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2009 KU-OSU Feb. 7

Reader poll

Which of next week's games will be tougher for KU?

  • KU at Missouri 86% 681 votes
  • KU at Kansas State 13% 102 votes

783 total votes.

Members of Missouri’s rowdy student-cheering section, The Antlers, have been known to dial the cell phone numbers of Kansas University’s players and coach Bill Self in the days leading up to the KU-MU game in Columbia, Mo.

They made their first contact with Self early Saturday morning. The two teams meet at 8 p.m. Monday at Mizzou Arena.

“Coach said he got a call at 2:30 in the morning,” KU freshman Tyshawn Taylor said, noting he had not received any calls ... yet.

“I’m hoping and praying nobody calls my cell phone. Coach said to be ready,” Taylor added.

Self confirmed the calls.

“They started last night. They were great, very friendly,” he joked.

How the heck do the Antlers get the KU players’ numbers?

“Probably from some girls we gave them to, not knowing who they were,” Taylor theorized. “If it gets too annoying, I’ll just turn my phone off.”

Self says …

Self, on the KU-MU rivalry: “They don’t care for us much, and the feeling is very mutual.”

Good D

KU’s Sherron Collins, who scored 12 points, held OSU’s Byron Eaton to an eight-point outing off 2-of-6 shooting Saturday.

“He’s a good guard. You can’t take anything away from him. Today wasn’t one of his good days,” Collins said of Eaton, who had 26 points versus KU last season in an OSU victory in Stillwater.

“I think I did a good job on him in the first half (zero points, 0-for-3 shooting). In the second half, he got going a little bit. Late in the game, we lost concentration and let him do things. Overall, we did a good job on him as a team,” Collins said.

Collins tried to not take it as a personal battle.

“It takes a lot from my teammates when I get in a one-on-one competition with someone else and try to outplay them. I’ve been getting my teammates involved and letting them help me. I think that’s the best thing I can do,” Collins said.

Appleton plays

KU reserve guard Tyrone Appleton had an assist and two turnovers in a three-minute stint the first half. He entered after Taylor picked up his second foul. Reserve forward Travis Releford had five points in seven minutes.

“Tyrone had two turnovers in three minutes. I thought he did OK,” Self said. “I thought Travis made the most out of his minutes.”

All-out effort

KU’s Little and Tyrel Reed had the best hustle plays of the game. Reed stole the ball at midcourt, then stumbled on his way to the hoop, where he scored, was fouled and hit a free throw to complete a three-point play in the second half. Shortly after, Little dove on the floor chasing a rebound and passed to Cole Aldrich for a slam.

“We usually do play hard,” Self said. “We don’t always play smart, but we play hard.”

Pete Goering dies at 60

Former Topeka Capital-Journal sports editor and executive editor Pete Goering, who covered Kansas University sports for many years, died Saturday after a two-year bout with cancer. He was 60. Visitation and funeral service times had not been announced as of Saturday night.

Stats, facts

KU, which has won eight games in a row, stretched its homecourt win streak to 37 games. KU is 91-6 at home under sixth-year coach Self. ... KU’s 8-0 record in the conference is its best mark since 2004-05, when the Jayhawks went 9-0. ... KU hit 11 of 15 free throws. Over the past three games, KU is 46-for-55 (83.6 percent). ... Aldrich’s 16 defensive rebounds were most by a KU player since Drew Gooden had 20 against Texas Tech in the Big 12 tournament on March 9, 2002. ... Brady Morningstar matched a career high with six assists. ... Little is now shooting 69 percent during the conference season (27-for-39) after a 6-for-8 effort versus OSU ... Eaton’s 10 assists were the most by a Kansas opponent since D.J. Augustin had 13 on March 3, 2007.

— Gary Bedore

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Comments

AsadZ (anonymous) says...

Appleton needs to take care of ball. So far in every game he has played he is unable to take care of basketball.I also feel that Quintrell T will most likely transfer as he is not getting any minutes.

February 8, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

dagger108 (anonymous) says...

It continually amazes me that alleged fans of KU can make uniformed, negative comments about players and the team in public. Some player from KU will probably transfer at some point in the future. Maybe this year. Maybe next year. Maybe not.At this point, no one on this team has made any public comment alluding to any interest in transfering. In fact, there have been at least several coments from players about wanting to play, but being more intent on learning from our great coaching staff and helping the team win in whatever way they can. If anyone has some secret inside information, they need to be mature enough to respect the player's privacy and keep quiet.Personally, I want to applaud every non-starter for working to their limit everyday for their own improvement and that of the team. I am glad that we are not so far removed from such great examples as RR or DJ working past limited PT on their way to becoming National Champions. I'm glad that we still have Sherron here as a living example of not starting, but being a significant influence in whatever role he was asked. I'm glad that the same spirit lives on in Mario. I'm glad that Tyrel continues as an example of a player working as a non-starter to make himself and the team better and better in whatever manner asked. I'm glad for the example of Conner, who is giving up a scholie at another school for the privilege of playing at KU. And the list goes on.I'm glad we don't have a bunch of prima donnas on the team. Now if we could just find a way to lose the ones we have as fans.Rock Chalk

February 8, 2009 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

CRIMSONnBLUE (anonymous) says...

Great comment dagger. I completely agree.

February 8, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jbrownjib (anonymous) says...

Dagger, I agree with you. I think that Self tells the kids up front that they will have to earn minutes to play. In some of the recruiting comments from Wall, He said that Self told him that he'd have to earn PT whereas, Calipari told him that he'd get PT no matter what.

February 8, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaybate (anonymous) says...

Yeah, dagger108, speccing on a player transferring does no one any good. I don't recall doing it, but if I did I shouldn't have either.Speccing on transfer sews an unpleasant climate for the player who doesn't want to transfer and doesn't make it any easier for the player who wants to transfer.We ought to let this subject alone, unless the players or coaches make it public, but then there would be no need to spec on it either.

February 8, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

cklarock (anonymous) says...

@Dagger: I wholeheartedly second that post. Well put.

February 8, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Muska (anonymous) says...

POTD, and maybe week. Nice work, Dagger. As fans, we all obviously know that we can't control any sort of situation regarding PT, but it still kills me when people b*tch about the guys who are still very raw (yet very talented) freshmen that need a year or two to develop before contributing on a major level. They're freshman. They're 18, 19 years old. They'll get better, just like every other freshman in the NCAA. Especially with the coaching of our ridiculously amazing staff. I have a strong feeling that they know this, and won't seriously consider transferring. Releford has already publically said that he's in it for the long haul, to WIN...and I'm sure that there are a few other 'Hawks that, although may not be 100% happy with their minutes, are still willing to work their way into our system and legacy, whether that takes a few minutes, a few weeks, a few months, or a few years of hard work at practice. Knowing Bill, I'd assume it takes years. He's not the easiest guy to impress, but then again, that's what we pay him for and why we all (well, most of us at least...the sane ones) love him as the head coach of our beloved Jayhawks.

February 8, 2009 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jazzttt (anonymous) says...

Nice post, Dagger....to some of those impatient fans, remember the first year of Sasha, Mario, Darnell, and Russell, they weren't earthshaking, but they stuck around, got their ears chewed by Bill, rode the pine, overcame personal problems, but they listened, worked hard, and got better. Kleinmann may not get many minutes, but I'm certain he's worth his weight as a big in practice. I'm especially pleased at the way Brady has grown up after a redshirt year, obviously he was learning something last year getting hammered without ANY minutes. I think this year's team will go much deeper in the dance than we ever could have hoped at the outset, go guys, and keep improving...rock chalk and beat the Tiggers [and don't let the Antlers upset you!]

February 8, 2009 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaybate (anonymous) says...

“They don’t care for us much, and the feeling is very mutual.”--Bill Self on the KU-MU rivalryA remarkable quote by Self. As uncharged as possible, but still not the kind of thing coaches typically admit to, and not the kind of thing he said early in his KU tenure about MU.He doesn't like these sons of !@#$%^es now any better than we do. Bill Self grew up an Okie. There is some legacy of cross-border tension and rivalry between Okies and Kansans. Heck, we charged them tolls for driving their cattle across our border, just as surely as we charged the Texans. My dad recalled riots breaking out after a few KU-OU football games way, way back when turf was grass and spikes were long and Bud Wilkinson wore bow ties, or was it back in the Dirty Thirties? Dad, can you hear me up there? My Dad always said it was a toss up as to who he would less rather listen to at Memorial Stadium--Boomer Sooner fans, or Cornhusker fans. He was always greatful they were both lousy in basketball in those days, because it meant few of them came to Allen Field House.But Okies have no real legacy stake in the Kansas-Missouri feud that stretches way beyond basketball and all the way back to the immediate pre-Civil War period. So: why is recent immigrant Bill Self starting to take this one about as personally as we do.It is a testament to the power of legacy, collective attitudes and recent behavior that Coach Self can apparently already be fully drawn into this moral equivalent to the Hatfields and the McCoys, as well. I say moral, because there is a moral core to this feud. The crux of it is not just about the rightness, or wrongness, of extracting tolls on cattle drives without proper legal authority to do so; that was only money, and at that only a few of our more lawless brothers.

February 8, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaybate (anonymous) says...

The foundation of the rivalry remains a profound, prior disagreement: should the Union persist as a republic of free citizens, or should it break apart over some states wanting slavery, a southern transcontinental railroad, and an uncomfortably close economic relationship with England, wherein the cotton and tobacco went to Englands mills and and markets rather than to mills and markets in the north? Should we be a single nation and a single government of laws, or a house divided with a southern nation and government in pursuit self interest at the expense of moral and political principles at the core of the constitution?The two states attracted different kinds of persons during this period. Neither were angels, but one group was decidedly more interested in protecting the rules of the game, again for self interest, and foresaw a future accessed ad astra per aspera where in the USA prevailed and slavery was abolished and republican progressivism (albeit sometimes not too progressive) was an inherent part of the social contract of the society with its government and institutions.The other attracted persons who were basically predisposed to traditions holy and unholy, they were predisposed to tolerating ambiguities in the constitution and in their society. They were frankly willing to compromise anything up to and including the US Constitution and government in pursuit of their individual and collective interests.Both peoples were hard workers. Both peoples liked commerce and a good fight. Both peoples had and have their virtues and vices.But one people said the Union had to stand and the US Constitution had to survive.The other did not.One people has the choice to preserve the Union and the US Constitution at any cost in their legacy.The other people has the refusal to make that choice in its legacy.One people prevailed.The other people were subjugated.The United State of America has in most ways paved over the Civil War that divided the country and these two states. It has rather systematically partaken in many wars popular and unpopular in pursuit of a dubious global empire that can enrich its oligarchy and trickle down to peoples of both states and so unify them with the material improvement that comes from conquering other lands, maintaining standing armies in them, and rewriting their institutions of government and military to allow our oligarchy to extract from these conquered lands what we think we can make money on.

February 8, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaybate (anonymous) says...

But binding these two peoples together in this way even now does not erase the choice once made by these two peoples, nor does it end the difference in the kinds of persons that have tended to be attracted to live in these two states.Federal agencies come in from outside and impose regulations and sew pork barrel water and ag projects. State agencies and universities hire persons from near and far. Corporations bring new persons from near and far. But the corporations and their factories come and go. And the Federal government continually diminishes in its local involvement, bringing fewer pork barrel projects, closing military bases, cutting welfare, cutting infrastructure expansion and maintenance. In the long run, only the land and the people and what the people believe in remains. And the moral and cultural distinctions and beliefs of both peoples have remained decidedly in tact and different. And that legacy choice made a century and a half ago remains an active fault line with continuing small temblors. These are different peoples sharing a border. They call themselves Americans, but as the Federal government recedes, and the corporations close their doors and ship their jobs overseas, they are increasingly Kansans and Missourians again. I am not saying this is good, just that it is happening inexorably, unless President Obama changes course. Mostly the differences remain below the surfaces. But a few times a year they surface obviously in the ritual of games. Bill Self has lived in Lawrence, Kansas, only a few years. He has participated in a relatively small number of these games so far. But already he understands the differences. And we are most fortunate that yet another immigrant has chosen our side. And that immigrant apparently understands that the differences are as real as the living myth of Kansas basketball.Bill Self's first few years at KU he talked about the rivalry with the innocence of an outsider who simply thought rivalries were good thing for promoting interest in and enthusiasm about his team.Now, his words indicate a man who understands that this is not just a rivalry in the simple sense of the word.He seems to genuinely not like the sons of !@#$%^es.Welcome, Bill, welcome.

February 8, 2009 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

PAHAWK1 (anonymous) says...

dagger108, I completely agree with you. In fact, a few days ago I posted similar sentiments. This is not the first time AsadZ has posted negatively about KU players.

February 8, 2009 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KoolKeithFreeze (anonymous) says...

Amen.

February 8, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KoolKeithFreeze (anonymous) says...

To Jaybate's post, that is...

February 8, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

OakvilleJHawk (anonymous) says...

AAAHHH, that's the Jaybate we know and love!!dagger108..I just erased a "Jaybate size" post defending the right of posters to be critical of their team, but the more I read it the more a realized that being critical of the team based on facts vs being critical on speculation was a galactic difference.Sometimes, the best posts are the one that don't get past "Preview Comment"As far as the game tomorrow...number nine in a row, Baby..number nine!!!!

February 8, 2009 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaybate (anonymous) says...

jazzttt,Imagine Kleinmann and Withey pushing and shoving you all week long. Games would be like spring break...unless its a thug ball team. Kleinmann and Withey...anyone on your own team...really can't duplicate actual attempts to injure guys. That experience can only be had in thug ball games. et al,Did anyone notice the Nebraska thug balled their way to another victory? The Cobsucker-KU game is going to be a real street fight. Bring your chains and tire irons, boys.

February 8, 2009 at 12:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Strikewso (anonymous) says...

NU is going to be in the dance.

February 8, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Lebowski (anonymous) says...

I'll help you out Asadz...1) don't state something totally obvious, as if it's any big mistery why Appleton hasn't played much... when the articles states he committed 2 TO's in 3 mins... boy, we REALLY needed that clarified for us. Anyone can look at the stats and see he's committed 6 fouls and 7 turnovers in only 30 minutes. Yes, that's very bad.2) it's not uncommon to feel like our situation will cause someone to leave, but why Quintrell? I can accept that you "feel" that way, and for some other reason, he might... but it has nothing to do with playing time and nothing to do with logic.Consider he's on pace to play in more games and more minutes than Jackson or Giles did as freshmen.... one who went to the NBA and the other who thought he would... neither of which left because they weren't playing enough.Their first year, they both played less minutes than fellow freshman Sasha and walk-on Christian Moody...but they didn't go anywhere.The next year, Self brought in 3 stud freshmen who would all play more minutes than they would as sophomores. They still didn't go anywhere.The next year, CJ got kicked out... Self brought in a two more stud freshmen who both, AGAIN, played more minutes than Darnell.In the meantime, his grandma and cousin die from unnatural causes, his mom is severly injured, and there are still no obvious signs of an opportunity to play looming.Two years later, Darnell has a national championship ring and a fat paycheck from the NBA. What evidence is there that Quintrell would think Kansas is not the place for him? In a way, saying you feel QT transferring is "most likely" is saying you think the kid is stupid. He's not. If he does a little investigating, or gets some good advice... he'll realize his opportunities are right in line with one of last power forwards Self helped get to the NBA.Him going somewhere is a possibility, it is not "most likely".

February 8, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

up4par2000 (anonymous) says...

transfering would be a huge mistake. just ask micah downs of the gonzaga bulldogs. which lost to memphis big last night in spokane, washington. poor micah could of had a championship, had he decided not to transfer. memphis still cannot hit free throws. oh, but they do practice full and half-court shots more often.

February 8, 2009 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jazzttt (anonymous) says...

Jaybate......Nice long post, but I'm sorry, a lot of it had nothing to do with Basketball, only stirring up the Jayhawker-Border Ruffian hostilities again. I thought the Civil War ended 144 years ago, give it a rest, I'm ready for some healing. Admittedly, some MU fans are hostile in their sports posts, I chalk it up to simple jealousy since THEY don't have as many banners in the rafters. I like to think KU fans have more class. We live in a border area, Kansas City is loaded with both MU and KU alums. I graduated from KU, but I hope I'm not being a traitor when I cheer for the local Tiggers and PowerCats anytime they're NOT playing KU, no hatred involved. We just have to beat them on the field/court, then out-recruit them to get the best talent. Bill and Mark seem to be doing pretty well on that account. Nothing like a nice, spirited rivalry with a respected opponent, bet whatever drinks or dough you can afford if you wish, but dust yourself off if you get surprised, and vow to do better next time. One thing I like about the KU-MU football rivalry is that it's essentially even. I guess everyone else in the Big-12 looks at KU basketball like we used to view Nebraska in football, we're so many games above .500 in most of the rivalries it ain't funny. Remember when the Big Red hordes from up north almost outnumbered KU fans in Lawrence? No more. Nice to be a fan of one of the classiest programs in the country, win or lose. KU '67

February 8, 2009 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

AsadZ (anonymous) says...

This is a public forum to discuss Jayhwak basketball positive or negative. It may sound negative but I have my right to post a comment. Regarding transfering, this was a story posted right here on an interview by Q Thomas. I did not make it up.

February 9, 2009 at 7:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Rockn_Chalkn_KU (anonymous) says...

Thank you Jaybate! Loved your post about the rivalry. My in-laws just don't get how heated it is, and how long it has existed (they are not from Kansas or Missouri). I still laugh when people say, "Isn't K-State your big rival?" I answer that K-State thinks we are their rival, but the feeling is not reciprocal. Sure, they are an in-state rival and we always want to beat them. But the real rival is Mizzou. I know we've got a tough game tonight at Paige Sports Arena, and I hope our team is up to the task.Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU!!!

February 9, 2009 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Lebowski (anonymous) says...

The KU/Mizzou basketball rivalry would get more notoriety than any other rivalry... duke/unc bball or mich/osu football included if:A) We weren't stuck in the midwest where noone in the national media cares... andB) Mizzouri's program hasn't historically sucked so freakin' bad.Hard to be considered a serious rival when one school has totally owned the other one.

February 9, 2009 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal )