Kansas defeats Michigan, 75-64

  • 11 a.m., Dec. 19, 2009
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Sunday, December 20, 2009

Illness, poor play make Collins feel urge to purge

Kansas guard Sherron Collins floats in to the bucket for a layup past Michigan guard Stu Douglass during the first half, Saturday, Dec. 18, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Sherron Collins floats in to the bucket for a layup past Michigan guard Stu Douglass during the first half, Saturday, Dec. 18, 2009 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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Sherron Collins looked like a guy who’d just been punched in the gut.

“The pain ... it just goes and stops and comes and stops. When it comes, it really hurts,” Collins, Kansas University’s senior point guard, said of “a little (flu) bug” that bit him prior to the Jayhawks’ unsettling 75-64 victory over Michigan on Saturday in Allen Fieldhouse.

The play of the top-ranked Jayhawks had the 5-foot-11, 205-pounder feeling a bit nauseated as well.

Kansas built a 21-point lead (41-20), saw it dip to 11 at halftime (42-31), then remain stuck in the 11- to 15-point range the rest of the way.

“We are satisfied that we won, still are No. 1 and are undefeated,” Collins said after the Jayhawks won their first game in six tries all-time against Michigan. “(But) it’s a little bit deflating when you know you could have played better.”

Collins, who scored 19 points off 7-of-10 shooting on a day Marcus Morris erupted for a career-high 23 points, suffered six turnovers, three during an 11-1 Michigan spurt that closed the first half.

KU never regained momentum after that 31⁄2-minute lapse.

Coach Bill Self indicated he didn’t “think our guys’ body language or energy was good the second half.”

Collins wanted all the blame after a game in which fellow preseason All-American Cole Aldrich went 0-for-3 from the field and scored just five points.

“When coach came in the locker room, before he was going to get mad at anybody else (at halftime), I just stopped him and said, ‘I’ll take it. It’s on me. I’m a senior,’’’ Collins said.

“I made three (turnovers) in a row when I got out of my character a little bit. We could have cracked it open right there. We let them get back in it. As point guard, I can’t make mistakes, especially like that, three in a row.”

The Jayhawks’ struggles began when the Wolverines went to an active 1-3-1 zone defense. Collins, Morris and Xavier Henry (15 points) were the only Jayhawks able to crack the zone, combining for 32 of KU’s 33 points the second 20 minutes.

Morris, who had 10 rebounds, hit seven of 10 shots and all eight free-throw tries.

“He was open. His eyes were wide the whole game,” said junior guard Brady Morningstar, who Self said did the best job of any Jayhawk penetrating the zone and pitching.

“When we drove to the middle, Marcus was cutting to the rim, which is why he was getting some easy layups,” added Morningstar, who had two points and three assists in 22 minutes in his season debut.

Morris surpassed his previous career high of 19 points versus Oakland on Nov. 25.

“I played OK. My man got too many rebounds toward the end. I didn’t block him out enough,” the 6-8 Morris said of 6-5 Zack Novak, who had seven boards.

Of KU’s play against the 1-3-1, Morris said: “We didn’t know the wings would play that high. They were jumping a lot of crosscourt passes. I think we adjusted to it a little better the second half.”

Morris wasn’t his usual bubbly, talkative self after KU’s 10th victory against no losses. Michigan fell to 5-5.

“I think we could have played a lot better. Michigan is a good team, but we could have easily beaten Michigan by 20. It’s kind of a downer. But we just got to regroup and move on,” Morris said.

Self, who had a lot to say about his team’s Jeckyll-Hyde performance, was asked if it felt like a loss instead of a big nonconference victory.

“Not a loss,” he said, “but I’m not very happy. We were up 21 on a good team with three minutes left in the half. To only go in up 11 was very disappointing to us because we’d worked too hard to get up 21.

“The game should have been over at halftime. We played with no energy whatsoever. It was a very lackluster performance. We did not look like a basketball team out there the last 23 minutes.”

That said, “I’d be very disappointed if they (players) left here real ecstatic,” Self said. “You play to win. That’s obviously important. But to go along with that, you play to get better. We wasted an opportunity in the second half to get better.”

Self said there was plenty of blame to go around.

He didn’t fully accept Collins’ mea culpa.

“He was pretty good today until he went brain-dead,” Self said, pointing to something besides the bug that has slowed KU’s senior team leader.

“He’s in the best condition he’s ever been in, (but) he bumped his knee and got a bone bruise near the end of the exhibition season and our first game. He’s still not 100 percent where he can fire off his leg. It’s nothing structural.”

Then in focusing on the big picture with the Chicago Tribune in town chronicling the performance of the Windy City native, Self added: “He’s been great. After this semester, I think he only needs nine hours to graduate. When you really study how far he’s come ... how a kid from inner-city Chicago can come here and leave this place as possibly the winningest player in this program ... he’s a remarkable story.”

Next chapter is Tuesday against California. Tipoff is 8 p.m. in Allen Fieldhouse.


rockchalkAZ 10 years, 1 month ago

i'd love to read that chicago tribune article when i comes out. maybe the LJW could keep a lookout for it and post a link when it's published? :)

i love sherron, couldn't ask for a better leader on this team.

AsadZ 10 years, 1 month ago

I'll take the win but we got lucky today. Michigan kept missing open shots in the 2nd half. KU had no answer for their 1-3-1. In addition their body language was very bad. It appeared that they were giving up, especially Sherron and Cole, two All Americans. I hope that they take this game as a lesson and really work on their game over the break.

Jeff Schartz 10 years, 1 month ago

Sounds like people are making a bunch of excuses. Ours is the only team that makes excuses when we don't win by enough points to satisfy the critics.

kusayzone 10 years, 1 month ago

I rewatched the game and found a couple of major problems. First, when Cole works so hard to seal his man and the pass doesnt come, not even from Sherron, well Cole just stood there and watched the action. Secondly, we have enough players on the bench that can beat most teams on most nights. Pine time at this time of the year should be part of the plan. Put the motors out on the floor to get things readjusted when the ho-hums take this team.

KANSTUCKY 10 years, 1 month ago

Last year, this is a great win. I like how we have raised our standards. This was a good learning game.

KU 10 years, 1 month ago

Whew, fellas. Texas looks pretty good. Granted, UNC doesn't play a lick of defense but UT has a roster that is bigger, stronger and faster and deeper than KU. I had to laugh outloud when Dickie V commented "this up and down track meet isn't the style UNC wants to play. Roy wants to play defense." WTF?? When did Roy ever want to slow down or play any defense?? Typical Dickie V apologizing for UNC or Duke.

KU1979 10 years, 1 month ago

Vitale actually died a couple of years ago . . . they just can't get his head to stop talking.

Clydecito 10 years, 1 month ago

yep, the one eyed-Dick's time as a commentator should have ended long ago. I dvr'd the Texas game to watch later, but noticed Mr. Lame spewing about something unrelated to the game and knew right then I'll be watching it muted.

dcmander 10 years, 1 month ago

lol KU, that is exactly what I was thinking when Dicky said that...I started laughing out loud. I disagree with you a little bit though; I think KUs roster is faster and quicker...but Texas' probably is stronger. That doesn't matter though if we can get pittman to foul out.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

the weirdest thing, I DVR the game too, but mysteriously, there was a vague ominous dark black spot where I think Mr Dickie V would be. It seemed to suck up all the life around it. Weird.

Ron Franklin 10 years, 1 month ago

Way to man-up Sherron. I'm glad you noticed you played out of character....but:

"Excuses are monuments of nothingness. They build bridges to nowhere. Those who use these tools of incompetence are masters of nothingness."

Good win. But you guys played like crud. You can't afford to do that anymore.

Would anybody present an argument to either side of this statement? -losing a close game is good for a team's development. even moreso than going undefeated"?????

Chris Corley 10 years, 1 month ago

Can you ask anything more from a senior leader than Sherron Collins? I hope his jersey hangs in the rafters one day.

I think Dickie V. is one of the most entertaining, colorful figures in sports broadcasting. He loves KU and always gives us good gloss.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

I don't know what everybody else thinks, but I don't think KU can win against Texas, or even NC. Maybe I'm more critical of KU than other teams, but I don't see the toughness and composure in KU that I see with some other teams. This is the same feelings I had with several other highly touted KU teams of past that failed to fulfill their destiny.

One of the things I hate is excuses. When somebody makes excuses, in their mind, they are not consciously making an effort to work much harder to correct the weaknesses as compared to how much they would have worked if everything is going as expected. Over the first course of the schedule when we played cupcakes / highly touted high school teams, our weak and inconsistent plays were because it's still early or because it's human nature to play down to your opponent's level. Now, it's illnesses and injuries. I hope that it's not going to be a habit or a trend to come.

Maybe some of these players are over-rated, but great players step it up when adversaries present themselves. These are just a few of extreme examples, but look at Jordan, Tiger, or even Tyler Hansbrough. As of this year, we are rated #1 purely because of potential. Many things would have been different, but with our current toughness and consistency (or lack thereof), we would have lost last night if we had played in Michigan.

All it's going to take is another Bradley team who can put together a moderately decent game and for KU to con't to play the way they are for KU to have a lost. Considering the talents on the team, I'd expect a bigger buffer zone between KU and many other teams, but I just don't see that.

The funny thing is, last night, one of the commentators compared KU to last years NC team. He said that they're comparable or maybe even better because at this point of the year, both this year's KU and last years NC average +30 points margin of victory. That is such a misleading comparison. At this point, NC had already played Kentsucky (which did have a 22-14 record), Notre Dame, and Michigan State). KU in one game against Alcorn had a +60 points margin of victory and mostly against very very weak opponents.

kusayzone, I completely agree with you re. Cole. This has been happening all year last year and this year so far. Cole seems to work his butt off, but no much rewards. This is the one thing that frustrates me the most about KU. Coach and the team constantly TALK about feeding the ball inside to Cole, but you never see it. That's considering HCBS himself highly touting Cole. If Self and the team think Cole is overrated, then that's a different story, but we have an All-American center on the team.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

ralster, I really don't think we beat the 1-3-1. Michigan just purely couldn't capitalize with a 5-28 from the distance. Their zone is pretty weak and coach John Beilein knows it, that's why they have the record they do and that's why coach didn't start out with that 1-3-1.

"Think how frustrated Michigan must be: did all they could, and couldnt close even to single digits". I don't think they did all they could with 5-28. They had WIDE open shots. Let me repeat, WIDE OPEN. Not even Debbie when she was doing Dallas was that wide open.

In conclusion, KU better get it together and live up to their potential quickly or it's going to be very rocky.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

10point8, he loves everybody and gives everybody a good gloss

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

Self is reaching a crucial juncture with the team. He has shortened the season to 30 games by treating the first ten as practice games. But the practice season has been full of teaching and criticism and developing and not assembly and mastery of team play at optimum performance. Self is still doing a lot of talking about getting better and no matter how positive one tries to be, when a coach is talking that way, the tone of the team in responses to games sounds very much like what we have read from players in today's stories. There is a grim resolve to get better. There is no joy and no swagger, just a lot of frustration with not being "good enough." A short period of this is necessary with an experienced team to focus it clearly on what needs to be worked on and developed. But as soon as possible Self needs turn the rest of the season into an emphasis of the positive things they are doing right each game. No team, or player, can reach a sustained high level of performance, when the criticism buzzer is being used intensely and for a larger percentage of the time than the praise bell. Knight made this clear in his recollections about the great '76 Hoosiers team and Claire Bee's sage advice to Knight to back off the negativity, and to go positive and stay positive in his teaching for the rest of the season (advice given in mid to late pre conference schedule).

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

At a certain point the coach has to begin teaching an experienced team through praise and emphasis of what gets done right, and not through criticism of what has gone wrong, or the experienced team becomes over focused on correcting mistakes and not sufficiently focused on play at the highest level it is capable of. It is locked in preparation, not in execution. But it takes a highly skilled coach to teach anything remotely complicated without criticism. Criticism is to the point. But a team is not a point. It is a dynamic of 7-9 players trying to do everything humanly possible to make the team perform the best it can. Even mediocre coaches can motivate players with praise. It's easy to rev players up. But teaching with praise is much harder than revving them up. It requires channelling a team toward what they need to learn and do based only on what they have done right so far. If you have ever tried to teach with praise, it is very tricky business in many cases. First you have to learn to see every person and situation as a glass half full, not as one that needs to be smashed and replaced with something else. Next you have to accept that with an experienced team it makes more sense to let it get incrementallly better at what it already does than with "fixing it" with new schemes. Also, with an experienced team there is a temptation to stay critical longer, because they know how to learn new tricks (fixes) and they can take a lot of criticism, because they are hardened to it. But the cost of much criticism is always a focus on getting better piece by piece, but not putting it all together and learning the habit of playing the best the team is capable of game in and game out. A coach has to make the pivot sooner with an experienced team than with an inexperienced one, or risk stunting the experienced team's deep confidence that it can perform at a high level as a team. But coaches with enormously talented teams, coaches with teams that can be taught to beat opponents so many different ways (teams like this KU team), are tempted to keep up the highly critical phase in hopes of creating just a few more dimensions of offense and defense that have to be taught from scratch critically in hopes of ending up with a team with so many weapons and strategies that it can't be beaten. This is a coaching trap. Waiting too long to commit to teaching largely with praise is a classic mistake by leaders of organizations with bountiful resources. It is an insidious trap, too, because the bounty of resources often can mask the harmful effects of critical teaching going on too long; that is, the bountiful resources can keep an organization winning even when the chances of mastering optimum team performance are being irreparably harmed from the withering, too-long on-going criticism.

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

Self no doubt already has a gauge and a time table for when to go positive with this team, i.e., when to begin teaching it through its accomplishments how it can get better, rather than through its failures. But a team is not a machine. It is a group of people. It is a complex system that emerges over the course of as season. Self will have to constantly gauge the pulse of the team, the state of it to know how closely to stay with his time line. Life would be so much more simple for Self if Xavier were seasoned, but he is not. Because of Xavier, and because of Brady's and Withey's late arrivals, Self probably has to stay critical longer than most of the other experienced hands need. It is a tight rope. If Self walks it well, he deserves coach of the decade.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

Jaybate, you make a good point. That's why coaches get pay what they do and fans get pay what they do (nothing). Coaches has to understand the dynamics and mentality and drives of the teams and have to adapt to that to get the most from the team and the individuals.

As fans, however, we can be sincere and honest (right or wrong). Collectively, fans opinions may mean something since fans make up the financial and emotional support of the team. However, individually, they're all just perceptions of a fan and nothing more.

In your post, you did comment about sustainability of a high level of performance. That is true because there will always be lapses here and there of high performing teams. However, as of this year, this team still has to put together that high/optimal performance that lasts longer than one half. We all know they possess the talent to do that. So at this point, it's not a matter of whether this team can sustain that high level, but whether and when they will put that forth.

Maybe they will peak just in time for March, but considering that this is a fairly intact team from a year ago with some very good additions, you wouldn't expect this much development. The new additions are not what slowing down the team from reaching that optimal performance level because it'd be hard press for anybody to make an argument that X or TRob or Johnson or Withey or Twins developement that does it. So you have to examine, what is it?

JHWK 10 years, 1 month ago

I usually agree with some points jaybate makes - but not today. When scheduled, did you know UCLA, Michigan and Memphis would not be this strong? If so, you should be killing in Vegas. No one did. So, no one is shortening the season. It is an unfortunate consequence, but not definitive of our ability or not to play well when necessary. We will know on the 2nd, then the 10th, then when conference starts.

Until we get resumes like HCBS, we're just backseat drivers. His formula hasn't changed, and HCBS's approach remains consistent. These are just comments after a bad game, not a window into 360 degrees of his approach.

And to say we have no swagger - did you watch the game? When we were on, and there was success on the floor, the players acted that way, and celebrated together. There is swagger when it is appropriate, and seriousness when they know they're not living up to their billing.

Yesterday's game was a loss last year and other years' previous. This year, with X and the twins, we have more than just a 2-man offense. It is difficult to know how to coach so many potential starters, I am sure - but one thing I am not - is critical of the man who was able to get this team to Lawrence, with all their depth, and agree that they might play support roles, when they have the talent to start an any number of D1 schools.

Plenty of backseat driving going on by we armchair generals, but I have faith in HCBS. Cal should be a much brighter performance after two days of learning, and Belmont will be another standard, holiday, televised scrimmage. Them many of us will be in Philly to welcome the twins home, and hopefully put a blanket on Fernandez, like we did to most of Michigan for the first 16 min.

Let's support the team and their own learning curve! KU needs to toughen up - yesteray's playing would have been a loss to either UNC or UT. But that's not who we played yesterday.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

drgnslayr. I have never been a fan of the philosophy of losing a game for the benefit of team development, but with this team, at the rate that we're developing, I would have to agree. KU needs some toughness and to play with lots of adversities. KU needs to learn to settle into THEIR game and play with composure and not play down to their competition.

Forget the national rankings. Forget how many losses or wins. Just develop the game, consistency and mentality.

As I was reading the posts from yesterday's game, I noticed some people saying KU shut down after the 21 point lead - that is ludicrous. We're finally playing a better team and a team that we have a 0-5 record against, and we shut down the second we reached a 20 point lead? Keep dreaming. It's has nothing to do with the team choosing to shut down. It was about consistency and toughness.

Kye Clark 10 years, 1 month ago

There are a few things I liked about this game, and plenty to dislike. I was glad to see X play good defense on potential all-american candidate Manny Harris, so maybe some of the Xavier-haters who constantly gripe about his defense can dial it down a notch. (And just for all of the X-haters, it wasn't just me saying he played well on defense, this was from the mouth of HCBS). It's especially encouraging to know that when his shot is a little off he doesn't let his defense suffer. It always makes me happy to see one of the Morris Twins have a great game, although as has been pointed out on these boards it always seems to be a good game by one or the other but rarely both. I love hearing things out of Marcus like "I played OK" after recording a double-double and scoring a game high 23 points. I like the leadership of Sherron. A great leader is not only someone who can drive the team to new heights, but also one who shoulders the blame in times of criticism. I like seeing Thomas Robinson getting some productive minutes. I think he's going to be a star if he stays long enough. And I was glad to see Brady return and perform effectively on defense and in penetrating the zone.

As for what was not to like...obviously the play of Cole & to a lesser extent Sherron are causes for concern. We are #1 in the country in large part due to the expectations surrounding our two pre-season all-americans. How good are we really if these two don't perform close to that level? Hopefully it is just that they are both under the weather and we will see them return to dominant form soon. And while I like Brady & Tyrel, it was disappointing to see neither CJ or EJ get a single minute. This was the most disappointing thing for me yesterday. If this is a sign of things to come it is especially discouraging for EJ. Early on he was considered by HCBS to be "a perfect redshirt candidate" but after witnessing his athleticism and shooting abilities in a pre-season game it was determined that he could help us this year. Well, we've had one close game, that against Memphis, and in that game he played 7 minutes, scored 0 points, had 1 assist and 3 turnovers. So far he hasn't helped us, or to put it another way, we obviously could have survived without him. Clearly if he was just getting minutes until Brady's return we could have redshirted him. If this is what the rest of the season holds for him, he has wasted a year of eligibility.

*For some reason this article is double posted on my, so this is the same post from the article that has 3 posts on it. Couldn't figure out why more fans didn't have anything to say about the game.

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 1 month ago

who's currently the winningest player in Kansas Basketball history? Matt Kleinmann?

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago


I suspect Bill Self, as did most, thought this year's schedule would be very, very tough before the season started. I did.

But stuff happens and things change and UCLA and Michigan turned out be be clinkers, and Memphis turned out not to have any size in the paint in the wake of Calipari's flight to Contucky.

Further, no one could have predicted Brady would be suspended for the first semester, thus leaving Self with a rookie with no backup at the 3 spot.

In turn, Coach Self has wisely chosen to make the best of the unexpectedly weak schedule, and out of the missing Brady, by treating the games largely as practice games that give Xavier a ton of experience very quickly. Xavier has gotten to carry the load offensively in several games. Self has experimented with everything from getting him used to playing within the offense at the 3, to running some ball screen sets for him on the wing, to playing him at the 2 and clearing out the side for him. He couldn't have done nearly as much of this had UCLA and Michigan and Memphis been Top Ten teams.

IMHO Self apparently made a very sensible decision. As each expected tough opponent came along and turned out to be only a so-so team to prepare for, Coach Self turned a sow's ear of competition into a silk purse of development time for Xavier.

No one needs to be ashamed of the schedule. Hofstra almost beat UConn. Memphis has done alright. Michigan had a two players that pushed Cole and Xavier on defense. Oakland and Radford will be in the tourney as low seeds.

And we better lace'em up tight for UTenn, because they are going to be a real test!

Rock Chalk!

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey, if there are any Xavier-haters, please announce yourselves by posting below immediately.

Some one is spreading a nasty, almost Missouri-like, rumor that there are Xavier-haters among us.

Xavier is one of the greatest prospects ever to come to KU and try to break through the inexperience barrier of starting as a frosh. Just ask Marcus Morris, the last guy to do it for a season, just how tough it is.

So: if anyone is a Xavier-hater, they ought to have their heads examined.

And if there are no Xavier-haters out there, then anyone claiming there are Xavier-haters probably is an Antler lurking!

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago


Dropping a couple games could certain up the anger quotient of the team.

But I really think things will come out in the wash vs. Cal and UTenn.

I'm still betting Self has not tried to assemble the motor and tune it to the max for a game yet.

If the Strip to TO ratio stays where it has been against Cal and UTenn, too, then I think we have a problem.

But I just think Self is just being a wily devil so far and working on pieces, not the whole.

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago


Good analysis. Better than mine.

My answer to your last question remains essentially this:

a) Self is responsible, because he has chosen not to try to put it all together yet;

b) he has chosen to spend the first ten games getting Xavier up to speed ASAP; and

c) KU is a seven man team (usual starters plus Kieff and Tyrel), and so too thin to apply serious defensive pressure, or really hammer the boards, or consistently take it to the rim, for fear of fouling (note: Elijah and TRob just have not been ready to play against Memphis, UCLA, or Michigan).

With Brady back, Withey at least eligible, finals over, and a week of practice to try to pull it all together, I think Self has us in a very good position to make a quantum leap in intensity and performance that surprises heck out of UTenn.

At least, these are my glass half full thoughts. :-)

melrank 10 years, 1 month ago

Last time I checked, going on "cruise control when you're up by 21" is often a byproduct of being inconsistent and mentally not tough enough. It isn't usually a conscious decision. Sorry, that basic understanding of an athlete's psyche was lost on some of our more critical board brethren.

I agree we need to be a little tougher. That has been a trademark of Bill's successful teams even before his arrival in Lawrence. I'm confident we have kids who are tough minded and will get there by the end of the year.

For those of you who have participated on this board for a few years, you might remember when we lost to K-State and Oklahoma State back in the 2008 conference schedule. The sky was falling. We all thought they were too soft to win it all. Sounds familiar. Let's not hit the panic button.

I don't think that HCBS is purposely manipulating the games to keep them close, but I think that he might be experimenting a little to see what he's got and how different groups of players perform under different situations. If during his experiments, we don't win as convincingly as we are supposed to, well, then he has an opportunity to keep the team grounded and paying attention to the teacher.

Kye Clark 10 years, 1 month ago

"Let other posters control themselves, while you control yourself."

This is a direct quote from that tool Jaybate. Maybe you should take your own advice, and not worry about what someone else is posting. You're a hypocrite and a clown. You have such a low opinion of yourself that the only small satisfaction you can gain is by trying to demean others, and the fact that you launch unprovoked attacks on a message board means you're probably a coward as well. You look at these arguments in terms of "winning" and not as a free-flow exchange of ideas and opinions. Go get a life loser. Or just do what you usually do, make up some lame story on your fictional jaybate news service. Tired and expected, but I expect nothing more from you than your usual trash. Go ahead, I'm sure a couple of these readers you claim to not be trying to impress or entertain will get a chuckle, although I suspect far more will be laughing at you than with you.

Just to clarify since there's a certain poster that is either too dense to understand the not-so-subtle nuances of the things I post, or simply waits for me to post something - anything - and attacks it. By Xavier-haters, I am referring to those who have been overly critical of his play, that even when he excels and wins back-to-back newcomer of the week awards still has nothing good to say about him (whether they think good things or not) but rather nit picks at parts of his game that are not up to their lofty standards. Those that are upset that he is in all likelihood going to eat some of Brady's minutes, a player they hold in higher regard than any other on this team.

And by your suspected definition, I would imagine there are some true Xavier-haters out there. People that soured on him during his recruiting process and are stubbornly sticking to their guns and think we would be better off without him, no matter what he does. Again, I am only guessing there are KU fans out there like this based on some of the very negative comments left on the boards during the recruiting circus. However, these were not the "Xavier-haters" I was referring to in my post.

And if you're wondering where this is coming from or going to claim that this was an unprovoked attack on you (as you have in the past), while I may have called you condescending, a tool, clown, hypocrite, and a sad, miserable little man, you lowered the bar where even I did not dare. Calling a fellow KU fan a Missouri fan (there is probably "an Antler lurking") is unconscionable. It's a reason to go.

thmdmph 10 years, 1 month ago

this is a first time i'm posting via cell from a party. so bear with any mistakes.Here's part of my thought on KU so far. of all the coaches, Self is THE one coach I could very much see intensionally manipulating his team for the end point. I remember a couple of weeks back, coach said something to the effect that we haven't seen the best plays yet and that they're reserving the best for later. I beleive that Self is baiting teams with Cole. Everbody is doubling him. Everybody else is producing. He's not pressing the issue with Cole. Teams start to lay off Cole. Then when Tenn, Texas and March come - Self release Cole and bam - the full arsenal right in time for March MadnessSelf will be remembered 15-20 years from now as a master manipulator.

kranny 10 years, 1 month ago

You have two All-Americans who have the flu bug and deep leg bruise, Morningstar is put into their first game together, they've been taking finals, and the game was at 11:00 am with an early wake-up. To me, they looked exactly like a great teamshould-they came shooting out of the gates against M2M. A goofy 1-3-1 was thrown at them and they struggled but found a way. Defensively, not bad but just good enough to throw off the other team. I wouldn't read too much into this game. The Cal game will be a good indicator possibly of how much they will be ready for Tenn. and conference play.

Sparko 10 years, 1 month ago

Finals. Now dissect something interesting, geniuses.

4jhawks4ku 10 years, 1 month ago

Three bogus fouls called on Mk Morris gave them and extra six points. Keep boxing out like always cuzz that ref just had it in for you.

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