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Originally published December 29, 2009 at 06:23p.m., updated December 29, 2009 at 10:54p.m.

FINAL: Aldrich’s defensive effort helps KU to 81-51 victory over Belmont

Kansas center Cole Aldrich covers Belmont guard Jordan Campbell during the first half, Tuesday, Dec. 29, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas center Cole Aldrich covers Belmont guard Jordan Campbell during the first half, Tuesday, Dec. 29, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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2009 KU-Belmont

Reader poll

Which of these four freshmen do you think will increase their minutes most as the season progresses?

  • Thomas Robinson 41% 1229 votes
  • C.J. Henry 19% 586 votes
  • Jeff Withey 11% 350 votes
  • Elijah Johnson 26% 766 votes

2931 total votes.

Reader poll

Who do you believe is KU's player of the decade?

  • Sherron Collins 12% 493 votes
  • Kirk Hinrich 19% 786 votes
  • Brandon Rush 4% 187 votes
  • Nick Collison 29% 1176 votes
  • Wayne Simien 8% 336 votes
  • Drew Gooden 2% 83 votes
  • Mario Chalmers 21% 848 votes
  • Cole Aldrich 1% 58 votes
  • Other 0% 38 votes

4005 total votes.

KU handles Belmont, 81-51

Kansas defeated Belmont, 81-51, Tuesday, Dec. 29, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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KU takes on Belmont Tuesday, Dec. 29, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.

KU scoring — Marcus Morris 14, Aldrich 11, Collins 9, X. Henry 8, C.J. Henry 8, Taylor 7, Johnson 7, Robinson 5, Reed 5, Morningstar 3, Withey 2, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 32-for-57 from the floor (56.1 percent), 6-for-17 from three (35.3 percent) and 11-for-21 from the free-throw line (52.4 percent).

Belmont was 20-for-65 from the floor (30.8 percent), 8-for-27 from three (29.6 percent) and 3-for-8 from the free-throw line (37.5 percent).

Belmont had 23 turnovers to KU’s 15. KU out-rebounded Belmont, 40-39.

FINAL: KU defeats Belmont, 81-51

Aldrich gets a left-handed layup to go down to give him a double-double with 11 points and 14 rebounds. Self immediately summons Withey from the bench after Aldrich hits the milestone.

Withey gets his first points as a Jayhawks, slamming home a dunk with 46 seconds left on a feed from Johnson.

C.J. Henry adds a steal and layup before cashing another three.

KU finishes off an 81-51 victory.

KU 72/Belmont 44 — 3:19 left in game

Johnson continues to impress in his limited minutes, as he puts in another layup high off the glass.

C.J. Henry pulls up for an open three. He’s had a mixed bag of a night with a rebound and two steals but also a turnover.

KU gets one more transition basket with its starters, as Xavier lofts a lob for Johnson. The freshman elevates way above the rim to slam it home.

KU 62/Belmont 39 — 6:55 left in game

Reed with a nice play in transition, moving quickly back to the ball to gather a pass from Marcus Morris that was deflected. Reed wasted no time in transition, taking it straight at the defender and to the basket for a tough layup off the glass.

Withey isn’t having the best go of it in there right now. He commits two fouls — including one on an and-one — and also allows an offensive rebound that turns into two points for Belmont. He also bricks the front end of a one-and-one.

Aldrich with another steal, and he throws a long outlet pass that eventually opens up Elijah Johnson for a layup.

Johnson with another nice read inside, throwing a lob to a cutting Xavier Henry for an alley-oop slam.

KU 52/Belmont 30 — 11:57 left in game

Nice decision by Xavier Henry, who’s having a much better second half. He faked a pass to the outside to bait a defender, then drove to the lane before shoveling to Marcus Morris for a layup inside. Xavier’s done a better job of looking to his teammates since his first-half benching.

Keaton Belcher gets Belmont’s first points of the second half at the 14:50 mark, dropping in a lay-in after grabbing an offensive rebound.

Marcus Morris answers a few seconds later, putting in a long jumpshot.

Tyrel Reed has a lazy pass stolen, but he stands strong on the defensive end, forcing a layup miss and clearing away the rebound.

It leads to numbers for KU, and Taylor scoops to a cutting Robinson for a layup with a foul. Robinson misses the free throw, though.

Jeff Withey checks in to a standing ovation at the 12:02 mark. It takes him five seconds to grab his first defensive rebound.

KU 44/Belmont 26 — 15:45 left in game

Xavier Henry’s defender falls down, and the freshman takes advantage, taking a few dribbles into the lane before knocking down a short jumper. The Jayhawks extend their run to 8-0 to start this half.

KU 42/Belmont 26 — 16:37 left in game

Taylor draws two players before dishing to Aldrich, who finishes with a hard slam.

Taylor pushes a pass intended for Collins out of bounds, but he makes up for it on the next possession, pulling up and draining a 17-footer.

Belmont calls timeout following a 6-0 KU run to start the half.

KU scoring — Aldrich 7 (2-for-2 shooting, nine rebounds, five blocks), Marcus Morris 6 (3-for-4 shooting), Collins 5, Taylor 4, X. Henry 3 (1-for-6 shooting), Morningstar 3, Robinson 3, Reed 3, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 13-for-28 from the floor (46.4 percent), 4-for-10 from three (40 percent) and 6-for-9 from the free-throw line (66.7 percent).

Belmont was 10-for-33 from the floor (30.3 percent), 5-for-12 from three (41.7 percent), and 1-for-3 from the free-throw line (33.3 percent).

Belmont had 20 rebounds to KU’s 19. Belmont had 11 turnovers to KU’s seven.

KU had eight first-half blocks, while Belmont had one.

Here’s an interesting stat: Xavier Henry, Markieff Morris and Brady Morningstar combined to go 3-for-15 in the first half. The rest of the team combined to go 10-for-13.

KU 36/Belmont 26 — Halftime

Robinson gets beat inside, and Jordan Campbell puts in a two while drawing a foul.

On the other end, Markieff Morris once again finds the soft spot in the zone, but he hurls a wild, 18-foot shot that only hits the backboard.

Xavier Henry drives to find a teammate, pitching to Tyrel Reed for an open three that swishes. That’s the best play of the night so far for KU’s talented freshman.

Aldrich with another defensive rebound, and it leads to a fast break for KU. Marcus Morris corrals a long pass from Collins, then lays it off the glass for two.

Collins misses a stepback three before the buzzer, and KU takes a 10-point lead into the break.

KU 29/Belmont 21 — 3:42 left in 1st half

Tyshawn Taylor just earned himself some bench time.

Out of the timeout, KU had just four players on the court. Collins, while getting double-teamed, motioned toward the KU bench to Taylor, who immediately sprinted off the bench and into the game. Taylor managed a nice pass inside to Aldrich (who was fouled) before getting the call back to the sideline.

Hedgepeth drains a three over Aldrich, and that’s a tough matchup for KU’s big man on the perimeter. Hedgepeth was just 0-for-1 from three coming into this game.

Collins drives before finding Morningstar on the perimeter for an open three that falls through.

Morningstar gets caught up on a screen, and that’s something you don’t see often. Ian Clark hits the open three, and KU’s lead is down to four.

Markieff Morris fights for good position on the post, and he puts in a layup. The next possession, Markieff finds a soft spot in Belmont’s zone, then feeds Robinson underneath the basket for a slam.

KU 21/Belmont 15 — 7:50 left in 1st half

Marcus Morris gets beat on a backdoor cut, and Keaton Belcher throws in a two-handed slam. The crowd — which has been pretty dead tonight — tries to make some noise to get the Jayhawks going.

Aldrich checks in and immediately makes his presence felt, gathering an offensive rebound before getting fouled on the way back up. He makes both freebies.

Collins fails to fight through a screen defensively, and Ian Clark knocks down a wide-, wide-open three from the corner.

Another three, another miss for Xavier. He’s on pace for 20 shots but only five makes.

A turnover for Xavier, and Jordan Campbell turns it into a three in transition. Timeout Self, as Belmont has turned an 11-0 deficit into a 15-14 lead.

KU goes back to what works, as Aldrich drops in a short shot in the lane. The big man also swats away another block on the defensive end.

The Jayhawks run in transition, and Morningstar draws attention on a drive before pitching out to Collins for an open three that swishes through.

Aldrich could be on the verge of another triple-double tonight. He has four points, seven rebounds and five blocks right now, and we still have nearly eight minutes to go in the half.

KU 12/Belmont 7 — 11:43 left in 1st half

Thomas Robinson checks in, and he gets fouled after gathering in an offensive rebound. He makes one of two free-throw attempts, which actually helps his season average (42.9 percent coming in).

After getting double-teamed, Robinson drops a nice bounce pass to a cutting Markieff Morris, but the big man can’t get the layup to go down.

KU goes to a small lineup with Tyrel Reed and Brady Morningstar on the floor at the same time, but the two guards don’t take care of their rebounding responsibilities. Jon House gets a weakside rebound and puts in a layup, and a furious Self motions for timeout.

Xavier Henry checks in, but he’s been out of it offensively. He’s hoisting up three-pointers every time he sees the rim, and this guarded trey comes up well short. Xavier is just 1-for-4 to start this game.

KU 11/Belmont 3 — 14:30 left in 1st half

KU tries an alley-oop on its first possession, but a pass from Sherron Collins goes through the hands of Tyshawn Taylor. Collins shoots it himself on the next possession, canning a three.

Already, Cole Aldrich is causing problems for Belmont inside. Aldrich steps up to stop penetration, and his presence in the lane forces a Belmont player to make his pass a bit quicker. The throw ends up sailing out of bounds. The next possession, Aldrich registers a block, and he also pulls down two consecutive defensive rebounds.

Belmont tries a sagging 2-3 zone, and Xavier Henry shoots over the top of it, draining a three from the left side.

Already, the mismatch in this game has been exposed. Aldrich comes down for a vicious block on Mick Hedgepeth, and that’s not the only time, as he adds two more swats inside. In the Cram Session on the left, I predicted five blocks for Aldrich. In the first five minutes of this one, he already has four.

Marcus Morris wiggles free for a layup, then on the next possession drives for a slam, and Belmont calls timeout immediately in an 11-0 hole.

Drew Hanlen finally hits a three from the corner to break the Bruins’ drought. They had started the game 0-for-9.

8:07 p.m.

Tyshawn Taylor was introduced in the starting lineup as from Hoboken, N.J. instead of Jersey City, N.J. Not sure why his hometown changed in the starting lineup, but I'm sure we might hear why after the game.

7:48 p.m.

Here are some notes about Belmont, which enters today's game with a 7-4 record.

Six-foot-9 center Mick Hedgepeth leads Belmont in scoring (13.0 points per game) and rebounding (5.5 rebounds per game). Interestingly, he averages 13 points despite averaging fewer than seven field-goal attempts per game. He's also shooting an unheard-of 66 percent from the field this season.

Three of Belmont's top scorers are 6-foot-9 or taller.

The Bruins are a good shooting team. They have made 35 percent of their three-pointers and an impressive 56 percent of their two-pointers this season.

Keep an ear out for the whistles, as Belmont usually gets to the free-throw line often. The Bruins average more than 25 free-throw attempts per game.

• Belmont averages 16.3 turnovers per game. Because of the high turnover total (and because of less-than-stellar rebounding), the Bruins have averaged seven fewer field-goal attempts than their opponents in games this year.

6:22 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Allen Fieldhouse where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Belmont Bruins.

One impressive statistic that not many people are talking about with this year's KU basketball team is its decreased turnovers.

So far this season, KU's turnover percentage (percentage of possessions in which it commits turnovers) is 17.6 percent. Not only is that 34th nationally according to KenPom.com, that's by far the lowest percentage put up by a Bill Self-coached KU squad.

Let's take a look. With help from Excel, I made up a line graph on the left side of this page showing KU's turnover percentages (in blue) from the Self era. Just for fun, I included KU's opponents' turnover percentages each year (in red).

See a larger version of the line graph

After looking at the graph, one thing stood out most to me.

If you look, KU has only had two seasons under Self when it has kept its turnover percentage under 20 percent. One of those instances is this year.

The other is 2007-08 — which also was the national championship season.

Of course, KU's schedule will get more difficult this season, and the turnover percentage is sure to rise a bit as the Jayhawks face tougher defenses.

Still, it can't be a bad sign for KU fans to see that this year's team is following the same route to offensive success as the national title team two years ago.

Be sure to vote in our poll on the left and to use #kubball with your tweets to get them to appear on the left side of this blog.

And http://justin.tv/sremlahc10, password: phog is the answer a few of you are desiring.

Comments

Joe Joseph 4 years, 8 months ago

Not really scared about this one.

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Ed Fox 4 years, 8 months ago

It's interesting that KUSports is condoning and advertising copyright infringement. Not that I particularly care, but still...

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Scott Smetana 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for posting a link on justintv or whereever.
Fun poll above... hard to chose for me between Wayne, Nick and Mario. Gave it to Mario due to 'the shot'.

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Jesse Newell 4 years, 8 months ago

Banner — We get at least five people asking about it per game, and it's not information that I think is kept particularly secretive. That's why I put it.

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diehardjhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

jesse - i appreciate the justintv link...i have class on tues nights so i'm a loyal viewer to that link

I think TRob might get a double-double tonight....he has made a point to HCBS that he wants more PT

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Ed Fox 4 years, 8 months ago

Like I said, I don't particularly mind, and I know it's appreciated, just thought it was funny and that the LJW might look differently if it were its copyright at issue. And it's at least possible that putting it in the blog could end up getting it shut down if someone relevant reads that part.

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suttonku 4 years, 8 months ago

Belmont will chuck 3a the entire game tonight so it should be a good test for our perimeter defense...It will be nice for our bigs to play against other bigs that are their go to guys...Time to step up the intensity tonight. Look for a tough tough defensive effort tonight from KU.

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RokChlk 4 years, 8 months ago

What is the Justin.tv link???

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diehardjhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

rok - last paragraph of newell post

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RokChlk 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks diehard maybe I should read before I ask... RCJH!!!

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Matt Bowers 4 years, 8 months ago

where is the link? I can't find it on justin.tv

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

Aldrich is a lean, mean blocking machine!!!!!!

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RedRed 4 years, 8 months ago

11 - 0 start and KU wasn't very crisp !! Cole is protecting the hoop !!

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Billy Derringer 4 years, 8 months ago

i cant find the link on jtv any help would be nice thank you

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Jesse Newell 4 years, 8 months ago

Banner — See why I post the link now?

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jayhawkboogeyman 4 years, 8 months ago

I really don't know what to say, except my god we look bad so far.

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

boogeyman--

And we have Temple on the road, coming up---YIKES!!!!!

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jayhawkjoe98 4 years, 8 months ago

This team continues to suffer from the big head it was handed by pollsters and pundits. This team needs to take it off cruise control and play each minute of every game like it is the Final Four.

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

C'mon Cole - triple double time!!!

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babyjay1 4 years, 8 months ago

Can anyone say "B" team .... Bucknell, Bradley,,,

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

I think TT still thinks he is on the plane from Jersey. His head is definitely not in the game!!!!

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jayhawkjoe98 4 years, 8 months ago

Still no signs of Elijah Johnson... Sad.

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RedRed 4 years, 8 months ago

Was that a brick by TRob ??

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

Do you think that HCBS will rip into them at half-time? Please BS -- do not poke a player's chest or send someone to the equipment room and lock the door!!!!

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RockChalkChiefs 4 years, 8 months ago

JustinTv is showing Texas Tech when I go through it. Is there a direct link to the KU game... SOON? I've missed the entire first half already looking for it.... PLEASE

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kansasbasketball 4 years, 8 months ago

i hope bill self rips into this team!! that 1st half was horrible!!! except for cole's 5 blocks! were is the atmosphere at in the fieldhouse? it don't sound like it normally does

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

Obviously, these guys haven't been heeding Jaybate's Get Better Week :)

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RedRed 4 years, 8 months ago

RockChalkChiefs --- -

Here is the Link that Jesse posted !!

http://justin.tv/sremlahc10 Password ==> phog

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RockChalkChiefs 4 years, 8 months ago

THANK YOU. Will this work for any Kansas game?

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Jesse Newell 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm going to stop putting the link if no one reads it anyway:)

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beebe1 4 years, 8 months ago

the link and password didn't work for me, but I am posting in OH. No connection to Laser for me either. Very disappointing; Have the article. Don't seem to be playing well. KY did pretty well tonight. Maybe the jolidays have them downQ

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jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

jaybate news service (jns):

Dateline: Lawrence, KS

Slug: Bulletin--

Self Places Emergency Rush Order for 15 Hustler and/or Dixon ZTRs with 48 inch decks to be delivered to Allen Field House Locker Room for half time against Belmont. Players reportedly already laying face down naked on floor in preparation for being grass. Hustler and Dixon representatives scrambling to deliver. Developing...

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

The coach for Belmont pulled a "Roy Williams." He subbed five players into the game!

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beebe1 4 years, 8 months ago

The only link for me is ESPNU. Nothing else carries it that I can tell. As poor as they are playing, maybe it doesn't matter! And ESPNU isn't on my cable.

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

The announcers suck, too! I want Bob Knight and Brent Musburger back, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kansasbasketball 4 years, 8 months ago

jeff whitey is getting ready to come into the game!!

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

OMG Jaybate your boy is in !

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Theutus 4 years, 8 months ago

How did EJ get that to drop.... That kid has some insane body control.

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

The rout is on!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know why we take sooooooo long to get it going. Temple will be a low-possession game and it will be a lot tougher.

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jayhawkboogeyman 4 years, 8 months ago

The team is so much better with Elijah on the floor than Morningstar, there is no comparison. He creates baskets on offense and starts the transition on defense. I really hope this game helps him steal more minutes.

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

CJ looked good off the bench again tonight. KU wins by 30 but did they really play well, up to HCBS standards?

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TheTruth08 4 years, 8 months ago

Every time I see Elijah and CJ make a great play I get mad.

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Billy Derringer 4 years, 8 months ago

EJ and C.J. look good i dont know why hcbs is on bradys nuts so much i wish he would play the guys with the up side not the one that has top out his celling/

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Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

drgnslayr--

Very good point about playing junior high teams on our schedule. Point well taken! We have Cornell at home--don't know if Cornell is another "junior high team" but the rest of the schedule will be challenging (hopefully). I am anxious to see if our depth will play a major role in upcoming games, especially the road games. RCJH!

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David Leathers 4 years, 8 months ago

Belmont is not a junior high team.. they are a team that has made the NCAA tourny numerous times.

Anyhow, How about Withey's first points as a Jayhawk being a dunk???

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David Leathers 4 years, 8 months ago

BTW, we will lose one game this year, maybe two. Temple will most likely win this game, but we will learn from that and whoop some a** against Tenn. Texas may get us once, but will lose to us in the Big XII tournament.

'10 National Champs!!

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NH_JHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

The Truth08:

At least you're consistent with your opinion on Brady and I respect you for that even though I still don't agree with you. I hope that by the end of the year you come to appreciate what Morningstar brings to the team....lock down D, good decision making/ball handling, decent shooting (I know this is your biggest gripe with him), and so far an excellent assist to turnover ratio on the season (only 3 games so far I know) in meaningful minutes....not garbage minutes. I guess I still have a hard time understanding why HCBS trusts BM and you (and other posters like derringer29) dont. Don't get me wrong, I love EJ and CJ and I know they will be invaluable in time, but I just don't get why everyone (still) has a hard time with Morningstar.

All in all....we played poorly tonight and definitely down to the level of the competition. That ain't gonna cut it vs. Temple, Tenn, B12.

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Jeff Kilgore 4 years, 8 months ago

mikendal,

challenging? We try to schedule good non-cons. but after that, we play MU/CU/ISU/NU a total of eight games. That's bad year in, year out. KSU is the only north team that should challenge us at all. And by the looks of tonight, they will.

Who wouldn't like to see MU (and ISU) out, and bring in OU to the north. That's a statement, not a question. Then, add Arkansas to the north and fill the remaining spot with Texas Christian? Lots more fun there.

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jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

jaybate news service (jns):

Dateline: Lawrence, KS

Slug: Bulletin--update--

Hustler and Dixon delivery trucks arrived seven minutes into half time. ZTRs were rushed off the trucks and into the locker room. Locker room doors were closed and locked immediately. Cursing and mowing sounds reportedly emanated from the locker room moments later and persisted until two minutes before the team took the floor and demolished Belmont the second half by 30!!!!

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 8 months ago

jnewell -

This is getting to be a joke.

By now, you would think that anybody with any interest in finding the game would actually read your "Newell Post Live" since you've been generous enough to provide the link for most of the games this season.

You could apparently write anything within your paragraphs and get away with it. Can your text be "removed by suggestion" or are you exempt? Go for it sometime. Just go off on one of the posters. Nobody will mind. Hell, use me as your target, I won't mind! Or, jaybate - he makes himself a target anyway!

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Chad Hallack 4 years, 8 months ago

Boogeyman-

EJ is certainly gifted physically and will be a force on this team in the weeks, months and years to come, but right now Morningstar is the guy HCBS wants in there and here's why... He's arguable the best defender on the team, commits very few turnovers, shoots the ball well, always looks to feed the post and he has experience. EJ is certainly a huge part of the future but we're in the here and now. And right now, playing the guy who will eventually be the better player is running a distant second to the guy who is the more complete and experienced player.

I think we'll see more minutes for EJ as the season rolls along and he continues to develop. I think it's also possible that he's been nursing a bit of an injury he sustained early in a game a couple weeks ago, it's not coming to me at the moment.

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SCHNBALL 4 years, 8 months ago

slayer, only two things will keep you from playing down to the competition 1.a leader 2.maturity This team is still young and still looking for a true leader. So much talent to go around and so few minutes. What has surprised is Self's patience on breakdowns on defense. A few years back, I could remember him replacing up to 4 players at a time. We you see Ej and Cj come in and play the way they do, it makes you wonder how good this team could be, but they seem to lack that killer instinct. Very anxious to watch the next 2 games. I think we are very slow defensively at with Sherron and X. They had a full page article about the Hawks in a local newspaper in KY, quoting KU assistant coaches as saying that KU has not shown everything on both offense and defense, this next month will be interesting to watch.

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chickensandwich 4 years, 8 months ago

Petition to put Elijah Johnson at the sixth man.

This team has slumped since his minutes have decreased. He creates, and adds another dimension to our offense. It creates mismatches and leads to more scoring overall. Brady does not do this. He plays his role, and waits, which has proven to show a sluggish offense.

Elijah is ready defensively as well.

Starters: Collins Xa Tyshawn (step your game up Tyshawn, seriously) Marcus Cole

Off the bench in order: EJ Kief T-Rob Tyrell Brady CJ Withey

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kennethst 4 years, 8 months ago

It's funny how upset some of you get....and we win by 30!!!

Did you ever stop and think that maybe it's not that we are playing poorly......but that these other teams are talented....and they actually come in to Allen Field House with a game plan???

Does the score need to 101-0 every game before you will be satisfied?

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bballdiehard 4 years, 8 months ago

Jesse, don't stop putting the link in there, just because some people don't bother to read and find it there. Those of us that do read your writing, and do see your link, simply go and use the link, and are quite grateful that you've put it there, but don't necessarily post that we've done so.

To anyone else, is it just me, or is CJ much much better when coming in at the end of the game. There's been a few games where Self has put him in earlier, and he doesn't seem to really do a whole lot. Throw him in at the end of the game though, and he's an instantaneous scoring machine.

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Priest Fontaine 4 years, 8 months ago

kennethst,

did you not hear self himself speak about the game? he was totally disappointed with our play. winning by 30 has nothing to do with it. I will agree that people need to give belmont credit and that they did come ready to play. but even still, KU played a horrible game and they really need to kick it into gear. I think most of us are unsatisfied with that 30 point victory against Belmont because we know our level of play and toughness would not be good enough to beat a lot of other teams that we will face very soon. I was glad to finally see Withey out there. I really hope to see big things from him.

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

NH - I've read your post several times because I think you're talking to me, too. But, it's all good.

For whatever reason, I can't seem to see Brady in the same light as many others do - particularly HCBS. On the surface, his stats are solid, but let's look closer:

Obviously, he doesn't score much, but apparently he's not being asked to score. So, I can give him a pass for averaging 4 points a game on 22 minutes.

He has a really good assist to turnover ratio. I'd argue that he handles the ball very little in high risk, transition moments and is asked to mainly "feed the post". So, I'd assume if his job is to catch the ball on the wing and lob it into the post, you should have a fantastic A/TO ratio. He is effective at getting the ball inside whenever he's facing a team that doesn't get up in his face on the perimeter.

He does a reasonable job of breaking down the defense with penetration when we see a zone, but he's not Keith Langford. I'm not sure he's even Sherron or EJ in this regard, but he's an asset against a zone. Unfortunately, against a strong in-your-face man defense, I don't see someone who can create any offense for himself or much offense for someone else.

He doesn't rebound at all. CJ and Chase rebound more per game. Enough said.

Everyone seems to think he's the next coming of Gary Payton on defense, but I see someone who does a very good job of denial defense who doesn't offer any help on the off-side and still gets beat on the dribble too often. I think he's only average in dealing/recovering from a ball screen on the wing or at the top which puts our other players (particularly our bigs) in difficult rotations. I don't feel that he get's 70% of the 50/50 hustle balls that Bill likes to see. He doesn't offer Mario Chalmers type steals at 1.0/game. Apparently, he's the best defender we have on the wing because eveyone says so. But, he's no where near B-Rush and not a premier defender by any measure.

To summarize, I'm not arguing for EJ to play more or for Brady's head. I believe and trust in Coach to play the guys who give us the best chance to win. Lord, knows, it's easy to type away on a keyboard in the middle of the night when you're not sleeping well so I don't pretend to know what's best. But when asked the question, "why does everyone have a hard time with Morningstar", I think these are some of the things that people might be seeing with Brady that leave questions.

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

Check that: "CJ and Connor rebound more per game" not Chase. Sorry.

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jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

jnewell,

Use memhawk as an example. Use him. Use him. Use HIM!!!! He calls attention to himself all the time!

:-)

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate -

You: Pot!

Me : Kettle Black!

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NH_JHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Melrank -

This is the first time I've read comments from you offering your opinions on Brady, so I didn't realize I was "talking to you, too" lol. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to watch last night's game so I can't make any accurate assessments of Brady's performance last night other than his stats line.

I do find it interesting that half of Jayhawk Nation seems to be ok with Brady's minutes and the other half not so much. You and other posters have pointed out a lot of the same perceived weakness in Brady's game and I don't disagree with some of that. Here is what I see:

Ball handling: I agree with you 100% that he's definitely not a threat to drive the lane/take it to the rim like Sherron or TT. However, I'm not sure why you're comparing Brady to Keith Langford. KL was one of the greatest slashers to ever play for KU and you're comparison seems to be an attempt to exaggerate Brady's deficiencies in driving the ball. Perhaps this comparison is a bit out of context for this discussion since Brady has never been labeled a slasher like Keith was. EJ is very young but has shown flashes of brilliance here and yes, I think EJ's ceiling is higher than Brady's for ball handling. I'm not yet sold on CJ given his propensity to be sloppy and turn the ball over.

Decision making: Probably one of the best on the team hence his low turnover ratio.

Shooting: With the balance of scoring on this team, Brady doesn't really need to create offense. He should only be taking wide open looks (probably 3s) that develop within the natural rhythm of the offense.

Passing: HCBS said after the Michigan game he's probably our best guard who feeds the post consistently. I trust HCBS implicitly on this. Bottom line: Brady creates better angles when feeding the post making it easier for our bigs to score and also makes solid decisions when passing it inside. Again, low turnover ratio.

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NH_JHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

continued...

Defense: Why does HCBS always place Brady on the opponent's top scoring threat? Could this be part of the reason why he sometimes gets beat off the dribble? After all, he's guarding their best offensive player. Here's an interesting question, for every 1x Brady gets beat how many times would EJ or CJ get beat? In my estimation, Brady's D is why he plays more minutes than other guards like EJ/CJ. If you don't play solid defense, on every possession, you dont see significant minutes on a Bill Self team.

Rebounding: Brady, or any other guard for that matter, has only limited opportunities to rebound effectively unless it's a long bounce from a missed 3 that angles off the rim in his direction.

In summary, Brady is an asset to this team. HCBS thinks so too. I trust Self and hope that everyone else does too. And honestly, this is why I'm addicted to this board. It's posts like yours that foster good debate/discussions and give me an opportunity to really think about things. I respect your opinion as you bring some excellent and valid points to the table. This is how I become a better and more educated fan and this is why I love being part of Jayhawk Nation! RCJHGKU!

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David Leathers 4 years, 8 months ago

chickensandwich (anonymous) says... Petition to put Elijah Johnson at the sixth man.

This team has slumped since his minutes have decreased. He creates, and adds another dimension to our offense. It creates mismatches and leads to more scoring overall. Brady does not do this. He plays his role, and waits, which has proven to show a sluggish offense.

Elijah is ready defensively as well.

Starters: Collins Xa Tyshawn (step your game up Tyshawn, seriously)....


Please tell me you aren't serious! Tyshawn has been the only thing consistant the past five games... Do some research before you make silly comments like that. Do you really think that TT's 29/3 Assist to Turnover ratio over the last 5 games calls for a "step your game up" comment?

I think you stayed up too late and need to step your research up a little and back up what you say. Just because he isn't scoring 1,000 points a game doesn't mean he isn't playing some of the best basketball we've seen from him.

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Chad Hallack 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm reading the posts here, read the paper this morning and can't seem to quite figure it out. Did we play our best game last night... no. It wasn't our best effort, but it was good enough to be +30 against a team that has been very competitive against big name schools this year. Take duke for example, they were up 1 on them in the final minute. We were far from horrible... Mitch Holthus (sp?) was right on the money last night when he observed that when have an intensity of defense the rest falls into place. Which I've been saying for 20 years.

K-State beat a really bad 4-10 Cleveland St. team by 29 last night and the papers are blowing a month's worth of sunshine up the pussycat's ass talking about how great they are. We beat a competitve team by 30 and we played "horrible" and "have a whole lot of work to do" Give me a break! It wasn't great, but it wasn't that bad. No one has ever played terrible and beaten a Div I team by 30.

And for all the Brady haters, if Brady should be sitting on the bench, you would be the coach instead of Bill Self. You obviously don't get the dynamic of the meaning of team. We are a better team with Brady playing 20-22 min. At least for right now.

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Steve Brown 4 years, 8 months ago

Lebowski, thanks for bringing some truth to the posts blog which we all admit ismostly opinions....pls conktinue to be blunt and bring the facts...we know the movie white men can't jump and the prejudice it brings, we also know (1st hand) the fawning we all do with newcomers, and take upper classmen a bit for granted..so I thought one of reasons for the inherent soph slump it's fun to argue- about who should get the minutes.

One of the greatest issues to discuss is who should get the minutes and whjo to redshirt if we were coach....

recall Gueldner, Moody, several others that invested and were strong players in their 4th years....BM is a real talent, some see it some don't..... are we better with him, I think so, yet so what, it is what HCBS thinks and he agrees with you. so he gets the minutes.

it takes a blend of 4th year studs knowing what to do most of the time and the raw athletic newbies..blended with them.. and the raw kids do some of their 'growing' on the court.

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NH_JHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Lebowski -

Amen to that post. You nailed it perfectly.

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chickensandwich 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm not saying Brady is not a talented defender. I'm just saying EJ is better for THIS team. I believe there's a spot for Brady, when he's needed. With the talent we have on he floor, he hinders our offense. And we heave other (better) lock down defenders this year (Sherron, Tyshawn, Xavier, EJ). They have past BM in defensive prowess.

BTW, not that it matters, but I think KSU won by 39 last night (not 29). I could be wrong.

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

Lebowski

Thanks for straightening me out on the subject.

Signed, Unknowing, Retarded Jackass

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

NH - A lot of good points. Thanks for expressing your opinions in a rational, mature format. It's that kind of posting that makes people want to stay on the board discussing back and forth.

The Brady debate is fascinating. For whatever reason, his abilities are not readily appreciated by a lot of fans even when HCBS continually praises the guy. I'm hoping all of those people aren't retarded jackasses, but I'm not an expert on that subject.

Jaybate has a rather convincing post in another article on this Brady subject that is difficult to disagree with.

Bottom line - I'm going to keep on cheering for Brady and totally trust CS. Maybe I'm smart enough to learn to appreciate his talents.

RCJH

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chickensandwich 4 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, good point. Certainly my opinion is meaningless, because I'm not HCBS. I mean... it's not like he could ever make a mistake. Bradley and Bucknell were just a total fluke. So, you're right. I concede. Brady is the best ever, and I'm a ritard. There's no way players could ever pass him talent-wise, and his haircut rocks, and his apology letters are profound. I'm totally delusional when I watch each game and form my opinion based solely on performance.

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 8 months ago

I've been laying low on the BM discussion for a while.

My perception is that most people consider Brady an over-acheiver and others like Elijah as under-acheivers. The explanation being as follows. Brady is productive beyond his physical appearance and others not yet performing at their perceived physical levels. I hate to say it, but, in part this is some sort of bias based on physique that may or may not be impared judgement by those people making the comments.

Brady does what he has to do. If it's sticking to a Budinger all over the court, he does it. If it's guarding against the 3 ball, he does it, if it's taking charges, he does it. So what, you say, that's what he's supposed to do? Sure, but, his proficiency at those things is consistently more efficient with the minutes he's on the court than others. He doesn't look like she would be a threat, he's not necessarily cut or buff as some would prefer. He doesn't have too many facial expressions that would endear some folks to him. He just play ball like he's on a team, for the team. So, by that he tends to blend in and become rather vanilla or beige in style. Who cares? He could have been successful at any number of D1 schools for the past four years and been more respected than he has been at KU by a lot of fans. It's not always about the guy with the "NBA body"! Look at Kirk Hinrich, Steve Nash and a multitude of others who compete very well night in and night out. I'm not saying Brady will ever compete at that level. But, he's playing college ball and should be judged alongside other college players.

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Chad Hallack 4 years, 8 months ago

chickensandwich... sorry man, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong...

You said, and I quote...

"I'm not saying Brady is not a talented defender. I'm just saying EJ is better for THIS team. I believe there's a spot for Brady, when he's needed. With the talent we have on he floor, he hinders our offense. And we heave other (better) lock down defenders this year (Sherron, Tyshawn, Xavier, EJ). They have past BM in defensive prowess."

First of all (let's say it again until it sinks in) if EJ was better for this team right now he would be in there. You don't sit a superior player unless it's for a brief time to make a point like Izzo did with his point guard Lucas last night. So your first comment is nothing more than a sweeping generalization based on your emotions and not at all on the truth...

2 "He hinders our offense..." You are out of your mind. I posted about this two nights ago. Brady absolutely makes our offense better. He looks to get the ball to the bigs, he's over 40% from 3, he commits very few turnovers and he knows the offense inside and out. He has a point guard mentality and doesn't play point guard. Coaches die for that kind of player.

Tyshawn is the closest to BM in terms of D, but he's not better at this point... the numbers just don't support you on that.

lebowski got it right, and he had the facts to prove it, not emotional retoric...

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chickensandwich 4 years, 8 months ago

Ok. Here's the stats. EJ has played 120 minutes (total this season). Brady has played 60 minutes (total this season). So assuming what you're saying is correct and Brady is playing at least average; then DOUBLE his non-average stats (total rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, points, field goals made, three pointers made, free throws made)

Elijah Johnson is leading in EVERY SINGLE statistic, and only continues to get better.

Minutes played: EJ - 120 Brady - 60

Field Goals Made: EJ - 18 Brady - 5

Field Goal %: EJ - .563 Brady - .500

Assists: EJ - 27 Brady - 12

Rebounds: EJ - 19 Brady - 6

Steals: EJ - 7 Brady - 3

Points Scored: EJ - 46 Brady - 12

Threes made: EJ - 5 Brady - 2

Free Throws made: EJ - 6 Brady - 0

Those are the facts.

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melrank 4 years, 8 months ago

Chick

I admire your persistence!

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 8 months ago

The games that EJ played in that BM was not eligible to play in should be taken into consideration. Had they played the same minutes in the same games, the field would be level. Of course, that couldn't be possible. Chickensalad is not comparing apples to apples. If EJ put up those stats in games against say, Alcorn State, Oakland or Central Arkansas, I beleive that BM would have done equally as well at least. If Brady's stats are from the Michigan and Cal games, where the competition was stronger, it's hard to make comparisons. Jordan Juneman would have put up some good stats and minutes against some of the early opponents if he had been in the games. Would he have then been compared to BM in his few games coming off of suspension? Apples to oranges I say!

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