Tuesday, July 7, 2009

Appleton transferring to Southwest Baptist


Former Kansas University basketball reserve point guard Tyrone Appleton will play his senior season at NCAA Div. II Southwest Baptist (Mo.) University, sixth-year Bearcats coach Jeff Guiot said Monday.

The 6-foot-2 Appleton, who announced plans to leave KU on April 9, will not have to sit out a year since he’s dropping down a division, according to NCAA rules.

“We’re excited. He’s obviously a very good point guard who can help keep us at the level we’re accustomed to,” said Guiot, a former KU guard, who completed his own career at Div. II Pittsburg State.

“I think Tyrone was interested in playing right away. He’s hungry to get back to playing. Also, we have a 6-foot-11 player, Matt Rogers, who is a projected NBA Draft pick. We’re going to have a lot of scouts at our games this year. I think that enticed him a bit.”

Appleton, who did not return calls for comment, averaged 2.2 minutes per game in 21 games his only year at KU. He was a second-team juco All-American his sophomore season at Midland (Texas) College.

“I think he can step right in, that’s the game plan unless somebody can come in and take it away,” Guiot said of Appleton starting from Day One for a team that went 26-5 a year ago.

“We like our point guards to be multi-dimensional, shoot and pass, lead the team, get as many players involved as possible, take what the defense gives them and to be aggressive,” Guiot added.

Appleton, who has completed a summer school course at Southwest Baptist, has something in common with Guiot.

“I left Kansas myself,” said Guiot, who like Appleton desired more playing time. Guiot played two years at KU for coach Larry Brown before heading to the Div. II school. “I know what he went through (in not playing much). We talked to him a lot, then brought him here for a visit and two days later he said he wanted to be part of our program.

“Basketball in the Midwest is second to none. He likes the area. Our program is great in terms of fan support. I think he’s excited about his senior season.”

It’s believed Appleton also considered Midwestern State, a Div. II school located in Wichita Falls, Texas, where Appleton’s former junior college coach is now head coach.

Appleton’s dad had said there was also some interest in Div. I, where Tyrone would have had to sit out a season after transferring.

“I think he entertained all kinds of thoughts, but didn’t want to sit out a whole year,” Guiot said.

Skills Academy underway: KU junior center Cole Aldrich is one of 20 college players attending this week’s LeBron James Skills Academy in Akron, Ohio. Oklahoma sophomore Willie Warren is the only other Big 12 Conference player represented. Aldrich checked in at 6-foot-11, 242 pounds.

Several KU prospects are attending the high school portion of the camp, including 6-7 Wichita Heights soph standout Perry Ellis. Others on KU’s list include: Harrison Barnes, 6-8, Ames, Iowa; Cameron Clark, 6-6, Sherman, Texas; Terrence Jones, 6-8, Portland; Doron Lamb, 6-3, Laurelton, N.Y. and Ray McCallum, 6-01⁄2, Detroit.


Michael Auchard 10 years, 10 months ago

Good luck, Apples. You'll always be a Jayhawk.

suttonku 10 years, 10 months ago

my brothers went to SBU and transferred out...its a lot different than Lawrence but its an ok school...ive played with coach Guiot before, hes a good guy and he knows his basketball...Im pretty sure they went to Utah last year and beat them there and Utah was in the NCAA tourny so thats pretty good

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

Good luck tyrone.... If only there were another 30 minutes a game..... You and Quintrell will be missed..... Your work for us will not be forgotten.... Hope to see you in the NBA someday

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago

Two years ago, Tyrone Appleton was so good major D1 programs wanted him for his lock-down defense and his two years of eligiblity.

Now, its SW Baptist in DII.

Did he leave for more PT and it played out poorly, or was he forced out at KU and it played out poorly?

Either way, it is brutal.

Bedore tries to lip balm the hog.

Coach Guiot is an ex KUer who went through the same thing under LB. There's a center TA might form a down the middle game with. He won't have to sit out a year. TA wanted to and will get to play right now.

But this feels more like Requiem for a Heavyweight than The Power of Positive Thinking.

People ought to remember this story the next time they feel like talking cavalierly about "making room" for some new gotta have.

"Firing" kids in Tyrone's situation has harsh consequences.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago

Harrison Barnes is now 6'8"?

Two weeks back he was 6'6".

At this rate, Harrison is going to be a 7' small forward by the end of the summer!!

Xavier better jump to the pros after his first year.

Otherwise, Coach Self may have to have a Tyrone Appleton kind of talk with Xavier about his future at KU with Harrison Barnes coming in.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago

Information sought on the politics of James Naismith and Phog Allen.

Were they registered Republicans or Democrats? They came along shortly after the Populists's People's Party disbanded, so they were probably not Populists. Could also have been Progressives perhaps. Socialists? Communists?

Did they ever do any campaigning for any candidates?

Seriously, I want to know for something I am working on.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago

Naismith thought basketball was fit for girls, too...

"Indeed, during his courtship of his future wife, Maude Sherman, he encouraged her to play, and when the first girl's basketball tournament was held in March of 1892 at the "Y," Maude was among the players."

Rock chalk, Maude!

Ann Oneill 10 years, 10 months ago

Best of luck Mr. Appleton. Bate - go back to bed.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago

One of the best links I've found on James Naismith, but not an answer to my question about what political party he was registered with.

Joe Baker 10 years, 10 months ago

suttonku (anonymous) says... Im pretty sure they went to Utah last year and beat them there and Utah was in the NCAA tourny so thats pretty good

SBU did beat Utah on their court.

They have a huge b-ball program and he will do really well. We'll hear a lot about SBU with this change!


rick cowley 10 years, 10 months ago

Good luck Tyrone. You always had a great attitude and hustle. You also played meaningful minutes in the tourney. Once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk.

ku_bball_11 10 years, 10 months ago

well, i went to school at SBU and let me tell you...TA is in for a big culture shock. extremely small town, less than 2k students on campus and the home of the midwest branch of the KKK about 20 min north. hopefully none of that will affect him, but its not that great of an environment to be in. plus their fans are terrible with no knowledge of what is going on. again, best of luck TA and i hope success follows you wherever you go!

Michael Gentemann 10 years, 10 months ago

This is a message from the KU Basketball Factual Technicality Department:

Jeff Guiot played two seasons at KU but only one season, his 1983-84 sophomore season, under Larry Brown. His freshman season was under Owens.

dukehester 10 years, 10 months ago

Ty - best of luck and thank you for your time as a Jayhawk. Hope you will recall that all Jayhawks will always be Jayhawks. Good Luck. RCJGKU

KGphoto 10 years, 10 months ago

I loved interviews of Apple when he first got to KU. He was so excited and funny. I was really looking forward to seeing him work into the program. Bet he could've done some damage.

But, when grooming a champion, use a fine brush.

Good luck Charlie Murphy, you'll always have Lawrence.

swjhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Jeff Guiot was from Chanute (my home town). He was recruited by Ted Owens and played a year for him under the "walk it up" style before Owens was replaced. When Brown replaced Owens, the style went up-tempo and Jeff transferred. Success to both Appleton and the former Blue Comet.

kkoenig 10 years, 10 months ago


have you checked John Dewar's dissertation: The life and professional contributions of James Naismith (citation= a good academic/research library will have access to a microfilm/fiche copy.

voter registration records might be available for Douglas County too.

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 10 months ago

At the basketball banquet Self heaped lots of praise on Quintrell Thomas and barely mentioned Appleton.

That says it all right there.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 10 months ago

As luck would have it, my wife is in Bolivar, MO. at this moment attending SW Baptist for two weeks as part of her curriculum toward her second masters degree [Family Score: wife 2- me 0]

To say the town is small is somewhat of an understatement. Lawrence will probably look like Chicago to Tyrone in comparision. Still, TA, the best of luck and may you finish your college career with a flourish.

DSommersby 10 years, 10 months ago

Best wishes and best of luck to Tyrone. Hope you tear it up and have an awesome senior campaign. You wore the Crimson and Blue so you are always a Jayhawk!

Max Ledom 10 years, 10 months ago


I hope you were joking when you said "Otherwise, Coach Self may have to have a Tyrone Appleton kind of talk with Xavier about his future at KU with Harrison Barnes coming in."

If you weren't joking, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Matt Kenton 10 years, 10 months ago

Hawksboy, you have to understand that Jaybate is not to be taken seriously.

And please don't provoke him. He will summon all his nerd powers and unleash another barrage of comments on here that no one wants to read.

chanutejayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Guiot's a great coach. Ty couldn't have picked a better situation, although he's going to be feeling pretty bad next April when his former teammates cut down the nets in Indiana.

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago


im sure he will have mixed feelings..... but there is no way he would have played a fraction of what he will be playing for the new team...... i wish we had anotehr 20 minutes to give ....... but even that won't meter much for him....

pecking order for guards minutes.....

Sherron Tyshawn Xavier CJ Elijah Brady Tyrel Tyrone.......

Tyrel can red shirt.... Tyrone wouldn't want to..... the extra twnety minutes might get him to 5 minutes a game...... MIGHT......

Good Luck at Southwest Baptist, Tyrone.

Scott Smetana 10 years, 10 months ago

Sweet!!!! I just got my Jaybate fan club pin in the mail. You all should get one too! I'm planning on selling it on ebay later for big $$$.

Good luck Appleton... wish I could say I remember you more on the court. Sad to say I don't remember his announcement to transfer April 6th. This still means all of our scholarships are taken, right?

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

was just thinking about something.....

Whatever happened to jelani Janisse ????? Which made me think.....

Starting five what the hell where we thinking team.....

pg Jelani Janisse Sg Kenny Gregory Sf Luke Axtell Pf Lester Earl C - Eric Chenowith

any thoughts.......

jakejayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

waywardJay -- I appreciate the spirit of your list, but I feel it is a mistake to put Kenny Gregory and Eric Chenowith in such company. Both of those guys started and played significant roles for several seasons. I have never understood the animosity demonstrated (not necessarily from you wayward) from the posters towards Eric. Seems to me he came to KU, gave his best, and never did anything to dishonor our program. Just look at the postings above. Tyrone hardly had an impact and so many are saying "Once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk". Doesn't Eric deserve the same respect?

As for Gregory, he has nothing to be ashamed of. I am proud of his legacy in our program. I agree about Jelani, Luke, and Lester. They truly didn't work out. I remember Milt Newton, one of my all-time favorites, as a frosh. He was terrible! I have never been so worried watching a pass go to a player as I was with Milt. There was no way I would have ever believed he would become the talent he was. Goes to show, there is no formula or sure thing for our coaches.

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 10 months ago

Last I heard, Jelani was involved in something called "Slamball".

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


all jaybate interviews are jokes and for fun. I have never really interviewed Wilt Chamberlain's ghost, or Boulderhawk. :-)

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 10 months ago

Gregory have been playing overseas for years. That is a hell of alot better than anybody on these boards. Just because you aren't in the NBA doesn't mean you have failed. Get a life.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


Regarding KUMatt1901, you have to realize that everything KUMatt1901 says must be taken with utmost seriousness. His posts might be viewed by some as hinting at dystimia; this compels a compassionate person to take everything he says as if it were authentic, so that he does not start threatening to hurt himself. :-)

But I promise you this, when the season rolls around, KUMatt1901 will cheer up and be as loyal as any Jayhawk you ever met.

Just not quite as happy.

But that's okay.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 10 months ago

I doubt he was forced out, but clearly he was not going to get much if any playing time. Barnes over Xavier? Even if true, doesn't matter. Xavier is a one and done lottery pick unless something drastic happens.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


I refuse to be a loafer like you. I like busy, active days doing good work. Be productive, grandma always said. Idle hands make idle board rats. Get busy, dnvrhawk. You can do it.

echoing_grace 10 years, 10 months ago

As a graduate of Southwest Baptist and an avid Jayhawk fan, I am happy about Tyrone's decision to attend SBU. He will get a great education in a wonderful atmosphere and be loved immediately by all the Bearcat fans. It is going to be an awesome Spring - Jayhawks Div-I champs and Bearcats Div.-II champs!!

Matt Kenton 10 years, 10 months ago

I thought you weren't going to read my posts?

What's your story anyway Jaybate? You are by far and away the most prevalent poster on here. How do you have the time? Are you a student with the summer off? Retired? Work at a computer all day? Unemployed? Passionate? Neurotic?

I'm not trying to provoke any more juvenile attempts at insult out of you, I'm just curious as to why or how someone would have the time and motivation to do what you do. We're all die-hard KU fans or we wouldn't be checking in every day during the slowest time of year for college sports. But you take it to another level. Maybe if I know your situation, I won't be so annoyed at having to scroll past so many holy grails on here.

And I am being totally serious.

Thanks, Matt

mjlindsm 10 years, 10 months ago

Wayward, Kenny Gregory needs to come off that list. He was haunted by the Jordan comparisons from high school that nobody could ever live up to. But he was an honorable mention All-American his senior year and was a more-than-solid basketball player for the Jayhawks.

Can we replace him on your list with Deshawn Stevenson?

truefan 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't understand why you guys feel the need to attack eachother on message boards. You both cheer on the same team...just talk sports.

I wish Tyrone all the best. I expressed my sadness that he was leaving when the story broke a few months ago and I hope he does win a D II championship next season.

As for the Eric Chenowith situation, he is number 3 all time at KU for blocked shots with 242. He was frustrating to watch offensively but he has gotten way too much flack for not being the greatest big man we have ever had. The guy tried, and when it all comes down to it, he was a part of quite a few wins for KU. So he's not your or my favorite player, he's still a Jayhawk.

bpjhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

At least I'll get to see TA when he comes up to play Washburn. I was somewhat hoping Washburn and Chipman could get him, but at least I'll be able to see him play. SBU and Washburn is developing into a good rivalry. Guiot's a good guy. I played football with him in High school.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 10 months ago


Do you want to know James Naismith and Phog Allen political preference so you can decide on which way to swing. If that is true I think James was a Republican as was Phog. Please go with the Pubs I don't know if the Dems could handle you bro. Also I think Michael Jackson was a Republican as well.

mjlindsm 10 years, 10 months ago

"As for the Eric Chenowith situation, he is number 3 all time at KU for blocked shots with 242. He was frustrating to watch offensively but he has gotten way too much flack for not being the greatest big man we have ever had. The guy tried..."

That, I think, is the problem. I don't remember him trying that hard. He didn't work on his game to improve over the summers. He was busy with his own music and following the Dave Matthews band around (no knock on Dave, I love the music). He actually seemed to get worse with time, culminating in, if memory serves, 0 field goals with only 2 attempts in his final game in the loss to Illinois in the tournament. He got dominated by the smaller and less athletic Robert Archibald because Archibald gave effort and Chenowith didn't. This was the end of the downward slope that was Chenowith's career/effort that started at the end of his Sophomore year.

Chenowith did not appear to give the effort to better himself and his team, and this is why he takes so much heat.

With that said, I still don't get why people dog Kenny Gregory. There's a guy who gave all he had, just didn't live up to unfair expectations.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


As with Popeye, I yam what I yam.

And I am being totally serious. :-)

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

wow such negative commentary... i riled some folks up.....

Jelani , Axtell and earl ( interstingly enough Lester and LUKE had far much COLLEGE success at other schools than chenowith or gregory at ours...... ) no one disputes..... the debate as who is the worst " what was i thinking moment....." then.....

Gregory you may have me on..... im incredibly harsh on KG because he had completely falled off the truck for us.......

Great McD's all American game.... great shooter there that never in 4 years materialized as a Hawk..... you would think though that the Mcd's game was not an abberation.....

Very athletic, excellent dunker.... couldn't shoot a lick..... didn't really play much defense.....

No WAY can you convince me on Eric Chenowith..... who not only had NO offensive game, but he lacked intesity on the defensive end.... and my MOTHER of all people pitied poor Eric because he's 7 foot tall and he looked scared all the time.... we might as well had a 5'10 kid in panda suit downlow.... he also never showd up in teh D-League..... he probably was assumed to be someone who would GET fierce....... but no one ever instilled it in him..... no one ever found that pilot light......

if your 7 foot and you cannot consistantly own one end of the court... you have no business being on a 5 star university.....

Infact ... you can't really convince me on Gregory either, now that i think about it..... i keep going back on the years i have watched Kansas Basketball and i seemingly remember everyone have that game where they lived up to their potential... even if it was just a spark .... I see none of that in gregory....

Yeah he had alot of pressure.... but there's no excuse for someone with a 39 inch vertical leap not to dominate the game 1 time in 4 years at college.... he was alefty which means he should have been able to do more off the dribble ...especially against weaker teams...i cannot think of one performance where i thought... this is his coming out party......

At least Axtell kille dus in Texas the year he was there.... and lester had a couple 15+ games where he looked like he was a beast..... in 3 years of college both of those kids had games where they showed the spark of what they could become..... i cannot say the same for Gregory or Chenowith.....

When my mom call syou soft.... that's sad....

Finally, In no way is this intended to OFFEND those mentioned on the's meant to show that we have not always been right with the personnel decisions we have made..... no one is perfect... and guessing from the fact no one offered any counter points..... that while my list might have caused a few migranes....

now the counter list.... Most undervalued Jayhawks.....

Pg- Ryan Robertson Sg- Steve Woodberry Sf- Brady Morningstar Pf- Darnell Jackson C - Mark Randall

Any thoughts ?

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

AS for the negativity towards percived negativity...... These kids are offered scholarships to play basketball at one of the best venues around the nation.... iwth the best fan base they can ever hope for..... When visiting teams come to the Phog, they bear witness because someday they will tell there kids they played at basketball heaven.......

They are given the priviledge to play for Kansas.... wiht that priviledge there is responsibilty.... being the best you can be......

dribbling the ball off your feet, forgeetting to shoot free throws DURING THE GAME, caring more about your music career, caring more about pot than school books, and generally being a jerk to fans....... if that's they best they can do.... we made a mistake in thinking they were our caliber...... or they made the mistake of not trying hard enough.....

there is no exemption for that..... for every slacker there are 3-4 guys who max their capabilities and still cannot play.... TJ Whatley ? Jeremy Case who would have killed to have those chances..... it's not a disdain thing.... it's taking advantage of what they have been given that causes me to think " what were we thinking..."

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

after posting this list im having strong considerations for Alex Galindo and Christian Moody....

Offering a second team of

pg- Adonis Jordan sg-Michael Lee sf-Alex Galindo pf- Christian Moody c- Eric Pauley

Tony Bandle 10 years, 10 months ago

Hints on my friend, Jaybate:

1] A man of letters...obviously. 2] Treats posters with respect when respect deserved..and vice versa. 3] Although claims not to have been an athlete, very sports savvy. 4] Skis a lot, therefore lives in CO., UT, or has a big hill in his back yard. 5] Has evidenced knowledge that indicates he will never see 50 again ...[and maybe sixty, like me] 6] Understands what a haiku is, recognizes eecummings and sometimes makes me look up words!! 7] Has a permanent medical condition called tongueness plantis in cheekis firm. 8] And even though we have never met, I consider him a friend.

Matt Kenton 10 years, 10 months ago

Thanks Oakville.

I'll take a little exception to #2. He's a little over-aggressive anytime somone takes a jab at him for his long and numerous posts. Makes sense that he wasn't an athlete, and reminds me of someone who got picked on as a kid and is trying to get back as an adult. Maybe it's a Napoleon Complex. Dnvrhawk says "go back to bed" because he has FOUR successive posts before 5 am and he comes back at him with some snide and condescending comment.

Anyway, I've got no problem with Jaybate's passion and interest in the nuances of KU sports, I just think he needs to start a blog or post on the message boards.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


I have no problem with your passion and interest in nuances of KU sports either, I just think you are a little over-aggressive about suggesting where I ought to post. ;-)

I have a better idea. Set a good example for all of us. You start a blog or post on the message boards. Then come back when the season starts and rejoin the fun. :-)

Note: Don't do it, KUMatt2001! Stay in the fray. Learn to love sports democracy at its finest.!

Rock chalk!

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


Here is what I wish for Matt Kleinmann more than fame, or wealth, in his profession (and I wish both of these for him): I wish that he will retain the expansiveness of heart and the generosity of spirit that you have retained, while practicing your honorable profession for many years; this is the greatest gift of all both for him and for the society that he architects buildings for (note: tongue out of cheek).

Rock chalk!

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

And of course that flaming bright red hair ..... right Jaybate ?

Matt Kenton 10 years, 10 months ago

Okay, I'm done wasting time with this.

Whatever makes you happy, Jaybate.

jaybate 10 years, 10 months ago


Yes, I also hope that he avoids male pattern baldness and keeps a full shock of the flaming bright red hair. :-)

waywardJay 10 years, 10 months ago

nothing like a 6 10 guy with a big flop of Red hair....... it's like a personable Bill walton.... a studious Bill walton.... it's like bill walton if he actually tried in college and wasn't an arrogant jerk

FairgroveJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Appleton's transfer made the Springfield 10pm news last night. I'll have to check his game this season.

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