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Originally published January 24, 2009 at 11:40a.m., updated January 24, 2009 at 05:14p.m.

FINAL: Collins ties career-high with 26 points as Jayhawks take down Cyclones, 82-67

Kansas guard Sherron Collins puts up a three-pointer over Iowa State guard Diante Garrett during the second half, Saturday, Jan. 24, 2009 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas guard Sherron Collins puts up a three-pointer over Iowa State guard Diante Garrett during the second half, Saturday, Jan. 24, 2009 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

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Reader poll

Which role player had the best game for the Jayhawks against Iowa State?

  • Brady Morningstar 29% 109 votes
  • Mario Little 47% 175 votes
  • Tyrel Reed 16% 63 votes
  • Quintrell Thomas 6% 25 votes

372 total votes.

Audio clips

2009 KU-ISU Jan. 24

Reader poll

Was Sherron Collins' first half against Iowa State his best half as a Jayhawk?

  • Yes 68% 113 votes
  • No 20% 34 votes
  • Undecided 10% 18 votes

165 total votes.

Reader poll

Which Big 12 North team has the best home-court advantage (other than KU)?

  • Iowa State 37% 762 votes
  • Nebraska 9% 204 votes
  • Kansas State 4% 101 votes
  • Colorado 1% 26 votes
  • Missouri 46% 960 votes

2053 total votes.

KU scoring

Collins 26 (10-for-19 shooting), Aldrich 16, Taylor 10, Reed 10, Little 9 (4-for-4 shooting), Morningstar 9, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 31-for-61 from the floor (50.8 percent), 6-for-13 from three (46.2 percent) and 14-for-18 from the free-throw line (77.8 percent).

KU out-rebounded ISU, 39-31, and had 11 turnovers to the Cyclones' nine.

FINAL: KU wins 82-67

You don’t see this often: ISU has to foul five times to get KU to one-and-ones. Up to that point, KU had 10 fouls to ISU’s two.

From high in the rafters, the “Rock Chalk” chant rains down with two minutes left.

Craig Brackins checks out with 40 seconds left. His 42 points are a career high and also the high for the Big 12 this season.

KU comes away with a 15-point road victory.

KU 73/ISU 60 — 2:49 left in game

KU is having problems in half-court sets. Aldrich misses a pair of shots inside, and Brackins — why not? — hits another three from the top. That’s 38 points and 3-for-4 shooting from deep.

Aldrich gets KU a big bucket, as he follows a Collins miss with a stickback jam. That quiets down what was a raucous crowd.

Collins penetrates with the shot clock running down, pitching out to Reed for a three. Reed screams out to the crowd in excitement.

Collins goes one-on-one the next possession, getting to the lane before hitting a 10-foot fallaway. Self claps for his team, which looks to have proven that it will be tough enough to win this game.

KU 66/ISU 55 — 7:42 left in game

KU has hit a run of three turnovers in four possessions. ISU only gets four points closer.

ISU fans are chanting, “Harrison! Barnes!” across the gym during a timeout. Don’t think they want their hometown boy going anywhere else.

Charles Boozer (a dead-ringer in the face of older brother Carlos) makes a pair of free throws.

Another turnover by Collins. He’s having a poor second half. Little, meanwhile, picks up his fourth foul on a touch call inside. KU has eight fouls to ISU’s two this half.

KU 62/ISU 47 — 11:35 left in game

Brackins hits a turn-around from the baseline, giving him his 30th point. It’s his fourth 30-point game as a Cyclone, and he’s only a sophomore.

Morningstar once again contributes on the defensive end, poking the ball away before throwing ahead to Aldrich. Though I think Morningstar would have beat him in a race to the rim, Aldrich still has enough steam to get to the basket for a thunder jam.

KU 56/ISU 44 — 15:34 left in game

KU shows great post moves to start the half.

Little starts with an up-and-under, finishing with a left-handed layup. Collins gets a pass on a cut to the basket, and he lays one in. On the next possession, Aldrich powers his way to the rim for a tough two.

Taylor gets a steal and puts in a one-handed stuff. Later, Morningstar drains a 16-footer in transition.

KU’s starting to pull away, and ISU isn’t the kind of team that has the firepower to come back from a big deficit.

KU scoring

Collins 18 (7-for 11 shooting, 3-for-4 from three-point range), Morningstar 7, Taylor 6, Little 6 (3-for-3 shooting), Aldrich 4, Reed 3.

KU made 16 of 32 shots (50 percent), 7 of 10 free throws (70 percent) and 5 of 8 threes (62.5 percent).

ISU was 11-for-26 from the floor (42.3 percent, 12-for-13 from the free-throw line (92.3 percent) and 4-for-12 from three (33.3 percent).

KU out-rebounded ISU, 17-16, in the first half. KU had five turnovers to ISU’s six.

Halftime thoughts

• Some games seem like they are blowouts when they aren’t. This game, to me, has been the opposite.

Just when I think ISU has almost taken the lead, I look up and KU’s still up by 6-8 points. It’s the same at halftime, and a lot of the credit can go to Collins.

• Without question, that’s the best I’ve seen Collins play this season, especially in the first 12 minutes. He was confident in his shot and into the game on both ends. KU will need more energy from him in the second half.

• I don’t know if it’s been shown much on TV, but Self has been especially intense during today’s game. Most of his yells have been directed at players, but he’s also been visibly upset with quite a few calls. Keep this in mind if KU has a questionable call go against it in the second half. The foundation has already been set for a potential Self blowup.

• Two fouls for the Morris twins and Little. We’ll see if the foul trouble affects the Jayhawks late.

• Even with his limited production at times, I would have to say that Little deciding not to red-shirt looks to be a good decision for both he and the team, at least at this point.

KU 44/ISU 38 — Halftime

Little can’t miss from the floor. He dribbles in to hit two more mid-range jumpers — draining one even though he was fouled. That’s at least nine straight made field goals for him, as he’s 3-for-3 today.

Brackins, a 64.5 percent free-throw shooter coming in, has gone 8-for-9 (89 percent) today. He’s up to 22 points at half.

Following an offensive rebound, Morningstar drains a 12-footer off the glass just before the halftime buzzer. In true Brady fashion, he runs off the floor with no emotion like nothing happened at all.

KU 36/ISU 29 — 2:45 left in 1st half

KU’s offense starts to look sluggish. The Jayhawks look like they’re waiting for Collins to shoot it.

Collins gets a steal, and it leads to a fast-break finger-roll from Taylor.

With two fouls on both Morris twins, Quintrell Thomas gets his first meaningful minutes in a while.

Mario Little once again shows that flash of offensive potential, pivoting before swishing a 12-foot turnaround on the baseline. That’s an NBA move if I’ve ever seen one.

KU 27/ISU 19 — 7:49 left in 1st half

Collins has taken this game over. He hits a pull-up jumper, then on the break, he doesn’t hesitate, draining an 18-foot jumper. That’s 18 points on 7-for-8 shooting (with 3-for-3 shooting from three-point range) and also two-thirds of the Jayhawks' point so far.

KU 23/ISU 19 — 9:36 left in 1st half

Collins gets a three-point play, driving inside while drawing contact. KU hasn’t been getting the ball to Cole Aldrich much, but I will say each perimeter player has made an effort to look inside before passing elsewhere.

Brackins has come to play. He was 9-for-33 from three coming in, but he’s swished two threes in the last three ISU possessions. Suddenly, the lead has slipped to three. Brackins has 12 points already in just 6 minutes, 42 seconds.

Reed falls behind an Aldrich pick and hits a much-needed three for KU.

Collins hits another three, and he’s answering Brackins blow-for-blow. The junior has 14 points on 5-for-6 shooting.

KU 12/ISU 3 — 15:39 left in 1st half

KU comes out like it’s the team that like to shoot threes.

The Jayhawks first three attempts are treys, and Sherron Collins hits two of them to give KU a 6-0 lead.

Brady Morningstar continues to play great defense. He’s stopped by a hard screen but still manages to get to Staiger on the perimeter, forcing a tough shot.

Morningstar drains an 18-footer, and KU’s up 8-0. Timeout ISU. KU seems to start out well every game.

Marcus Morris has been matched on Brackins in the early going, and he’s done a serviceable job so far. He has picked up an early foul, though, when he grazed Brackins arm on a shot attempt.

12:56 p.m.

A few quick notes about ISU before we get going:

• Six-foot-10 forward Craig Brackins is averaging 18.8 points per game. His 38-point performance against Houston last month was the highest output from a Big 12 player this season.

• ISU is 12-0 when it shoots better than its opponent. The Cyclones are 0-6 when they shoot worse.

• ISU has averaged just 59.3 points per game in conference play.

• The Cyclones’ opponents are averaging just 9 turnovers per game in Big 12 play.

• Lucca Staiger has his multiple three-pointers in eight straight games. He’s shooting 42.7 percent from three this year.

• ISU shoots three-pointers on 39.1 percent of its possessions.

12:48 p.m.

Gary Bedore was talking to an ISU student — dressed as a Gorilla — and another event on campus might affect today’s attendance.

Evidently, there is a dance marathon taking place on campus, with funds going to the Children’s Miracle Network. Students are supposed to remain dancing/standing for 15 straight hours.

Unless we get a huge rush late, this won’t be a sellout. Only two rows in the upper deck across from me are full.

Speaking of the students, we have a diversely dressed bunch. There’s a life-size banana behind me, and I’ve also seen red and yellow fake mohawks, overalls and tons of cowboy hats.

It’s also “Gold Rules” Day, so be prepared to see yellow when you turn on your TV.

12:23 p.m.

Here’s what the Cyclones are saying about today’s game. Click on the links for the stories from gocyclones.com.

• “Some people in class the other day, they said, ‘So are you ready for the big one?’ Everyone’s getting a little more excited because there’s a national powerhouse team coming in here.” — Iowa State senior guard Bryan Petersen

As Bryan Petersen prepares to head to Hilton Coliseum each game day, roommate Jamie Vanderbeken poses the same question.

“You think it’s going to be a full house tonight?” Vanderbeken always asks.

Petersen often waivers in his answer, but this morning, he’ll be certain of his response.

“I know for sure I can tell him this time around, ‘Yeah, it’s going to be full, and it’s going to be real Hilton Magic,’” Petersen said.

• Also, gocyclones.com columnist Courtney Linehan questions why Springfield, Mo., writer Allen Vaughan would report the recruiting exchange last week between Self and John Wall. Interesting take from an outside perspective.

11:38 a.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa, where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Iowa State Cyclones.

In the Journal-World sports department, we affectionately call them “chuckers” — those players that, whether in a pickup or organized basketball game, seem to always shoot the basketball.

In today’s game between KU and ISU, we will have the Big 12’s top two chuckers going at it head-to-head.

Take a look at the stats, brought to you once again by our good friends at Kenpom.com.

Here are the Big 12’s top five players in “Percentage of shots taken” — that is, the percentage of shots a player takes when he is on the court.

1. Craig Brackins, Iowa State — 35.5 percent

T2. Sherron Collins, KU — 29.0 percent

T2. LaceDarius Dunn, Baylor — 29.0 percent

4. Jacob Pullen, KSU — 28.2 percent

5. Denis Clemente, KSU — 28.1 percent

I’m going to be honest: Sherron is a little higher on this list than I thought he’d be.

KU coach Bill Self, before the season began, told the Journal-World that Collins needed to be "best-conditioned player in our league because he will take more shots than anybody in our league. I don't know if he'll get 20 off, (but) I really believe he can attempt in that 18-range average for the year. If he does that and makes half of them, you are looking at a guy who averages 22 (points) a game.”

Predictably, fans’ response to the Self's statement was mixed. Many didn’t think Collins shooting a ton would be best for the team.

The statistics, at least early on, seemed to back that up.

Collins only attempted 18 shots in two of his first nine games. Want to guess which games those were?

Syracuse (8-for-22) and UMass (6-for-21). Loss and loss.

Collins has only attempted 18 shots in one other game this season, and that was an 8-for-18 performance in a 71-59 victory over Temple.

Earlier this week, Self admitted that he had changed his thinking regarding Collins’s shots.

“I really believe the less shots Sherron has attempted — in some games and in some situations and when he’s really focused on getting other guys shots — is when we have looked our best as a team,” Self said.

Collins hasn’t had more than 14 field-goal attempts in any of his last seven games. During that stretch, KU is 6-1.

“I don’t think we should put a number on him — on how many shots he should take — because of certain situations, depending on how people guard us and things like that,” Self said. “I will say this: Fourteen (shots) is extremely low based on what I even thought coming into the season. I didn’t know that we’d get adequate scoring around him.”

What’s surprising to me is that Collins is still so high in percentage of shots taken on the Big 12 list.

Where is Colorado’s Cory Higgins? Texas’ A.J. Abrams? Oklahoma State’s Byron Eaton?

From the outside looking in, I would assume all those players would need to take a high percentage of their teams’ shots to be successful.

As it stands, despite being more unselfish than his coach predicted, Collins still is the second-best Big 12 chucker.

Comments

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Jesse - -YOUR Big 12’s top five players in “Percentage of shots taken” — that is, the percentage of shots a player takes when he is on the court. 5. Denis Clemente, KU — 28.1 percentAs a KU supporter I won't claim your #5 player! He plays for the kitties!

Jesse Newell 10 years, 12 months ago

Good point. I went ahead and changed his to his correct team.

hometownhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

It should be pointed out that the Syracuse game was one of KU's strongest performances of the year. However, you are right that a major reason we lost that game was Sherron forcing shots at the end. So I don't think it's the quantity of Sherron's shots that are the issue; it's the quality. And he has definitely come closer to a happy balance of those two aspects as the season has progressed.

Jesse Newell 10 years, 12 months ago

Lebowski — Good point. "Chucker" wasn't meant to be derogatory, but I guess one could take it that way. I don't think the stat you speak of exists, and until it does, I think "percentage of shots taken" is as close as we're going to get statistically to what we're looking for.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 12 months ago

I'd add that "chucker" seems to imply that the player is taking the shot regardless of his other teammates. It would seem that percentage of shots made and number of assists (shots made by teammmates b/c of passing up a shot) should actually be part of a "chucking" factor.The other thing that needs to factor into Sherron's % of shots is Coach Self's comment early on that he would be called on to take the last second on the shot clock shot, which is something you do to give your team some chance at scoring even though it doesn't help your percentage.

Rick Arnoldy 10 years, 12 months ago

Shots taken per minute played ought to be a good indication. Both data points are readily available.

kuballa09 10 years, 12 months ago

Damn, does 40% of your shots being 3 seem like a lot? Live and die by the 3 i guess.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 12 months ago

Just thought - with the way ISU is playing this year, maybe Hilton Magic should really be Hilton Illusion.

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

It looks like a bunch of Butchers / Doctors ... just carefully slicing them up !!

Dirk Medema 10 years, 12 months ago

Sweet start again - Sherron for 2 straight 3's, and then Brady!Rock Chalk!

Ben Kane 10 years, 12 months ago

we seem to get off to these quick starts against everybody...gotta hold on to it though

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Brackins looks like a MAN out there !! Wow ... .

cffighter86 10 years, 12 months ago

This whole Iowa State team are 3 chuckers...

Ben Kane 10 years, 12 months ago

someone guard brackins without fouling please

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

I haven't heard the Aldrigdge name mentioned on the offensive end much !! He needs some touches !!

Ben Kane 10 years, 12 months ago

red red...u watching or just listening...he's like 1 of 4

cffighter86 10 years, 12 months ago

The Twins need to learn how to shoot Free throws, they are just awful at the line

cffighter86 10 years, 12 months ago

This commentator is an idiot.. He didnt report the right story. He said Self approached Wall, negative. Wall approached Bill...

KGphoto 10 years, 12 months ago

Looks like the Sherron bashers have changed their colors, or crawled back under their rocks. No "wild and out of control" comments?

Brian Powell 10 years, 12 months ago

ugh cmon Morris'sThank you for finishing Taylor! 1 for the last 4 inside, hawks.. cmon.

Ben Kane 10 years, 12 months ago

we need to finish this half with a run

Theutus 10 years, 12 months ago

To be perfectly fair KGphoto, 1 solid half doesn't take away all his turnovers and terrible shots from the rest of this season.... Especially not when it's against one of the weaker teams in the conference.That being said, he IS playing really well today. If he can keep this up against better teams, i'll change my opinion of him.The twins are really disappointing today, but Little looks good, and Brady and Reed are both playing really well.

cffighter86 10 years, 12 months ago

How many times is Cole going to leave Vanderbeek(or whatever the hell is name is) Wide open?

Brian Powell 10 years, 12 months ago

yeah, I think coach needs to relook at the matchups at halftime....nice job, Mario!

Joe Joseph 10 years, 12 months ago

Jamie Vanderbeken is the reincarnate of Jake Sullivan.

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Huge start to the second half is what I'm thinking by our Hawks....

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Hey Jesse---Pomeroy has a good stat to combine with % of shots taken.http://kenpom.com/team.php?y=2009&team=KansasIt's called %Poss and Sherron is leading the team with 28% Poss. It takes into account how many shos they take, how many turnovers they committ and how many offensive rebounds they take. So it basically measures how much of a factor are they offensively on the court.Sherron is 112th in the nation with his %Poss.

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Holy crap - did you just see that move by Little?

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Oh, and here are the Big 12 leaders with %Poss: 1 Craig Brackins, Iowa St. 32.4 6-10 230 So 2 Leo Lyons, Missouri 32.2 6-9 244 Sr 3 Blake Griffin, Oklahoma 31.3 6-10 251 So 4 Sherron Collins, Kansas 28.0 5-11 200 Jr 5 Byron Eaton, Oklahoma St. 27.9 5-11 215 Sr 6 Jacob Pullen, Kansas St. 26.4 6-0 200 So 7 Curtis Jerrells, Baylor 26.3 6-1 208 Sr 8 DeMarre Carroll, Missouri 25.7 6-8 225 Sr 9 Toney McCray, Nebraska 25.7 6-6 205 Fr 10 Damion James, Texas 25.4 6-7 222 Jr

Blake Brown 10 years, 12 months ago

Good 1st half considering we did not play great D and took many shots out of sinc [other than Sherron]. The Morris twins still are bad at the line, fail to block out on the boards on both ends and take shots with nobody in a positon to rebound. Maybe by the end of February they will get it together. We have outplayed most teams in the 1st half. Can we win the 2nd here? Foul calls will favor Iown State, especially toward the end of the game and they shoot well from the line. It should be a close finish.GO HAWKS!

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

rtjayhawk You were right ! Big start !

Brian Powell 10 years, 12 months ago

Brackins is pretty sick for someone listed as a forward...I like that wer'e finally going inside more - and finishing!

jayhawkansas 10 years, 12 months ago

put morningstar on brackins and i like our chances!

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Half Time Thoughts by Stewart Smalley...KU is playing like a team that just spent 4 hours in a bus. I think Coach Self has to rethink travel. He chooses the bus, because it is actually an hour less on the road. But I believe the time savings is offset by the uninterrupted length of time being cooped up without exercise. It may take 5 hours by plane to Ames, but that time is broken up into many little pieces. Also, young kids are still more jazzed up looking out of an airplane than they are staring out of a charter bus. KU just looks a little sluggish from travel confinement to me. And remember, these guys are BIG, even the small ones are big for a bus seat.This could be a very dangerous second half, because KU shot 62 percent from trifectaville and only leads by six.Mario Little seems to have the mid range game a down-the-middle team needs, but his right leg sure looks sore and weak to me. His conditioning improves, allowing him better timing, better execution and more minutes, but there does not seem to be any corresponding healing.Sherronatron used to be one of the five best PGs KU has had. He has risen to the Top 3.Tyshawn is in his inner world today where everything is very soft. He is not playing much basketball and that accounts for the closeness of the score.Marcus is still improving, but his judgement on defensive help is still iffy. He is still over helping, or not helping quick enough.Brady keeps looking super in his role. This guy could score 15 a game in his sleep if he got the role. He is so quick.Cole appears to have a chest cold, or allergies, or something. I have not seen him struggle with conditioning this much since very early in the season.Quintrell Thomas appears to have had a basketball lobotomy. I have never seen a player's game deteriorate quite like his has. Give that young man a hypodermic syringe full of confidence. He looks as lost as Darrell Arthur did at times. Unfortunately, he lacks some of Arthur's raw talent.ISU Coach Greg McDermott has the best referee baiting style of anyone I have seen in a long time. He hunches over like a bear and without grimacing carries on a steady commentary about the strengths and weaknesses of a referees calls. Amazing. I have not see anyone talk to refs this consistently without eventually losing calls. He has the refs eating out of the palm of his hand today.If you want to see really great Okie ball being played today, surf over to the Marquette-Depaul game. Buzz Williams really understands Okie Ball. KU is not really playing its best Okie Ball today. Marquette, with a lot less talent, gets it better today, anyway. Marquette looks a lot like a couple of Self's Tulsa teams.

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Aldrich is letting everyone (but Brackins) know that this is a man's game....

jayhawkansas 10 years, 12 months ago

quintrell is giving us some really decent minutes today

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Morningstar is one point and Little is two points away from KU having five guys with double-digit points.

Brian Powell 10 years, 12 months ago

Finish this.Yeah, that foul makes up for the missed over-the-back call on our end :P

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

jayhawkansas......Thomas is giving some really good minutes and some good rebounds - granted, most of those seem to have fallen to him, but at least it gets us some rebounds.

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Thomas also has picked up two quick fouls...

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

jhwkfan162515....they are something. They are 18 points.

Blake Brown 10 years, 12 months ago

Great start to the 2nd. Oh, and I almost forgot, the Morris twins and their moving screens continually costly us possessions. 3 fouls on Mario, not good.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 12 months ago

Our second half breakdown has started.Come on, enough dickin around with these guys!

rtjayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

It's time to put these a-holes away. C'mon guys.

Eric Hammond 10 years, 12 months ago

Where the heck did Collins go! One hell of a first half, has not come back out of locker room after halftime! Show up my man.

Eric Hammond 10 years, 12 months ago

Come on collins what the hell are you doing? Where is your confident jumper you had in the first half. Now you are driving into triple coverage under the basket and throwing it away. Pick and roll with Cole!!!!!!

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Little 4 fouls ... won't be much help the rest of the way. Collins is out of gas ... exerted himself by giving is all in the first half. Cmon Cole, Morningstar, Taylor. Reed

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Jesse---is the 3-point line as light as it looks on TV?

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Settle down ... play some 'D' !!! Block out ! Rebound !!

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Iowa State was down by 14 against UC-Davis earlier this year with 11:47 to go...and ended up winning 61-58.

Brian Powell 10 years, 12 months ago

cmon why do we always peter-out with the lead... FINISH!poor shot selection, crappy sets.Who is guarding him??? Put Brady on him and just don't let him catch a pass

RockChalkJayBlog 10 years, 12 months ago

Can Keegan give negative points in his Keegan point rankings?

jayhawkansas 10 years, 12 months ago

sherron you owe cole some dinner after that follow

Joe Joseph 10 years, 12 months ago

That may have been the worst foul call this year...

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 12 months ago

Oh yes, a game would not be complete without a Morris twin fouling out.

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

The Morris twins got pushed around today !!Hopefully they learned the need to get in the weight room and also BULK UP !!

Jesse Newell 10 years, 12 months ago

The yellow line is kind of hard to distinguish from the court.

bozeman 10 years, 12 months ago

When we were recruiting the Morris twins I thought, Wow if these guys are good we will two for the price of one. Well they are not, and they don't show much potential to ever get to that elite level we expect (Pierce, Gooden, Lafrentz) Their facial expressions and their play scream one thing to me: Stupid. They are liabilities. When they are on the court it is like playing 4 or 5. (or 4 on 6 if they are making their dumb mistakes)

NH_JHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

If we can close this one out on the road, then we've taken a big step forward in terms of finishing games where we've had big leads.Brackins has been impressive today...

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 12 months ago

Why does it look like Collins and Morningstar are dribbling up around their shoulders?

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Little cuts to the hole ... that's where he lives !!

cffighter86 10 years, 12 months ago

How can you call players a bust halfway into their FIRST year?

Steve Gantz 10 years, 12 months ago

Great win, lets get on to the Badgers and Illinois!

RedRed 10 years, 12 months ago

Turn Out the Lights ... the Party is Over !!

Steve Gantz 10 years, 12 months ago

We going to be ranked or close to it after this one?

bozeman 10 years, 12 months ago

Not harsh just honest. I was at ku and watched Pierce (among others) play and they made the traditional wild freshman errors, but they also showed flashes of immense talent. (like taylor this year) Twins show none. Their basketball IQ shows on their face and in their play. A smart player can make up for many disadvantages in physical skill. (Morningstar) At least Little shows he has the physical coordination as a platform to build on. Twins are just goofy.

jayhawkansas 10 years, 12 months ago

lets not give up on these guys yet...athletic ability+our coaching staff=good things

Joe Joseph 10 years, 12 months ago

bozeman,You're making it seem like Marcus & Markieff were expected to be one-and-done talents. In a perfect world, neither Marcus nor Markieff would be expected to start and contribute significant minutes in their freshman years at Kansas University. I'm not sure how many games you have watched, but I have seen flashes of brilliance from the two. Comparing the twins to Paul Pierce, Drew Gooden, Raef Lafrenze & co. is completely ridiculous and unfair.

jasonsgill 10 years, 12 months ago

The Morris twins are not Paul Pierce, but if you think they didn't contribute alot to the win today you're insane (and not very clever). The effort they put in on the glass alone was key. Their offense is about as hit or miss as it gets, though. I think they will continue to improve. Don't forget, this is only the 3rd time they've really played on the road. So: chill out, and stop talking so much sh*t on KU players.

Rodney Stice 10 years, 12 months ago

After watching the Morris twins, I feel that they are having a hard time adjusting to the speed and physical play of NCAA basketball. I'm sure that these 2 young men have improved greatly since arriving at KU. Marcus and Markieff will continue to grow and improve with time. Coach Self has seen something positive in these men.

bozeman 10 years, 12 months ago

They were our marquee recruits. I am not expecting them to be one and done but I don't know what games you have been watching. I have watched all of them and I don't remember ONE time when either of them caught the ball and made a move that made someone knowledgeable about bball stop and say, damn that was solid. You know the type of move I'm talking about. The one that doesn't look lucky. The move that is under control, has "touch" and is replicable. They make a shot and it looks shaky, like the next time they take the same it might be an air ball. Marquee recruits should be able to produce those solid moves at times. You win on the Pierce point. I don't expect them to be Raef. I just don't want them to be liabilities for four long years.

Robert Murphy 10 years, 12 months ago

jaybate, Sorry to be so late. who are the other two best guards?

Scott Smetana 10 years, 12 months ago

Bozeman,I feel your pain. I got on this site to day to complain about the Twins. HOWEVER, I don't think we're anywhere near calling them a bust. If we can get them both to improve even a little, l think we might have a top 10 team by the end of the year. I never thought I would be saying that, but the rest of the team is playing awesome!!PS - it seems the Refs smell their lack of confidence and see their lost looks on their faces and LOVE calling fouls on them. Reed, Taylor, Collins, Cole, Brady (and Bill) - you are all playing FANTASTIC!!!! Keep it up, Rock Chalk!!!

Theutus 10 years, 12 months ago

PikesPeak don't forget about Little... Little is showing more and more of what he is capable of every game. Today he took some fouls, but he was doing an awesome job covering for Cole when Cole moved over on the doubleteam etc etc.....I'm extremely comfortable with Little in the game, and his shot is money. I have a feeling he's going to continue to improve and become one of our go-to's in the near future, if not next year for sure.

Scott Smetana 10 years, 12 months ago

My bad... Sorry Little. I agree, he is improving by the minute. I'd like to see him more comfortable dribbling the ball and maybe a bit more in shape. Ahhh, this is exactly what I wanted this year.... improvement by the game!!! That said, I know for sure we are going to have a rough game or two ahead of us with this young team so I'm trying not to get my hopes too high.

cshaynes 10 years, 12 months ago

bozemanGet your derriere out there and show us what you have!

Theutus 10 years, 12 months ago

Yeah, I think a couple times Little has bobbled the ball because he gets a little nervous... He knows there is an open lane, and he needs to (and has the ability) to get to it in time, but i think the pressure of just playing at this level (and the crowds) has gotten the best of him a couple of times.I have seen him on the flipside though, where he handles the ball extremely well... I have a feeling he'll settle in just fine. And when he does, he's going to be one hell of a shooter/penetrator. I'm looking forward to seeing him grow.

KUPROUD 10 years, 12 months ago

I'm not going to read all of the above comments, so maybe someone has noted this. Isn't Little 10 for 10 in the last two games? What's the jayhawk record for consecutive FG made?

Blake Brown 10 years, 12 months ago

Great finish after allowing them to get back into the game. Something we did not do against Syracuse or UMass. Confidence is gaining. At Nebraska will be a big test and an important win for that possible 5-0 start in conference. The guys are understainding what it takes to excell and win. What a change from 2 months ago. We`ve got 2 more to go. ROCK CHALK!!

KUPROUD 10 years, 12 months ago

Well, I did read the above comments. Come on, people, the twins are going to make us proud. They'll make a big jump in skill and playing I.Q. between this and next year, and progress is on-going this year. If right now the best thing is they give us a couple of big bodies and 10 fouls, that's helping us. Self doesn't hesitate to pull them when it appears they are out of sync, but he knows they are valuable to the team. Now the rest of you get on board....

yates33333 10 years, 12 months ago

After reading all this, I sure hope Jaybate saw the game. I need to know what was wrong and what was right.

bozeman 10 years, 12 months ago

cshaynes Of course I can't get out there and do it myself. I am a KU fan. There wouldn't be fan message boards if the prerequisite to comment was D-1 talent. Bad point on your part. I am just not all euphoric like most KU fans because we won last year. Everybody is all "Oh well we won last year, we are a young team... blah" I remember after '88 one year turning into five, turning into ten, people getting desperate, fifteen, players playing all gittery in the tourney, a few UTEPS, Butlers, Bradleys. Lets reload and go get another one. No excuses.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 12 months ago

Well, if the 2008 Championship game was Michaelangelo's Last Supper, today's game was a paint by numbers picture of four dogs wearing human clothes, playing poker and smoking cigars. HOWEVER, a win on the road in the Big Twelve is always a masterpiece.Every once in awhile, you'll run into a good player who has a great game. Brackins was sensational, however, what KU did on defense was almost as spectacular by limiting the entire rest of the ISU team to only 33% of the total score. I can only imagine how bad this team must be if he is out of the game!!!Pikespeaksmitty...you really nailed it on the Twins. The refs see that "deer in the headlights look" in a player and they mark him as a target to help get their "quota".Bobbyfissure [great tag by the way]...one has to be Jo Jo White, the other may be up for debate [ Darnell Valentine, Jacque Vaughn, etc. etc.]Bozeman...it is hard not to be hard on these kids based on the pereseason hype and our expectations, but if you combine their totals as one player, it's OK. Hang in there till next season, when they'll have a whole summer of weight and brain work. I'd still rather have them than let them be with that scumbag Calipari.Theutus...I totally agree. Mario will never be 100% this year yet look what we are getting. Next year, healthy and motivated to be go to The Show after he graduates, I see our next team leader.wissoxfan83...it's probably going to take two more wins to get to 17 and 4Let's take care of the Horncuskers Wednesday night...I'll be watching, how about YOU!!!!

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

bobbysfissure,Top 3 PGs: Jo Jo, Kirk and Sherron.Somebody wants to throw Pritch in the mix, I'm down with that, but he'd be Number 4 IMHO.Jacque would be all their equals, but he had no touch from trinitron land. Jacque was Ty Lawson with a high IQ.We'll never know for sure about Mario, because he was required to play SG his entire career at KU. But don't feel bad, Mario. You were the best SG we ever had. White, when he played SG, was your better, probably, but White couldn't will victory the way you could. Kellogg was probably a better shooter and taller, but again, Kellogg could not will victory.Now back to Sherronatron: remember everyone, Sherronatron has ascended to the Top 3 after only half a season of starting. This is amazing considering who has played at KU.He is hard for many to appreciate, because he is extremely unorthodox for a PG and not just because he's so brawny. His dribbling, start/stoping, cutting, vector speed, trey shooting, and penetrating are second to none among current point guards. Frankly, he's probably better than all the other point guards in the country this year in these regards, but because Self apparently pissed off ESPN, and KU is young, Sherronatron is suffering from the effects of what amounts to a national media black out on KU basketball. His trey shooting alone makes him stand out among all point guards this season. Jonny Flynn gave him fits, but Flynn has had way more time to develop his game as a starting PG. By seasons end, Sherronatron, with an experienced team around him, will eat Flynn alive, if they meet again.But Sherron has a strange and glaring flaw in his offensive game. He is not a great natural passer, something most PGs possess as ante even to get in the game; that is, I believe, why so many react so strongly and negatively to his game. He repeatedly drives into tight spots without the skill to kick the ball out to an open man. It is kind of an odd curse really. He is such a fabulous athlete that he can get into tight places no one else could get into, but he lacks that cat like instinct about how to thread a ball through opposing players who have collapsed on him.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

But this passing skill, which he may not possess instinctively, is one that can be practiced and acquired. Remember, even last year, he has never had a chance to simply be one of the guys working on his game. He had to produce at what he could do from the git go. Sherron, spark us. Sherron, shoot the threy. Sherron, take it to the rim against the bigs. Sherron, light the candle on the break. Sherron, take control of the game with the ball. Sherron, go get a bucket. And this year it is Sherron, run the team. Sherron, tutor Tyshawn on the floor. Sherron, drive until the other team breaks. Sherron, show the frosh how hard you have to play at this level. And on and on. Sherron was probably scheduled to develop his passing game this past summer, but an injury and court case intervened. And he's a dad. And he likes the pizza too much. And so the passing flaw was not fixed.Were Sherron to stay and start again next year, this passing flwa would be something he would work on and finally resolve. If Magic Johnson, a lousy shooter, could teach himself to shoot the trinity in the L, then Sherron can teach himself to pass through traffic.Sherron is a wonder of nature, frankly. Wonders of nature are not perfect. Sherron is not perfect. But the flaw that drives everyone nuts can and will be fixed.Sherron's other flaw is defense. He's hardly a bad defensive player. He's probably a much better defensive player than, say, Jacque Vaughn ever was. But Sherron plays for a defensive obsessive--Bill Self. Self insists on such a high level of team defensive performance that he fills a floor with belly button magnets. And if you are over focused on running the team, moving it on offense, and scoring inside and outside, well, occassional defensive lapses from struggling to fight through picks or catching your breath by grabbing your shorts gets you labeled defensively challenged. But to put this in perspective, Sherron has played good enough defense for Bill Self to play him big minutos, since the day he stepped on the campus. He may not be a Chalmers, Robinson, or Morningstar, but none of those guys ever had to carry the non stop load on offense either.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Sherron is our edge this year. He is our match-up advantage game in and game out. He gives us from the 1, what Brandon Rush gave us from the 3 last year. Most games, Sherron holds such a match-up advantage, Coach Self gets to treat the game as 5 on 4 and scheme accordingly.Sherron also happens to be an alpha male...a stud...a gunny sargeant. With such a young team, lucky us.And he's been carrying a team of inexperienced softies on his back the whole season without once crying about it, as they have attempted to harden up.Sherronatron...the latest atomic particle discovered in basketball physics.For a few games there, I thought Tyshawn was joining him, but opposing coaches have found out how to hamstring Tyshawn from time to time. Like most good frosh, Tyshawn can sparkle, when the opposing coach doesn't try to fillet him with his weaknesses. But he does get filleted. Tyshawn needs some time to rise above the weaknesses the opposing scouting reports have exposed. Because of Sherron, he's got it.But Sherron never had that luxury. Even in the championship season last year, it was Din, Din, Din, er, Sherron, Sherron, Sherron (an allusion just for OakvilleJHawk). He had to produce offense every game for KU to win it all last year.He did.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 12 months ago

Jaybate, my man...you carry a Chalice. I, on the other hand, carry a Dixie Cup!!!

Tony Bandle 10 years, 12 months ago

Holey moley..I just checked the box score. KU was two points away from having six guys in double figures. ISU was two points away from someone else not named Brackins getting double figures.T Tenacious E Effort A Among M Members = Victory S ShiningT Totals A AdverseR Results = Defeat

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

OakvilleJHawk,Hardly.Write on.You are the architect.Side Note: Just picked up a copy of Phillipe Starck: Subverchic written about him with his collaboration in1999. I view him as a mixed blessing, but still a net-blessing. His Aprilia 6.5 Moto is still the most beautiful and unique formal realization of the single cylinder motorcycle ever produced and I say that while generally preferring more engineered,functionalist forms in motorcycling. And this book shows just how much intuitive insight he has about the culture he is desiging for. As of 1999, he realized we were moving from light to shadow, from peace and plenty to war and deprivation. My favorite comment of his was that society moves back and forth from light to shadow periodically and that both periods have their virtues and vices. Brilliant. Yes, I know, he is a synthetic auteur designer largely created by the Mitterand government and its subsidies and media managers, when they were trying to project French culture into the globalization process. But, still, when one looks at the body of his work, even just that up to 1999, he certainly designed a lot of fascinating products and buildings and interiors. I've learned enough about design from a couple master craftsmen-trained designers to know that Starck is often not making products or buildings function a lot better, even though that is what he claims to be doing. But his playful concept of good goods hints at something that will fall out of fashion now, but be rediscovered in 15-30 years by another generation of designers. And were it not for Starck, most of post modernistist design would reduce to nothing more than Ettore Sottsass, Citerior and a couple others and then we would be much the poorer. Starck matters, short-comings and all.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

OakvilleJHawk,Now that was a "designed" post. Leave it to an architect to go spatial in blogging.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 12 months ago

Heck, if we ever meet, I'll buy you a beer at The Wheel even if Wall doesn't come to KU!!When you get a chance, for those new to this site or maybe have missed it before, could you please repeat the theory of Okie Ball, both it's origin and how it applies to the present day Jayhawks. I did watch Marquette and it was a clinic.!!!

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

Did anyone notice that Little didn't have the wrap on his leg?We've got a lot of "fans" who are trashing freshmen. Lay off them guys, if they were stinking it up and we were losing, you'd have a bone to pick. Coach is putting them on the floor, which should tell you they are better than you think and Coach at least understands that they are still freshmen.I'm not overly giddy. For a young team, today's game was a day at work except for the first half by Sheron and the second half by Cole, which were works of art. And yes we should give some props to Brackins, he was huge for the Clones, and without him we would've blown the Cyclones into atomic dust particulates.Now let's go shuck some corn and leave them nothing but the cob and husk!!!Rock Chalk

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 12 months ago

I've not seen that anyone mentioned that Sherron easily got the 1 point he needed to reach 1,000 points. He had 999 going into the game. So now I guess he has 1,025.

Greg Lux 10 years, 12 months ago

Can anyone say BAD REFS or HORRIBLE REFS or just plain aweful.. Take your pick they are apply to this crew ... If we had lost this game it would have been a Crime given the calls that were made and were not make during this game.. Thanks to a great game by the Jayhawks we don't have to be cheated out of a win by a crew that should be fired from Div 1 Ref crews. Sad ..

yates33333 10 years, 12 months ago

Not to disagree with Jaybate's top three, but I suspect you he is too young to have seen Dean Kelley play in 1952. He was excellent on offense and defense.

Ed Fox 10 years, 12 months ago

If anyone's claiming that the twins haven't had flashes of really good (if not brilliant play) this year, then they either haven't watched all the games or haven't paid that much attention. Particularly at the beginning of the year there was discussion of their upsides, particularly Marcus. Then things weren't great for Marcus and Markief started picking up his game. They have both shown the start of good offensive moves and footwork. They're freshman. They need to bulk up in the weight room and work with Danny. But Darnell didn't look like much hist first year (or two) here either. Who thought Russell, halfway during his freshman year, was going to turn into anything? Sasha could look ridiculous when he was a freshman. Maybe they'll be busts, but they're not yet. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a bust at this point in their careers, at least if you're not named Durant, Beasley, Rose, or Mayo - and they're not and weren't expected to be. If you think that they should've been, then your expectations were way, way too high.And, if you're not still on a high from last year, if you're worried about having one mediocre (by KU standards, i.e. maybe second round NCAA) team, then you should stop watching sports right now. You should find a different hobby. This is supposed to be fun. This is entertainment. If you can't enjoy last year's ending and enjoy watching this young team develop, watching Coach try to mold them, and watch the few older leaders we have, then you're missing out on the great part of sports. I want KU to win as much or more than anyone, I want titles every year, but I also understand that that isn't realistic and I'm willing to trust Coach and just stay on for the ride. If being a KU fan doesn't make you intrinsically happy, if you need to bash 18 year olds who are just trying to learn what they're doing, and if the glow of a championship wears off in 9 months, then maybe KU basketball isn't for you.

FunEfellow 10 years, 12 months ago

We have the longest home winning streak now that ND lost.

FairgroveJayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Banner - I concur. I've seen many cohesive, team oriented minutes with better ball handling and shot selection in the past three games. These are fun games to watch. Better decisions are being made and greater confidence is being shown on the court. Self is forming his young team into a consistent group and their only getting better. It was great to hear the Rock Chalk chant with a buck fifty left.

Scott Smetana 10 years, 12 months ago

Settle down Banner, we don't need your lecture. How many bad seasons / losses does it take until they stop saying 'Hilton Magic'?I miss the old ISU coach who partied with the cheerleaders. It's also too bad they'll lose their stud soph to the NBA, I wish the Big 12 North were tougher. My favorite part of the coverage is when ESPN asked ISU fans when they last beat KU at the Hilton... most said 30-40 years!!!! hahahaha

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

drgnslyr,Did you have the same negative comments for Tyshawn when he was struggling a couple of games ago??? I'll repeat myself, they are freshmen and freshmen often look lost, doesn't have anything to do with their "commitment" to basketball. Coach is playing them, and so I think they are doing more than you are giving them credit for or Coach would be sitting them, as he has sat them for most of a half in a couple of games this year. Also, I guess you're a nutrition expert??? You said..."I wonder if he's eating enough complex carbos prior to the game..."I think most likely he was probably feeling the effects of putting a lot of energy into the second half and was just a little gassed...As much as I'd like to think we "put OU and Texas" on notice", I think that is a little premature, other than A&M, we've beaten up on the 3 teams that were picked to finish at the bottom of the Big XII, although the two road wins are nice. Let's be happy with these victories and hope that we are ready to play when the big boys come calling!Let's try to stay positive on the young team. If you're not sold that we should be talking about how young our team is, then go to Ken Pomeroy's site and go to the KU page. Look at the lower left side, he has a stat for average team age and also a D1 average. Look at our rating. There are only 344 teams in D1. Where do we rank for average team age? 300+??? Enjoy the ride "fans".Rock Chalk!!!

kvskubball 10 years, 12 months ago

You seem to be one who can't take criticism....Forgive me for questioning whether you know anything about nutrition. Your comment about nutrition could be true, but my comment that he might simply be gassed is just as valid, unless you are working with the KU basketball team.Yes I've played sports. Wow, I thought I was giving my opinion.It's not being negative to state a fact. Beating up on the bottom teams in the Big XII is not "putting Texas and OU on notice". If we win at Nebraska and beat one of them, then I would say we put them on notice. So far we've shown only that we can be competitive against the worst the Big XII has to offer.I happen to think I do know something about basketball, even though it isn't my profession. Do you workout with the twins daily? If not, then I think it is more than a little presumptuous for you to say what the twins progression or lack there-of relates to. Unless you do work out with them, then please don't preach to me about what I offer as my opinion. As you seemed to acknowledge people do have the right to give their opinion.You say your occupation is professional sports, is your occupation related to basketball? If so, your knowledge probably exceeds mine, if not, then you should know that your knowledge is circumspect, like mine. If I was a professional hockey player, that wouldn't make me an expert on basketball, and I at least admit that I am no expert.I am probably older than you. My background is in analysis, accounting, and education.I'm sorry I bent your ego with my questions. It wasn't my intent, but lighten up a little!

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