk can SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 8 months ago

nice one NH

But seriously, are his infractions going to follow him to UK? Now that he's at a major program is he going to get the USC treatment and never get punished?

TwinCitiesJHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

"Coach John Calipari has received a letter from the NCAA stating that he is not at risk of being charged with any NCAA violations in this case."

farnamjayhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

This probably made his decision to go to Kentucky that much easier. He knew what was coming down the pipe. I'm sure he did a good job of insulating himself from the infractions directly.....much like the Godfather did except without the same morals and ethics that the Godfather had.

Gil Ek 10 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure by now CAL is capable of covering his tracks. And why would you think it is uncommon for a uiversitiy educator to be driving a Chyrysler 300S either :-O

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

People are so fickle. I don't understand all the heated negative comments toward John Calipari. He does what he has to do to win, but this allegation doesn't prove anything towards his overall "Mafia Image" towards recruiting. Cut the guy some slack. I've never understood this from Jayhawk fans. He's somewhat of Jayhawk in his own right. Good Grief.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 8 months ago

At least he won't personally be held accountable and punished for any wrong-doing. Only the university that he was a representative for, the state that paid his salary and the city that considered him an ambassdor will feel the pain and be left with egg on their faces. But as long as Derick Rose is under contract to the Bulls and Calipari is under contract to Kentucky, hopefully they'll sleep well through this ordeal. Will the National Championship Game "runner-up banner" have to be taken down at the Fed Ex Forum?

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

This just in............

Bill Self knew about the cheating at Oak Cliff HIgh School Bill Self knew about the booster who paid Darnell Jackson Bill Self Knew that that hand shake with John Wall was improper Bill Self Knew exactly what he was doing when he hired Ronnie Chalmers

Come on People! College sports is a business, but don't turn your head and wrinkle your nose when an "Allegation" is brought up against someone you supposedly dislike. All it is............is an Allegation lIke the many that have been brought up against KU in recent years. Have a little more class than that. Let the NCAA rule on the incident and then you can make your classless comments about Calipari.

Chicago_JHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

When Calipari was at Memphis and began signing recruits that we wanted...even before heading to UK where it'll happen even more, a number of KU fans developed a bizarre inferiority complex that is completely ridiculous. Until his squad starts beating us on the court, we have no reason to pay any attention to him. I don't understand the vitriol - we should be better than this.

Dee Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

The latest prediction in Vegas on the over/under for Kentucky being put on probation is 6 years. By that time Calipari would leave Kentucky and head to the NBA for another chance. John Calipari, God Bless him but people. When I hear his name it makes me squirm. The guy will win and he will recruit. As a program is it worth it. It will be interesting to see how long it takes him to bring down Kentucky. My money is on the over. OUT.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 8 months ago

kushaw;

I'm sure most schools have bones in the closet. But check this out, if Memphis is vacated of their Final Four appearance and all wins that season, John Calipari has made the Final Four twice in his "hall-of-fame" (not my quote, Dick Vitale's) career, BOTH of which will have been vacated.

Some guys are shady, some guys are dirty, some guys skirt the rules here or there, and some guys have so many bones in that closet they are having trouble keeping the door shut. I wonder how heavy the vehicle is that Cal has to keep parked against the door to keep it closed.

He better win at Kentucky, or they fire him, they go on probation for his rules violations to come, and we have to put up with him on ESPN or FoxSports. Only the good die young, this sumbitch is going to be coaching till he is 145.

JayhawkPurist 10 years, 8 months ago

Will someone explain to me the reasoning behind not peanalizing a coach for infractions committed under his watch just because he's moved on to another program? Doesn't this encourage getting away with as much as you can, taking another job, and leaving your successor and previous employer to pick up the pieces? Am I missing something?

EnviroHawk7 10 years, 8 months ago

I finally came around to like Rose, but then I read about this 3 minutes later.

Jim Jackson 10 years, 8 months ago

KUshaw,

Point taken, but let's not forget Calipari has already had to forfeit a final 4 season in 1996 with Umass; and now he is screwing over another school. He is a dirtball and a crook. Sucks for Josh Pastner, best of luck to him.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 8 months ago

Not mentioned above but is part of the allegation, is that Memphis provided $2,260 in free travel to road games for an associate of a player .

Calipari may or may not be culpable. If he is, string him up by the short and curlies. If he is not, it points out how the NCAA unfairly expects coaches to be omniscient in what they do. Don't misundertand here, I expect accountability with these coaches and programs. But when these precious "student athletes" are subversive on their own then it may be time for the system to change.

Miles Brand is just never happy unless the sharp blade of the NCAA guillotine is in use.

Jaminrawk 10 years, 8 months ago

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Geez, first Tim Floyd now John Calipari? Who saw that coming? Oh yeah, everyone.

speedy 10 years, 8 months ago

What will it take for the NCAA to punish the coach!? J Tartainian? was coach at three schools. all three were under ncaa investigation. long beach, unlv, and fresno st. he was fired or run off too. yet he still is reverred in vegas. just win baby seems to be the way to go. well UK will learn what they have hired the hard way. they have already gone through a scandle over recruiting a few years back. get ready for this years. like a capt. on a ship the coach should be accountable and punished for anywrong doing by his watch. it seems you can be punished worse for drunk driving than for cheating on recruiting.
and yes some schools get away with more cheating than others. i cannot understand how you could stand up for JC when hes a known suspect. but then the people around St. Joseph , mis. think jesse james was a hero.

Joe Baker 10 years, 8 months ago

JayhawkPurist (anonymous) says... Doesn't this encourage getting away with as much as you can, taking another job, and leaving your successor and previous employer to pick up the pieces?

Yes. Precisely!!

If you're a coach and want to break the rules, fine. The NCAA should fine, penalize or place that coach on some kind of probation for their actions, regardless of staying at the program or leaving. Frankly, I don't think Memphis should be responsible sense he left. If they can't touch him, then drop it. Just post the violations, investigate and drop it. If nothing else, fans and programs can have that coach on notice.

kushaw- That is precisely why I'm ashamed of this guy. He was a former asst coach at KU. You're right, we should have a higher standard and attitude about this situation.

Rick Arnoldy 10 years, 8 months ago

  • We should care (which we do) or totally ignore the rules. You have to chase the smoke to see if there’s fire.

  • IIRC, the NCAA did try to ban Tark from coaching but he sued and it was eventually settled.

  • The head coach usually gets away because he never gets directly involved. With a wink he says “Gee, it’s too bad about that kid’s SAT score. It would be nice if SOMEONE were to help out.” and it mysteriously happens.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

Okay! I have to defend calipari a little! How many of you know exactly what happened to UMASS and Calipari back in 1996 despite what you've heard? You basically associate Calipari with the reason behind why Umass had to vacate their 1996 Final 4. Is that fair? Not really? Was it Calipari's fault that an NBA agent paid Marcus Camby $28,000 while he was still in school? I don't think anybody will really know the truth. The question to ask is "Did John Calipari know about the agent?" It's just like how I was being sarcastic with the questions above about Bill Self? Nobody will for sure know, but Jayhawk fans will defend Bill Self to their death. I think it's a brash to be this hard on Calipari for the Umass situation. Here is one of many articles that sums up the Umass situation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n23_v221/ai_19503011/

Memphis Allegation pdf file

http://media.commercialappeal.com/mca/content/static/20090527184759.pdf

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

I also think it's a little hard to put Calipari in the same category as Jerry Tarkanian. Here is some info about Tark. Seems to be quite a bit different than Calipari's case at Memphis and even back at UMass.

"Tarkanian had been under more or less constant scrutiny from the NCAA for most of his career (see below), but managed to weather the pressure until he signed Lloyd Daniels, a talented but troubled shooting guard from New York City. In 1987--just months before he was due to come to campus--Daniels was caught buying crack cocaine from an undercover policeman. While Tarkanian had been known for taking in troubled players, this was too much even for him, and he announced shortly afterward that Daniels would never play for UNLV. Not long after Daniels' arrest, it emerged he'd been led to UNLV by Richard Perry, a prominent gambler who had been convicted twice for sports bribery[1] and was suspected of ties to the Mafia.

Perry's involvement triggered yet another NCAA investigation, which ultimately resulted in the NCAA banning the Rebels from the 1991 NCAA Tournament only months after they won the title. However, the NCAA later agreed to a compromise which allowed UNLV to defend its title, but would see the Rebels banned from the 1992 tourney. Only a few months after UNLV's 1991 loss to Duke, three of Tarkanian's players were seen in a hot tub with Perry--some years after Tarkanian claimed he'd warned off his players for contact with him. School president Robert Maxson had seen enough, and forced Tarkanian to announce he would resign at the end of the 1991-92 season."

In this case Tarkanian probably knew about Perry, but did Calipari know about the NBA agent at UMass? Did Calipari know about the SAT stuff? I seriously think in this day and age with all the money that college football and college basketball generate not only for their schools, but the NCAA as well..........It is very difficult to keep "Outside Interests" and other intangibles away from your programs. Some coaches may know what's going on and others may not. Some may venture over to the red line closer than others, but that is what the NCAA has to decide. Am I fan of the NCAA? Not a chance in hell, but we have to allow them to go through the proper legal steps in order to find the proper decision or outcome.

100 10 years, 8 months ago

The NCAA is not blind either. You have to realize Rose not only cheated on the SAT and was paid cash by Cal's staff (whether for travel or otherwise), but this made Memphis a national power.

This caused Cal to get lots of attention. This caused recruits (like Evans, Cousins, Wall & almost X to follow).

Memphis will be hit big.

But Cal just leave town, bump his salary by 25 million and grab the ENTIRE recruiting class from Memphis that was his BECAUSE of players like Rose without being penalized?

The NCAA may be claiming he's not in jeapordy. That is true for now.

But the fallout has just begun -- even the NCAA knows what Cal has done is completely unethical (he used a paid Rose for a $25 million dollar payraise)

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

Other intersting stuff I found about Tark:

"Tarkanian spent most of his career as a Division I coach in a battle with the NCAA. After he left Long Beach State, its basketball program was slapped with probation for recruiting violations which occurred under his watch.

Just months before the 1976-77 season, the NCAA placed UNLV on two years' probation for "questionable practices." Although the alleged violations dated back to 1971--before Tarkanian became coach--the NCAA pressured UNLV into suspending Tarkanian as coach for two years. Tarkanian sued, claiming the suspension violated his right to due process. In September 1977, a Nevada judge issued an injunction which reinstated Tarkanian as coach. The case eventually made it all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States, which ruled in 1988 that while the NCAA had the right to discipline its member schools, but required that due process be followed--effectively upholding the original 1977 injunction.[2]

In the decade between the original suspension and the Supreme Court ruling, it was revealed that the NCAA's enforcement process was stacked heavily in the NCAA's favor--so heavily, in fact, that it created a perception that there was no due process. The enforcement staff was allowed to build cases on hearsay, and shared few of their findings with the targeted school. The resulting negative publicity led the NCAA to institute a clearer separation between the enforcement staff and the infractions committee, as well as a system for appeals. Also, hearsay evidence was no longer admissible in infractions cases.[3]

After being fired from the Spurs, Tarkanian sued the NCAA, claiming it had harassed him for over two decades. The harassment, Tarkanian claimed, started when he wrote a newspaper column alleging that the NCAA was more willing to punish less-prominent schools than big-name schools. Although the NCAA did not admit harassing Tarkanian, it settled out of court in 1998, paying him $2.5 million."

Max Ledom 10 years, 8 months ago

I believe its time to look in on Kentucky's latest recruiting class....

Joe Baker 10 years, 8 months ago

I believe X mentioned some kind of strange recruiting practices that were performed by Cali after he made his second and final decision to attend KU. Hmmmm...I hate to say, but I see too much smoke! You better run Cal !!

okjhok 10 years, 8 months ago

MILFdestroyer, Pastner is cut from exactly the same cloth that Calipari was cut from. I wouldn't be wishing him any luck, 'cause I guarantee you he isn't wishing you any luck.

quill_46 10 years, 8 months ago

kushaw,shut the hell up and quit defending a cheating SOB as far as im concerned your just like the cheating SOB . You make no sense and you sound rediculouse.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

BCRavenJHawkfan,

If Calipari didn't know about these things happening, then Memphis could be looking at "lack of institutional control" which can be a whole lot worse. It is the coaches and administrations job to keep watch on these sort of things to make sure they don't happen. And if they do, the Athletics Department should punish themselves -- much like KU did a few years back. The University is required to watch itself. If they don't, who will? The NCAA has the institutional control rule in place to punish those severely who cannot control their own program. This is how they punish "looking the other way."

JayhawkPurist,

"Will someone explain to me the reasoning behind not peanalizing a coach for infractions committed under his watch just because he's moved on to another program?"

You are absolutely right. Same thing goes for the athletes. If USC is actually punished for their "alleged" crimes, Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo will get off scott free as they choose to jump to the next level. Seems to me there should be some tax evasion charges or something along those lines for an athlete who accepts that kind of money. Only harsh punishments will stop athletes from breaking the rules. Otherwise, they will take the money and just walk away.

Just like Cal supposedly did.

quill_46 10 years, 8 months ago

coach Cal cheated at Umass and now Memphis and kentucky will be next. Looks lke cheating follows Cal wherever he goes.

quill_46 10 years, 8 months ago

coach Cal cheated at Umass and now Memphis and kentucky will be next. Looks like cheating follows him wherever he goes.

timecronk 10 years, 8 months ago

LAJayhawk5--I love how you always tell the University of Kentucky and other groups of people to "suck it!!"

kesmithstl1 10 years, 8 months ago

I agree too many rules and red tape to be aware of every violation. However, knowing a student athlete cheated on his SAT seems like an obvious violation Cal would have to know about. Too bad he feels he has to cheat to win.

100 10 years, 8 months ago

Quill_46,

Even though the NCAA is claiming Cal's situation is not in jeopardy, he will be the main participant in the hearing on June 6th.

The NCAA is as interested in all of this as we are.

Let's face it -- many of these current UK (were Memphis) recruits "want to play for Cal because look what he did for Rose in one year."

Well if that's the thinking, and that was UK's thinking (let's face it Memphis wouldn't have made the Final4 in 2008 without Rose), then if Calipari knew about any of this (especially the money getting paid to his family for "travel"), he also knew it was a contributing factor to getting Rose in the first place.

In simpleton terms, without this illegal deed by Calipari, grabbing Rose with promises of $$$ , Cal would still be making 2 million a year at Memphis with a decent (rule breaking but not caught) program.

So there's much more to what Cal has done (what does your gut & Memphis fans now say who are spilling his beans), but even with this infraction alone, it seems impossible to not immediately punish the Coach who did this (these) deeds.

Alas it has affected this years recruiting class (and where they went).

Also if someone is guilty, they typically leave. Cal seems to be making a mockery of the NCA, leaving after running the Memphis program into the ground, going conveniently to another school for 25 million more BECAUSE of having a guy like Rose as evidence for future recruits (by the way taking Memphis recruits with him to UK), and going to this Gillespie hating town to be celebrated, and where his current program suffers nothing for it & laughs at Memphis' misfortune?

Surely the NCAA after June 6th will have a few round table discussions about Calipari's hand in all of this (especially after all of the reports are compiled regarding what his in the know angry Tiger fans are now saying about how he used to run the Memphis program).

Joe Baker 10 years, 8 months ago

kesmithstl1 (anonymous) says... However, knowing a student athlete cheated on his SAT

Maybe I'm missing something, but coaches do not go to the test location with their recruits. Unless Cal arranged the "cheating" idea, Rose told him or something. I'm no Cal supporter, but he didn't have much to do with the cheating. There are other issues that need to be addressed. This is just one of many issues the NCAA needs to investigate. This is Rose's personal shame, but he's laughing all the way to the bank!! Yeah baby...I want to make millions and be a disgrace to myself, university, family, friends and teammates. I would be pissed if he were my teammate or part of my alumni. What's really alarming Rose can't be the only student athlete that has academic testing issues. Yikes!! This could set off a nasty witch hunt.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

Quill 46: Nice response! I can tell you know your stuff with that language I like to talk about facts and clearly the stuff I've posted above is all that I have to go on. Much like Darnell Jackson and D Arthur situation it sounds like to me Calipari was in the same boat at UMass. LOL! I like your clear speculation on things though. It shows you're quite knowledgeable.

Tyler Daniels 10 years, 8 months ago

I don't think he left because of this, i think it is because he left, that this was released! You know almost every single person on that campus is bitter at him. Perfect way to get back at him? Release all of his secrets. They aren't going to get in to that much trouble probably since none of this happened when Pastner was there. They are going to let out as many secrets about him as possible as pay back, i bet you money. But now you have to question, what did Calipari promise Wall and Cousins?

Ross Hartley 10 years, 8 months ago

KUSHAW The cases you cite are very much the exception in NCAA infraction history. In most cases head coaches are not (as is the case with Cal here) named and the hit falls on some bureaucrat or assistant. Also, the cases mentioned with Self are not infraction allegations of intentional fraud. In this case, a superstar athlete has not passed the SAT necessary for eligibility and then finally he does. I would tender a guess that someone at fault was receiving a huge amount of pressure from above to get this guy eligible. "Just do it!" Calipari will not be personally brought into this (most likely), but the institution will suffer just like UMass did.

Ervin O'Neal 10 years, 8 months ago

kushaw,

If I was to take a job at Memphis (a school with a very shady history of its own and a forfeiture of the 1985 Final Four appearance), I would certainly be the one to approve my department's payment for travel expenditures of a players associate. To go on and on about how these accusations are similar to the ones you listed for KU is ridiculous. If Bill Self said he traveled on the team plane but was anaware that a person traveling with Mario was not part of the team, then I would have to say he is at fault if for nothing else than not having control over his own organization. Maybe it wasn't the team plane, maybe it was for an official campus visit, it is still the same thing. There are a tremendous amount of responsibilities for a head coach. One very important one is making sure you have the proper procedures and staff in place to abide by all NCAA policies for your sport. Playing ignorant is no excuse for a head coach, especially one with decades of experience. The only reason why Calipari is not under investigation is the same reason why Presidents have a Chief of Staff, deniability. IMO, the NCAA should hold every head coach and Athletic Director responsible for the actions of his or her players and boosters under their watch. Calipari is a smart man and knows how to not be directly linked to allegations, but he gets what he wants at any cost. Indiana wanted to regain their winning ways so badly they were willing to overlook a lot of potential baggage with Sampson. They also lost a lot of respect from the rest of the world. UK is no different now. Feel free to finish your thesis about the character of Calipari. Most of us are better judges of character. That is why we defend people like Bill Self and not Calipari. That is also why 90%+ of the sports fans out there are not that surprised that allegations are now being investigated at Memphis. It wasn't a matter of if but when would the NCAA investigate his time at Memphis. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck.

Ervin O'Neal 10 years, 8 months ago

Jan 16th - NCAA informs Memphis of the major recruiting violation under investigation.

March 31 - Calipari bolts for UK

This week - Memphis AD R.C. Johnson says "we have been working on this for some time."

This week - former assistant coach and "New Memphis coach Josh Pastner said he wasn’t aware of the allegations when offered the job in April to replace Calipari."

Pastner must have learned deniability from the master. Could he really be that important of an assistant coach and have no knowledge of the on-going investigation? Doubt it.

100 10 years, 8 months ago

"This is definitely a duck"

--- John Calipari, Kentucky Basketball Coach (speaking at an NCAA investigation, June 6, 2009)

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 8 months ago

Calipari is just a younger version of Jim Harrick!!! He leaves programs in shambles upon his departure!!!

Does anyone remember Cal's comments (upon taking the UK job) about leaving the Memphis program in a better state??? How ironic!!!

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 8 months ago

BTW...where are all the 'Cats bloggers now??? Simply put, UK is getting a preview of its fate (for hiring Cal).

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

tetonhawk: Agreed! I agree with you. I know the shady side of college athletics, but I'm not ready to to just slam someone based on allegations. Calipari probably has done some shady things, like most college sport coaches, but I don't completely blame him for the UMASS situation unless there is more that is revealed or Calipari knowingly knew something about the agent. I agree with you.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

Stljayhawk: Wait a second! Before I start I agree with most of your post about holding the Coaches responsible, but coaches can't be held responsible for everything just like the Bill Self examples I used above. Now for the travel fees and expenses..........You are lumping in what the golf coach at memphis plus all those other allegations in with Calipari. I'm talking strictly about the SAT test and whatever that kid on the basketball team supposedly did because that is all that effects Calipari and the Memphis basketball program. The golf coach and golf program in itself will make look Memphis bad, but you're lumping all those allegations in with Calipari and the basketball program and that isn't fair.

By me lumping Bill Self (Which I was half joking above) in with the "Current" Calipari scenario is justified. Bill Self's incidences were all allegations at one point have been or still trying to be proven. Calipari's scenario just broke and nothing has been set in stone to what actually happened and with whom. Not one person has told me that Calipari was directly involved with the UMass final 4 forfeiture. I have to go back to this because people either didn't read the article or are just speculating because Calipari was the head coach and is directly associated with the basketball program. If John Calipari knew about the agent who gave Marcus Camby $28,000 while he was in school then Calipari is guilty as charged and probably deserves every criticism he is getting. However, from everything I read he wasn't involved or didn't know anything about the NBA agent. The NCAA with that kind of infraction was going to come down on the institutition no matter what an if Calipari was involved then the penalty would have been more severe.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 8 months ago

stljayhawk: I need to make one correction on the last post. Yeah, it looks somebody paid for some airfare. I missed that small section about the basketball team. I thought that was all the golf, but there was a portion about the basketball team. My bad on that. Can't tell who, but I guess we could always speculate. I understand what everybody is saying and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I don't think everything holds water. It will be interesting to see how much Calipari knows and how much the NCAA will be able to pull information from him. LOL!

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 8 months ago

I'm finding it hard to accept the reality of an NCAA student-athlete only playing one season and leaving for the NBA without enough time lapsed for any wrong-doings to be discovered that they can be held accountable for.

Universities have such huge exposure and liability in issues such as this. Is the financial benefit to the schools so great by winning post-season games that they would take such risks with "one-and-dones" that would leave them subject to sanctions, fines, etc. from the NCAA? I see the potential as completely counter-productive.

It usuallly comes down to a matter of who had the inside information on possible violations and what they do with that information. Athletic Directors are probably shielded from such matters until it blows up like in Memphis. Coaches would be the more probable people to have accurate knowledge of infractions committed by players and certainly those created by themselves. So, it would seem that the coach should always bear the brunt of any violations. In Calipari's case, if there are monetary ramifications for the university from the charges and ultimately the findings, even though it has been suggested that he won't be personally charged, he should man-up and split the costs with Rose and not allow the UofM to pay anything relative to fines.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 7 months ago

From reading the actual letter form the NCAA, it is fairly clear that Cal had to be aware of the improper benefits. It was not a case of a rogue assistant sneaking a player's buddy a plane ticket. The letter states that the person rode on chartered flights with the team and stayed at their hotels with them. There's no way Cal is unaware that some guy is on their chartered flight that is not on his staff. Of course the counter argument (I'll get to it before kushaw does) is that he could have simply put the guy on his staff Ronnie Chalmer-style and avoided the whole mess. Fact is that he didn't and it is a violation and he was clearly aware of it.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 7 months ago

Dude, your info about Tark vs. NCAA comes straight copied and pasted off of Wikipedia. There has to be better info than that available.

Check this site: http://supreme.justia.com/us/488/179/case.html

I don't see anything close to awarding him 2.5 million (which is a HELLUVA lot of 1988 money). I see attorney fees of just under 200k listed. I can see a line about 125k that is from his earnings, but nothing more, dig through see if you can find anything.

2.5 million in those days was a ton of money. And dude, wikipedia is terrible, for all we know Tark is sitting at his keyboard entering in his own biography as the greatest coach and towel eater ever. Actually, that wouldn't surprise me. Probably why Cal's wiki page is so glowing.

And Tark was a dead ringer for Elmer Fudd, I cannot take him serious.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 7 months ago

Actually, from reading that last article, nothing it says on wikipedia sounds even remotely accurate.

rcjh22 10 years, 7 months ago

kushaw just be like every normal KU fan and hate Calipari like you should. I know you are defending him but seriously, why? He is the enemy and you are defending him. Love your hawks and do like everyone else and dream of what could be one of the most exciting seasons of all time.

Ervin O'Neal 10 years, 7 months ago

Pretty good article on the situation. Makes it hard to believe that Calipari didn't know that Rose's brother/representative shouldn't be travelling multiple times on the team plane (especially given the responses from other NCAA coaches).

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4213475

Spencer Goff 10 years, 7 months ago

Actually, here is my real opinion on this:

Cal and UK could not be a greater marriage.

The alumni there are fully ready to sell their soul to return to winning. Cal is a guy that has, historically, had no problems about making any kind of concessions to sign a kid. The UK alumni just act like mafia in their behavior (my favorite is keeping Gillespie's contract in a drawer somewhere for two years, really, seriously... how the hell do you NOT walk across campus and sign a contract for over two years?), and Cal is buddies with Wesley, so they probably can just consolidate families, and be even more powerful.

Sort of like Godfather being married into the Soprano's.

Thing is, it will all go well if John wins. And I think he will. But should he falter, should it not go so well, the bullets will start flying.

For my entertainment purposes, and to force ESPN to truly cover something negative about this guy, I hope that it happens. I hope something to rival mega-drama reality TV happens down there.

I think it would be some of the greatest explosions and blood fights in all of sports history (at any level).

It's all I want for my birthday and Christmas, lets make this family feud happen.

100 10 years, 7 months ago

Part of how this June 6 hearing which really willprobe into the University of Memphis' intent at any wrongdoing is the essential "promise" that a family member will come along.

That in itself is a HUGE unfair advantage (Ted Owens couldve signed Michael Jordan if he couldve flown his Dad along for all games).

And it's the difference between getting somebody really good or signing a 3 star player. It's the difference between making the Final 4 & not. It's the difference between getting to the championship game & not.

Lastly it's the difference between pulling "other great" recruits in and not. Once Rose signs, it sure makes Tyreke Evans want to play at Memphis.

And it makes bigtime recruits like Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe want to play for him.

All of this because of travel money.

In short, if Calipari doesn't get somebody to pay the way for Rose's buddy/ family, Calipari never lands him, never gets to the championship game, never lands Tyreke Evans, never lands Cousins, or Wall or Bledsoe.

Also he would have never made an extra 25 million for himself off of an embarrassing story about an 18 year old.

That's why travel money matters. That's why the NCAA is beginning this investigation. It's not really about Memphis. This is about a coach who knowingly let bad things happen for his benefit ($25 million).

That stated: how in the world could a coach like this, who has stolen Memphis's Rose influenced players, NOT go on major probation?

He is the root of this entire story. It's Calipari-Gate..

Redlandsjhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

God I was hoping this story would make it to this board. Great reading everybody. Stravinsky you called it right!

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 7 months ago

Just wait...

I would bet a small fortune that we haven't heard the end of the saga.

By the way, what was Rose's SAT score? It would have taken somebody fairly intelligent to purposely get a score low enough that it would have been believable, while keeping the score within reason as to not raise suspicion if it was too high.

Now it seems that Rose's high school transcripts are being reported to have been altered following his graduation and then changed back at a later date. Wow, I see a book coming!

Joe Baker 10 years, 7 months ago

Kentucky: No allegations against Calipari Posted at 12:39 a.m. EDT – Eric Lindsey, UK Media Relations

Calipari will be in attendance, but according to UK, he appears to be in the clear, much to the delight of the UK fan base, which was sent in an anxious uproar Wednesday night upon learning the news.

Although Calipari released no further statements, he sent out a “tweet” to fans at 12:29 Thursday morning that appeared to be in response to his concerned fans.

"I appreciate your passion,” Calipari said in the tweet. “More importantly, I appreciate the faith you have in me. No one said this would be easy, but we will get there.”

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/blog/spec-rel/052809aaa.html


If I were the fans and university, I would be very concerned!! LOL LOL LOL

"...but we will get there." Where is there? He is a piece of work!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

krohnutz: I wasn't claiming that I wrote that stuff about Tark. If you would like for me to site a resource on everything I certainly can, but I figured since I put it in quotation marks that everybody thought It wasn't me who wrote that. Yes, I went straight to the encyclopeida for that information. It's better than just rambling things off of "Hear-Say" and forming an opinion that way. Enclyopedia is usually pretty accurate when it comes to stuff and I didn't feel like spending a whole lot of time on the topic. I got what I needed and moved on. LOL! Not one person has still told me about the Umass situation except, "Calipari is Cheat and his team vacated their Final 4." LOL!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

krohnutz: Good article on the New York Times.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

Okay, I have to clear some air because I keep getting accused of "Defending a Cheat". I'm defending Calipari to a degree. I"m not a fan nor am I a non-fan of John Calipari. I'm just kind of "Blah" about the guy, but you have to respect him a little, which I do. I will always stick up for the student-athlete first and foremost ahead of the coaches, instituitions, and the NCAA because I always think the student-athlete gets exploited the most (They are usually the youngest and the most naive and 85 percent of the time their parents don't truly understand the whole situation either). That is a whole other subject and we can venture into that category, but not at the moment.

I think it could be a toss-up between the Coach and the NCAA for which one takes advantage more. It's hard to say "Coach" because there are so many of them and the NCAA is one organization. There are a ton of coaches out there who are very "Borderline" and Calipari is definitely one of those coaches, but there are also a ton of other coaches who play it "Safe" do their job an don't catch the headlines others do. A good question to ask is whether or not how "Borderline" we view Bill Self? I would say because of the expectations of Kansas Basketball and the dollars Kansas Basketball generates for the university, he is more aggressive than other coaches, but not in the same class as Calipari. Self, however, has had some run-ins with the NCAA although they have been viewed "Minor Infractions".

I am not a fan of what Calipari did to Memphis or what he is doing to the 4 or 5 kids on the Kentucky roster. I belieive he was up to 17 or 18 scholarships and he has had 3 kids recently leave the program "To Pursue other interests or playing time." Self does the same thing, but not to the degree Calipari has done at Kentucky. This is where I begin to speculate, but I bet those kids who are leaving Kentucky thought they would be in a Kentucky uniform for 4 years. I just think that is the raw deal of college athletics. Kids are pretty naive when it comes to the parameters of the scholarship and what it exactly entails. In these kind of situations in my honest opinion kids are "Forced" out of the program. When these kids are forced out of the program they have to make a huge decision, bigger than one they had coming out of High School on which direction they want to go. If they choose to go to another Division I school they have to sit out a year. I don't know if that is exactly fair, but I understand why the NCAA has the rule. I just feel really bad for those 4 or 5 Kentucky players as well as Q and Appleton. It's a fine line to reach the pinnacle and have consistent success. Someone is always to be the sacrificial lamb in order reach the success and generate the dollars that is acceptable for public opinion.

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Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

I guess that is where I get a little frustrated with college athletics and college coaches and I hate what Calipari did to Memphis (By Leaving, taking the recruits to Kentucky, and leaving the program in worse shape) and what he's doing to the existing roster at Kentucky. I also have to defend him a little even though I do think he's shady and his past has been beaten on badly. My question I always want to know is "Did the coach know about the situation and did have intent?". I am sure Calipari had intent about the plane ticket, but we know nothing about the SAT and that athletes scores. Who took the test for the athlete? Who was the coordinator at the SAT location where this mystery person took the test? The NCAA cleared this athlete to play at Memphis? Did Calipari knowingly know about the SAT incident? I don't know, but I would like more answers before I start slandering the guy. I don't think any of us will know for sure whether or not Calipari knew about the $28,000 the NBA agent gave Marcus Camby. Apparently he didn't and that is what I have to go off of. Maybe that situation with Camby was like the booster who housed an gave Darnell Jackson money. Self didn't know about that so that is what I have to go off of. I guess we will see how this all plays out for Calipari.

Joe Baker 10 years, 7 months ago

kushaw...You're entitled to your points and position. You're just trying to be clear, fair and factual. It's all good!!

Rock Chalk

100 10 years, 7 months ago

Of course he knew about the situation and had intent. However the NCAA might not be able to prove anything on him, at least not initially. This could drag on for quite sometime, months if not years.

It really depends how many old friends are willing to tell on him. It also depends on how much of that 31 million has gone to pay off old friends.

Take a look back at some of his interviews during that dream season (38 wins).

Look at me with a straight face and tell me he's not a dead ringer for "TheGodfather"?

Now rewind it and watch it again. Tell me he's not hiding something.

Which begs the question: What did the Godfather really know?(I'm sure the NCAA will be studying these interviews, frame by frame)

LAJayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

kushawk,

I respect your stance and the fact that you are voicing a fair position regarding the allegations. I also appreciate the discussion you have brought to the table by not just blindly following the KU crowd.

Couple of thoughts regarding your last few posts:

"Self, however, has had some run-ins with the NCAA although they have been viewed 'Minor Infractions.'"

You are accurate in this description, and I understand the comparison of a "borderline" and "safe" coach. This quote, though, brings a separate thought to mind.

I often hear the comment that "all winning coaches cheat," or even that "all college programs cheat." I tend to look at it from a different angle. There are so many rules regarding recruitment and interaction with potential and current athletes, it is nearly impossible to follow all of them perfectly -- this is why most schools have a committee dedicated entirely to monitoring and reporting violations of the rules as well as educating coaches, students and fans on the correct conduct. With all of these potential violations, over time everybody breaks the rules.

Now it seems easy to say that all winning coaches cheat, as eventually some "minor infraction" occurs. However, there is another way to look at it. If a coach loses, he will, undoubtedly, lose his job. Where as if a coach wins, especially at the very superior level of 80% like Roy Williams and Bill Self, he will keep his job, more than likely for many years. The longer he is a working head coach, the more chances there are for a "minor infraction" to occur. Therefore, the more a coach wins, the higher the probability that a rule, somewhere, will be broken. There certainly is a correlation between winning and rule infractions, but the two aren't necessarily direct or causal. To wit: as ice cream sales increase, so does murder. One, however, is not to assume that ice cream drives people to kill; rather a separate variable related to both must exist (in this case summer -- more murders occur when it is hot).

To sum, the more one wins, the longer one coaches. The longer one coaches, the more chances one has to break a rule. Thus, the reason why a coach seemingly as straight arrowed and safe as Roy Williams has even had rules violations discovered under his watch. In the end, rules are going to be broken.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

This is what makes it more difficult, however, to determine the difference between what you called a "borderline coach" and a "safe coach." In this case, it seems that sports fans tend to define it as one might define pornography: "I know it when I see it." Thus, the assumption of guilt toward Mr. Calipari. There is, of course, a certain level of homerism to us all with regards to Self, but it seems fairly clear to most of us -- one can surmise -- that the violations that have occurred under Coach Self's watch seem relatively benign and accidental. Now, this could be because Self is very good at hiding his true "skeletons," but it seems to me that most of us can sense the honest and trustworthy nature of a guy like Bill Self and Roy Williams, at least relative to the sharks of college athletics.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

One other thing, kushaw,

It is quite clear that you were quoting information from somewhere in your previous posts (by using quotation marks and by the general form in which you presented it), and, no, there is absolutely no need to site your source on a comment board. That is just silly. Sometimes it helps to toss in a link or explain where you read it, but it's certainly not necessary in a venue like this.

I would, however, like to point out that wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, and it really shouldn't be confused as one. Certainly there are some very accurate and informative pages in there, and the website managers work everyday (from what we're told) to verify the information that has been input (and when a post has not been verified by a secondary source, they try to make that abundantly clear on the page). The content, though, is still user submitted and does contain some inaccurate information. In many cases the info is simply "hear-say" and in others just flat out incorrect by those wishing to misinform and just test the waters, so to speak.

There have been several examples of this, but most recently a sociology student in the UK decided to run an experiment. After a famous composer died (I apologize as I cannot remember his name), this student inputted a quote that he -- the student -- completely made up about how this composer wanted to be remembered for his music. Within hours, this quote appeared in newspapers and news stories world wide. The student explained that it was just a hoax, but some papers didn't even print a retraction.

This of course brings up a number of concerns -- not the least of which is the fact that news reporters are using wikipedia to write their stories -- but in the "disinformation age" we all must question what it is we hear or read. And when it comes to wikipedia, it is a great jumping off point for gathering information, but not one that can be trusted to a great degree.

Sorry if this seemed like a lecture. It wasn't intended to be.

Rock Chalk.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

LaJayhawk: Very interesting on the enclopedia/wikipedia composer stuff. You also brought up a gret point about coaches especially Roy Williams and Bill Self. You said that the more coaches win the more likely they are to cheat. That is probably true, but I also agree that is why there is a committee strictly for NCAA compliance. For a guy like Calipari, who has had many destinations, he has that stigma of trying to earn the "Quick Buck". Nothing wrong with that except that one of his former stops (UMass) had NCAA problems and had to basically erase their dream season. I do no not for sure if Calipari was involved or not, but it seems like he wasn't (Even though many will assume and point fingers that he was). Many people who don't know the exact details will say just because he was the head coach he was the direct cause of UMass going on probation and forfeiting wins and a Final 4. That isn't necesarily true. Just like you said, LaJayhawk, there are a lot parameters that go on with these infractions it's hard to tell who did what. Many people think that a coach knows exactly what is going on in his program, but I don't think that is necesarily true either. I mean, TV Tony who was flunking TV in the movie blue chips, Nick Nolte (Can't remember the movie coach name) didn't even know TV Tony was shaving points. That may be a very poor example, but I still think coaches control a majority of what's going on in their program, but there will always be leaks an surprises that they don't know.

100 10 years, 7 months ago

wow it just got a bunch worse for Calipari. According to ESPN's fresh article the unnamed free traveler & free hotel guy on road trips was Reggie Rose, aka "the Golden Ticket", Derrick's older brother who helped Calipari to recruit Derrick to Memphis.

This very easily could turn into the Kelvin Sampson story if the NCAA changes direction with this investigation (again Calipari, Godfather, using illegal 18 year old via his older brother's influence, to increase own pay by $25 million).

This is no small offense.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

kushaw,

Agree with all of your post.

One quick correction, though:

"You said that the more coaches win the more likely they are to cheat."

It may just be semantics, but I wouldn't use the word cheating. I would say they are more likely to "break the rules." I say that because I think there's a fundamental difference between breaking the rules (i.e. saying "hi" to a recruit during a time of no contact) and cheating (paying a guy that delivered a player, ala Tim Floyd). The more time a coach has being a coach, the more chances there are that he will break a rule, a term which implies an unintentional act as opposed to cheating which insinuates premeditation and the desire to perform an unscrupulous act in order to win. But perhaps I'm being to hypercritical of your statement. If so, I apologize.

By the way, if you or anyone else is interested in that wikipedia hoax story, here's a link:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0506/1224245992919.html

It was a French composer named Maurice Jarre and a Dublin student named Shane Fitzgerald (how Irish is that name?!?!), and it happened about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

My spelling is just terr-i-bull (I love it when Barkley says that).

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

LA Jayhawk: I agree, "Breaking the Rules" is a better term because I do believe there is a fundamental difference. Now we're getting into the details which is exactly why I'm giving Calipari a little bit of a break until he is proven guilty even though I'm not very fond of the guy. If you keep posting like this you might just come over to my side. LOL!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 7 months ago

La Jayhawk: Great story about the composer. Good read and good stuff. I guess I better watchout what I read. LOL! On another note................I am coming out to LA 100 percent for the UCLA/KU game December 6th. I need some recommendations for my stay in LA (Clubs, Bars, Restaurants, etc.)

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