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Thursday, February 12, 2009

Robinson hoping to receive bid to McDonald’s All-America game

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Kansas University basketball signee Thomas Robinson is hoping he’ll be selected for the 2009 McDonald’s All-America game, set for April 1, at the University of Miami (Fla).

“I’ll be disappointed if I don’t (land invitation). I feel I deserve to make it,” the 6-foot-8, 222-pound senior power forward from Brewster Academy in Wolfeboro, N.H., said Wednesday in a phone interview.

“Our league is one of the toughest in the country,” he added of the Lakes Region League. “Whatever happens, but I’d love to play in the game. I’m supposed to find out for sure next week.”

Robinson, who chose KU over Memphis, Texas, Miami and Southern California in the early signing period, averages 18 points and 13 rebounds a game for 19-6 Brewster Academy.

He’s had some monster games, including a 30-point, 20-rebound outing against Marianapolos. He had 15 points, 15 boards and seven blocks in another January victory over Exeter.

Rivals.com’s No. 18-rated player exploded on the national scene on last summer’s AAU circuit. He’s expected to be an immediate impact player for KU next season.

“Thomas is arguably as good a rebounder as there is out there,” KU coach Bill Self said. “He has a motor. If he was here now, he would have the most active motor on the team.”

Robinson missed Brewster’s game on Wednesday night because of what the player called a “minor hand injury.”

KU’s other fall signee, Elijah Johnson, has averaged 15.9 points and 3.9 assists a game for 21-3 Las Vegas Cheyenne High. The 6-foot-2 point guard has battled a minor knee injury this season.

“He’s been checked by the best of doctors. His knee is fine,” Johnson’s dad, Marcus, said of Rivals.com’s No. 27-rated player who chose KU over Oklahoma and Texas.

“If Elijah was here right now and healthy, he’d be our most explosive athlete on the team,” Self said. “He’s been nicked up a bit, but when out there he is something else.

“I don’t want to put pressure on him (but) on his visit (to KU) he put his head above the rim. They say he can do some things athletically we’ve not seen here. He’s probably as good an athlete as we’ve coached since we’ve been here.”

Recruiting analysts, for what it’s worth, have speculated that Robinson and Johnson will not be invited to play in the McDonald’s game.

Rivals.com has listed some names that have reportedly leaked out: Kenny Boynton, Avery Bradley, Dominic Cheek, DeMarcus Cousins, Abdul Gaddy, Keith Gallon, Xavier Henry, John Henson, Wally Judge, Ryan Kelly, Tommy Mason-Griffin, Alex Oriakhi, Dexter Strickland Dante Taylor, Maalik Wayns and David & Travis Wear. In all, 22 players are expected to be invited to play in the game.

“I’m not saying it can’t happen,” Self said when asked about the signees’ chances of making the McDonald’s game on his weekly Hawk Talk radio show. “Elijah has been hurt off and on all year. His numbers have been good, probably not the sustained success you probably need to get voted in the game. I could be wrong.

“I want all our guys to make it. To me, it’s the most overrated thing in college recruiting in terms of people basing that the guy can play or not because he’s in the McDonald’s game. A lot of times, guys in the McDonald’s game are picked before their senior year starts, from AAU ball.

“Thomas has a little bit of a chance because he’s been healthy all year. It’s never been a big deal to me. I want our kids to experience as much success as possible. I want them to make it. (But) it’s an all-star game. If you are a guard, you get off shots. If you are a big guy you get to take it out (of bounds) a lot.”

Participants have been announced for the Jordan Brand Classic, set for April 18 at Madison Square Garden. They are: Kenny Boynton, Avery Bradley, Dominic Cheek, DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Favors, Abdul Gaddy, Keith Gallon, Jordan Hamilton, Lamont Jones, Xavier Henry, John Henson, Wally Judge, Tommy Mason-Griffin, Alex Oriakhi, Daniel Orton, Mason Plumlee, Durand Scott, Renardo Sidney, John Wall and Royce White.

Notes:

Withey ‘long’: A third member of KU’s 2009 recruiting class is Jeff Withey, a 7-foot transfer from the University of Arizona who already has impressed with a nice shooting touch at practice. He’ll be eligible to play at the conclusion of the first semester of the 2009-10 season.

“Jeff is long. He will put on weight,” Self said of the 225-pounder, who was the No. 36-rated player in the Class of 2008. “He has a good frame, can run, jump and has touch, and has things you can’t teach. One is waking up every morning and being 7-foot tall. He will be very good.”

Thompson booted: Future University of Texas player Tristan Thompson has been kicked off the St. Benedict (N.J) High team by coach Dan Hurley, Zagsblog.net reports.

Thompson, a 6-foot-8 junior, was booted “for public insubordination,” Hurley told Zagsblog.

Thompson is the No. 5-rated player in the Class of 2010, according to Rivals.com.

Hurley said Thompson did not follow orders on the court during a recent game.

“That’s the state of basketball,” Hurley told Zagsblog. “The kid came here as an unknown kid with potential and as an intelligent kid who is very likable. The problem in our sport now is that as kids get better and as their ranking rises, the people around these kids ruin them.”

Comments

Nick Cole 11 years ago

"Johnson, a 6-foot-8 junior, was booted “for public insubordination,” Hurley told Zagsblog."Gary, I think you mean "Thompson" not "Johnson" in this sentence. Just Guessing.

Clarence Haynes 11 years ago

Robinson and Withey will really give the 'Hawks a deeper and stronger inside game next year. They will make Aldrich even more effective!

Robert Brock 11 years ago

I hope that Cole sticks around another year. I think that Collins will leave - he needs the dinero - but Cole could really use another year before he faces the goons. Besides, he seems to enjoy the college life.

Michael Pannacciulli 11 years ago

If Aldrich stays, maybe QT develops some more, add in Robinson and Whitey, and hopefully the twins also get some in-game smarts they could be a solid front line. Collins is gone. Johnson will help fill the void but we will miss Collins' leadership. They should still be the league favorites for next year.

TWatson 11 years ago

When you say "we will miss Collins' leadership" do you mean the type of leadership that allows three games with leads of 8+ to vanish in the 2nd half? Coming into the year I had higher hopes for Collins. I understand he's averaging 18 points a game but where is he when KU needs him down the stretch?

kerbyd 11 years ago

Candy,Mine says Thompson unless it got changed.

Michael Bratisax 11 years ago

Don't give up on Collins. He has the pressure of leading a young team plus the expectations that are on him. I think it is 50/50 for him coming back.

KUPROUD 11 years ago

I agree with jhawk, Collins is feeling the pressure of being expected to make things happen every game. Last year he could just fit in and do his thing, knowing Chalmers and others were expected to lead. That said, for us to make a strong stretch run, I hope he finds a way to lead by making things work for other players in the closing minutes, and reduce his turnovers at critical times. He is the leader, and we will rise or fall with him.

kutodd 11 years ago

I love Collins but where is he going? Is he just going to pack up and play in Europe or the NBDL? He is not projected for the NBA draft. If someone has something that I am missing please let me know. I would love for Collins to leave and make lots of money but are some of you just overhyping him and speaking as fans? Again, he is one my all time favoriates at KU but I am just trying to understand why everyone keeps saying "if he comes back" or "he will be leaving."

klineisanazi 11 years ago

Collins will never, ever deplete the goodwill he earned last April by stealing the ball and hitting the next-to-the-biggest shot in KU basketball history. Yes, he deserves criticism when warranted, but he has already earned his place in Jayhawk history.

Chris Shaw 11 years ago

All Hail and Pay Heed to Collins!

cklarock 11 years ago

Half a million euros a year to play in Europe is great money for any kid, especially one with a family to support. I hope Sherron comes back, but I would totally understand if he goes pro.

I'm proud of the way he's accepted his leadership role head-on this season. He's a winner, and he has had a tough ask helping transform this group of freshmen into KU basketball players.

Chris Shaw 11 years ago

Cklarock: You make a great point! You all make it sound like playing in Europe is a bad thing. Sherron is a big enough "High Profile Name" that any team would be gladly to pick him up in Europe. I know that is not his goal, but he could easily sign for a 2 or 3 year contract at a mil per year. That's a pretty good career. Trajan Langdon gets 1.7 mil a year in Russia. Just because you don't make it in the NBA doesn't mean you're not successful. Whatever way you need to make the money then that is what you have to do. Just depends on what Sherron's goals are. Either way, I support his decision for leaving or coming back.

Timmay97 11 years ago

There are plenty of names like Collins in the NCAA that will go pro, some just as good. However, there are NOT that many Cole Aldrich's in the NCAA. You are all talking about the wrong player leaving KU.

Collins is going nowhere. It's Aldrich that might be gone. You can't teach size!

d_prowess 11 years ago

I don't follow the draft projections, so I am little ignorant on whether Collins could be drafted next year or not. However, I am confident that there is NO WAY that Collins would leave early for anything but the NBA. He will not leave KU if it means that he has to go to Europe.

100 11 years ago

Sherron & Cole are much more intelligent on this issue than some of you are giving them credit for. Sherron's game is great at times this year. A few games, he has shown he's not ready for the NBA. That's fine with him.It's not gonna make him work any less hard to get better.

He and Cole both know about next year's squad. They also both know if they stay how ridiculously amazing their stat lines are going to be. That's one of the first things a GM looks at. What's the kid's stat line? Is he athletic/ tall enough for the NBA? Does he understand team ball? Does he play defense? Does he have an unstoppable shot? Does he pick up teammates and make them better? Is he soft?

Cole & Sherron have a lot of these things going for them. And their workouts will be fine when they do them. But next year's team is going to be ridiculous. If they both stay, which, judging by everything right now they will, their stock will jump a full round apiece, which is literally millions of dollars. Both have a shot to be lottery picks next year with the stat lines they will possess. And another national championship ring to boot.

Also, the money question: Sherron "needs" the money... Are you kidding? If he and his family can make it through this year, there's nothing stopping him from staying a few extra months to make a few extra million down the road.

Give Sherron and his family some credit -- they are a smart group. They aren't desperate. Additionally, a college degree (and the true, lifelong self esteem that comes with it) is something Lebron (who relies on image, money and game for self esteem, a false self that "seems great" on TV) will never have. Not until Lebron is 45 will he realize he missed out on the best part of his life, and that hole in his heart will always be empty.

Sherron & Cole both will make an intelligent decision, based on bigger things than "quick money". I'm thankful Danny Manning is part of our program again and he can council kids like Sherron & Cole away from making detrimental life decisions...

It's all about the stat line, leading and finishing what you started.

Jeremy LeMaster 11 years ago

My thought is that Collins is coming back next year. He is awefully short to make an immediate impact in the pros and has disappeared a lot. One year in the spotlight is not enough. I see him testing the waters and getting some feedback. He will benefit from an extra year at KU. I just do not see Cole leaving.

Add some more talent around Collins and Cole... Taylor being another year older and we are looking at a top 5 team next year.

I enjoy watching them play, it is tough to watch a couple of these loses (expecially the Mizzou), but these struggles will make them tougher mentally... give them the killer edge to hang on to leads, to win the close ones, and to put teams away!

KUFan90 11 years ago

If I were a betting man (and I am) my money is on Sherron staying.

Tony Bandle 11 years ago

WOW!!!! I was thinking Collins leaving was a done deal, but all you guys make great points. The question is clear, which is better for KU, John Wall, a truly remarkable yet only a freshman, one and done or Sheron Collins, a four year , NC veteran. I think the answer is obvious. 2010: Collins, Taylor, Withey, Aldrich, Morningstar - 1st team Taylor, Johnson, Little, Robinson, Morris - 2nd team Releford, Reed, Morris, Appleton, Teahan - 3rd team

This roster is just OUTRAGEOUS!!!!! OOPs..I've got 15 players and 13 schollies...what's gonna give????

jaybate 11 years ago

People's pessimism about Collins departing this year and making it in the NBA fascinates me.

He will depart after this season and he will hang on as a back up his first two years in the L; then get a shot. I can't say if he'll ever be a starter. I'd guess he'll always be a backup. You just couldn't have a better backup.

Jacque Vaughn hung on for years with sharply less talent. Nash was drafted with much less talent and hung on years before anyone knew he could do what he's done. Collins is way better than Nash at the same time. Larry Brown just drafted the PG from Texas Number 1 and Collins is better than that guy.

How many times do we have to see Collins busting his butt against defenses rigged entirely to stop him, practically ignoring everyone else on KU's team, and watching him make schmucks out of most of them, before people wake up to how exceptional Collins is?

So he had 6 TOs against a full court pressing team on a difficult night. Most of the time he DOESN'T have 6 TOs. He has a decent amount considering all the risks he is expected to take with creating AND ball handling.

Regarding mock drafts and draft gurus on the web...they are only reliable picking the sure shots where huge consensus exists and anticipating what the sheep among GMs will do; i.e., pick the high publicity guys.

Mario Chalmers was not a super high draft choice, but now he's starting in the L.

To be blunt, Mario Chalmers wasn't a good enough point guard to keep Sherron Collins out of the point, when Collins was a freshman. And Mario was a great player. Self knew Mario was capable of playing the point. He just knew Collins was better and faster at the PG, and life would be better with Mario popping treys.

Is Sherron a freakishly good and long armed defensive savant like Chalmers? No way. But neither are half the PGs in the NBA. Hence, Mario starts out of the box. But again, half the PGs in the NBA lack the combination of extreme speed/extreme strength/good trey that Collins brings out of the box with adequate defense that keeps getting better.

jaybate 11 years ago

KU players are consistently underrated in the mock drafts, and then by the 70 percent of sheep masquerading as NBA GMs, because KU basketball is not a major media market program, and because it is underpublicized as a result. This is just reality and a historical fact. No one makes any money, or builds any profitable big media market contacts, or access relationships by pubbing KU players and sucking up to Bill Self. So someone like Collins is always going to be underrecognized. Shoot we had probably the greatest defensive team in the history of college basketball last year and easily the most depth and best players, and even after we won it all the whores on ESPN were talking about John Calipari blowing it.

Again, read Bird Watching by Larry Bird. There are just an incredible number of basketball illiterates owning and GMing and coaching NBA franchises. At any given time, there are only a few knowledgeable people working in organizations motivated to be the best from top to bottom, and saavy enough to recognize the best talent.

But the non-sheep always take the good ones, even when they are in the media equivalent of nowhere's ville Lawrence, Kansas.

The nonsheep ferret the good ones out. And the nonsheep love to keep the good ones a secret, so they get them and the sheep do not.

Of course Collins will go to the NBA after this season. Bill Self doesn't really have anything left to teach Collins. Collins mistakes are mostly mistakes resulting from defenses rigged to stop him and a coach telling him he needs 20ppg from him.

The guy is an incredible talent and a proven one. There is not one PG playing in D1 this year who could carry a team of freshman and no-prior-play sophomores on his back to the record KU has against the kind of competition KU has faced so far. Not one.

jaybate 11 years ago

Collins has been working with under achievers (The Twins), late arrivals who can't figure out the offense (Little), guys who run from contact (Taylor), and a good center with no upper body strength what soever. The best player on this team by a considerable margin other than Collins is Brady Morningstar. I'm a big Brady fan, but Brady is just a good glue guy. Your glue guy is not supposed to be the second best player on your team. Cole was the second best player on the team up until he got beaten up a few games in a row, and now he's just tall for the time being. He'll probably get it back, but he isn't going to be an exceptional big until he goes through weight training with the experience of this year. Cole this summer will know how much stronger he has to get to play at this level. He'll do it and come back an animal next year. And Cole knows he would be crazy to go to the next level as physically weak as he is, no matter what they pay him. Collins, on the other hand has it all for his position already, whether the mock draft gurus know it or not.

Without Collins, this team would be struggling at.500 at best.

Collins seems exceptionally well-equipped in terms of skills and strength and speed for the pros. His only draw back is he's short, but short PGs with great skills get drafted and find their ways all the time. And when he has a team full of players with high skill levels, as he had last year at KU, he's at the very least terrific coming off the bench.

Does anyone remember that as a freshman he directed the offense of a national champion? This guy is VERY special.

thedudelovesKU 11 years ago

robinson will start as early as halfway through the non-conference schedule next season. and i'll put my money on that...he's a freak

100 11 years ago

Jaybate,

You surprise me sometimes. You really just proved everyone else's point.

You said Collins will sit on the bench for a couple seasons. Everybody knows that! I know that, you know that, the KU fans know that, the NBA GM's know that!

That's EXACTLY why we need to give Sheron and his family the benefit of the doubt --he's much smarter than you give him credit for. Too many college players have left early to sit on someone's bench. It's lame. And it does very little for his game. And it makes him and his family seem desperate.

They're not. I guarantee you, right now, Danny is urging him, for Sherron's own good, to finish his degree and raise his assist-turnover ratio to 5:1 next season (or whatever ridiculous number that it will be next year). The GMs will be drooling over him during next year's championship run.

Jaybate, i always enjoy your stuff: and although many players have made the same mistake you are asking Collins to make, ultimately, you have avoided and danced around the central question entirely: 1. is he desperate and stupid (quick/less NBA money + sitting on bench in empty NBA arena for two years while missing more exposure, a better game, a degree, friends & a ring)? Also a question you didnt touch -- 2. Can he wait a year (does he have the mental toughness to not fold into the mistake that so many college players have fallen into) to be a lottery pick?

To me, with his support staff it's clear that the answers are:

  1. No.
  2. Yes.

Chris Shaw 11 years ago

Jaybate: First, You're back! LOL! Second, I like it better when you have 2 consecutive posts than 3 consecutive posts. I usually like skimming most posts and "Reading" the ones I like, but I always find I "Read" your 2 consecutive posts more than your 3 consecutive posts. Maybe your posts could be used in a comparison study on how America exploits us in advertising. Again, that is a compliment because some "Commercials" or "Advertisements" are better than others. I'm just saying your 2 consecutive posts or less "Sells More". Sex Sells and that is what is all about. LOL

You mentioned Nash and I have to completely disagree with you in every way that Nash was drafted with less talent than Collins has now. Nash was unbelievable in college. It depends what you consider "Talent" and this could be directly related to the Morningstar/Releford debate. We'll stick with Nash/Collins though. Nash is a "Pure Shooter" and has the court sense that very few possess. Collins is a better athlete and quicker, but Nash's quickness back in the day and up until a few years was very deceptive quick. Nash knew how to run a team, get people to their spots, and all at the same time take on the scoring load with a very "Sub-Par" Santa Clara team and he still managed to upset the #2 Arizona Wildcats in the NCAA tourney. Yes, I think Collins does possess some assets that Nash doesn't, but I think Nash's qualities are few and far between. I think if you go through any year of the draft I think you could have picked Nash in the top 20 any one of those years. I don't think the same can be said about Collins. Just my opinion though.

Derek Conway 11 years ago

real quick..I didn't have time to read the article but it looks as if Robinson will make it to the McDonald's All American game. Has anyone heard if Johnson will make the game? I heard he's super athletic and very explosive.

jaybate 11 years ago

100,

First, I enjoy your posts also.

Second, the reason Sherron should go now is that it does not matter how long he stays at KU, he is probably NOT going to be a lottery pick.

Third, staying longer is probably NOT going to increase his chances of starting in the L. Sherron is not getting any taller, his defense is not going to get much better, his shot will improve some but it is already good enough.

Fourth, being a backup point guard in the NBA is a great job with great pay and longevity. Ask Jacque Vaughn. Vaughn is likely going to retire without ever having to work again. The odds are that Sherron, good as I think he is, is not going to improve the way Nash did, simply because 99 percent don't. Sherron has, IMHO, about a 50/50 chance, maybe a little less, of finding a fitting situation and cracking a starting line-up. But he has an 85-95 percent chance of being a long term backup PG.

Conclusion: get thee to the pros ASAP and grab the check, before thee get injured, applies in spades to Sherron right now.

100 11 years ago

Jaybate: good solid points. Most kids would do that.

That, however, is a desperate move for someone who has a legitimate shot to lead KU to a 40-0 season next year, have an assist-TO ratio of 5:1 while scoring 18 per contest. His stats next year will be so much better because of the team dynamics (especially with Withey & Aldrich out there at the same time). Throw in the degree and the emotional happiness of a senior year of leadership (versus a lame, emotional 2 year beatdown by fellow NBA players) and you have a done deal. Not to mention the college degree (I know I stand alone here, but down the road this is THE most important part of this).

So again, I enjoy what you say, and usually you'd be right.

However with Sherron & Cole we have the perfect storm. Two guys who are almost NBA ready who will benefit GREATLY by staying all while picking up another ring.

Sherron is not desperate. He's smart. And without question he talks to Danny about the false pretenses and perceptions of being an NBA player (especially a bench warmer, which Danny can't relate to).

All this put together, with the five who recently went to talk to -- the perfect storm is there.

Sherron is a pioneer in my book. He's knows there's a lot more Gold out there if he takes a look at the other side of the mountain before going home.

jasonsgill 11 years ago

It is really hard to figure what Sherron will do. On the one hand he will likely get drafted and be making big time cash to play ball in the NBA.

On the other hand this is the first year he has been injury free. Showing he can play two full seasons and the improvement that will come with his first full, healthy off season would do well for his stock.

On one hand this year, while once seen to be guard light, is turning out to have some good pro prospects.

On the other hand next year will have, by all indications, a much better freshman crop.

On the one hand he is leading a young team beyond expectations but still not fully into the national spotlight, carrying them on his shoulders.

On the other hand, next year KU should be ranked top 10 all season should he return.

I don't know what Sherron will do but I wish him the best, I don't envy him the decision he will have to make (actually wait, strike that, I totally envy having to make that decision...)

jaybate 11 years ago

kushaw,

Regarding 2 vs. 3 act format: perhaps the LJW will grant us longer content per post and then all of my posts can be ONE ACT posts! Then you'll be sucked into reading them all! (Or skipping them all!) Ha! :-)

Side Note: You've just reminded me that Elizabethan tragedy worked in a FIVE act format! Now there's a prospect that would have posters here hanging themselves left and right. jaybate does Proust in the five part "Rememberance of Things Past."

I can hear LAJay electricuting himself with his own blow dryer in the bath tub.

Oh, My Gawd!!!!

Regarding sex selling: no doubt we could all hold each other's attentions better, if we were to introduce some bodice-ripping tales of middle-aged Jayhawks (or perhaps for 100, he would have us believe centenarian ones) full court pressing nubile cheerleaders. And most certainly frustrated Jayhawk basketball widows back-picking their cable repairmen, while their husbands are surfing between ESPN2 and Duck Hunting with Dick Cheney: The Untold Story would amp up the clicks. But even as desirous of clicks as the World Corporation probably is in these hard times, I suspect that they would frown on embedded eroticism in basketball posts.

And as a segue from sex, think of my posts as Henry Miller without the sex. How's that for a paradox?

This gives me an idea for a post. I'll see if I can channel Henry Miller from the great orgasmic beyond to do a jaybate interview, I will ask him to get surreal about college basketball...

jaybate 11 years ago

jasonsgill,

I too have decision envy.

Perhaps we can get it designated an actual syndrome.

It manifests as persons staring down at first one palm and the other, while thinking about huge amounts of money vs. huge amounts of glory.

Dale Kroening 11 years ago

For all that dont pay attention to the draft let me tell you Sherron is not going anywhere period. Ive only seen him listed in 1 of many mock drafts and thats as a high 2nd rounder. Cole is listed in more than Collins. Dont get me wrong Im a die hard KU fan and a die hard Sherron fan but he needs to improve his decision making and ballhandling as said by multiple NBA gms. He will be back next year and hopefully improve his draft status.

Dale Kroening 11 years ago

Just to add go ahead and type in 2009 NBA mock drafts in your browser and look at them. Sherron is very hard to find.

jaybate 11 years ago

cap10d,

I totally agree with you that if the guys running the mock drafts were actually drafting, Sherron would not get drafted in the first two rounds.

It is the same as saying, if the guys running the mock drafts worked for ESPN, Sherron would not get drafted.

But my point is: the guys running the mock drafts, and the ESPN guys, are not who will be doing the drafting. Only about 7 out of 10 GMs in the NBA are either sheep influenced by mock drafts, honestly saying who they will like to the mock draft orchestrators. The other 3 out of 10 know what they are doing and keep guys under the radar, under the radar.

Sherron needs the bones.

Sherron is injury prone.

40-0 and a ring and another year won't help Sherron. He's still going to be 5'11" next year, too.

His time to go in the second round is now.

100 11 years ago

Jaybate,

Nice. Is it possible you think if Sherron stays we won't get Wall?

You seem pretty defensive about Sherron going to the NBA.

I'll take 40-0, a ring, a degree, self esteem, and a first round draft slot-- after what he did for us last year, you have to want the best for him.

You and I both know the NBA is not the right place for him (yet).

My gut tells me the logic of your arguments are a diversion -- the heart of the matter for you is that you're concerned we're gonna lose Wall...

Joseph Kuebel 11 years ago

Check the previous mock drafts compared to actual drafts and then tell me that a MOCK DrAFT has nothing to do with what will happen or holds no relevance. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard the ever ridiculous Jaybater state.

First off Jaybater, staying another year won't help Collins draft position? Are you joking me, or yourself?

Truth of the matter is Sherron's stock will rise, and the amount he'll make as a lottery player, or even a non-lottery 1st rounder (Besides the fact he will get his degree) outweighs the amount of cash he'll make in the first 2 and a half years in the League if he leaves now as you say only to be a 2nd rounder! Wow!?

To say that KU is not on the national radar after winning a championship and having 5 NBA players drafted last year? I can agree that some players from our conference don't get the credit they deserve See Mario Chalmers- however this is a case of him being under the radar due to tremendous amount of talent we had on last years team. So Beasley didn't get noticed because he was in Manhattan and was their offense, of course he was scoring against players in the middle of nowhere?!?! now you can argue all you want that Mario C should have been a top 15 pick as he's starting and he should have been, but when you have so much talent surrounding you as a point guard it is difficult to judge.

Now Jaybater this quote makes me continue to wonder what is going through your head as you babble at the mouth and spew out piles of nonsense 'Does anyone remember that as a freshman he directed the offense of a national champion? This guy is VERY special." I am asking did you mean offense of a future national champion?

Last, Collins is Not Jacque Vaughn and his game doesn't resemble it whatsoever. Nor does his draft stock, nor does his future in the NBA, nor his college career. Sherron will stay and I'll bet major cash that he does.

goshenjhawk 11 years ago

CaliHawk33 -- Jeepers! I don't think I agree with jaybate on this discussion either but at least he debates like a gentleman and without a disdain for the other's argument. These are apparently not skills you possess. Chill man -- let go the acid....

dcmander 11 years ago

Those of you that can't see Cole leaving...you do know he is projected top 5 right? Do you know the money you are guaranteed when you are a top 5 pick?

It's crazy what potential is worth in the NBA.

100 11 years ago

He's not desperate either. He can wait. Again, it's the perfect storm with next years team coupled with Danny to talk to every day. There's no reason for Cole to leave. He'll be a first rounder whenever he decides to go.

This is another case of greed getting in the way of the best decision. He will make millions more if he stays (he would absolutely be a lottery pick, probably top 3, if he stays with KU's national championship team next year).

Again, Cole is smart enough to not go for the fools Gold. Thankfully he has Danny to talk to on this (recall Danny would have been the #1 pick in the draft three years in a row after his Freshman year).

Now, his playing days are over -- he has a degree, a championship, Self esteem and... A life.

Joseph Kuebel 11 years ago

Jaybate- I do not hate your posts, but often times there are too many holes in your argument so often this is exposed.

Furthermore, I apologize if there is any offense taken. I actually do enjoy your posts and they have grown on me.

Jaybate and Goshenjhawk, Please understand I'm working on my shock jockey material.

Joseph Kuebel 11 years ago

  1. I completely agree... Cole as a projected top 5 pick is very questionable as so many times players are given ratty information and fall into round 2 unexpected. As Cole is one of a few true Centers possible he would still have to have one hell of a tournament in order to get enough praise to be a certain lottery pick.

For what it is worth...I have heard from numerous sources on campus that, "Cole has said several times that he is staying all 4"...Whether this is true or not we will see. I really hope he stays to win one more.

goshenjhawk 11 years ago

CaliHawk33, Acknowledged.... Peace

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