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Sunday, June 7, 2009

KU football lands two commitments

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The Kansas University football team's 2010 commitment list grew by two this week with the addition of three-star prospects Geneo Grissom and Jacoby Walker.

Grissom, a 6-foot-4, 230-pound defensive end from Hutchinson, selected the Jayhawks over Colorado State, while Walker, a 6-foot-2, 210-pound dual-threat quarterback out of Texas' Westfield High, also garnered offers from Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Syracuse.

"Before the (KU) Spring Game, Todd Reesing, Kerry Meier, and Darrell Stuckey talked about the Kansas program," Walker told the Web site. "They talked about how sometimes Kansas didn't land the five-star recruits but how their program has turned around and they are winning. It seemed like a big family and they talked about how everybody comes to Kansas to win. I wanted to be a part of that."

The pair joins previous commitments Dave Clark (cornerback, Independence), Jeremiah Edwards (defensive tackle, Garland, Texas) and Ricki Herod Jr. (wide receiver, Mesquite, Texas).

Comments

Eurekahwk 10 years, 12 months ago

"They talked about how sometimes Kansas didn't land the five-star recruits but how their program has turned around and they are winning."

Isn't that cute! We NEVER get the five star recruits. I'm sorry, I'm only 28. I wouldn't know about Kansas football's complete history. Have we ever had a five star recruit?

When we get one, write an article about that. Because that is when we will actually become a contender for national championships in football.

That is what makes Mangino a great coach. We won 12 games and shocked the world by beating powerhouse VT, and we didn't have the kind of talent they did.

Imagine what we will do if those 5 star studs wise up and get tired of riding benches with the big boys. So you get to wear Texas, OU, USC across your chest. So what? They kill your chance at a pro career by never playing you. Mack Brown and Stoops undercoach their players.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 12 months ago

It is great what Mangino and staff have done with 2 & 3 star recruits. Yes, we have had a few 4-star recruits, but they have never done anything for KU - before this year!

That being said, the schools you listed above sometimes put as many players into the league per year as we have in total. That's history though, and we're looking forward and pressing on!

Mangino is recognized as a master evaluator, and obviously has had tremendous success (both for the team and the individual) at tinkering with positions. I'm excited to see how Tanner and Angus do this year, and hoping for break out performances by these two and others.

Rock Chalk

John Brown 10 years, 12 months ago

Mangino is a terrific evaluator of heart. There is no follow up on these ratings to report the number of 5 star recruits that flop. However, how many 3 stars prove the evaluators wrong, like Talib, who go 1st round of the draft. It is hard to make this a science because once the 3 stars get good coaching, get in a good gym, and works off the chip on the shoulder they excel. I think that Mangino has such a good program that these kids play together to become a force like the ancient Greek army. Nobody is looking to the 5 star but rather they are looking to each other equally.

rockchalks7 10 years, 12 months ago

talib was just a 2 star... just adding on to how great mangino is. He wasn't even ranked until he committed and then was given the lowest ranking a recruit can receive.

Jaminrawk 10 years, 12 months ago

"Stars" are a bit misleading in football. Would you rather have Todd Reesing or Jimmy Clausen as your QB? I'd take Reesing every day of the week.

Annette Lee 10 years, 12 months ago

I remember HCMM saying that in the first years here he brought in some kids with questionable character. That caused some problems so he investigates them now. Well maybe some 4 and 5 stars will not pass the character exam..

waywardJay 10 years, 12 months ago

let's go back a year shall we.... in which game was todd reesing vastly overplayed by a 5 star guy......

Our defense lost oklahoma for us...... IN OKLAHOMA..... Texas tech..... well you can argue Harrell out played him.... and until our defense gave way against Texas we were in that game too....

There's no question that MM has the "gut" instincts and ability to read high school kids straight up ( Think about how hard THAT must be for just a second and then realize he's had a minor few blemishes....That's It..... )

This year we get oklahoma on our turf.... with a hopefully more stout defense.... and Reesing gets "home" games in the State of Texas...... a chance to prove those elites wrong on THEIR turf..... I take a reesing any day of the week.... and yes TWICE ON SUNDAY......

jayhawker85 10 years, 12 months ago

Everyone always gets carried away with the stars a recruit has. Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing, Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy were all three-star recruits.

Then guys like Rhet Bomar and Jimmy Clausen were your five-star recruits.

When Bill Callahan was at Nebraska he recruited five-star guys and couldn't get it done.

Rick Arnoldy 10 years, 12 months ago

Football has to be on of the hardest sports in which to recruit. You can't recruit the numbers like you can in basketball. You can measure size and speed but those will change as their bodies mature (which they will still do post-HS) and many positions just don't lend themselves to stats. Mangino seems to have the knack for finding guys who have the WANT to get better.

djgratt59 10 years, 12 months ago

Notre Dame has recruited 6-star athletes for the past 2-3 seasons (under what's his name) and I'm still waiting..

Eurekahwk 10 years, 12 months ago

Yes, but OU and Texas don't beat you because they are fundamentally better or even better coached. Their talent beats you. You don't need a 5 star QB, you don't need 5 star DBs, LBs, or linemen, you just need the 5 star WRs to catch balls from a fundamentally sound 3 star QB. Or even a walk on QB. But you get the 5 star WRs. They are the game changers. So let's get some five star WRs with the 4.3 speed, and then you will begin to understand the difference.

Mike Young 10 years, 12 months ago

It's like the MLB or NBA draft, Sometimes you get a nut sometimes you don't!

Mike Young 10 years, 12 months ago

It's like the MLB or NBA draft. Sometimes you get a nut sometimes you don't!

Milhouse 10 years, 12 months ago

Now while I am happy we got Walker, have seen him live a couple times at his high school, does this mean possibly the best QB prospect out there will no longer be looking at KU, in Blake Bell?

bjacks18 10 years, 12 months ago

Blake Bell commited to Oklahoma already. We got plenty of good talent at QB already for the future. Kale Pick, Jordan Webb, Christian Mathews, and now Jacoby. Maybe Jacoby can move out to WR?

justanotherfan 10 years, 12 months ago

Milhouse,

Blake Bell already said he's going to Notre Dame I think. I don't think he can sign until the fall, but I think he already verballed.

Stars are not sure things in football, where a good system can cover up a lack of talent, or vice versa. But stars tell you about a players readiness. Very few one or two star players are at a level where they can help a team in their first or even second year in the program. They may eventually develop into a player, but if they don't develop, they are just a roster player. Three stars probably won't come in and help immediately, but by their second year they should be contributing. Even if they don't develop you have a solid backup. Four and five star players are generally expected to come in and either start or contribute immediately. Even if they don't develop, you probably have at least a platoon starter, maybe even a long term starter.

Wayward, you blame our defense for losing to OU. They gave up a lot of points to an offense loaded with four and five star prospects. Our three star corners and linebackers couldn't stay with OU's four and five star WRs and RBs.

I have no problem with us signing some three star prospects. It's the two stars that scare me most, because these are the kids that, if they don't have a huge leap in development, will never contribute on Saturdays. Check out some recent two star signees

2005 - Russell Brorsen, Paul Como, Alex Hanson, James Holt, Bobby Johnson, Jake Schermer, Johnathan Throneberry, Darius Warner, Jeff Wheeler, Arist Wright 2006 - Xavier Rambo, Blake Bueltel, Sal Capra, Dakota Lewis, Tyler Lawrence, John Marshall, Jeremy Terry, John White 2007 - Isiah Barfield, Chris Harris, Stephen Hoge, Jake Laptad, Brian Murphy, Jeff Spikes, AJ Steward, Johnathan Wilson

Out of those guys, so far only Brorsen, Holt, Wheeler, Laptad and Spikes have seen regular action the last couple of years. Wilson had one big game last year. Bueltel is no longer with the team. Harris lost his starting spot after a strong first year once he didn't have Talib on the other side. It should be noted that our defensive line, which was (rightfully) criticized much of last year has three of the five guys that have seen regular action. Also, Holt was a 2 star DB. The move from DB to LB probably saved his college career. I wonder how he would have rated had he been an LB in high school instead. Tyler Lawrence is the reason Kerry Meier was still our backup QB the last two years, even though Meier was playing WR.

That's your classic two star recruits. Some huge hits (Talib, Holt). Some okay rotation guys (Brorsen, Laptad, Spikes, Wheeler). Some career backups (Lawrence, Wilson, Steward). And the rest are roster players. If you look at four star recruits, you see an almost complete flip. Many more hits and rotation guys. Far fewer career backups and roster players.

Chad Dexter 10 years, 12 months ago

justanotherfan, I don't think you're giving Wilson enough credit. He was a big contributor last year. I think he will be even better this year. Otherwise, nice breakdown.

JJHawq 10 years, 12 months ago

Football is so tough to evaluate in high school.

How do you project which 6/4 210 kid is going to be good when he's 6/4 235...

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 12 months ago

Blake Bell committed to OU a couple of months ago.

it's all about development. the two and three star guys, are a little smaller, or a little slower than the four or five star guys. it's also about who's recruiting them.

if OU, UT and Ohio St. are recruiting a guy.....his stock goes up. but if it's KU, Arizona and TCU...he's rated lower. it's a lot about politics man, politics.

i like getting the Hutch kid...he's a winner..and a Kansas kid. he'll be a good one.

KGphoto 10 years, 12 months ago

justanother: I think Laptad is better than an okay rotation guy. He was Big 12 honorable mention as a sophomore. And he had his best games in big games.

With Sims as the D-line coach, and a year under his belt, I bet he breaks out this year.

Tyler Daniels 10 years, 12 months ago

I know Geneo Grissom. His little brother is a friend of mine. He went to one of our basketball games last December. He is a real big guy, and he is nice. He is going to be a great addition to the team. I'm glad he chose KU.

eastTXjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

you heard it here...expect a WR from Longview TX to be announced soon...

Annette Lee 10 years, 12 months ago

I think J Wilson is going to be a big time wr this fall. I've watched his TD in the bowl game and him making the catch first and then pushing backwards to make sure he scores showed his focus...

Dr. Robert s. Mosser 10 years, 12 months ago

ERUREKAHWK--Yes you are young. Gale Sayers and John Riggins come to mind immediately at 5+ Star recruits. Too bad you never got to see them play. Possibly you have heard of them. Both in the NFL Hall of Fame and high picks in the draft the year they came out.

Gary Denning 10 years, 11 months ago

Kirwin Bell and Frank Seuer were 5 star recruits. I think KC Brown was as well.

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