Monday, January 26, 2009

Gary Bedore’s KU basketball notebook


More on Brackins

Kansas University coach Bill Self said Sunday he could not remember a player having a better game against one of his teams than Iowa State sophomore Craig Brackins had Sunday.

The 6-foot-10 Brackins scored 42 points off 11-of-19 shooting and 17-of-21 free throwing in KU’s 15-point victory.

“After thinking about it, I don’t think anybody ever has gotten 42,” Self said. “Beasley had 39. Arthur Johnson 37. Durant something like 35, 37.”

Kansas State’s Michael Beasley scored 39 in KU’s 88-74 victory over KSU on March 1, 2008, in Allen Fieldhouse. Johnson had 37 in KU’s 84-82 victory over Missouri on March 7, 2004, in Columbia, Mo. Kevin Durant had 37 in KU’s 88-84 overtime victory over Texas on March 11, 2007, in Oklahoma City.

Also, Missouri’s Thomas Gardner had 40 in KU’s 89-86 loss to the Tigers on Jan. 16, 2006, in Columbia.

“They said he was the best performer in the country yesterday on ESPN’s late night (hoops) show,” Self said of Brackins. “If he is not a first-team all-Big 12 player going into our game, I think he is going to have a lot of people vote him on that team, including me. He played well yesterday. He was the biggest stud in our league yesterday.”

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The Jayhawks will meet Nebraska at 6:30 p.m Wednesday at Devaney Center in Lincoln, Neb.


hometownhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Duh. ISU could use a player like Collins or Aldrich.

yates33333 10 years, 12 months ago

KU could use a power forward. Of course, Brackins is the ideal. We could use a pretty good one.

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 12 months ago

Didn't Brackins almost transfer out of ISU last year?

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 12 months ago

he had one of those home, vs a name opponent....and his team still lost by 15.i would not make him out to be the next Larry Bird.

Timmay97 10 years, 12 months ago

I'm sorry, but when you have to score 75% of your teams points just to keep them in the game, that ain't right. Brackins is a gifted kid, with size and a beautiful touch. I commend him for keeping his team in the game. It was a terrific performance! Having said the above, one guy can't (nor shouldn't) beat a team and KU proved this. This is why Self is such a great coach. It's a team that's going to win you the championships, not one guy. You need someone to step up and hit that last second shot (ala Chalmers) but other than that, it's got to be all 5 guys. How Brackins ended up at Iowa State is beyond me. That kid has got some talent!

FlaHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

I feel the point about Brackins is tht KU has a whole at power forward. The twins and Thomas are way to immature to guard him before they foul out in 5 trips down the floor apiece. Little is to small to guard Brackins and Aldrich is not mobile enough. Both would et into serious foul trouble.NOTE: Brackins shot 21 FTs on Saturday.KU played some zone but did not seem to stop Brackins. Wait until the Griffin boys and Willie Warren from OU show up on KU schedule. I hope HCBS has something in the works because the same old smae old will not work against a good PF whcih Brackins is, but he is not a 42 points per game guy. KU gave him 17 at the charity stripe alone.

Timmay97 10 years, 12 months ago

FlaHawk.....I don't think Brackins and Griffin are a fair comparison. Griffin does NOT pose the outside threat that Brackins does. KU will be more than happy to let Griffin shoot threes or from the free throw lane and beyond. He's not as fluent on the perimeter as Brackins is. KU will do the same thing to Griffin as they did last year. Use up all 20 fouls (and then some) they can give to him. Neither of the Griffin boys have much of a perimeter game. They are both strong, aggressive and have GREAT leaping ability. What KU needs to worry about more than anything against OU would the boards.As for Warren......lets just hope that Morningstar does to him what he did to Chase Budinger, Josh Carter, etc......kid can play D. One game at a time though. Lets get through Nebraska!

Jason Pearce 10 years, 12 months ago

I don't think Durant needed 17 free throws to get his 37. Brackins is terriffic, but not as good as Durant was at Texas night after night.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

(Warning: what follows is a what-if analysis of the ISU game. If you don't like what-if analysis, don't read it for this one might really infuriate you. If you like such analysis, read on.)The ISU game is a good one for considering what ifs, and counter factual inference, in order to assess whether KU is really 15 points better than ISU in Hilton, or whether KU just enjoyed a good shooting day and ISU a pitiful one, or whether Greg McDermott chose an inappropriate shot distribution for ISU that kept ISU from beating KU on Brackins' seemingly exceptional day?Let's immediately stipulate that, yes, KU plays exceptionally good D and so teams often shoot poorly against KU. But the truth is that teams often shoot really well against KU, too. ISU is a three-point shooting team. They like to put up 20-25 treys a game. In this one they put up 26, so they were playing more or less in character. They just weren't dropping. Let me also stake a claim that may surprise and even outrage some. I don't think Brackins had such a great game, even though he scored 42 points. I think he had a good game, not a great one. He was 11 of 19 from the floor; that is a good day, not a great one. He was 3 of 5 from trey; that is a very good day, but again not a great one. He had 12 boards; that is a good day, but not a great one. Brackins also shot 17 of 21, or 81% from the FT stripe. Since I can shoot .80 from the FT stripe as an out of shape, 55 year old man, I view this as a good, but not great day of free throw shooting, especially for a good shooter like Brackins. In short, what I am saying is: Brackins could have games like this not infrequently, if he were to play against opponents so mismatched against him that they fouled him this often, and if his coach were to have him shoot this much.With these two points in mind--ISU had a cold shooting day from trey and Brackins had a good, but not great game despite his big points scored--lets now consider the what ifs and see if we can make any informative counterfactual inferences.Looking at the shooting percentages, again, KU was very fortunate KU had a good day from three (46%, 6 of 13) and ISU had a bad one (23%, 6 of 26). Had ISU shot KU's trey percentage, something ISU will do probably about as frequently as KU will, ISU would have made about 12 threes, or 6 more threes than they in fact made. 6 x 3 = 18 points. Maybe KU won by only 15. Well maybe ISU got some stick backs on the misses, so the improvement is not quite 18 pts. We can't be too fine about this. The point is: combine Brackins' good day with a good day at the trey and McDermott had a game plan that probably would have yielded a close game and maybe a W. And if KU had had a less sterling day from trey, ISU probably would have won.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

What do we get to infer from the above? First, it suggests that while KU is probably a better team than ISU, it is not so good that on a night that ISU shoots well and KU does not that KU could still expect to win--in ISU's crib, anyway. This insight is not only sobering, but surprising, too, at least to me. ISU seems to be a pretty weak team based on past performance and just looking at their players, excepting Brackins, they don't look like they could beat their way out of a paper bag. Yet that ISU team could easily have beaten KU in Ames had three point shooting percentages tilted differently, while still staying within their typical ranges for both teams.But another way to look at this from a what-if POV is: McDermott may have goofed by opting to shoot so many treys. Imagine if McDermott had given Brackins 10-15 more shots and sharply cut back the other players threes. Brackins himself was 3 of 5 on treys. He was 17 of 21 at the stripe. He was 11 of 19 overall. Marcus fouled out. Little and Kieff were at 4 and 3 fouls respectively. It is not hard to imagine Brackins taking 10-15 more shots and scoring 12 to 18 more points, and fouling out Marcus, Kieff and Little, which would have forced Self to guard Brackins with Cole sooner, which would have raised Cole's fouling, which would have made Cole less productive, and which would have reduced Marcus, Kieff and Little's scoring as well. Fouling out Marcus, Kieff and Little with say ten minutes to go in the second half would have taken KU completely out of its game. KU would have been playing on the road with a hamstrung Cole, Travis Releford and Quintrell Thomas. And ISU would still have had all its regulars.What can we infer from this?Again, while KU is probably the better team, if McDermott had gone ahead and gone all the way to his strength--Brackins, Brackins enjoyed such a mismatch advantage that he probably could have scored 55 to 65 points, and decimated KU with fouling and ISU could probably have won by avoiding its awful three point shooting day, and could have done this even though KU shot 46% from trey. Had KU shot poorly from trey, ISU might have won handily this way.But none of the above happened. If ifs and buts were candy and why should we care?

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

We should care, because the above what-ifs easily could have happened.We should care, because these what-ifs dramatize just how big of a hole KU has at the 4 right now, and how problematic that hole is when we run into a very good 4 having a good to very good day. We should care, because opposing coaches with good 4s are going to study this game tape and see that a relatively weak team at home could have beaten KU with not much more than a strong 4.We should care, because another team with a significantly stronger supporting cast than ISU had and a strong 4 the grade of Brackins, or better, would make life a living hell for this KU team.Time to shore up the four. Little is a potentially wonderful three that can't handle a 4 the quality of Brackins. Kieff just seems like his game is two years away now. This season is coming down to Marcus Morris. Sherronatron has fulfilled expectations. He is dominant. Cole can increasingly play with the big dogs, even if he can't always dominate them. Brady is proven glue with a 46% trey. Tyshawn is in and out of focus, but increasingly seems to be able to at least play opponents at the 2 to a stand off. Little provides big league depth at 3 or 4. So: Marcus is the question mark...the hole in the dike that little Dutch boy Bill Self has constantly to stick a finger in to stop a flood. Marcus is the one who has to develop quite a bit more for this team to have a chance to be as good as it can be this year.Marcus Morris, this much improvement is a very tall order for a freshman.Marcus Morris, being the crucial piece standing between a team reaching its full potential and being an also ran is too much to ask of a freshman.Marcus Morris, life is not fair.Marcus Morris, it is all on your shoulders now, pal.Marcus Morris, opportunity knocks.Marcus Morris, answer.Find your game.Jayhawk nation is behind you.

jasonsgill 10 years, 12 months ago

I think that having a good rebounding day, a very good day from three, a good day in the post and good day on the stripe does, in fact, become a great day; the sum being greater than the parts.But even if you don't consider him to have had a great day, I think the realization that-- if a team's best player has the game of his life and the rest of the team plays up to and above their potential-- this KU team could lose a BIG XII road game is not anything particularly insightful. What I think is more to the point is that freshman are by nature streaky players, who rely a lot on confidence and momentum to contribute. In an arena that has historically been a bane to KU in general (although certainly not Bill Self in particular) we can expect that the confidence of our three young fours (MkM, McM, QT) would be fragile going in, if not shattered by their first REAL taste of BIG XII road play.Despite having fallen into the black hole of ridiculous expectations, the play of our three freshman bigs, if examined closely enough, emanates a subtle stream of potential, quanta of hope, dim, but powerful enough to conquer even the darkest doubts. QT and Marcus combined for 10 boards against a team that gives up nothing in size. QT, Marcus and Markieff prevented Brackins from getting good deep position in the paint, 'holding' him to 8-14 within the stripe.The point of this being, not that these young kids did well, but that if this is the worst they have to give in their first true BIG XII road game, we're not doing too bad.

Craig Lang 10 years, 12 months ago

I just wanted to point out, just because I have not seen it acknowledged anywhere else, that Notre Dame's loss to UConn this weekend makes KU's active home winning streak the longest in the nation, which hopefully will last for awhile (knock on wood). KU's last home loss was the '07 loss to Texas A & M two seasons ago. Congrats, Jayhawks! Fortunately, the loss to UMass in Kansas City last month does not count as a home loss, according to the NCAA!

John Brown 10 years, 12 months ago

Morris Bros need to really step it up. Neither looks like they know where they are supposed to be on the floor. They don't finish at the rim. They need to create a drill for this. Have Adrich and Withy hanging on them and make them go up and make 50 shots in a row.

not_important 10 years, 12 months ago

I don't think anyone would have thought that Rayford Young's 41 points for Texas Tech in '99, when he pretty much single-handedly beat us, was not a great night because 18 of those points came from the line. They would spread out and he would drive to the bucket seeming to score when he wanted and get fouled every time he didn't score. We couldn't do anything to stop it. That was the same thing with Brackins on Saturday. When you can't stop a guy, you get a little frustrated and foul, or in nicer terms, you get more aggressive and hope you can get away with it. The ability to draw fouls is a productive skill set.Durant didn't shoot one free throw in his 32 point outing at the Fieldhouse and shot 10-of-11 from the line in his 37 point game in the Big 12 Tourney. I'm actually a little surprised at how many FTs he had in the second game because he never seemed to want to get down and dirty inside. Most of his work came from the outside or after grabbing rebounds. He never seemed like he wanted to attract contact. Now that is probably not true overall, but that is the impression I have of his games.The fact that Brackins was able to get fouls on us and get to the line shows that he was aggressive and should not diminish his effort. I believe it shows a well-rounded game.That being said, I'm glad he didn't get the same result as Young or Gardner who both got 40+ and won. We seemed to have gone back to Big 8 conference days stopping Rutherford and Peeler from winning their 40+ point games.

caddie733 10 years, 12 months ago

jaybate...I would have to agree with jasonsgill that as a whole, Brackins had a great day. Your analysis does not outrage me, but it does take away from a great (not just a good) performance. On a given day, shooting 11 for 19 would not cause a stir. Shooting 3 of 5 from 3s would constitute a nice shooting performance from the outside (especially from a 6'10" forward). Having 14 (not 12) rebounds would be a very solid (not just good) rebounding day. Shooting 17 for 21 on fts would be, in my opinion, a great day from the line (while I congratulate you for being able to shoot 80% from the line yourself, I doubt it comes in an arena with 15,000 people while under game pressure as the only scorer for your team and feeling fatigue and other effects from the game). I venture a guess that most players shoot free throws better in practice than they do in games. Add to this, Brackins only had 2 turnovers, which is great, for the amount of time the ball was in his hands.All of these stats viewed individually may not cause a head to turn, but putting them all together, coming from one player, against a fairly competent defensive team adds up to a pretty special day. Being only 1 point short of a Big 12 record is a pretty great day.

kuballa09 10 years, 12 months ago

jaybate, you got a lot of time on your hands...

Trey Hohman 10 years, 12 months ago

Given the state of our ecomony, why are nickels bigger than dimes? -- That being said, I love Sheron's play lately. He is taking much better shots while allowing "Morningstat-line" to hit some lovely jumpers & contribute more in greater stretches...-- I agree with the assessment of lots on this site, in that Marcus has to learn how to be a stronger/lock-down defender while not allowing himself to show the emotion of a Spanish-soap actress when he commits silly fouls.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

kuballa09,would that it were so, dude, would that it were so.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Props to lhohman3 for working Spanish soap actresses into this thread. I for one find them very hot and and could not, frankly, have made it through the Bush Plague Decade Minus Two without them. :-)

Ben Kane 10 years, 12 months ago

lhohman3, while your at it...why even have the penny...if recollection serves me it costs a little more than a cent to make too.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

caddie733, not_important,jasongill,The shared logic among you distills to: x+x+x+x=(4x*2)Brackins did so many good things, they added up to a great day.To me they just add up to 4x, or a good day.Any good player with a mismatch can score just about as many points as his coach will let him.One of you mentioned Kevin Durant having a big day against us once with hardly a free throw, and another time shooting a ton of free throws. To me, the game Durant had without the free throws is the great game. He was an efficient scoring machine in the low foul game. It is a lot tougher to score contested field goals than uncontested free throws, if you are a good shooter. Guys who go ten for ten in a game plus do all the other things well are having great games.Guys who shoot contantly against mismatches, and shoot about 50 percent, and get fouled a lot, are having good games and are going to get a ton of points no matter what.Wilt Chamberlain proved this time and again.When his coaches asked him to, he could spend entire seasons scoring 40-50 ppg, but these were not technically his great games. I would argue that even his 100 point game was not one of his masterpieces. They were just Wilt pulling the sled all by himself, rather than distributing the load among all five players.Wilt's greatest games came when the rest of his team was doing its job, and he went off on a highly efficient tear against some great defender like Bill Russell. This happened on his great 76er team, when he scored quite a lot, and on his Laker teams, when he simply reached heights of efficiency never exceeded before or since.Greatness equals prolific efficiency to me.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Brackins point total was achieved by doing a large share of his team's shooting and shooting slightly over 50 percent. If his shooting had been spread around among all his team mates and his team had shot about 50%, we would all say: well, ISU shot pretty well today. No one would say, wow, ISU shot 50% and that was one of the great performances of the season, or one of the great performances in all of the Self years. Brackin also shot 80 percent from the FT stripe, a good but not great percentage for a good free throw shooter. There are FT shooters who have averaged about 80% for their careers.So: where is the greatness here, the prolific efficiency here?Now, if Brackin had scored 42 on Cole, or if Brackin scored 42 on Blake Griffin, or if Brackin scored 42 on that beast on Pitt, or on Psycho T, well, then I would be more inclined to say Brackins had a great day at 50% FG and 80% FT. But even then, if Brackins did it by basically doing the lions share of the shooting for his teammates, he would still just be equalling what a team playing well together would have done otherwise, at least regarding FG shooting.But the experienced 6'10" Brackins got his 42 against struggling 6'8" frosh Marcus Morris, foundering 6'9" frosh Markieff Morris, and poorly conditioned, one-and-a-half-legged 6'5" Mario Little.Great game? I still don't think so, but I understand everyone's inclination to say otherwise. We put such a huge emphasis on total points scored as an indication of performance. It is hard to say a guy who drained 42 didn't play great.And Coach Self is standing around saying what a stud the guy was. Coach Self ought to know, right?

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

You bet he does. Coach Self knows that it doesn't mean squat for a guy to score 42 points if he's scoring them at about the same efficiency that an opponent would score them with all five players participating in the scoring. This is why Coach Self basically let Brackins have at it. Brackins guarded one on one by mismatched defenders was not an efficient enough scorer to really do any significant damage. Frankly, Coach Self was saying, "Brackins isn't efficient enough to beat us, even when he is guarded by our guys who are weak defenders."His post game comments about what a stud Brackins was and about what a phenomenal peformance it was is a mind game. Self knows KU has to play ISU in Lawrence again in a month. Coach Self is sewing the seed in Brackins that you can't play any better than this kid. You shot your wad and you still couldn't beat us. Self is betting Brackins reads press clippings, when he wins player of the week. Self is shaping the game space for a month from now. Self wants Brackins coming into that game thinking he can't do any better than he did and wondering how in heck ISU can beat KU when he has a regular game against KU. The last thing Self wants to do is cop to the plea that he gave Brackins his points in a classic basketball move where he opted instead to shut down the rest of ISU. Self already denied doing it. But of course he did. And of course he is blowing smoke up Brackins caboose. What is Coach Self's favorite line to all his players? Always think about the next play.

jasonsgill 10 years, 12 months ago

You make plenty of good points. I have only a few comments; I can do no more than attempt to be Oscar Wilde to your Balzac. x+x+x+x = 4.001x in some cases, and that residue, however miniscule, tends to greatness.If you watch a game and the defining narrative is the performance of a single player, you have a glimpse of greatness.Maybe greatness can never be seen in the ashes of defeat, but I don't believe that.Bill self is a smart guy, but intelligence here doesn't belie sincerity in that post game interview; I believe he thought that Brackins was the best player in the country on that day and that is greatness, if even only for a moment.

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

jaybate,I doubt that ISU's efficiency as a team would approach 51%. I think our team defense allows about a 40% average and ISU is far below an 'average' team that we have played. So I think distributing Brackins' shots to other shooters would be a lose-lose situation. I think ISU shooting 51% against our defense would have been a very good night for them.I have to say that I think you are minimizing Brackins' game. 42pts, 51%, 80% FT, 12 reb's, I didn't see a turnover stat, but I don't remember him having many. He played above average in all areas of his game. Some players might get 42 on a terrible shooting night, or might shoot 80% FG and get 14 points, but few would or could do it all in one game. I agree that he had an advantage over his opposition except when Cole was on him, but how many players play on both ends when they are having a very good offensive game? Or when his team can't seem to get closer than 10 points?Think of it this way, when was the last time KU had an individual player have that kind of night???? We've had some very good players over the last 20 years, but I would say that similar performances by KU players have been rare, if not non-existent. Yes, we play a more 'team' oriented game, which should only comfirm that Brackins had a very good individual performance.The individual performance that sticks out in my mind is Collison's performance against Syracuse in the NC game. He didn't have 42 points, he did have more rebounds, he shot terribly from the FT line, or we might have another banner hanging in the rafters. So, I think that trivializing Brackins game by saying it is good but not great, seems a bit spoil-sport...IMO

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

kvskubball,I sure don't mean to be a spoil sport by following a line of reasoning, and if that is the impression I have left, then I have failed and I apologize.RankPtsPlayerPosClassDateOpponent152Wilt ChamberlainCSo12-3-56Northwestern250Bud StallworthFSr2-26-72Missouri346John DouglasGJr2-16-77Iowa State346Wilt ChamberlainCJr2-8-58Nebraska545Wilt ChamberlainCJr12-30-57Colorado644B. H. BornCJr3-2-53Colorado644Clyde LovelletteCSr3-22-52St. Louis842Terry BrownGSr1-5-91North Carolina State842Danny ManningFJr3-15-87Southwest Missouri State842Walt WesleyCJr12-12-64Loyola (IL)842Clyde LovelletteCSr12-14-51Southern Methodist

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

jaybate,I am Definitely NOT saying you are a spoil-sport. Just that this single thread seems to be a tad so!Thanks for the individaul scoring totals. I had forgotten about Terry Brown's outing against NC State, but my guess that such performances as Brackins' were rare for KU players in the last twenty years, seems to be close to the mark, since there has only been one in that period. I would count a 42 point performance as being a superlative scoring outing, if only 11 KU players have reached that mark in 50+ years. If we were able to look at these outings in more detail, I would be surprised if more than a few showed comparable statistics across all aspects of each player's game to Brackins, and that is why I think in this case avg x + avg y + suplerlative z = more than avg total - IMO! But I also admit that there is no intrinsic flaw in your logic. I'm going to have to say that I am somewhat less logical than you - Mr. Spock (The title is given as a compliment and in recognition of your true ability in that area - and I admit with a little humor as well!) Live long and prosper!

jasonsgill 10 years, 12 months ago

My biggest issue with fans in general this year is high expectations that are exercised in such a way as to downplay the success we are seeing in the development of our young guys. For instance, jay, I totally agree that this team would be one of top teams in the country THIS year if we had a four of the caliber of Darnell Jackson or Darrel Arthur. But the truth is that even last year Cole and Sasha were putting up numbers comparable to what the Marcus is doing (As A FRESHMAN):Cole: 2.8 pts, 3 rbs, 1.2 pfs in 8.3min, which in 40min is 13.5 pts, 14.5rbs, 5.7 pfsSasha: 7.1 pts, 3.9rbs, 2.4 pf in 17.7minMarcus: 7.5pts, 5.2rbs, 2.4pf in 18.8min, which in 40 min is 15.9pts, 11.1rbs, 5.1 pfsNow, Cole wasn't a starter last year, but to me, the fact that Marcus can put up comparable numbers to Cole while playing more than twice the minutes means he has some outstanding potential. The fact that he is putting up nearly the same numbers as a guy who got drafted last year, as a Freshman, means that everyone who is going into conniptions over his play needs to chill out (disclaimer- I know his efficiency isn't where Sasha was, but he's a *** freshman people!!!!)

Chris Teegarden 10 years, 12 months ago

jasonsgillThat's really the exact way that we should all be looking at it not only are those very encouraging for next year but he is really almost where we want him to be for now.

addlime 10 years, 12 months ago

I don't need 5 pages to explain why Brackins had a great game. He was unstoppable. Those weren't easy shots in the context of the offensive. In other words, the game wasn't coming to him (when guys usually shoot a decent percentage). Alot of those makes were hard, contested shots. Quit over analyzing the box score and watch the game. Eye test---Brackins was great!!!

kuwillkillit 10 years, 12 months ago

Remember when everyone was saying," if reed and morningstar are still playing in january were screwed". Analizing and worring so deeply into this season is silly, its like a rocking chair it gives you something to do, but gets you nowhere. I think the seasons going great and i for one think this team is going to go far come tourney time. And even a big XII title is not out of arms reach. Anyway does anyone know what happend to the Women of KU calender i cant find one anywhere.

caddie733 10 years, 12 months ago

Just one last rebuttal to jaybate about Brackins (just got home to check for a response)...Brackins Stats: 42 pts, 58% fg (much closer to 60%, which is a good percentage), 81% ft, 60% 3pt, 14 rebounds (not only 12), 2 turnoversThat is a great line, no matter who is defending you.Also, it is not necessarily correct to say he scored so much because he took so many of ISU's shots...Brackins took 19 of 55 team field goal attempts (35% of the team's shots)Sherron took 19 of 61 team field goal attempts (31% of the team's shots)Not much difference there, Sherron accounted for nearly as many of KU's shots as Brackins did for ISU. Brackins displayed scoring ability from the inside and the outside, and shooting nearly 60% is decently efficient.

caddie733 10 years, 12 months ago

I do realize that the free throws come in to play when comparing Sherron to Brackins (as far as % of shots), however, the ability to get to the line and convert can account for a player being unstoppable.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

caddie733,White flag. I surrender. You cracked me with the facts, finally, as one should.I miscalculated his shooting percentage. I had him at 52% or something like that. But a guy hitting 59% all over the floor is shooting efficiently.The other decisive stat is Sherron was shooting almost as large of a percentage of his team's shots and only wound up with 26 points. Thanks for regrinding my lenses, so I could see this.Brackins had a great day and he was not doing all the shooting.But I have a question for you and everyone else.Refresh me. When a person shoots a shot and is fouled and it does not go in, is it ruled a missed FG attempt, or is it not counted as a FG attempt at all? You probably see where this is heading.If a shot missed because of a foul were not counted as a FG, then, of course, Brackins took a lot more than 19 shots. He had 21 free throw attempts, afterall, which would indicate a lot more than 19 touches. And this in turn would indicate that Brackins was actually shooting a much larger percentage of his team's shots than Sherron was.But I suspect a missed shot with a foul is counted as a missed FGA, in which case Brackins and Sherron were each carrying a similar load of the shooting.Dang! I used to know this. The mind is going.

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

Jaybate,I know you're pulling my leg. If my recollection is correct, a missed shot taken when a foul is committed is not counted as a FG attempt....Roughly (very) take the 21 ft attempts and divide by two (80% shooting means he didn't miss many, if any 1-and-1's), which is either 10 or 11 additional shot attempts, even if they weren't counted as such. Still, 42 total points on 30 shots works out to approx. 1.4 points per shot, which I think is a good average (and that is if you count the ones on which fouls where made). Somebody keeps a stat like this - PPS, I'll see if I can track it down.As always, the trading of opinions is entertaining and often educational (gasp!)!

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