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Thursday, February 5, 2009

Feast or famine?

Mangino’s recruiting class arguably best yet — on paper

Kansas University recruit and former Plano East fullback Toben Opurum makes a move against a defender in this contributed file photo in Plano, Texas. Opurum leads a promising 2009 recruiting class for KU, but as history shows, the players’ impact on the field next season will be relatively unknown.

Kansas University recruit and former Plano East fullback Toben Opurum makes a move against a defender in this contributed file photo in Plano, Texas. Opurum leads a promising 2009 recruiting class for KU, but as history shows, the players’ impact on the field next season will be relatively unknown.

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KU football snags 24 letters of intent Wednesday morning

The KU football team didn't have any major surprises on signing day this year.

On Wednesday afternoon, a little after 3, Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino released his 2009 recruiting class, a 24-member group that, in the eyes of many, is a very promising class of players.

It is largely believed, in fact, to be the best recruiting class in Mangino’s tenure at Kansas. It features four players designated as four-star prospects by Rivals.com, and has been anointed by the same Web site as the nation’s 31st-best group of players.

But while Mangino acknowledged Wednesday that he feels good about the promise of his incoming class, he also insisted — with good reason — that he won’t know what he’s got until the players have all arrived on campus in June.

“We think we’ve got some talented kids,” Mangino said. “But you never know what they’re going to do until they get onto a Big 12 field.”

Indeed. As national college recruiting has gained steam, and as various Web sites and publications have begun producing thorough scouting reports of promising high school athletes, fans have rushed to project future success based on the material available. Many times, that’s the evaluations of various online recruiting publications.

Based on the most popular player evaluation system, a prospect is given a designation of “stars” — a five-star recruit represents one with exceptional promise, and theoretically, a one-star recruit would be the least promising.

But if history has taught Kansas coaches anything, it’s that rankings — at least in some cases —aren’t necessarily the most accurate gauge of future success.

Between 2005 and 2007, for instance, Mangino signed four four-star prospects, generally the highest-rated a recruit a school like Kansas will sign. Those players were: Rodney Allen, Brandon Duncan, Anthony Webb and Ryan Murphy.

None is currently a starter, and just one — Murphy — is still with the team.

The most recent example, meanwhile, is four-star transfer Jocques Crawford, a running back who was named the national junior college offensive player of the year in 2007. Largely expected to replace departed senior running back Brandon McAnderson, Crawford struggled in his jump to the Division-I level, wound up playing limited snaps behind junior Jake Sharp and finished his junior season with just 62 carries for 232 yards.

On the other hand, players who have arrived in Lawrence with little fanfare have managed to make quick names for themselves. What, for instance, do Chris Harris, Jake Laptad, Jeff Spikes and Johnathan Wilson have in common? Each was rated as a two-star recruit out of high school, and each played a significant role in Kansas’ 8-5, Insight Bowl-championship season in 2008.

What’s more, of the five players Kansas has put into the NFL under Mangino — including collegiate all-Americans Aqib Talib and Anthony Colllins — each was a two-star recruit coming out of high school.

“I think a lot of people get caught up in the various rankings that are out there,” said former KU center David Ochoa, a three-star prospect out of high school who developed into an all-conference center for the Jayhawks. “I know for a fact that (Mangino) doesn’t subscribe to any of the rankings. He’s been around long enough to know what he’s doing. He’s a master of the intangibles. ... He has a formula that he follows, and he doesn’t let outside influences put a clog in that formula, so to speak.”

This is not to say, of course, that player rankings aren’t valuable in the grand scheme of things. The teams with the highest numbers of five-star players over the past five years reads like a Who’s Who list of collegiate programs: Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama. Further, it’s safe to say there are more four- and five-star players currently in the NFL than there are three and two star players.

But for reasons unknown, this hasn’t necessarily been the case in Lawrence. Some brush off the Jayhawks’ luck (or lack of it, depending on the situation) as coincidence. Others point to the fact that Kansas’ extensive recruiting system lends itself toward picking up players who have flown largely under the radar.

“At Kansas, it’s a pretty thorough system,” said Jon Kirby, who covers Kansas recruiting for Rivals.com. “Those players are evaluated by a lot of different sets of eyes before they get to Mangino’s desk. I think it’s a team effort. I think he’s got a great, great group of coaches, and they know how to go out and find (players), as well.”

But even Mangino, who seems to have developed a knack for turning overlooked preps into collegiate standouts, doesn’t deny the number of miscalculations he’s made throughout his coaching career.

“Over the years, I’ve had some kids that I thought, ‘Oh, wow; this guy will play in the NFL,’ and he couldn’t get a sniff,” said Mangino. “And there’s others that I said, ‘His last game will be in our uniform,’ and he played in the NFL.”

Players, meanwhile, have taken differing viewpoints on the matter. Some have voiced four- and five-star ratings as something to strive for in the final stages of their high school careers. Others, like recently-signed four-star recruit Toben Opurum out of Texas’ Plano East High, take a different approach.

“I think a lot of it has to do with exposure,” said Opurum, who selected Kansas over Florida, Notre Dame and Nebraska. “I think as long as you prove yourself, it shouldn’t really matter how many stars you have.”

This isn’t to say, however, that highly-rated prospects are in any hurry to give up their favorable ranking.

After thoughtfully opining on the over-emphasis on prep rankings, Opurum stopped himself and said, a bit sheepishly, “That being said, being a four-star guy is definitely something I’m proud of.”

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Comments

dagger108 (anonymous) says...

I read Kevin Young, Jordan Webb and Deshaun Sands had graduated early and are on campus now? Is this true? Are there any other new players? What is the chance that coach Mangino will develop a walk-on program? It seems like a nice incentive and fan favorite for KU BB as well as NU FB.

February 5, 2009 at 1:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

hometownhawk (anonymous) says...

All of those are true, plus Calvin Rubles is also on campus.There are several (at least 10) walk-ons on the team every year, and KU has had increasingly talented walk-ons in recent years (including Rashawn Copeland in 09), so I guess the answer to your question is that you just haven't noticed.Is it just me or does it look at first glance like Opurum's right arm has no hand?

February 5, 2009 at 1:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Eurekahwk (anonymous) says...

Kansas has always had a walk-on program, at least for the last 20 or so years that I know of. I guess some people haven't paid enough attention to the program. Oh that's right, people haven't been paying attention to the Jayhawk gridiron.

February 5, 2009 at 2:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

ohioburg (anonymous) says...

"..four-star prospects, generally the highest-rated a recruit a school like Kansas will sign. "Does Duggie really wonder why he catches flack?

February 5, 2009 at 6:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

zissou (anonymous) says...

“And there’s others that I said, ‘His last game will be in our uniform,’ and he played in the NFL.”I wonder who Mangino means, specifically.

February 5, 2009 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

TaCityHawkFan (anonymous) says...

Hometown.... I had to look twice at Opurum's hand after you called that out.While I completely agree with the spirit of this article and love the fact that Mangino and staff do not put much stock in the recruiting prospect ranking services such as Rivals (anyone ever notice that ESPN's rankings are weaker than most?). However, for those of us who enjoy following the recruiting and who the coaches are targeting, who has committed verbally and ultimately signed... what their stats are... etc, the recruiting services are our only venue. That is about all they are good for is the "non-coach consumer" of information.PS: Todd Reesing and Dez Briscoe were both three star recruits and now own or will own the majority of their respective position records. In a related note, Todd Reesing also graduated at semester and showed up on campus in time for spring ball.

February 5, 2009 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jhawkfan22 (anonymous) says...

“I think a lot of it has to do with exposure,” said Opurum, who selected Kansas over Florida, Notre Dame and Nebraska.--------------That sentence says a ton about the state of Kansas Football. More than the star ratings of these kids, it's who we're beating out to sign these kids. Guys that could go to a more traditional football school are suddenly taking interest in Mt. Oread. We've come a loooong way baby! I'm very excited about the future of KU Football!RCJH!

February 5, 2009 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

homewood (anonymous) says...

I'm pumped about this recruiting class. Mangino has turned this program a complete 180 from the TA years. What impresses me most about Mangino and company is his ability to find smart, committed, classy athletes that somehow find a way to gel. Team chemistry is a big deal, and KU has it. That's probably one of the big differences between winning programs and the runner-ups. Look at Texas and Florida. Two teams that are roughly equal year in and year out in terms or recruiting and coaching. If you ask me, Florida is the team that has players who feed off of each others energy, who rally together, and that is why overall Florida has had greater success in recent years. Not that KU is on the same level as Florida, or even Texas, but Mangino's teams are always full of players who are in it for the right reasons.

February 5, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

TxJyHwk (anonymous) says...

hometownhawk - I'm glad I'm not the only one that had to take a second look at the picture to see his right hand!

February 5, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

hellx (anonymous) says...

"Further, it’s safe to say there are more four- and five-star players currently in the NFL than there are three and two star players."Actually, four and five stars recruits represent only about 13% of any recruiting class (with five starts being less than 2%). As a result I think there are probably more two and three stars in the NFL. As Dr. Saturday pointed out recently, more than half of the members of last year's All-American teams were two and three stars. Four and Five star players are more likely to be an All-American, but they don't make up the majority of them.

February 5, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

pmohr13 (anonymous) says...

Those gloves he is wearing are certainly tricky.

February 5, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

albraun (anonymous) says...

"four-star prospects, generally the highest-rated a recruit a school like Kansas will sign"At least Dugie didn't point out that Mizzery signed a 5-star. But he still finds ways to (perhaps unconsciously) show his bias.

February 5, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Strikewso (anonymous) says...

Great article, it's good to put into perspective what the recruiting class means. 31st nationally certainly doesn't equate to a 31st ranking at the end of the season (although that's about where we ended up last year). It does appear that with some hard work and a little bit of luck this class will keep our bowl visits going.

February 5, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KUballer (anonymous) says...

I read somewhere that he actually doesn't have a right hand, and also doesn't have feeling in his entire right arm. He has said before that this makes his stiff arms a lot more effective because he can blast his arm into someone and not feel a thing. It does make hand-offs a little tricky, but i say a great stiff-arm beats a couple fumbles and game any day. He was obviously playing in some sort of handicapped bowl game in this picture, because the defensive player and the ref only have a right arm.

February 5, 2009 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BrockIII (anonymous) says...

The reality is, though, that KU is just not going to pull in any 5 star players any time soon. And that is not necessarily a terrible thing. There are only 50 "5 star players" every year, and they commit to the usual suspects. Only occasionally do these guys commit to a Texas A&M or a Virginia or some "second tier" school. And out of these 50 kids, a huge majority either don't qualify, leave due to discipinary reasons, or just don't pan out on the field. Some teams that have completely out-recruited KU on paper the last few years: Notre Dame, Nebraska, Miami, Florida State, North Carolina. These are average teams. With hundreds of kids playing football out there, the star system just cannot always be that accurate and can be a complete joke. It's a popularity contest, a stats game, or a matter of proximity ("Texas is a stronger football state than Kansas") that play in the difference between some 3, 4, or 5 star players. The fact of the matter is Mangino is getting quality kids now that fit his system and the recruiting has improved drastically since Terry Allen. The one area that he really is in need of upgrading is speed, but we should all bow down to Mangino and where he has taken this program.

February 5, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

Idk if Mangino likes and recruits the hell out of Justin McCay who knows...he's five-star material...and he's 40 minutes away

February 5, 2009 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KUballer (anonymous) says...

I was reading on ESPN.com and saw their conference recruiting grades.For the Big 12 they gave KU the 10th highest grade. 3rd to last. What a joke. Am I just wrong or did we really have that bad of a class?http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3885147

February 5, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mdfraz (anonymous) says...

God no baller. Scout, who does ESPN I believe, sucks. You have to take any recruiting site with a grain of salt, but they are terrible. jco, there's the QB out of the Wichita area as well who's supposed to be awfully good. Picking up one or both of them would be awesome.

February 5, 2009 at 11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

I like how in that ESPN link they don't mention Woods, McDougald, or Opurum...Always hated ESPN and Scout....Yeah Blake Bell...I've heard comparisons to Carson Palmer hopefully we can get him, McCay (put him at WR if he does grow to be 6-6...compared to Burress) and then get Keeston Terry out of KCMO and we will be set for the future... If only my dream could come true...

February 5, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

OakvilleJHawk (anonymous) says...

Interesting...I see a lot of poster ID's that never show up on the basketball page and I only recognize dagger108 from the basketball page on this football page. AHHH, the age of specialization.It is pleasantly remarkable to be talking about Hawk football before we have even played Missouri once in basketball. Does anyone have a clue what was the next highest rating number for a recruiting class? Was it even in double figures???

February 5, 2009 at 11:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

OakvilleJHawk I live for the football recruiting process

February 5, 2009 at 11:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

If you're referring to KU's next best recruiting class under Mangino then:Last year---40th according to rivals2007------50th2006-----38th2005------48th2004-----51st2003------39th

February 5, 2009 at 11:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

http://kansas.rivals.com/viewprospect... i likey our chances...I'm guessing he'll be a 4 star...Daddy is Doug Terry former KU DB....

February 5, 2009 at 11:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kman_blue (anonymous) says...

KUballer, ESPN and scout, who is behind the ESPN rankings as well, are horrible. In many cases they're lazy and don't evaluate the players, and only give their ratings based on which teams are after them or have already signed them, or in the majority of cases they skew a players rating depending on which teams are after them or which team they signed with. If one of the top 10 elite traditional football powers is after them, then their rankings magically go up, if not, their rankings magically go down. It's very obviously biased and systematic, so I wouldn't put any stock in their rankings. Rivals on the other hand is largely seen as more thorough and unbiased in comparison so people tend to look at their rankings with more authority. Here's how the Big 12 stacks up according to their rankings. Team/ #plys/ Aver. plyr rank#5 Texas (20) 3.85#13 OU (23) 3.43#22 aTm (28) 3.14#28 NU (20) 3.25#31 KU (24) 3.08#33 TTech (26) 3.00#36 osu (23) 3.00#41 mu (25) 2.80#48 cu (19) 2.84#55 Baylor (28) 2.71#72 isu (23) 2.52#95 ksu (23) 2.48i'd say that's a more accurate assessment of where our recruiting class ranks.

February 6, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jco8394 (anonymous) says...

Yeah I always look at Rivals for my recruiting...When I think of scout.com I think "ahh bob saget!!! they suck!!!"

February 6, 2009 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )