Wednesday, July 8, 2009

Taylor’s 13 points lead U.S. to 76-69 victory over Lithuania


Kansas sophomore guard Tyshawn Taylor had a team-high 13 points and four assists, leading the U.S. men's U-19 team to a 76-69 victory over Lithuania on Wednesday morning in Auckland, New Zealand.

Taylor made three shots in the final four minutes to help Team USA hold on.

"I played with a kind of chip on my shoulder because I didn’t play so good yesterday," Taylor said, "so I just wanted to come out here and play a good game."

Taylor finished 6-for-13 from the floor with four assists, two turnovers and one steal in 22 minutes. He was 0-for-1 from the three-point line and 1-for-2 from the free-throw line.

The U.S. (6-0) will face Canada on Friday in the quarterfinals.


Dyrk Dugan 11 years, 6 months ago

good for Tyshawn. he's getting good experience there. let's just keep 'er goin against our neighbors to the north....and we're playing down under! lol.

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

This is a good sign.... not only did we destroy greece... i figured this lithuania team would be pretty strong....

Taylor made three shots in the final four minutes to help Team USA hold on.

That is even Better news..... means he is learning to be a closer..... ice water veins are critical to championship teams......

Joe Baker 11 years, 6 months ago

He needs to develop that 3 pt shot. Would someone please help him develop his 3 pt shot? Dang...that's the only weakness in his game. I don't understand how a talented and strong player can be so inconsistent from the 3 pt line. He better get it right in the coming weeks. It bothers me because if he isn't already consistent, he may never develop into a true deep sharp shooter.


JayCeph 11 years, 6 months ago

Wow, to beat Lithuania... that's good. They are always such strong competitors. Glad they could hang on for the 'W.'

BabyJayBate 11 years, 6 months ago

It is definitely good news that he is taking over down the stretch.

I disagree that we need him to develop a three point shot. All we need Tyshawn to be able to do next year is play aggressive without turning the ball over. He is not an outside shooter. He may turn into one at some point, but that is not what this team needs him to do this year. When you have Sherron, Brady, Reed, and X that could easily shoot over 40% from three, we won't need Tyshawn to shoot from outside. Just my 2 cents.

Scott Oswalt 11 years, 6 months ago


give him a break DUDE! he's doing almost everything right. the 3 pt. shot will come. he's a sophomore, still very young. it's not like he's that inconsistent. he was 0-1 in this game. apparently you've never watched keith langford, aaron miles or russell robinson? it's not like their 3 pt. shot was that consistent, but still they were very good players. he's been the leading scorer in almost all of their games. give him time BRO!

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

truehawk93, im glad someone else feels my pain.... I love the kid..... HIT JUMPERS TYSHAWN !


Again.... Paid Scholarship athlete who will play on a team with at least 3-5 three point bombers who COULD have taught him the shot.....

If this is his one weakness..... it's the one we most need out of him... sherron can walk, jog, bowl and run the ball up court, Unless sherron gets hurt we won't need Taylor in this compacity until next year....... we need him to play thorough defense and HIT OPEN JUMPSHOTS.....

Brady, Tyrel, Sherron can all teach him this shot...... X and CJ might be able to also... we won't know for a while about them though.....

SyberLAN 11 years, 6 months ago

He may be the next soph to take a giant leap forward from freshman year, as Marcus did late Spring. What a great experience this is for him. Both as a basketball player and as a young man. He has been a great Ambassador for the school and the program.

KGphoto 11 years, 6 months ago

You don't just "teach" any shot. Except for maybe a Duncan glasser. Besides, I remember TT hitting some bombs last year. Remember that game that pitted Sherron and the OK tea-bagger launching threes from 25ft? Didn't TT hit one of those too?

No worries. I'm tracking his assists anyway. Looks like he's averaging about 5. (in 20 min.)

Tyshawn is going to be deadly. KU is going to be, oh so deadly.

KUbsee69 11 years, 6 months ago

Hope he brings the "chip" back with him.

suttonku 11 years, 6 months ago

wish these games were on TV so I could at least watch one Jayhawk play...summer is getting boring without basketball and football...

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 6 months ago

How exactly is 0-1 from 3 inconsistent? Every pure 3 shooter is streaky, but Tyshawn shot it at better than 36% last year, just a point worse than Sherron. 40% from 3 is more or less the gold standard, so Tyshawn is right there, and he can do so much more. It sounds like he single-handedly won the game down the stretch, so give him a break.

kvskubball 11 years, 6 months ago

Way to go Tyshawn!

It's great that he is playing in crunch time, as almost everyone on the team is seeing about 20 minutes or less of PT per game. Even better, he's taking shots and making them when it really counts. Last year, we had so many players (Especially perimeter players) often standing around waiting for Collins or Aldrich to score.

I hope he comes back with the idea that he can take and make big shots, if he's got the ball. I'm not saying that he'll have to shoot them all, but it would be nice if some of the young guns step up, and take and make big shots.

Also, I hope the head coach, Dixon of Pittsburg, doesn't cost us a game. He's playing his player (guard Ashton Gibbs of Pitt) about 25 minutes per game. Almost noone else is seeing more than 20 minutes per game on average. Nice to have one of your own on the team and get him some good experience. I just hope it won't end up biting the US team. Nothing against Gibbs, but he's not any better than Taylor, Curry, or the other US guards, imo.

yovoy 11 years, 6 months ago

none-for-one isn't inconsitent. his stat line for this game is much more solid than what he's shown. maybe he's going to be like rush; maybe he'll need to be reminded about having a chip.

my only beef is his consistency, but this line is quite respectable.

Jaminrawk 11 years, 6 months ago

I'm just glad Tyshawn is getting a chance to play meaningful games in the "off-season". Summer pick up games and camps can't compare to playing for your nation. He should be a much improved player by the time "Late Night" comes around.

dvo1990 11 years, 6 months ago

Why are you bashing TT for his 3 point shots? He is playing overseas getting better everyday! Some of you people need to relaxe!!! The season is 5 months away. Tysawn played very well last year as a Freshman!! I for one think this is great for him and for KU. Just stop the nitpicking!! Coach Self will take care of your concerns.

craigers 11 years, 6 months ago

TT is getting better and that spells good things for KU next year!!! I'm so excited for bball but can football start already?

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

0-1 isn't consistant.... but 0-3 and 0-1 in consecutive games is consistant..... we cannot win the championship with him missing open jumpers......that's all im saying...... i love his game.... HIT JUMP SHOTS !!!! that is all...

kvskubball 11 years, 6 months ago


Are you able to watch the games? You imply that he's missing open jumpers. How do you know they are open?

jerhawk 11 years, 6 months ago

ty is a great find, self is a master recruiter, may i say it- head and shoulders above the mythic god the roy williams!

100 11 years, 6 months ago

Great job Tyshawn.

As for 3 point shooting, obviously 0 for one is nothing to worry about.

He is in a developmental time in his basketball career. His 3 will only get much better, and the truth is it is the least important part of his game right now, in terms of making huge strides considering he shot 36% last year.

There are great drills for kids this age to remarkably jump their percentages up in competition -- so much of it is just practice, practice, practice, but let's be real -- taking 3 months off to work on his 3 is the last thing he's able to do right now.

Thank goodness he's on this team.

Rock Chalk

JJHawq 11 years, 6 months ago

I would argue that he needs to work on that part of his game. Not a bash - just based on his games as a frosh. No big deal. Lighten up people.

I LOVE TYSHAWN. I think he has such a good - well rounded game - and will lead us well even if he never shoots the three ball like Mario did. Russ Rob Aaron Miles are good expamples of people who didn't light it up but were great guards that were "glue guys" and had well rounded games. LOVE THE KID.

...but that is a weakness. Objective criticism is NOT bashing.

No clue how these games went as none of us have seen them...

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

not saying they are open.... tyshawns a learned kid... i doubt he's taking guarded threes..... he's no Kobe....

Im giving him Basketball IQ points for taking the open shot..... he's just missing 73.7 from behind that white line ( or is it yellow in FIBA ) hopefully he will get that down..... we need him around 40 percent come season time...... thanks JJ....

Russ and Aaron didn't develop into decent shooters until their senior year.... however, one can argue neither had as muich hype or talent around thm as Sophomores..... nor could one argue that there is as much expectation from a sophomore on either shoulder......

he shot hinrich like numbers as newell's post suggested yesterday.... let's hope in season he has hinrich like improvement shooting this year also....

if he doesn't make that shot...we will force it always to X and forcing a freshman to hit shot after shot can cost you games...... even if X is as advertized...... or we will not have tyshawn playing .....which sucks.

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 6 months ago

I'm not familliar enough with the non-American basketball game to know what the difference is between the college and foreign 3-point shot line distance. It it likely that it's farther out and Ty hasn't adjusted to that length yet? That might be affecting his percentage on 3-point shots.

justanotherfan 11 years, 6 months ago


The international 3 point line is 20 feet, 6 inches. Last season the college line moved from 19 feet, 9 inches to 20 feet, 9 inches, so the line Tyshawn is shooting at in this tournament is actually slightly closer than the distance he shot from last year as a Jayhawk.

kvskubball 11 years, 6 months ago


That is a possibility. I've copied part of an article from the FIBA website about the differences in the college game and international basketball...

THREE-POINT LINE Measured from the centre of the basket: FIBA: 6.25 m (20' 6.25") arc. NBA: 7.24 m (23' 9") arc, which intersects with lines parallel to the sideline that are 6.7 m (22') from the basket at their closest point. WNBA: 6.25 m (20' 6.25") arc. NCAA 6.02 m (19' 9") arc.

So you are correct, that the international 3 point shot is more than 9" further back than the men's college basketball line. Interestingly enough, the FIBA 3 point line is the same distance as the WNBA line!

So, it might be at least somewhat of an adjustment for TT.

Keep Rockin'

kvskubball 11 years, 6 months ago

Oops, I noticed that the article had the old distance...So I'm wrong...

yovoy 11 years, 6 months ago

i'm not convinced that he's a "true" point guard, and i'm not convinced that he's a "2". i know ourSelf likes to recruit combo guys, and i think tyshawn is sort of a combo guard. so then it's not exactly accurate to compare him to miles or capt. kirk. sure when sherron wasn't brining it up, it was mostly tyshawn, and i think he did okay w/ that.

if he's viewd as a point, then we shouldn't be worried about his 3-pt pct too much. miles couldn't and often wouldn't shoot. besides being one of the 2 or 3 fastest players w/ the ball that i've ever seen, kh was a pg that could shoot. heck he could just score, which reminds me that tyshawn/team might be better served if he works on getting to around 12 ft out to the rim on the bounce. the mid-range game is the most underrated part of the game. as a guard (1,2,3) he should be able to kill teams w/ that. if you don't believe me, i'll ask if you remember a guy by the name of paul pierce. if he gets to the elbow on the bounce, he's going to score. if you sag, he's open. if you're too close, he's going to shoot freethrows. he's made a living w/ his midrange, it allows him to do all the other stuff that he can do on the offensive end. that's the game tyshawn could excel at!

if he's viewed as a 2, then let's all hope that he improves vastly before the season starts. he seems like a smart, conscientious kid, so i'm sure he'll be working on it. as for 0-4 being inconsistent, i don't know, sometimes shots don't fall. sometimes they fall even if you're banking your 3-ball in. as a 2, he should still work on his midrange game. it seems to me his mid-range game was decent, so he should look to get there more often.

dvo1990 11 years, 6 months ago

Is this the kind of stuff I am going to read on here all season? I don't understand the questions about Tyshawns 3 point %. They won the game and he scored 13 points!! That's a good game! We also have many other 3 point shooters on the team.So when KU wins games are you going to focus on the stats and why Tyshawn or Sherron shot poor from 3? Last year we had good games and bad, but won alot of them. Players stats will differ game to game. Lets just enjoy the season. I know it will be a great one!!

Jack Wilson 11 years, 6 months ago

What team in the country wouldn't take a 4 guard rotation of Collins, Taylor, CJ, and Elijah? Compare Taylor to Chalmers/Robinson/Collins in their first seasons and he stacks up just fine. Patience. Let him develop.

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 6 months ago

What impressed me was Tyshawn finishing 6-for-13 from the floor while making 3 shots in the last 4 minutes. In other words, he was at a minimum, 3 for 10 going into the last 4 minutes. Not an exceptional outing to that point, but he stepped up in the last 4 minutes to help his team. That is a quality we did not see out of him last season. I'm excited to see that level of confidence developing. Last year we wanted a third scorer, this year we may have 5 or 6.

Also, can you imagine how sweet life must be for Tyshawn right now. Playing ball over seas and developing his game while seeing another way of life.

Way to go Tyshawn.

JJHawq 11 years, 6 months ago

No worries about Tyshawn. I was just defending someone on the board -

YES you will see constructive criticism and non-constructive criticism on message boards all year long. Is this your first one? that's what they are... ...we probably wouldn't read them if it were all "golly gee things sure are swell."

It's ok to "discuss" things - maybe even point out weaknesses - and still be a huge fan. I tell my kids their "weaknesses" all the time (don't talk like that to your mother - close your mouth when you chew - don't run on a fly ball in shallow right with 1 out) - doesn't mean I don't love them.

Regarding "hype" - russell was hyped less - but aaron was hyped more, in my opinion.

yovoy 11 years, 6 months ago

i DID forget to give kudos on his timing! that's what impressed me most. it sounded to me like the took control of the game. that's one reason my hat IS off to him. he's working on his game; not at pick-up ball, not at the rec, not at a skills camp, but PLAYING against players from all over the globe. he DID take over a couple of games. he is the reason we won one of them, even if he didn't make some buzzer beater. he also played well v. ou - ESP for a frosh. he let's us see the flashes of talent, we just want that to be on display consistently.

JJHawq 11 years, 6 months ago

I was VERY STOKED to hear he closed out the game like that - a very good sign. The kid can flat out play. I love his mentality - team first team first - but don't be scared to make a play. THAT is what Kansas Basketball is all about.

We love you Mr. Taylor.

yovoy 11 years, 6 months ago

i was more excited about russ, but waaaaay more disappointed w/ his frosh campaign. not w/ the play, but you could tell he was struggling away from home. miles was waaaay more hyped than either of these 2. i won't say who turned out to be my favorite of the 3. i'll wait for the end of next season.

kvskubball 11 years, 6 months ago

I just think its kind of funny to be asking for consistency from a freshman....

Someone wise once said that the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores (Now, you'd have to change the saying..."The best freshmen become professionals", for the rest, repeat the saying of the wise one). I think thats true even for talented freshmen like TT.

There were many good reasons why the NCAA used to have a rule that made freshmen ineligible. Obviously, some of the reasons have changed, so that freshmen now play and even start....

yovoy 11 years, 6 months ago

sure, if you're talented, expectations of being able to be a stable commodity from game-to-game are simply outrageous.

well, back when the high-and-tight was what most players wore, and the unforms had belts, that rule was still kind of silly. back then student athletes weren't generating money for the university to the degree they are now. if there was a reason to change it, the reason was probably tied to money. that or some legal decision. some play and some start AND become sophomores. hooray! would you rather have some "best freshmen" don't come along and depive the the soph playing time? i would if the frosh deserved it.

100 11 years, 6 months ago

Briefly, I'll make one last comment on this:

There is a reason the ESPN writer is projecting Tyshawn as a late first rounder. Speed, acceleration, raw talent, intelligence, athleticism, and an overall winner's attitude.

The writer is not doing anything other than projecting due to something he saw.

Tyshawn does have an excellent stroke. That doesn't mean he's making them all at this stage of his career. But the stroke is the key -- when he gets a month (or year) to really put the time into just that skill -- isolated -- it will all become very easy for him. At that point it's a question of warming up properly before every contest/ practice while also working at least 30 minutes on this skill a day.

Use Billy Thomas as the perfect example of hard work paying off -- when you have a stroke it's about honing it, and Billy has done this as will Tyshawn when the time is right.

The best thing is that Tyshawn doesn't take those 3s at the wrong time -- he's looking for team concepts. That is a skill that is very difficult to teach if the kid doesn't get it at 19.

Keep up the good work Tyshawn!

mjlindsm 11 years, 6 months ago

Speaking of statistics of our sophomores, do you guys know that Marcus Morris is on pace to destroy the record for technicals in a Kansas career? They haven't been keeping that stat for too long, but from the data I've seen, his two technicals are as much as anyone recorded in their entire careers at Kansas (along with Jeff Hawkins, and I forgot the others). Unless I'm mistaken, he only needs 1 to break the record. Any bets on how long it takes him to get their?

There's no point to any of that. Just found it interesting. I love the way Marcus improved both in skills and mentally over the course of last season and I can't wait to see him this year. His tweener-ness and lack of explosiveness should keep him at Kansas all four years. I'm excited to see it.

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

if only we could grow TT 6 inches .... then it wouldn't matter the three point shooting.... unfortunately.... when SHerron runs most of the sets.... and you have two stable post players.... one of which is an all america who will get double teamed... SOMEONE WILL BE OPEN..... and that someone early will be Tyshawn Taylor.... WHen cole gets the ball in the haflcourt..... cole won't have to look long and hard to find the pass.... FIND 10..... because people are already scared of Henry on name alone..... and sherron's sherron...... they can't double from the post if morris's leap is up 6-10 inches....... It looks like the open player will be on the wing wearing 10.....

I hope your all right.... so far it's not showing it.... and im of the school that if you aren';t aware of history your doomed to repeat it.....

I just keep replaying Hakim Warrick swatting Michael lee's jumper away.... only this time it's bobo MOrgan and Tyshawn Taylor

overseashawk 11 years, 6 months ago

It is great that we were able to beat Lithuania. I'd imagine that half of their players are PROS already. The Baltic countries really take basketball SERIOUSLY. I was in Latvia a couple of months ago and was surprised to learn that basketball is pretty much on parallel with ice hockey in terms of popularity. I was also able to catch a womens basketball game on TV and the quality blew my mind. The level of play was better than any WNBA game that I've ever seen.

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago

They REALLY care about the sport over there.

I dislike David Stern intensly, but he has been right about the movement to internationalize the game. It's interesting where 16 years ago, none of these teams would sniff 50 points against the best America had to offer.

Nowadays, we gotta send our best and brightest to even compete.

I love that Naismith's game has grown so popular. I love that there is competition on suhc a grand scale overseas.

When was the last time we had an NBA draft where their wasn't big buzz about some kid from overseas who was just a dynamite player ( or a dynamite bust to be.... Im speaking about you darko. )

So I guess a little good with the bad. Stern makes the league internationally attractive, but fixes playoff series to get results that would favor further european expansion. ( 2007 Suns v. Spurs series in which Amare stoudamire was suspendd for a game for walking three steps out onto the court to pick up steve nash after being thrown into the scorers table.... but robert horry the guy who THREW steve nash into the scorer's table was unpunished. )

waywardJay 11 years, 6 months ago


I think Michael lee actually said somethign about taking too much time on that shot... in a look back a while ago..... He tought he had eons to make that shot.... h wanted it perfect....

6'6 Cdr doesn't block that shot because 6'6 CDR did not have the foot speed to cover the distance...... WHat he was doing playing the 2 for that team i do not know...... great Player but size made him 3 when they needed a 2...... Wonder if Calipari will be preaching defensive footspeed at Kentucky.... if so.... that maybe Daniel Orton In my dream swatting TY's last second bomb away......

im thinking about it more and more.... Maybe we should redshirt him..... not because of the shot..... Because he will only be better as a sophomore next year......and we don't need him on this team......

if he's maturing to a combo 1 which everyon on this site seems to be suggesting.... we have a combo 1 in sherron...and we lack a combo 2 ( Mario, Keith type. )

Starting Brady is no slouch and fits our perimeter 3 needs..... and he's our best on ball defender says self.... if they back off brady, THEY WILL PAY.... as to backing off Tyshawn they could possibly pay we hope......

we prettty much have to Start X or Carl might become a Kentucky Lifer..... and having 4 scoring threats in the starting lineup is enough thank you.... we don't need 5. it always works best when you have 1 guy who does everything else.....

Russell Robinson anyone ?

I also like ty as the 6th man off the bench..... if he has doubts two names for you... Ben Gordon and Manu Ginobili.... guys who make their teams better coming off the bench but still make SOLID Impact on games. guys who have similiar size and abilities to Tyshawn..... ( They both have a more consistant shot though, they shoul they make money doing this )

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