Saturday, July 11, 2009

KU guard Buford arrested Saturday for OUI


Kansas University basketball player Chase Buford was arrested early Saturday on charges of operating a vehicle under the influence.

Buford, a 20-year-old from San Antonio, Texas, was arrested in the 700 block of New Hampshire at 12:43 a.m.

According to the Douglas County Jail booking log, Buford was released Saturday after paying $500 bond.

The 6-foot-3 junior-to-be played 11 games last season for the Jayhawks.


Nutflush21 10 years, 9 months ago

Thats too bad. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

yovoy 10 years, 9 months ago

WHOA! what if he were a higher-profile player/athlete?! what if he were more "athletic" or more to the point more "urban"? surely the outcry of "thuggishness" would ring all over this board.

haven't seen that yet...

i guess the times, they are a-changin'. not really, double-standards will always be double standards.

wait for it......

jayhawkliz 10 years, 9 months ago

I do hope he learned his lesson, but I think Self is going to eat his bootie!

TwistedFish31 10 years, 9 months ago

yovoy - go back to the mizzou boards tigerboy.

jayhawkr34 10 years, 9 months ago

yovoy, why must idiots like you always goto the "double-standard" card? Why don't you just say what you really mean, and bring race in to it to make yourself feel better.

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 9 months ago

There should be a 3 strikes rule for posters like yovoy. Three moronic comments and your booted from the boards. I believe he has one more.

Doug Merrill 10 years, 9 months ago

I missed the part where driving drunk became 'thuggish', no matter how many minutes you play. As others have said, it is really bad judgment and he is lucky he didn't kill anybody (including himself)...and hopefully it will really wake him up and he'll never binge drink again.

jayhawkboogeyman 10 years, 9 months ago

Agreed dougmd. No thug would lower himself to a white trash redneck activity like driving drunk that is more something my dad and his hillbilly buddies do. Lighthearted racist comments aside, this is really dumb of him and hopefully he learns his lesson but he sure will after self talks to him and lets be glad no one was hurt.

Scott Bonnet 10 years, 9 months ago

It's not "bad judgement," it's criminal. I consider it attempted manslaughter. I hope he loses his driving privilege for a very long time.

FlaHawk 10 years, 9 months ago

This is a criminal offense and the court of law will determine the punishment for his disregard of the law.

Live and learn!

Welcome to the real world of rules and consequences!

sdoyel 10 years, 9 months ago

Well, we made it to mid-July this year!

Over/under on next off-season???

jman18562 10 years, 9 months ago

Geez, settle down there RickSuttle. What I understand from this story is it was a vehicle.... not necessary a car he was driving. He could have been riding a damn bike for all we know.

hayshawk2123 10 years, 9 months ago

Nothings going to happen to Chase. He's a walk-on, who comes in when the Hawks are up 40. The reason he's on the team is because his dad is General Manager of the San Antonio Spurs (makes dough). I don't think they'll be much Self will do to the kid. He'll most likely lose his license for a year, due to the Law, not what Coach Self does.

suttonku 10 years, 9 months ago

I disagree the fact that he is a walk on hurts him in this situation because he is easier to replace...I think he will be kicked off the team because Self has to make an example out of someone and this is the perfect player to make an example out of...hes an easy guy to replace because im sure there are a lot of kids on campus that are good enough to walk on this team...if Self doesnt do anything then hes showing that he wont do anything if say Aldrich were to do this very same thing...You gotta get rid of him, it sucks but hes got to go...bottom line if Self doesnt do anything then hes saying its ok for this behavior to continue...gotta have some kind of deterrence here.

philipolson 10 years, 9 months ago

go easy. just a young man making a young mistake. great lesson learned. best of luck in the future. he's a good lad in our great program..........

irish2255 10 years, 9 months ago

At least he didn't have unprescribed painkillers in his car that his friend happen to leave.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Some people can start a fight in an empty room.

As for Buford, it's too bad that he made a mistake. I don't think he should be kicked off the team, as it certainly has not been the policy before now to kick people off after a single transgression. Let the kid learn his lesson and pay his debt to society. If he continues to screw up, the situation will be different.

The rules should be the same for everybody, regardless of your lineage or athletic ability.

MrPilot 10 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't Buford's father, RC, the best man at Coach Self's wedding? I highly doubt Chase will be kicked off the team.

He'll release a statement that he exercised very bad judgment and he's very sorry for his actions. Apologizing to both the fans and the university who he has let down.

Coach will release a statement that he's disappointed in Chase and that he will have to take responsibility for his actions.

Chase will plead guilty and, for having no prior record, receive a fine and maybe a suspended sentence, and probably lose his driver's license for awhile.

Then, except for a mention by Clark Kellogg or Fran Fraschilla before the first game on ESPN, all will be forgotten by the time the season starts. And we can all get on with our lives.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago


This site has an interesting little habit of .... not liking it when people say that the applecart isn't perfect....

Your right, there is ALOT of people who are quick to call someone a primadonna, or say .... throw someone under the bus for shooting a bbgun at a woman......

And yet quick to dismiss an OUI... which is potentially more deadly than the other two combined..... You make a solid point.... his athletcism should never be a factor, and I don;'t think Bill Self will treat this same way..... he's on the team for a reason ( is his dad a big time donor ???? )

i expect he will be running extra and will have additional penalties not on the practice floor...... perhaps community service.... as well as the ticket which im sure is NASTY.... ( in Wisconsin the tickets START at 500 .... and unless daddy pays for it.... it will not be easy to come by thaat sort of money when your young and not allowed to have a job by the NCAA....

Thank you for stating a not so popular topic, people's hypocracy is never a soft subject.... and i thought you dealt with it wonderfully

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

If there is a bone to pick, it's with someone who suggests on a FREE message board that a person should be silenced if he says THREE things that are stupid.....

stupid.... read as impopular, errant or generally dislikable....

Last i thought, this was a Country that allowed freedom of Speech.... Boulder..... He's not saying anythign untrue..... There were alot of people out for blood after Morris was an idiot last year.... he atoned..... he suffered the consequences, but so far the reaction to Operating a vehicle, Underage under the influence ( they did not post BAL, so we must assume that he was over.08 the legal limit.... though .01 would be illegal for someone underage..... ) has been pretty tepid.....

This could be a far more severe thing..... Imagine just for a second he was over the legal limit of .08 and wrecked into another vehicle..... and say ... Injured or killed someone.....

Research Jamar Smith, Former University of Illinois Basketball player, and you can see how this story could take a different twist all together..... I recall the posters of the U of I boards being ruthless about Jamar.....

But we know nothing of the details..... aside from what they tells us..... And I am of the opinion, we shoudl treat an Underage player driving a vehicle under the influence of alcohol pretty seriously..... more seriously than say a bb gun or a weight problem, or a parking ticket ( didn't brandon have a warrant because of parking tickets and didn't alot of fans get pissed about that )

KU2010CHAMPS 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow to all the people on here that say we are being to harsh on this young man I have one thing to say to you, have you ever lost a loved one because of drunk driving. There is a difference between making mistakes and making big mistakes this is a huge mistake. The problem is so many people on this site and in our government have driven drunk so they think to themselves go easy on the kid or another person because they themselves did it they rationalize in there own mind. The judicial system is screwed up. When you get a guy like Donte Stallworth who drives drunk kills someone and gets 30 days in jail not prison, jail. Then there is Mike Vick who kills a dog and it's 3 years in prison where is the justice in that. You know what I think the judge of these people who lets them off easy on Drunk driving cases have probably driven drunk themselves so again they rationalize and say wow that could have been me and let these punks off the hook. It is absolutly disgusting in my mind.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

exactly..... Ku 2010's got it right.... anytime you do this.... you take the risk of other's lives.....

but in fairness, Ku2010.... we don't know what he tested.... he could have been .01.... so we gotta keep an open minded about this..... as he is under 21 ANY Alcohol in his system... and he is breaking the law.....

Aaron Carpenter 10 years, 9 months ago

It is clear that yovoy is a mizzery fan, but what is funny is his referance to "thuggery.". Have we all not had to travel through Columbia at some time? Am I the only person who thinks Columbia is a ghetto version of the town in deliverance. Yovoy, stop being a "ratard."

mrsmomom 10 years, 9 months ago

Kansas has a diversion law for first time offenders, doesn't it?

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 9 months ago

suttonku- "if Self doesnt do anything then hes saying its ok for this behavior to continue...gotta have some kind of deterrence here."

I was not aware that the basketball team had an ongoing problem, the kid made a mistake just like thousands of college students do each year. Lets just be thankful that this mistake did not cost anyone their life and that it is a learning experience instead of a tragedy. Maybe all Universities in the U.S. should start kicking kids out of school for getting DUI's? Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

acs...actually.... it's pretty clear he's a Jayhawk fan..... and he knows athing or too about basketball.... i've bumped into the name before...and never said anything but glowing things abotu the hawks..... ( he or she )

There is a time for criticism, and this is one. not just of the kids actions.... but of the actions of some of the fans....

mjlindsm 10 years, 9 months ago

Great point KU2010Champs. That mess with Vick and Stallworth really pisses me off. People get more angry and are given harsher sentences for killing a dog than killing a person?! What the hell is the matter with this judicial system? How the hell is Stallworth already free?! How is Vick not?!

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 9 months ago

I think he should be punished by:

Having to guard all of the starting guards in every practice

Not being allowed to play except when there is a 40-50 point lead in the last two minutes of the game and not being able to play in the conf. tournament and beyond.

Not letting him leave for the NBA before he graduates.

Oh yeah........sorry, my bad!

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Case in point of HOW RIGHT YOVOY IS......

memhawk (anonymous) says... Does anybody here know which games Xavier was invited to/played in like these games? There are all kinds of invitation only series on an international and national level. I'm just wondering how he fared? Or, did he turn them down and/or change his mind at the last minute? I'm just saying, maybe Tyshawn should become Xavier's mentor. After all, he got the flu, missed a couple of games and still bounced back to be named one of the All Star Five for the tournament. Oh yeah, Xavier had to go to the dentist!

I got this from the gold medal piece.....

Yet, Buford's punishment for the crime ????

I think he should be punished by:

Having to guard all of the starting guards in every practice

Not being allowed to play except when there is a 40-50 point lead in the last two minutes of the game and not being able to play in the conf. tournament and beyond.

Not letting him leave for the NBA before he graduates.

Oh yeah........sorry, my bad!

This is the sort of behavior that I believe Yovoy was talking about..... Correct me if im wrong Yovoy......

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

How one kid's actions ( or one father's actions ) of supposed lethargy towards our university can be treated like a worse crime than an actual Crime that could have gotten someone Killed.....

see where there is maybe a tidge of hypocracy there ?

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago

First I thought the headline meant that Buford had been arrested by police for saying yes in French; this thought occurred to me because we live in the age of "The Patriot Acts." Isn't it odd how in a time of totalitarian central bank centric order subordinating sovereign governments willy nilly that we are putting "the" in front of so many nouns?

Then I thought, oh, well, OUI must stand for Okie Baller Under the Influence.

No, I thought, that would be OBUI.

So then I read on.

OUI means "operating a vehicle under the influence."

What kind of substance is "The Influence." Should I want some? Am I en vogue-less for not having any?

At my next drug crazed orgy (alas my first), should I be saying, "Hey, Mountain Girl, load the pipe up with some "Influence"? Or should I say, "The Influence," to be in step with totalitarian chic?"

Ah, then, I realized, "Influence" had to be the latest new designer drug being distributed in the same large quantities the CIA and its assets had passed out LSD to unwitting young people in the 1960s, as part of MK-ULTRA.

No, I thought, the drugs of today being dumped on our society by intelligence organizations from G8 countries to help them fund black ops are Crystal Meth, Afghanistan Heroin, China White, Columbian Gold and Mastercharge Platinum.

No, wait, Mastercharge Platinum is an addictive credit card that was being dumped on unwitting young people before the Great Depression 2.0. It wasn't a drug, was it?

Well, what could "The Influence" be that young Buford had fallen under the spell of...dangling preposition and all?

Beer, wine, or distilled spirits? All three? Huna? All four?

Note: Distilled spirits maybe distinguished from holy spirits, because they occur in liquid states.

No, wait! I guess you could argue that the great flood from the story of Noah and the Ark was the holy spirit taking liquid state.

This is all very confusing.

And I don't even take illegal drugs, legal drugs, distilled spirits, holy spirits in liquid states, sudafed, or what have you.

Poor Buford. No wonder he got in a two ton, hefty hunk of steamin' junk (parenthetically, I've always wanted to borrow that line from Sweet Baby James) and OUIed when he shouldn't otta have done dat. It is all so confusingly put in society. It is okay to drink, but it is not okay to do anything drunk, except sleep.

It is not okay to take heroin, but it is okay to fight a war in Afghanistan for the right of American backed warlords to grow the poppies, refine the poppies into heroin, and sell the heroin to intelligence agencies, who reputedly sell the heroin in various first world cities to get cash, so they don't have to ask legislatures for trackable appropriations for their black ops.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago

It is okay to buy Sudafedrine in significant quantities without a prescription, but it is not okay to convert it into crystal meth, unless, of course, you are part of a criminal organization that pays sufficient kick backs to the authorities, so as not to be arrested for being in the crystal meth business in a systematic sort of way.

Medical marihuana is legal to grow. It is legal to buy. But it is not legal to sell. Or is it is legal to sell, but it is not legal to buy. Or is that prostitution, where it is legal to be a john, but not legal to be a whore?

Like I say, it is all so very, very confusing.

And we don't make it any easier to understand by these period bouts of anti-this-ism or pro-that-ism.

In America, we've been through:


Anti Free Negro-ism;

Pro-Eugenics-ism (yep, its documented, Hitler admired American science's pioneering role in Eugenics and selecting some folks out of the gene pool);



Pro-political correctness nazis;

Pro-family value nazis;

Pro-Neo-Druidic Nature Worship Environmentalism;

Pro-Invade countries for oil nazis;


Pro-torture-ism; and

so on and so forth.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm against drinking and driving, but from the strident, judgmental tone of some of the responses above to young Buford getting a snoot full of "The Influence" and driving "while under it," whatever "it" may have been, I fear we maybe entering the anti drink-and-drive-ism phase of trying to get young persons (and everyone else) not to drink and drive during America's fitful progress toward societal maturity and full democracy.

Let us tell Brother Buford the parables of peril and redemption regarding other Okie Ballers who have not benefitted from Demon Rum, good men like Eddie Sutton and Billy Gillispie, but who have over come it.

Let us not be fanatical in our pursuit of clearing the highways of those driving under "the influence," for our fanaticism will be recognized by demagogues, who will use it to mobilize us to all sorts of self-destructive causes unrelated to the problem of demon rum.

So many moral causes in American history have been utterly corrupted and turned toward nefarious ends. Let us remember this and so not repeat it.

And then let us lead Brother Buford in a rounding chorus of "Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, you're rockin' the boat!" from that greatest of all Kansan-inspired musicals: "Guys'n'Dolls.

Oh, Brother Runyan knew what he wrote of...dangling prepositions and all.

Natan, Sky, buy a round for Big Julie and da boys from Chicago to celebrate the game of dice that we have set up expresssly for their entertainment, and let us encourage that they visit the other felicitious and beeeeuteeeeful entertainments of Broadway. But guys, take the subway home. Do not drive your estimable Dusies and Auburns and Caddies home from da night's gala proceedings, lest we have to scrape youz guys from da grills of some udder cars. Okay?

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

i believe in freedom to the extent that it doesn't endanger others lives...... SUre we all should know how to operate a vehicle and ..... as someone who drives i can tell when other drivers are ... not driving with their full capacity......

Problem is.... no matter what i do.... my safety could be in jeopardy.... your safety coul be in jeoopardy.....

Would you feel wronged if you were just living your life and Poof it was gone because some jackass college kid had too many jello shots at the " whatever mixershindig frat party" ????

Some on this site may applaud a premature end to your long and verbose posts ( not I ) but it would be a tragedy in all senses.....

The part that bothers me more, is the supposed sober people who would ignore this crime and trump a bigger crime where there is none.....

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 9 months ago

WaywardJay -

Obviously, you have a grasp on the English language. ie. use of the word "tidge". To have gotten to the "Ts", you had to have passed the "Ss" where you should have found the word "sarcasm". My points were that he's already not enjoying the privileges that "higher profile" players enjoy. And, that his "punishments" by the team/HCBS wouldn't make up for his role on the team as a seldom used player.

Nowhere, did I suggest that he be treated with less severity either by the University or the judicial system. In fact, I think KU atheletes should be made an example of in the community when something like this happens. An earlier poster made mention of not knowing the result of his "blow" to determine if he shuld get a OUI or whatever letters are being used these days. I think that is totally unimportant and juvenile. If he had been drinking and decided to operate a vehicle, he was acting irresponsibly and should be judged through the appropriate authorities and dealt with accordingly.

If you want to read between the lines, it is your choice. If you want to voice your opinions of an issue, it is your choice. I, however, will challenge your misunderstandings and judgements in order to meke my messages more clear for you.


imnotpaulpierce 10 years, 9 months ago

Buford's punishment should be to read every single post Jaybate has written.

Too harsh?

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 9 months ago


I'm hoping you're a purist and aren't quoting the Nathan Lane version of Guys N Dolls. Never could figure that one out. From The Birdcage to Guys N Dolls! How does that happen? Also, nice fit for the JT lyrics!

Self4Prez 10 years, 9 months ago

Dismissing Buford from the team may be a bit extreme. DUI is neither an act of fundamental dishonesty or inherently destructive to the team. That is not to minimize the fact the DUI is very serious and warrants punishment by the larger society, but the first time that should be all of it.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago


Anti-jaybate-ism? ;-)

I don't want to go out on a limb, or anything, but from your alias, I am betting you are not a big fan of Dale Carnegie and the Power of Positive Thinking. :-)

Lynch them jaybaters. Lynch'em all. String'em up. Hang'em high. Dang me/dang me/dang me/they otta take uh rope'n hang me/High from the highest tree-eeeeeee/woman would ya weep fer me...yep, that'll learn'um fer sure!

Ahem. (jaybate shuffling papers at the news desk with the sounds of IBM Selectrics and telecopiers striking tickata-tick, tickata-tick on the sound track.)

And that's the way it is, Sunday, July 12, 2009.

Be dee uh, be dee uh, be dee uh, that's all folks.

Oh, Johnny, Ed, where are you now when we need you.

(Note: the above is referred to in literary criticism as multi layered cultural allusions to varied media combined with deconstructivist philosopy and post modern irony in a post post modern litany. :-P)

Hee, hee, hee, hee haw!

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago

Mary Hartmann, Mary Hartmann

Mary Lease, Mary Lease!!!!!!

(The Mary Lease allusion was for OakvilleJHawk to track down just for fun.)

Calling Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard!!

stravinsky 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure I actually understood the point of half of what jaybate was talking about (or... er... read... it all... might have skimmed a paragraph or two). But I was amused. I think I might agree, but for before stated reasons, I don't think I can say conclusively.

I think the best was the 'holy spirits in liquid form' line.


Kids do dumb stuff. We don't know to what extent Buford was intoxicated/drugged/influenced. Whatever. He'll be punished, which he should be, but lets not crucify the guy.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago


Yours is a thoughful consideration of the issue and I hope some legislators, judges and law enforcement professional read it and think about it. Thanks for sharing it.

boomrsoonr26 10 years, 9 months ago

Yes DUIs have become socially acceptable. I personally beat the drum for tired driving, which also is a choice someone makes and can kill.

Buford has rich parents, he will get away w/ this and thats the bottom line.

Kids make dumb mistakes, regradless if they're on scholarship or not. This isnt so much a story as it is a stat builder for % of UI infractions you have.

DUIs are big business for the local, state and federal governments. How else are they going to supplement their unruly budget spending. Give more and more tax $$ to bar owners, and start more DUI saturation patrols. Works like clockwork! The government knows this, and they just wait for the money to roll in.

Go check a local court docket on any given day, and let me know if a single day goes by without a DUI case. Beer spells government revenue.

jaybate 10 years, 9 months ago


Reading all of anything that some one writes makes it too easy, eh?

Regardless, you got the gist of it.

"...lets not crucify the guy."

Thus sprak igor "I stole Serge Sudeikin's wife" stravinsky, a truly LA expatriot kind of classically trained jayhawk. Once caught up in The Rite of Spring, he now savors the joy of music and the sound of sex, er, I mean the joy of sex and the sound of music.

Blake, quick, cue Julie...

"The hills are alive with the sound of..." :-)

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 9 months ago


The main reason people drink alcohol is to get a buzz or get drunk so they can escape the pressures of everyday life, it's kind of being a coward in my opinion but hey what ever. I'd say most people know that even one drink can impair you and has been proven to. Which is why in my opinion if you have even had one drink and then you drive you know what can happen and in a sense it is premeditated and you are taking anothers life into your own hands.

KWufan 10 years, 9 months ago

Jaybate and wayward, ok, I think we get the point, you guys are so smart for your ability to use big words that confuse most average people!! Check this out though, operating under the influence can also mean you were sitting in the drivers seat of a car WITHOUT it running or being in motion. Laws are extremely stringent and unforgiving. A friend of mine a few yrs back was 2 blocks from his house. He had been drinking and was drunk. The purpose of him being at that house was to purchase a motorcycle that was INOPERATIONAL!! No battery in it, no gas in the tank. Being only 2 blocks away from home, he decided to walk it back. Of couse, during that walk he encountered a police officer who stopped and gave him a DUI for walking and inoperable vehicle just because the key was in the ignition!! Rules are rules, yes, but they definately reek of stupidity when a common sense judgement would be sufficient for the circumstances.

KWufan 10 years, 9 months ago

kinmullen, I drink because I like the taste in beer, period. If it was non alcoholic, I would still drink it, the problem is, usually Odouls tasts like it's from a shoe so I pass on it. But to say people are cowards for something YOU don't like to do. That's not right, be more tolerable of others and what they enjoy doing whether you like it or not, please.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 9 months ago

KWufan , I said the main reason not the only reason.

mjlindsm 10 years, 9 months ago


I don't think people drink due to cowardice very often. They drink because: taste, pairing with food, relaxation, sociality (is that a word?), etc. And nobody should get behind the wheel after 1 drink? Have you ever had a drink in your life? There's a reason the limit is .08. I'm strongly against drunk driving, but this attack on alcohol as a whole bothers me as well.


I understand your point in the Vick/Stallworth matter, but I guess I'm seeing it from a different point of view. If you look at it from the view of the parents and friends and relatives of the person Stallworth killed versus that of the family of the dogs, 3 years versus 30 days only starts to make sense if their sentences were reversed. Results of actions should come with consequences. Intent matters, but when you're hammered and well-aware that you can easily kill someone if you get behind a wheel, I think you should be punished severely if that happens, if nothing else just having it as a deterrent for other future possible drunk drivers.

yovoy 10 years, 9 months ago

i ended w/ "wait for it...." for a reason.

"yovoy - go back to the mizzou boards..." ___ SOME OF you don't understand the basic nuances of what was being said, but you MISunderstand mostly because of the "who" is saying it. that's okay, it's to be expected.

"yovoy, why must idiots...goto the "double-standard" card? Why don't you just say what you really mean, and bring race in to it to make yourself feel better." ___REALLY?! why? why do YOU think it's okay to OVERLOOK a double standard to make YOURSELF feel better? is that a double standard, big boy? i never feel better about inconsistency in the way people are treated. you must think it's okay. to say that you couldn't understand would be wrong of me, so i'll just assume as much. sheesh.

"There should be a 3 strikes rule for posters like yovoy. Three moronic comments and your booted from the boards. I believe he has one more." ___boulderhawk, if your proposed rule was in effect, you wouldn't have even made it to the board!!! har-har! be glad there's no such rule. there are just posters that keep settin' 'em up, so i can knock 'em down. speaking of "3 strikes", i think that's 2 i've scored on you. you wanna let the adults do the typing around here from now on? btw, 'your' isn't 'you're': 'you ARE booted', not 'your booted'. that would mean that 'booted' belongs to 'you'. pm me and we can work on your "craft" and this crazy "english" thing a bit more.

"It is clear that yovoy is a mizzery fan, but what is funny is his referance to "thuggery.".... Yovoy, stop being a "ratard." " ___once again, i'm NOT a missouri fan, as anyone that knows me will tell you. i'm ANTI-missouri in many things; not just sports/universities. i somewhat agree w/ your assessment of columbia, but i'm baffled by what a "ratard" is. i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and just go w/ the excuse that it was a typo of "retard". speaking of, if you want some help, the line forms behind boulderhawk. feel free to pm.

wayward hawk, thanks for always trying so hard to have my back. we don't always agree, but we seem to agree that it's okay to have a divergent opinion. oh, and the comments by memhawk make me think that he was sort of saying what i originally did, that some will view it as "no big deal", but he does think it is. i'm not sure myself, i was just saying that he's likely to get different treatment by us, by the media, etc. than would "other" players. there were LOTS of viewpoints on this thread that i'd never even thought about, so thank you posters for bringing the vast experiences of jayhawk nation to bear, as well as a brief discussion of american musical theater (wtf?). some great points were made, and my opinion on the seriousness changed a few times. i still haven't made up my mind.

"Buford has rich parents, he will get away w/ this and thats the bottom line."

THANK YOU. this was my original assertion - sort of.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 9 months ago

mjlindsm, Sociality is a word nice job on that. It means 1. social nature or tendencies as shown in the assembling of individuals in communities. 2. the action on the part of individuals of associating together in communities. 3. the state or quality of being social.

Your right I may have been a little harsh I guess I just call it as I see it.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 9 months ago

In my experience partying with college basketball players, alcohol was not the drug of choice, it was weed. Easier to get over the next day. I always took the alcohol myself, never did want the green stuff but to each their own. I will bet this was not a alcohol OUI.

ginger2015 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree with yovoy 100%.

I usually skip over jaybates tiresome rants, but for whatever reason I read it today and found it to be very entertaining. Jaybate, good job.

Justin Millsap 10 years, 9 months ago

There is certainly lots of interest in this story about a non-scholarship student-athlete. The story is a little vague, is it not? Operating under the influence does not necessarily mean he was behind the wheel of a car, right? The possiblity exists that it could have been a bicycle, riding lawnmower, tractor or any other manner of vehicle. Sympathies definitely go out to those who have lost loved ones to drunk drivers, but let's not crucify the young man before we are sure it wasn't just a case of stoned cycling or plowing on acid.

mandomax 10 years, 9 months ago

fortunately his parents are exceedingly wealthy and will get him off of this

yovoy 10 years, 9 months ago

exaaaaaaaaactly. the realists, are finally on board. hello there!

lance1jhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

It doesn't take rich parents to get out of a DUI/OUI. It takes about $1,500.00- $2,000.00 dollars. First time offenders are eligible for a diversion that you do not need a lawyer for, even making it cheaper. The courts will even set you up for payment plans. This is just another money maker for the local government. (Probably to fund all those black ops.... Thanks jaybate)

truefan 10 years, 9 months ago

I'll stay away from the drama and stick to sports. I'm mad at myself for reading the posts on this board...

FairgroveJayhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm pretty sure Buford is a witch. Get a rope. Hang him in a missouri jersey. Put him so far behind bars they'll have to pipe daylight to him... only three times a day for meals of course.

I'm also pretty sure those on here wanting to find a tall tree from which to hang him can look back at their 20th year to find an error they made, maybe getting caught or not. Although he is not a high profile player, he is on a high profile team and will be "pointed at" to a greater degree than we did when we made our mistakes. Money or not hopefully the attention will assist him in placing the cab's number in his cell.

Man I came across a few understanding cops when I was younger. Thanks to them for their big old hearts.

My guess for the DUI; opperating a pogo stick on sleeping pills.

Aaron Carpenter 10 years, 9 months ago


The spelling of "ratard" was simply based on my new found love of the movie "The Hangover" which was indeed quite funny. I only slightly humorously piled on you due to my intolerance of racial whining. I don't care at all what the color if your skin is but I felt your remark was rediculous and follows every norm of our now pathetic society. Maybe, and just maybe if people quit complai ing about the situation they are in (see- 2008 Iowa flood victims vs. Katrina victims) and actually better themselves this would not be an issue. I won't make this a political forum but oh how times have changed. Rock Chalk.

yovoy 10 years, 9 months ago

oh, i thought it was just another poor job at spelling like your spelling of 'rediculous' (sic). the headache caused by your attempt at spelling makes me feel like i've got a hangover.

comparing those two populations that suffered floods just shows that no matter what you believe about race, that you really don't know much about either situation. you obviously won't make this a political forum because you don't possess the means to do so.

you can still pm me. just wait over there behind the boulder. have fun.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 9 months ago

Holy Mackarel, in the hell did you dig up Mary Elizabeth Lease????

A 19th century crazy lady with the Kansas Populist party??? A loose cannon politician, suffragette and divorcee???? One really ugly, foul-mouthed filly from Philly??? But, most importantly, the supposed model character that L Frank Baum used for Dorothy in the Wizard of OZ?????

HA,HA,HA,HA...fantasic, my friend...just fantastic!!!

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Memhawk.... In fairness, I read sarcasm in your original posts.... i still think the underlying tone is there...... several hours later, i still feel that what i saw was accurate....

People as a whole, have taken pot shots at Xavier for things that have been for the most part out of his control ( and im not going say i wasn't pissed when he mentioned Kentucky ... i said some stuff too ) but as a whole... I have given him a wait and see attitude... like i want to give buford to a certain degree... this situation changes if he blew .01 as opposed to .23 ..... However, im not holding out hope of a .01

If your way of handling this is sarcasm, then fine.... I just want to know where the anger is...... because what he did is closer to giddens and Giles level of idiocy ( if not worse ) than to anyone comparing this in any way to What we currnetly have..... AND PEOPLE WERE LINING UP TO MASSACRE THOSE TWO........ This kid gets a pass, why ? because he doesn't play and has no talent ? ( ok in fairness if we were in a pick up game he would get picked first ) I hope not. Because he's white ? I DEFINETELY HOPE NOT..... I would rather be naive in thinking most Jayhawks have somewhat more evolved look than that, I would prefer to think that we are better than those at Cattle U who threw bananas on the Court at ole Ahearn, or those slave staters who have been known to say some pretty shady stuff.....

The basic fundamentals are the same, about how i felt 9-10 hours later..... Why do people still talk trash when there are bigger issues.... and why doe sthis kid from several of the fans get a pass for what Seems to be a hard issue, and why isn't this kid being drug out in the street and shot like other former jayhawks..... GIles, Giddens, Micah Downs even..... WHere's the Hate, Hawks?

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

KWU fan.... Im incensed..... tidge is not a big word nor was i trying to show off my vocabulary.... as for jaybate, he's just that damn smart.... i can't help that......

Can you blame Russell Robinson for being sucha good leader..... No nor should you hate on the bate because he's got more witticisms than you....

as for me, i do enjoy beer and im trying to give this kid a cahnce, really I am because guess what...we've all been there doing somethign we are not supposed to do..... seems bad though.... not sure this woulda leaked out if it would have been him sitting there ina car with alcohol in his system... that defis logic..... cops pull you over for a reason, he must have been doing something to get there attention....

Odds are no one seriously was harmed but the kid was over the limit, and under 21.... so big fine, suspended liscense and nasty well as Bill concocting some sort of punsihment on the court for detriment to the team..... the next closest is a slow unfolding of worse case scneraio that of jamar Smith, which took weeks before we found out that he had been drinking with a teammmate..... stupidly went out driving in a blizzard and wrecked his car....drove it home.... Left his teammate for dead ( fearing he was already dead ) in the passenger seat..... tried to pretend he was innocent....

the longshot odds are this was just a cop anxious to write a OUI ticket to a kid who was sitting in car minding his own business , but drinking under the age....

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

by the way... my name is WAYWARD for a reason.... I've been everywhere man... I was living on UIUC Campus about 1 mile from where jamar wrecked the car.....

It was painstaking getting detaisl on this story.... Jamar was a good player, i hope gets his life together after this, and doesn't end up a bertuzzi....

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 9 months ago


Three suggestions:

Use the Preview Comment button.

Use SpellCheck and GrammarCheck.

Just say no to the "......"s

You may also want to make fewer (no more) references to Jamar - you're probably the only one here who is truly interested in that topic.

KUbsee69 10 years, 9 months ago

How many understand that it IS NOT illegal to drink and drive in Kansas. It is, however, illegal to drive IMPAIRED. It, therefore becomes somewhat a judment call.

As a juror on a fairly recent DUI trial, I was amazed at the number of times the prosecution, the defense, and the trial judge pointed that out to the jury.

The prosecution must prove that the driver's condition is too impaired; that is that the driver constituted a hazard to others in the specific condition observed, and/or tested by the arresting officer.

Most of the posters on here seem to have adjudicated Buford to a guilty status just because he was arrested for OUI. That's not the case.

Let's wait until he pleads and/or is judged to be guilty before passing our own judgment.

KGphoto 10 years, 9 months ago

Right on jayhowitzer.

You can't say it much more betterer than that.

stravinsky 10 years, 9 months ago

Hahaha. Oh jaybate.

Yeah, reading all of things does make it too easy. I blame the like 40 posts above you and my habitual sleep deprivation.

Props on the classical music referencing though!

route66 10 years, 9 months ago

Yovoy.....are you a racist or what??????

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Jamar's relevant, whether you choose to see it or not Mem..... So there ya go.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Yovoy and waywardjay,

In the words of Bill Hicks: "You're wrong. Get over it. K? K."

yovoy 10 years, 9 months ago

69, great point! lots of people seem to think he should get run up the pole. i just want everyone to treat him like they'd treat anyone else.

my ORIGINAL statement was that "others" would not be treated the same on the boards. does that make me racist? explain to me how.
power + prejudice = racism, so i don't see how, but if YOU think so, then okay. speaking truth to power is NOT the same thing as racism.

bayarea, wasn't billy sort of a 'decide for yourself' guy? ironic that you use his quote to shush me. what am i wrong about?

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Get over it.

What am I wrong about ? I suggested that Chase Buford get punished by Bill Self as well as the State government.... I hardly see where I am wrong there. I also suggested, that there are people out there who are treating this kid like he was a family member instead of a Teammate of a university that i believe we all commonly love.... I am trying to be patient with this kid because details are scarce. Bay area, why don't you go to Balco and Buy a clue. Maybe it might lead you to some real since of clearity, or possibly it will grow your muscles 8 times the normal size of a human's....

Patience is a virtue, I was once told. Apparently, They were wrong too..... I wish every Jayhawk was as patience with X as they have been with Buford.... but wishing for equal standards based on someones abilities is wrong also...

AS for ellipses, Do you ever think anyone told ee cummings " dude, Seriously what's with the random capitalization and no Punctuation ?"

bayareajhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Yovoy, I'm pretty sure I could read over these comments again and tell you a lot of things you've been wrong about. But I don't really care enough, so I'll just address a couple of things you are wrong about in your last post.

  1. Racism is not power + prejudice. Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people based upon their ethnicity. It usually involves negative character traits, but can also involve positive character traits. The statement "black people are good dancers" is equally as racist as the statement "white people are bad dancers." Though those statements do involve prejudice, they have very little to do with power. Your definition implies that it is impossible to be racist against a group that is in power. That might be a popular idea among certain groups, but it is patently untrue.

  2. Bill Hicks was fine with people deciding for themselves, as long as they agreed with him. Most of his stand-up is him ranting against people with opposing views. How did you come up with him as a "decide for yourself" guy? Have you ever seen his stand-up?

Here endeth the lesson.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Waywardjay, I did read over your posts just now. Though you come across as a bit of a d-bag here in internet land, I'll bet if we talked about this issue in person we could come to agreement. Anybody can come across as a d-bag on the internet. Most do, in fact. And I'm probably included in that. So I'm not going to hold that against you too much.

What I don't agree with is yovoy's racial bs, and so I lumped you in with him after you praised him so much for it. There are a couple of other comments you made that I take minor issue with, but whatever. I probably shouldn't have called you out like I did yovoy.

Just please don't compare your prose to ee cummings's verse ever again and we will be fine.

boomrsoonr26 10 years, 9 months ago

" i just want everyone to treat him like they'd treat anyone else." -Yovoy

We are treating him like anyone else. He's an irrelevant sports figure at KU that is popular by association to a product he has little to no impact in. Thats exactly how most posters are treating this. You are giving this story and the posters way more attention than they deserve, therefore, you come off as a elitest w/ no faults. And when you bring issues of race to the forefront be prepared to be called a bigot and racist. Didn't KU teach you anything? Your shock and outrage is laughable!

Insulting ones typing/spelling ability on a comments board is like insulting a Mizzou fan for dating his sister. Like we give a flying funk. She was purdy though, yuck yuck.

Welcome to the show.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

d-bag or not..... i could care less your opinion of me, Bay. that's just how it is.... You are probably right, we aren't too far off... and in that context Neither are you that far off from Yovoy....

I don't consider him ( or Her ) a racist, because he has not said anything Racist, nor has he played the race card..... he played lack of talent card ..... and he played daddy's got money card.....

I just want the Henry's to be given every chance that Buford's getting, because buford's crime is .....well actually a crime. I disagree as to his relevenace though, anytime it's a hawk wearing that uniform it looks badly upon all hawks...

Finally,This is a Web log, about sports. Never make assumptions about the writings or the characterization of the person you are sparring with, You do not know who you are dealing with.... You don't know about their writing talents or their lack of writing talents...... Some show us ten fold their abilities, ( Jaybate ).... Others tend to use obscure references and play it simple ( me )..... If i wanted your verbal critique on poetry or prose I would ask for it.... AS for Ee, Well... I think my point was simple, I wonder what he would say to someone bashing on Ellipses. Probably wouldn't think much of that person...... Doubt ellipses were a problem to him.....

I think I consider this conflict closed .... Let's get Football Season underway !

bayareajhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

wayward, now you are very wrong. I am a long way off from what yovoy has said in this thread. I never said he was racist. I said he doesn't know what racism is and that he invoked it in a debate in which it was irrelevant. Yet you say he didn't play the race card? How about this: "what if he were more "athletic" or more to the point more "urban"? surely the outcry of "thuggishness" would ring all over this board."

What do you think he means when he says "more to the point more 'urban'?" And as for the Henrys, you're the only person talking about them right now. Let it go.

I'm not merely making assumptions about your writings, I'm reading what you have written and observing that you have horrendous grammar. As grammar is a core fundamental of writing, I'd say it's pretty obvious you are not showing any talent. Maybe it's down there somewhere, but I'm still waiting for it.

And when you compare yourself to ee cummings after writing what you have, you deserve all the criticism you get. Yet you've done it a second time. He's rolling in his grave.

waywardJay 10 years, 8 months ago

Bay.... we'll agree to disagree on EE.

Personally, I think it's a cultural Issue. Have you been in the City streets lately, Bay...I assume you must have been. Thuggish has gone beyond ( re: Only Black ), white kids, Hispanic Kids, Hell asian Kids have their own "thuggish" look and demeanor. It doesn't mean a specific race, If you want to attribute a negative Stereotype to a recent race by Dimensions of Thugdom then that says more about you then Yovoy.

I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, because you seem like a fairly logical person even though you may be stiff and uncolorful ; ). People perceive patterns for perpetuity, and there are some on this Board that think that Chase's crime is null and void because he's not a starter. I beg to differ.

Some suggest that simply because he'll never see the light of day off our bench. It doesn't matter. I beg to differ.

Many on this site have complained about the Henry's, still to this day through gritting teeth, they don't want give these kids a chance. Many of those same individuals, have commented on other posts about how this post or article is no big deal, but the Henry's teeth needing cleaned is a crime beyond measure. Personally, I try to keep that all things in perspective, specifically considering this is still months away from any bearing fruit of this.

Irritate me and the Ellipses go away, complain about my diction and I will clear it up for you. I just didn't think you needed it that simple. Most of us don't. This is a sports blog, we don't need to talk Neutonian physics, and grammar can pass above a simple nod and grunt and get the job done.

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 8 months ago

Ok, I have let this go for two long. His name was Isaac Newton. Therefore it is Newtonian physics.

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 8 months ago

I could have sworn I typed in "too long".

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