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Originally published January 10, 2009 at 11:10a.m., updated January 10, 2009 at 05:27p.m.

FINAL: Strong 1st half pushes MSU to 75-62 win

Kansas guard Brady Morningstar fails to swipe away the ball from Michigan State guard Chris Allen during the second half Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009 at the Breslin Center in East Lansing, Michigan.

Kansas guard Brady Morningstar fails to swipe away the ball from Michigan State guard Chris Allen during the second half Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009 at the Breslin Center in East Lansing, Michigan.

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Kansas scoring

Sherron Collins 25, Cole Aldrich 14, Tyrel Reed 10, Brady Morningstar 5, Markieff Morris 4, Marcus Morris 2, Tyshawn Taylor 2.

KU was 20-for-50 from the floor (40 percent), 5-for-20 from three (25 percent) and 17-for-28 from the free-throw line (60.7 percent).

The Jayhawks were outrebounded, 42-31.

MSU was 22 of 56 from the field (39 percent), 5 of 13 from three (39 percent) and 26-for-35 from the free-throw line (74.3 percent).

FINAL: Strong 1st half pushes Michigan State to 75-62 victory

KU had a chance to make things really interesting, as in transition, Collins had a wide-open three that he left short. He had to take the shot — KU needed the three points at that juncture to get within striking distance. On the other end, Chris Allen put in an NBA three to push the Spartans’ lead back up to 12.

The final minutes drag to a crawl. KU can’t get the deficit under 10 the rest of the way, and MSU wins, 75-62.

MSU 61/KU 52 — 3:27 left in game

Reed hits a pair of threes, and suddenly KU is only trailing by 13. Self calls a timeout to set up the press.

After an MSU turnover, Collins gets fouled on a drive and hits two free throws.

Collins follows with a steal, dishing off to Reed for an easy two. KU has whittled the MSU lead under 10.

MSU 60/KU 42 — 6:27 left in game

KU is not just one step slow on defense today — it’s two or three steps slow.

In transition, Roe gets an easy basket inside when he beats the Jayhawks down the floor. Full timeout KU.

MSU 58/KU 40 —7:39 left in game

Little fouls out with 10:48 remaining. He played only seven minutes.

Self and Collins, unnecessarily, are complaining about whistles. Collins was hammered going up for a shot — a blow that even drew blood — but that’s not what put the Jayhawks down 18 points. A two-man crew can’t catch everything. An upset Collins showed his scratch to both officials while Self screamed in the background. I don’t know what good that was supposed to do.

Markieff fouls out on a double-foul call. He was an innocent bystander there, but like Collins and Self did a few minutes earlier, he complained to officials before he left the court. He played 13 minutes.

I’m surprised Hightower has any breath left after all these whistles. With a two-man crew, both teams are in the double-bonus with 9 minutes left.

MSU 49/KU 33 —11:55 left in game

KU has a couple bad defensive possessions, but follows with two good offensive possessions. Morningstar hits a three from the side, and Collins uses an NBA spin move before putting in a two high off the glass.

The Jayhawks are showing better energy this half, but the Spartans have hit some long-range twos to keep their lead safely in the teens.

MSU 41/KU 27 — 15:46 left in game

Collins has shown up with some better focus in the second half. After hitting a three, he’s been more aggressive, taking the ball hard to the rim while also making sure to not turn it over. He’s scored seven straight points to give the Jayhawks a 7-0 run.

Suton stops the run with a jumper, but KU has cut into the MSU lead.

Kansas scoring

Cole Aldrich 9, Collins 5, Tyshawn Taylor 2, Markieff Morris 2. That’s it.

KU was 8-for-22 in the first half (36 percent), while MSU was 13-for-32. KU made 1 of 5 three-point attempts. MSU was 4-for-8 from three.

MSU ended the first half with nine offensive rebounds.

Don’t know if I’ve ever said this (or ever will again), but KU might be lucky to just be down 19.

A side note from this ugly game: The MSU student section has been great. They jump and scream nearly every possession and also hound officials enough to influence calls.

I can’t say the same for the alumni, though.

I’m sitting up higher, and while the students are going nuts, the older folks are silent.

It’s such a weird sight — it’s like a rock concert close to floor and an opera 10 rows up and higher.

MSU 37/KU 18 — Halftime

KU has zero energy out there. Offensively, there isn’t much ball movement. Defensively, the Jayhawks are laboring through screens, switching slowly, not showing any anticipation in hopes of getting a steal.

KU has 12 turnovers, and team leader Collins has six of them. KU is 1 of 5 from the free-throw line and is getting out-rebounded 20-14. The Jayhawks only scored 18 first-half points.

Honestly, I can’t remember a much uglier first half for KU.

MSU 29/KU 16 — 4:08 left in 1st half

It sure is a long time, but the Izzone booed that last call through the entire three-plus minute timeout.

We’ve seen this before: MSU scores on a dunk, Collins follows by trying to go one-on-one on the other end. He loses the basketball and is lucky to get a hand on it for a jump ball. No composure shown there.

Matt Kleinmann checks in, and three seconds later picks up a foul on an illegal screen.

Aldrich finally gets a field goal for KU, putting in a tough turnaround at the 5:51 mark. The Jayhawks went 9:26 without a field goal. They’re lucky to only be down nine.

Self is trying everyone now. Quintrell Thomas, Tyrone Appleton and Kleinmann are all on the court at the same time.

Official Steve Welmer has walked off the gym floor, though it was tough to see from here what ailment he has. We're down to a two-man crew for the time being.

MSU 21/KU 12 — 7:30 left in 1st half

Collins walks off the court with a towel over his face to stop some blood. Collins isn’t having his best game: three points, three turnovers, and he almost picked up his fourth turnover on the last possession with a sloppy pass.

Aldrich finally breaks a 6-minute, 15-second scoreless streak for KU, making one of two free throws at the 9:02 mark.

Collins is back in, and the Jayhawks have gone to a 2-3 zone. Lucas busts it immediately with a three.

Markieff Morris picks up his third foul on an illegal screen. Silly fouls for the freshman.

Travis Walton hits another three against the zone. KU can’t stick with it much longer.

MSU 14/KU 11 — 11:20 left in 1st half

KU coach Bill Self tried to steal a minute without Aldrich in there, but it didn’t work well. The Jayhawks offense is out of sync without him.

Durrell Summers puts in a one-hand slam off an alley-oop, and Self uses a quick timeout. It’s an extended 8-0 run for MSU.

The Jayhawks need to do a better job of defensive rebounding or it will be a long game. Already, the Spartans have six offensive boards; they average 14.6 per game, which is a high number to begin with. The Spartans are on pace to reach 14.6 offensive rebounds by half.

KU 11/MSU 9 — 14:22 left in 1st half

KU started off well (much like the Arizona game), as Tyshawn Taylor put home a slam for KU’s first two points. A Collins three gave KU an early 7-1 lead.

On MSU’s first made field goal — a three from Lucas — the students simultaneously popped paper bags to make for a sudden, gunshot-like sound. Never seen that done before, but it made for a cool effect.

After starting, Markieff Morris picks up two fouls in 3:14. He has to learn how to play without fouling inside. He just gets to much contact on shot-block attempts.

MSU looks like it’s not going to double-team Aldrich inside, so the Jayhawks need to recognize that. Aldrich has missed a couple of easy ones early, but he’s getting good shots when his teammates get him touches.

12:03 p.m.

I thought it was interesting that, in the media room before the game, there were a few TV monitors showing the replay of Michigan State's 89-76 victory in the national title game against Florida. Were the Spartans trying to intimidate the media?

Starters for KU: Markieff Morris, Cole Aldrich, Sherron Collins, Tyshawn Taylor, Brady Morningstar.

11:55 a.m.

Some players you need to know for Michigan State:

• Raymar Morgan, 6-foot-8 junior. He is shooting 60.2 percent from the floor in averaging 15.2 points per game. Also averages 7 rebounds per game and is the reigning Big 10 player of the week.

• Kalin Lucas, 6-foot sophomore. Has 20 points in two of his last three games. He leads the nation in assist-to-turnover ratio, as he has 84 assists to just 17 turnovers.

• Goran Suton, 6-foot-10 senior. He's coming off a knee injury. He's averaging 9.6 points and 6.8 rebounds while shooting 64.6 percent from the field. He was the Big 10's leading rebounder last year.

11:50 a.m. CST

I just saw our shirtless buddies. Eight of them are spelling out "Death Roe" near midcourt, a tribute to MSU freshman Delvon Roe.

11:44 a.m. CST

I just talked to a couple members of the Izzone, and MSU has a much different way of dispersing its student tickets as compared to KU.

For one, camping is only one day per year — from 9:30 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. — and students that go are eligible for the Izzone section in the lower bowl (there are six rows at the top that are also the student section). However, lower bowl is only guaranteed to those students who camped the year before. Therefore, freshmen, for the most part, are stuck at the top of the gym.

When students come in, their ID cards are swiped. With that information, the ticket department keeps track of students — when they arrive and how many games they attend. The earlier you go to games and the more games you attend, the better chance you have to stay in the lower bowl. Students check a Web site each game to see if their ID number is on a list for tickets in the lower bowl. If extra seats are available in the lower bowl, they are raffled off before the game, a drawing in which freshmen can be included.

Season tickets are $175, and much like KU, seats are first-come, first-serve once students enter the gym.

11:25 a.m. CST

I have to say that I really like the setup of the Breslin Center.

Much like Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium, the Breslin Center has nine rows of students that circle the court (aka the Izzone). They all have white T-shirts, and from the ones I've seen, they seem pumped for today's game.

We saw a couple of guys running toward the stadium this morning shirtless in the snowy and cold conditions (one of the few times I wished that I was in Kansas, weather-wise). The students also don't hesitate to boo anybody and everybody in red and blue. As I was first walking out, Chase Buford ran onto the court. A loud chorus of boos followed. Later, after the Jayhawks had left the court, the two KU trainers were heading to the locker room. They, too, received taunts and boos, just as loud as if they were Cole Aldrich themselves.

There was an interesting tradition before the game, as MSU players end their layup line with a dunk contest. The students chime in with "oohs" and "aahs," and afterwards, the players raise their arms to get the students pumped up. The white-shirted crazies then jump and scream while the players huddle up on the court and fire themselves up. All this 52 minutes before the game. Pretty cool if you ask me.

11:12 a.m. CST

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from the Breslin Center where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the No. 8 Michigan State Spartans. We'll get more to analysis later, but first, I wanted to start with a quick story from this morning.

I'm starting to learn one thing on the job: people oftentimes are better than they appear on TV.

It happened again this morning. While waiting in the Marriott lobby, I saw a suitcase I figured belonged to our writer, Gary Bedore, so I plopped myself on the couch next to it.

A few seconds later, a man dressed in a suit and tie came by to retrieve his bag.

It wasn't Gary. It was Ed Hightower.

Let me come clean first. I do not like Ed Hightower. I don't like how he showboats and makes himself part of the game. I hate how he blows his whistle seven times to call one foul (I even took a subtle jab at him in my live blog against Tennessee). I received four text messages before the national championship game from friends last year who saw Hightower and immediately thought of me.

So I wasn't expecting much out of this chance encounter.

"How are you doing?" he said to me with a smile.

He then chatted a few minutes with me before picking up his banana and coffee to talk with a hotel employee near the door.

So, yes, Hightower is an official in today's game. And he's a nice guy to boot.

I have to say I never expected it.

Tom Keegan also chatted with Steve Welmer in the lobby a bit (another official for today's game) and he's also friendly. In the past, I haven't been enamored with his officiating, either.

Guess I've learned my lesson: Don't judge a book by its cover — or an official by his tendency to repeatedly blow the whistle on a foul call.

Comments

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

Didnt Hightower referee the 1988 championship game?

Jesse Newell 6 years, 4 months ago

jross — Yes. He was a part of the last two KU championship games.

lance1jhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Don't judge a book by its cover... Wow, my whole way of judging people has been shattered.

rgreene 6 years, 4 months ago

How the hell did Hightower and Welmer get paired together? Maybe they'll balance each other out.

okjhok 6 years, 4 months ago

chuckberry...I understand not paying for full court or even cable or satellite service. But this game is national, brother, on CBS. Do you not have a tv?

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

thanks, just found it on justin.tv.and to you OKjhok, i'm not a moron....CBS is showing the Tenn Ga game here.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm not a betting man, but I'd put my money on Tim Tebow winning this basketball game.

brooksmd 6 years, 4 months ago

Hmmm, schedule says noon central and TVGuide says 1 here in Louisiana.

brooksmd 6 years, 4 months ago

Oops, my bad. Just noticed TVGuide lost my settings and displaying Eastern.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm NOT a Vern Lindquist fan ... he doesn't know anything about College Basketball. I do like Clark Kellog however !! He played the game !

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Play 'D' ... move your feet ... watch the fouls !!

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Jesse, every time KU fouls someone, what are the students chanting?

Dale Kroening 6 years, 4 months ago

MSU getting all the foul calls early isnt good.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Markieff's over-reaction to being touched by one of the refs earlier...classic example of why I don't really like the 'other' Morris twin. The guy is too volatile!

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

you're telling me we can't get better shots that THOSE? o man, it's gonna be a long game if our O doesn't shape up..

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Looks like rebounding continues to be an issue for us. Also, how about we get back on defense?

Dale Kroening 6 years, 4 months ago

It wasnt the ref, the MSU player was talkin crap to Kief.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

michigan state is just faster to the ball right now. at this point, to me it doesnt look like a matter of MSU being BETTER. It looks like we're getting beat off the dribble and out-hustled.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Souton (sp) looked like that dude from Kentucky on that lost shot- Obrzut, Lukasz. The crowd doesn't seem to be that intimidating but I know AFH has lost some of its noise lately too. Markieff did overreact a bit but he got "jobbed" on his two fouls.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Cole looks longer than ever.Little isn't little at all.Reed is getting trampled.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Good to see the most underrated player on KU's team in now(Releford)....it still surprises me that he doesn't start.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Morningstar and Reed have done a nice job so far this season. However I still don't see them competing with the more physical players in the nation. Can you hear that jackass yelling "Markieff!! Markieff!!" ? Classy fans.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Block Out and Rebound !! Where is our energy ? Out-hustled and Out-muscled !! Mich State is very disciplined ... they attack with the ball !!

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

I just read the post about MSU's student ticket policy. Why can't Lew incorporate a policy like this here? It makes much more sense than the 'Free-for-all' system in place right now.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

It baffles me why anyone questions Lew in any regard. It would be great for the students to sit lower but for gosh sakes I think the man knows what he is doing.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

We can't allow 10-0 runs to happen on the road and expect success...period.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

I still hate Big 10 basketball. We are playing poorly and making the game look ugly but all Big 10 games are ugly anyway.

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

wow. 8 points and 1 pt from a free throw. I've seen better flow ... from a glacier? standing around like a .. bus stop.Cmon offense! at least TRY to attack the basket and draw more fouls. Wake up!

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

...wow...memories of Tuscon are coming back...

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

these turnovers are pathetic! this game could get really ugly.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Wave a white flag? Kleinmann is in the game.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Klienmann? Really? There have GOT to be other options here....

NH_JHawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Jayhawks playing B10 ball right now...ugly.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

this is quickly becoming a psychological game. coach self often talks about the psychological affect of dunks on the other team. the mental aspect of the game is real! more than that, kansas isnt even getting shots up so we're out of a rhythm. 19-1 run. we need to get a bucket at any cost!

jayhawkr34 6 years, 4 months ago

is there a bb game on, or is it the izzo show

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

i'm glad i don't get this game on tv and have to watch the streaky justin.tv or i'd be crying right now

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

I still have faith in our boys. Let's go!

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree jross.If this half could end as a single digit deficit that would be a victory.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

It looks like it may be a looooongg game !

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

i don't know what bill is thinking with these lineups...like he's already given up.

jayhawkr34 6 years, 4 months ago

and enough of the bb game, lets get back to the tom izzo show

rockchalks7 6 years, 4 months ago

great lineup... applton kleinmann reed morningstar and quintrell? what the hell we doin?

NH_JHawk 6 years, 4 months ago

cb32,I think Self is going with this lineup to send a message to the starters. If Self left Mk Morris in the game he'd be fouled out by now.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, even the refs are getting hurt now? This is an intense game for all parties involved....

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

yeah, i know...but we can't win this game with kleinmann

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Nice job, CBS. Janet Jackson's breast and Steve Wellmer's son-of-a-bitch on the air.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

The NCAA needs to get refs that are not already on Social Security. The game deserves officials that can keep up and not blow a knee or ankle.

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

we need to run more and not look to just run a half court set every time.

jayhawkr34 6 years, 4 months ago

i think my rec league team could beat the hawks today

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Definitely NOT in attack mode today !!

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

this is the ugliest ku game i ever remember.

NH_JHawk 6 years, 4 months ago

we are in danger of not even scoring 20 in a half.

Andrew Ledell 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey frompekka2sasha, not only what Wellmer said, but how about our very own Bill Self being in the area of Izzo's mic and suggesting they "put his ass in a chair at half court," in regards to Wellmer's injury? I had to rewind my DVR to be sure, but that is 100% what Coach Self said.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

the youth is being exposed. michigan states crowd makes the breslin center a hostile environment. kansas is out of a rhythm/flow. michigan state is playing with confidence. cole and sherron are being neutralized. too many turnovers. just about anything that can go wrong in the first half HAS. what do you say as a coach to the team in the locker room at halftime? I have NO idea!

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

My ugliest games that I can remember are the game at Wake Forest, at Villanova, at Oklahoma State (several times) and today is up there too. Of course we are young and this might be expected by a realist.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

This is one of those games Self talks about in his book, where everything is poor. He believes they are bound to happen. Big question will be how they respond in the second half.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

Proof that if Sherron and Cole can't get hot, we are screwed.

lance1jhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

An Amber Alert has just been issued for the Jayhawks offense! Last seen in Allen Field House.

erichamm1211 6 years, 4 months ago

Looks like the sloppy play vs Siena spills over to the Michigan St. game. Self better get this stuff straight and fast before Big 12 time in three days.

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

did you see that stat?? Turnovers in HALF of the possessions we had. Sick. Put the Topeka High School squad in -- they can do better than that!Sherron had 2 shots until a minute ago, and Cole - he's missed about 2/3 of his 3-footers :( Better just keep driving and hoping for fouls - because our shots and passes are horrible!

Theutus 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm debating not even watching the second half because this is so aggravating....And once again Collins comes out and plays like complete garbage. When are people going to start coming to the realization that he is NOT a team leader.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

I would much rather Kansas embarrass itself on local television.

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

uggghhh! sigh. why not start all the walkons second half, prevent injuries.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Tyshawn Taylor ... where has he been ?? Got the first dunk than what ??

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

'I told the witch doctor I am coach at KU....and then the witch doctor he told me what to do....'

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Probably ... still try to get more tickets for his family ... .

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Got em right where we want em. Standing on our nuts.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

KSU leading OU early 13-10. I know they will probably hang a banner if they beat OU but it would likely help our chances of winning the league if they do. It seems we always have one game like this every year. Let's hope this one is the only one!

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

Having listened to Tom Izzo 'miked up' has allowed me to come to this conclusion:Apparently, all you have to do to be a national championship coach is yell, "hands," "Get a rebound," and "Move".Unquestionable coaching skills.

Theutus 6 years, 4 months ago

At this rate, i wouldn't be too worried about winning the league... I'd be more worried about making it to the tournament.

Jesse Newell 6 years, 4 months ago

jayhawkologist — I've been told the fans are just saying "You! You! You!"

erichamm1211 6 years, 4 months ago

Tyshawn has gotten worse throughout the year. Morris twins are weak and very soft. KU is in trouble if they are going to rely on Morningstar and Reed to be big time contributors. Cole needs to freaking dunk the dang ball. Stop throwing up three foot crap shots of the glass. Be a man and hammer something down, you are freaking 6'11 for gods sake.

JNHawks 6 years, 4 months ago

I like Travis in the game, much more of an athlete and he is competing, Cole needs to finish the bunnies and dunks, we are playing a better team right now, that is OK, we need to compete better in the second half

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Theutus- I understand your frustration but couldn't disagree with your comment any more. We'll be fine. We are going to get better and have had highly ranked teams get blitzed on the road in late non-conference road games over the years. This is a young team so why should they be any different? Think about how many times it has happened over the years...

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone else remember how this game was supposed to happen a couple of years ago?Very convenient of Tom Izzo.

lance1jhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

pekka- You are right about geeting blitzed like this in the past, but I think in the overall scheme of how this season is playing out, that we need to get alot lot better to contend for the Big12 and make the tournament.

jayhawkr34 6 years, 4 months ago

what BB game? im watching the tom izzo show, with some MSU highlights throw in.....and now back to the izzo show, cbs should be embarassed.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

I just want to point out that out of 12 players on our roster, only 4 have scored...pathetic!

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

lance1- You are right about contending for the B12 title but this team is going to the tourney. I guarantee that will happen.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Jesse, how is our body language looking out there?Releford is starting the 2nd half, good sign...makes up for the dumb move of starting Kieff.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

We lost our aggresiveness when the refs brought the players together after one of the early fouls. That will not sit well with Self.

FlaHawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Just likr Zona road game the Hawks mailed in the results. I exoected more from Cole and Sherron bu they too look and act like frosh.Coach Self has a real problem with this team on the road. No leadership.Redshirt Little and pray for a wake up call.

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect us to win this game -- I wanted to , and I think we had a good chance, but I didn't expect to win. What I DID expect was to not be humiliated on national television. Under 20 points in a half. So many turnovers you lose count (half of the possessions??) Mediocre defense, at best. Chaos substitutions (cmon coach!). Total embarrassment. Should be great for recruiting!

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

KU is not suffering lack of effort. KU has run into a terrific team that has the skill and depth to take away KU's down the middle game. The 2, 3, 4 players on the horizontal axis are the ones who are not coming forward.KU now has to resort to defense and play defense in order just not to get humiliated. Do they have the character and courage yet? Do they have the want to? Or are they too young and too scared of the beating they have been given so far?The future of this team once again starts NOW!This not about winning or losing.This is about the kind of men they are.Can they fight on in the midst of disaster?

Alex Lent 6 years, 4 months ago

The Morris twins piss me off! We are doomed with these two KIDS playing for us.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

Tom Izzo is beginning to rival Tim Tebow for knob schlobage by these announcers.

lance1jhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

pekka- I hope your right. I also hope the Morris twins can start being coached, they have been nothing but a let down so far.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

It is time to put their men down. Because MSU has already done it. They tried to blind Sherron and KU failed to retaliate. Every time down the floor MSU must either be stopped or they must be put on the floor, no matter how many fouls it takes. They have been Izzoed in the first half. They must put their men down.

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

Forget the scoreboard, let's just play loose... We can't get any worse than in the 1st half, so come on, boys... Play hard!

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Quick question for Jesse and/or my fellow members of the peanut gallery...I've heard it said that our current freshman class is supposed to be better, given time, than the class that graduated last year. My question is, does anyone remember how we did when they were freshmen? Did they have similar struggles to the ones we have experienced this year?

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

what a start...some life in the boys this half!

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

LOL n start to the half, but..For all you jokers who keep saying Releford should start: you got your answer. NO WAY. Bench his butt.

Ben Kane 6 years, 4 months ago

i agree bp2u though it may be to lack of playing time earlier...he's not what we need right now. I don't recall seeing any good plays by little either.

Dale Kroening 6 years, 4 months ago

Make your shots,play D,and we can get back in this one. I hate to say it but the twins are soft, and QT isnt the answer either. Cole needs some help down low.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

jayhawkologist,Last year's class had seniors Wayne Simien, Aaron Miles, and Keith Langford when they were freshmen.They weren't asked to do nearly as much.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

KU brought a knife to a gunfight the first half. They started putting their men down the second half, but the KU scored a couple of times and reverted to an offensive game. They cannot win an offensive game against an Izzo coached team when they have less talent and depth. This cannot be about offense the rest of the game, or they will be savagely beaten. Izzo is giving them the baseline. They have to take it. They have to. This has to be about aggression and putting MSU down on one end and about the baseline on the other end. KU has to alley oop them to death. If they let up now, MSU will not only beat them, they will hurt one of our players. Guard, guard, guard and put them on the floor whenever they cannot be stopped. The youngsters are at war and seem so dazed they do not know it.

Jesse Newell 6 years, 4 months ago

jayhawkologist — Self often compares this young team to 2005-06.Here's that team's schedule: http://www2.kusports.com/mens_basketball/schedule/2005_06/That team started 3-4.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Lucky shot by MSU. Sherron is playing a nice 2nd half.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

Baseline, baseline, baseline. Shoot threes from the baseline. Drive the baseline. Alleyoop the baseline. It is what they are being given. Take it! Sherron driving from a wing is a suckers game. Izzo wants that. Izzo is trying funnel everything to the center of the court. Get the ball to the baseline.

Theutus 6 years, 4 months ago

Collins with another awful shot, off balance and contended by two guys.... Seriously, get a clue.

kusayzone 6 years, 4 months ago

6 turnovers in the first half? who should be benched??????? MSU is shooting everything out of their butt. Why worry about the students when Tom Izzo is just plain obnoxious screaming at whoever is closest to him!!

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Hightower is such a douche. He tries to show every guy up when he calls a foul hoping that they will say something back. I can't wait til he retires.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

Is anyone else tired of hearing announcers pronounce Tyrel Reed's name wrong?

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

Tyrel Reed can't hang with D1 players on the defensive end.The marshmallow twins drive me nuts. Sherron and Cole can't play 2 on 5.Very frustrating to watch...

kc_wildfire 6 years, 4 months ago

I just heard a whistle....one of the Morris twins must have committed another foul :-)

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Morris was going hard for a loose ball. Let's not bag on the guy when he is trying to do something positive.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe that they don't have a backup official.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

Alert!!!Little fouls out before a Morris twin.Should we be surprised by the progress of these twins. Afterall, they were dicking around with eligibility issues when everybody else was getting to work.

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey, we've already scored more points than in the entire first half...

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

Little understands basketball against Izzo. Its too late, but that's what should have been happening the entire first half from the tip off. You CANNOT play nice with mug ballers. Now KU's players are about to get beaten up. But they cannot back down. Refs will not call anything now in MSU's crib and Izzo knows it. Put your man down hawks, for he will do the same to you.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, at least we are playing better in the 2nd half. This is reassuring.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

If CBS is going to keep showing Tom Izzo, can they at least show him saying something more interesting? He has got to be the most boring coach in history.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

For god's sakes, has Self forgotten everything he learned about Big Ten basketball? About Ratso Izzo?KU's players are going to be kicked (Reed) and tripped (Collins) and throat chopped and eye poked for the rest of the game. PUT YOUR MEN DOWN, IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR BUDDIES!

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

These two refs are polar opposites. Hightower making all the foul calls, the other guy letting them play.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

2 Bricks from Morris ... . Get your head into the game .... focus !!

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

Releford looks and plays scared... We need an enforcer in there, not a bunch of puppies.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Oh lord. The twins need to sit. And one of them needs to transfer. I never liked the idea of having twins. Not personally, and not as a fan. Hey if they both need to go in order to save the umbilical cord then so be it.I think the other talent deserves a chance. Q.T. included. He must've really pissed Bill off to be riding pine at this point.And Little just fouled out. Are you mother-funking kidding me?! OUT? That's Big Reds' job. It's gonna take some time to figure out what the hell Self wants from these guys. Why even bother recruiting Q.T. if you have no plans to play him? He's the type of player we needed today. I'm speechless. Sort of.Did I miss something? Did Q.T. sleep with Bill's wife? Did he shoot somebody with a plastic BB or something? How bad could he be? My mother is getting more PT, and she's the designated quilter.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

Missouri only scored 18 in the first half too. I'm not sure if we should take that as a good thing or a bad thing, but it's always good to see Missouri losing.

Theutus 6 years, 4 months ago

ku98, I actually think Releford is playing better D today than most of the guys on the court.... And he's still sprinting around the court on offense, unlike most of our guys who are just standing around looking lazy and tired.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Our guys, including Cole, just quit on that last play. I can handle the loss but I want max effort from my Jayhawks. Glad he called a TO to rip their heads off!

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

By the way, 9 for 18 from the FT line...

ku98 6 years, 4 months ago

Theutus, yes, he does run around, but I observed him closely, and he really shies away from contact.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey a highlight of a hawk going to the rim.

kc_wildfire 6 years, 4 months ago

frompekka2sasha ...Didn't mean to get your goat there buddy. But when a whistle is blown during a KU game it is a good bet it is for a foul on one of the Morris twins since Markieff averages a foul every 5 minutes 50 seconds and Marcus averages one every 8 minutes 40 seconds. Toss in today's game where Markieff fouled out in 13 minutes and maybe, just maybe you will get the point of my original post.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

MSU is just a terrific team, so there is no shame in a young team getting pounded by them. Don Izzo has created a tremendously well balanced team that goes about their business with cool, calm detachment of hit men. They are highly skilled. They play entirely within their limits. They do exactly as they are told. They execute...with extreme prejudice. This is going to be a fabulous game tape for KU to watch. I hate how rough Ratso plays the game. I hate the way he teaches his players to kick and trip and eye gouge, when they are not bodying and shoving. But, man, this is a new level of excellence for the thug ball style of play. If it didn't represent a total debasement of the game, I could praise it. But you can bet that KU will now be taught how to kick and trip and eye gouge, just as they learned the hack'n'slap from Howland two years ago, and the zone press from Dunlap recently. KU is going to become a very violent team after this loss. Self has seen where the bar now actually stands about what is permitted come Madness time this season. Big 12 teams ARE going to be playing rougher, or they are not going to be playing in the post season. Another mile stone in the migration of the game to mug ball has been witnessed. If you are not going to resort to speed ball to run around it, the way Roy does, then you have no choice, even in "70 point take what they give us" Eddie ball, to escalate. Very sad.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

I get the point of your original post. However you posted something negative after he went for a loose ball.

jayhawkarmy 6 years, 4 months ago

WE HAVE TO GET OVER THIS HUMP OF NOT WINNING ON THE ROAD WHATS THE DEAL THEY ACT LIKE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

And at the other end of the spectrum of the assist to turn over ratio.......

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

Case in point: pass off Releford's chest underneath from Collins. Keep shooting 3s and drawing fouls! Our only chance...

Rick Arnoldy 6 years, 4 months ago

I didn't expect to win this game. I also didn't expect to be subjected incessant drivel from Izzo being mic'ed.

Ed Fox 6 years, 4 months ago

Jesse - maybe complaining won't do any good - but they're right. This has been a poorly officiated game. Whether or not it's the cause of the 18 point game, they may see these refs in the future and they should make it clear how poorly they're doing today.It's ironic that two refs "can't see everything," yet they're blowing their whistles more than any other crew we've seen this year. Hightower, as usual, has made this game about himself. What other ref blows the whistle, screams as loud as he can, and puts on a freakin' pantomime, usually while grabbing one of the players involved? He's a joke and this game shows it more than almost any other. The fact that we all even know his name should tell you something - he's a referee! He shouldn't be that famous.They should complain. They should yell. They also should play better - but those two things aren't mutually exclusive. And I hope you realize that your complaining about their complaints makes you look just about as silly.

Theutus 6 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate, i usually agree with a lot of your posts, but I couldn't disagree more....MSU may be a great team, and if we were getting beat on that fact I'd be ok with it.... Instead we are getting beat because we are playing without any intensity or heart...At some point we need to stop making excuses for terrible effort/play.

TNJhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

If they show Rizzo's face one more time, I'm going to kick in the TV.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

Nice effort to close out the game by the Hawks. Just wish the middle part would have been much better.

Ed Fox 6 years, 4 months ago

KGPhoto - that post about QT was probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

11 point game. 4:57 left. A crack in the door. MSU has missed a few finally. Time for Brady, Tyrel and Sherron to pull the three point trigger.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

That's the way to put a man down!!!!

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 4 months ago

B4K- I must agree with your comment. As if being "recruited" guarantees PT for QT. You don't know what you have in a player until they learn the system and he definitely looks lost in the headlights.

Chief_Met 6 years, 4 months ago

How many games are we going to lose this year due to free throws....A problem that has plagued this program for years. Amazing as it is, we would be leading this game right now if not for the crappy free throw shooting

jayhawkarmy 6 years, 4 months ago

OK I TURNED THE TV BACK ON COME ON HAWKS

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

"Time for Brady, Tyrel and Sherron to pull the three point trigger."I was just thinking the same thing.

Jesse Newell 6 years, 4 months ago

Chief_Met — KU leads the Big 12 in free-throw shooting.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, we have cut it down to 11....that is an improvement. At the beginning of this season, I wasn't expecting the numbers that last year's team was producing. All I ask is steady, and more importantly, consistent, improvement where mistakes are addressed and learned from. In the grand scheme of things, what this team has (hopefully) learned from mistakes so far this season will hopefully help us.

TNJhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

KGphoto... agree about the twins. Like those twins from Mizzou a few years ago, these guys just seem to share one brain, one heart (and 10 fouls per game) between the two of them. I think their leaping ability got split too.On the bright side, all our incompetent players have fouled out and we're coming back!

Chief_Met 6 years, 4 months ago

yeah, but we lost to syracuse because of it, and this game it will cost us...can't seem to make em when it matters most

soapboxstew 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm out here in Hawaii; the good news about that is that I get to be the first to comment on this story (among all the other good news that goes with being in HI), the bad news about that is that I have to get up @ 8 am to catch the game (not so easy for a guy that starts sleeping long after the bars close).I looked at the all-time record Bill Self v Tom Izzo, and Bill was 3-2 v Izzo while at Illinois. Self had a winning record with vastly inferior talent. I hope Self can muster a game effort from our boys, and beat a team with superior talent.Even if we don't win, I want to see us fight for every bucket and believe for every second that we can win this game. no quitting!This is my first comment about this team, this season: I like the foundation that has been set. Cole and Collins are solid, but they will be STARS if they stay for another season. Morningstar and Reed have impressed me, but they are not the NBA bound SF that we need on this team. That is why X would have been huge for this team (could you imagine THIS team with a 3 like X?). Morningstar just can't rebound like we need a 3 to. But if you could bring Brady and Reed off the bench to drop 3's and play D, I love our team. Mario could be the 3 that I'm looking for, but time will tell... The Morris duo are not as advertised, but I do see glimmers of hope; like MC's first half against Siena, or the hi-lo I've seen them operate from time-to-time. If we can get a PF that can drop the 3 ball (like MC was supposed to), forcing the D to honor that, we will be impossible to defend. All-and-all we are a super-stud SF from being a GREAT team (a year from now). X will rue the day when he is at Memphis with Tyreke Evans and no front court what-so-ever (Memphis loses their only bigs after this season). When he is vying for super-star status against Evans and whoever else they get, barely making the tourney, and never being on TV in worthless C-USA, he'll wish he was in crimson and blue; and we'll wish we had him, as he is the missing piece of what would be the #1 team in the nation next year.As we are this year, we have a PG and a C, and that will take you places in the tourney; just ask Georgia Tech when they beat us in the E8 with Jack and that Aussie C that went off 'till the Championship game. We could get to that game with luck and fire.Aloha, beat msu

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

TNJhawk - The twins seem to have some kind of connection when they are on the floor together though. They seem to just know where the other one is on the floor and they make some pretty good passes to each other. (I'm just trying to come up with some positives since everybody is so negative about the twins...well really all of the freshmen.)

soapboxstew 6 years, 4 months ago

I wrote that last night-and I was right.WE NEED AN NBA SF to be a legit team

Chris Teegarden 6 years, 4 months ago

ohioburg I would guess Ed Hightower wrote it

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

Ed must have felt guilty for some of the early whistles.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Love Sherron's reaction after the drive layup foul.From the ground. Fixes his sock. All relaxed. He just fouled out two Spartans in two possessions. Nailed his FTs. and fixes his sock like its pantyhose. Some things you just remember.

rockchalkin54 6 years, 4 months ago

Well this has been the best second half of the season. I guess it's a start.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

I know how important conference play is to Self. They will have a tough road.

Brian Powell 6 years, 4 months ago

Refs are terrible, both ways. If it wasn't for a horrendous first half, every which way (even coaching, substitutions, imo), we'd had a chance in the 2nd half. Releford needs to stay on the bench with Little. Twins can play a few minutes so Cole can rest. Off to puke,

Ed Fox 6 years, 4 months ago

Couldn't disagree more about Travis. He's finally developing into a decent defender and he adds even more speed and athleticism on the floor. He has huge potential and the only way he's going to get it is to keep getting PT. I would actually loosen the reigns on him a bit and let him shoot more. He's 3/4 from 3 this year, if I'm not mistaken, and if he can shoot from the outside, then his first step and athletic ability will only be amplified when guys have to defend him. Right now, he's too tentative to shoot.

NH_JHawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Definitely one of the worst 1st halves to watch in recent memory. Seems like the twins haven't progressed much lately and they are both foul machines. I hope they tighten up for conf. play because we can't rely on Cole and Collins alone. Overall I'm encouraged that we didn't just roll over and totally quit. I liked our 2nd half effort. Let's learn from this game and get ready for KState Tuesday night. The heart of the schedule is upon us now.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

I like the coach's handshake. Bill is practically laughing, and Ratzo is recovering from a minor stroke. Perhaps Izzy can schedule himself another down year for Kansas in 2013.

RedRed 6 years, 4 months ago

Turn Out the Lights ... The PARTY is Over !!

Lance Hobson 6 years, 4 months ago

Also reporting from Hawaii, I offer a question: Will Kansas win a road game this year?I doubt it.

lance1jhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

NH_JHawk- I couldn't agree with you more. The twins have just been awful since arriving in Lawrence.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

So lets get serious about this defensive thing again. It seems the pieces are here. Releford showed the athleticism and desire to be a defensive star. Little plays MUCH bigger than 6'5". Morningstar is solid. Cole is an albatross.We should shred the Big 12, again. If we can just fixate on defense.These Spartans shot their wad to beat the defenders of the tourney. They circled this game, they took their vitamins, they sealed it with a (gulp) spartan kiss.Let's just take out our aggressions on whomever is next. Does anybody know who that might be? I can't remember. But if they're purple.. THEIR DEAD!!

Tony Bandle 6 years, 4 months ago

Once again, missed the game [every game I miss they seem to lose]..maybe I better stop missing games. Anyway, what's the verdict on Little? I saw he fouled out, so he must have played for some minutes, unless he was called for five consecutive fouls.[reading the posts about the refs, it sounds like that ridiculous scenario was a possibilty today!!]Did he appear to be moving any better than his previous appearances?Getting it down to 9 points with a chance at cutting more near the end was somewhat of a testament to the fight in our young team, but the road woes, 1-4, and Kansas City is not Allen Fieldhouse, will be the biggest obstacle for this young team.The good news is that two of the first three conference games are in Allen and the third, Colorado, having the combination of their crappy team and annually a huge contigent of KU fans, will give this team some momentum for the start of conference play..

Ed Fox 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, if nothing else, in terms of road games - there is always Colorado.

Ed Fox 6 years, 4 months ago

Oakville - If Little didn't redshirt after today, I'd be incredibly shocked. He didn't really add much on the floor (in only 7 minutes, I believe) and did not look to be moving that well to me. I just don't see how he can add much to the team after missing as much practice as he has and still having to be tentative about his leg.

BCRavenJHawkfan 6 years, 4 months ago

Just listened to the post game on The Lazer. Self sounded controlled, as if this game has already been put aside. At some point these players will realize what it really takes. I've said it before, they have to realize they are not big fish in a small pond, they are just another fish in a big pond.

Alex Lent 6 years, 4 months ago

When I watch this team, even when we are playing really well and together, I don't see the athleticism and flashes of great talent like I did with the group of youngsters in 2005-06. I hate to say it but those kids were all five stars, very highly touted recruits (Mario, Brandon, Julian, Darrell). I don't know what to think just yet but I really am concerned with all the recruits we have missed out on lately. I know Bill is a great, but if you don't have those kids who play at the next level, it will take longer and be a helluva long & frustrating ride to winning anything. Here's to Bill's coaching!

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

This is awesome. This is wonderful. This young team has fought through adversity and has made a game of it. They added a dimension to their game the last 8 minutes that was until now just a lot of tough talk by coaches to green kids. This is magnificient even though they took a substantial beating! This is what KU had to learn before the conference starts. This is a moral victory, if ever there were one. Contrary to popular belief, sometimes moral victories are more important than W's--for a young team. There are some lessons, especially those related to playing outside the rules of the game, that cannot be learned any other way than by direct exposure to the violence of combat. KU learned more about how hard and rough you have to be able to play, when necessary, from this game than from all the other games combined. They've been to war now. They will see a few better individual players the rest of the season. They may even see a better team. But they will never see a team that plays better, more within itself, and tougher and rougher and dirtier than MSU. KU's team lost its virginity today. They're not young in the naive sense anymore. They have seen real hardwood violence. Now its up to them what they make of themselves in the world of D1 basketball.Regarding Izzo: Frankly, after having railed about Izzo's style of play, I want to take a moment and say that Coach Izzo actually took it easy on KU relative to what I have seen him do to other teams. And he probably could have run up the score and put a couple of our guys out of the game. He let up on KU, once we were out of it. Look on this game as a gift between coaches. Izzo knows he and Self will meet again. He knows he had the better, more experienced team. He knows next year or the following year he won't. This is the gentlemanly side of Tom Izzo that I like. He is a tremendous sportsman on one level. But he just does believe that you have to be able to play dirty to win within the rules the way the refs call the game. He's probably right. Congratulations, Coach Izzo. You're as tough as they come. You're as bad as you have to be. But you don't crush an opposing coaches young team beyond what you have to do.Game Analysis: KU mighht have had a chance to win this game had KU shot well at all from trey and the charity stripe, but we'll never know, because we'll never know how KU's young players would have responded had Izzo had them play Izzo-ball all the way to the final buzzer. More guys would have fouled out. Some more KU guys would have gotten hurt. Its best to say KU got beat by a better team today, but it is at least promising that they kept it as close as they did shooting as poorly as the did the entire game, and playing as dazed and scared as they did for the first 20 minutes.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

Outside of intimidation, the game's outcome was determined on the backboards, especially the offensive backboards. MSU won 13 to 6 on offensive boarding. To put it in perspective, MSU got two times as many chances to score on stick backs as we did. Put another way, MSU effectively got 7 more possessions than we did just because of offensive boarding. Overall they kicked our butts on the boards 39 to 28.MSU also shut off our running game almost completely; that was really impressive.Finally, as I noted during the game, KU was given the baseline the entire game to run their offense almost uncontested and they did almost nothing with it. Self tried to insert Releford for some oops, at one point, but he was too inexperienced and just plain not big enough. Travis is getting better, but he's a very short 6'4". At least 2 inches of that is in a longer neck than the average player. I would bet measured at the shoulders he is the same height as Mario Chalmers and RR. Releford will be a good player, but he just wasn't big enough, even with good springs, to work the baseline against a physical, big MSU team that came crashing to recover after giving away the baseline.Again regarding the baseline, why Tyrel and Brady were not positioned in the corner to take the give away three their is puzzling. The logical answer is that they must not be very accurate from the corner, Izzo knew it, and Self knew it too. KU has to develop someone who can shoot the trinity from the corner, or they are going to get very sick of seeing 2-3 zones stretched to the trey stripe in front and on the wings and giving the baseline.Best news of all, it appears KU made it through the game without anyone getting badly hurt. Against MSU, especially in their good years, sometimes that is the best you can hope for.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

The athleticism is certainly there. They just need some new pants.Something with a college cut. It'll come.

ksharddem 6 years, 4 months ago

What I cannot understand is why Matt is riding the bench behind the Morris twins who 1) don't understand the offense 2) don't understand the defense 3) cannot transition 4) cannot make free throws 5) continue to make dumb foulsHEY TWINS -- MOVE YOUR FEET!! The days of you two mental midgets being the best players out on the court and dominating appear to be at an end. Now it is time to work to get better.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

After the mistreatment they got in the first half, their shorts probably were soiled and had to be washed. I still have my old Detroit t-shirt. Detroit where the weak are killed and eaten.

Godisajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

"An upset Collins showed his scratch to both officials while Self screamed in the background. I don’t know what good that was supposed to do."Perhaps get us the free throws that Collins subsequently shot?You're an idiot

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Haha! poopy pants. I get it.jaybate, I would ask you to marry me if it weren't for your fixation with Releford's neck. He's WAY bigger than Mario. And he may have (God forbid) even more potential in this version of Hawk Basketball. He's an athlete even Kansas doesn't frequent. He'll have his time. Q.T. is the mystery to me. 2 rebounds in zero minutes, in a game defined by the rebound margin.I stated before that we needed to come out elbow first, mixing it up, in order to beat this team in Sparta. The 911 re-shoot of the twin towers collapsing surely wasn't the answer. Nobody had the answer until Ratzo called it off.So why not Q.T.?

Rick Arnoldy 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't think it's going to happen, KGphoto. I think we're the fourth best team behind OU, UT, and Baylor (no particular order) even in what looks to be a so-so year for the B12. I wouldn't be surprised to see A&M finish ahead as well. Given those are all South teams whom we only play once we should still slip our way into the Tournament. A Sweet 16 appearance should propel the team into a good couple of years coming up.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Sweet 16?Isn't that amazing ohioburg? The south keeps materializing Naismith winners, but they can't win the conference. And baby you're dreaming if you're 4th in the Big 12 and believe you're sweet 16 material. I'll be glad if we sort out this mess enough to trudge through a bad Big 12 and make the tourney at all.But you live in ohioburg somewhere so I don't expect...... wait. I told myself. It's a new year's resolution. Don't be a prick.Hi...oburg. Don't forget the tiggers. 4 years of hell could wrap up into 40 minutes by the end of the year. But don't bet your mortgage on it.Enough basketball. I'm watching NFL defense now.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 4 months ago

Bummer.... I was hoping for a miracle I guess. Releford and the Twins have a LONG ways to go. Nice to see Morningstar and Reed playing smart. Cole is playing is butt off. We need more talent. We're missing 1-2 great players to have the potential to be an elite team. Sadly, I feel that even if everyone on this team plays to their full potential, there are several teams out there that could still beat us. Initally I was thinking REDSHIRT to Little, but sadly, he doesn't look like much. Maybe we only want him using up 1 more scholarship year??? I hope I'm wrong.

Jesse Newell 6 years, 4 months ago

Godisajayhawk — Collins did not get free throws when he was scratched. On the next dead ball, he showed the damage to the officials.

Blake Brown 6 years, 4 months ago

Its not fun entering a game feeling like we are going to get trounced and certainly the first half played out that way. Respectful final result after embarassing 1st 30 minutes mindful of Ball State in Maui under Roy only that team had stellar players who underachieved then. Horrible effort especially the twins, Mario, Tyshawn and Travis, not to mention 6 turnovers by Sherron in the first. Same o, same o- not finishing, not blocking out on the defensive boards, lazy passes and unusually bad FT shoooting. Defensive lapses galore. We all keep talking about learning lessons and improving like after Arizona. Not many signs of that yet. Kleinmann hurt us in ways a senior should not.Can we win a road game in conference? Id red shirt Mario based upon his play and shape as well as anything else. By the time he gets it together, he might help win a game or 3. Is that worth a year of elgibility?Long season for us hawk fans. Patience and forgiveness our best virtues. Recordings of last season are best highlights so far this year.

ICTjayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Are you kidding me PikesPeak? Of course there are plenty of teams out there that can beat a team of freshman playing to their full potential. Oh I forgot, if they aren't spectacular in the first half of their freshman year, they never will be. Might as well sends these kids home and start over. And you're telling me that if Mario Little isn't up to game spead in his third game after recovering from a leg injury then he is just a waste of space. Wow, are you even a KU fan?

ICTjayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

And why isn't anyone talking about how overrated MSU is? My goodness, KU played horrible but only lost by 13. The way they played they should have lost by 25, but MSU didn't show that they were very good either.

kvskubball 6 years, 4 months ago

Collins 8 assists and 8 turnovers...25 points is nice. He is a good scorer, but needs to improve as a point guard, especially his decision making and distributing. He often passes late and doesn't seem to know who is on the floor with him and doesn't remember that young players and inexperienced players won't bail him out and catch his bad passes. When he makes good decisions we look like a good team, and when he doesn't....we look lost.I'm glad the team didn't quit. They seemed to only go through the motions of playing basketball for awhile, before Coach called a timeout and ripped 'em. Decent finish. Not very many turnovers in the 2nd half.I don't understand why everybody is ripping on the freshmen. They are freshmen. Many of you sound like spoiled little kids crying over their spilt milk. I'll repeat THEY ARE STILL FRESHMEN. Obviously people don't remember how maddening Julian was as a freshman (And at times during his sophomore year as well). Or how Arthur seemed to disappear for long stretches, or how Chalmers looked like he wanted to go home and cry to his mommy in Hawaii, because he couldn't get the ball past half court.But the Junior who is the bus driver needs to be calm, cool, and make good decisions. He's not a snowplow. I hope he learns and improves. If we had a point guard that had a 5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio (Like MSU) we'd be a heck of a team, even with freshmen on board. Yes the assist to turnover ratio would be better if he had juniors and seniors on board, but hey that's not the hand we're dealt this year.If they keep working and continue to improve, this is still a team that can make the tournament. Maybe not much else because of how young we are, but if we make the tournament, well you never know how far you can go!Rock on Jayhawks!

kvskubball 6 years, 4 months ago

Oh yeah, another comment that I keep making to myself as I watch this team play. Would somebody other than Collins act like they want to shoot the ball even if they aren't wide open, or get it to Cole, cause he will try to shoot it. A lot of times the guards look like they've never seen a basketball and don't know what to do with it other than try to pass it to someone else...and they often seem to need to think about it before they do that.

Rick Arnoldy 6 years, 4 months ago

KG, my Sweet 16 is a wish, I'm not expecting it. But to get there you don't have to finish high - you just need to be hot at tourney time. And I thought about the tiggers - I just can't bring myself to giving them any credit!

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

I hear ya burg. But I'd rather have a rival than a doormat.

KGphoto 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey is it me, or does the Fox NFL announcer look like Kevin Harlan's retarded younger brother? Where's Kevin? Did you get him this job? Can you have half of down syndrome?

Lance Hobson 6 years, 4 months ago

Start bracing yourselves for the NIT folks.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

Strikewso, youre an idiot. Not because its not in the realm of possibility that KU might go to the NIT, but because you use this game (which is evident in the timing of your remark) as evidence to support your conclusion. This is one of the top teams in the nation and we were playing on their home floor...with Ed Hightower as a referee to add insult to injury. The only other team we'll face this tough between now and the tournament is OU. Translation: the games we have left wont go the way this one did, and therefore its idiotic to judge our tournament changes on THIS GAME!

speedy 6 years, 4 months ago

izzo is truly obnoxious! he and the tenn coach make you turn off the sound. they both hassel the reffs and hightower has always called too many fouls down low. i figured we,d lose by 20. but at least they fought back in the 2nd half. the big 10 has always been known for rough play for many years. maybe we will get them again in 2 years.

Eric Dyck 6 years, 4 months ago

It was sort of interesting listening to Izzo the first couple of times while "miked up", but it quickly became irritating, and I muted the sound whenever his face appeared during those segments. However, I'm glad I didn't mute the conference when the refs were explaining to the coaches why the rest of the game would only have two officials. We were clearly able to hear, via Izzo's mike, Welmer describe his injury, ending with the expression, on national TV, "son of a *itch". Hilarious.The announcers of this game also irritated me. At one point, Clark and Vern were chatting away about this and that, nothing informative, while on-screen the Hawks were cutting into the lead. Clark finally notices, and says, "Hey Vern, we need to start paying attention, the lead is down to 11" or something like that. I actually got the impression that they hadn't been watching the game for the last few minutes.

irish2255 6 years, 4 months ago

About what was expected, but at least they kept fighting. Would have been easy to let this get embarassing. As far as saying the Hawks won't win a road game, give me a break, we play at ISU, NU, and CU (should pick one up at MU or KSU).

Jack Wilson 6 years, 4 months ago

I have not read all the comments yet .. but this is the perfect example of why this team will never stack up against top 10 type teams this year. Brady Morningstar plays 29 minutes, 5 points (2 of which came in the last seconds of the game), 3 rebounds, and 2 assists. From your 3 man. He just could not even get open for shots. He only took 4.Releford played 21 minutes, 0 points.Little brought nothing.That is the real weakness of this team. If that changes, this team changes.And perhaps Taylor could please push the ball up the court. The little shuffle steps are maddening.

Buck08 6 years, 4 months ago

I dont really care who scored however many points and who didnt, this team will be lucky to win one game away from allen fieldhouse! They can't do it, at least not this year. I'm really hoping Collins stays for his senior season and there is no way in hell that Aldrich is going to the NBA any time soon HE MAY BE ALMOST SEVEN FOOT TALL BUT HE PLAYS LIKE A LITTLE BABY INSIDE ON THE OFFENSIVE END! I really think Collins is getting better at being a leader, I actually feel better when the ball is in his hands now. But this team could possibly come out with a losing record, not even joking! They are terrible, thats all their is to it. But next year if Collins stays this team will be Big12 Championship worthy and actually stop playing like little girls on the road!

Buck08 6 years, 4 months ago

Aldrich you need to be a frikn man on the offensive end and jump into some guys taking it hard to the glass. No more of this turn around, fade away, not even looking at the basket sometimes before I shoot it, hook shot! I am so sick of that and I am sure everyone else is too! You are seven foot tall for god sake act like it. If you would start shot faking and jumping towards the basket and creating a lot of contact possibly even getting an and 1, with your free throw percentage you would be averaging a lot more than what you are now!

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

KGphoto,Night of MSU game day and the bitter taste replaced by a martini and some bar-b-que, I conclude Self knew it was going to be a savaging and decided to keep the frosh out of harm's way in this one..at least as much as possible. Look at the frosh minutes.Quantum Taylor 18Quintrell Thomas 6Kieff Morris 14Cus Morris 8Releford 21None of them played even half a game, except for Releford. And his anemic line score appears written in Base 2. And when you can only get 22 minutes out of the Morris Twins composite player, you are just protecting them from being eaten by wolves, not subbing for match-ups.Newcomer Little was a designated fouler and out in 7 minutes. The second coming he ain't.Bottom line, Collins, Morningstar, Aldrich and Reed got beat up in an alley in East Lansing, but they acted like men. They kicked a couple people in the nuts before the black jacks and baseball bats sent them face surfing on the pavement.The frosh, on the other statistical hand, played like Vienna Boys choir castrati. They ran and when they couldn't hid, they laid down and covered up, while the thugs had their ways with their rib cages, teeth and drawn-up cojones.Even Releford, who admittedly made some progress just by running around for 1,260 seconds without getting decapitated by flying elbows and wind pipe chops, still looked mostly like a yearling let out of a corral in an artillery barrage.

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

We're probably going to learn that some of these frosh were sick with a bug. Well, maybe. Most of them were shivering in front of the big, bad Spartans like they had malaria and Izzo was denying them quinine.But...When all the saying and doing is done, what happened is that Ratso Izzo looked at KU and told his team: stop their soft frosh--Tyshawn Taylor and the Morris Twins--slap them around till they like it--and we win. And they did. Look a the points of these three.Taylor 2 Kieff 4Cus 2Frankly, it is amazing we weren't beaten by 30 when those three guys get held to 8 points.Implication: Despite often not looking like it, KU must have been playing some pretty tough defense, when they weren't getting pole-axed on the boards, locked down on offense, and kicked in the nuts and gouged in the eyes where ever they went. Note that Cheegan State shot only 39.3% on FGs. One other remark: Ratso Izzo played 9 guys double digit minutes. By comparison, Self only played 7 guys double digit minutes. Inference: Ratso was making sure to keep his guys fresh for the next game. Had he played his best seven, we'd have been beaten by 25. :-(Regardless, I'm still optimistic about this team. I still think it is going to play for the Big 12 crown and maybe win it, or take second. And if we catch Cheegan State in the Madness, I suspect we will beat them then. You can bet that by March, this bunch of Jayhawks are going to learn to field strip, clean, reassemble and fire assault rifles at the next gun fight. No more knives (or beebee guns) for these Jayhawks. Just AK47s, full metal jackets and some IEDs.Of course, the frosh have to realize now that MSU has left them marked as softies. And they are going to have no choice now but to man-up to the next several opponents, or simply start wearing cheap skirts and stilleto heels and take their slaps.Get these frosh some clips and a thousand rounds a piece. They are going to need them.

Buck08 6 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate - you are not a poet, stop trying to write like one it appears that you are trying to show off or something. Nobody cares...

jaybate 6 years, 4 months ago

Buck.000000008,Read ur posts. Sooooooooft as Charmin.Next.

Buck08 6 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate - My posts are directly to the point, idiot. Your posts are so dumb in some weird way they make people angry with you. We are talking about basketball here bud, not trying to become professional poets ok. haha you cant even insult me without using an analogy, wow your dumb. Soft as Charmin? Good one ;)

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